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Scotty Leither
13-11-2020, 12:02 PM
After playing a major part in the successful Euro campaign for Scotland, and a solid start to the domestic season and getting back to full fitness with Aston Villa, his big move isn't far away, surely?

Not forgetting our massive bounty when he goes too, which I would hope might be a game changer for us spending some serious money in bringing in some proven quality players.

Gmack7
13-11-2020, 12:16 PM
Gareth southgate was praising him yesterday along with Robertson Tierney and Mctominay, he's certainly getting noticed at the top of the game own there. Keep it up SJM👍

Liam978
13-11-2020, 12:16 PM
After playing a major part in the successful Euro campaign for Scotland, and a solid start to the domestic season and getting back to full fitness with Aston Villa, his big move isn't far away, surely?

Not forgetting our massive bounty when he goes too, which I would hope might be a game changer for us spending some serious money in bringing in some proven quality players.

Not sure SJM would want to go, Villa are a massive club and I suspect he being an honourable guy would want to be part of them achieving former glory's. He would only have t listen to Des Bremner who is still very active around the club.

CMurdoch
13-11-2020, 12:25 PM
After playing a major part in the successful Euro campaign for Scotland, and a solid start to the domestic season and getting back to full fitness with Aston Villa, his big move isn't far away, surely?

Not forgetting our massive bounty when he goes too, which I would hope might be a game changer for us spending some serious money in bringing in some proven quality players.

It a real shame for both Hibs and St Mirren that we didn't get triple the money we did for John.
Hopefully the sell on clauses can make up for some of that loss.

I remember being at the Cup replay at Easter Road against Hearts and wondering at the guy. I couldn't believe how much energy he put into the game that night. Well beyond every other player on the pitch. A force of nature. I can't believe Celtic couldn't see what I could. They should have been looking to offer us whatever we wanted to get the deal done immediately before anyone else noticed. He was a no risk purchase.

I smile when people on here say we still haven't replaced John. He was and is a force of nature the likes of which we may not see at Hibs again in our lifetime.

Jones28
13-11-2020, 12:28 PM
Not sure SJM would want to go, Villa are a massive club and I suspect he being an honourable guy would want to be part of them achieving former glory's. He would only have t listen to Des Bremner who is still very active around the club.


They were. In the grand scheme of it they're like Dundee or St Mirren by modern standards.

McGinn would suit Liverpool down to the ground - or could be the lynchpin of the Man U midfield.

neil7908
13-11-2020, 12:55 PM
Not sure SJM would want to go, Villa are a massive club and I suspect he being an honourable guy would want to be part of them achieving former glory's. He would only have t listen to Des Bremner who is still very active around the club.

Yup. I'd love us to get a chunk more money for John but Villa are doing well this year and I'm not sure with the impact of COVID that clubs in England will be offering Villa the kind of sums it would take to pride him away.

Scotty Leither
13-11-2020, 12:56 PM
They were. In the grand scheme of it they're like Dundee or St Mirren by modern standards.

McGinn would suit Liverpool down to the ground - or could be the lynchpin of the Man U midfield.

Yup - he would suit Arsenal too - the charge of "soft" is often levelled at them - he'd fix that.

His performances in the recent run of international games will not have gone un-noticed.

Here's hoping his move happens by next summer at the latest.

660
13-11-2020, 12:58 PM
It a real shame for both Hibs and St Mirren that we didn't get triple the money we did for John.
Hopefully the sell on clauses can make up for some of that loss.

I remember being at the Cup replay at Easter Road against Hearts and wondering at the guy. I couldn't believe how much energy he put into the game that night. Well beyond every other player on the pitch. A force of nature. I can't believe Celtic couldn't see what I could. They should have been looking to offer us whatever we wanted to get the deal done immediately before anyone else noticed. He was a no risk purchase.

I smile when people on here say we still haven't replaced John. He was and is a force of nature the likes of which we may not see at Hibs again in our lifetime.

The fact of the matter is we will never get megabucks for our players because they aren’t proven until they do it at a higher level. The best we can hope for is healthy sell on clauses and hope that he gets to a level where he goes for ridiculous cash.

Agree re SJM though. I can’t think of many players like him. His personality alone seems to drag teams over the line.

He’s won the league cup with St Mirren, Scottish cup with Hibs, promotion with villa (scored the winner) now qualified for a major tournament with Scotland.

What makes those achievements impressive is they were all won as the underdog to a lesser or greater degree.

It’s unbelievable Celtic didn’t just give us the cash that would have got him. I remember Celtic fans telling me he was pish and not worth it. In retrospect, it was probably just arrogance because they were skooshing every trophy so thought they were the best team on the planet and couldn’t lower themselves to paying the cash to Hibs.

JeMeSouviens
13-11-2020, 01:02 PM
After playing a major part in the successful Euro campaign for Scotland, and a solid start to the domestic season and getting back to full fitness with Aston Villa, his big move isn't far away, surely?

Not forgetting our massive bounty when he goes too, which I would hope might be a game changer for us spending some serious money in bringing in some proven quality players.

He could easily have moved on from Hibs after the cup win but stuck around to get us out of the Championship. I can't see him being in any desperate rush to leave Villa, he's clearly settled in well there.

Scotty Leither
13-11-2020, 01:11 PM
He could easily have moved on from Hibs after the cup win but stuck around to get us out of the Championship. I can't see him being in any desperate rush to leave Villa, he's clearly settled in well there.

I'd agree with the first part of your statement, but i'd argue he was still developing as a player in the Championship and it was his consistency in the high-profile games with us in the SPL that got him his move, along with breaking into the international scene.

He's had one bad injury at Villa, and it's a short career. Having met him a couple of times he truly is a good lad and very humble with it, but if Villa get offered north of £35mil for him, they'll take it, and John will want to move as well.

Gmack7
13-11-2020, 01:32 PM
He wont be asking for a transfer but that doesnt stop villa getting bids which hopefully they see as to good to turn down in a year or 2

Keith_M
13-11-2020, 01:45 PM
I can't imagine SJM is in any rush to leave Villa.

He's now playing in the Premier League, the fans really like him and he seems to be quite happy there. I'd imagine he's on a very good salary already and his next contract should see that increase considerably.

HoboHarry
13-11-2020, 01:52 PM
I can't imagine SJM is in any rush to leave Villa.

He's now playing in the Premier League, the fans really like him and he seems to be quite happy there. I'd imagine he's on a very good salary already and his next contract should see that increase considerably.
The BBC gossip column was suggesting a couple of weeks back that there was another new contract in the works for SJM. Think the info was coming from Gabriel Agbonlahor IIRC.....

MWHIBBIES
13-11-2020, 02:33 PM
Yup - he would suit Arsenal too - the charge of "soft" is often levelled at them - he'd fix that.

His performances in the recent run of international games will not have gone un-noticed.

Here's hoping his move happens by next summer at the latest.

Thing Arsenal lack is creativity. Defensively they are actually quite solid (Villa defeat aside) these days. They need Grealish far more than McGinn.

The soft tag is just laziness IMO.

Man United need McGinn type far more.

hibeg
13-11-2020, 02:47 PM
Before somebody asks, because someone always does, the sell on is 15% 😂😂

Snedz
13-11-2020, 02:56 PM
Before somebody asks, because someone always does, the sell on is 15% ����

Still not too bad a pay day for us if the transfer fee was say minimum 30 million. 4.5 million into our coffers or possibly even more than that.

Class player and a top man. Legend.

Iggy Pope
13-11-2020, 05:59 PM
Absolutely battered a robust Serbian lot with that backside of his. We are privileged to have seen him in a Hibs shirt and St Mirren fans will feel the same I’m sure given how long he was at their club. A lot to be proud of about that young man.

Glory Lurker
13-11-2020, 06:06 PM
Part of the Hibs team that broke the hoodoo. Part of the Scotland team to get back in the big time. What a career already. This boy's going to be huge.

Mr. Wonderful
13-11-2020, 06:12 PM
Wherever Mcginn goes, success tends to follow

Mighty meatball

calumhibee1
13-11-2020, 06:17 PM
Would have warmed the bench at Celtic though.

LOL

calumhibee1
13-11-2020, 06:18 PM
Part of the Hibs team that broke the hoodoo. Part of the Scotland team to get back in the big time. What a career already. This boy's going to be huge.

Part of the St Mirren team that won the league cup as well.

zitelli62
13-11-2020, 06:20 PM
Villa are massive lean times last couple of years but they got a new owner last year who is putting big money into the club kept hold of there better players with big contracts and will probably buy big next couple of windows dont think SJM will be going anywhere soon he seems happy at villa.

zitelli62
13-11-2020, 06:22 PM
Part of the St Mirren team that won the league cup as well.

Cant remember who did they beat?

🤣🤣🤣

Glory Lurker
13-11-2020, 06:23 PM
Part of the St Mirren team that won the league cup as well.

I am so ashamed! I did not know that. He's got two, too! He's even more of a legend than I thought he was five minutes ago.

Lancs Harp
13-11-2020, 06:25 PM
SJM appears happy and settled at Villa who are a big club in their own right. His game is improving all the time. I dont think he will actively seek a move away from Villa Park in the near future but if those big Clubs like United, Arsenal et al coming calling with the readdies that satisfy both Villa and John he'll be off.

calumhibee1
13-11-2020, 06:27 PM
I am so ashamed! I did not know that. He's got two, too! He's even more of a legend than I thought he was five minutes ago.

And they beat Hearts to win it. it just gets better and better :greengrin

jacomo
13-11-2020, 06:29 PM
Not sure SJM would want to go, Villa are a massive club and I suspect he being an honourable guy would want to be part of them achieving former glory's. He would only have t listen to Des Bremner who is still very active around the club.


Yep, he’s already signed an improved deal at Villa and he might get offered another. That sell on clause may never be activated.

Northernhibee
13-11-2020, 08:05 PM
A proper honour to have seen him in the green and white - could genuinely go on to have been one of the best players to have ever played for us. I get the feeling that whatever level he plays at he'll have something to offer to some level.

Smartie
13-11-2020, 08:36 PM
I still don't really know how we managed to get him to come to Hibs.

I mean - obviously it worked out very well for him as well as us, but his quality was obvious from day one.

Why was he leaving St Mirren to drop down to the Championship? Did he just need a bigger stage at Hibs and did he progress THAT much when he was with us?

I realise there was the whole "spear" incident but it all just seems strange that he didn't go to a much bigger club than us upon leaving St Mirren.

Do the likes of McLean and McGinn do better using us and Aberdeen as a stepping stone when compared to Mallan, who went to Barnsley and didn't make as much of an impact (setting aside the fact that McLean and McGinn are better players than Mallan imo).

Juniper Greens
13-11-2020, 08:48 PM
I still don't really know how we managed to get him to come to Hibs.

I mean - obviously it worked out very well for him as well as us, but his quality was obvious from day one.

Why was he leaving St Mirren to drop down to the Championship? Did he just need a bigger stage at Hibs and did he progress THAT much when he was with us?

I realise there was the whole "spear" incident but it all just seems strange that he didn't go to a much bigger club than us upon leaving St Mirren.

Do the likes of McLean and McGinn do better using us and Aberdeen as a stepping stone when compared to Mallan, who went to Barnsley and didn't make as much of an impact (setting aside the fact that McLean and McGinn are better players than Mallan imo).

I think this is key. Scottish football is talked down unfairly in my opinion. Hibs Aberdeen etc are a better option that lower championship clubs, where the objective is to avoid relegation at all costs. Much more chance to develop at somewhere like Hibs, with likely better footballing players around you.
Look at Gallagher keeping Mitrovic in his pocket last night for instance. God knows what Mitrovic will be on at Fulham.
The converse can be true though. Dykes looks a different player since he went down south

The 90+2
13-11-2020, 08:48 PM
I still don't really know how we managed to get him to come to Hibs.

I mean - obviously it worked out very well for him as well as us, but his quality was obvious from day one.

Why was he leaving St Mirren to drop down to the Championship? Did he just need a bigger stage at Hibs and did he progress THAT much when he was with us?

I realise there was the whole "spear" incident but it all just seems strange that he didn't go to a much bigger club than us upon leaving St Mirren.

Do the likes of McLean and McGinn do better using us and Aberdeen as a stepping stone when compared to Mallan, who went to Barnsley and didn't make as much of an impact (setting aside the fact that McLean and McGinn are better players than Mallan imo).

Wasn’t he meant to go and sign for a mls side but then chose us instead? Perfect move for both.

Eyrie
13-11-2020, 09:38 PM
Yep, he’s already signed an improved deal at Villa and he might get offered another. That sell on clause may never be activated.

Which is why I've said before that a clause paying extra for appearances (to be deducted from any later sell on) is a good idea.

zitelli62
13-11-2020, 09:58 PM
Which is why I've said before that a clause paying extra for appearances (to be deducted from any later sell on) is a good idea.
How do we know we dont have that?

The Spaceman
13-11-2020, 10:03 PM
My all-time favourite Hibs player. His career has matched my hopes for him and more. If he retired tomorrow he would have an incredible highlight reel, but he has loads ahead of him still.

Stonewall
13-11-2020, 10:13 PM
Gareth southgate was praising him yesterday along with Robertson Tierney and Mctominay, he's certainly getting noticed at the top of the game own there. Keep it up SJM👍

So Southgate was praising the guys he’d heard of. There were others equally deserving of praise IMO.

The 90+2
13-11-2020, 10:20 PM
So Southgate was praising the guys he’d heard of. There were others equally deserving of praise IMO.

The point, I think is that Southgate was asked about Scotland as national manager of England and the first player he mentioned was McGinn. That could obviously be a Villa thing but he’s one of two players who would walk right into the England side and the other is a champions league EPL winner.

Carheenlea
13-11-2020, 10:33 PM
SJM appears happy and settled at Villa who are a big club in their own right. His game is improving all the time. I dont think he will actively seek a move away from Villa Park in the near future but if those big Clubs like United, Arsenal et al coming calling with the readdies that satisfy both Villa and John he'll be off.

He seems to happily settle into every club he’s been at so far. Must be a managers dream and also the fans hold him in the highest regard at his clubs to date. His career is continuing in an upward trajectory and I’m looki g forward to seeing him perform at the Euros next year.

NAE NOOKIE
14-11-2020, 02:09 AM
Every season there seems to be something new to add when it comes to SJM:

League cup winner .... St Mirren
Scottish cup winner ... Hibs
Scottish championship winner ... Hibs
EFL playoff final winner ... Aston Villa ... scored the winner
And now an integral part of the first Scotland team to qualify for anything in 20 odd years.

Got a few fans awards and football writers awards as well.

The only reason I could see him leaving Aston Villa is to win more trophies, which is unlikely at Villa Park. If the likes of Man Utd or Liverpool were to come calling I doubt he would be able to resist, imagine sticking an FA cup or EPL title onto that resume, or even a European trophy. Because of the type of player he is I can't see him being a force at the very top level past his early 30s so he has around 6 years to make an even bigger impression than he already has.

Then he can come back to Hibs :greengrin

HoboHarry
14-11-2020, 03:40 AM
Every season there seems to be something new to add when it comes to SJM:

League cup winner .... St Mirren
Scottish cup winner ... Hibs
Scottish championship winner ... Hibs
EFL playoff final winner ... Aston Villa ... scored the winner
And now an integral part of the first Scotland team to qualify for anything in 20 odd years.

Got a few fans awards and football writers awards as well.

The only reason I could see him leaving Aston Villa is to win more trophies, which is unlikely at Villa Park. If the likes of Man Utd or Liverpool were to come calling I doubt he would be able to resist, imagine sticking an FA cup or EPL title onto that resume, or even a European trophy. Because of the type of player he is I can't see him being a force at the very top level past his early 30s so he has around 6 years to make an even bigger impression than he already has.

Then he can come back to Hibs :greengrin

Excellent post, gaun yersel you. And SJM obviously.....😁

scoopyboy
14-11-2020, 06:41 AM
He is my favourite Hibs player in over 50 years of watching us, I don't think that will change now.

Apart from being a class player he is a great person and I'm sure everybody in British football realises that.

I'm not sure about where his future lies, Villa have spent big and are doing well. They have the ability to keep improving and could easily be a top half club for years to come.

That's where our sell on fee could hit the skids. I don't think SJM will move simply because of money, in my opinion it will be to win trophies. So I don't see him moving to Everton, Leicester, Newcastle etc because Villa are every bit as likely as them.

That probably narrows it down to Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea.

I don't see him playing abroad but could be wrong on that.

My understanding is that as well as the sell on fee there are add ons regarding number of appearances. We have already picked up a promotion add on.

I would love to see us pick up a large sell on fee but as long as SJM is happy then that's good enough for me.

Mon Dieu4
14-11-2020, 06:57 AM
I love him so much that it breaks my heart when I see Villa fans calling him SJM etc, I'm like a jilted lover, he not yours he's ours :faf:

Pilrig_Sauzee
14-11-2020, 10:15 AM
Took a London-based friend to watch a night game against when Dundee Utd, when SJM came back from injury and scored soon after getting subbed on. Had been droning on about Super-J in the pub beforehand, trying to convince him tgis olayer was the real deal and if he gets on he’ll show it. Well, friend was raving about him, and the atmosphere and rightly so. What a moment. SJM made that goal from almost nothing, and it was his absolute determination that did it. The man is the reason people go to games. Watch that and you heart bursts.

matty_f
14-11-2020, 10:53 AM
Every season there seems to be something new to add when it comes to SJM:

League cup winner .... St Mirren
Scottish cup winner ... Hibs
Scottish championship winner ... Hibs
EFL playoff final winner ... Aston Villa ... scored the winner
And now an integral part of the first Scotland team to qualify for anything in 20 odd years.

Got a few fans awards and football writers awards as well.

The only reason I could see him leaving Aston Villa is to win more trophies, which is unlikely at Villa Park. If the likes of Man Utd or Liverpool were to come calling I doubt he would be able to resist, imagine sticking an FA cup or EPL title onto that resume, or even a European trophy. Because of the type of player he is I can't see him being a force at the very top level past his early 30s so he has around 6 years to make an even bigger impression than he already has.

Then he can come back to Hibs :greengrin

Put pretty much the same as that out as a tweet from the Longbangers account - SJM clearly adds something spectacular to teams.

He's some boy, like.

matty_f
14-11-2020, 10:54 AM
After playing a major part in the successful Euro campaign for Scotland, and a solid start to the domestic season and getting back to full fitness with Aston Villa, his big move isn't far away, surely?

Not forgetting our massive bounty when he goes too, which I would hope might be a game changer for us spending some serious money in bringing in some proven quality players.

Good post :agree:

The money will either offset massive Covid losses and help us survive, or if it comes in when things are back to normal could be used to seriously improve the first team.

Key West
14-11-2020, 11:20 AM
I think if John McGinn adds more goals to his already impressive CV then it is a matter of time before he reaches the next stage of his career.

Mango Man
14-11-2020, 12:15 PM
Every season there seems to be something new to add when it comes to SJM:

League cup winner .... St Mirren
Scottish cup winner ... Hibs
Scottish championship winner ... Hibs
EFL playoff final winner ... Aston Villa ... scored the winner
And now an integral part of the first Scotland team to qualify for anything in 20 odd years.

Got a few fans awards and football writers awards as well.

The only reason I could see him leaving Aston Villa is to win more trophies, which is unlikely at Villa Park. If the likes of Man Utd or Liverpool were to come calling I doubt he would be able to resist, imagine sticking an FA cup or EPL title onto that resume, or even a European trophy. Because of the type of player he is I can't see him being a force at the very top level past his early 30s so he has around 6 years to make an even bigger impression than he already has.

Then he can come back to Hibs :greengrin

And in our first season back in the Premiership, he helped us to our highest points tally, Scores in Europe for us before he left as well, the boy is a winner. My favourite ever Hibs player.

NAE NOOKIE
14-11-2020, 12:52 PM
And in our first season back in the Premiership, he helped us to our highest points tally, Scores in Europe for us before he left as well, the boy is a winner. My favourite ever Hibs player.

A winner, but not just that, a winner in teams that aren't known for winning stuff which is why I would love to see him win an FA cup or League cup with Villa. This is a guy who could retire from football with a hat full of honours all won without having kicked a ball for a so called glamour club, which in the modern era would be an achievement in itself.