Covid vaccine.

[Hibrandenburg]

If the vaccine gains the MHRA's approval and is then made available. Will you get yourself vaccinated?

Me: Yes. Even though I'm pretty sure I've had Covid already.

[AugustaHibs]

I will but chances of someone under the age of 30 getting it any time soon is slim

[CropleyWasGod]

I'd rather know what the side-effects are first.

I've had my own bad experiences of undisclosed side-effects, and so has society in general.

[danhibees1875]

I raised my initial concerns about a vaccine a few weeks ago. I was probably rightly dismissed given the levels of procedure etc that needs to take place for these things.

I'm under 30 so won't need to worry about it regardless. I've also had it, so hopefully an element of immunity in there somewhere too.

[lapsedhibee]

Perhaps not straightaway. Maybe wait for 6G.

[Sir David Gray]

Yes I will.

[Billy Whizz]

I will, think I’m in the 8th group to get it

[JeMeSouviens]

Yes.

(plus I'll be stealing some extra syringes to go and stab anti-vaxxers with :devil:)

[SHODAN]

I absolutely will if the science recommends I should.

[GlesgaeHibby]

I would, but at 33 I'm way down priority list and not sure there will be a need for those so far down the priority list to be vaccinated.

[Pretty Boy]

I doubt I'll qualify any time in the first several months of a roll out but if or when I become eligible then yes.

[JeMeSouviens]

I would, but at 33 I'm way down priority list and not sure there will be a need for those so far down the priority list to be vaccinated.

Yes, you wouldn't be a priority for immeditate protection. But if we are to have a chance at herd immunity, we'll have to go below age 33 for sure.

[Jay]

Yep I'll be at the head of whatever queue I get put into. I tried to join a vaccine trial but unsurprisingly I didnt make the grade. I think I'll be about in the middle of the categories. The more of us who qualify have it the quicker our youngsters will get back to the lives they should be living.

* the last sentence is a grammatical nightmare but I dont know how to fix it :greengrin

[Berwickhibby]

Yes...being an insulin dependent diabetic, I hope to be in the 4th group

[Jay]

Yes...being an insulin dependent diabetic, I hope to be in the 4th group

Would that not put you in group 6 or 7? Or am I looking at the wrong info online?

[Berwickhibby]

Would that not put you in group 6 or 7? Or am I looking at the wrong info online?

I have not seen any list ...said on News last night that people with underlying health issues would be after over 75s, NHS and care home, over 65s.... I may have understood it wrong

[Hibbyradge]

Perhaps not straightaway. Maybe wait for 6G.

You need to work on your resilience, that's way too soon.

I'm going to wait until Trump concedes.

[Jay]

I have not seen any list ...said on News last night that people with underlying health issues would be after over 75s, NHS and care home, over 65s.... I may have understood it wrong

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

This is what I was looking at .

[Hibbyradge]

I have not seen any list ...said on News last night that people with underlying health issues would be after over 75s, NHS and care home, over 65s.... I may have understood it wrong

This interim ranking of priorities is a combination of clinical risk stratification and an age-based approach, which should optimise both targeting and deliverability. A provisional ranking of prioritisation for persons at-risk is set out below:

older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers1
all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers

all those 75 years of age and over

all those 70 years of age and over

all those 65 years of age and over

high-risk adults under 65 years of age

moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age

all those 60 years of age and over

all those 55 years of age and over

all those 50 years of age and over
rest of the population (priority to be determined)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

[overdrive]

I'm likely to be in the rest of the population group but I'd take it when I was offered it. My parents are elderly and my girlfriend's dad is in the high-risk group, so I'd do it to keep them safe (although they will have the vaccine before me). Ideally, I'd like more information around it as I have a hearing impairment that developed shortly after getting the MMR vaccine so I'm slightly wary of vaccines. I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any means though.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32315-1/fulltext


Misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines is a serious threat not only to public health but also to national economic security—a fact made all the more urgent as a second wave of coronavirus sweeps across Europe. In their 2019 book, The Misinformation Age, Cailin O'Connor and James Owen Weatherall explain how false beliefs persist and spread. They emphasise the social character of fake news. The connections between us in groups or networks enable the propagation of misleading evidence as well as true beliefs. Models of communication show the importance of trust in shaping the spread of beliefs. The greater the distrust among those with different views, the greater the risk of permanent polarisation. We are also prey to conformity bias—a desire to agree with others and to trust the judgments of others. Our predilection to conformity makes it harder to stand against the crowd. If your network holds strong anti-vaccine views, you may find it more difficult to arrive at your own independent judgment, even if you are inclined to have confidence in a vaccine. And misinformation is made worse when there are active propagandists spreading fake news. The field of COVID-19 vaccines is full of propagandists seeking to manipulate and mislead.

I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess there are strategic benefits from building your herd immunity while destabilising other economies. :hmmm:

[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32315-1/fulltext



I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess there are strategic benefits from building your herd immunity while destabilising other economies. :hmmm:

This bit:-

Our predilection to conformity makes it harder to stand against the crowd. If your network holds strong anti-vaccine views, you may find it more difficult to arrive at your own independent judgment,

That could, equally, apply to those whose networks are pro-vaccine.

[JeMeSouviens]

This bit:-

Our predilection to conformity makes it harder to stand against the crowd. If your network holds strong anti-vaccine views, you may find it more difficult to arrive at your own independent judgment,

That could, equally, apply to those whose networks are pro-vaccine.

True. I guess the author's contention is that those pro-vax views will be founded on medical/scientific knowledge rather than fake pish on facebook?

[CropleyWasGod]

True. I guess the author's contention is that those pro-vax views will be founded on medical/scientific knowledge rather than fake pish on facebook?

Is that valid, though? Most of us don't have an appropriate level of knowledge to make that call.

(Advocate, D.)

[HH81]

I had the virus bad and was really ill. Not sure where I would be put. Would like to get it done but wouldn't want to wait until the last group.

[JeMeSouviens]

Is that valid, though? Most of us don't have an appropriate level of knowledge to make that call.

(Advocate, D.)

We don't. This is about whether you trust the UK medical establishment/scientific community to do the right thing. I think they will even under potential political pressure.

[CropleyWasGod]

We don't. This is about whether you trust the UK medical establishment/scientific community to do the right thing. I think they will even under potential political pressure.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but those words highlighted are subjective.

I'm just coming from a place of uncertainty, eg MMR, Thalidomide, Polio. IMO there needs to be clear guidance as to the expected side-effects that are known, and then constant review to identify the ones that aren't yet known.

There will be others who will be even less certain, and I wouldn't put them in the "nutter" category (again, subjective:greengrin). For many, this may be a tough call.

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but those words highlighted are subjective.

I'm just coming from a place of uncertainty, eg MMR, Thalidomide, Polio. IMO there needs to be clear guidance as to the expected side-effects that are known, and then constant review to identify the ones that aren't yet known.

There will be others who will be even less certain, and I wouldn't put them in the "nutter" category (again, subjective:greengrin). For many, this may be a tough call.

I'm with you on this. You read the leaflet that comes with any prescription you get and the list of 'possible' side effects makes you wonder if the cure is worth it.

Currently on capsules for reflux and the side effects is a bit, shall we say, windy 😉

[J-C]

I'm coming up for 62 so it makes sense to get it, haven't a clue what group I'm in. We need to get this world back to some sort of normality.

[ballengeich]

I hope that when the group I'm in is reached I'll have enough information to be confident in the jag's effectiveness and safety. Unless there are some reputable medical people expressing reservations my instinct will be to get it.

One of the characteristics of inoculations is that effectiveness decreases in older people, and the trials haven't been done in the elderly.

I believe that there will soon be several vaccines available and we'll have to choose which seems best.

[Onceinawhile]

I'll take it when it gets to my turn, if its ever necessary.

[JeMeSouviens]

I hope that when the group I'm in is reached I'll have enough information to be confident in the jag's effectiveness and safety. Unless there are some reputable medical people expressing reservations my instinct will be to get it.

One of the characteristics of inoculations is that effectiveness decreases in older people, and the trials haven't been done in the elderly.

I believe that there will soon be several vaccines available and we'll have to choose which seems best.

Not true. Typically they do small scale safety trials on heaithy youngish adults, then expand that a bit to other age groups. By the time you get to large scale phase 3 trials, it's covering the whole age range, eg.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/development-of-covid-19-vaccine-azd1222-expands-into-us-phase-iii-clinical-trial-across-all-adult-age-groups.html

[ballengeich]

Not true. Typically they do small scale safety trials on heaithy youngish adults, then expand that a bit to other age groups. By the time you get to large scale phase 3 trials, it's covering the whole age range, eg.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/development-of-covid-19-vaccine-azd1222-expands-into-us-phase-iii-clinical-trial-across-all-adult-age-groups.html
When I heard the radio news about the trials it was indicated that the study group included only the relatively young, but I accept that could have been incorrect.

[JeMeSouviens]

When I heard the radio news about the trials it was indicated that the study group included only the relatively young, but I accept that could have been incorrect.

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728


In 3 age groups (Phase 1: 18 to 55 years of age, 65 to 85 years of age; Phase 2/3: ≥12 years of age [stratified as 12-15, 16-55 or >55 years of age]).

So phase 3 is covering all ages over 12.

I suppose it might be that the early results group (94 people on the trial who have caught the virus) are mostly in younger age groups so the data doesn't tell us anything about efficacy for older people?

[calumhibee1]

True. I guess the author's contention is that those pro-vax views will be founded on medical/scientific knowledge rather than fake pish on facebook?

:agree:

I’ll get the vaccine as soon as I’m allowed to although at 30 years old with no medical conditions that’ll be a long time off.

[lapsedhibee]

:agree:

I’ll get the vaccine as soon as I’m allowed to although at 30 years old with no medical conditions that’ll be a long time off.

Not necessarily. You have Tories in your corner: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-priority-tory-party-755689

[Jim44]

I’m 73 with type 2 diabetes (well under control). That puts me in group 4 and I’ll be happy to get the vaccine ASAP.

[RyeSloan]

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728



So phase 3 is covering all ages over 12.

I suppose it might be that the early results group (94 people on the trial who have caught the virus) are mostly in younger age groups so the data doesn't tell us anything about efficacy for older people?

Would that not tell us the opposite...that if the 94 who did catch it were all in the younger group that it was highly effective for the older group?

Anyway we’ll have to await the full results before we get this level of detail.

As this vaccine is basically the first ever of its kind to be developed it will be interesting to see if this method has any benefits re age efficacy compared to more traditional vaccines.

[JeMeSouviens]

Would that not tell us the opposite...that if the 94 who did catch it were all in the younger group that it was highly effective for the older group?

Anyway we’ll have to await the full results before we get this level of detail.

As this vaccine is basically the first ever of its kind to be developed it will be interesting to see if this method has any benefits re age efficacy compared to more traditional vaccines.

Hmmm, yeah, good point.

So it would be alarm bells if the 8 from the placebo group were all oldies. As you say, we need more data.

[Sylar]

I'm currently in the last group but will of course be taking it so long as it's deemed safe and recommended by the science. As with any other vaccine.

Not sure they've got the categories for prioritisation quite right though IMO - key workers should also include police, armed forces, teachers, construction workers etc - the roles that cannot be put on the back-burner or completed from home successfully - if we're genuinely going to restart the economy in earnest when a vaccine becomes available, the vast majority of the working population shouldn't be at the back of the queue if they're in essential industries.

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm in group 7 just now but will probably be in group 5 by the time they get round to me. 😉

[hibsbollah]

I'm currently in the last group but will of course be taking it so long as it's deemed safe and recommended by the science. As with any other vaccine.

Not sure they've got the categories for prioritisation quite right though IMO - key workers should also include police, armed forces, teachers, construction workers etc - the roles that cannot be put on the back-burner or completed from home successfully - if we're genuinely going to restart the economy in earnest when a vaccine becomes available, the vast majority of the working population shouldn't be at the back of the queue if they're in essential industries.

:agree: Absolutely.

[HibsGW]

If world leaders in a highly complex topic advise that I should take a vaccine, I’ll be taking it. I’d go as far to say that anyone who says otherwise is being ridiculous. People are too keen to dismiss experts nowadays and side with conspiracy theorists.

[ballengeich]

I'm currently in the last group but will of course be taking it so long as it's deemed safe and recommended by the science. As with any other vaccine.

Not sure they've got the categories for prioritisation quite right though IMO - key workers should also include police, armed forces, teachers, construction workers etc - the roles that cannot be put on the back-burner or completed from home successfully - if we're genuinely going to restart the economy in earnest when a vaccine becomes available, the vast majority of the working population shouldn't be at the back of the queue if they're in essential industries.
As an alternative to how essential an industry is, you could argue for a strategy of reducing infection rates by giving people whose jobs involve a lot of contact with random individuals priority. Giving them immunity reduces the likelihood of spread by carriers, particularly those who are symptomless.

That would move, for example, retail and hospitality workers up the queue, perhaps ahead of construction and the armed forces who tend to move among the same people.

[lord bunberry]

I wonder if like the flu vaccine this will be available to buy. I’m 45 so I’m going to be last to get the vaccine, and as long as it wasn’t too expensive or buying it wasn’t depriving people that needed it I’d probably pay for it.

[danhibees1875]

I wonder if like the flu vaccine this will be available to buy. I’m 45 so I’m going to be last to get the vaccine, and as long as it wasn’t too expensive or buying it wasn’t depriving people that needed it I’d probably pay for it.

I guess by definition you would be depriving someone ahead of you in the queue, and therefore theoretically more needing, of the vaccine.

However, I believe there is likely to be more similar vaccines produced over time so it might end up being the case that those down the list get a shot at it earlier than they think.

[Pretty Boy]

I wonder if like the flu vaccine this will be available to buy. I’m 45 so I’m going to be last to get the vaccine, and as long as it wasn’t too expensive or buying it wasn’t depriving people that needed it I’d probably pay for it.

I think it all depends if it's something that is required as a one off or on an ongoing basis at set intervals.

I think initially it will be ring fenced for the NHS but if it becomes a part of our lives it may well be available on the NHS for eligible groups whilst also being commercially available to those who want it.

[Hibrandenburg]

Anti-Vaxers have developed an agent based on the genetic make-up of the vaccine that will activate killer cells to attack the modified virus in the vaccine when it's injected and thus reversing the effects of the government programmed mind control vaccine.

[Keith_M]

Just read an article that said Pfizer are expected to earn $13 Billion from this vaccine in 2021.

The CEO of Pfizer, under a plan for sales of his shares created in August. just sold 62% of his shares for $5.6 Million... when they hit a new peak value due to the Vaccine announcement.


It's really sad that Big Pharma appears to have made the breakthrough and are going to cash in so outrageously.

The taxpayer will, as usual, pick up the bill and poorer countries will most likely struggle to be able to afford the vaccine.

[Santa Cruz]

Yes, and if the Oxford/ AZ vaccine, expected to report interim data next week from stage 3 trials, is safe and effective it will cost a lot less and be distributed non-profit. It doesn't need to be frozen either. Here's hoping.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/oxford-vaccine-covid-coronavirus-latest-b1721276.html

[Dalianwanda]

If the vaccine gains the MHRA's approval and is then made available. Will you get yourself vaccinated?

Me: Yes. Even though I'm pretty sure I've had Covid already.

First and foremost i want to be able to choose & not be penalised if i decide against it for the moment. I’d want more research done into side effects and more clarity on the protection it will provide.

[CropleyWasGod]

First and foremost i want to be able to choose & not be penalised if i decide against it for the moment. I’d want more research done into side effects and more clarity on the protection it will provide.

:agree:

Anything other than that may be counter-productive.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Just seen a stat that said the current total for vaccine compensation is up to £4bn which is crazy, I think that may be just for the US. I know it’s a huge minority that this will effect but with the covid vaccine due to be rolled out shortly the stat jumped out at me.

[Hibs Class]

Yes, and if the Oxford/ AZ vaccine, expected to report interim data next week from stage 3 trials, is safe and effective it will cost a lot less and be distributed non-profit. It doesn't need to be frozen either. Here's hoping.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/oxford-vaccine-covid-coronavirus-latest-b1721276.html

Initial results indicate it’s around 70% effective.

[1 8 7 5]

I had the virus bad and was really ill. Not sure where I would be put. Would like to get it done but wouldn't want to wait until the last group.

Have you thought about giving blood HH81?

You may be able to help with Convalescent Plasma collection. (if you have anti-body levels high enough, your plasma could be given to people who are fighting the virus in intensive care)..