Hearts pay to beat us!!

[where'stheslope]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/how-hearts-spent-six-figure-sum-robbie-neilsons-plan-beat-hibs-3022547?r=4560
Hearts over spending again to try and beat us?
Came back early so as the players would be fit and ready to play us in the semi-final!!!

[Tully]

Who cares it won't change the result

[Steve20]

And it worked for them. Maybe if we sometimes made the extra effort, we might actually beat them more than the poor return we get from derbies.

We treat it like we treat any game. A derby shouldn't be like that.

[dalkeith stu]

I dont see the problem with it. This is why they will always pump us in big derby's!!! They want it more than anything else!!!

[B.H.F.C]

And they now have a Scottish Cup final to show for what they did. They’ll be delighted.

[The 90+2]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/how-hearts-spent-six-figure-sum-robbie-neilsons-plan-beat-hibs-3022547?r=4560
Hearts over spending again to try and beat us?
Came back early so as the players would be fit and ready to play us in the semi-final!!!

I don’t see how they over spent anything when they have the funds in place?

Plan worked, job done, and they will make the money back through pledges from their ecstatic fans.

[SHODAN]

Money well spent.

[Daydreamer]

Money well spent.


One of the biggest problems in the future is going to be the difference between FOH and HSL. It is 6 times more to Hearts as what HSL put into Hibs. That is the difference of another 5 top class players on £4k a week. I cannot believe that any Hibs supporter who can afford it has a subscription of £10 a month. Even if we could sign up another three thousand who dont need to be supporters just fans that maybe see Hibs a couple of times a season would be wonderful. If not derby wins will be few and far between in the future. £10 a month is only 33pence a day Get signed up now or you will start feeling like how you felt on Saturday night a lot more in the future

[JohnMcM]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/how-hearts-spent-six-figure-sum-robbie-neilsons-plan-beat-hibs-3022547?r=4560
Hearts over spending again to try and beat us?
Came back early so as the players would be fit and ready to play us in the semi-final!!!

It worked out well for them though.

[Lendo]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/how-hearts-spent-six-figure-sum-robbie-neilsons-plan-beat-hibs-3022547?r=4560
Hearts over spending again to try and beat us?
Came back early so as the players would be fit and ready to play us in the semi-final!!!

"Football club prepares well for upcoming match" could be the alternative headline.

[CloudSquall]

"well prepared for a derby" vs "just another game" is seeing us pumped and embarassed time and time again.

[Rumble de Thump]

They won't recoup that money even if they win it, which is highly unlikely. No fans in attendance, and no European adventure on the cards with the financial benefits that go along with it. Hearts' management overspending other people's money, so they can pretend it's a big team instead of actually running the club well, is a big part of the reason why they are third in the Championship.

[I'm Spartacus]

The headline on this thread is totally different to the actual story though eh? They ended the furlough scheme, meaning they had to actually pay wages, allowing them to train early and prepare better. We had a complete advantage over our training and game time in advance. Stop this desperation. You could easily have headed this thread "Hearts save government thousands".

We weren't good enough - end of story. Glorious chances missed with nobody to blame but ourselves.

[Rumble de Thump]

The headline on this thread is totally different to the actual story though eh? They ended the furlough scheme, meaning they had to actually pay wages, allowing them to train early and prepare better. We had a complete advantage over our training and game time in advance. Stop this desperation. You could easily have headed this thread "Hearts save government thousands".

We weren't good enough - end of story. Glorious chances missed with nobody to blame but ourselves.

Apart from the match officials?

[The 90+2]

They won't recoup that money even if they win it, which is highly unlikely. No fans in attendance, and no European adventure on the cards with the financial benefits that go along with it. Hearts' management overspending other people's money, so they can pretend it's a big team instead of actually running the club well, is a big part of the reason why they are third in the Championship.

They get money every month from their support.

[Rumble de Thump]

They get money every month from their support.

They get money from various other things that aren't relevant to what's being discussed.

[The 90+2]

They get money from various other things that aren't relevant to what's being discussed.

Of course it’s relevant. They budget for the money that comes in and used it to help beat us in the Scottish Cup Semi I wish to **** we had that mentality.

[ancient hibee]

One of the biggest problems in the future is going to be the difference between FOH and HSL. It is 6 times more to Hearts as what HSL put into Hibs. That is the difference of another 5 top class players on £4k a week. I cannot believe that any Hibs supporter who can afford it has a subscription of £10 a month. Even if we could sign up another three thousand who dont need to be supporters just fans that maybe see Hibs a couple of times a season would be wonderful. If not derby wins will be few and far between in the future. £10 a month is only 33pence a day Get signed up now or you will start feeling like how you felt on Saturday night a lot more in the future








It's worked out so well for them that they've spent £18 million of other people's money and are 3rd in the championship,play in front of an unfinished stand and share a rented training facility.

[JGS56]

One of the biggest problems in the future is going to be the difference between FOH and HSL. It is 6 times more to Hearts as what HSL put into Hibs. That is the difference of another 5 top class players on £4k a week. I cannot believe that any Hibs supporter who can afford it has a subscription of £10 a month. Even if we could sign up another three thousand who dont need to be supporters just fans that maybe see Hibs a couple of times a season would be wonderful. If not derby wins will be few and far between in the future. £10 a month is only 33pence a day Get signed up now or you will start feeling like how you felt on Saturday night a lot more in the future


I put an idea to Jon Adie 3 months ago, and he said he thought it was a good idea and would like to run with it.
Since then nothing has happened. I can only assume someone else vetoed it.

[jeffers]

One of the biggest problems in the future is going to be the difference between FOH and HSL. It is 6 times more to Hearts as what HSL put into Hibs. That is the difference of another 5 top class players on £4k a week. I cannot believe that any Hibs supporter who can afford it has a subscription of £10 a month. Even if we could sign up another three thousand who dont need to be supporters just fans that maybe see Hibs a couple of times a season would be wonderful. If not derby wins will be few and far between in the future. £10 a month is only 33pence a day Get signed up now or you will start feeling like how you felt on Saturday night a lot more in the future








How many threads are you going to post the exact same comments on ?

[jacomo]

They won't recoup that money even if they win it, which is highly unlikely. No fans in attendance, and no European adventure on the cards with the financial benefits that go along with it. Hearts' management overspending other people's money, so they can pretend it's a big team instead of actually running the club well, is a big part of the reason why they are third in the Championship.


It keeps the unthinking hordes wittering about expulsion and retribution, rather than asking questions about the mismanagement of their club, so from Budge’s point of view it was a good use of the supporters’ money.

[K-Zazu]

Worth every penny. Shows everyone just sitting about laughing at them being in the championship while they are out training playing bounce games getting ready for the biggest derby in the last 8 years

[The 90+2]

It's worked out so well for them that they've spent £18 million of other people's money and are 3rd in the championship,play in front of an unfinished stand and share a rented training facility.

Head in the sand mentality tbh.

[The 90+2]

It keeps the unthinking hordes wittering about expulsion and retribution, rather than asking questions about the mismanagement of their club, so from Budge’s point of view it was a good use of the supporters’ money.

They will also be in their second cup final in a row, beat us again at Hampden and have that sense of injustice that means their support will still plough **** loads in.

[ancient hibee]

Head in the sand mentality tbh.

No it’s not.

[G B Young]

"well prepared for a derby" vs "just another game" is seeing us pumped and embarassed time and time again.

We've lost the last couple of derbies and it seems folk suddenly reckon we lose them all the time, which simply isn't true - especially (as somebody else pointed out on another thread) in the years since Hearts came out of administration and the financial playing field became a bit more level.

In fact, I've just taken a look at the last 20 derby results and we've won 7, drawn 7 and lost six. Hardly 'getting pumped time and time again.'

[The 90+2]

No it’s not.

They aren’t in much debt, rent the sporting facility in the country and don’t lose money on it, their stadium is a dump yes and they’re in the Scottish cup final having beaten us again.

Who cares we have our own training facilities.

[AngloHibs]

They won't recoup that money even if they win it, which is highly unlikely. No fans in attendance, and no European adventure on the cards with the financial benefits that go along with it. Hearts' management overspending other people's money, so they can pretend it's a big team instead of actually running the club well, is a big part of the reason why they are third in the Championship.

I've read on KB (I'm stuck in England so I read loads of forums for news before anyone says owt) that a lot of Hearts fans are going to donate their unspent Cup Final ticket money to the club.

No idea how many will do this, but it might still be a tidy sum as it will be 100% to Hearts, no sharing with other clubs or SFA and no VAT. Even if only half of FOH members do this it might be £120K at £30 a ticket.

[Rumble de Thump]

It wasn't long ago that Hearts were trying to con their own season ticket holders out of money regarding the number of games they were supposedly going to get to see in person. Having been treated to poorly, it seems highly unlikely that many of them would gift the club more cash for another game they won't get to see in person, especially when finances are so tight for a lot of people these days.

[Daydreamer]

How many threads are you going to post the exact same comments on ?
Till as many people keep reading it and come to their senses about whats going to happen in the future. Guess it must bother you Eh,,,

[Daydreamer]

It's worked out so well for them that they've spent £18 million of other people's money and are 3rd in the championship,play in front of an unfinished stand and share a rented training facility.

Thats why I said in the future. Mark my words in a couple of seasons they will be in front of Aberdeen.

[Since452]

It worked

[Brooster]

Thats why I said in the future. Mark my words in a couple of seasons they will be in front of Aberdeen.

Have a word ffs.

[jeffers]

Till as many people keep reading it and come to their senses about whats going to happen in the future. Guess it must bother you Eh,,,

Reading the exact same comments on numerous threads, yeah it does. If you want to discuss that subject why not raise a specific thread for it ?

[ahibby]

If Hearts depend on fan contributions to pay salaries what would happen if that source dips say due to Covid. Can they still pay wages due? I dont suppose they are daft enough to depend on it. Anyway I am sort if satisfied we will only play them once this season bcos it seems everytimw we play them win, lose or draw I contribute more to HSL I did it again today. What a strange workd being a fan is ggtth.

[where'stheslope]

If Hearts depend on fan contributions to pay salaries what would happen if that source dips say due to Covid. Can they still pay wages due? I dont suppose they are daft enough to depend on it. Anyway I am sort if satisfied we will only play them once this season bcos it seems everytimw we play them win, lose or draw I contribute more to HSL I did it again today. What a strange workd being a fan is ggtth.
This is a strange analogy, its as if we won't (HSL) lose money due to losing jobs to covid???
Are Hibs supporters in the Trump Camp, "Were super human we can't get it!)!!!

[Rumble de Thump]

This is a strange analogy, its as if we won't (HSL) lose money due to losing jobs to covid???
Are Hibs supporters in the Trump Camp, "Were super human we can't get it!)!!!

Hearts have been heavily reliant on donations for years, mainly due to severe mismanagement of finances and their desperation to be seen as a big club. Hibs aren't.

[Jones28]

This is a strange analogy, its as if we won't (HSL) lose money due to losing jobs to covid???
Are Hibs supporters in the Trump Camp, "Were super human we can't get it!)!!!

HSL aren’t the main source of the club income, they just supplement it. FOH are the clubs 2 or third highest source of income. If it dried up they’d be seriously disadvantaged.

[allmodcons]

Head in the sand mentality tbh.

Probably no worse than just being mental.

[EI255]

And they now have a Scottish Cup final to show for what they did. They’ll be delighted.One which they will not win.

Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk

[Itsnoteasy]

It's worked out so well for them that they've spent £18 million of other people's money and are 3rd in the championship,play in front of an unfinished stand and share a rented training facility.

Exactly

[tamig]

HSL aren’t the main source of the club income, they just supplement it. FOH are the clubs 2 or third highest source of income. If it dried up they’d be seriously disadvantaged.

There’s no sign of that happening though is there? Despite everything, they continue to pump their cash in - three to four times more each month than us via HSL I just wish we could get another couple of thousand extra regular contributors to HSL. It would make such a difference to the club.

[B.H.F.C]

One which they will not win.

Sent from my LG-H870 using Tapatalk

Na they probably won’t but you’d rather be there, having beat your rivals in the semi final, than not.

[HendoDelivered]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/how-hearts-spent-six-figure-sum-robbie-neilsons-plan-beat-hibs-3022547?r=4560
Hearts over spending again to try and beat us?
Came back early so as the players would be fit and ready to play us in the semi-final!!!

So?

[cocteautwin]

HSL aren’t the main source of the club income, they just supplement it. FOH are the clubs 2 or third highest source of income. If it dried up they’d be seriously disadvantaged.

It's not going to dry up and neither are the injections from James Anderson who says he has pledged funding for next 5 years. If you add that up to the £30m of extra funding they've had since their Administration it could be over £60m extra funding they will have spent ahead of us by the end of 2025. We're not getting close to them financially any time in the near future.

[Since452]

It reminds me a bit of when Rangers beat Celtic in the semi final as a lower league club then lost to someone in the final, can't remember who... Their fans absolutely lapped it up but was all for nothing. It shouldn't have happened but it's not unusual for lower league clubs to win semis. Doesn't make the hurt go away but it's football

[danhibees1875]

It's not going to dry up and neither are the injections from James Anderson who says he has pledged funding for next 5 years. If you add that up to the £30m of extra funding they've had since their Administration it could be over £60m extra funding they will have spent ahead of us by the end of 2025. We're not getting close to them financially any time in the near future.

Something went astronomically wrong for them last year with that money but over the long term it makes sense they'll challenge/best Aberdeen with those finances at their disposal.

[EI255]

It's not going to dry up and neither are the injections from James Anderson who says he has pledged funding for next 5 years. If you add that up to the £30m of extra funding they've had since their Administration it could be over £60m extra funding they will have spent ahead of us by the end of 2025. We're not getting close to them financially any time in the near future.If I were James Anderson or the Fed of Hearts I'd be unhappy at the lack of success. All that money could, and really should, be bringing in regular Euro football and some silverware. Its actually quite staggering that they haven't done much in the last few years, apart from get a buzz from beating their city rivals!

All they millions, just to achieve one upmanship over Hibernian.

Is that success? [emoji1787]

[Wee Mickey]

If Hearts depend on fan contributions to pay salaries what would happen if that source dips say due to Covid. Can they still pay wages due? I dont suppose they are daft enough to depend on it. Anyway I am sort if satisfied we will only play them once this season bcos it seems everytimw we play them win, lose or draw I contribute more to HSL I did it again today. What a strange workd being a fan is ggtth.

Its been running now for 6 years ? It doesn’t look like that revenue stream is going to dry up anytime soon.

[Wee Mickey]

If Hearts depend on fan contributions to pay salaries what would happen if that source dips say due to Covid. Can they still pay wages due? I dont suppose they are daft enough to depend on it. Anyway I am sort if satisfied we will only play them once this season bcos it seems everytimw we play them win, lose or draw I contribute more to HSL I did it again today. What a strange workd being a fan is ggtth.

Its been running now for 6 years ? It doesn’t look like that revenue stream is going to dry up anytime soon.

[ancient hibee]

Y
Its been running now for 6 years ? It doesn’t look like that revenue stream is going to dry up anytime soon.

Is there anything about them that makes you think they’ve done a good job in spending £18M on top of normal commercial income?

[ahibby]

Its been running now for 6 years ? It doesn’t look like that revenue stream is going to dry up anytime soon.

Hibs didnt win the cup for over a century that didnt last forever. How many of their first team could be classed as good possible sell ons or is their team only for short term Championship success? Seems to me Hibs strategy is to supplement income with selling on certain types eventually that means sacrificing experience. It was that experience that one them the game along with a bat **** crazy ref. So much for all their donations.

[G B Young]

As others have said, if it meant that much to them then fair enough - it ultimately paid off, although they were on the cusp of losing the game so it could just as easily backfired.

What does surprise me a bit is that the cup game was their priority. I'd have thought an immediate return to the top flight would have been their main focus, in which case there was no real need to invest so much cash in starting training again so early. I'd be surprised if we'd have done the same in similar circumstances TBH. More likely we'd have focused on the league and regarded the cup game as a potential bonus, but not one we'd have spent hundreds of thousands getting in shape for.

Still, it's all about continuing to fuel the myth of injustice/expulsion etc and keep the fans onside I guess...

[Wee Mickey]

Y

Is there anything about them that makes you think they’ve done a good job in spending £18M on top of normal commercial income?

I don’t really care what they do will the extra revenue, my point was it’s well established and doesn’t look like it’s going to stop. Contrary to what other poster think.

[lyonhibs]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/how-hearts-spent-six-figure-sum-robbie-neilsons-plan-beat-hibs-3022547?r=4560
Hearts over spending again to try and beat us?
Came back early so as the players would be fit and ready to play us in the semi-final!!!

What on earth is the story here? There's no anti-Hearts twist possible here. They brought their players back early, paid their wages and whatever it costs to get their training facilities COVID safe all with the goal of beating us in the SC semi final which, errrr, they did.

Daft premise for a thread.

[Antifa Hibs]

What on earth is the story here? There's no anti-Hearts twist possible here. They brought their players back early, paid their wages and whatever it costs to get their training facilities COVID safe all with the goal of beating us in the SC semi final which, errrr, they did.

Daft premise for a thread.

It's this forum full stop after a bad result. Its mental.

One of the biggest clubs in the country spend a few quid to bring their professional players back to training early during a global pandemic? Still trying to figure out the story here.

Next up Hibs spent a 6 figure sum on a training camp to Dubai or La Manga? :boo hoo::blah::grr::fuming:

[H18 SFR]

I find it so ironic when some of our fans on here suggest the team is weak to the core, power puff, softer than ***** etc.

When you read some of the stuff written it is clearly obvious that many of the fans are in fact the ones who lack resilience, crumble at the first sign of a bad result etc.

We lost, on Sunday and Monday we deal with it, lick our wounds, take our medicine and then move on - we’ve not had a bereavement for Christ sake.

Friday can’t come quick enough, back on it!

[Rumble de Thump]

It's this forum full stop after a bad result. Its mental.

One of the biggest clubs in the country spend a few quid to bring their professional players back to training early during a global pandemic? Still trying to figure out the story here.

Next up Hibs spent a 6 figure sum on a training camp to Dubai or La Manga? :boo hoo::blah::grr::fuming:

To be fair, Hearts had been pleading poverty and threatened to not pay their players' wages unless they took huge pay cuts.

[broondog]

They aren’t in much debt, rent the sporting facility in the country and don’t lose money on it, their stadium is a dump yes and they’re in the Scottish cup final having beaten us again.

Who cares we have our own training facilities.

why are you being so sympathetic to then honsetly it embarrassing coming on here seeing so many people defendin them. OP is right they paid to beat us, that's all it was about for them and without a doubt they broke rules by doing that.

we have our own training facilties and live within our means and are a significantly better run club in EVERY aspect. that matters. we are at no threat of going under which could eesily happen to them again. give me Hibs anyday over them. While I don't understand some of the overreactions about losing to them again, what I understand less is our support constantly defedning them oin here.

The question about money is yet again a valid one and I have no doubt that their overspending despite being relegated warrants discussion and equates to cheating. they have cheated throughout their history and cheated again to win that match in my opinion. say what you want but without Craig Gordon they would have been hammered. tell me how they managed to afford probably the best keeper in the country, he must be on crazy wages!

they have also held onto high wage international players like Boyce, alan smith, naismith. again you have to question where the money has come from to do that. I don't know how much they lost with relegation but it would have been significant, plus having no fans in the stadium and playing against part time teams. how many signings have they made as well? I want to say at least 7 or 8 without losing many players.

they must be leaking money left right and centre and I suspect they will get their comeuppance soon. I also suspect they are breaking fifa financial rules by spending much more than they are bringing in so expect them to be sanctioned for that. hearts once again are living on borrowed time. I look forward to seeing them collapse yet again. Cup finals won't matter when they are once again fighting to try and salvage their cheating club

[cocteautwin]

why are you being so sympathetic to then honsetly it embarrassing coming on here seeing so many people defendin them. OP is right they paid to beat us, that's all it was about for them and without a doubt they broke rules by doing that.

we have our own training facilties and live within our means and are a significantly better run club in EVERY aspect. that matters. we are at no threat of going under which could eesily happen to them again. give me Hibs anyday over them. While I don't understand some of the overreactions about losing to them again, what I understand less is our support constantly defedning them oin here.

The question about money is yet again a valid one and I have no doubt that their overspending despite being relegated warrants discussion and equates to cheating. they have cheated throughout their history and cheated again to win that match in my opinion. say what you want but without Craig Gordon they would have been hammered. tell me how they managed to afford probably the best keeper in the country, he must be on crazy wages!

they have also held onto high wage international players like Boyce, alan smith, naismith. again you have to question where the money has come from to do that. I don't know how much they lost with relegation but it would have been significant, plus having no fans in the stadium and playing against part time teams. how many signings have they made as well? I want to say at least 7 or 8 without losing many players.

they must be leaking money left right and centre and I suspect they will get their comeuppance soon. I also suspect they are breaking fifa financial rules by spending much more than they are bringing in so expect them to be sanctioned for that. hearts once again are living on borrowed time. I look forward to seeing them collapse yet again. Cup finals won't matter when they are once again fighting to try and salvage their cheating club

Go back and read the whole thread. They aren’t going bust any time soon. They will be supported by James Anderson for the next 5 years at least. He’s already pledged that.

[broondog]

Go back and read the whole thread. They aren’t going bust any time soon. They will be supported by James Anderson for the next 5 years at least. He’s already pledged that.

Who the **** is James Anderson? With the money they are spending how can you possibly claim another admin is t possible?

[CropleyWasGod]

why are you being so sympathetic to then honsetly it embarrassing coming on here seeing so many people defendin them. OP is right they paid to beat us, that's all it was about for them and without a doubt they broke rules by doing that.

we have our own training facilties and live within our means and are a significantly better run club in EVERY aspect. that matters. we are at no threat of going under which could eesily happen to them again. give me Hibs anyday over them. While I don't understand some of the overreactions about losing to them again, what I understand less is our support constantly defedning them oin here.

The question about money is yet again a valid one and I have no doubt that their overspending despite being relegated warrants discussion and equates to cheating. they have cheated throughout their history and cheated again to win that match in my opinion. say what you want but without Craig Gordon they would have been hammered. tell me how they managed to afford probably the best keeper in the country, he must be on crazy wages!

they have also held onto high wage international players like Boyce, alan smith, naismith. again you have to question where the money has come from to do that. I don't know how much they lost with relegation but it would have been significant, plus having no fans in the stadium and playing against part time teams. how many signings have they made as well? I want to say at least 7 or 8 without losing many players.

they must be leaking money left right and centre and I suspect they will get their comeuppance soon. I also suspect they are breaking fifa financial rules by spending much more than they are bringing in so expect them to be sanctioned for that. hearts once again are living on borrowed time. I look forward to seeing them collapse yet again. Cup finals won't matter when they are once again fighting to try and salvage their cheating club

They aren't.

[ahibby]

It's this forum full stop after a bad result. Its mental.

One of the biggest clubs in the country spend a few quid to bring their professional players back to training early during a global pandemic? Still trying to figure out the story here.

Next up Hibs spent a 6 figure sum on a training camp to Dubai or La Manga? :boo hoo::blah::grr::fuming:

I can't speak for the paper or others on here but my points are 1. They have spent bigger than was necessary and apparently only so that they could win the semi, the craziness of that is the match could have easily gone the other way, it was that close and only a daft referee gave them the game, not their superiority due to spending. For me that's just daft but hey it's their money, do with it what they want. 2. They do rely on fan donations to make ends meet more than we do, it may be well established, but fans as we know can be fickle and a few bad results or couple of bad seasons could change that. It's their dependency on it that's key here. We are not dependent on our HSL contributions it's a nice to have, though. I can't see them bringing on players like they did under their previous manager, its just all about the now and winning now, let later take care of itself, in contrast to Hibs. That's how it appears but of course they will have a short, medium and long term plan, I just don't want to give them credit for that, does anyone blame me for ignoring the obvious considering I'm ahibby.

[cocteautwin]

Who the **** is James Anderson? With the money they are spending how can you possibly claim another admin is t possible?

He’s the guy that’s put in £20m in to HMFC the past few years and has pledged another c£20m for the next 5 years. Admin2 isn’t happening