Derek Chisora

[DaveF]

I see he donned a Halloween 'outfit' for his weigh in which was basically him putting white make up over his body with war written on his chest.

Wise move given the sensitive nature of such things or just boxing nonsense?

I can't imagine it would have went down well if his opponent had blacked up in response :-0

[murray26]

🍿🍿🍿

[McSwanky]

I personally don't have a problem with it, but it was probably ill judged on his part. The Tommy Robinsons etc will just use it as fuel.

[DaveF]

I personally don't have a problem with it, but it was probably ill judged on his part. The Tommy Robinsons etc will just use it as fuel.

I don't care either and the clip on BBC sport this morning was all about how they were comparing him to uncle fester.

However, if it was his opponent who blacked up then it would be an entirely different story I would think.

[Mon Dieu4]

I see he donned a Halloween 'outfit' for his weigh in which was basically him putting white make up over his body with war written on his chest.

Wise move given the sensitive nature of such things or just boxing nonsense?

I can't imagine it would have went down well if his opponent had blacked up in response :-0

The war part is a moniker he's been using for years, Derek War Chisora, I don't think he was whiting up, he's mental and was just doing something Halloween themed, trying to get in Usyk's head and trying to sell a PPV

[calumhibee1]

If it was the other way around there would be uproar.

I personally couldn’t care less, but this should be treated in the exact same manner.

[Beefster]

If it was the other way around there would be uproar.

I personally couldn’t care less, but this should be treated in the exact same manner.

It would be treated in exactly the same way if there was a long history of black folk ‘whiting up’ to demean and stereotype white people. If you look at them without context, they are exactly the same. With context, they’re not.

[Mon Dieu4]

If it was the other way around there would be uproar.

I personally couldn’t care less, but this should be treated in the exact same manner.

white people use white paint to try and look spooky at Halloween, this is possibly the most non story of all time

[Hibbyradge]

It would be treated in exactly the same way if there was a long history of black folk ‘whiting up’ to demean and stereotype white people. If you look at them without context, they are exactly the same. With context, they’re not.

Correct, and people should understand that by now.

[lord bunberry]

It would be treated in exactly the same way if there was a long history of black folk ‘whiting up’ to demean and stereotype white people. If you look at them without context, they are exactly the same. With context, they’re not.
I agree with that, but there will be lots of the all lives matter brigade who will try and make an issue out of it.

[makaveli1875]

He's going to take a serious beat down from Usyk

[Pretty Boy]

Was the paint not meant to resemble African tribal body paint used, among other things, to intimidate enemies?

DC is Zimbabwean.

[Mon Dieu4]

Was the paint not meant to resemble African tribal body paint used, among other things, to intimidate enemies?

DC is Zimbabwean.

Don't talk nonsense, he was clearly sticking it to "whitey" and the war part shows he's a black supremacist :wink:

[Berwickhibby]

What a complete non story....it was a wee bit Halloween hype to publicise their fight

[DaveF]

Don't talk nonsense, he was clearly sticking it to "whitey" and the war part shows he's a black supremacist :wink:

If that's aimed at me as the OP then it's miles off. It was just a semi topical discussion point with a nod to the overall nonsense that goes on with boxing.

But since PB brought up the tribal thing, has DC do e it before or is this just a convenient bit of reasoning ;-)

[DaveF]

Btw, he does do a good uncle fester 😁

[Jones28]

It would be treated in exactly the same way if there was a long history of black folk ‘whiting up’ to demean and stereotype white people. If you look at them without context, they are exactly the same. With context, they’re not.

Absolutely. Great post Beefster.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Seriously need to go to the opticians.

I was reading it as Derek Akorah 😁

He's done it for a reaction, the Proud Boys of the world will be raging.

[One Day Soon]

Seriously need to go to the opticians.

I was reading it as Derek Akorah 😁

He's done it for a reaction, the Proud Boys of the world will be raging.

I too thought it was the dodgy medium. I assumed he had died from the thread title.

[stoneyburn hibs]

I too thought it was the dodgy medium. I assumed he had died from the thread title.

He passed a wee while ago.

[Scouse Hibee]

Seriously need to go to the opticians.

I was reading it as Derek Akorah 😁

He's done it for a reaction, the Proud Boys of the world will be raging.

No he done it for Halloween.

[Scouse Hibee]

Seriously need to go to the opticians.

I was reading it as Derek Akorah 😁

He's done it for a reaction, the Proud Boys of the world will be raging.

No he done it for Halloween.

SKY have billed it as fright night, he was playing the part, absolutely nothing else in it.

[calumhibee1]

It would be treated in exactly the same way if there was a long history of black folk ‘whiting up’ to demean and stereotype white people. If you look at them without context, they are exactly the same. With context, they’re not.

And I’d agree with that if the uproar was strictly limited to when someone ‘blacked up’ to demean black people.

Instead there’s uproar when someone ‘blacks up’ purely to look like a character from a movie such as Mr T.

If theres uproar in one direction every single time someone does it, even if it isn’t demeaning, then it should be the same in the other direction. There’s even uproar when it’s done in a complimentary way - People want to dress as Mr T because he’s incredibly cool. Not because they’re wanting to make a fool of black people yet that’s unacceptable.

If that’s the case then this is also unacceptable.

[Sir David Gray]

And I’d agree with that if the uproar was strictly limited to when someone ‘blacked up’ to demean black people.

Instead there’s uproar when someone ‘blacks up’ purely to look like a character from a movie such as Mr T.

If theres uproar in one direction every single time someone does it, even if it isn’t demeaning, then it should be the same in the other direction. There’s even uproar when it’s done in a complimentary way - People want to dress as Mr T because he’s incredibly cool. Not because they’re wanting to make a fool of black people yet that’s unacceptable.

If that’s the case then this is also unacceptable.

Good post. :agree:

[easty]

How is this even a story? There’s nothing in it at all.

[Hibbyradge]

Would it be ok if I went to a fancy dress party as Steven Hawking's? I could sit in a wheelchair, tilt my head sideways, droop my mouth and talk with a mechanical voice?

No-one would laugh or find that offensive, would they? It certainly wouldn't be my intention. I'd just be imitating someone famous. :dunno:

[The Modfather]

Would it be ok if I went to a fancy dress party as Steven Hawking's? I could sit in a wheelchair, tilt my head sideways, droop my mouth and talk with a mechanical voice?

No-one would laugh or find that offensive, would they? It certainly wouldn't be my intention. I'd just be imitating someone famous. :dunno:

Give it a try and let us know how you get on :agree:

[Scouse Hibee]

Would it be ok if I went to a fancy dress party as Steven Hawking's? I could sit in a wheelchair, tilt my head sideways, droop my mouth and talk with a mechanical voice?

No-one would laugh or find that offensive, would they? It certainly wouldn't be my intention. I'd just be imitating someone famous. :dunno:

Should be okay as long as you don’t park in a disabled space, that would really piss people off.

[McSwanky]

People want to dress as Mr T because he’s incredibly cool.

I pity those fools

[stoneyburn hibs]

No he done it for Halloween.

SKY have billed it as fright night, he was playing the part, absolutely nothing else in it.

Okay thanks, no doubt that some will still be raging though.

[calumhibee1]

I pity those fools

:greengrin

[calumhibee1]

Would it be ok if I went to a fancy dress party as Steven Hawking's? I could sit in a wheelchair, tilt my head sideways, droop my mouth and talk with a mechanical voice?

No-one would laugh or find that offensive, would they? It certainly wouldn't be my intention. I'd just be imitating someone famous. :dunno:

I presume you were suitably outraged when the movie ‘White Chicks’ came out? Blonde white women would have plenty to be offended about from the way they were portrayed. Certainly a lot more to be offended about than people could realistically have from someone dressing up as Mr T, Usain Bolt or the Jamaican bobsleigh team because they’re iconic/cool which is why people dress up as them, not because the want to demean black people but because they want to celebrate these specific black people.

Where as in your example, the reasons for dressing as Steven Hawking would be a lot more open for debate and I could say with some confidence that the majority of people dressing up as him would be doing it to demean him.

[Beefster]

And I’d agree with that if the uproar was strictly limited to when someone ‘blacked up’ to demean black people.

Instead there’s uproar when someone ‘blacks up’ purely to look like a character from a movie such as Mr T.

If theres uproar in one direction every single time someone does it, even if it isn’t demeaning, then it should be the same in the other direction. There’s even uproar when it’s done in a complimentary way - People want to dress as Mr T because he’s incredibly cool. Not because they’re wanting to make a fool of black people yet that’s unacceptable.

If that’s the case then this is also unacceptable.

Did you read my comments on context? The very act of blacking up is tied in with long-standing racism and dehumanisation of a race.

I’ll be honest, if a white person can’t find a cool person to fancy-dress that includes considering the context of what they’re doing, they’re an idiot.

[calumhibee1]

Did you read my comments on context? The very act of blacking up is tied in with long-standing racism and dehumanisation of a race.

I’ll be honest, if a white person can’t find a cool person to fancy-dress that includes considering the context of what they’re doing, they’re an idiot.

I read your comments. Blacking up was indeed tied in with dehumanising black people. These people aren’t dressing up and celebrating black people though, as you say, they were dehumanising them. People who want to dress up as a black sportsmen/celebrity/whoever to celebrate them are doing nothing wrong.

The actors in White Chicks dye their hair blonde and demean white blonde women. Should black women be told that they can’t dye their hair blonde?

I also think your post above is absolute nonsense.

If someone wants to dress up as a black person to celebrate and not demean/dehumanise them then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It’s the same kind of ***** logic when people say white people can’t have dreadlocks or wear something with some form of ‘African’ pattern. If people want to take something from a different culture and celebrate it then there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What a sad, pathetic, insular world we’d live in if you can’t celebrate people/things from other cultures/races.

[Beefster]

I read your comments. Blacking up was indeed tied in with dehumanising black people. These people weren’t dressing up and celebrating black people though, as you say, they were dehumanising them.

I also think your post above is absolute nonsense.

If someone wants to dress up as a black person to celebrate and not demean them then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It’s the same kind of ***** logic when people say white people can’t have dreadlocks or wear something with some form of ‘African’ pattern. If people want to take something from a different culture and celebrate it then there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What a sad world we’d live in if you can’t celebrate people/things from other cultures/races.

Hey, it’s not for me to tell you what to think. If you think that the best way to celebrate your black heroes is dressing as them and blacking up, go for it.

PS I don’t find white people with dreadlocks offensive. Just cringey as ****.

[calumhibee1]

Hey, it’s not for me to tell you what to think. If you think that the best way to celebrate your black heroes is dressing as them and blacking up, go for it.

PS I don’t find white people with dreadlocks offensive. Just cringey as ****.

I’ve no interest in dressing up as anyone. I just don’t agree in the slightest that it’s racist. However, I do think that if you want to claim it is racist then it works both ways, regardless of historical things like the minstrel show or white chicks.

[CapitalGreen]

I’ve known a few people who have blacked up when I was at Uni, all did it because they thought it would be funny to pretend to be a black person, the more stereotypically black the character the better in their opinion.

[stu in nottingham]

Seriously need to go to the opticians.

I was reading it as Derek Akorah ��


Has to be done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtVPD0LAE6w

[stoneyburn hibs]

Has to be done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtVPD0LAE6w

Haha, brilliant.

[One Day Soon]

I pity those fools

Massively underrated post.

[Future17]

I read your comments. Blacking up was indeed tied in with dehumanising black people. These people aren’t dressing up and celebrating black people though, as you say, they were dehumanising them. People who want to dress up as a black sportsmen/celebrity/whoever to celebrate them are doing nothing wrong.

The actors in White Chicks dye their hair blonde and demean white blonde women. Should black women be told that they can’t dye their hair blonde?

I also think your post above is absolute nonsense.

If someone wants to dress up as a black person to celebrate and not demean/dehumanise them then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It’s the same kind of ***** logic when people say white people can’t have dreadlocks or wear something with some form of ‘African’ pattern. If people want to take something from a different culture and celebrate it then there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What a sad, pathetic, insular world we’d live in if you can’t celebrate people/things from other cultures/races.

I despise the phrase "cultural appropriation". For me, those who complain about "cultural appropriation" are promoting division and fostering racial discrimination.

[calumhibee1]

I despise the phrase "cultural appropriation". For me, those who complain about "cultural appropriation" are promoting division and fostering racial discrimination.

:agree: