Footballs Black Coalition

[Monts]

A new group has been set up to challenge racism in football. It doesn't say in the article but I assume this is focussed on English football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54458684

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Taking the knee, just like wearing rainbow laces, uttering a slogan, using a hashtag is never enough.
Whilst raising awareness is great it’s only the start.

So good that the momentum has lead to mobilisation.good on them...

[Mibbes Aye]

Taking the knee, just like wearing rainbow laces, uttering a slogan, using a hashtag is never enough.
Whilst raising awareness is great it’s only the start.

So good that the momentum has lead to mobilisation.good on them...

:agree: Yep

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Of course I completely agree with the message and what it’s aims are but do we need another group?

kick.it.out
show racism the red card
No room for racism
And that what I can name just off the top of my head

And now Football's Black Coalition

It’s more costs and overheads from another group instead of a clear and direct message and approach (where the message is already pretty simple) from one streamlined group and more funding to publish material and to actually tackle the issues and re-educate

I know some will disagree but that’s just my opinion

[Pretty Boy]

The most effective action would be players walking off the park when they were subjected to abuse based on race, creed, sexual orientation and so on. That won't happen though because the authorities continue to punish those who stand up to bigotries whilst failing to adequately punish the perpetrators.

Groups, committees and gestures are all well and good. Until someone shows willing to take action then it's all just paying lip service.

[Antifa Hibs]

Fair play to anyone that feels passionate enough to stand up for a cause they believe in.

But...

Surely racist ********s at fitba are just a by-product of wider society? You not better putting your efforts into tackling the root cause of it and not just focusing on one tiny fraction of society (football)?

All the best to them none the less.

[Since452]

Baffles me how the colour of someone's skin is still an issue. It's 2020. Just shows how primitive the human race still is.

[CMurdoch]

Baffles me how the colour of someone's skin is still an issue. It's 2020. Just shows how primitive the human race still is.

Racism makes no sense. I've always thought it was just a particularly nasty way of bullying to gain or maintain an advantage be that power, standing or wealth. Anti semitism and making up names for the enemy in a war to demonise them is similar. In a way it's why I don't stereotype the character of fans of other Scottish football teams and call them names. Just feels a bit of the same and isn't for me.

[Tommy75]

The most effective action would be players walking off the park when they were subjected to abuse based on race, creed, sexual orientation and so on. That won't happen though because the authorities continue to punish those who stand up to bigotries whilst failing to adequately punish the perpetrators.

Groups, committees and gestures are all well and good. Until someone shows willing to take action then it's all just paying lip service.

I totally agree.

I think I read recently that San Diego Loyal walked off the park after one of their players allegedly received homophobic abuse. Absolutely the right thing to do and I would support Hibs 100 per cent if we chose to leave the park because one of our players/staff received homophobic, racist, sectarian etc abuse.

[James Stephen]

Its always surprised me nobody ever set up a 'black' or 'asian' club in England in the style of our good selves, and our less classy Glasgow offspring.

There would surely be a market for it?

[Juniper Greens]

Our Asian population is massively under represented in Scottish football

[The dalmeny]

Our Asian population is massively under represented in Scottish football


yip, few and far between

[superfurryhibby]

Its always surprised me nobody ever set up a 'black' or 'asian' club in England in the style of our good selves, and our less classy Glasgow offspring.

There would surely be a market for it?

Would that in itself not be divisive though?

[James Stephen]

Would that in itself not be divisive though?

Not necessarily, it would depend how its done i suppose.

It worked well for us and Celtic after all.

Im not advocating it, im just surprised it never happend in London or West Yorkshire, somewhere like that.

Maybe it has of course, and it just never caught on.

[CropleyWasGod]

Our Asian population is massively under represented in Scottish football

Perhaps there's not the enthusiasm for fitba in that community?

Contrast it with cricket in Scotland, in which there is a lot of Asian involvement. Perhaps that reflects the attitudes to the sports in South Asia, where cricket is huge compared to football.

I'm not sure it's just a Scottish issue. I can't think of any top class football players from that part of the world. Are there any British Asians playing in England?

[WhileTheChief..]

Our Asian population is massively under represented in Scottish football

Why do you think that is?

Absolutely nothing stopping Asian lads playing football at school and then joining a boys club or whatever.

Certainly got nothing to do with racism.

[superfurryhibby]

Not necessarily, it would depend how its done i suppose.

It worked well for us and Celtic after all.

Im not advocating it, im just surprised it never happend in London or West Yorkshire, somewhere like that.

Maybe it has of course, and it just never caught on.

Tbf, many teams from London have very high numbers of black lads. My eldest played for a team down there. They won the Surrey County Cup and were a real mixed bunch, lots of black guys and plenty non UK nationals. We went down for the final and they played a team from small satellite town, exclusively white.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Why do you think that is?

Absolutely nothing stopping Asian lads playing football at school and then joining a boys club or whatever.

Certainly got nothing to do with racism.

Either you have personal experience (maybe even from the Asian community or work closely?) in this or are making a widespread generalisation based on assumption.

“_ certainly nothing_ to do with racism” seems a bit simplistic. I guess it’s complicated and that’s one strand of it no?

[Dr What If?]

Its always surprised me nobody ever set up a 'black' or 'asian' club in England in the style of our good selves, and our less classy Glasgow offspring.

There would surely be a market for it?
I hate that thought. When we were established sectarianism, bigotry, racism....they weren't seen as problems, they were the norm.....solely catholic teams, clubs, societies, etc. were a much needed outlet not just for that generation but my grandparents and even my parents generation.
Yes that corrupted, half-whited moron is still out there, and it pains me to say that football is one of the last places in society where this evil seems to have an outlet. Thankfully things have moved forward in society as a whole, we don't need all catholic/protestant teams because any kid can walk into any club without ever being asked the question.....and no club will knock a kid back because of skin colour......those days are past and we need to celebrate these victories.
Still though, morons feel it is perfectly acceptable to turn the clock back when sitting in the stands of their favorite football team, a safe place for them to spew out their horrific songs and disgusting chants. So if black players need to walk off the pitch, or maybe clubs themselves refuse to play in stadiums where this is tolerated....good....lets do it! Imagine the press response if Hibs refused to play at Ibrox because of their song book? Maybe the SFA would fine us or dock points? Even better, it would just spread the story further, lifting the lid on the hidden few who want to take us back to a time when minority groups needed to establish their own teams because no one else would have them.

[Dr What If?]

Sorry, started on my soap box now, can't stop :wink:
The argument that always got my goat from the clubs about 'not being able to control what x thousand fans were singing' is nonsense. What can you control then? That's my response......is it 20k? 10k? couple of hundred? Well until this problem is gone that is your stadium capacity. Is is the away fans that are the problem? Fine, you can't have more than X away fans then. The very, very least that could be done is a ban on broadcasting games from stadia where this is a known and persistent problem.
I love football and I love Hibs, I want neither to be complicit it the continued existence of racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc. This issue is bigger than the game and if clubs, the SFA, SPLFL, etc. can't recognise that then it is them that have no place in the Scotland of 2020.