Kilmarnock vs Motherwell- 6 COVID positives

[Paul1642]

Just been on the radio that Kilmarnock have a further 3 positive COVID cases taking their total to 6. Will the game be on or off. Seems unfair if it goes ahead but then again St Mirren had to play us with an emergency keeper. Odds are that we could fall foul of the same situation at some point this season (already slightly did with Gogic. This season really is going to be a bit of a lottery.

[Irish_Steve]

Time for Kilmarnock to completely self-isolate - hang on, they have been doing that for years

[calumhibee1]

Game has to be on. Already a joke that Aberdeen and Celtic got away with it whilst us and St Mirren and probably others never. Time to stop making it up as we go along.

[B.H.F.C]

Game has to be on. Already a joke that Aberdeen and Celtic got away with it whilst us and St Mirren and probably others never. Time to stop making it up as we go along.

SPFL were going to have them go ahead, was the government intervention that got them called off.

[CMurdoch]

Just been on the radio that Kilmarnock have a further 3 positive COVID cases taking their total to 6. Will the game be on or off. Seems unfair if it goes ahead but then again St Mirren had to play us with an emergency keeper. Odds are that we could fall foul of the same situation at some point this season (already slightly did with Gogic. This season really is going to be a bit of a lottery.

Covid is the X factor this season. Snakes and ladders. They have to play the game otherwise the season will last 15 months.

[04Sauzee]

You can get 9/5 Motherwell

[B.H.F.C]

Fully expect this to happen to us on 29th October or thereabouts.

[04Sauzee]

Kilmarnock Football Club can confirm a further three individuals have recorded positive tests for COVID-19 following today’s round of testing.

In addition to the three positive tests recorded by the club earlier this week, this means six players in total have now tested positive and will require to self-isolate as per Scottish Government guidelines.

The three individuals who have recorded positive tests today will now be the subject of NHS testing.

Discussions will take place between the club and NHS Ayrshire and Arran Health Board’s Test and Protect team tomorrow morning to determine the implications of the test results for our Premiership fixture against Motherwell.

The health and wellbeing of our players and staff remains paramount and we wish all those affected a speedy recovery.

[007]

It's been said on here and on the radio that the UEFA guudance is that if the team has 13 players available then the match should be played. That might have been in reference to Nations League matches so not sure if the same applies to league games.

I think that's fair enough, priority should be to get the games played instead of creating a backlog and greatly increasing the chances of having to use ppg to decide the league.

Will be interesting to see if something like this happens to Celtic or Rangers for the Glasgow derby in a couple of weeks. There will be an uproar.

[bingo70]

You can get 9/5 Motherwell

5/4 on Sky bet now

[LustForLeith]

I’ve been thinking..anyone know whose the part time clubs in Scotland? Won’t they have a greater chance of players having to self isolating as they’ll have other jobs which increase the chances of them getting it? And if the games have to go ahead and the team in question is playing a full time club then the full time club could have a massive advantage?

[King Cosell]

I’ve been thinking..anyone know whose the part time clubs in Scotland? Won’t they have a greater chance of players having to self isolating as they’ll have other jobs which increase the chances of them getting it? And if the games have to go ahead and the team in question is playing a full time club then the full time club could have a massive advantage?

Could be wrong but I think Arbroath, Alloa & Ayr are part-time in the Championship. Only full-time clubs in League One & Two are Falkirk & Partick. As I say, I could be wrong.

[1875Sean]

I’ve been thinking..anyone know whose the part time clubs in Scotland? Won’t they have a greater chance of players having to self isolating as they’ll have other jobs which increase the chances of them getting it? And if the games have to go ahead and the team in question is playing a full time club then the full time club could have a massive advantage?

Sure the lower league teams don’t have to test unless they play a premiership team in the cup, think Hearts are the only team in the championship doing regular testing

[SChibs]

Could be wrong but I think Arbroath, Alloa & Ayr are part-time in the Championship. Only full-time clubs in League One & Two are Falkirk & Partick. As I say, I could be wrong.

I thought Airdrie were full time but maybe not. Also Queens Park maybe are too (Andy Robertson used to play for them).

[Paul1642]

I think the championship and below will be chaos this season.

[JimBHibees]

Could be wrong but I think Arbroath, Alloa & Ayr are part-time in the Championship. Only full-time clubs in League One & Two are Falkirk & Partick. As I say, I could be wrong.

Think Ayr are full time. Not sure what position is with Cove may be full time or have a core of their squad full time.

[Since452]

I think the championship and below will be chaos this season.

So do i

[basehibby]

I wonder how many will still test positive at the hospital

[Sir David Gray]

Could be wrong but I think Arbroath, Alloa & Ayr are part-time in the Championship. Only full-time clubs in League One & Two are Falkirk & Partick. As I say, I could be wrong.

Alloa and Arbroath are definitely part time, I think Ayr are full time though.

[H18 SFR]

Think Ayr are full time. Not sure what position is with Cove may be full time or have a core of their squad full time.

I live in Ayr, they are and they aren't full time.

They have a number of senior players on full time contracts and the entire youth team/apprentices are full time. The rest of the first team squad are part time.

They actually train at my work (school) sometimes.

[Billy Whizz]

So is this game still on tonight?

[H18 SFR]

So is this game still on tonight?

Yes, not cancelled as of yet.

[B.H.F.C]

Being reported that the health authorities to step in and get it called off.

[kaimendhibs]

Its off

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[Sir David Gray]

Game's off according to various sources online.

[scoopyboy]

Nothing on BBC or SPFL websites.

[04Sauzee]

6 minutes ago

SPFL and SFA hierarchy meeting imminently to discuss Kilmarnock v Motherwell match scheduled to take place tonight. It hasn't been called off yet.. but could yet be. 6 Kilmarnock players have tested positive for Covid-19. Others may also be self isolating through test and protect

[04Sauzee]

Although Scott Burns has it off

EXCLUSIVE! Kilmarnock vs Motherwell OFF as Ayrshire club hit with coronavirus outbreak | @ScottBurns75

https://t.co/nAnn8myUZG https://t.co/fSnefsmw8V

[scoopyboy]

6 minutes ago

SPFL and SFA hierarchy meeting imminently to discuss Kilmarnock v Motherwell match scheduled to take place tonight. It hasn't been called off yet.. but could yet be. 6 Kilmarnock players have tested positive for Covid-19. Others may also be self isolating through test and protect

A dangerous precedent could be set with this match.

[JimBHibees]

I live in Ayr, they are and they aren't full time.

They have a number of senior players on full time contracts and the entire youth team/apprentices are full time. The rest of the first team squad are part time.

They actually train at my work (school) sometimes.

Ok cheers

[H18 SFR]

Although Scott Burns has it off

EXCLUSIVE! Kilmarnock vs Motherwell OFF as Ayrshire club hit with coronavirus outbreak | @ScottBurns75

https://t.co/nAnn8myUZG https://t.co/fSnefsmw8V

That article doesn’t say it’s off.

[04Sauzee]

That article doesn’t say it’s off.

It's Scott Burns i didnt read the Record article just fhe the headline. Headline says its off but assuming it may not be? 🤔

[B.H.F.C]

A dangerous precedent could be set with this match.

From what I read it’s going to be taken out of the hands of the SPFL

[Brightside]

The whole team is in lockdown.... so no chance of that game happening for 2 weeks.

[scoopyboy]

From what I read it’s going to be taken out of the hands of the SPFL

It's going to end up farcical, some games are going to be called off and others aren't.

[04Sauzee]

Kilmarnock v Motherwell tonight is off. Entire Killie squad been told to self isolate for between 10 to 14 days. Six positive cases of COVID-19, so far. News will be conformed later.

[B.H.F.C]

It's going to end up farcical, some games are going to be called off and others aren't.

Don’t disagree but it’s dependant on what action the NHS Test and Protect folk take. If they tell everyone to isolate, whereas on other occasions they don’t deem it to be necessary, there isn’t much can be done about it.

[ancient hibee]

There is no one size fits all solution to this and it makes sense that each case will be considered before a decision.

[Brightside]

So do Killie now get to postpone any game in the next 14 days?

[Billy Whizz]

So do Killie now get to postpone any game in the next 14 days?

It’s a good point, next league game is against Livvi on 17th, but they have Betfred Cup fixtures
Away to Falkirk on Tuesday
Home to Dunfermline on 13th

[04Sauzee]

Assuming Killie wont be able to transfer players out before the window shuts as they wont be abke to have a medical if isolating?

[04Sauzee]

It’s a good point, next league game is against Livvi on 17th, but they have Betfred Cup fixtures
Away to Falkirk on Tuesday
Home to Dunfermline on 13th
I think the rule for the Betfred that if a club is unable or unwilling to field a team then the game is forfeited?

[Brightside]

I think the rule for the Betfred that if a club is unable or unwilling to field a team then the game is forfeited?

I think we are making the rules up as we go.... hence the ongoing issue.

[green day]

I think we are making the rules up as we go.... hence the ongoing issue.

6 First team players will be available for at least one of their betfred matches. I am sure they will play the games.

If it is confirmed that the entire first team are to isolate, thats not a footballing decision, rather the T&T teams in Ayrshire.

[Brightside]

6 First team players will be available for at least one of their betfred matches. I am sure they will play the games.

If it is confirmed that the entire first team are to isolate, thats not a footballing decision, rather the T&T teams in Ayrshire.

So if the first team have to isolate do they lose that game? We can't keep postponing games. Has to be clear rules now. Maybe there are but Ive not seen it anywhere.

[where'stheslope]

So many rule changes???
Now a game has to be called off because of covid, what will happen when premiership teams play lower league teams who are not testing in the cups???
The season is already tight for fixtures, when will these games get played???
Soon,if we are allowed to let fans into stadiums and there will be no players on the pitch!!!!

[Green Reaper]

So many rule changes???
Now a game has to be called off because of covid, what will happen when premiership teams play lower league teams who are not testing in the cups???
The season is already tight for fixtures, when will these games get played???
Soon,if we are allowed to let fans into stadiums and there will be no players on the pitch!!!!

I believe lower league teams have to test if playing Premier teams in the cup

[04Sauzee]

Re SPFL investigation into Kilmarnock covid outbreak.. it'll centre on whether any protocols were breached within the club. If not, game v Motherwell will be rescheduled. If otherwise, then it'll go to a disciplinary.

[hibee62]

There really needs to be some sort of standardised rule brought in for this. Minimum number of players not self-isolating or something. If it’s done on a whim every time there’s a cluster at a club then the season will never get finished!

[Smartie]

There really needs to be some sort of standardised rule brought in for this. Minimum number of players not self-isolating or something. If it’s done on a whim every time there’s a cluster at a club then the season will never get finished!

It also has the potential to be absolute mayhem in the run up to the likes of Old Firm games of our semi final.

[greenlex]

So if the first team have to isolate do they lose that game? We can't keep postponing games. Has to be clear rules now. Maybe there are but Ive not seen it anywhere.
Should not and IMO cannot punish clubs. They are doing all they can. Postpone the games is the only way. If the season can’t be completed like last season then so be it.

[dp00]

Have killie not had some positive cases already ? I think when clubs are repeating offenders then we should investigate


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[bod]

Assuming Killie wont be able to transfer players out before the window shuts as they wont be abke to have a medical if isolating?

You could buy without a medical but not the wisest decision these days

[calumhibee1]

Should not and IMO cannot punish clubs. They are doing all they can. Postpone the games is the only way. If the season can’t be completed like last season then so be it.

The problem with that is we had to play without a key player already and we lost - the only game we’ve lost apart from away to the champions.

There needs to be a precedent set. The games are either off or they’re on. Not decided on a whim on the day.

[B.H.F.C]

Should not and IMO cannot punish clubs. They are doing all they can. Postpone the games is the only way. If the season can’t be completed like last season then so be it.

We can’t not complete seasons with the lack of money already in the game, without any fans. We can’t be going without the TV money that would be lost, plus the other small revenue streams there is through streaming etc.

[Sir David Gray]

Sadio Mane of Liverpool tests positive.

[Callum_62]

Can someone explain why whole squads don't self isolate whenever a positive result happens?

If I wife tested positive our whole house would self isolate, correct?

How can a. Contact sport where they are in training in close contact be treated so differently?



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[bigwheel]

Can someone explain why whole squads don't self isolate whenever a positive result happens?

If I wife tested positive our whole house would self isolate, correct?

How can a. Contact sport where they are in training in close contact be treated so differently?



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perhaps because they've just tested negative?

[Callum_62]

perhaps because they've just tested negative?

Does that apply to joe bloggs though?

I dont think it does

[hibee62]

Does that apply to joe bloggs though?

I dont think it does

No, but the footballers will also be tested a few days later, and as often as is economically possible. They also use gps to work out how long they were in close proximity to each other, hence why all 3 st Mirren goalies were taken out.

[number9dream]

The problem with that is we had to play without a key player already and we lost - the only game we’ve lost apart from away to the champions.

There needs to be a precedent set. The games are either off or they’re on. Not decided on a whim on the day.

It wasn't exactly a whim. Kilmarnock were advised to isolate the entire squad by the NHS Trace & Protect Team. That hasn't happened to any other Premiership team.

Testing is always going to be flawed while we wait a day or two for results. In Italy they are using widespread methods which give a result within 30 minutes.

Contrast that with Brora Rangers players going to Dingwall for a test today - then all training together afterwards - going home to different parts of the Highlands - going to work on the Monday and Tuesday before travelling down on the Wednesday. If one tests positive, then surely they all have to isolate and there are lots of opportunities to pick up the virus between testing and the game - albeit that prevalence in that part of the country is low.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54402157

[04Sauzee]

LEAGUE CUP LATEST
BREAKING

@FalkirkFC v @KilmarnockFC tie on Tuesday cancelled following positive Covid-19 tests within Kilmarnock squad

Falkirk awarded 3-0 win following decision made by SPFL board

More on @SkySportsNews

[SteveHFC]

LEAGUE CUP LATEST
BREAKING

@FalkirkFC v @KilmarnockFC tie on Tuesday cancelled following positive Covid-19 tests within Kilmarnock squad

Falkirk awarded 3-0 win following decision made by SPFL board

More on @SkySportsNews

Same thing should have happened with Aberdeen and Celtic.

[Real Emerald]

Same thing should have happened with Aberdeen and Celtic.

Aberdeen especially have got away with their self imposed infections while it seems everyone else is getting penalised for accidental infections. 6 players break rules and none miss any games, joke of a decision at the time.

[Keith_M]

This should be a rule for league games as well.

If a club can't complete a fixture because they're unable to field a team, it should be a 3-0 forfeit.

Sadly the SPFL were too stupid to prepare for this in advance and create a set of rules to cover these scenarios before the season started.

[ancient hibee]

This should be a rule for league games as well.

If a club can't complete a fixture because they're unable to field a team, it should be a 3-0 forfeit.

Sadly the SPFL were too stupid to prepare for this in advance and create a set of rules to cover these scenarios before the season started.
The clubs refused to let the board set anything up.

[Since452]

LEAGUE CUP LATEST
BREAKING

@FalkirkFC v @KilmarnockFC tie on Tuesday cancelled following positive Covid-19 tests within Kilmarnock squad

Falkirk awarded 3-0 win following decision made by SPFL board

More on @SkySportsNews

That's a really good result for Falkirk

[JimBHibees]

LEAGUE CUP LATEST
BREAKING

@FalkirkFC v @KilmarnockFC tie on Tuesday cancelled following positive Covid-19 tests within Kilmarnock squad

Falkirk awarded 3-0 win following decision made by SPFL board

More on @SkySportsNews

Assume it will be the same for their two other games in league cup in next week or so effectively knocking them out of the cup. Assume there must have been evidence of breaking protocols.

[matty_f]

The clubs refused to let the board set anything up.

:agree: the clubs voted against it. Not much the SPFL can do in those circumstances other than follow the rules.

[CentreLine]

Assume it will be the same for their two other games in league cup in next week or so effectively knocking them out of the cup. Assume there must have been evidence of breaking protocols.

It was explained on Sportsound last week that any club unable to fulfill their cup fixtures would forfeit the game as a 3-0 defeat. Seems sensible, especially for a cup competition. They went on to say same thing applies non English cup and also EUFA administered cup games

[hibbyfraelibby]

Assume it will be the same for their two other games in league cup in next week or so effectively knocking them out of the cup. Assume there must have been evidence of breaking protocols.

No they just refused to play their available registered players who in the main are 18 or under.

[Juniper Greens]

Doncaster said on the radio at the weekend that "there are training protocols to make sure a whole team doesn't get sidelined like this" and "any team breaking these protocols and missing games will forfeit these games"
Feels like they know killie haven't followed the rules, if so it's fair for them to forfeit. I agree the same should have happened to Aberdeen but I don't think the clubs had agreed rules at that time

[ancient hibee]

Different competitions mean different rules.