Not disgraced

[Pagan Hibernia]

Yes, we were never getting a result after the second goal went in. And the 3-0 when it’s looked at in the history books will suggest a pumping. But I thought there was a lot to be encouraged about today especially clearly in the first half.

any game at parkhead is a bit of a free hit these days given their wealth. The gap has never been bigger between the top team and the rest of us.

We looked dangerous, passed the ball well, and most importantly as far as I’m concerned had a go. We’ll finish third.

[kaimendhibs]

I agree and right before the 3rd goal we were really unlucky not to make it 2-1.


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[Centre Hawf]

I think at times we threatened them in the first half. But we ultimately couldn't compete with them in midfield. We also switched off for their first two goals which you just can't do through there. This game won't define our season.

[thebausburst]

Finishing 3rd is fantasy stuff, realistically hoping to improve on last season but if we’re honest we’re still we’ll behind Aberdeen as is seen almost every time we play and lose to them.

[Pretty Boy]

Individual errors were our real undoing today.

We lost an early goal, competed very well in the 1st half after that. Got the run around a bit in the 2nd half but tried to hang in there. Was annoying to lose the 3rd just after a half decent spell.

We will play worse than that this season and win. In fact we already have at least once.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Finishing 3rd is fantasy stuff, realistically hoping to improve on last season but if we’re honest we’re still we’ll behind Aberdeen as is seen almost every time we play and lose to them.

I really don’t think so. Yes, I know we barely laid a glove on them a couple of weeks ago, but they were wretched against Motherwell last week and in my opinion have been in decline for a couple of years now.

i think to suggest we only need to improve on last seasons 7th place finish (a season that was ruined by three months of heckingbottom) is very pessimistic

[danhibees1875]

I really don’t think so. Yes, I know we barely laid a glove on them a couple of weeks ago, but they were wretched against Motherwell last week and in my opinion have been in decline for a couple of years now.

i think to suggest we only need to improve on last seasons 7th place finish (a season that was ruined by three months of heckingbottom) is very pessimistic

I'd be disappointed not to come 4th at this point.

I don't think Aberdeen are streaks ahead of us either, we should hopefully be challenging them all the way. They're probably marginally better but I don't think there's a great deal in it - we don't have a huge amount of depth though.

[matty_f]

I liked a lot of what i saw in the first half - second half, not so much. On another day, with more composure in front of goal, we’d have taken a lead into half time and who knows how the game would go from there?

[hibee-boys]

Our season will not be defined by results in Glasgow, games at home and everywhere else, yes. Expected nothing from the game so wasn't shocked by the result. Park it and move onto the next one.

[EI255]

Totally agree with the post. We'll be judged on the other games, not the Celtic games.

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[BILLYHIBS]

As others have said not a defining game but disappointed we had no shots on target
( 2 blocked and 7 off target)

Barkas never had a save to make,

Worrying nonetheless

[Stuart93]

As others have said not a defining game but disappointed we had no shots on target
( 2 blocked and 7 off target)

Barkas never had a save to make,

Worrying nonetheless

Not sure I’d describe it as worrying. If we’d have left paisley or hamilton without a shot on target I’d describe that as worrying but Celtic park not so much

[BILLYHIBS]

Not sure I’d describe it as worrying. If we’d have left paisley or hamilton without a shot on target I’d describe that as worrying but Celtic park not so much
Agree but not happy going anywhere without hitting the target in 90 minutes

The Celtic defence can be got at as has been proved in Europe so not invincible

The thread title is ‘Not Disgraced’ I would say not even testing the goalkeeper or forcing him into a save is not good

I am sure Jack Ross would agree with me

[kaimendhibs]

As others have said not a defining game but disappointed we had no shots on target
( 2 blocked and 7 off target)

Barkas never had a save to make,

Worrying nonethelessOn the other hand, how many teams have 9 attempts on goal at Celtc Park. That's a positive for me

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[BILLYHIBS]

On the other hand, how many teams have 9 attempts on goal at Celtc Park. That's a positive for me

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:agree:

After taking two off the invincible The Rangers I expected us to at least score but those that are happy with no shots on target at Darkheid carry on I was probably expecting too much

We move on to Friday

GGTTH

[kaimendhibs]

:agree:

After taking two off the invincible The Rangers I expected us to at least score but those that are happy with no shots on target at Darkheid carry on I was probably expecting too much

We move on to Friday

GGTTHDidn't say I was happy about it but the positives are we made chances.
I also expected us to score and put a bet on us to win.

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[Pretty Boy]

We were nowhere near as bad as some of the reaction on social media, and indeed on here, suggests.

I'm no happy clapper, far from it when crticism is merited. However we were well in the game in the 1st half today and I liked a lot of what I saw. 2nd half was largely disappointing but Celtic were well into their stride and cruising by that point.

I don't have the mentality of 'oh it's Celtic so we should just aceept losing'. Equally though I am realistic enough to know we aren't going to stroll into Celtic Park and dominate possession.

Disappointed today but I'm not particularly angry.

[BILLYHIBS]

Didn't say I was happy about it but the positives are we made chances.
I also expected us to score and put a bet on us to win.

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I always expect us to win even at Darkheid even although someone said on HIBS TV we have only ever won there 16 times ?

I had BTTS but I changed it to >2.5

Anyway I suppose the real point of my post is not a disgrace but not great either gave them too much respect

I do not think this Celtic team are that great but once again we gave Broonie all the time in the world to spray the ball aboot

I still feel this Celtic team are there to be taken maybes at Easter Road saying that they will win the league in a canter as they have more fire power than The Rangers

Still disappointed their goalie never had a save to make- embarrassing !

[The 90+2]

Finishing 3rd is fantasy stuff, realistically hoping to improve on last season but if we’re honest we’re still we’ll behind Aberdeen as is seen almost every time we play and lose to them.


How on earth is it fantasy? :rolleyes:

We are nowhere near miles behind them either. Be a bit more optimistic for crying out loud.

I do think the Semi Final against the Gunts is pivotal for the season and we really, really need to win it. Everything imo should from now build to that game and the shape we play them.

[The 90+2]

As others have said not a defining game but disappointed we had no shots on target
( 2 blocked and 7 off target)

Barkas never had a save to make,

Worrying nonetheless


I've seen us play a lot, lot worse there Billy and I don't think there's much to be worried about after today tbh.

We lost 3-0 to them in 2000 top of the table and didn't lay a glove too. We also lost I think 6-0 over Christmas time a couple of years later. To put into perspective they played very well also.

[BILLYHIBS]

I've seen us play a lot, lot worse there Billy and I don't think there's much to be worried about after today tbh.

We lost 3-0 to them in 2000 top of the table and didn't lay a glove too. We also lost I think 6-0 over Christmas time a couple of years later. To put into perspective they played very well also.
EUREKA!

That was the phrase I was looking for today “ didn’t lay a glove”

You are correct we will probably play like that and win but we must have shots on target though :greengrin

Need to draw a line under today and move on to Friday

Their ball retention second half today was very good

Onwards and upwards

[Bishop Hibee]

I've seen us play a lot, lot worse there Billy and I don't think there's much to be worried about after today tbh.

We lost 3-0 to them in 2000 top of the table and didn't lay a glove too. We also lost I think 6-0 over Christmas time a couple of years later. To put into perspective they played very well also.

The 2000 game was my last visit to Darkheid. We had a great team but Celtc had their best one since the Lisbon Lions. One of the few occasions when the attendance was over 60K at the rebuilt stadium. Quite a few Hibs fans in the Celtc end. The gap has often been too much to bridge unfortunately.

[matty_f]

With respect to the shots on target argument, i think it’s a bit mis-leading as we had a couple great chances where the strikers would usually trouble the goalie. Making a fuss about the no shots on target makes it seem like we didn’t trouble Celtic at all, and that’s really not the case.

[BILLYHIBS]

With respect to the shots on target argument, i think it’s a bit mis-leading as we had a couple great chances where the strikers would usually trouble the goalie. Making a fuss about the no shots on target makes it seem like we didn’t trouble Celtic at all, and that’s really not the case.
Doidge had half a chance that unfortunately he hit over the crossbar

The fact is their goalkeeper never made a save

[The 90+2]

EUREKA!

That was the phrase I was looking for today “ didn’t lay a glove”

You are correct we will probably play like that and win but we must have shots on target though :greengrin

Need to draw a line under today and move on to Friday

Their ball retention second half today was very good

Onwards and upwards


:aok: That's better :greengrin

[Peevemor]

With respect to the shots on target argument, i think it’s a bit mis-leading as we had a couple great chances where the strikers would usually trouble the goalie. Making a fuss about the no shots on target makes it seem like we didn’t trouble Celtic at all, and that’s really not the case.I was going to make the same point. There have been times when a low number of shots on target has been a fair reflection of how we've played, but today wasn't one of them. At times we looked very good going forward.

[The 90+2]

Doidge had half a chance that unfortunately he hit over the crossbar

The fact is their goalkeeper never made a save

Some block by the celtic defender against Nisbet 6 yards out about 2 mins before they scored their third :agree:

[BILLYHIBS]

Some block by the celtic defender against Nisbet 6 yards out about 2 mins before they scored their third :agree:
I’ll give you that :greengrin

[The 90+2]

The 2000 game was my last visit to Darkheid. We had a great team but Celtc had their best one since the Lisbon Lions. One of the few occasions when the attendance was over 60K at the rebuilt stadium. Quite a few Hibs fans in the Celtc end. The gap has often been too much to bridge unfortunately.


That ironically was my first visit there :greengrin again we didn't play bad they just turned up against a side top of the table and put in a performance of the best side in the league should have.

You missed a master class 5 years later mind when we finally pumped them :aok: the game before that 3-1 game we played even better and sure lost. Somehow.

[The 90+2]

I’ll give you that :greengrin

:aok: if that wasn't a defender they are paying £2m for a seasons loan we score. :agree:

[BILLYHIBS]

:aok: if that wasn't a defender they are paying £2m for a seasons loan we score. :agree:

The harsh fact is Flashscores has it is a ‘blocked shot’ that is good enough for me :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

I was going to make the same point. There have been times when a low number of shots on target has been a fair reflection of how we've played, but today wasn't one of them. At times we looked very good going forward.

I’m not so sure we could be described as very good going forward. Got in to good positions but real lack of composure/quality when we had good openings.

I did think we were decent for the first half hour and couldn’t believe we were losing at that point. But the reason we were, for me, was because we weren’t very good going forward, in that we didn’t make the most of our opportunities.

[Peevemor]

I’m not so sure we could be described as very good going forward. Got in to good positions but real lack of composure/quality when we had good openings.

I did think we were decent for the first half hour and couldn’t believe we were losing at that point. But the reason we were, for me, was because we weren’t very good going forward, in that we didn’t make the most of our opportunities.The finishing wasn't great, but going forward (ie. passing out from the back, through midfield and getting the ball into the box), we looked very good at times IMO.

[The 90+2]

The harsh fact is Flashscores has it is a ‘blocked shot’ that is good enough for me :greengrin

😄

[matty_f]

Doidge had half a chance that unfortunately he hit over the crossbar

The fact is their goalkeeper never made a save

Was that our only chance, Billy?

[houstonhibbee]

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Was that our only chance, Billy?

i think we had nine shots just none on target
about 4 or 5 were decent chances

[BILLYHIBS]

Was that our only chance, Billy?

My point is we had 9 attempts 2 blocked 7 missed

We did not work their goalkeeper and he did not make one save

If a team came to Easter Road and never tested our keeper you would think pretty pathetic really almost disgraceful ��

[Greenbeard]

I was going to make the same point. There have been times when a low number of shots on target has been a fair reflection of how we've played, but today wasn't one of them. At times we looked very good going forward.
Agree. I'd far rather our attempts on goal were instinctive efforts aimed to beat the goalie, with the greater risk that you might miss the target, rather than always hit safely on target and more easily saved. You don't win games based on the number of safe attempts on target. Beat the goalie is the name of the game.

[Greenbeard]

My point is we had 9 attempts 2 blocked 7 missed

We did not work their goalkeeper and he did not make one save

If a team came to Easter Toad and never tested our keeper you would think pretty pathetic really almost disgraceful 😃
NO, I'd be seriously questioning the Hibs defence if we allowed a visiting team at Easter Road as many good positions and decent chances as we had y'day.

[BILLYHIBS]

Agree. I'd far rather our attempts on goal were instinctive efforts aimed to beat the goalie, with the greater risk that you might miss the target, rather than always hit safely on target and more easily saved. You don't win games based on the number of safe attempts on target. Beat the goalie is the name of the game.
Agree but to beat the goalie you have to get the ball between the sticks

Am I the only one that expected us to win or at the very least score never mind actually getting a shot on target? :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

NO, I'd be seriously questioning the Hibs defence if we allowed a visiting team at Easter Road as many good positions and decent chances as we had y'day.
Agree I do not think this Celtic team are all that great but they did come onto a game second half

I still cannot believe they were 2-0 up at half time

[matty_f]

Agree but to beat the goalie you have to get the ball between the sticks

Am I the only one that expected us to win or at the very least score never mind actually getting a shot on target? :greengrin

I think you might be the only one that expected us to win.

I thought we had a chance going into the game and was fairly optimistic. We created chances that on another day we’d have scored and actually probably created more against Celtic than most teams will.

[BILLYHIBS]

I think you might be the only one that expected us to win.

I thought we had a chance going into the game and was fairly optimistic. We created chances that on another day we’d have scored and actually probably created more against Celtic than most teams will.

Agree I did not really expect us to win but I thought at the very least we might actually score

The whole point of my post was to provide a counter argument to ‘not disgraced’ as no actual shots on target and a keeper making no saves is pretty poor

I guess after 60 years I am just sick and tired of going to Darkheid and getting our bi-annual doing

I am out - onwards and upwards to Friday

[MWHIBBIES]

My point is we had 9 attempts 2 blocked 7 missed

We did not work their goalkeeper and he did not make one save

If a team came to Easter Road and never tested our keeper you would think pretty pathetic really almost disgraceful ��

No, I'd actually watch the match, judging it on 90 minutes rather than one statistic.

[BILLYHIBS]

No, I'd actually watch the match, judging it on 90 minutes rather than one statistic.
If you are happy to accept that...fair enough

Jack Ross and his team have already moved on

Need to get back in the saddle on Friday

Let’s see what happens?

[MWHIBBIES]

If you are happy to accept that...fair enough

Jack Ross and his team have already moved on

Need to get back in the saddle on Friday

Let’s see what happens?

Oh ffs, no one said they were happy to accept it. That line of thinking is easily among the daftest on here.


"Oh we got beat but you didn't just slaughter the team and call them disgraceful, you must be happy to accept it"

Jack Ross and his team will be reviewing the match today or tomorrow, looking at positive and negative points so no, they haven't moved on. They'll be looking back over it, seeing where we can improve and where we did well, not just saying "no shots on target lads, ****ing disgraceful"

[lucky]

Overall I thought we played ok had a few chances and failed to test their keeper. The gap between the Old Firm and the rest is going be over 25 points by the end of the season. Taking anything of them is a bonus. Our aim is to beat the rest of the clubs to third. Hamilton is a more important game as it’s one we all expect to win

[BILLYHIBS]

Oh ffs, no one said they were happy to accept it. That line of thinking is easily among the daftest on here.


"Oh we got beat but you didn't just slaughter the team and call them disgraceful, you must be happy to accept it"

Jack Ross and his team will be reviewing the match today or tomorrow, looking at positive and negative points so no, they haven't moved on. They'll be looking back over it, seeing where we can improve and where we did well, not just saying "no shots on target lads, ****ing disgraceful"
Jack Ross was quoted on Radio Forth this morning saying they had moved on and were already looking forward to Hamilton

Let’s see what happens? :greengrin

[Carheenlea]

It’s amazing how much quicker you get over a bad result when you’re not there. Following a 3-0 away defeat the mood would have been down and the next few hours a depressing post mortem into why it happened. Instead it was just close YouTube and carry on with doing something else. Was briefly disappointed then forgot all about it - armchair viewing is definitely less stressful!

[Keith_M]

Jack Ross was quoted on Radio Forth this morning saying they had moved on and were already looking forward to Hamilton

Let’s see what happens? :greengrin


I expected us to get beat, but I'm still disappointed that we did. Does that make sense?


I'm also disappointed that we didn't score, or that their goalie was untroubled for 90 minutes. We need to do better than that the next time we play them... or I'm handing my Season Ticket back ;-)

[BILLYHIBS]

I expected us to get beat, but I'm still disappointed that we did. Does that make sense?


I'm also disappointed that we didn't score, or that their goalie was untroubled for 90 minutes. We need to do better than that the next time we play them... or I'm handing my Season Ticket back ;-)

Difficult to argue with any of that

Apart from the ST bit 😃

[Keith_M]

Difficult to argue with any of that

Apart from the ST bit 😃


OK, that was a bit over the top, but I stand by the rest of it.


:wink:

[Killiehibbie]

Positives from yesterday were that we created a few chances just a pity that we couldn't trouble their keeper. A hard job, winning, was made near impossible in the 8th minute.

[The 90+2]

Bills getting a hard time for nothing tbh.

[BILLYHIBS]

Bills getting a hard time for nothing tbh.

Just watching the game for the second time and so far Tam McManus agrees with me

It was a free shot against Celtic you’ve got to have a go and you have got to work the keeper and most importantly you have got to keep the ball

Celtic don’t like crosses into their box either

GGTTH

[Hermit Crab]

On paper a 3-0 scoreline is a humping and people only see the score and think that was easy for Celtic which it was tbf. We got into good positions but never got the little bit of luck on the day combined with a little under par finishing from our forwards. Having no shots on target at Parkhead is a little disappointing but few teams will take points from them there this season except maybe Rangers in a few weeks time. I didn't expect us to win but I did expect us to compete a little better.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just watching the game for the second time and so far Tam McManus agrees with me

It was a free shot against Celtic you’ve got to have a go and you have got to work the keeper and most importantly you have got to keep the ball

Celtic don’t like crosses into their box either

GGTTH

Assume you have written Ross off, like you did with Hecky, for not ''having a go'' against Celtic?


We quite clearly had a go, you are only looking at one statistic and judging everything from it. Would it really make any difference if we had 7 shots on target and still lost 3-0?

[BILLYHIBS]

Assume you have written Ross off, like you did with Hecky, for not ''having a go'' against Celtic?


We quite clearly had a go, you are only looking at one statistic and judging everything from it. Would it really make any difference if we had 7 shots on target and still lost 3-0?

DONT!

That Hecky game in the Scottish Cup still gives me sleepless nights

I can guarantee if Lenny was our Manager that night Celtic were out

There is no way he would have allowed Broonie the freedom of Easter Road

To answer your question YES better to have fought and lost than not have fought at all

Fortune favours the brave

Who knows one might have gone in

We will never know because the keeper was never tested

He looked dodgy first half when he spilled Squirrel’s cross

[matty_f]

DONT!

That Hecky game in the Scottish Cup still gives me sleepless nights

I can guarantee if Lenny was our Manager that night Celtic were out

There is no way he would have allowed Broonie the freedom of Easter Road

To answer your question YES better to have fought and lost than not have fought at all

Fortune favours the brave

Who knows one might have gone in

We will never know because the keeper was never tested

He looked dodgy first half when he spilled Squirrel’s cross

Didn’t we score twice in that semi final?

[BILLYHIBS]

Didn’t we score twice in that semi final?

Naw the one at Easter Road 0-2 one of Hecky’s first games

Hecky thought it was a good idea just to sit back

Scott Brown scored one of the goals IIRC

[MWHIBBIES]

DONT!

That Hecky game in the Scottish Cup still gives me sleepless nights

I can guarantee if Lenny was our Manager that night Celtic were out

There is no way he would have allowed Broonie the freedom of Easter Road

To answer your question YES better to have fought and lost than not have fought at all

Fortune favours the brave

Who knows one might have gone in

We will never know because the keeper was never tested

He looked dodgy first half when he spilled Squirrel’s cross

So, have you written Ross off then? In your mind, hes done exactly what you find so unacceptable.

Mind when ''Lenny'' went to Celtic park off the back of 4 wins, changed the team putting Milligan at centre back and we got pumped 4-2? Hardly won another game until we punted him.

One off matches against celtic, especially away, are not a metric to judge anything. Winning the next 2 league matches before going to Kilmarnock is far more important.

[BILLYHIBS]

So, have you written Ross off then? In your mind, hes done exactly what you find so unacceptable.

Mind when ''Lenny'' went to Celtic park off the back of 4 wins, changed the team putting Milligan at centre back and we got pumped 4-2? Hardly won another game until we punted him.

One off matches against celtic, especially away, are not a metric to judge anything. Winning the next 2 league matches before going to Kilmarnock is far more important.

The only one that has mentioned Jack Ross is you

Once again I have no idea what you are on about ? 😃

[hibsbollah]

I haven’t gone through the thread so it might have been mentioned already, but with the likely fixture congestion coming up and the lack of rest and preparation this summer, teams like us yesterday are probably subconsciously saving energy for the next game when you go 2-0 down. It’s not what you ideally want to see but sort of understandable. I definitely see that with some of the runaway score lines we’ve been seeing in other leagues recently.

A 3-0 defeat isn’t always what it seems; certainly we were competitive from what I saw of the first half.

[matty_f]

Naw the one at Easter Road 0-2 one of Hecky’s first games

Hecky thought it was a good idea just to sit back

Scott Brown scored one of the goals IIRC

:aok: i mis-read it, thought it was the Hamden game just before he got sacked.

[BILLYHIBS]

:aok: i mis-read it, thought it was the Hamden game just before he got sacked.
:aok:

Couldn’t believe it that night we just sat off them

No threat no urgency

No high press :greengrin

[matty_f]

:aok:

Couldn’t believe it that night we just sat off them

No threat no urgency

No high press :greengrin

Now that one WAS a disgrace - far removed from yesterday. One of the most insipid displays I can remember from us.

[jacomo]

Now that one WAS a disgrace - far removed from yesterday. One of the most insipid displays I can remember from us.


I think Hecky’s card was marked by a lot of fans that day.