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yerauldda
13-09-2020, 10:25 AM
Likely to be a similar side to that which started yesterday, though Murphy won’t be able to play. I think we will stick an extra body in midfield.

Marciano
McGinn Porteous Hanlon Doig
Mallan Gogic Newell
Boyle Doidge Nisbet

ahibby
13-09-2020, 11:04 AM
Likely to be a similar side to that which started yesterday, though Murphy won’t be able to play. I think we will stick an extra body in midfield.

Marciano
McGinn Porteous Hanlon Doig
Mallan Gogic Newell
Boyle Doidge Nisbet

Why cant Murphy play didnt think he is on loan?

Sir David Gray
13-09-2020, 11:10 AM
Why cant Murphy play didnt think he is on loan?

He's on loan this season and will sign permanently for next season.

jeffers
13-09-2020, 11:15 AM
Likely to be a similar side to that which started yesterday, though Murphy won’t be able to play. I think we will stick an extra body in midfield.

Marciano
McGinn Porteous Hanlon Doig
Mallan Gogic Newell
Boyle Doidge Nisbet

Ideally we need another midfielder in before Sunday, that midfield would struggle badly IMO with far too much required of Gogic.

gaz1875
13-09-2020, 11:30 AM
Ideally we need another midfielder in before Sunday, that midfield would struggle badly IMO with far too much required of Gogic.

My thoughts too, need a grafter that has pace instead of Mallan, not sure we have anyone?

Tambo
13-09-2020, 12:31 PM
Any news on the injuries rangers picked up yesterday? Hopefully they get a few more on Thursday lol

Robbo6-2
13-09-2020, 12:38 PM
It will be same team with Drey Wright in for murphy

inglisavhibs
13-09-2020, 12:43 PM
It will be same team with Drey Wright in for murphy
Yip, that would make sense.

Iain G
13-09-2020, 12:45 PM
It will be same team with Drey Wright in for murphy

We have the flexibility now to play different systems and to change mid match. Kinda expect him to juggle it a little for next week as we need to make sure we don't get overrun. Or we just go for it 😁

Andy74
13-09-2020, 12:51 PM
Ideally we need another midfielder in before Sunday, that midfield would struggle badly IMO with far too much required of Gogic.

I can’t see us getting a midfielder better than we have that’s going to go straight in to the team to start away to Rangers before next weekend.

andrew70
13-09-2020, 12:52 PM
Think he’ll amend it and go 352 with Mallan/Hallberg in for Murphy. Boyle and Doig wing backs.

Agree we need a new centre mid with dynamism to play alongside Gogic and Newell.

Ryan Jack getting injured is definitely a boost.

Hibernia&Alba
13-09-2020, 01:30 PM
It's a big ask against a flying Rangers team, but we are going well also. It would be good if we could become the first team to score against them this season. Keeping it tight and packing the midfield might be our best chance.

hibbyfraelibby
13-09-2020, 02:36 PM
It will be same team with Drey Wright in for murphy

Agreed. Drey has a bit off steel about him too

Onion
13-09-2020, 03:30 PM
Sadly, the Rangers are playing the best football in the Prem at the moment and are on a mission to win every point, with zero conceded. They know this is their last chance saloon to stop Celtic and they'll fight for every point. This might come down to who wants it most, and who takes their chances. Hibs counter attack is our best weapon as I can't see us controlling midfield. Could be a cracker.

Heisenberg
13-09-2020, 03:33 PM
It will be same team with Drey Wright in for murphy

Hope not. Last time we played 4-4-2 against them at home we got pumped.

mayo hibee
13-09-2020, 03:41 PM
It will be same team with Drey Wright in for murphy

We'll get overrun if we do that. Need to be pragmatic with this one. I think Jack Ross is too cautious/sensible a manager to go for a straight 4-4-2 with two wingers at Ibrox.

oneone73
13-09-2020, 03:41 PM
We'll get overrun if we do that. Need to be pragmatic with this one. I think Jack Ross is too cautious/sensible a manager to go for a straight 4-4-2 with two wingers at Ibrox.

It's not at Ibrox.

Mr mirror
13-09-2020, 03:45 PM
Is the not playing a loaned player against the parent club a spl rule or just an agreement between the clubs?
Also what is the thinking behind loan now and buy next year ?

Hibernia&Alba
13-09-2020, 03:48 PM
It's not at Ibrox.

So does that mean they will only get the one penalty, rather than two or three? :greengrin

Green Reaper
13-09-2020, 03:59 PM
Is the not playing a loaned player against the parent club a spl rule or just an agreement between the clubs?
Also what is the thinking behind loan now and buy next year ?

I believe it is a league rule. As for the loan now, buy later, probably what the huns wanted so he can play against cltc but not against them, hoping other teams will take points of celtic

bingo70
13-09-2020, 04:13 PM
I’d bring in Allan for Murphy, he normally plays well against them.

Start him on the left but give him license to drift infield when it suits him, could really help him pick up the wee pockets of space he doesn’t get when playing on the centre. Same option could be applied for Mallan.

Newell would have to put a shift in to protect Doig though.

AlbertK86
13-09-2020, 05:03 PM
Think he’ll amend it and go 352 with Mallan/Hallberg in for Murphy. Boyle and Doig wing backs.

Agree we need a new centre mid with dynamism to play alongside Gogic and Newell.

Ryan Jack getting injured is definitely a boost.

Agree we’ll go 3-5-2 and I reckon Hallberg in for Murphy


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Billy Whizz
13-09-2020, 05:07 PM
Agree we’ll go 3-5-2 and I reckon Hallberg in for Murphy


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I’m sure jack will have a plan, as Tavernier and Barisic play so high up the park, almost as wingers

J-C
13-09-2020, 05:25 PM
He may go 352 but Rangers play with wide players and wingbacks, we need 3 in the middle to compete and 2 wide men to take care of their wingbacks, 433/451 for me.

04Sauzee
13-09-2020, 05:47 PM
Don Robertson is the Referee on Sunday

scoopyboy
13-09-2020, 05:51 PM
Agree we’ll go 3-5-2 and I reckon Hallberg in for Murphy


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Playing Hallberg is the last thing we want to do in my opinion.

3pm
13-09-2020, 06:19 PM
It won't happen but I wouldn't mind seeing Doig playing on the wing in front of Lewis.

supermcginn
13-09-2020, 06:48 PM
Agree we’ll go 3-5-2 and I reckon Hallberg in for Murphy


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Would rather play anyone rather than him. Complete passenger.

S4uzee
13-09-2020, 07:18 PM
I’d bring in Allan for Murphy, he normally plays well against them.

Start him on the left but give him license to drift infield when it suits him, could really help him pick up the wee pockets of space he doesn’t get when playing on the centre. Same option could be applied for Mallan.

Newell would have to put a shift in to protect Doig though.

I don’t think we can afford to play Allan against Celtic/Rangers, their midfield is just too strong to have him in there

Smartie
13-09-2020, 07:20 PM
I don’t think we can afford to play Allan against Celtic/Rangers, their midfield is just too strong to have him in there

Ideally we wouldn’t, but we’re not exactly overflowing with alternatives with Murphy out.

Northernhibee
13-09-2020, 08:25 PM
Rocky

McGinn
Porto
Hanlon
Doig

Boyle
Gogic
Newell
Wright

Doidge
Nisbet

JammyDoidger
13-09-2020, 11:08 PM
Rocky

Boyle
Mcginn
Porteous
Hanlon
Doig

Irvine/Kayal:rolleyes:
Gogic
Newell

Nisbet
Doidge

DetroitHibs
14-09-2020, 04:11 AM
Was watching the 5-1 cup final win against Killie the other day. Stevenson in the middle might not be a bad shout.

flash
14-09-2020, 07:31 AM
Was watching the 5-1 cup final win against Killie the other day. Stevenson in the middle might not be a bad shout.

That was 13 years ago to be fair.

Brightside
14-09-2020, 07:37 AM
Can we stop the Stevenson in midfield chat. It’s not happening. We have about 8 players ahead of him for that role.

number9dream
14-09-2020, 08:41 AM
He may go 352 but Rangers play with wide players and wingbacks, we need 3 in the middle to compete and 2 wide men to take care of their wingbacks, 433/451 for me.

It will be interesting to see what JR comes up with. Will he drop one of the strikers? If so, which one? I don't see any merit in pushing Nisbet out wide.
Doidge is more experienced, works so hard and plays a key role in defending set-pieces, but, at the moment, Nisbet looks more likely to tuck away a chance.
Allan or Mallan and Wright in for a striker & Murphy might help us retain the ball a bit longer but it might not be enough to make a difference against an in-form Rangers.
Kamara in for Jack and Arfield in for Barker / Aribo doesn't weaken them much.
Most sides this season have simply packed their defence and hoped for the best against Rangers - and then been blown away.
I'd like to see Wright and Boyle get at their full-backs but we need the ball first.
A real test for our improved defence lies ahead and Porteous cannot afford any lapses of judgement (I still can't get over how crazy that handball was).
Roll on the weekend...

S4uzee
14-09-2020, 08:43 AM
Jack Ross will need to get this right as the diamond against them pre Christmas was a disaster

B.H.F.C
14-09-2020, 09:14 AM
Jack Ross will need to get this right as the diamond against them pre Christmas was a disaster

He did seem to learn from that when we played them at Ibrox in February. We were unlucky that losing a goal right before half time changed the game completely. That said, the whole second half was then played in our half.

In that game, and it was the same when we played Celtic before Christmas last year, the likes of Boyle spent the whole game running back the way (think Boyle ended up playing left wing back against Celtic to try and match Frimpong).

Hopefully with a defence that seems more trustworthy, and some genuine protection from Gogic, we can let get our attacking players running the other way this time.

Smartie
14-09-2020, 10:08 AM
Can we stop the Stevenson in midfield chat. It’s not happening. We have about 8 players ahead of him for that role.

I get what you're saying but I think we're all quite anxious about the dilemma facing Ross in picking a midfield for this match.

To get a result against Rangers we'll need to (at least) match their energy in midfield and make tackles. How many of these 8 players have Stevenson's energy? How many of them are stronger in the tackle? How many of them have played more games in midfield than him for us (albeit his have been spread over a very long period of time)? Also, the very valid reason against playing Lewis in midfield was always that he was needed at LB - that isn't the case right now.

I don't necessarily think it's the answer but short of bringing new blood in ahead of the game on Sunday I'm struggling to think of a better one. Stevenson and Gogic sitting in and snarling, Newell given a bit of freedom to get further forward - is it that bad an idea?

Vault Boy
14-09-2020, 10:16 AM
Wright for Murphy because of his ineligibility. Rest of the team have earned their start IMO.

flash
14-09-2020, 10:19 AM
I get what you're saying but I think we're all quite anxious about the dilemma facing Ross in picking a midfield for this match.

To get a result against Rangers we'll need to (at least) match their energy in midfield and make tackles. How many of these 8 players have Stevenson's energy? How many of them are stronger in the tackle? How many of them have played more games in midfield than him for us (albeit his have been spread over a very long period of time)? Also, the very valid reason against playing Lewis in midfield was always that he was needed at LB - that isn't the case right now.

I don't necessarily think it's the answer but short of bringing new blood in ahead of the game on Sunday I'm struggling to think of a better one. Stevenson and Gogic sitting in and snarling, Newell given a bit of freedom to get further forward - is it that bad an idea?
He can't get in the team at his own position never mind one he hasn't played in years.

Smartie
14-09-2020, 10:35 AM
He can't get in the team at his own position never mind one he hasn't played in years.

He's got a good player, well suited to the role of LB ahead of him there right now.

We don't have many people better suited to playing CM than him right now.

Not saying it's an ideal option but how often has Lewis Stevenson had a challenge like that thrown down to him and he's not risen to it?

Since452
14-09-2020, 10:38 AM
Wright for Murphy because of his ineligibility. Rest of the team have earned their start IMO.

Agreed

BoomtownHibees
14-09-2020, 11:51 AM
I’d like to see a change to the shape as I don’t think we are good enough to go with just 2 in the middle of the park. I would like us to keep 2 strikers so I’d go 3-5-2

JimBHibees
14-09-2020, 12:08 PM
Think we will only play one up. Important against Rangers to limit or double up in wide areas. Think Wright will come in for Murphy and possibly Nisbet as an attacking mid or possibly Mallan in that role with Nisbet on the bench, Allan also a possibility however think we need legs in that area. Looks like Jack will be out who is a key player. Need to compete then score on the break.

Brightside
14-09-2020, 12:30 PM
I get what you're saying but I think we're all quite anxious about the dilemma facing Ross in picking a midfield for this match.

To get a result against Rangers we'll need to (at least) match their energy in midfield and make tackles. How many of these 8 players have Stevenson's energy? How many of them are stronger in the tackle? How many of them have played more games in midfield than him for us (albeit his have been spread over a very long period of time)? Also, the very valid reason against playing Lewis in midfield was always that he was needed at LB - that isn't the case right now.

I don't necessarily think it's the answer but short of bringing new blood in ahead of the game on Sunday I'm struggling to think of a better one. Stevenson and Gogic sitting in and snarling, Newell given a bit of freedom to get further forward - is it that bad an idea?

I'd have Ben Stirling in there before Stevenson... But i actually dont think he will change much from what he played at the weekend. You cannot win by playing behind the ball v Rangers. The only chance we have a getting a result is pushing them up the pitch. If we end up changing to wingbacks etc those wingbacks will spend the whole game defending and it will only be a matter of time until we lose goals. We just need to ensure we score more goals than them. :greengrin

Edinburgh Green
14-09-2020, 12:59 PM
I'd have Ben Stirling in there before Stevenson... But i actually dont think he will change much from what he played at the weekend. You cannot win by playing behind the ball v Rangers. The only chance we have a getting a result is pushing them up the pitch. If we end up changing to wingbacks etc those wingbacks will spend the whole game defending and it will only be a matter of time until we lose goals. We just need to ensure we score more goals than them. :greengrin

Exactly, the reason we have had so much joy over the old firm in recent years over say an Aberdeen is we have had a go at them where as Aberdeen have tried to contain them.

Unseen work
14-09-2020, 01:15 PM
Stevenson hasn’t played centre mid for years yet think he’d be able to seamlessly slot back into a centre mid position against rangers :confused: Too much fifa thinking going on.

Smartie
14-09-2020, 02:06 PM
Stevenson hasn’t played centre mid for years yet think he’d be able to seamlessly slot back into a centre mid position against rangers :confused: Too much fifa thinking going on.

Yeah, but who is going to slot in seamlessly?

Ben Stirling, who hasn't started a game for us before?

We've got 10 players who essentially pick themselves into either a 352 or 451 formation. That final, tricky player is key to the whole thing, and we look good if that 11th player is a particular type of player (the type of player Lewis Stevenson once was and might still be, depending on opinion).

scoopyboy
14-09-2020, 05:10 PM
He's got a good player, well suited to the role of LB ahead of him there right now.

We don't have many people better suited to playing CM than him right now.

Not saying it's an ideal option but how often has Lewis Stevenson had a challenge like that thrown down to him and he's not risen to it?

Not the time to experiment with Lewis in midfield, League Cup ties would be a better option than against a high flying Rangers.

Sammy7nil
14-09-2020, 09:10 PM
Hibs 7/1 or 11/1 Ht - Ft 🧐

Speedy
14-09-2020, 09:43 PM
Hibs 7/1 or 11/1 Ht - Ft 🧐

11/2 to be leading at half time

number9dream
18-09-2020, 03:46 PM
Fear will we be overrun with the two big lads up front and potentially isolated.

Rocky
McGinn Porteous Hanlon
Wright Hallberg Gogic Newell Doig
Boyle Doidge


Nisbet can come on for the last half hour and bang in the winner.
Doidge gets the nod for his defensive duties on set pieces and Boyle can bomb about in a free role.
Hallberg wouldn't be first choice but offers a bit more dig than Mallan.

JammyDoidger
18-09-2020, 03:58 PM
Rocky

Mcginn
Porteous
Hanlon

Boyle
Newell
Gogic
Stevenson
Doig

Doidge
Nisbet

Don't rate Hallberg, not sure it's the game for Mallan. Throw stevenson in the middle of the park to give us a bit more dig, energy and much needed experience.

Unseen work
18-09-2020, 04:04 PM
..................Marciano...............

McGinn.....Porteous.....Hanlon.....Doig..

...........Gogic.............Newell.....

Boyle...........Mallan..............Nisbet.......

....................Doig.........


Nisbet playing a bit out of position but nothing he’s not capable of imo and I think he’d terrorise Tavernier with his physicality and direct approach. Would be look for it to be much more of a 433 than 451 but obviously defensive duties need to be done so we don’t get overrun.

Either that team or a 442 with Wright in for Mallan and push Nisbet up top.

352 for me allows rangers far too much joy in the wide areas as Kent and whoever else is on the wing tuck in so our 3 centre half’s would be man marking their front 3. They would then get so much joy from midfield runners and wingbacks bombing on.

442 is risky as they’ll have the extra man in midfield which would cause a lot of issues but 2 up top and attacking wingers would really trouble them.

HendoDelivered
18-09-2020, 04:04 PM
Marciano

McGinn
Porto
Hanlon

Boyle
S. McGinn/Hallberg
Goga
Newell
Doig

Nisbet
Doidge

Since452
18-09-2020, 04:06 PM
I wouldn't be playing two up front against Rangers. They'd over run us. I'd pack the midfield and try and stop them getting any service to the strikers. Gerrard knows it too and mentioned us being dangerous playing two up front in his press conference. Reverse phycology there.

JimBHibees
18-09-2020, 05:01 PM
..................Marciano...............

McGinn.....Porteous.....Hanlon.....Doig..

...........Gogic.............Newell.....

Boyle...........Mallan..............Nisbet.......

....................Doig.........


Nisbet playing a bit out of position but nothing he’s not capable of imo and I think he’d terrorise Tavernier with his physicality and direct approach. Would be look for it to be much more of a 433 than 451 but obviously defensive duties need to be done so we don’t get overrun.

Either that team or a 442 with Wright in for Mallan and push Nisbet up top.

352 for me allows rangers far too much joy in the wide areas as Kent and whoever else is on the wing tuck in so our 3 centre half’s would be man marking their front 3. They would then get so much joy from midfield runners and wingbacks bombing on.

442 is risky as they’ll have the extra man in midfield which would cause a lot of issues but 2 up top and attacking wingers would really trouble them.

Think it will be a 451 or 4231 hoping to win the ball and break quick. Wright possibly in for Nisbet on the left.

JimBHibees
18-09-2020, 05:13 PM
I wouldn't be playing two up front against Rangers. They'd over run us. I'd pack the midfield and try and stop them getting any service to the strikers. Gerrard knows it too and mentioned us being dangerous playing two up front in his press conference. Reverse phycology there.

Agree with that pack the middle and double up wide and break quick. Need to be much more difficult to play against than we were in our last home game against them. Livingston dealt with them well and limited them to very few chances and hopefully we could win the ball and break better than they did and be a threat. Stay in the game is the first priority imo.

CMurdoch
18-09-2020, 06:48 PM
Marciano

McGinn
Porteous
Hanlon
Doig

Boyle
Hallberg
Gogic
Newell
Wright

Doidge

Lots of hard work for our centre forward. Hopefully Boyle can get to his side when we break.

B.H.F.C
18-09-2020, 06:54 PM
Personally think it would be madness not to start with Dodge and Nisbet. We’re much better with the two of them together. If we go with Doidge up top on his own, or as part of a three depending on how you view it, we’d basically be matching them up. They’ve got the better players so I’d try to avoid that and give them something different to think about.

Since452
18-09-2020, 07:01 PM
Agree with that pack the middle and double up wide and break quick. Need to be much more difficult to play against than we were in our last home game against them. Livingston dealt with them well and limited them to very few chances and hopefully we could win the ball and break better than they did and be a threat. Stay in the game is the first priority imo.

Exactly how I see it

Is It On....
18-09-2020, 07:05 PM
The team formerly known as Rangers (amongst other things) were liquidated a number of years ago so technically we are playing Sevco 2012 / The Rangers.