Joe Newell

[Percy Vere]

I thought Newell looked much more like the player we were seeing last season today. Ross obviously likes him and has persisted in playing him despite his performances not being as good as before.
Let’s hope he kicks on from this mom performance.

[hibbysam]

I thought Newell looked much more like the player we were seeing last season today. Ross obviously likes him and has persisted in playing him despite his performances not being as good as before.
Let’s hope he kicks on from this mom performance.

It’s a myth that his performances weren’t good. He was playing the role hes been asked to play, sitting deep and popping the ball about. Ross said himself that he asked him to be more adventurous yesterday. A very good footballer that we’re lucky to have.

[Ozyhibby]

He looks amazing against really bad midfields but up against a combative midfield he wilts.


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[B.H.F.C]

It’s a myth that his performances weren’t good. He was playing the role hes been asked to play, sitting deep and popping the ball about. Ross said himself that he asked him to be more adventurous yesterday. A very good footballer that we’re lucky to have.

I don’t think there was any myth about his recent performances. He, and we, were poor. Yesterday he, and we, were much better. We need to see more of that from Newell. It was the first time in a few weeks that he influenced the game, not just because he scored, but actually taking the ball and passing it forward.

[superfurryhibby]

I don’t think there was any myth about his recent performances. He, and we, were poor. Yesterday he, and we, were much better. We need to see more of that from Newell. It was the first time in a few weeks that he influenced the game, not just because he scored, but actually taking the ball and passing it forward.

Next week will be a big test for Newell (and the rest). Can he influence a game in adversity, compete against players who are better and more able and still drive the team forwards? Hibs need to be dynamic, willing to take the game to Rangers and we need the men in midfield to have an influence on the play. Newell has a great chance to demonstrate why he should be a first pick.

[Col2]

Midfield had much better balance.

Gogic is just a the perfect fit for us, allows Newel to dictate from deep and come forward and Murphy comes inside and looks more effective than Horgan. Boyle continues to get into great positions in attack.

Against a stronger midfield (like Aberdeen) it was no surprise we lacked any influence as up against McCrorie and Ferguson.

We still need another CM.

[MWHIBBIES]

He looks amazing against really bad midfields but up against a combative midfield he wilts.


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Wilts is a laughable exaggeration. The whole team struggled without 2 key players against Aberdeen.

[Ozyhibby]

Wilts is a laughable exaggeration. The whole team struggled without 2 key players against Aberdeen.

It’s not just Aberdeen though is it?


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[MWHIBBIES]

It’s not just Aberdeen though is it?


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This season, yes. Motherwell was far more to do with forwards not holding it imo. In both these games we have missed excellent chances that would have enabled us to take control. Our midfield hasn't wilted at all this season. Been poor or outplayed maybe, not wilted. You'll have a rough time signing anyone who won't have tough games against the better sides. Even Mcginn wasn't always perfect.

Next week is a big test.

[hibbysam]

This season, yes. Motherwell was far more to do with forwards not holding it imo. In both these games we have missed excellent chances that would have enabled us to take control. Our midfield hasn't wilted at all this season. Been poor or outplayed maybe, not wilted. You'll have a rough time signing anyone who won't have tough games against the better sides. Even Mcginn wasn't always perfect.

Next week is a big test.

Motherwell was also to do with them having 3 against our 2, and their three were excellent players, one of which has just moved for £3m. You can’t afford to do that. Our problem against Aberdeen was the fact our front 4 were off it massively, and our full backs never got high and supported.

[The Modfather]

This season, yes. Motherwell was far more to do with forwards not holding it imo. In both these games we have missed excellent chances that would have enabled us to take control. Our midfield hasn't wilted at all this season. Been poor or outplayed maybe, not wilted. You'll have a rough time signing anyone who won't have tough games against the better sides. Even Mcginn wasn't always perfect.

Next week is a big test.

Is wilted not just another adjective for outplayed/dominated/lost the midfield battle?

I didn’t see the game yesterday but sounds like he had a good game. My only caution would be that we’ve been here before and he’s quickly gone back to being ineffective in the next few games. As well as the fact we played one of the poorer teams in the league who it sounds like they sat off us and tried to play football.

Over his whole time I’ve still to be convinced he’s good enough/consistent enough to be a mainstay of the midfield and not an excellent squad player.

[Callum_62]

I wouldnt be adverse to have a midfield 3 that contained Newell

Hypothetically

Gogic

Alan Campbell. joe newell

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[theonlywayisup]

Can we not just enjoy what was a very good performance by him yesterday? Far too many appear willing to knock him down or build him up - what next he'll be compared to either a Brian Kerr or a Kaka.

He's shown glimpses of play that would make you think he would perform well in the English Championship, but then at times he looks like he would struggle in the English Conference (or whatever it's called today). I suppose that's why he's at Hibs.

Let's hope he continues his good form from yesterday in the next two games against the Old Firm.

[Robbo6-2]

Can we not just enjoy what was a very good performance by him yesterday? Far too many appear willing to knock him down or build him up - what next he'll be compared to either a Brian Kerr or a Kaka.

He's shown glimpses of play that would make you think he would perform well in the English Championship, but then at times he looks like he would struggle in the English Conference (or whatever it's called today). I suppose that's why he's at Hibs.

Let's hope he continues his good form from yesterday in the next two games against the Old Firm.

Agree, generally hes had a good start to the season and hopefully more to come.

Was that his first competitive goal?

[JimBHibees]

Thought he had a great game. Difference imo with Gogic and Murphy in midfield and 2 forwards to hit. Brilliant finish for second goal.

[Percy Vere]

Agree, generally hes had a good start to the season and hopefully more to come.

Was that his first competitive goal?

This season I think so

[Percy Vere]

Thought he had a great game. Difference imo with Gogic and Murphy in midfield and 2 forwards to hit. Brilliant finish for second goal.

It’s a team game and I think you’re bang on.
Better balance and great to have Nisbet back.
He just seems like the sort of player that whenever he gets the ball you feel something good could happen.
Also think Doidge work ethic is outstanding. Tireless for the team.

[Callum_62]

Interesting after match from Ross saying its getting him to believe and perform like that week in week out

[Percy Vere]

It’s a myth that his performances weren’t good. He was playing the role hes been asked to play, sitting deep and popping the ball about. Ross said himself that he asked him to be more adventurous yesterday. A very good footballer that we’re lucky to have.

Disagree that he wasn’t playing well. Think he has been short of match fitness and confidence. You maybe right that he was being asked to do a role that limited his performance. Hope he keeps it up.

[007]

Agree, generally hes had a good start to the season and hopefully more to come.

Was that his first competitive goal?

It was his 1st league goal. Scored in League Cup last year v Elgin.

[The Captain....]

Thought Newell either found or to some extent was given more time and space to play yesterday and took advantage with a good performance.

He's failed to shine against the better sides mostly so hopefully he'll turn up against the hun next week. No room for passengers in that one.





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[sean04]

I think gogic is really important for newell, let’s him be more free and express himself more

[jeffers]

Interesting that JR is challenging him to be more consistent, because that’s undoubtedly been his big problem IMO. I thought he was very poor in the previous few games, but put in consistent performances like he did yesterday and I’d look to offer him a new deal. Be interesting to see how he does in the next few games because he won’t be afforded the time on the ball he was yesterday.

[theonlywayisup]

Interesting that JR is challenging him to be more consistent, because that’s undoubtedly been his big problem IMO. I thought he was very poor in the previous few games, but put in consistent performances like he did yesterday and I’d look to offer him a new deal. Be interesting to see how he does in the next few games because he won’t be afforded the time on the ball he was yesterday.

In those games that you think he's been very poor, how did the rest of the team play?

I think that we all agree that the whole team hasn't been performing that well in a creative sense. Is that Newell's fault, when it's a team game.

It was interesting that last night I watched the highlights of the Hibs 4 - Aberdeen 1 SC Replay from 2007 and thought "we don't have someone like Scott Brown, who takes control of the midfield and drives us forward against the good teams". Let's be honest, we've not had many players like that over the years since.

Then I reflected that Brown was playing alongside Thomson, Stewart and Boozy in midfield. He had Sproule and Fletcher ahead of him and Benji when he came on at half-time. He had Murphy and Whittaker at full back and the reliable central defence of Jones and Hogg. The rest of the team allowed him to play the way he did.

It's a team game. Newell played well when the team was dominant. He's played poorly when the team is playing poorly. If he was reliably able to single-handily drag Hibs from playing poorly to getting a result, he probably won't be at Hibs much longer.

[Percy Vere]

In those games that you think he's been very poor, how did the rest of the team play?

I think that we all agree that the whole team hasn't been performing that well in a creative sense. Is that Newell's fault, when it's a team game.

It was interesting that last night I watched the highlights of the Hibs 4 - Aberdeen 1 SC Replay from 2007 and thought "we don't have someone like Scott Brown, who takes control of the midfield and drives us forward against the good teams". Let's be honest, we've not had many players like that over the years since.

Then I reflected that Brown was playing alongside Thomson, Stewart and Boozy in midfield. He had Sproule and Fletcher ahead of him and Benji when he came on at half-time. He had Murphy and Whittaker at full back and the reliable central defence of Jones and Hogg. The rest of the team allowed him to play the way he did.

It's a team game. Newell played well when the team was dominant. He's played poorly when the team is playing poorly. If he was reliably able to single-handily drag Hibs from playing poorly to getting a result, he probably won't be at Hibs much longer.

That was a good team. You forget, usually because we don’t get to hold onto great teams for very long. You’re right of course it’s a team game but it’s interesting how well he does when the formation and the form is right.
We still need a midfielder who bosses the play and takes the team forward.

[jeffers]

In those games that you think he's been very poor, how did the rest of the team play?

I think that we all agree that the whole team hasn't been performing that well in a creative sense. Is that Newell's fault, when it's a team game.

It was interesting that last night I watched the highlights of the Hibs 4 - Aberdeen 1 SC Replay from 2007 and thought "we don't have someone like Scott Brown, who takes control of the midfield and drives us forward against the good teams". Let's be honest, we've not had many players like that over the years since.

Then I reflected that Brown was playing alongside Thomson, Stewart and Boozy in midfield. He had Sproule and Fletcher ahead of him and Benji when he came on at half-time. He had Murphy and Whittaker at full back and the reliable central defence of Jones and Hogg. The rest of the team allowed him to play the way he did.

It's a team game. Newell played well when the team was dominant. He's played poorly when the team is playing poorly. If he was reliably able to single-handily drag Hibs from playing poorly to getting a result, he probably won't be at Hibs much longer.

Defence aside no they probably didn’t, but this thread is about Joe Newell not his team mates. Playing poorly isn’t a one off for Joe Newell, look at threads from last season where albeit he was played wide, there was a lot of criticism for his performances.

I agree it’s a team game and players complement each other, hopefully allowing them to do what they do best. However that’s not to say a player can be excused a poor performance just because those around them are having a bad game. There has been similar chat that McGeouch and Allan only did as well because they had SJM beside them, but McGeouch will always do what McGeouch does regardless of those around them and in Allan’s case something isn’t clicking with him at present, players playing well beside him won’t make much of a difference to that IMO.

[EI255]

Sky's MOTM yesterday.

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[lord bunberry]

He needs to find a bit more consistency in his game, at times he’s looked brilliant and at others he’s been ineffective. He plays in a position that’s pivotal to how we play and if he’s not on it we struggle.

[tonyrougier123]

Pirlo Newell 👌.
Can sometimes look majestic the way he floats around the park,but I’m always conflicted by joe.need to see more games like Livvy and yesterday to say he’s an out and out player.I love the days when he’s pinging passes and whipping crosses.not so much the days when he plays the ball backwards constantly,keeps his stats tidy but doesn’t drive the team forward when we are in the thick of the harder games,we need that and lack that in midfield.
Still a player who I like ,and seems to be growing at hibs.
Hope he stays beyond next summer and kicks on.a lot to play for this season Though , and joe will be key to how much we can achieve I feel.
Seems a top lad as well.

[J-C]

Newell like many others that have been here suffer from inconsistency, if they didn't they'd be nowhere near us. It's all about trying to make them better and more consistent if possible.

[Smartie]

Newell needs a big performance against a decent team to prove a few of us wrong. Decent opportunity for him next week then.

It’s a tough one to know how to approach with what/ who we’ve got. Rangers have been a bit like kryptonite to us in recent years - their strengths have horribly exposed our weaknesses. They’re strong and very mobile from middle to front where we’ve been slow and weak - pre-Gogic. He’ll be in his element and had some really strong performances against them for Hamilton. I’m still convinced they’re vulnerable at the back, so it’s a tricky balance between countering their attacking threat with focussing on carrying a threat of your own.

I’m tempted by the idea of 352, all the usual suspects then a middle 3 of Gogic, Newell and Allan. The 2 strikers, Allan, Newell and Boyle carry a very decent threat and I always want to see Hibs attack. Does it have enough defensively though, do we just get bullied and overrun in the middle?

[hibbysam]

Newell needs a big performance against a decent team to prove a few of us wrong. Decent opportunity for him next week then.

It’s a tough one to know how to approach with what/ who we’ve got. Rangers have been a bit like kryptonite to us in recent years - their strengths have horribly exposed our weaknesses. They’re strong and very mobile from middle to front where we’ve been slow and weak - pre-Gogic. He’ll be in his element and had some really strong performances against them for Hamilton. I’m still convinced they’re vulnerable at the back, so it’s a tricky balance between countering their attacking threat with focussing on carrying a threat of your own.

I’m tempted by the idea of 352, all the usual suspects then a middle 3 of Gogic, Newell and Allan. The 2 strikers, Allan, Newell and Boyle carry a very decent threat and I always want to see Hibs attack. Does it have enough defensively though, do we just get bullied and overrun in the middle?

A team who hasn’t conceded a goal in 7 games this season ‘vulnerable’ at the back...

[Andy74]

A team who hasn’t conceded a goal in 7 games this season ‘vulnerable’ at the back...

Yes it is a bit of a thankless task if playing a Rangers team that hasn’t lost a goal in 7 games as his chance to prove anything.

[The Modfather]

Yes it is a bit of a thankless task if playing a Rangers team that hasn’t lost a goal in 7 games as his chance to prove anything.

It’s not a free hot either though for Newell just because it’s against an in form Rangers. Win, lose or draw there’s no reason he can’t or shouldn’t follow up a good performance with another to show it’s not just the pooorer teams he can flourish against.

[Northernhibee]

Newell needs a big performance against a decent team to prove a few of us wrong. Decent opportunity for him next week then.

It’s a tough one to know how to approach with what/ who we’ve got. Rangers have been a bit like kryptonite to us in recent years - their strengths have horribly exposed our weaknesses. They’re strong and very mobile from middle to front where we’ve been slow and weak - pre-Gogic. He’ll be in his element and had some really strong performances against them for Hamilton. I’m still convinced they’re vulnerable at the back, so it’s a tricky balance between countering their attacking threat with focussing on carrying a threat of your own.

I’m tempted by the idea of 352, all the usual suspects then a middle 3 of Gogic, Newell and Allan. The 2 strikers, Allan, Newell and Boyle carry a very decent threat and I always want to see Hibs attack. Does it have enough defensively though, do we just get bullied and overrun in the middle?

Wouldn’t have Allan anywhere near the first 11 just now, our best performances have been without him.

[Smartie]

A team who hasn’t conceded a goal in 7 games this season ‘vulnerable’ at the back...

Who have they played of any substance? And who has tried to have a go at them? It’s all been weaker teams they’ve played, everyone has tried to defend against them, with varying levels of success.

Just my opinion but I think they’re excellent in midfield, out wide and up front. I think they might be vulnerable if teams had the desire or ability to find out - and we’ve got 4 or 5 players with that required ability.

[Smartie]

Wouldn’t have Allan anywhere near the first 11 just now, our best performances have been without him.

They have, but this is a different sort of game.

I’m not totally convinced by him at the moment but neither am I convinced by our alternatives.

[Smartie]

Yes it is a bit of a thankless task if playing a Rangers team that hasn’t lost a goal in 7 games as his chance to prove anything.

It’s an outstanding opportunity to prove you’re good enough to achieve something that the previous 7 teams couldn’t, and I hope the players are well up for it.

Ultimately consistent results like yesterday’s will shape our season but I’d hope Newell can be a bit more arsed about turning up than it appears some of our fans are.

[Clarence]

It’s not a free hot either though for Newell just because it’s against an in form Rangers. Win, lose or draw there’s no reason he can’t or shouldn’t follow up a good performance with another to show it’s not just the pooorer teams he can flourish against.

Ken. Hate it when people talk about it being a free hit against the old firm. Players might draw confidence / lose confidence depending on their performance against the old firm, which will affect future performances. Of course games against the old firm matter.

[Winston Ingram]

He looks amazing against really bad midfields but up against a combative midfield he wilts.


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I think they played 442 which helped

[Northernhibee]

They have, but this is a different sort of game.

I’m not totally convinced by him at the moment but neither am I convinced by our alternatives.

The issue is that when we have the ball we need to do something with it and so far this season Allan has looked incapable with consistently finding teammates with a pass.

[hibbysam]

It’s an outstanding opportunity to prove you’re good enough to achieve something that the previous 7 teams couldn’t, and I hope the players are well up for it.

Ultimately consistent results like yesterday’s will shape our season but I’d hope Newell can be a bit more arsed about turning up than it appears some of our fans are.

It would be an achievement to score and get a result against them. They aren’t weak or vulnerable in defence, they’ve got a quality goalkeeper and very good centre halves. They don’t have to defend much because they are much stronger than everyone else. We will be setting up not to lose, be solid and with a counter attacking threat, there’s no other way to play them. Thankfully we have the players to play like that, but it’ll mean Newell will be back to his deeper role beside Gogic and the majority of the game will be played without the ball. Gone are the days where we are arguably as good or better than them toe to toe.

[Andy74]

It’s not a free hot either though for Newell just because it’s against an in form Rangers. Win, lose or draw there’s no reason he can’t or shouldn’t follow up a good performance with another to show it’s not just the pooorer teams he can flourish against.

My point was that some are looking at a game v Rangers for him to somehow prove he has what it takes. We wouldn’t be the first team this year to struggle against them and those that are going to be judging Newell on it will have a nice easy opportunity to tell us all that he’s actually not very good after all.

[HendoDelivered]

New contract please.

[LeithMike]

In those games that you think he's been very poor, how did the rest of the team play?

I think that we all agree that the whole team hasn't been performing that well in a creative sense. Is that Newell's fault, when it's a team game.

It was interesting that last night I watched the highlights of the Hibs 4 - Aberdeen 1 SC Replay from 2007 and thought "we don't have someone like Scott Brown, who takes control of the midfield and drives us forward against the good teams". Let's be honest, we've not had many players like that over the years since.

Then I reflected that Brown was playing alongside Thomson, Stewart and Boozy in midfield. He had Sproule and Fletcher ahead of him and Benji when he came on at half-time. He had Murphy and Whittaker at full back and the reliable central defence of Jones and Hogg. The rest of the team allowed him to play the way he did.

It's a team game. Newell played well when the team was dominant. He's played poorly when the team is playing poorly. If he was reliably able to single-handily drag Hibs from playing poorly to getting a result, he probably won't be at Hibs much longer.Scott Brown didnt just play well when the team played well. I remember the two Scottish Cup semi finals against Dunfermline when as a team we were awful but he was single handedly driving us forward. Same with McGinn - in games when we were getting overrun there were times when he'd single handedly drag us back into the game.

Things aren't always going to go your way in football. Hibs also need players in the middle who can dig in and turn things round.

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[The Modfather]

My point was that some are looking at a game v Rangers for him to somehow prove he has what it takes. We wouldn’t be the first team this year to struggle against them and those that are going to be judging Newell on it will have a nice easy opportunity to tell us all that he’s actually not very good after all.

He shouldn’t be judged on the Rangers game in isolation, but he definitely should be judged upon it. He, and the whole midfield in particular, have performed well against the poorer teams (like St Mirren) but been a distant second best against the better teams like Motherwell & Aberdeen. Result aside, Newell (as this thread is about him but all our midfielders) have to start being competitive against the better sides or they need replaced in the first team with new signings IMO.

[The 90+2]

He seems a very confidence based player. He scored earlier his head was up and he was terrific.

[hibbysam]

Scott Brown didnt just play well when the team played well. I remember the two Scottish Cup semi finals against Dunfermline when as a team we were awful but he was single handedly driving us forward. Same with McGinn - in games when we were getting overrun there were times when he'd single handedly drag us back into the game.

Things aren't always going to go your way in football. Hibs also need players in the middle who can dig in and turn things round.

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They’re totally different players though. Would be a bit like expecting Martin Boyle to fly into a tackle to get the crowd going. Newell is a tidy player who does everything simply and keeps us ticking. Brown and McGinn were all action, full of energy, running about the park like men possessed.

[theonlywayisup]

He looks amazing against really bad midfields but up against a combative midfield he wilts.




Newell needs a big performance against a decent team to prove a few of us wrong. Decent opportunity for him next week then.



Thoughts one week on! I'm going to be honest, I expected him and the team to struggle yesterday, but was pleasantly surprised by the performance and the team effort.

Joe Newell is a key player in our team and I'm happy he's playing for Hibernian FC.

[Bronson]

Newell was excellent yesterday, did the defensive side well beside gogic but really looks after the ball when he has it which I love. Never looks flustered

[Brightside]

He's a very good player. Delighted we are trying hard to get him to extend his stay.

[Percy Vere]

He's a very good player. Delighted we are trying hard to get him to extend his stay.

Definitely seeing the Joe Newell of last season.
He looks comfortable and confident.
Excited to see how he kicks on this season.