Champions League Final

[gbhibby]

You can watch it on YouTube if you don't have BT Sport.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I hope Bayern do it. PSG are amongst the middle-eastern oil clubs, and, in my opinion, they seem like an inauthentic financial project. They aren't the only ones: there are the Red Bull clubs and others.

[Since90+2]

This will be some game. Both teams have pace all over the park and play on the front foot.

Bayern are a better team but PSG have the 2 best players on the park. Very intriguing.

[Just_Jimmy]

This will be some game. Both teams have pace all over the park and play on the front foot.

Bayern are a better team but PSG have the 2 best players on the park. Very intriguing.Bayern have the best player on the park.

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[Cammy]

You can watch it on YouTube if you don't have BT Sport.

Free on BT sport on virgin as well.

[The 90+2]

Bayern to pump the franchise 6-1.

[Sylar]

Any team with Neymar in it is a team I want to lose...

Fancy Bayern to win 3-1.

[Cammy]

Any team with Neymar in it is a team I want to lose...

Fancy Bayern to win 3-1.

:agree:

[wallpaperman]

Looking forward to this now. PSG have some quality players but i would prefer a Bayern win, just want a classic match.

[Mr Grieves]

Free on BT sport on virgin as well.

It's also free on the xbox bt sport app.

[MWHIBBIES]

Amazing to me that this is the peak of European football and the best tactical insight we get from commentary is ''can Mbappe get in a race with Boateng''

[Pretty Boy]

I can take or leave the CL but I love watching Lewandowski play.

Pretty much unrivalled as the best striker on the planet at the moment. He's unreal.

[660]

I can take or leave the CL but I love watching Lewandowski play.

Pretty much unrivalled as the best striker on the planet at the moment. He's unreal.

I assume since Nisbet wasn’t playing today you’ve forgotten about him.

[Scouse Hibee]

You can watch it on YouTube if you don't have BT Sport.

It’s free on Virgin channel 100

[hibsbollah]

Even start. High press from both teams forcing the odd mistake. Sorry Owen Hargreaves but Bayern DO have a weakness, Boateng.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I can take or leave the CL but I love watching Lewandowski play.

Pretty much unrivalled as the best striker on the planet at the moment. He's unreal.

He was so unlucky hitting the post then. Great turn and hit.

[Since452]

Enjoyable 0-0 so far

[Pretty Boy]

How bad is Steve McManaman as a pundit? Herrera with a dummy and a through ball, Steves insightful analysis:

'A bit of a dummy and a through pass by Herrera there'.

I can ****ing see that. I want a bit of insight from an ex pro that a layman might miss, not just a repetition of what everyone has already seen and heard from the commentator.

[Jim44]

Terrible miss from Di Maria. Low to the keeper’s left was the ball.

[Danderhall Hibs]

How bad is Steve McManaman as a pundit? Herrera with a dummy and a through ball, Steves insightful analysis:

'A bit of a dummy and a through pass by Herrera there'.

I can ****ing see that. I want a bit of insight from an pro that a layman might miss, not just a repetition of what everyone has already seen and heard from the commentator.

I was just coming onto post similar - how can he be BT sports best co commentator?

[Sylar]

I expected a lot more from this game.

It's been pretty awful to be honest.

[we are hibs]

How bad is Steve McManaman as a pundit? Herrera with a dummy and a through ball, Steves insightful analysis:

'A bit of a dummy and a through pass by Herrera there'.

I can ****ing see that. I want a bit of insight from an ex pro that a layman might miss, not just a repetition of what everyone has already seen and heard from the commentator.


Given the amount of people saying hes horrendous in the last few weeks, i think its only a matter of time before BT get shot of him. And it wont be before time. I remember Liverpool played Plymouth in a cup replay a few years back at Anfield and he spent 90 minutes slating Plymouth for parking the bus. What did he actually expect? Them to turn up and take the game to them? I never thought i would see the day that there would be a worse pundit/co commentator than Mark Lawrenson but here we are.

[Sylar]

What a dreadful attempt at a finish from Mbappe...wow.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bit of a dive there

[Pretty Boy]

Frantic end to the half. Never a penalty for me.

[MWHIBBIES]

I expected a lot more from this game.

It's been pretty awful to be honest.

Really?

Have to disagree. Excellent game so far, so much going on, chances at both ends.

[660]

Dismal stuff. Bayern are like a team of robots. Something about them is really sterile.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Really?

Have to disagree. Excellent game so far, so much going on, chances at both ends.

I've enjoyed it. There have been good chances for both teams. That was a sitter Mbappe wasted from about six yards.

[Michael]

You realise how good these players are after watching the St. Johnstone game.

[Scouse Hibee]

The game certainly hasn’t met my expectations so far, hopefully the second half will.

[Since90+2]

Dismal stuff. Bayern are like a team of robots. Something about them is really sterile.

They are an incredibly well coached and intelligent team.

[660]

They are an incredibly well coached and intelligent team.

Yeah zero personality to the team tho.

[Sylar]

Really?

Have to disagree. Excellent game so far, so much going on, chances at both ends.

It's a game that's been punctuated by niggly fouls, poor finishing, poor first balls into the box and so many misplaced passes.

The odd bit of quality, sure, but for the most part, they've completely cancelled each other out.

[CMurdoch]

They are an incredibly well coached and intelligent team.

Just like Hibs of 2020/21 seasoon
Boring but eventually get the result.

[hibsbollah]

I fancy Qatar United now, Mbappé against a tiring defence, how often have we seen it?

[Hibernia&Alba]

A lot of diving from PSG.

[Aldo]

Neymar needs to be brought to task by authorities for his antics!


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[whiskyhibby]

What an embarrassment Neymar is, some sublime touches and then the diving and theatrics are an absolute travesty of his talent, complete tosser who hopefully is on the losing side tonight

[HoboHarry]

Neymar needs to be brought to task by authorities for his antics!


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Noone had had the balls to do it so far so he'll continue to get away with it.....

[Hibernia&Alba]

Neymar needs to be brought to task by authorities for his antics!


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He is a disgrace, and Mbappe has been just as bad.

[Aldo]

Noone had had the balls to do it so far so he'll continue to get away with it.....

It’s actually disgusting. Slightest touch and his legs get thrown up in air!


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[HoboHarry]

Yaaaaassssss........

[Vault Boy]

He's looked their most dangerous player, deserved.

[Sir David Gray]

1-0 Bayern.

[Pretty Boy]

Some goal that.

Manager will be feeling vindicated.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Powwerful header

[Hibernia&Alba]

Goal Bayern.

[Sylar]

Great ball in from Kimmich and an easy header for Coman.

1-0 Bayern.

[CmoantheHibs]

Brilliantly worked goal.

[whiskyhibby]

Yes Bayern, get it right up you PSG a bunch of cheating ********s

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Bayern starting to play a bit now

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

The screaming at the slightest touch is ridiculous

[HoboHarry]

Maybe he's out of gas, but surprised that Coman is off......

[Pretty Boy]

An Allanesque reverse pass by Di Maria there.

[Scouse Hibee]

Should have been a penalty to PSG

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Whats the point of VAR, when it misses a penalty like that?

[Kato]

It’s actually disgusting. Slightest touch and his legs get thrown up in air!


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Can't even bring myself to think of him as a footballer. He's some sort of weird acrobat act.

[whiskyhibby]

Should have been a penalty to PSG

not a chance it was a penalty, hardly any contact

[Aldo]

Can't even bring myself to think of him as a footballer. He's some sort of weird acrobat act.

I know. He’s been woeful this evening


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[McD]

How bad is Steve McManaman as a pundit? Herrera with a dummy and a through ball, Steves insightful analysis:

'A bit of a dummy and a through pass by Herrera there'.

I can ****ing see that. I want a bit of insight from an ex pro that a layman might miss, not just a repetition of what everyone has already seen and heard from the commentator.



this is my constant criticism of not just him, the likes of hoddle, Jamie redknapp, et al are the same. As you said, we can see that, please refrain from telling us what we can see and give us some insight that an expert should be able to provide

[Scouse Hibee]

not a chance it was a penalty, hardly any contact

Stonewaller, if it had gone to VAR as it should have.

[cabbageandribs1875]

PSG play some nice football as well

[whiskyhibby]

Another shot missed Neymar , yah plum 🤣

[whiskyhibby]

Stonewaller, if it had gone to VAR as it should have.


hardly touched him., certainly not enoughthat constitutes a foul, ref had a great view and rightly called it

[Jim44]

Plenty of acting from the PSG players but upstaged by their manager, Tuchel. He deserves an Oscar for his dramatic expression.:greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Neymar in tears. Beautiful 😂😂

[whiskyhibby]

Well done Neymar and co, got exactly what your cheating deserved 😂😂

[Scouse Hibee]

hardly touched him., certainly not enoughthat constitutes a foul, ref had a great view and rightly called it

In today’s game of VAR that was a penalty no doubt about it. I agree he hardly touched him but seen loads of them given for very similar this season. VAR was meant to bring consistency with decisions and that is just another example of when it hasn’t which is why I dislike it so much.

[MWHIBBIES]

What is Neymars haircut? The old short back and macaroni?

[whiskyhibby]

In today’s game of VAR that was a penalty no doubt about it. I agree he hardly touched him but seen loads of them given for very similar this season. VAR was meant to bring consistency with decisions and that is just another example of when it hasn’t which is why I dislike it so much.

touching someone in the box doesn’t constitute a foul, otherwise players , mostly defenders that have their hands around forwards for corners would be giving away multiple penalties each game

was never anywhere near a penalty, should have been a yellow the other way

[660]

I honestly can’t think of a game I’ve been less invested in the outcome of.

[Iggy Pope]

Could Neymar be any more of a ****?

[whiskyhibby]

Could Neymar be any more of a ****?


I get the feeling that even he knows his best days are behind him, the best he can hope for is afoul by rolling around as if he has been shot at the slightest glance in his direction

[wallpaperman]

I honestly can’t think of a game I’ve been less invested in the outcome of.

I’ve enjoyed the last two weeks of frenetic one off matches in the Champions League, and the Europa league to an extent. But I’ve not been invested in the least as a fan, just enjoyed the spectacle. You don’t always have to have a horse in the race.....

[Jim44]

Could Neymar be any more of a ****?

His outward display of personal grief is cringe-worthy. You would think the match was all about him.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Fully deserved by Bayern. I didn't know they had won every game they played in the Champions League this season, which included some hammerings of the opposition. 21 consecutive wins in all competitions, too, which is incredible form. Great team. Nice to see Neymar greetin' at the end; his conduct was terrible.

[Iggy Pope]

His outward display of personal grief is cringe-worthy. You would think the match was all about him.

Coaxed out the huff to get his medal. Entitled prick. His team mates should be spraying their deep heat into his Ys right now if they’re not giving him a doing.

[Kato]

His outward display of personal grief is cringe-worthy. You would think the match was all about him.

Utter fandan.

[MWHIBBIES]

Coaxed out the huff to get his medal. Entitled prick. His team mates should be spraying their deep heat into his Ys right now if they’re not giving him a doing.

They would've gone out before lockdown without him though.

Folk love to **** on him but 59 goals/assists in 59 champions league games before tonight. Wonderful player.

[Iggy Pope]

They would've gone out before lockdown without him though.

Folk love to **** on him but 59 goals/assists in 59 champions league games before tonight. Wonderful player.

Tidy account for a greeting face egomaniac. Just go and get your ****ing medal. He’s a ****.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They would've gone out before lockdown without him though.

Folk love to **** on him but 59 goals/assists in 59 champions league games before tonight. Wonderful player.

Of course he's a top class player, but he's also a persistent cheat.

[Iggy Pope]

Of course he's a top class player, but he's also a persistent cheat.

And a twat, don’t forget the twat bit.

[JohnM1875]

People's hatred of Neymar is bizarre. An outrageously taltented player. Not many in the world better than him.

Does he play act? Sure. But is he alone in doing that in the modern game? Absolutely not.

Obviously upset at losing the final tonight and folk laughing about it? Strange behaviour.

[Jim44]

People's hatred of Neymar is bizarre. An outrageously taltented player. Not many in the world better than him.

Does he play act? Sure. But is he alone in doing that in the modern game? Absolutely not.

Obviously upset at losing the final tonight and folk laughing about it? Strange behaviour.

No hatred on my part for Neymar - just disdain for his ‘Marlene Dietrich grief’.

[Iggy Pope]

People's hatred of Neymar is bizarre. An outrageously taltented player. Not many in the world better than him.

Does he play act? Sure. But is he alone in doing that in the modern game? Absolutely not.

Obviously upset at losing the final tonight and folk laughing about it? Strange behaviour.

I wasn’t laughing about it. He just looked like the self centred overpaid maniac he appears to be. A play acting outrageously talented twat, but a twat all the same. Opposite image of that smiling wee fellah that got out of his refugee camp in Ghana.

[whiskyhibby]

People's hatred of Neymar is bizarre. An outrageously taltented player. Not many in the world better than him.

Does he play act? Sure. But is he alone in doing that in the modern game? Absolutely not.

Obviously upset at losing the final tonight and folk laughing about it? Strange behaviour.


he hasn’t shown much in the Champions League game’s this season against decent opposition

well past his best and mostly embarrassing, quite apart from the clear chances he has missed by miles in the last few games, shadow of the player he once was, and should still be.....

[whiskyhibby]

I wasn’t laughing about it. He just looked like the self centred overpaid maniac he appears to be. A play acting outrageously talented twat, but a twat all the same. Opposite image of that smiling wee fellah that got out of his refugee camp in Ghana.


couldn't agree more !

[BILLYHIBS]

€222m and didn’t turn up IMHO

[Pretty Boy]

Football fans are usually pretty good at differentiating raw emotion from something a bit more contrived.

That from Neymar tonight looked like the latter to me.

[JohnM1875]

I just don't get what it is that makes him a twat though? And why so many people (not just on here by the way. Just in general) love to see him fail.

Showboating? Play acting? He's not alone in either of those things.

He's been involved in a goal every 80 or so minutes in the champions league this year. And was borderline unplayable against Atalanta. He did miss a few glorious chances though, I'll give you that!

Just think it's weird he's so hated by so many.

[Iggy Pope]

Football fans are usually pretty good at differentiating raw emotion from something a bit more contrived.

That from Neymar tonight looked like the latter to me.

Absolutely. I’m not interested in the stats of his last 50 odd CL games with his assists and his wizardry I’m looking at the pathetic gimme gimme that had to be coaxed out of a dugout when he should’ve been shoulder to shoulder with his team mates.

[Mibbes Aye]

Lot of vitriol for Neymar on here tonight.

I have posted this before, but when Brazil played Switzerland in the last World Cup the TV coverage zoomed in on Neymar’s socks about sixty minutes in. They were like colanders, or fishnets, from the amount of studs that had gone into him from the Swiss players.

I actually tracked it out of interest and every outfield Swiss player, all three subs included, were penalised for tackles on him, usually involving studs into the back of the lower leg.

It was horribly cynical fouling, done by rotation, so as to reduce the risk of cards, and increase the potential of injuring him or knocking him off his game.

He does what he does, but his opponents certainly don’t hold back in trying to take him out the game.

[Iggy Pope]

[QUOTE=JohnM1875;6279043]I just don't get what it is that makes him a twat though?


Me neither, what a twat though.

[JohnM1875]

[QUOTE=JohnM1875;6279043]I just don't get what it is that makes him a twat though?


Me neither, what a twat though.

😂 Fair enough.

[660]

What makes him a twat is accusing the Scotland support of racial abuse when it turned out some German threw a banana at him. Twat.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/apr/01/brazil-neymar-scotland-racism-claims

TWAT

[Jim44]

I just don't get what it is that makes him a twat though? And why so many people (not just on here by the way. Just in general) love to see him fail.

Showboating? Play acting? He's not alone in either of those things.

He's been involved in a goal every 80 or so minutes in the champions league this year. And was borderline unplayable against Atalanta. He did miss a few glorious chances though, I'll give you that!

Just think it's weird he's so hated by so many.

You keep using ‘hated’ ......... I think it’s more disrespect and intolerance of his antics and his ‘I, me and myself’ attitude. As somebody said, he should have been commiserating with his teammates and not sitting in a corner feeling sorry for himself.

[JohnM1875]

You keep using ‘hated’ ......... I think it’s more disrespect and intolerance of his antics and his ‘I, me and myself’ attitude. As somebody said, he should have been commiserating with his teammates and not sitting in a corner feeling sorry for himself.

How is his reaction any different than M'bappe strolling about on his own feeling sorry for himself though?

Think Neymars reaction at the final whistle was as genuine as it comes. As did the three Bayern players who were round him commiserating him.

Did Neymar go up and collect his runners up medal like everyone else in the end? He did.

Didn't remember the banana stuff at the Scotland game though. What was a bit **** from him.

[Mibbes Aye]

What makes him a twat is accusing the Scotland support of racial abuse when it turned out some German threw a banana at him. Twat.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/apr/01/brazil-neymar-scotland-racism-claims

TWAT

There is nothing in that article that suggests he accused a Scottish fan of throwing a banana at him. He invites people to read through all his subsequent press conferences to prove so.

Did you read through his subsequent press conferences?

[Vault Boy]

What makes him a twat is accusing the Scotland support of racial abuse when it turned out some German threw a banana at him. Twat.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/apr/01/brazil-neymar-scotland-racism-claims

TWAT

The quotes in that article actually make him out to be reasonable and well grounded. I think this paints him to be anything but a twat.

A 19 year old is racially abused at a football game, isn't happy about it, and the SFA write to him demanding an apology? It happened in a game against Scotland, they are in no place to be demanding anything. He even said he loved his reception in the UK and was treated incredibly well, extending his stay due to his affection for it.

Not sure this article does anything to help your case.

[660]

There is nothing in that article that suggests he accused a Scottish fan of throwing a banana at him. He invites people to read through all his subsequent press conferences to prove so.

Did you read through his subsequent press conferences?

No I was at the game in question. He accused the Scotland support of racism and was proven wrong then refused to apologise. He’s a prick.

[660]

The quotes in that article actually make him out to be reasonable and well grounded. I think this paints him to be anything but a twat.

A 20 year old is racially abused at a football game, isn't happy about it, and the SFA write to him demanding an apology? It happened at Hampden, they are in no place to be demanding anything. He even said he loved his reception in the UK and was treated incredibly well, extending his stay due to his affection for it.

Not sure this article does anything to help your case.

Did it happen at hampden aye?

[Mibbes Aye]

No I was at the game in question. He accused the Scotland support of racism and was proven wrong then refused to apologise. He’s a prick.

Thats not what the article you linked to says.

[Vault Boy]

Did it happen at hampden aye?

I misread that part of the article, but given it was a game against Scotland, that mistake means nothing. My point was that the SFA were in the wrong to be demanding apologies off of an abuse victim, as it happened at a game they were involved with.

Think it speaks volumes that a sarcy comment over stadium geography is the only response you chose to make.

[660]

Thats not what the article you linked to says.

The article is about his refusal to apologise, not the full situation. Hope this helps.

[660]

I misread that part of the article, but given it was a game against Scotland, that mistake means nothing. My point was that the SFA were in the wrong to be demanding apologies off of an abuse victim, as it happened at a game they were involved with.

Think it speaks volumes that a sarcy comment over stadium geography is the only response you chose to make.

The SFA isn’t responsible for random supporters around the world. They are responsible for Scotland fans and sought an apology on their behalf. I suppose your lack of knowledge about the situation was exemplified by your lack of knowledge of where the game was even played, hence my comment. I remember it and Neymar is despised by the Scotland support for it.

[Mibbes Aye]

The article is about his refusal to apologise, not the full situation. Hope this helps.

Not really. The article seems comprehensive enough to me but it was you who chose to link it.

I still don’t think you can back up having a go at him for it and calling him a twat. And then that bizarre bit where you said it again in caps.

[Vault Boy]

The SFA isn’t responsible for random supporters around the world. They are responsible for Scotland fans and sought an apology on their behalf. I suppose your lack of knowledge about the situation was exemplified by your lack of knowledge of where the game was even played, hence my comment. I remember it and Neymar is despised by the Scotland support for it.

Quite bold to claim anybody else lacks knowledge when you chose to share an article that directly opposes your own point of view.

Didn't say the SFA were responsible, did I? I just said they shouldn't have been demanding apologies off of a victim of racial abuse. I'll be sure to triple check stadium locations from 9 years ago, rather than concentrating on the substance of the articles shared on here in the future, though.

Pretty weird for a grown person to despise a footballer because he allegedly said something defamatory, in a foreign language, after being racially abused as a 19 year old tbh.

[660]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?206983-Neymar-Claims-Scottish-fans-are-racist

Thanks for playing.

[Vault Boy]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?206983-Neymar-Claims-Scottish-fans-are-racist

Thanks for playing.

Do you think this is a slam dunk?

I still can't find a single article which credibly claims Neymar said anything about Scotland fans being racist. Only articles that explicitly say the opposite. A 19 year old said racism is bad, not that controversial. You can read his translated quotes directly.

A Hibs.net thread title isn't a source.

Hate Neymar all you like, but the article you shared originally and everything I've read about it since does nothing to substantiate your point of view. I'd probably just let it go.

[Mibbes Aye]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?206983-Neymar-Claims-Scottish-fans-are-racist

Thanks for playing.

As with your link to the Guardian, there is nothing there that remotely backs up your original point.

[Vault Boy]

As with your link to the Guardian, there is nothing there that remotely backs up your original point.

But thanks for playing.


So that Champions League final ey, some performance from Neuer. :greengrin

[Mibbes Aye]

But thanks for playing.


So that Champions League final ey, some performance from Neuer. :greengrin

Mr Telescopic Legs himself.

[660]

Do you think this is a slam dunk?

I still can't find a single article which credibly claims Neymar said anything about Scotland fans being racist. Only articles that explicitly say the opposite. A 19 year old said racism is bad, not that controversial. You can read his translated quotes directly.

A Hibs.net thread title isn't a source.

Hate Neymar all you like, but the article you shared originally and everything I've read about it since does nothing to substantiate your point of view. I'd probably just let it go.

Sorry I linked hibs.net since you seem incapable of researching the topic yourself so I assumed you didn’t have access to the rest of the internet.

Literally every article I’ve found discusses Neymar accusing Scotland fans of racism. If you choose not to believe the links I’ve provided which show people discussing Neymar accusing Scotland fans of racism then I’m not sure what to say.

It seems like you’ve resorted to some weird straw man semantic argument that you won’t consider resolved until I find a quote that has him saying “Scotland fans are racist”. Even then you’ve been teeing up a mistranslation argument as if his words can be discounted because he didn’t say them in English.

Well done I suppose. PS Neymar is a twat.

[Vault Boy]

Sorry I linked hibs.net since you seem incapable of researching the topic yourself so I assumed you didn’t have access to the rest of the internet.

Literally every article I’ve found discusses Neymar accusing Scotland fans of racism. If you choose not to believe the links I’ve provided which show people discussing Neymar accusing Scotland fans of racism then I’m not sure what to say.

It seems like you’ve resorted to some weird straw man semantic argument that you won’t consider resolved until I find a quote that has him saying “Scotland fans are racist”. Even then you’ve been teeing up a mistranslation argument as if his words can be discounted because he didn’t say them in English.

Well done I suppose. PS Neymar is a twat.

Why are you being so rude? You seem very upset.

I've looked at articles from Guardian, BBC, Telegraph and the Independent and none of them say that Neymar accused Scotland fans of racism. It isn't a straw man argument, nor is it about semantics, when the crux of your point is that he falsely accused Scotland fans of racism. If he did, then where's the quote? Just post that, instead of links to this forum.

You've provided not one article or source that enforces this claim and now you're getting upset, condescending and rude because somebody disagrees with you on the Internet.

'Incapable of researching... Assumed you didn't have access to the rest of the Internet.' Absolutely pathetic. Ad hominems are so much easier than making an actual point though, aren't they?

Oh, and trying to discredit a 'mistranslation argument,' which I absolutely haven't made is a perfect example of an actual straw man. Hope that helps.

[660]

Why are you being so rude? You seem very upset.

I've looked at articles from Guardian, BBC, Telegraph and the Independent and none of them say that Neymar accused Scotland fans of racism. It isn't a straw man argument, nor is it about semantics, when the crux of your point is that he falsely accused Scotland fans of racism. If he did, then where's the quote? Just post that, instead of links to this forum.

You've provided not one article or source that enforces this claim and now you're getting upset, condescending and rude because somebody disagrees with you on the Internet.

'Incapable of researching... Assumed you didn't have access to the rest of the Internet.' Absolutely pathetic. Ad hominems are so much easier than making an actual point though, aren't they?

Oh, and trying to discredit a 'mistranslation argument,' which I absolutely haven't made is a perfect example of an actual straw man. Hope that helps.

Ah you do have access to the rest of the internet. You just can’t read.

Guardian: “Brazil's Neymar accused supporters of racially abusing him at the Emirates Stadium on Sunday in an incident which overshadowed the forward's excellent display and two goals for his country against Scotland (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/scotland).”https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/mar/27/neymar-racism-brazil-scotland

BBC: “Neymar accused Scotland fans of racist behaviour during Brazil's 2-0 win.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/9438033.stm

Telegraph: “The Scottish FA asked their Brazilian counterparts on Thursday to apologise for the allegation – made by Neymar” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/scotland/8420319/Scottish-FA-asks-Brazil-for-apology-after-Neymar-racism-claims-against-Tartan-Army.html

Independent: “Scotland fans and the Scottish Football Association have refuted claims Brazil star Neymar was racially abused by the Tartan Army” https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/scotland-deny-neymar-was-target-of-racist-abuse-2255167.html

Thanks for playing.

[Vault Boy]

Ah you do have access to the rest of the internet. You just can’t read.

Guardian: “Brazil's Neymar accused supporters of racially abusing him at the Emirates Stadium on Sunday in an incident which overshadowed the forward's excellent display and two goals for his country against Scotland (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/scotland).”https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/mar/27/neymar-racism-brazil-scotland

BBC: “Neymar accused Scotland fans of racist behaviour during Brazil's 2-0 win.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/9438033.stm

Telegraph: “The Scottish FA asked their Brazilian counterparts on Thursday to apologise for the allegation – made by Neymar” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/scotland/8420319/Scottish-FA-asks-Brazil-for-apology-after-Neymar-racism-claims-against-Tartan-Army.html

Independent: “Scotland fans and the Scottish Football Association have refuted claims Brazil star Neymar was racially abused by the Tartan Army” https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/scotland-deny-neymar-was-target-of-racist-abuse-2255167.html

Thanks for playing.

You can stop with the personal comments now, actually.

My reading is perfectly fine and that's why I went to the bother of reading what Neymar actually said, rather than relying upon headlines or quotes from the SFA.

The original article you posted clarifies a lot of this. Nowhere in the quotes from Neymar can I see that he accuses Scotland fans of racism. He addresses the racist act of a banana being thrown on the pitch, and speaks about being jeered in the stadium. He said atmospheres of racism (such as those created by a banana being thrown at a BAME player 🤔) are upsetting and disappointing. The articles written after more times had elapsed clarify this.

Not to mention anything he said was before a formal investigation and right after suffering abuse. He found it strange that the SFA demanded an apology because his quotes didn't accuse Scotland fans of anything specifically, and he actually WAS subject to racist abuse during that match, albeit from a German national. I find that strange too. His response to the SFA's letter is very reasonable, is
complimentary of the UK and is well constructed.

If you choose to hate somebody for that, that's your perogative, but that's no excuse for personal comments or the strange, one-player game you're playing. Is Neymar a twat? I don't know, maybe, I've never met him, but the Scotland situation doesn't illustrate that point at all.

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long winded drivel about semantics


I've looked at articles from ... BBC... none of them say that Neymar accused Scotland fans of racism. It isn't...about semantics


BBC: “Neymar accused Scotland fans of racist behaviour during Brazil's 2-0 win.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/9438033.stm

lol

[Vault Boy]

lol

Great point, well made.