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Tom Hart RIP
21-08-2020, 10:01 AM
Yves Ma-Kalambay article in the Evening news.
This is what he said about Heart's fans

“I don't want to talk badly about the Hearts fans," hesays with a sigh, "but the worst abuse I got through my time at Hibs wasmy first game at Tynecastle. Looking back, they were probably just trying toput me off my game. As soon as I got off the bus going to the changing room itwas, 'go back to your own country'.

SHODAN
21-08-2020, 10:02 AM
Jesus, that's terrible.

Kato
21-08-2020, 10:03 AM
"It's all a bit of a laugh."

Scouse Hibee
21-08-2020, 10:04 AM
Terrible that he suffered racist abuse no matter where it happened. Have to say though it clearly didn’t take much to put him off his game, useless keeper and up there as one of the worst in my time watching Hibs. Nine appearances for other clubs since he left says it all really.

hibsbollah
21-08-2020, 10:07 AM
It’s always good to hear that an ex player still follows our fortunes and likes us as a club. His faults have been done to death so I won’t go over that again but he seems a good guy and definitely wish him the best.

Vault Boy
21-08-2020, 10:09 AM
Absolutely vile. The fact he felt he needed to keep quiet about it, or wasn't given a platform at the time is a damn shame too. Glad he feels comfortable in speaking out.

Gloucester Hibs
21-08-2020, 10:09 AM
Amazingly, despite the calamities, Maka actually played in 2 derby wins at the PBS 👏🏻

SHODAN
21-08-2020, 10:14 AM
The article in itself and accompanying video from the Wycombe documentary is a really good read/watch. Him talking about in experience in Romania must have completely passed me by, that sounded genuinely life-changing, and not in a good way.

Have to say though, I did find it pretty amusing that he'd named his alarm "Time to go Big Yves." :greengrin

SweetDreams
21-08-2020, 10:15 AM
Medals Mackay, Morelos at Tynecastle last season, Motherwell's Christian Mbulu, the leaked video of the racism towards Marvin Bartley, the racial and sectarian abuse against Hamilton last season leading to bans, Scott Sinclair in the league cup, racism towards their own player Isma Goncalves.

I know there has unfortunately been racism from 'fans' of many clubs, including ourselves, but that lot are ****.

jacomo
21-08-2020, 10:29 AM
Terrible that he suffered racist abuse no matter where it happened. Have to say though it clearly didn’t take much to put him off his game, useless keeper and up there as one of the worst in my time watching Hibs.


Well this is ill judged.

Leitherhibs
21-08-2020, 10:41 AM
It's been covered on here before, but there was, and still is, a really nasty racist element of that Hearts support. I'm fascinated as to why some clubs have such a distasteful association with right-wing, fascist political ideologies.

Pretty Boy
21-08-2020, 10:41 AM
It's a stain on this country that anyone is targeted because of their colour, creed, sexuality etc. Yet it remains a problem that is, to varying degrees, widespread in our national game. More people need to be made to feel empowered enough to speak out, they need to know they will be believed and understood rather than mocked or questioned. Fair play to Ma-Kalambay for speaking out and hopefully in his current role he can guide young players and empower them to stand up to what he had to deal with.

On a more general note I always felt he was thrown under a bus with us, as was Andy McNeil. Given the goalkeeping issues we had endured over the preceding seasons what we really needed was a solid goalkeeper who knew the Scottish game. What possessed John Collins to believe a guy without a competitive appearance to his name was ready to handle that pressure is beyond me. When he was good, he could be very good but he was inconsistent and when his confidence went he never really recovered. He always seemed a really good guy, I'm glad to hear he is still in the game and he seems to be satisfied if not happy with his career and that's all that really matters.

Onceinawhile
21-08-2020, 10:53 AM
Medals Mackay, Morelos at Tynecastle last season, Motherwell's Christian Mbulu, the leaked video of the racism towards Marvin Bartley, the racial and sectarian abuse against Hamilton last season leading to bans, Scott Sinclair in the league cup, racism towards their own player Isma Goncalves.

I know there has unfortunately been racism from 'fans' of many clubs, including ourselves, but that lot are ****.

What happened with morelos at tynie last season?

Feel bad for yves, shouldnt have to put up with that. He was absolutely collosal in that game.

SweetDreams
21-08-2020, 11:05 AM
What happened with morelos at tynie last season?

Feel bad for yves, shouldnt have to put up with that. He was absolutely collosal in that game.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/hearts-probing-alleged-racial-abuse-towards-rangers-striker-alfredo-morelos-817143

MWHIBBIES
21-08-2020, 11:29 AM
I dont get why our club wouldn't do something about this? If Maka told them or they heard it happening we should've been kicking up **** about it. Same with the abuse Lennon took. And the abuse stubbs took about his cancer from Rangers and Hearts fans.

Pretty Boy
21-08-2020, 11:48 AM
I dont get why our club wouldn't do something about this? If Maka told them or they heard it happening we should've been kicking up **** about it. Same with the abuse Lennon took. And the abuse stubbs took about his cancer from Rangers and Hearts fans.

I think clubs are wary of rocking the boat too much because every support has an element and it's always likely that an incident of your own won't be far away. We've sadly seen it at Hibs in recent times.

Also this being Scotland you just know the SFA and SPFL would be more inclined to make an example of Hibs, Aberdeen Dundee Utd et al than they would Rangers.

Bishop Hibee
21-08-2020, 11:54 AM
Shocking but not surprising. Every club has racist fans but two in particular have more than others.

Frazerbob
21-08-2020, 12:27 PM
Maka was an incredibly nice guy and far from the worst keeper we’ve had.

eastmainsmsh
21-08-2020, 01:36 PM
After that game I thought we had the keeper we had been after confidence went wasn’t same not the worst we have had good luck Yves

hibsbollah
21-08-2020, 01:37 PM
Maka was an incredibly nice guy and far from the worst keeper we’ve had.

The two ‘howlers’ that I remember most were both more bad luck than bad technique. He side volleyed it from hand into an Aberdeen player from about a yard away and it flew behind him into the net, total freak goal. Also a fumble over the goal line in the derby, from a header well inside the 6yard box, it would have been a wonder save if he’d made it, no time to react, but the way it rolled over the line made it look worse than it was.
But Jones clearly lost confidence in him and he seemed anxious after that.

MWHIBBIES
21-08-2020, 02:14 PM
The two ‘howlers’ that I remember most were both more bad luck than bad technique. He side volleyed it from hand into an Aberdeen player from about a yard away and it flew behind him into the net, total freak goal. Also a fumble over the goal line in the derby, from a header well inside the 6yard box, it would have been a wonder save if he’d made it, no time to react, but the way it rolled over the line made it look worse than it was.
But Jones clearly lost confidence in him and he seemed anxious after that.

Being Hibs goalie at that time was a tough gig. We were constantly on edge every time even a whiff of a goalkeeper mistake was incoming. Every cross people were paniking. Still happens with Rocky sometimes and he's the best one we've had in 15+ years.

greenlex
21-08-2020, 02:24 PM
Terrible that he suffered racist abuse no matter where it happened. Have to say though it clearly didn’t take much to put him off his game, useless keeper and up there as one of the worst in my time watching Hibs.

Nah.

Since452
21-08-2020, 02:25 PM
Remember that first game of the season at the PBS. Thought he was going to be a star.

Shocking about the abuse.

judas
21-08-2020, 07:16 PM
Terrible that he suffered racist abuse no matter where it happened. Have to say though it clearly didn’t take much to put him off his game, useless keeper and up there as one of the worst in my time watching Hibs.

Yep. A truly abysmal keeper. That’s a simple fact.

eezyrider
21-08-2020, 07:26 PM
I think clubs are wary of rocking the boat too much because every support has an element and it's always likely that an incident of your own won't be far away. We've sadly seen it at Hibs in recent times.

Also this being Scotland you just know the SFA and SPFL would be more inclined to make an example of Hibs, Aberdeen Dundee Utd et al than they would Rangers.

Hiding behind the fear that it might be us only empowers them. If it's our own support we should call them out and kick them out. If we take the initiative we own the narrative.

EZ

blackpoolhibs
21-08-2020, 07:35 PM
I think clubs are wary of rocking the boat too much because every support has an element and it's always likely that an incident of your own won't be far away. We've sadly seen it at Hibs in recent times.

Also this being Scotland you just know the SFA and SPFL would be more inclined to make an example of Hibs, Aberdeen Dundee Utd et al than they would Rangers.

I can see what you are saying, but we've been doing the softly softly approach for years and nothing's changed.

I've been for imposing draconian penalties against all abuse, racist or sectarian for years.

I have come to the conclusion we need to hammer the clubs for it to stop, we really just pay lip service to these problem if we are honest about it.

Yes we might suffer because of it, but i have no doubt we'd police ourselves and stamp out any idiots very quickly.

But i don't need to tell you why this will never come in. :rolleyes:

bawheid
21-08-2020, 08:32 PM
Loved Maka. Great debut. Made some superb saves but also some howlers against Hearts. Loads of crap performers against Hearts at that time.

Do do do do.. Ma-Kalambay...

vercol36
21-08-2020, 09:38 PM
So...did anyone else actually read the article? SOME **** GETS SHOT!!!

SHODAN
21-08-2020, 10:06 PM
The two ‘howlers’ that I remember most were both more bad luck than bad technique. He side volleyed it from hand into an Aberdeen player from about a yard away and it flew behind him into the net, total freak goal. Also a fumble over the goal line in the derby, from a header well inside the 6yard box, it would have been a wonder save if he’d made it, no time to react, but the way it rolled over the line made it look worse than it was.
But Jones clearly lost confidence in him and he seemed anxious after that.

The game against Aberdeen where we drew 3-3 was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a Hibs goalkeeper. Two harmless balls somehow went right over his head for two tap-ins for Brewster.

It was one of his first games for us and you could tell he was extremely nervous.

jacomo
21-08-2020, 11:18 PM
So...did anyone else actually read the article? SOME **** GETS SHOT!!!


Incredible story. And what a great guy he seems.

CloudSquall
21-08-2020, 11:26 PM
Behind the cardigan wearing, Mondeo driving, ex bank branch supervisor façade Hearts seem to have quite a significantly sized Section N mob that believe they are living during the 1970s glory days of the National Front.

matty_f
21-08-2020, 11:27 PM
I remember Yogi slaughtered him after a game, might have been against Rangers but i could be wrong there. Think he implied that Maka feigned injury because he didn’t fancy it, iirc. Was out of order, anyway.

speedy_gonzales
22-08-2020, 12:07 AM
I remember Yogi slaughtered him after a game, might have been against Rangers but i could be wrong there. Think he implied that Maka feigned injury because he didn’t fancy it, iirc. Was out of order, anyway.

I remember a game where Ma-Kalambay left the field during the first half in tears, he was playing in front of the famous 5 stand. In my opinion, he was definitely exaggerating an injury. In his defence, he was quite young and away from his family with little support.

Kato
22-08-2020, 12:18 AM
Behind the cardigan wearing, Mondeo driving, ex bank branch supervisor façade Hearts seem to have quite a significantly sized Section N mob that believe they are living during the 1970s glory days of the National Front.

Are you saying the cardigan wearing, Mondeo driving, ex bank branch supervisors wear a facade, and are in fact the Section N mob or that Hearts have, as a club, various facets; the boards cronies, the free-seat brigade, old school "texaco cup" sparryheids, members of the "Davidson Mains" dinner party circle (there for Anne), and finally the cardigan wearing Mondeo driving, ex bank branch supervisors all exist, and just put up with the Section N mob?

Skol
22-08-2020, 01:54 AM
Let’s not forget the mark Walters incident

SChibs
22-08-2020, 04:08 AM
Terrible that he suffered racist abuse no matter where it happened. Have to say though it clearly didn’t take much to put him off his game, useless keeper and up there as one of the worst in my time watching Hibs.

It didnt affect him much in that first game. He was excellent that evening.

basehibby
22-08-2020, 04:28 AM
Amazingly, despite the calamities, Maka actually played in 2 derby wins at the PBS 👏🏻

:not worth:not worth They are all precious. Thank you Maka for the part you played in them

SouthMoroccoStu
22-08-2020, 05:14 AM
Let’s not forget the mark Walters incident

Sorry what was that?

FilipinoHibs
22-08-2020, 05:54 AM
Behind the cardigan wearing, Mondeo driving, ex bank branch supervisor façade Hearts seem to have quite a significantly sized Section N mob that believe they are living during the 1970s glory days of the National Front.

A writer friend of mine once described Tynecastle as the golf club meets neo-facism.

Eyrie
22-08-2020, 08:48 AM
Sorry what was that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbHx_NUDq4

Listening to it now McPherson's criticism sounds very restrained, but at the time it would have been blunt for a broadcaster.

hibsbollah
22-08-2020, 09:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbHx_NUDq4

Listening to it now McPherson's criticism sounds very restrained, but at the time it would have been blunt for a broadcaster.

:agree: Archie does deserve credit for that.