Media twisting things

[percy veer]

I would stop all press to the sun and daily record, someone asked Ron Gordon about points deductions for covid breaches and he said he would not be opposed to that, it's now turned into Ron wants clubs to be deducted points and every other club calling us hypocrites.

[#2 Double Tap]

'There is no such thing as bad publicity';

is the notion that all mentions in the media aid a person's cause, even if they put them in a bad light.

[1620]

'There is no such thing as bad publicity';

is the notion that all mentions in the media aid a person's cause, even if they put them in a bad light.

On this occasion Ron quite simply got it wrong I am afraid.
Experienced business man that he undoubtedly is he should have recognised a loaded question when it was put to him.

[green day]

I would stop all press to the sun and daily record, someone asked Ron Gordon about points deductions for covid breaches and he said he would not be opposed to that, it's now turned into Ron wants clubs to be deducted points and every other club calling us hypocrites.

I heard that Lennon said something (predictably stupid) in the Daily Mail about "glass houses" re; our match being cancelled v Ross county.

Its not exactly the same as Bolingoli or the Aberdeen 8, neither was it competitive match.

Tomorrows chip wrapper..............

eta - Ron did say that he was open to the idea of points deductions - it was in the pre match interview before Well on Saturday - Hibs TV.

Its hardly a big deal.

[hibbyfraelibby]

On this occasion Ron quite simply got it wrong I am afraid.
Exp⁵erienced business man that he undoubtedly is he should have recognised a loaded question when it was put to him.

He didn't get it wrong though. He gave an honest answer most folk not from the affected teams genetally agree with.

[#2 Double Tap]

On this occasion Ron quite simply got it wrong I am afraid.
Experienced business man that he undoubtedly is he should have recognised a loaded question when it was put to him.

he expressed his opinion, who cares if celtic, or any other club agrees or disagrees with him.

its not a mistake or something he done wrong........certainly not reason enough to start banning the media.

[SquashedFrogg]

On this occasion Ron quite simply got it wrong I am afraid.
Experienced business man that he undoubtedly is he should have recognised a loaded question when it was put to him.

Literally every question he was asked was loaded though. I admire his honesty and openness.

As per it's been typically blown up for red top headlines.

He says, she says.... stuff. Most people ignore this kind of reporting.

[Mon Dieu4]

I was watching it live when the question was asked, I fully agreed with Rons answer then and still do now, there was nothing controversial about it

[McSwanky]

I would stop all press to the sun and daily record, someone asked Ron Gordon about points deductions for covid breaches and he said he would not be opposed to that, it's now turned into Ron wants clubs to be deducted points and every other club calling us hypocrites.

Knee jerk reaction and a very hunnish/Jambo-esque approach to throw the toys out the pram and start banning folks.

The press will write what the press want to write. If people want to take what they read in a red-top at face value, that's up to them. It's all about selling papers, there are always going to be negative stories no matter what team you support (unless you're one of the smaller, lower league teams - stories about them don't generate so much interest these days).

[The 90+2]

Leave this **** for hearts.

[percy veer]

Knee jerk reaction and a very hunnish/Jambo-esque approach to throw the toys out the pram and start banning folks.

The press will write what the press want to write. If people want to take what they read in a red-top at face value, that's up to them. It's all about selling papers, there are always going to be negative stories no matter what team you support (unless you're one of the smaller, lower league teams - stories about them don't generate so much interest these days).


Aye ok

[660]

Neil Lennon is a bit of a twat. Who’d have thunk it?

He should stick to managing his mid table club instead of worrying about the champions elect.

[CmoantheHibs]

He didn't get it wrong though. He gave an honest answer most folk not from the affected teams genetally agree with.

Im not having that. That’s bollocks :na na:

[proud_and_green]

I think this Celtic blog sums it up for me.

https://thecelticblog.com/2020/08/blogs/neil-lennon-and-the-hibs-chairman-are-victims-of-a-media-manufactured-controversy/

[1620]

He didn't get it wrong though. He gave an honest answer most folk not from the affected teams genetally agree with.

I am sorry but he got it wrong answering it the way he did. It was always going to provoke a reaction from the clubs involved. I am not concerned with NL having a go but how do we know it wasn’t in the back of Aberdeen’s mind when they decided to gazump us on the McCrorie deal? And of course people from non affected clubs would say yes let’s deduct points from them. Would you still be up for points deductions if for some reason one of our players was to commit a similar discretion?

[green day]

I am sorry but he got it wrong answering it the way he did. It was always going to provoke a reaction from the clubs involved. I am not concerned with NL having a go but how do we know it wasn’t in the back of Aberdeen’s mind when they decided to gazump us on the McCrorie deal? And of course people from non affected clubs would say yes let’s deduct points from them. Would you still be up for points deductions if for some reason one of our players was to commit a similar discretion?

Tinfoil hat stuff.

p.s. Why should we care about those clubs?

I didnt hear much support from them when we got hammered in the press about redundancy consultations.

**** Aberdeen, **** Celtic - RG was asked a question, he answered it, you need to get over it.

[Since452]

Unsurprising. I tend to avoid the msm. Ron should just stick to Hibs TV.

[StevesFamau5]

Neil Lennon is a bit of a twat. Who’d have thunk it?

He should stick to managing his mid table club instead of worrying about the champions elect.Are you allowed to say that? I was under the impression that 'Lenny' was the best manager we've had in the last few dacades and anyone who disagrees is a Jambo in disguise.

But yeah you're spot on, loves a moan and anything to shift attention away from his own failures.

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[Brightside]

On this occasion Ron quite simply got it wrong I am afraid.
Experienced business man that he undoubtedly is he should have recognised a loaded question when it was put to him.

ffs. It was our own team asking the qn....and there was nothing wrong with his answer. The general pubic and I include lennon in this really need to stop, breath and occasionally actually look for facts before spouting rubbish.

[RoscoHibby]

I seen this earlier after previously reading and then seen Ron’s interview.

Its actually school ground level of wee lassie sleakitness!! To quote one of our pals, it actually beggars belief.

I thought Ron was just being open and honest of questions asked of him. Hell mend him for that...

I agree with just ban the lot of the weegie press. Probably help our transfer dealings in and out as well.

[tonyrougier123]

Let Ron bash on with the honest answers I say.
In the space of a week he has made sevco who “wouldn’t loan players”look daft,and said what everyone is thinking about Aberdeen and Bolingoli situation.
I’d rather the owner engaged in the chat about the game ,than staying anonymous and quiet.
Hibs are a club in an upward spiral under Ron Gordon,great bloke to have running the show.
As for Lenny he should know better about the press manipulating conversations to start trouble.

[1620]

Tinfoil hat stuff.

p.s. Why should we care about those clubs?

I didnt hear much support from them when we got hammered in the press about redundancy consultations.

**** Aberdeen, **** Celtic - RG was asked a question, he answered it, you need to get over it.

My My what is that last line all about!
I am not having a go at Ron, merely suggesting my surprise that he was naive in responding to a loaded question in the way that he did. I think you need to go and have a lie down somewhere.

[blackpoolhibs]

Surely this is not important, a trivial mistake ultimately irrelevant in the grand scheme of things?

[MyJo]

Nothing but s***stirring from the media.

RG specifically made the point during his interview that these types of sanctions would need be agreed by the clubs before any of them could be applied and they have presented this to Lennon as RG calling for Celtic to be deducted points to provoke a reaction which Lennon duly obliged by talking s***

As much as he has been baited into saying what he said I still think Lennon need to learn to shut up and know when to hold back in what he says to the media. I’ve thought that ever since he was with us with the way he hung individual players out to dry for various things but hiding and refusing to do post-match interviews after bad results that he was ultimately responsible for and his end of season tantrum about considering his position

[RoYO!]

I dont see this as a mistake and wee angry man Lennon can do one tbh. The breach at Celtic was unbelievable and smacks of very very poor management and leadership.

Should future breaches result in points deductions? ...yes!

I'm sure the scottish govt will appreciate this being floated as it demonstrates how seriously Hibs are taking their responsibility.

A bounce game mishap- where it sounds like we've been let down by the testing company (and made necessary changes) is entirely different to players ignoring quarantine and going out on the razzle dazzle when they've been expressly forbidden from doing so.

[Hibs90]

Ron Gordon 1 - 0 Neil Lennon
Ron Gordon 1 - 0 Derek McHunnes

Solid victory for RG

[Carheenlea]

I wouldn’t ban any journalist from Easter Road, but I’d be charging them for a match ticket if they want to cover the match. Probably get free snacks as well I bet.

[Not So Young]

I agree with what he said and I think it is what most non celtic & aberdeen fans think

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder who signed lennon up to Hibspass

[hibbyfraelibby]

I am sorry but he got it wrong answering it the way he did. It was always going to provoke a reaction from the clubs involved. I am not concerned with NL having a go but how do we know it wasn’t in the back of Aberdeen’s mind when they decided to gazump us on the McCrorie deal? And of course people from non affected clubs would say yes let’s deduct points from them. Would you still be up for points deductions if for some reason one of our players was to commit a similar discretion?

I stand by my position. He did not get it wrong. He got it spot on. As for Lennon's reaction not Ron's problem. And the suggestion Aberdeen went out of their way to guzump us over McCrorie just to get back at us over his commemt....get a grip. The big boys world beckons for those who leave behind playground for the real world

[ancient hibee]

I am sorry but he got it wrong answering it the way he did. It was always going to provoke a reaction from the clubs involved. I am not concerned with NL having a go but how do we know it wasn’t in the back of Aberdeen’s mind when they decided to gazump us on the McCrorie deal? And of course people from non affected clubs would say yes let’s deduct points from them. Would you still be up for points deductions if for some reason one of our players was to commit a similar discretion?
He answered the question.Why should he care what Celtic and Aberdeen think?Are people in football to be censored in case someone disagrees with them.I don’t think Aberdeen base their transfer policy on another club’s owner being quoted on something.If points deduction became the rule I would be very annoyed if we suffered it(but not with the rule).

[The 90+2]

Unsurprising. I tend to avoid the msm. Ron should just stick to Hibs TV.

He did.

[mjhibby]

I think this Celtic blog sums it up for me.

https://thecelticblog.com/2020/08/blogs/neil-lennon-and-the-hibs-chairman-are-victims-of-a-media-manufactured-controversy/

Good summary of the situation. Our manager clearly gets irked by the constant loaded questions he gets. It’s getting tedious now. The same with Mcrorie. The dons made a huge thing of beating us to Dylan and Ono. Time has shown that they headlines weren’t merited as in this case. Such ridiculous journalism. Par for the course these days.

[Is It On....]

'There is no such thing as bad publicity';

is the notion that all mentions in the media aid a person's cause, even if they put them in a bad light.

Michael O'Leary is the perfect example of that

[007]

On this occasion Ron quite simply got it wrong I am afraid.
Experienced business man that he undoubtedly is he should have recognised a loaded question when it was put to him.

There was nothing wrong with how Ron answered the question. The press have twisted it to generate a story which is what they have to do to keep themselves relevant.

Hibs TV shouldn't be asking loaded questions.

Some people complain that RG isn't visible enough. Look what happens when he does give an interview, the media twist it for their own ends and blow it up out of proportion. 😂

[Jones28]

On this occasion Ron quite simply got it wrong I am afraid.
Experienced business man that he undoubtedly is he should have recognised a loaded question when it was put to him.

He didn’t get it wrong. One person got it wrong and that was Lennon who compared players breaching rules and getting league games suspended to test results not clearing in time to play a pre season friendly. There is no comparison here.

[Brightside]

My My what is that last line all about!
I am not having a go at Ron, merely suggesting my surprise that he was naive in responding to a loaded question in the way that he did. I think you need to go and have a lie down somewhere.

He wasnt. I can only assume you havent watched it either. Have you?

[The Leith Dutch]

It's football. Press take something and make it into a story.
Then push the buttons of people they know they'll get a rise out of / good quote from.
Like NL.

Getting upset by it is pointless - it's banter.
Not unlike the folk who ride a player about his personal life / weight / rumoured sexual predilections from the terracing for most of a
game and then want the Police to arrest the player when he flicks the V's at them as he's subbed.

As for points deductions - not a fan in this situation.
Unless you have an enforced bubble players will misbehave and it'll be a mockery of a league campaign if it finishes with points deductions everywhere.
Imagine being where we're at now near the end of the season and dropping down the league because a couple of players act like inconsiderate douches?

I'm not belittling the health aspect btw but it's got **** all to do with football league positions.

[jacomo]

I think this Celtic blog sums it up for me.

https://thecelticblog.com/2020/08/blogs/neil-lennon-and-the-hibs-chairman-are-victims-of-a-media-manufactured-controversy/


Yeah fair enough.

[oldbutdim]

I see the Sun is picking up on this now, with Derek McWinless also slating Ron.

[where'stheslope]

Don't think the press or media have ever tried to drum a story before!!!!

[Bishop Hibee]

Budge answers a question from the media, she’s a visionary. Ron Gordon answers one, he’s vilified. For what it’s worth I totally agree that a points deduction is something that should be considered.

[PatHead]

He didn’t get it wrong. One person got it wrong and that was Lennon who compared players breaching rules and getting league games suspended to test results not clearing in time to play a pre season friendly. There is no comparison here.

Funny how another team from Glasgow played a friendly against Dundee United without even having test results. No punishment or censor for them though. Press hardly comment on it either.

Surely worth a lot more criticism than a team who cancel a match as the results aren't available.

Funny that.

[ballengeich]

Nothing but s***stirring from the media.

RG specifically made the point during his interview that these types of sanctions would need be agreed by the clubs before any of them could be applied and they have presented this to Lennon as RG calling for Celtic to be deducted points to provoke a reaction which Lennon duly obliged by talking s***


The point that sanctions would need to be agree in advance is critical. RG was not calling for retrospective punishments that were not in the rules at the time of the offences.

The question for me is why a world-class administrator like Neil Doncaster hadn't put proposals forward about the penalties for breaching regulations. When you're putting procedures in place for Covid or anything else part of the exercise should automatically be to include appropriate punishments for infringements.

[ancient hibee]

The point that sanctions would need to be agree in advance is critical. RG was not calling for retrospective punishments that were not in the rules at the time of the offences.

The question for me is why a world-class administrator like Neil Doncaster hadn't put proposals forward about the penalties for breaching regulations. When you're putting procedures in place for Covid or anything else part of the exercise should automatically be to include appropriate punishments for infringements.

I would guess that it’s because clubs don’t like discussing/agreeing possible punishments but only what goodies they can get.

[The Leith Dutch]

The point that sanctions would need to be agree in advance is critical. RG was not calling for retrospective punishments that were not in the rules at the time of the offences.

The question for me is why a world-class administrator like Neil Doncaster hadn't put proposals forward about the penalties for breaching regulations. When you're putting procedures in place for Covid or anything else part of the exercise should automatically be to include appropriate punishments for infringements.

Part of my concern here is that you can see just by looking at this thread and countless others here that every football fan has <insert colour> tinted spectacles.

Now don't get me wrong, I found it hilarious Hearts getting relegated and I also think that the decision was correct.
Unless you restructured the league (which I think penalizes everybody with a **** set up) you either have to penalize Dundee Utd (who did the business on the park) or Hearts (who categorically didn't).

That said many on here - probably including myself - would have been raging had we been in that position as the claim would have been we had 8 matches to make up a 4 point gap.
The fact that nobody watching (including a sizeable chunk in Gorgie) thought there was the chance of them even picking up 4 points in 8 games never mind picking up 4 more points than Hamilton is immaterial to the sense of injustice.

Now imagine how anyone would respond if we start making those kind of calls based on matters entirely unrelated to the football pitch.
(and yes there's precedent with insolvency / admin based deductions but they are rare and to an extent brought on by the club themselves failing to correctly manage their finances rather than exerting a level of control over all their employees in extremely unusual circumstances and without any legislative framework or support).

[mjhibby]

Is it just me or is it not a bit of a coincidence that this nonstory has blown up after Boli and the Aberdeen players were ********s. Funny but I’ve only heard Mcinnes and Lennon bumping their gums over this invented story. Sounds like they are trying to deflect from their players behaviour. I know it’s tomorrow fish and chips wrapper but noticeable nonetheless. Also Mcrorie signing to appease the dons fans when the bans hit.

[jacomo]

The point that sanctions would need to be agree in advance is critical. RG was not calling for retrospective punishments that were not in the rules at the time of the offences.

The question for me is why a world-class administrator like Neil Doncaster hadn't put proposals forward about the penalties for breaching regulations. When you're putting procedures in place for Covid or anything else part of the exercise should automatically be to include appropriate punishments for infringements.


Ron’s intervention probably means that this issue will now get priority, which is a good thing. Personally I don’t think points deductions is the way to go but our clever chairman has brought the issue to the forefront now. This should mean more clarity for the season ahead.

[007]

I doubt hardly any of the media have listened to Ron's interview. As far as I know it is only available to season ticket holders or Hibs TV subscribers. Lennon and McInnes's responses are based on Chinese whispers.

Hibs should put the whole interview on the YouTube channel so at least any criticism is based on what he actually said rather than some member of the media's misrepresentation of it. Probably too late now though, I suppose it will die down soon enough.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I’ve always found Mcinnes to be pretty balanced and sensible enough. But I’m not sure what exactly he is unhappy about.

“It was our turn to take a bit of a kicking” seems to suggest he thinks criticism has been unfair and that others have been doing the same but not punished?

And who exactly is he calling hypocritical?

Can understand being fed up of this **** but all a bit bizarre for me. You’ve been let down by the players, as manager you are representing them in front of the cameras - apologise, take your medicine and move on. Even if not personally at fault that would be strong leadership to me.

Don’t come out calling others hypocrites, suggesting come on guys enough is enough stop battering us it will be someone else next week ach well these things happen.

Went down in my estimation when he said that and I would luv it luv it if we beat them.

[mjhibby]

I’ve always found Mcinnes to be pretty balanced and sensible enough. But I’m not sure what exactly he is unhappy about.

“It was our turn to take a bit of a kicking” seems to suggest he thinks criticism has been unfair and that others have been doing the same but not punished?

And who exactly is he calling hypocritical?

Can understand being fed up of this **** but all a bit bizarre for me. You’ve been let down by the players, as manager you are representing them in front of the cameras - apologise, take your medicine and move on. Even if not personally at fault that would be strong leadership to me.

Don’t come out calling others hypocrites, suggesting come on guys enough is enough stop battering us it will be someone else next week ach well these things happen.

Went down in my estimation when he said that and I would luv it luv it if we beat them.

Totally agree. Classic diversion tactics. Does Dave Cormack think any other folk in any other job wouldn’t be lucky to keep their jobs. Me thinks they protest too much. They know their season could be totally screwed by this and are lashing out. Very undignified.

[EI255]

He didn't get it wrong though. He gave an honest answer most folk not from the affected teams genetally agree with.I don't think he got it wrong either. Quite the contrary.

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