It's a conspiracy !!!

[stokesmessiah]

A few weeks ago, a friend invited me onto a FB Group - which was apparently a campaign group for getting kids back to school. Long story short, it was kind of a militant Karen kind of page.

However, off the back of that I have found another page "March on Holyrood" which I was totally and utterly taken aback by. In short, the premise is that it is a campaign page for marching for civil liberties (which have been allegedly stolen from us). However, it is absolutely full of some of the craziest conspiracies there is out there. Lot's of talk about Donald Trump eliminating the Illuminati, Bill Gates Vaccinations etc etc. I actually watched a video on there the other day, some guys doing an online interview thing - basically the guy said that the lockdown was implemented so that the government could secretly install 5G in the schools! Now the kids are back, the Army will go into the schools and infect your child. The child will then be taken away from you and your house will be demolished in the process - you will then be forced to vaccinate if you want your child/life back - this life will now be some sort of Government pawn.

Worryingly though, there were hundreds and hundreds of people commenting on how they were in agreement with it all, often adding on more complex attachments to the theory.

I don't know if i was just naive to it all before and wasn't paying attention - has it always been like this, or is the political/Covid environment made it worse?

It also leaves me wondering - is the internet actually a good thing? I have commented on a few posts on those pages and been called some pretty foul names, the main theme is a sheep for following mainstream media - they then post youtube videos and talk about them being more awoken as they have researched it more (on YouTube)

Just wondered what peoples thought's on it all were?

[Mon Dieu4]

These radges have always been about but as you say now with the Internet it's easier for them to find each other

I actually love a good conspiracy theory, mainly to see how gullible some people are, but in this day in age we have to be careful about actual "facts" as on all subjects people seem to think their opinion is a matter of fact and it's so easy to spread nonsense

I know someone who believes in all this stuff, even today he put up some conspiracy about the Scottish government lying to us as the daily death figures for covid have a caveat that it's for people who have tested positive in the last 28 days, he thinks that means they are lying and trying to cover it all up

I even pointed out that the National Records for Scotland publishes all deaths every Wednesday and that Sturgeon reiterates this on an almost daily basis but that didn't fit his agenda

[Bristolhibby]

One of the girls I went to school with is a 5G, anti mask nut. She is very “alternative”. Think hairy armpits, Earth mother.

I read some of her barmy posts. Thankfully a lot of her actual friends slap her down quite regularly for being mental.

J

[One Day Soon]

These radges have always been about but as you say now with the Internet it's easier for them to find each other

I actually love a good conspiracy theory, mainly to see how gullible some people are, but in this day in age we have to be careful about actual "facts" as on all subjects people seem to think their opinion is a matter of fact and it's so easy to spread nonsense

I know someone who believes in all this stuff, even today he put up some conspiracy about the Scottish government lying to us as the daily death figures for covid have a caveat that it's for people who have tested positive in the last 28 days, he thinks that means they are lying and trying to cover it all up

I even pointed out that the National Records for Scotland publishes all deaths every Wednesday and that Sturgeon reiterates this on an almost daily basis but that didn't fit his agenda


There is a question mark about how covid related deaths should be recorded and viewed but I believe that both Westminster and Holyrood are now doing so in the same way? There's probably a legitimate discussion to be had around that.

Wider, proper nutty, conspiracy theories are quite something else though. I have just discoverded in the past week that one of my cousins has gone (or has always been) a full-on anti-vaxer, covid conspiracy nut who believes the whole thing is either a complete fabrication or a cover for the desire by dark forces to have the entire population forcibly vaccinated for some other ulterior and bad motive.

My dilemma isn't about the barking issue she's chosen to break cover on as a tin-foil hatter, it's about how I react to her in future. I find it very hard to pretend around people like this that I think they are anything other than a hamper, a car, a pleasant spot, a sunny day and a flask of tea short of a picnic. Easier to ignore when its just some git, trickier when it's family...

[matty_f]

A few weeks ago, a friend invited me onto a FB Group - which was apparently a campaign group for getting kids back to school. Long story short, it was kind of a militant Karen kind of page.

However, off the back of that I have found another page "March on Holyrood" which I was totally and utterly taken aback by. In short, the premise is that it is a campaign page for marching for civil liberties (which have been allegedly stolen from us). However, it is absolutely full of some of the craziest conspiracies there is out there. Lot's of talk about Donald Trump eliminating the Illuminati, Bill Gates Vaccinations etc etc. I actually watched a video on there the other day, some guys doing an online interview thing - basically the guy said that the lockdown was implemented so that the government could secretly install 5G in the schools! Now the kids are back, the Army will go into the schools and infect your child. The child will then be taken away from you and your house will be demolished in the process - you will then be forced to vaccinate if you want your child/life back - this life will now be some sort of Government pawn.

Worryingly though, there were hundreds and hundreds of people commenting on how they were in agreement with it all, often adding on more complex attachments to the theory.

I don't know if i was just naive to it all before and wasn't paying attention - has it always been like this, or is the political/Covid environment made it worse?

It also leaves me wondering - is the internet actually a good thing? I have commented on a few posts on those pages and been called some pretty foul names, the main theme is a sheep for following mainstream media - they then post youtube videos and talk about them being more awoken as they have researched it more (on YouTube)

Just wondered what peoples thought's on it all were?

Folk are bonkers. Some of them post on here.

[lapsedhibee]

I find it very hard to pretend around people like this that I think they are anything other than a hamper, a car, a pleasant spot, a sunny day and a flask of tea short of a picnic. Easier to ignore when its just some git, trickier when it's family...
:greengrin

[stokesmessiah]

There is a question mark about how covid related deaths should be recorded and viewed but I believe that both Westminster and Holyrood are now doing so in the same way? There's probably a legitimate discussion to be had around that.

Wider, proper nutty, conspiracy theories are quite something else though. I have just discoverded in the past week that one of my cousins has gone (or has always been) a full-on anti-vaxer, covid conspiracy nut who believes the whole thing is either a complete fabrication or a cover for the desire by dark forces to have the entire population forcibly vaccinated for some other ulterior and bad motive.

My dilemma isn't about the barking issue she's chosen to break cover on as a tin-foil hatter, it's about how I react to her in future. I find it very hard to pretend around people like this that I think they are anything other than a hamper, a car, a pleasant spot, a sunny day and a flask of tea short of a picnic. Easier to ignore when its just some git, trickier when it's family...

So, I guess that is probably what is fueling this intrigue on my part. My sister, after 25 years of marriage left her husband last year. Always held beliefs that I guess myself and most of my immediate family would have. She met some dude who is into all of this stuff, and she is now a 100% badge wearing tin foil hatter. Some of the stuff she was coming out with was increasingly out there.

It all kind of came to a head about 6 weeks ago, they had stopped by to see me and in the conversation they both likened being asked to wear a face covering to Nazi Germany. I lost it with them and we haven't really spoken since.

I absolutely understand what you say about it being tough with family !

[Santa Cruz]

A few weeks ago, a friend invited me onto a FB Group - which was apparently a campaign group for getting kids back to school. Long story short, it was kind of a militant Karen kind of page.

However, off the back of that I have found another page "March on Holyrood" which I was totally and utterly taken aback by. In short, the premise is that it is a campaign page for marching for civil liberties (which have been allegedly stolen from us). However, it is absolutely full of some of the craziest conspiracies there is out there. Lot's of talk about Donald Trump eliminating the Illuminati, Bill Gates Vaccinations etc etc. I actually watched a video on there the other day, some guys doing an online interview thing - basically the guy said that the lockdown was implemented so that the government could secretly install 5G in the schools! Now the kids are back, the Army will go into the schools and infect your child. The child will then be taken away from you and your house will be demolished in the process - you will then be forced to vaccinate if you want your child/life back - this life will now be some sort of Government pawn.

Worryingly though, there were hundreds and hundreds of people commenting on how they were in agreement with it all, often adding on more complex attachments to the theory.

I don't know if i was just naive to it all before and wasn't paying attention - has it always been like this, or is the political/Covid environment made it worse?

It also leaves me wondering - is the internet actually a good thing? I have commented on a few posts on those pages and been called some pretty foul names, the main theme is a sheep for following mainstream media - they then post youtube videos and talk about them being more awoken as they have researched it more (on YouTube)

Just wondered what peoples thought's on it all were?

Think the group is called UsforThemScot, the business owner who set them up apparently has political ambitions. There posts are crazy, but the lack of empathy for those vulnerable to covid and their self entitlement is concerning. They don't like Sturgeon and claim to be liberal conservatives.

[stokesmessiah]

Think the group is called UsforThemScot, the business owner who set them up apparently has political ambitions. There posts are crazy, but the lack of empathy for those vulnerable to covid and their self entitlement is concerning. They don't like Sturgeon and claim to be liberal conservatives.

Yeah, that's the one. A very concerning group - some crazy posts on there and as you said a total and utter lack of care for those who might be vulnerable. I got booted from the group because there was a post suggesting that all at risk teachers or those who had been shielding should be sent home. I pointed out that there is roughly 2500 schools in scotland - if the average was 1 teacher per school then our whole education system would fall apart. It was claimed that i am a sleep walking sheep !

[Santa Cruz]

Yeah, that's the one. A very concerning group - some crazy posts on there and as you said a total and utter lack of care for those who might be vulnerable. I got booted from the group because there was a post suggesting that all at risk teachers or those who had been shielding should be sent home. I pointed out that there is roughly 2500 schools in scotland - if the average was 1 teacher per school then our whole education system would fall apart. It was claimed that i am a sleep walking sheep !

They're proper mental. There's an English version too. There claim is they are fighting for education for all the vulnerable kids, which would be fair enough, if they considered many will have vulnerable parents/guardians, who they then go on to slaughter. They're under an illusion that Swinney will meet all their increasingly needy demands.

[Pretty Boy]

When I was at uni I had a mate who was insistent that 9/11 didn't happen. Not that it was an inside job or a convenient event for the US government and their foreign policy plans but rather that it didn't happen at all and was an extreme example of the Mandela Effect manipulated by a global government.

His theory was that the WTC buildings had been slowly dismantled over a period of months with little fanfare or formal announcement several years before. When the news reports of the plane attacks was created and aired this, complimented with thousands of images of the towers supposedly in the weeks and months before the attacks, was so powerful that people didn't question the reports even if they had doubts about the veracity of them. Over time the footage and images were shown so often that people just accepted it. Further the well known conspiracy theorists were all government employees as well. They were paid to put forward theories that could be easily debunked by engineers and the like to lend further weight to the official story, give further reason to keep showing the footage and keep the 'official line' in the public eye.

I lost touch with him over the years but a friend recently directed me to his Facebook page to look at his views on coronavirus. This is all a conspiracy to plunge people into poverty, make them fearful and turn them back to religion. It is being coordinated by the Israeli state along with the American Christian right, the Vatican, the Freemasons, the House of Saud and of course the Rothschilds. Quite how those groups, many of whom are suspicious of or openly hostile to each other fit together is anyone's guess.

He was actually a really nice guy but he had a habit of finding really weird rabbit holes on the Internet. He also smoked an unholy amount of weed. I liked a joint or 2 as much as anyone when I was younger but this guy was scary. His only real hobby was collecting memorabilia from Scandinavian black metal bands and reading books about Odinism.

[One Day Soon]

When I was at uni I had a mate who was insistent that 9/11 didn't happen. Not that it was an inside job or a convenient event for the US government and their foreign policy plans but rather that it didn't happen at all and was an extreme example of the Mandela Effect manipulated by a global government.

His theory was that the WTC buildings had been slowly dismantled over a period of months with little fanfare or formal announcement several years before. When the news reports of the plane attacks was created and aired this, complimented with thousands of images of the towers supposedly in the weeks and months before the attacks, was so powerful that people didn't question the reports even if they had doubts about the veracity of them. Over time the footage and images were shown so often that people just accepted it. Further the well known conspiracy theorists were all government employees as well. They were paid to put forward theories that could be easily debunked by engineers and the like to lend further weight to the official story, give further reason to keep showing the footage and keep the 'official line' in the public eye.

I lost touch with him over the years but a friend recently directed me to his Facebook page to look at his views on coronavirus. This is all a conspiracy to plunge people into poverty, make them fearful and turn them back to religion. It is being coordinated by the Israeli state along with the American Christian right, the Vatican, the Freemasons, the House of Saud and of course the Rothschilds. Quite how those groups, many of whom are suspicious of or openly hostile to each other fit together is anyone's guess.

He was actually a really nice guy but he had a habit of finding really weird rabbit holes on the Internet. He also smoked an unholy amount of weed. I liked a joint or 2 as much as anyone when I was younger but this guy was scary. His only real hobby was collecting memorabilia from Scandinavian black metal bands and reading books about Odinism.

Or Onanism...

[Bristolhibby]

Reminds me of the “Pantaveret” from So I Married an Axe Murderer.

https://youtu.be/YKRFlNryaWw

J

[Santa Cruz]

When I was at uni I had a mate who was insistent that 9/11 didn't happen. Not that it was an inside job or a convenient event for the US government and their foreign policy plans but rather that it didn't happen at all and was an extreme example of the Mandela Effect manipulated by a global government.

His theory was that the WTC buildings had been slowly dismantled over a period of months with little fanfare or formal announcement several years before. When the news reports of the plane attacks was created and aired this, complimented with thousands of images of the towers supposedly in the weeks and months before the attacks, was so powerful that people didn't question the reports even if they had doubts about the veracity of them. Over time the footage and images were shown so often that people just accepted it. Further the well known conspiracy theorists were all government employees as well. They were paid to put forward theories that could be easily debunked by engineers and the like to lend further weight to the official story, give further reason to keep showing the footage and keep the 'official line' in the public eye.

I lost touch with him over the years but a friend recently directed me to his Facebook page to look at his views on coronavirus. This is all a conspiracy to plunge people into poverty, make them fearful and turn them back to religion. It is being coordinated by the Israeli state along with the American Christian right, the Vatican, the Freemasons, the House of Saud and of course the Rothschilds. Quite how those groups, many of whom are suspicious of or openly hostile to each other fit together is anyone's guess.

He was actually a really nice guy but he had a habit of finding really weird rabbit holes on the Internet. He also smoked an unholy amount of weed. I liked a joint or 2 as much as anyone when I was younger but this guy was scary. His only real hobby was collecting memorabilia from Scandinavian black metal bands and reading books about Odinism.

Sort of underlines the "don't do drugs kids" message. The bloke had clearly smoked way too much.

Which reminded me of a guy I knew who was the same, likeable with the the odd zany conspiracy theory, but his big thing was the BBC's overuse of the Breaking News banner on the news channel. He would go berserk when it appeared on screen, screaming it didn't merit being deemed as breaking, even when it actually was. Took it to another level, wrote to the Head of BBC, his MP, everyone & their Granny. Wanted everyone to join his campaign to get it banned when nobody had even noticed it let alone bothered about it.

[Bristolhibby]

Was on a local site for the part of Bath I grew up in (Larkhall). Some people have created a new group because the old group got infested with posts like the below post. Problem was the Admin of that particular group was a paid up member of the conspiracy set.

Utter Bat**** Crazy stuff.

“ Before i share my experience and ask a Question.
I think its important to urge people to concider.
These statements..

You are defined by Your actions.

We are Shaped by Our environment.

We can only act within the perameters of Our perspectives.

Together we can do anything.

There are levels to attend to
Body
Mind
Soul
Look after yourself so you may look after others.

My friends and I have casually been looking on the Internet at all manor of random information and sometimes knowledge since about 17/18yrs old.

Im 32 now and its only been in the last year that i became aware of a deeper level of Pedophilia than i once thought.

It was only since joining lots of groups on day 1 of LD did i soon learn about what Pizzagate is..
I watched down with the Cabal also.

I have no idea what these labels represent, but the information was like no "conspiracy theory".
More like a time line of events.. Or what appeared to be reference's to evidence.

I learned.

Its not about your local Pedos...

The problem is "They".

The unseen level of power that moves in Ignorance. (not caring whome or how they affect others)... To no end on the scale :(

People either choose or are forced to "sign up" maybe through a type of ritual...?

Maybe its called selling your soul..?

It might just be that anyone at that level who trys to expose it just gets wiped out.

One of the things they use Children for is to harvest a chemical that is released from the pineal gland of a terrified child below the age of eight. (electus of life)
The Chemical is called Adrenochrome.

Please forgive how blunt and graphic that is, i wish to only say it once.

I ask you,

given that there is no ghosts or goblins or witches or magical beasts..

And that the problem is simply a matter of Knowledge and Ignorance...
Plato,, Good and Evil..

What are the questions that need to be asked and answered?

I wish to be debunked.
I hope im just mad.”

Yes mate, you are mad.

J

[Bristolhibby]

This is interesting. Breaking down conspiracies.

http://theconversation.com/coronavirus-plandemic-and-the-seven-traits-of-conspiratorial-thinking-138483

J

[Keith_M]

Folk are bonkers. Some of them post on here.


Oi!


:grr:

[jonty]

Folk are bonkers. Some of them post on here.

/checks the admin user list........

[Keith_M]

Reminds me of the “Pantaveret” from So I Married an Axe Murderer.

https://youtu.be/YKRFlNryaWw

J


One of the best films ever!


"Somebody needs a hug!" (http://sudo chmod +x 999_decompress_rpi_kernel)

:greengrin

[McD]

My Father-in-Law has turned into one of these types, constantly posts rubbish on FB about it, out-there articles and youtube nonsense, now his brother does the same :rolleyes:

He's become a ranter about anti-vaxxing, covid is a right wing conspiracy to control the masses, Plan 20, Plan 30, Bill Gates wants to sterilise the planet, etc.


He's never mentioned vaccinations directly to me, or he'd have gotten short shrift. He's twice, months apart, messaged my wife generally and hinted she should look into vaccination stuff, but nothing more (she's not interested in his crap either).



This is a guy who used to drive trains for a living and was reasonably normal, but has got into this carry on and now lives to spam FB with it :brickwall:crazy:

[Jones28]

I love them, makes it really easy to filter out your friends list. Same with anyone who shares Britain First or the like. Cheerio chap, enjoy your life as a nutter worrying about mobile signals giving us viruses.

[lord bunberry]

I love them, makes it really easy to filter out your friends list. Same with anyone who shares Britain First or the like. Cheerio chap, enjoy your life as a nutter worrying about mobile signals giving us viruses.
I’m the same, I love watching videos and documentaries about these nut jobs. The flat earth one on Netflix is brilliant, David Icke is always good for a laugh as well. There’s a dark side to them as well I suppose as some people are sucked into believing the nonsense they’re coming out with.

[RyeSloan]

I’m the same, I love watching videos and documentaries about these nut jobs. The flat earth one on Netflix is brilliant, David Icke is always good for a laugh as well. There’s a dark side to them as well I suppose as some people are sucked into believing the nonsense they’re coming out with.

Ahh yeah the flat earth doc on Netflix is brilliant!

Totally mashes the top guy...the psychologist who describes him as a big fish in a small pond and that’s how he can never leave no matter what was superb.

Then there was their experiments to prove the earth was flat. Each one failed but nope on they went to the next until they got to one that was simply not possible to not believe....

hold the torch level and I will see the light and prove the earth is flat...

are you holding the torch level? I can’t see it...

yeah it level...

hmm...

hold it up so if the earth is round I’ll see it...

Holding it up now...

oh I can see it....**** that’s a problem!!

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Pretty Boy]

Ahh yeah the flat earth doc on Netflix is brilliant!

Totally mashes the top guy...the psychologist who describes him as a big fish in a small pond and that’s how he can never leave no matter what was superb.

Then there was their experiments to prove the earth was flat. Each one failed but nope on they went to the next until they got to one that was simply not possible to not believe....

hold the torch level and I will see the light and prove the earth is flat...

are you holding the torch level? I can’t see it...

yeah it level...

hmm...

hold it up so if the earth is round I’ll see it...

Holding it up now...

oh I can see it....**** that’s a problem!!

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

The money those guys spent was scary.

The level of denial was off the scale. Every time they proved themselves wrong they thought of another way to blow a few thousand dollars to do it all again.

[lord bunberry]

Ahh yeah the flat earth doc on Netflix is brilliant!

Totally mashes the top guy...the psychologist who describes him as a big fish in a small pond and that’s how he can never leave no matter what was superb.

Then there was their experiments to prove the earth was flat. Each one failed but nope on they went to the next until they got to one that was simply not possible to not believe....

hold the torch level and I will see the light and prove the earth is flat...

are you holding the torch level? I can’t see it...

yeah it level...

hmm...

hold it up so if the earth is round I’ll see it...

Holding it up now...

oh I can see it....**** that’s a problem!!

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
The guys doing the experiments are brilliant, doomed to failure but determined to keep failing. :faf:

[EH6 Hibby]

What’s the Netflix documentary called? Sounds like something I’d enjoy.

[RyeSloan]

What’s the Netflix documentary called? Sounds like something I’d enjoy.

I could tell you but then I’d need to kill you... [emoji2957]


Behind the Curve

[ACLeith]

Ahh yeah the flat earth doc on Netflix is brilliant!

Totally mashes the top guy...the psychologist who describes him as a big fish in a small pond and that’s how he can never leave no matter what was superb.

Then there was their experiments to prove the earth was flat. Each one failed but nope on they went to the next until they got to one that was simply not possible to not believe....

hold the torch level and I will see the light and prove the earth is flat...

are you holding the torch level? I can’t see it...

yeah it level...

hmm...

hold it up so if the earth is round I’ll see it...

Holding it up now...

oh I can see it....**** that’s a problem!!

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Just after lockdown I met a guy on Leith Links that I hadn’t seen for about 25 years. Had a pleasant chat until he mentioned he was a flat earther and tried to convince me using discarded rubbish lying in the park. I left at this point but it prompted me to watch the Netflix documentary. Mad hatters tea party plus some doesn’t begin to describe it.

[danhibees1875]

Just after lockdown I met a guy on Leith Links that I hadn’t seen for about 25 years. Had a pleasant chat until he mentioned he was a flat earther and tried to convince me using discarded rubbish lying in the park. I left at this point but it prompted me to watch the Netflix documentary. Mad hatters tea party plus some doesn’t begin to describe it.

How did he use the rubbish in this analogy?

"If Earth was indeed round then that crisp packet would be rolling around right now until it fell off into space
.. oh ignore that movement, that's just the wind" :dunno:

[Keith_M]

The Earth is cube shaped. Surely everybody knows that...


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[lapsedhibee]

How did he use the rubbish in this analogy?

"If Earth was indeed round then that crisp packet would be rolling around right now until it fell off into space

Perfectly reasonable argument, once you've agreed that gravity is a hoax. How do we even know Newton existed, no photographic evidence.

[Kato]

The Earth is cube shaped. Surely everybody knows that...


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Mmmmmm, a bit cheese a pickle and a cocktail stick and you're off.

I've never met a flat earther but my question would be is why is every other planet plus the sun and the moon spherical? Also what is the point of the conspiracy? Why would "they" want to fool us over this?

[CropleyWasGod]

Mmmmmm, a bit cheese a pickle and a cocktail stick and you're off.

I've never met a flat earther but my question would be is why is every other planet plus the sun and the moon spherical? Also what is the point of the conspiracy? Why would "they" want to fool us over this?

How do we know they are spherical? All we see are circles.

[Moulin Yarns]

How do we know they are spherical? All we see are circles.

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[Kato]

How do we know they are spherical? All we see are circles.

Because we observe their rotation. Unless the surface changes are just a projection and of course "they" would go to all that bother.

[Hibrandenburg]

Apparently there's a secret group of Stalinists on Hibs net made up of looney left wing Scottish Nationalists, Greens and the odd Labour Unionist. They meet during the hours of darkness and plot attacks on Hibs net members who are slightly right compared to Karl Marx with the aim of stifling all debate. It's become so bad that people are now worried that they're not allowed to make casual racist, homophobic or misogynist remarks without these expecting to have the right to disagree and express their alternative position. What's the world coming to when people can't freely express bigoted opinions without an organised bunch of do gooder virtue signaling snowflakes getting involved?

[RyeSloan]

Mmmmmm, a bit cheese a pickle and a cocktail stick and you're off.

I've never met a flat earther but my question would be is why is every other planet plus the sun and the moon spherical? Also what is the point of the conspiracy? Why would "they" want to fool us over this?

It’s the same Q for most conspiracies...just why would anyone go to the lengths that the conspiracy requires.

The flat earth one is a perfect example...to what end is the great globe conspiracy trying to achieve?

[CropleyWasGod]

Because we observe their rotation. Unless the surface changes are just a projection and of course "they" would go to all that bother.

"we're told that" we observe their rotation.

:greengrin

[Keith_M]

"we're told that" we observe their rotation.

:greengrin


Exactly!

It's all part of the conspiracy.

[lord bunberry]

I’ve noticed a few folk wearing the flat earth t shirts, I’m guessing it’s for a laugh rather than they actually believe in it. They’re actually quite good.

[Keith_M]

A wee question for the Flat Earthers.


If the Earth is actually flat, how come we have mountains?

:hmmm:

[Saturday Boy]

It’s the same Q for most conspiracies...just why would anyone go to the lengths that the conspiracy requires.

The flat earth one is a perfect example...to what end is the great globe conspiracy trying to achieve?

It’s all about what they’re hiding underneath.
Or something..............

[lord bunberry]

A wee question for the Flat Earthers.


If the Earth is actually flat, how come we have mountains?

:hmmm:
When they say flat they mean it’s not a globe, as far as I’m aware even they’re not denying the existence of mountains. Something like this
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[ACLeith]

How did he use the rubbish in this analogy?

"If Earth was indeed round then that crisp packet would be rolling around right now until it fell off into space
.. oh ignore that movement, that's just the wind" :dunno:

It WAS a crisp packet, a stick and a clod of earth. TBH I switched off before my head exploded or I started to dribble at the mouth.

[Kato]

"we're told that" we observe their rotation.

:greengrin

Mmm, everyone with a good telescope is in on it. :hmmm:

[CropleyWasGod]

Just wait until conspiracy theorists realise that they're part of a conspiracy to use conspiracy theorists to spread disinformation by way of conspiracy theories.

(Stolen from an anti-conspiracy-theorists page on FB, which is in itself a plot to control the world and harvest "something" from our children)

[Pretty Boy]

Mmmmmm, a bit cheese a pickle and a cocktail stick and you're off.

I've never met a flat earther but my question would be is why is every other planet plus the sun and the moon spherical? Also what is the point of the conspiracy? Why would "they" want to fool us over this?

A lot of the flat earther stuff stems from extreme religious types.

I stupidly got into an argument with a guy who was an ultra orthodox Jew about it. He stated the scripture mentioned the Shamayim (firmament) and thus denying it's existence was to deny God.

I think a lot of anti science, anti establishment and other assorted oddballs have jumped on that bandwagon.

[Hibbyradge]

Why are the bad guys saying the earth is a globe?

Why don't they just admit it's flat?

[Scouse Hibee]

A wee question for the Flat Earthers.


If the Earth is actually flat, how come we have mountains?

:hmmm:

Optical illusion, there are no mountains.

[Moulin Yarns]

Optical illusion, there are no mountains.

They are just bumps in the road. :wink:

[overdrive]

The Earth is cube shaped. Surely everybody knows that...


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The moon looks like one of my whisky stones

[RyeSloan]

Why are the bad guys saying the earth is a globe?

Why don't they just admit it's flat?

I actually tried to find the answer to this yesterday....flat earthers have their own Wiki and everything!

It does seem however that the reason for this globe conspiracy being a thing lacks any real detail. Quite a bit about how NASA are the real bad guys in this and how many people make so much money out of the globe approach.

But sadly there doesn’t really seem to be any cohesive reason put forward as to why the conspiracy of all conspiracies even exists....beyond NASA faking everything, ever.

I was rather disappointed as clearly the flat earthers have put lots of effort into coming up with some rather weird and wonderful stories to explain away everything else.

[Ozyhibby]

I actually tried to find the answer to this yesterday....flat earthers have their own Wiki and everything!

It does seem however that the reason for this globe conspiracy being a thing lacks any real detail. Quite a bit about how NASA are the real bad guys in this and how many people make so much money out of the globe approach.

But sadly there doesn’t really seem to be any cohesive reason put forward as to why the conspiracy of all conspiracies even exists....beyond NASA faking everything, ever.

I was rather disappointed as clearly the flat earthers have put lots of effort into coming up with some rather weird and wonderful stories to explain away everything else.

Just shows how successful the illuminati have been in convincing everyone that the earth is a globe.


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[Kato]

Just shows how successful the illuminati have been in convincing everyone that the earth is a globe.

Yes, but why would the Illuminati pick this particular theory, to get one up on the Stonecutters?

[ACLeith]

There seems to be an increase in the number of flat earthers. If this trend continues then will their beliefs go global? 😉

[Keith_M]

Optical illusion, there are no mountains.


I just realised that the last time I saw a mountain was when I lying on the beach.

Maybe it was actually my belly I was looking at.

[Jack]

Funny this thread should pop up not long before these demonstrations happened!

LOS ANGELES — Hundreds of believers of the dangerous conspiracy theory QAnon*rallied in Hollywood on Saturday, just days after President Donald Trump praised the cult-like group.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/qanon-protest-conspiracy-theory-child-trafficking_n_5f412bb1c5b697824f992876?ri18n=true&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9jb25zZW50LnlhaG9vLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEI5HX4NeN1bNCrJ3SazxwbgpHxD H***8OhwFDwl1UK8KS1tF6pzfto-H8PFg5whT5RsCKG_ht0ChnRNfLOGVmISFhbTgWjxLtTJsOkYTy rdbgKAeLoLNClr9m22cSFJvYNC8Y6Sa-jht8eEqWIao-sL2kRZfHs7vPxrohJbHgOw&guccounter=2

[Bristolhibby]

When they say flat they mean it’s not a globe, as far as I’m aware even they’re not denying the existence of mountains. Something like this
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Could you imagine the gravity at the rim?

Where’s the centre?

What happens to the ocean at the ends.

You can sail from New York, via Suez all the way to San Francisco, then jump on a train to New York. How?

Is there another population on the “underside”? Are we the upside down people?

How thick is, and could you walk on the rim?

J

[lapsedhibee]

Could you imagine the gravity at the rim?



Gravity's a hoax. Apples fall from trees because they're denser than air.

[Keith_M]

Gravity's a hoax. Apples fall from trees because they're denser than air.



So Hearts Fans would fall incredibly quickly then.

[RyeSloan]

Could you imagine the gravity at the rim?

Where’s the centre?

What happens to the ocean at the ends.

You can sail from New York, via Suez all the way to San Francisco, then jump on a train to New York. How?

Is there another population on the “underside”? Are we the upside down people?

How thick is, and could you walk on the rim?

J

Ahh man you are just not getting it.

There is no such thing a gravity (another conspiracy I believe).

The centre is the ‘north’ pole

The ocean is contained by Antarctica which encircles the disk...keeping all the water on.

Or something like that...

Don’t even start to ask questions on whether the sun and the moon are globes or what the other planets are or what the stars are or if exo planets exist .

And defo don’t ask if space walks have ever happened (they are all fake..:done in underwater mock up’s....just like what the ISS is) as it will drive you mad that anyone, ever, can decide after reading all the crap that indeed NASA are just one big hoax, the Chinese have faked everything (check out the ‘proof’ of the bubbles videos!) the earth is after all flat!

[lord bunberry]

Could you imagine the gravity at the rim?

Where’s the centre?

What happens to the ocean at the ends.

You can sail from New York, via Suez all the way to San Francisco, then jump on a train to New York. How?

Is there another population on the “underside”? Are we the upside down people?

How thick is, and could you walk on the rim?

J
Sadly I don’t have the answers you seek, I do however believe that some of them think there’s a dome above us that projects the images of the moon and stars that we see in the night sky.

[Bristolhibby]

Sadly I don’t have the answers you seek, I do however believe that some of them think there’s a dome above us that projects the images of the moon and stars that we see in the night sky.

Like the Truman Show?

J

[matty_f]

I could tell you but then I’d need to kill you... [emoji2957]


Behind the Curve

I watched this at the weekend, it’s fascinating/disturbing/hilarious in equal measures.

The point mate about idiots having an inflated sense of their expertise was good, and i liked that the scientists thought that the way to deal with the flat earthers wasn’t to ridicule them, but to help them discover the adverts themselves.

The consistent disappointment of the experiments going “wrong” was good fun though.

[RyeSloan]

I watched this at the weekend, it’s fascinating/disturbing/hilarious in equal measures.

The point mate about idiots having an inflated sense of their expertise was good, and i liked that the scientists thought that the way to deal with the flat earthers wasn’t to ridicule them, but to help them discover the adverts themselves.

The consistent disappointment of the experiments going “wrong” was good fun though.

The weird love story mixed in where Sergeant tries, and fails, to convince us all he wasn’t interested in the woman after all and really did prefer staying with his maw just topped it all off really [emoji23]

[Pretty Boy]

Could you imagine the gravity at the rim?

Where’s the centre?

What happens to the ocean at the ends.

You can sail from New York, via Suez all the way to San Francisco, then jump on a train to New York. How?

Is there another population on the “underside”? Are we the upside down people?

How thick is, and could you walk on the rim?

J

The question I always ask is if I reach the 'edge', or Antarctica as we sphere earthers call it, why can't I just climb the ice wall and either hit the aforementioned firmament or fall off the edge? Given we have climbed almost every mountain on the planet I can't imagine no human has ever reached such an ice wall and said 'oh well that's the end of the line. Time to stop'.

[Pretty Boy]

I watched this at the weekend, it’s fascinating/disturbing/hilarious in equal measures.

The point mate about idiots having an inflated sense of their expertise was good, and i liked that the scientists thought that the way to deal with the flat earthers wasn’t to ridicule them, but to help them discover the adverts themselves.

The consistent disappointment of the experiments going “wrong” was good fun though.

I was impressed by a couple of the scientists accepting they had to shoulder some of the blame. Their acknowledgment that they have often spoken down to people, failed to make science accessible and created a vacuum that things like flat earth theory fills was laudable.

There was a lot of laughter during the Brexit campaign about the 'people are sick of experts' narrative but I think there was an uncomfortable truth it. Experts have to accept that not everyone is on their level and explaining things for the layman is a skill in itself.

[Hibrandenburg]

I watched this at the weekend, it’s fascinating/disturbing/hilarious in equal measures.

The point mate about idiots having an inflated sense of their expertise was good, and i liked that the scientists thought that the way to deal with the flat earthers wasn’t to ridicule them, but to help them discover the adverts themselves.

The consistent disappointment of the experiments going “wrong” was good fun though.

Nature is amazing.

[RyeSloan]

The question I always ask is if I reach the 'edge', or Antarctica as we sphere earthers call it, why can't I just climb the ice wall and either hit the aforementioned firmament or fall off the edge? Given we have climbed almost every mountain on the planet I can't imagine no human has ever reached such an ice wall and said 'oh well that's the end of the line. Time to stop'.

Are you trying to use logic to debunk the flat earth theory? You fool [emoji23]

As it is my research suggest the answer to this is really quite straightforward:

NASA guards the ice wall so therefore no one is actually allowed to get to it and thus climb it to prove the firmament (yes that famous nefarious militarised outfit NASA again).

Thus the globe conspiracy is upheld, the bad guys win again and NASA continues to be at the centre of denying the world the truth of all truths....the earth is flat!!


You see it’s easy this conspiracy thing....you use logic to try and disprove me and I just make up anything I want to deny you the pleasure. [emoji12]

[Keith_M]

The only reason Antartica is covered in ice is because that's where the US hides all alien spacecraft that visit earth.

They capture the spacecraft with their network of satellites, freeze them, then surround them with thousands of tonnes of ice.

The reason we're now experiencing melting of the ice caps is that some of the aliens on those spaceships have thawed out and started their engines, in a bid to escape.

As you can imagine, all those engines starting up produces a lot of heat, which both melts the ice and produces the temperature rise that some stupid scientist have attributed to 'global warming' (yet another hoax)

[Scouse Hibee]

The only reason Antartica is covered in ice is because that's where the US hides all alien spacecraft that visit earth.

They capture the spacecraft with their network of satellites, freeze them, then surround them with thousands of tonnes of ice.

The reason we're now experiencing melting of the ice caps is that some of the aliens on those spaceships have thawed out and started their engines, in a bid to escape.

As you can imagine, all those engines starting up produces a lot of heat, which both melts the ice and produces the temperature rise that some stupid scientist have attributed to 'global warming' (yet another hoax)

Wow that actually sounds feasible, been discussing it with my imaginary friend and he agrees.

[Ozyhibby]

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[matty_f]

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And they’ve stolen Jesus, by the look of it.

[lord bunberry]

There’s an anti lockdown protest going on now round at the parliament, it’s well attended and there’s no social distancing going on. I just dropped 3 people off at it who were giving me the “facts” that the media weren’t telling us, they were very keen to point out that they weren’t conspiracy theorists.
They gave me a decent tip so I wished them well.

[Peevemor]

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Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHere's another, except this one's true.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200905/92a21005b58263c11c4edca0bcaf2ae9.jpg

(oops ! I forgot it was in French - some of you will work it out).

[lapsedhibee]

Here's another, except this one's true.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200905/92a21005b58263c11c4edca0bcaf2ae9.jpg

(oops ! I forgot it was in French - some of you will work it out).

It's a heady mix, solid vegetable fat and 5G, even without all that other stuff. Doomed are we.

[Pretty Boy]

On the subject of conspiracies I see Ian Brown has just followed Morrissey into the 'used to be cool but now a total dickhead' club with his latest tweet.

[Kato]

On the subject of conspiracies I see Ian Brown has just followed Morrissey into the 'used to be cool but now a total dickhead' club with his latest tweet.

Morrisey was cool!? Never in this house. Always a dickhead.

[matty_f]

On the subject of conspiracies I see Ian Brown has just followed Morrissey into the 'used to be cool but now a total dickhead' club with his latest tweet.

Just went and looked, i just don’t get it - if our a big conspiracy, to what end? What do all the governments and scientists get out of someone wearing a mask to go round Tesco?

[stokesmessiah]

Just went and looked, i just don’t get it - if our a big conspiracy, to what end? What do all the governments and scientists get out of someone wearing a mask to go round Tesco?

You can’t ask that question!!

[Hibbyradge]

Revealed: The So-Called ‘Top Class Doctors And Nurses’ Backing Anti-Mask Protests

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/these-are-the-so-called-top-class-doctors-and-nurses-backing-anti-mask-protests_uk_5f4e4531c5b697186e3b790d

[EAZY-ME]

A few weeks ago, a friend invited me onto a FB Group - which was apparently a campaign group for getting kids back to school. Long story short, it was kind of a militant Karen kind of page.

However, off the back of that I have found another page "March on Holyrood" which I was totally and utterly taken aback by. In short, the premise is that it is a campaign page for marching for civil liberties (which have been allegedly stolen from us). However, it is absolutely full of some of the craziest conspiracies there is out there. Lot's of talk about Donald Trump eliminating the Illuminati, Bill Gates Vaccinations etc etc. I actually watched a video on there the other day, some guys doing an online interview thing - basically the guy said that the lockdown was implemented so that the government could secretly install 5G in the schools! Now the kids are back, the Army will go into the schools and infect your child. The child will then be taken away from you and your house will be demolished in the process - you will then be forced to vaccinate if you want your child/life back - this life will now be some sort of Government pawn.

Worryingly though, there were hundreds and hundreds of people commenting on how they were in agreement with it all, often adding on more complex attachments to the theory.

I don't know if i was just naive to it all before and wasn't paying attention - has it always been like this, or is the political/Covid environment made it worse?

It also leaves me wondering - is the internet actually a good thing? I have commented on a few posts on those pages and been called some pretty foul names, the main theme is a sheep for following mainstream media - they then post youtube videos and talk about them being more awoken as they have researched it more (on YouTube)

Just wondered what peoples thought's on it all were?

I've seen people talking about the vaccine and saying they are implanting microchips into everybody.....i love conspiracy theories

[Pretty Boy]

Just went and looked, i just don’t get it - if our a big conspiracy, to what end? What do all the governments and scientists get out of someone wearing a mask to go round Tesco?

It makes no sense on any level.

The Saudis have been bombing **** out of Yemen for years, the Indians and Pakistanis have had a fragile peace for decades, the US and Russia eye each other suspiciously, no one in the middle East likes Israel and a million other geopolitical considerations but they have all come together and said 'aye but it will be a good laugh to make Barry from Stoke wear a mask to collect his giro'.

[Moulin Yarns]

I've seen people talking about the vaccine and saying they are implanting microchips into everybody.....i love conspiracy theories

Is that another Trump truism? 😉

[Hibrandenburg]

Revealed: The So-Called ‘Top Class Doctors And Nurses’ Backing Anti-Mask Protests

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/these-are-the-so-called-top-class-doctors-and-nurses-backing-anti-mask-protests_uk_5f4e4531c5b697186e3b790d

Pretty much mirrors the oddball rally that took place in Berlin last week, just missing the neo Nazis.

[Hibbyradge]

Pretty much mirrors the oddball rally that took place in Berlin last week, just missing the neo Nazis.

I saw another article about this earlier.

The Nazis were there. :agree:

[Hibrandenburg]

I saw another article about this earlier.

The Nazis were there. :agree:

Thank dog for that, no oddball gathering is complete without Nazis.

[G B Young]

There’s an anti lockdown protest going on now round at the parliament, it’s well attended and there’s no social distancing going on. I just dropped 3 people off at it who were giving me the “facts” that the media weren’t telling us, they were very keen to point out that they weren’t conspiracy theorists.
They gave me a decent tip so I wished them well.

Just saw footage on the news. As you say quite a large crowd. I don't get these people at all. Sure we're all utterly fed up of this virus but pretending it doesn't exist is only going to prolong its effects and edge us closer to another lockdown.

[lord bunberry]

Just saw footage on the news. As you say quite a large crowd. I don't get these people at all. Sure we're all utterly fed up of this virus but pretending it doesn't exist is only going to prolong its effects and edge us closer to another lockdown.
That’s exactly what I think, quite a few of them had their kids with them as well. I was looking at some of their flags and banners and they said things like Falkirk for freedom, absolute lunatics. It’s worrying how easily people get sucked into this kind of rubbish, the people I dropped off were a family who all believed Covid was manufactured by the government and the vaccine would kill people.

[lapsedhibee]

It’s worrying how easily people get sucked into this kind of rubbish, the people I dropped off were a family who all believed Covid was manufactured by the government and the vaccine would kill people.

“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

[Hibrandenburg]

“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

That sounds like an ipsedixitism.

[lapsedhibee]

That sounds like an ipsedixitism.

Don't think Chesterton qualifies as an ipsedixitist on that count, as he didn't put FACT at the end of his claim.

[Pretty Boy]

The interesting thing about conspiracies is that they are often rooted in something resembling a fact. I think they can often be an easy escape for those who are both lazy yet inventive; take a snippet of a wider story, remove the context and present it as something more than it is.

The myriad theories surrounding Bill Gates are a classic example. Gates did actually suggest vaccines were a means of population control. The context that is always omitted is that he doesn't suggest vaccines are used to kill children; he suggests that couples in parts of Asia and Africa often choose to have large families as they, tragically, expect to lose children to illness. Vaccination reduces the infant mortality rate in developing countries, put those 2 things together and you can see why vaccines may have an impact on the birth rate and thus population growth. I used the term lazy earlier and I stand by it, watching a 30 second clip from a TED talk that lasted significantly longer and not seeking further context is intellectually lazy. Likewise Gates did fund a study at MIT into 'invisible ink' that could be administered at the same time as a vaccine. This is probably were the 'micro chip' theory comes from. Again there has to be a context. Once again that context is rooted in the developing world where record keeping is often poor. The technology would be visible under infrared light for around 5 years and would contain only information about children's vaccinations. Poor record keeping leads to about 1.5M preventable deaths a year in the developing world so you can see why it's an idea being considered.

I think there is a huge amount of ego involved in conspiracy theories; it was referenced earlier in the thread, absolutely no doubt whatsoever that they are right. Little self critique or willingness to consider an alternative viewpoint.

[Hibrandenburg]

Don't think Chesterton qualifies as an ipsedixitist on that count, as he didn't put FACT at the end of his claim.

But here he is still being quoted a 100 years later.

[lapsedhibee]

But here he is still being quoted a 100 years later.

That's ok though, because those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

[Kato]

“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”There is a secular impact on that thinking. Not conscious, but in a society with no overarching theme providing even a vague moral compass there's a gap to fill.

People crave myth. Most prefer myth to the actual truth, especially when their fanaticism invoked.

I'm a fanatic about music and football and the mythological stories coming from within both is usually always more alluring than the fact. You have to consciously be critical looking at anything.

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[Keith_M]

Thank dog for that, no oddball gathering is complete without Nazis.


I believe the ones in Berlin were attempting to recreate the Storming Of The Reichstag.

Apparently they were seen the next day, back home in Chemnitz, attempting to Storm A Kebab Shop.

[K-Zazu]

On the subject of conspiracies I see Ian Brown has just followed Morrissey into the 'used to be cool but now a total dickhead' club with his latest tweet.

He’s entitled to his opinion.

[Pretty Boy]

He’s entitled to his opinion.

I don't think I suggested otherwise.

I just don't buy into the somewhat modern idea that you have to respect everyone's opinion equally and lend weight to it. If an experienced virologist suggested that Little Mix were musically superior to The Stone Roses I'd suggest their opinion was a load of bollocks as well.

If we are subscribing to the idea that everyone's opinion should be heard then it's my opinion that people in a position of relative influence with an extensive reach on social media who ignore all the evidence in front of them to peddle conspiracy theories about covid being a hoax are dickheads.

[Just Alf]

Turns out there actually IS a worldwide conspiracy regarding climate change..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-53640382



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[matty_f]

I don't think I suggested otherwise.

I just don't buy into the somewhat modern idea that you have to respect everyone's opinion equally and lend weight to it. If an experienced virologist suggested that Little Mix were musically superior to The Stone Roses I'd suggest their opinion was a load of bollocks as well.

If we are subscribing to the idea that everyone's opinion should be heard then it's my opinion that people in a position of relative influence with an extensive reach on social media who ignore all the evidence in front of them to peddle conspiracy theories about covid being a hoax are dickheads.

Folk can have opinions that are wrong, and it should be ok to call that out as well. :agree:

If your opinion is that the earth is flat, then your opinion really doesn't hold any value whatsoever.

[Kato]

If an experienced virologist suggested that Little Mix were musically superior to The Stone Roses I'd suggest their opinion was a load of bollocks as well.
.

That's a subjective point of view though, whichever way you look at it it's an opinion which can be valid.

When it comes to science objectivity is required.



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[Hibbyradge]

Folk can have opinions that are wrong, and it should be ok to call that out as well. :agree:

If your opinion is that the earth is flat, then your opinion really doesn't hold any value whatsoever.

Can you have an opinion about a known fact?

Coffee contains caffeine*. This is a fact. To argue that it does not, is not an opinion, it is simply wrong and that view doesn't deserve any respect.

* Unless the caffeine is removed. Obvs.

Saying that the earth is flat is also not an opinion. It's just wrong.

[matty_f]

Can you have an opinion about a known fact?

Coffee contains caffeine*. This is a fact. To argue that it does not, is not an opinion, it is simply wrong and that view doesn't deserve any respect.

* Unless the caffeine is removed. Obvs.

Saying that the earth is flat is also not an opinion. It's just wrong.

I agree - but what happens is people state the incorrect fact and when challenged present it as their opinion. So their opinion is wrong.

[Hibbyradge]

I agree - but what happens is people state the incorrect fact and when challenged present it as their opinion. So their opinion is wrong.

I know I'm splitting hairs, and I know you agree, but that the earth is round or that 2+2=4 are not a matters of opinion.

Therefore, someone saying that "it's my opinion" that the earth is flat, is wrong on 2 counts.

[lapsedhibee]

the earth is round or that 2+2=4 are not matters of opinion.


Depends. (https://www.businessinsider.com/2--2-doesnt-always-equal-4-2014-6?r=US&IR=T) :na na:

[Hibbyradge]

Depends. (https://www.businessinsider.com/2--2-doesnt-always-equal-4-2014-6?r=US&IR=T) :na na:

It depends on there not being a smart arse in the room! :na na:

[1 8 7 5]

I know I'm splitting hairs, and I know you agree, but that the earth is round or that 2+2=4 are not a matters of opinion.

Therefore, someone saying that "it's my opinion" that the earth is flat, is wrong on 2 counts.

its an oblate spheroid. :greengrin

[matty_f]

I know I'm splitting hairs, and I know you agree, but that the earth is round or that 2+2=4 are not a matters of opinion.

Therefore, someone saying that "it's my opinion" that the earth is flat, is wrong on 2 counts.

I know. That doesn't stop them from telling you that they're entitled to their opinion (or from repeating that opinion, loudly and often).