Boli Bolingoli

[Vault Boy]

Glad that our game (and the season) is still on, as things stand.

If we've had two significant breaches (known to the public, anyway) in the two weeks the Premiership has been back, **** knows how we're going to last the whole season.

Hopefully a massive wakeup call for anyone thinking the guidelines can be stretched or don't apply to them. Imagine being the one individual responsible for the game being halted again in Scotland, you'd hear no end of it for years.

[Bristolhibby]

” people coming here wanting to work “. I think it was just announced we had another 750,000 added to the unemployment total.

We all know there’s work that Indigenous Brits won’t do and that migrants will do. This will become even worse post Brexit. Either some of that 750,000 do those jobs or we need an immigrant to come in to do them. Plus Britain has been taking woefully small numbers of refugees compared to other countries. Countries like the Lebanon. Who’s better placed to look after refugees? The Lebanon or us?

Read a great line at the start of the migrant “crisis”.

Along the lines “If a man speaking three languages can get him and his family out of a war zone, through heavily guarded borders and get them across Europe to the U.K. with only the clothes on their backs, that’s exactly the type of guy I want working in my company.”

Anyway I digress.

The guys an idiot for going to Spain and should have the book thrown at him.

J

[Hibs90]

Glad that our game (and the season) is still on, as things stand.

If we've had two significant breaches (known to the public, anyway) in the two weeks the Premiership has been back, **** knows how we're going to last the whole season.

Hopefully a massive wakeup call for anyone thinking the guidelines can be stretched or don't apply to them. Imagine being the one individual responsible for the game being halted again in Scotland, you'd hear no end of it for years.

Not only for the game being halted, but potentially clubs falling by the wayside..

[mal]

You'd have to think that Saturday's Celtic v Dons fixture will be in jeopardy as well.

It's a pity for the opponents of Celtic and Aberdeen that they are having to suffer but it should focus some people's attention on the seriousness of the situation. These postponements could potentially allow ourselves and Sevco to put pressure on these teams by creating a significant points gap early in the season. And that's before any actual punishments are applied.

[BoomtownHibees]

So Aberdeen will have at least 3 games to fit in in future.

Which is tough **** however really not fair if it starts to affect the other teams as well due to fixture congestion

[Bristolhibby]

Was chatting to my Dad today. Would Sturgeon call off football?

That would be one hell of a punt, not a vote winner.

J

[SHODAN]

You'd have to think that Saturday's Celtic v Dons fixture will be in jeopardy as well.

It's a pity for the opponents of Celtic and Aberdeen that they are having to suffer but it should focus some people's attention on the seriousness of the situation. These postponements could potentially allow ourselves and Sevco to put pressure on these teams by creating a significant points gap early in the season. And that's before any actual punishments are applied.

It's off.

[delbert]

Sheep and celtic games off

Surely Kilmarnock games will be unable to take place as well, their players were in close contact with this idiot on Sunday, so their players being in close contact with others as of now surely will also breach the current safety measures. For what it’s worth, I think there will be more stories to come on this about other clubs and by September, I think football up here will be stopped again, just a feeling although I really hope I’m wrong.

[Hibernia&Alba]

We all know there’s work that Indigenous Brits won’t do and that migrants will do. This will become even worse post Brexit. Either some of that 750,000 do those jobs or we need an immigrant to come in to do them. Plus Britain has been taking woefully small numbers of refugees compared to other countries. Countries like the Lebanon. Who’s better placed to look after refugees? The Lebanon or us?

Read a great line at the start of the migrant “crisis”.

Along the lines “If a man speaking three languages can get him and his family out of a war zone, through heavily guarded borders and get them across Europe to the U.K. with only the clothes on their backs, that’s exactly the type of guy I want working in my company.”

Anyway I digress.

The guys an idiot for going to Spain and should have the book thrown at him.

J

:applause:

[Berwickhibby]

With the lesse greens European tie 8 days away, I wonder if this is in jeopardy 🤔

[lord bunberry]

Where Celtic or Aberdeen due to be on tv in the next week?

[greenpaper55]

Would she close the entire construction industry if one worker went to Spain and never quarantined ? the SG is a disaster .

[Numptie]

Griffiths and Morelos have also broken the rules. Almost guaranteed that other footballers have met others without social distancing etc. Don't think that Hibs players will have been saints here. The players need to screw the nut and stay in their bubble.

[BoomtownHibees]

Where Celtic or Aberdeen due to be on tv in the next week?

Celtc tomorrow night

[BoomtownHibees]

Griffiths and Morelos have also broken the rules. Almost guaranteed that other footballers have met others without social distancing etc. Don't think that Hibs players will have been saints here. The players need to screw the nut and stay in their bubble.

Have seen the Griffiths stuff. What did Morelos do?

[Numptie]

Would she close the entire construction industry if one worker went to Spain and never quarantined ? the SG is a disaster .

If a construction worker did this then every work mate he met with would have to isolate. Footballers have been given a privilege, to not socially distance at work.

[Kaff]

The reasoning for Celtic game being called off is sound as there's the potential of infection from Bolingoli but that should actually mean Ross County v Kilmarnock should also be off.
Kilmarnock don't deserve the congested fixtures but if it's based on public health it should be extended to them. It looks like it's actually a punishment to Celtic and Aberdeen postponing these matches.

[mal]

It's off.

Cheers. Here's the newsflash for anyone just tuning in: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53736447

ETA: Sky are going to be really pissed off with this. That's another TV game postponed and they'll have lost money from having the OB unit in placefor the game postponed last Saturday.

[lord bunberry]

Would she close the entire construction industry if one worker went to Spain and never quarantined ? the SG is a disaster .
The whole construction industry were allowed back at the same time. Football was given special dispensation over other sports and they’ve thrown it back in our faces. Your analogy is stupid.

[oneone73]

The reasoning for Celtic game being called off is sound as there's the potential of infection from Bolingoli but that should actually mean Ross County v Kilmarnock should also be off.
Kilmarnock don't deserve the congested fixtures but if it's based on public health it should be extended to them. It looks like it's actually a punishment to Celtic and Aberdeen postponing these matches.

How long was Bolingoli on the pitch? I doubt any Killie player would be deemed a close contact.

[Phil MaGlass]

Would she close the entire construction industry if one worker went to Spain and never quarantined ? the SG is a disaster .

Are you for real, its not the SG,s fault football players thought they could do anything they want to, they would have been within their rights to stop the season ffs.

[Lendo]

Would she close the entire construction industry if one worker went to Spain and never quarantined ? the SG is a disaster .

Can you expand on what part is a disaster exactly?

[CapitalGreen]

Posted the below on the Coronavirus thread:

Good news for Aberdeen if their games are off. Means they won’t be without the missing 8 players when the games are re-scheduled. Their rescheduled games could also presumably happen once fans are allowed back so an opportunity for extra income they otherwise wouldn’t have had.

[Ozyhibby]

So they don’t have to play with a weakened squad and they can reschedule the games for when fans are allowed back in? Bit of a result for Celtic and Aberdeen.


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[Sir David Gray]

Sturgeon resisting the temptation to say how many more breaches might be required for the red card to come out.

It's just delaying the inevitable in my opinion. I can't see how we get through the next few months without young men thinking the rules don't apply to them.

[mcohibs]

Then they will need to play every day for a week if needs be. Its their problem. They need to Deal with it.

The point is, it's not just Aberdeen's problem if fixture congestion happens. It is unfair on the teams they were meant to be playing to have to postpone and play at a later date with less time in between games as well. I don't have an answer as to how to solve that but it's not just a case of 'deal with it' for Aberdeen. Everyone is affected by their stupidity

[FilipinoHibs]

How long was Bolingoli on the pitch? I doubt any Killie player would be deemed a close contact.

He could have infected his team mates who could have infected the Killie players. It takes up to 14 days after infection for the virus to be detected. Both killie and Celtic should be put in a 14 day quarantine with regular testing. Only safe way to handle it.

[Kaff]

How long was Bolingoli on the pitch? I doubt any Killie player would be deemed a close contact.

I don't know as never watched the game but if there was a free kick or corner situation then there would a lot of jockeying and close contact. Jason Leitch did comment specifically about 2 teams and possible infection across them and that was reason for Celtic game being off.
I don't want Killie or Ross County to suffer, was just an observation

[B.H.F.C]

Leach and Sturgeon saying this is a line in the sand. Correct approach IMO. Leach acknowledging that people will be trying to dig things up that have already happened.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Sturgeon resisting the temptation to say how many more breaches might be required for the red card to come out.

It's just delaying the inevitable in my opinion. I can't see how we get through the next few months without young men thinking the rules don't apply to them.

It has to be a real danger now. No doubt the clubs will lay down the law to all players, but can they be trusted to take notice? Time will tell.

[we are hibs]

The point is, it's not just Aberdeen's problem if fixture congestion happens. It is unfair on the teams they were meant to be playing to have to postpone and play at a later date with less time in between games as well. I don't have an answer as to how to solve that but it's not just a case of 'deal with it' for Aberdeen. Everyone is affected by their stupidity

Deduct them points then.

[hhibs]

We all know there’s work that Indigenous Brits won’t do and that migrants will do. This will become even worse post Brexit. Either some of that 750,000 do those jobs or we need an immigrant to come in to do them. Plus Britain has been taking woefully small numbers of refugees compared to other countries. Countries like the Lebanon. Who’s better placed to look after refugees? The Lebanon or us?

Read a great line at the start of the migrant “crisis”.

Along the lines “If a man speaking three languages can get him and his family out of a war zone, through heavily guarded borders and get them across Europe to the U.K. with only the clothes on their backs, that’s exactly the type of guy I want working in my company.”

Anyway I digress.

The guys an idiot for going to Spain and should have the book thrown at him.

J

Well said Bristol.

[GreenCastle]

Griffiths and Morelos have also broken the rules. Almost guaranteed that other footballers have met others without social distancing etc. Don't think that Hibs players will have been saints here. The players need to screw the nut and stay in their bubble.

Explain what their bubble is ??

Players have partners and kids etc.

The players partners etc are seeing other friends / WAGS etc / kids are meeting other kids families.

It’s not simply train / go home and play. Players would go insane. They have been to coffee shops etc.

It’s quite simply be sensible and don’t travel to Spain or go to a pub after a defeat with 8 team mates !!

[Hibs90]

Drawing a line in the sand Sturgeon says....

Sounds like any more breaches and thats it.

[Spike Mandela]

Aberdeen with eight players self isolsting are actually benefitting from their game being off.

SFA for once in their ****ing miserable, pathetic pretence of governing need to actually be seen to do something to hold these players accountable.

[mcohibs]

Deduct them points then.

I agree

[GreenCastle]

Leach and Sturgeon saying this is a line in the sand. Correct approach IMO. Leach acknowledging that people will be trying to dig things up that have already happened.

Rangers fans wanting Celtic to be deducted points etc and try get at Celtic to put them off 10 in a row as much as possible.

[Keith_M]

There's absolutely no way the players we know about are the only ones that have been irresponsible and it's now only a matter of time before this 'line in the sand' is crossed.

The future of Scottish Football is in the hands of a few irresponsible and totally selfish idiots.

[hfc rd]

Sturgeon resisting the temptation to say how many more breaches might be required for the red card to come out.

It's just delaying the inevitable in my opinion. I can't see how we get through the next few months without young men thinking the rules don't apply to them.

Yep, I agree.

[Real Emerald]

Deduct them points then.

Agree, they would soon get the message if points were deducted.

[hhibs]

[QUOTE=greenpaper55;6263571]Would she close the entire construction industry if one worker went to Spain and never quarantined ? the SG is a disaster .[/QUOTE



Give it a rest !

[GreenCastle]

Aberdeen with eight players self isolsting are actually benefitting from their game being off.

SFA for once in their ****ing miserable, pathetic pretence of governing need to actually be seen to do something to hold these players accountable.

Benefitting just now with the rest but also sometime they will have quite a few games in a short space of time.

I feel for St Johnstone - shambles they find out 24 hours before the match their opponents aren’t turning up.

At least give them a 1-0 head start next time they play Aberdeen ;)

[Jones28]

Tough.

Also **** for their opponents who have stuck to the rules though.

[Numptie]

Explain what their bubble is ??

Players have partners and kids etc.

The players partners etc are seeing other friends / WAGS etc / kids are meeting other kids families.

It’s not simply train / go home and play. Players would go insane. They have been to coffee shops etc.

It’s quite simply be sensible and don’t travel to Spain or go to a pub after a defeat with 8 team mates !!

SPFL could have put them all in a Hotel and not allowed them home. They have been given some freedom, they just need to not break the rules we have all to follow. It's not that difficult - go to work, come home, go to sleep.

[Scooter]

Any team that can't fulfill fixtures because of breach in protocol should be forced to forfeit said games tona 1-0 loss.

[Bristolhibby]

Explain what their bubble is ??

Players have partners and kids etc.

The players partners etc are seeing other friends / WAGS etc / kids are meeting other kids families.

It’s not simply train / go home and play. Players would go insane. They have been to coffee shops etc.

It’s quite simply be sensible and don’t travel to Spain or go to a pub after a defeat with 8 team mates !!

That’s their bubble. Going out on a Saturday night to George Street, ain’t part of the bubble. Going to Spain certainly isn’t!

J

[Kaff]

It has to be a real danger now. No doubt the clubs will lay down the law to all players, but can they be trusted to take notice? Time will tell.

This is the clubs situation to manage and they have to take responsibility for their employees.
I work in the food industry and we have all levels of educated employees throughout, from those with university backgrounds to illiterate or people with no knowledge of the English language. Is it acceptable that someone, through lack of training/education, is able to put someone's health at risk? Absolutely not and in the instance of lack of training the company is held responsible regardless of their ability to comply with the training. If the company is unsure of the ability to carry out the task then they don't use them for roles where it is necessary.
These are minimum wage workers.
The clubs have the same problem, if they feel a player is not capable of following safety guidelines then they should not be in the front line, an expensive player like Bolingoli should perhaps be internally furlough Ed until its safe for him to be trusted again.
Every club will have a potential rulebreaker and its up to the clubs to identify them

[Cabbage East]

Would she close the entire construction industry if one worker went to Spain and never quarantined ? the SG is a disaster .


This is one of the most stupid posts I’ve ever read on here.

[hibbycraig]

SPFL/SFA need to force a points deduction for these breaches .

[Bristolhibby]

SPFL/SFA need to force a points deduction for these breaches .

Problem is they haven’t set out the punishments before the offence. They also set a precedence if not punishing Aberdeen.

What a **** show! There has been no football since March?!? WFT were they doing?

J

[The Count]

Watched the press conference.Boli certainly took the heat of Nicola regarding exam results.Journalist questions certainly show how important football is in Scottish Society.SFA/SPLA have to make sure players who cannot play in the next match as a result of the breaches cannot play in the rearranged match.That should be the punishment.Fines just dont work.

[BoomtownHibees]

Why is the Aberdeen v Hamilton game now off? It was due to be played until we found out about Boli’s trip to Spain

[hibee_girl]

SPFL/SFA need to force a points deduction for these breaches .

Suspect we’ll hear more about punishments etc later today

[neil7908]

Posted the below on the Coronavirus thread:

Good news for Aberdeen if their games are off. Means they won’t be without the missing 8 players when the games are re-scheduled. Their rescheduled games could also presumably happen once fans are allowed back so an opportunity for extra income they otherwise wouldn’t have had.

Yup. Why are we allowing them to postpone games? I know this has happened in days gone by with things like food poisoning but now they should have to fulfill the fixtures. Right now any team that doesn't fancy a game at the weekend or is having a crap start to the season can now take a route to postponing the game, apparently with zero consequences.

The players and the clubs should get hammered. No doubt we'll see no action, or maybe some £2.5k fines handed out.

[SHODAN]

Why is the Aberdeen v Hamilton game now off? It was due to be played until we found out about Boli’s trip to Spain

I suspect they were probably going to call it off anyway.

[Scorrie]

Why is the Aberdeen v Hamilton game now off? It was due to be played until we found out about Boli’s trip to Spain

Maybe due to First Minister announcement that neither Aberdeen or Celtic will play this week

[BoomtownHibees]

Maybe due to First Minister announcement that neither Aberdeen or Celtic will play this week

Up until today that game was due to go ahead. The only thing that has changed is a Celtc player doing something he shouldn’t have. Why does that change things for Aberdeen?

[BoomtownHibees]

I suspect they were probably going to call it off anyway.

Possibly. Suppose we will never know

[Keith_M]

'Bolingoli said he wanted to apologise to his manager, teammates, supporters, “and so many others for letting them down so badly”. He added: “I am guilty of a major error of judgment. I know what I did was wrong and I know that I must now deal with the consequences.” '


So he now knows it was wrong... once it's out in the public domain and he's been pulled up for it.

Funny how people admitting things like this after the fact never seem to know it was wrong, or even care, when it really mattered.

[Sir David Gray]

Sky will be delighted that another one of their live games (St Mirren v Celtic tomorrow) is now off.

[Kaff]

I suspect they were probably going to call it off anyway.

Someone earlier this week showed a statement from SG that was saying this game had been requested to be postponed.
Was before the games on Saturday I think?

Edit. This should be it I think
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kheredine2018/status/1291811947739054080?s=19

[JimBHibees]

Sky will be delighted that another one of their live games (St Mirren v Celtic tomorrow) is now off.

They should try and move one of the other games to 6pm appreciate likely not enough notice.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Why is the Aberdeen v Hamilton game now off? It was due to be played until we found out about Boli’s trip to Spain

Aberdeen v Hamilton was always under risk and was postponed due to the cluster outbreak in Aberdeen which is still creating new cases up to around 170 in total now.

The clown at Celtic just made the decision to postpone that much easier.

[Hibernia&Alba]

This is the clubs situation to manage and they have to take responsibility for their employees.
I work in the food industry and we have all levels of educated employees throughout, from those with university backgrounds to illiterate or people with no knowledge of the English language. Is it acceptable that someone, through lack of training/education, is able to put someone's health at risk? Absolutely not and in the instance of lack of training the company is held responsible regardless of their ability to comply with the training. If the company is unsure of the ability to carry out the task then they don't use them for roles where it is necessary.
These are minimum wage workers.
The clubs have the same problem, if they feel a player is not capable of following safety guidelines then they should not be in the front line, an expensive player like Bolingoli should perhaps be internally furlough Ed until its safe for him to be trusted again.
Every club will have a potential rulebreaker and its up to the clubs to identify them

Yes, but the difference is the football breaches occurred outside of work, in players' own time. Clubs can't be responsible for that, nor can any other employer. Players are grown men who should be able to follow simple rules.

[MyJo]

SPFL need to make it clear what’s going to happen if there are any more breaches like this and lay down the law.

The postponed fixtures up to this week need to be played behind closed doors regardless of when fans are allowed to return to stadiums and the players involved in causing the breaches are suspended for those fixtures as punishment.

Going forward any games that need to be postponed due to inappropriate behaviour and breaches of the guidelines by staff and players are instead forfeited by the offending club who can’t fulfil the fixture.

[Kaff]

Yes, but the difference is the football breaches occurred outside of work, in players' own time. Clubs can't be responsible for that, nor can any other employer. Players are grown men who should be able to follow simple rules.

Yes but not entirely without parallel. If a food worker returns to work after illness unrelated to his work, and this includes returning from a foreign country with low hygiene standards although not having been showing signs of illness, and infects the public then this is employer responsibility and is classed as not performing a safe return to work.

[The 90+2]

Aberdeen with eight players self isolsting are actually benefitting from their game being off.

SFA for once in their ****ing miserable, pathetic pretence of governing need to actually be seen to do something to hold these players accountable.

This.

At least if the governing bodies look to be doing all the can ie punish clubs then it will look a bit better for the game.

[gbhibby]

Both clubs should issue statements apologising for their player/players actions together with making a large donation to the NHS at least six figures.

[Sir David Gray]

They should try and move one of the other games to 6pm appreciate likely not enough notice.

It would also mean quite a lot of refunds for anyone who had bought the PPV stream from the home club if that wasn't allowed after Sky took the game.

[mixumatosis]

Problem is they haven’t set out the punishments before the offence. They also set a precedence if not punishing Aberdeen.

What a **** show! There has been no football since March?!? WFT were they doing?

J

Arguing with a couple of petulant toddlers who didn't want to accept the only viable outcome to conclude last season.

Without wishing to make everything about "them", you have to wonder how much better prepared the SPFL could have been to deal with incidents like this if they had not had to spend all summer defending a frivolous legal case.

[Andy74]

Going to Spain and not saying is extreme but there will be lots of other breaches of guidance by players - in the same way as people everyday now are far more relaxed with respect to following the guidance.

The Aberdeen thing was daft but I really wouldn’t expect a widespread footballer problem here any more than you’d see in the general population.

[Smartie]

Up until today that game was due to go ahead. The only thing that has changed is a Celtc player doing something he shouldn’t have. Why does that change things for Aberdeen?

I love that the First Minister isn't mucking about.

We can all resort to Scottish football type and bicker and whatabout ourselves into a lather but the bottom line is - some Aberdeen players have tested positive, some Celtic players have been found to have not just broken the rules but flagrantly ripped the piss out of them. This is likely the tip of the iceberg and footballers who have a Dominic Cummings style ego about being above the type of stuff that the regular type guy has to deal with will have been breaking the rules all over the shop, and this sends a very direct message out to them.

We are very lucky indeed that that Scottish football hasn't been shut down and tbh the next transgression, it likely will be. It's not that we haven't been warned.

This is a global pandemic and it is deadly. Everyone is going to have to make some sort of sacrifice, and if we do, we'll get through it. The more people expect to be able to take the piss, the more trouble it is likely to be for all of us.

Personally, I think Bolingoli should have been firmly booted out of Parkhead, £3m transfer fee or no transfer fee.

Obviously Nicola Sturgeon is an experienced and decisive leader. It is probably too much to expect for Scottish football authorities to show similar levels of leadership, but they need to very quickly get not just guidance but hard and fast rules out there regarding what happens if breaches occur, and they need to be tough. Scottish football likes to make it up as it goes along and it leads to acrimony, bitterness and avoidable difficult situations, such as the Hearts palaver all summer. They can stop this become similar if they want to, but they'll need tough rules that they're prepared to enforce.

[mixumatosis]

Both clubs should issue statements apologising for their player/players actions together with making a large donation to the NHS at least six figures.

I'd like to see both Aberdeen and Celtic fine all involved the maximum they can legally get away with, then donate the fines to the SPFL Trust. If the league gets stopped that money can be paid out to the clubs who are left out of pocket.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Yes but not entirely without parallel. If a food worker returns to work after illness unrelated to his work, and this includes returning from a foreign country with low hygiene standards although not having been showing signs of illness, and infects the public then this is employer responsibility and is classed as not performing a safe return to work.

I would imagine clubs must prove they have taken all reasonable measures to prevent lockdown breaches; beyond that threshold the players are accountable for what happens in their free time.


I love that the First Minister isn't mucking about.

We can all resort to Scottish football type and bicker and whatabout ourselves into a lather but the bottom line is - some Aberdeen players have tested positive, some Celtic players have been found to have not just broken the rules but flagrantly ripped the piss out of them. This is likely the tip of the iceberg and footballers who have a Dominic Cummings style ego about being above the type of stuff that the regular type guy has to deal with will have been breaking the rules all over the shop, and this sends a very direct message out to them.

We are very lucky indeed that that Scottish football hasn't been shut down and tbh the next transgression, it likely will be. It's not that we haven't been warned.

This is a global pandemic and it is deadly. Everyone is going to have to make some sort of sacrifice, and if we do, we'll get through it. The more people expect to be able to take the piss, the more trouble it is likely to be for all of us.

Personally, I think Bolingoli should have been firmly booted out of Parkhead, £3m transfer fee or no transfer fee.

Obviously Nicola Sturgeon is an experienced and decisive leader. It is probably too much to expect for Scottish football authorities to show similar levels of leadership, but they need to very quickly get not just guidance but hard and fast rules out there regarding what happens if breaches occur, and they need to be tough. Scottish football likes to make it up as it goes along and it leads to acrimony, bitterness and avoidable difficult situations, such as the Hearts palaver all summer. They can stop this become similar if they want to, but they'll need tough rules that they're prepared to enforce.

:agree: :top marks

[hibbyfraelibby]

That would cause a legal minefield, as the clubs aren't responsible for what the players do in their own time. Nobody fined for breaching lockdown have also had their employer punished; it isn't the employers' fault. If clubs had given the okay to such behaviour, that's another matter. Perhaps it was a mistake to re-start at this time.

Any employer would be entitled to consider this an incident of gross misconduct and grounds for dismissal.

There are numetous precedents in employment law cases where someone's personal actions away from their place of work has resulted in their legitimate dismissal.

This case is no different to any other just because it involves football. No legal minefield.

[Blaster]

I'd like to see both Aberdeen and Celtic fine all involved the maximum they can legally get away with, then donate the fines to the SPFL Trust. If the league gets stopped that money can be paid out to the clubs who are left out of pocket.

Correct. And the PFA should come out and say they fully support clubs who fine their players for breaching the rules.

[HFC93]

Remember when Stuart Kettlewell (and a few folk on here) slated Hibs for sensibly not going ahead with a bounce game and sticking to the rules? Interested in what he has got to say on Celtic and Aberdeen situation.

[0762]

The whole construction industry were allowed back at the same time. Football was given special dispensation over other sports and they’ve thrown it back in our faces. Your analogy is stupid.

Absolutely - Football lobbied hard to get restarted. In doing so collectively they need to put in place checks that ensure this sort of thing can't happen.

Anyone who jeopardises the fixtures taking place because of clear breaches of the rules should have the book thrown at them. Clubs need to be properly disciplining players. The SPFL and if need be the SFA should be further sanction the players with suspensions. If we can sanction players for betting on games and even making social media comments there has to be a rule that could cover them breaking the law.

[Keith_M]

Going to Spain and not saying is extreme but there will be lots of other breaches of guidance by players - in the same way as people everyday now are far more relaxed with respect to following the guidance.

The Aberdeen thing was daft but I really wouldn’t expect a widespread footballer problem here any more than you’d see in the general population.


Similar breaches won't shutdown other industries, but there is that danger when it comes to football.

Whether that seems fair or not, they are being judged by entirely different standards.

[Brooster]

Personally, I think Bolingoli should have been firmly booted out of Parkhead, £3m transfer fee or no transfer fee.


I'm hearing he's been sacked.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Any employer would be entitled to consider this an incident of gross misconduct and grounds for dismissal.

There are numetous precedents in employment law cases where someone's personal actions away from their place of work has resulted in their legitimate dismissal.

This case is no different to any other just because it involves football. No legal minefield.

I meant a legal minefield in terms of punishing clubs e.g. points deductions for player breaches of lockdown. The clubs would appeal any such moves; it would become a real mess.

[Bristolhibby]

Any employer would be entitled to consider this an incident of gross misconduct and grounds for dismissal.

There are numetous precedents in employment law cases where someone's personal actions away from their place of work has resulted in their legitimate dismissal.

This case is no different to any other just because it involves football. No legal minefield.

No way Celtic will sack a £3m signing.

J

[Kaff]

[QUOTE=Hibernia&Alba;6263692]I would imagine clubs must prove they have taken all reasonable measures to prevent lockdown breaches; beyond that threshold the players are accountable for what happens in their free time.
:agree: :top marks[/QUOTE

Yes, the employer has the worker fill out a return to work questionnaire and then acts upon the answers.
The clubs should have had a similar form for the players stating their responsibilities and making sure they understood the content of it.
Provides the club with proof of training undertaken by the player for disciplinary action and evidence to the authorities that they had fulfilled their responsibilities.
Have the clubs done this to the degree that covers them for employees making either ignorant or deliberate mistakes? I'm thinking they haven't and if that is the case then the clubs have to be held responsible.
Some level of assumption on my behalf of course
Edit.
I agree with you it will be very hard to nail clubs for points etc on this basis.
I'm against monetary punishment though as it should mean Celtic escape relatively unscathed.
If they have sacked Bolingoli that is a big financial step but it is more likely to protect their Champions league participation if you're being cynical

[Since452]

Hope and pray players take heed of Sturgeons warning. I won't bank on it though.

[WhileTheChief..]

No way Celtic will sack a £3m signing.

J

I think they will.

They'll then go after the player to recoup the money he’s cost them.

[Brizo]

I love that the First Minister isn't mucking about.

We can all resort to Scottish football type and bicker and whatabout ourselves into a lather but the bottom line is - some Aberdeen players have tested positive, some Celtic players have been found to have not just broken the rules but flagrantly ripped the piss out of them. This is likely the tip of the iceberg and footballers who have a Dominic Cummings style ego about being above the type of stuff that the regular type guy has to deal with will have been breaking the rules all over the shop, and this sends a very direct message out to them.

We are very lucky indeed that that Scottish football hasn't been shut down and tbh the next transgression, it likely will be. It's not that we haven't been warned.

This is a global pandemic and it is deadly. Everyone is going to have to make some sort of sacrifice, and if we do, we'll get through it. The more people expect to be able to take the piss, the more trouble it is likely to be for all of us.

Personally, I think Bolingoli should have been firmly booted out of Parkhead, £3m transfer fee or no transfer fee.

Obviously Nicola Sturgeon is an experienced and decisive leader. It is probably too much to expect for Scottish football authorities to show similar levels of leadership, but they need to very quickly get not just guidance but hard and fast rules out there regarding what happens if breaches occur, and they need to be tough. Scottish football likes to make it up as it goes along and it leads to acrimony, bitterness and avoidable difficult situations, such as the Hearts palaver all summer. They can stop this become similar if they want to, but they'll need tough rules that they're prepared to enforce.

Great post :top marks

A lack of brains and a lot of arrogance is what characterises the mindset of a lot of professional players. No surprise that these players at the sheep and Celtc thought they were above the guidance. That "ill do what I want" mindset doesn't just apply to footballers but they are the ones who are currently in the public eye. The Scottish football authorities should have foreseen potential rule breaking and had sanctions in place to deal with such, ahead of the season starting .

Now they're left having to either act retrospectively or sanction the next club who's player(s) breaks the rules. Scottish players idiocy is compounded by incompetent authorities. I agree with Smartie that it'll be left to the Scottish government to deal with Scottish footballs problem.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I meant a legal minefield in terms of punishing clubs e.g. points deductions for player breaches of lockdown. The clubs would appeal any such moves; it would become a real mess.

ok accept your clarification however the clubs snd the SPFL and the SFA all signed up to the protocol, which makes them liable for the behaviour of their employees, whether at work or away from it.

In both the Aberdeen and Celtic cases the clubs clearly had not put in place adequate mitigation to ensure compliance with the protocols by their employees. If hit by punishment and financial penalties then their redress is not against the authorities but against the transgressors on a personal level. Again plenty of precedents of employers purssing employees for financial losses.

[Mon Dieu4]

The SFA have postponed Aberdeen and Celtics next 2 games now

[MWHIBBIES]

Seems Lennon actually gave the squad all that time off. No wonder they were rubbish on Sunday. Huns must be loving this.

[One Day Soon]

I think this year's statement league will be the most competitive in decades.

[neil7908]

Seems Lennon actually gave the squad all that time off. No wonder they were rubbish on Sunday. Huns must be loving this.

I don't get that. They've just had months off and now they get more time off after 1 game?

[04Sauzee]

SFA / SPFL Joint Response Group confirm postponement of:

Aberdeen v Hamilton Academical

St Mirren v Celtic

Aberdeen v Celtic

[Since452]

Aberdeen's next game against us then? Hopefully catch them cold

*Forgetting their rearranged game

[GreenCastle]

This is turning into a mess.

Rangers / Hibs are top of the league..Celtic player does something against protocol - Scottish football gets the “red card “ from the government and league / season is suspended - could you imagine the up roar ?!

Just postponing matches hoping the situation improves isn’t the way forward - there has to be some consequences for each club. Maybe a warning then points deduction with 2nd offence?

Again this is not good publicity for the game in Scotland - last thing they wanted after the Hearts farce.

[Hibernia&Alba]

ok accept your clarification however the clubs snd the SPFL and the SFA all signed up to the protocol, which makes them liable for the behaviour of their employees, whether at work or away from it.

In both the Aberdeen and Celtic cases the clubs clearly had not put in place adequate mitigation to ensure compliance with the protocols by their employees. If hit by punishment an financial penalties then their redress is not against the authorities but against the transgressors on a personal level. Again plenty of precedents of employers purssing employees for financial losses.

Aye, I suppose we will cross that bridge when we come to it. But sanctions such as points deductions would cause mayhem. I don't envy the job of the SPFL and the SFA in overseeing this.

[KingPat4]

If the clubs involved had been say, Ross County and St Mirren, then points would have already been docked.

[JimBHibees]

Seems Lennon actually gave the squad all that time off. No wonder they were rubbish on Sunday. Huns must be loving this.

4 days that seems incredible at this time of the season and the Champs league coming. 2 days max anything more seems strange. It certainly showed on Sunday imo

[Greenbeard]

SFA / SPFL Joint Response Group confirm postponement of:

Aberdeen v Hamilton Academical

St Mirren v Celtic

Aberdeen v Celtic
When will these be played if there was only one spare date before the split? And what if we get more games off? Hopefully there is a contingency.

[bigwheel]

it's a serious situation this. If (and yes a big if) they were to shut down football for a few months. The financial implications to our clubs would be devastating. These players need to realise they have a responsibility to the livelihoods of everyone at football clubs..

[JimBHibees]

I think this year's statement league will be the most competitive in decades.

:greengrin Absolutely imagine Celtic get docked points.

[04Sauzee]

When will these be played if there was only one spare date before the split? And what if we get more games off? Hopefully there is a contingency.

Aberdeen and Celtic will have to do a Liverpool and split their squads and play 2 games at the same time 👀

[Since452]

All the talk on Sky tonight will be about Celtic and Aberdeen. Cant wait

[hibbyfraelibby]

When will these be played if there was only one spare date before the split? And what if we get more games off? Hopefully there is a contingency.

make the transgressor teams play the games on the same dates as their European ties. They have enough registered players to do so between their main and developnent squads.

[Spike Mandela]

SFA / SPFL Joint Response Group confirm postponement of:

Aberdeen v Hamilton Academical

St Mirren v Celtic

Aberdeen v Celtic

These are requests from the Scottish gov't presumably on the basis of public health.

What the **** are the SFA doing about this ****show.

My prediction is, of course, they will do nothing except perhaps bend over backwards to ensure Celtic's games in Europe are not disrupted by rescheduling.

Petrie and co weak and unfit for purpose of a strong hand running the Scottish game.

[mal]

SFA statement: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/coronavirus-joint-response-group-update-11-august/?rid=13929

No indication yet of any action that will be taken against the players or clubs involved.

[JimBHibees]

It would also mean quite a lot of refunds for anyone who had bought the PPV stream from the home club if that wasn't allowed after Sky took the game.

Won't happen then

[The 90+2]

SFA / SPFL Joint Response Group confirm postponement of:

Aberdeen v Hamilton Academical

St Mirren v Celtic

Aberdeen v Celtic

Everything is coming up Millhouse for the sheep ****gers then.

[The 90+2]

When will these be played if there was only one spare date before the split? And what if we get more games off? Hopefully there is a contingency.

They must be played for fairness behind closed doors. There will be a few games for them in days.

[Spike Mandela]

SFA statement: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/coronavirus-joint-response-group-update-11-august/?rid=13929

No indication yet of any action that will be taken against the players or clubs involved.

Nor will there be, I suspect

[MWHIBBIES]

If the clubs involved had been say, Ross County and St Mirren, then points would have already been docked.

Very much doubt it. One player breaking the rules (or laws) has never, ever been the grounds to punish the entire club. A player drink driving or assaulting someone wouldn't see points deducted. This, corrently, wont either.

[JohnMcM]

When will these be played if there was only one spare date before the split? And what if we get more games off? Hopefully there is a contingency.

I'm not sure there can be a meaningful contingency. You can catch this thing without breaking the rules so it's reasonable to anticipate matches being called off left right and centre, especially when the lower leagues with their part-time players come back. The early matches of the Betfred Cup look set to spread this thing amongst teams if the testing process has any mistakes/breaches.

[KingPat4]

Very much doubt it. One player breaking the rules (or laws) has never, ever been the grounds to punish the entire club. A player drink driving or assaulting someone wouldn't see points deducted. This, corrently, wont either.


Docking points is the only way to stop this stupidity.

[weecounty hibby]

The thing is that no matter what we think football just isn't an essential industry. It has been given special dispensation to start again as long as rules were followed. Selfish players are at risk of having the game suspended if the continue to break the rules. All that will happen is that clubs will go out of business, players will be redundant, support staff will lose their jobs. All because these overpaid, self absorbed, spoiled footballers think they are so special that rules don't apply to them.

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[jonty]

The clubs should be told to play the games - players or not. If they cant play the fixture then they concede the game - 3-0 win to the opponents.

In either case, the club should fine the players and donate the fine to the NHS or suitable body.
I'd like to think the club captain and manager are already letting them know what they think of them (Aberdeen and celtic)

Sadly I think its not the last we'll hear of it. there will be other players who'll be at it but hoping they dont get found out. That's why testing is even more important I guess.

[Vault Boy]

Very much doubt it. One player breaking the rules (or laws) has never, ever been the grounds to punish the entire club. A player drink driving or assaulting someone wouldn't see points deducted. This, corrently, wont either.

I agree that the outcome would have been no different if other clubs had been the ones involved, but I don't think this is equivalent to a DUI or the like.

Those individual issues, like DUIs, don't bring the entire Scottish game into existential limbo or national disrepute. A player flouting Covid regulations mean that his entire team, plus their opposition for however many weeks are affected for the rest of the season by fixture problems.

I completely get that in cases like Bolingoli, it's very much an individual act from a single person, but when the ramifications affect at least two other teams, Sky Sports and multiple fan bases, I think there is definitely grounds for club based punishments. It's harsh on clubs that genuinely can't help what their players do, but I can't see it as the same as punishing a club for a DUI.

[GreenCastle]

Docking points is the only way to stop this stupidity.

As said above - players have done plenty stupid things over the time in football - drink driving etc.

The issue here is that it affects the full squad and the OPPOSITION as they don’t get to play a game and then suffer as they have a fixture pile up - which isn’t their fault.

I will be amazed if there isn’t enough issue soon. 2 incidents in 2 weeks..footballers aren’t the sharpest at the best of times.

[Spike Mandela]

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Astonishing, but not surprising, that punitive measures weren't already in place. Doncaster was well aware of the already tight schedule for games. The Aberdeen 8 and Boli appear to have avoided sanctoon altogether.

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I would say that's basically an admission that the clubs weren't prepared for the restart, they'd probably concentrated on avoidance systems for training and matches, testing procedures and forgot entirely that their employees were liable to be the weakest link. A fatal mistake for any business to make

[where'stheslope]

The clubs should be told to play the games - players or not. If they cant play the fixture then they concede the game - 3-0 win to the opponents.

In either case, the club should fine the players and donate the fine to the NHS or suitable body.
I'd like to think the club captain and manager are already letting them know what they think of them (Aberdeen and celtic)

Sadly I think its not the last we'll hear of it. there will be other players who'll be at it but hoping they dont get found out. That's why testing is even more important I guess.
Remember, the only reason for apologies from the players, is not for what they had done, but that they got caught!!!
As long as the SPFL pussyfoot about, the longer it will take players to realise that they have follow the rules!!!

[MWHIBBIES]

Docking points is the only way to stop this stupidity.

Is it? Have all other avenues been explored?

Points deductions just aren't a thing. People love to throw them around all over here and social media but the actual chances of it happening are next to nothing.

Fine and a warning is what will happen.

[Pilrig_Sauzee]

Call the league. Only way. Here’s to two in a row.

[The_Sauz]

If he flew into Scotland then it’s a SG matter not the Home Office.I expect he will get a visit from PC McPlod and be “given advice”.SFA missed a trick by having nothing to say after the Aberdeen shambles.SPFL should have gone back to the clubs after their proposals re the new season were rejected,they have the opportunity now to do something on the basis that individual clubs can’t be trusted to control their employees.I hate to mention the old days but Jock Stein would have known if a player had gone out to buy a paper never mind going to Spain and Ferguson would have known about players going out before they’d decided to go.Why are so many footballers so thick compared to other top athletes?
Sorry, but the SG has no control over who comes and goes from Scotland, all passport info is in the the hands of the Home Office! An article I read just after we went into lockdown, made a point about how the SG failed the NHS Scotland to inform them about people that had traveled to Scotland from countries that were already linked to the virus! But then someone from the Home Office, made a statement about how nobody in Scotland had the security clearance or the training to deal with system and all the information it held, yet the NHS England were linked into the system!

[KingPat4]

Is it? Have all other avenues been explored?

Points deductions just aren't a thing. People love to throw them around all over here and social media but the actual chances of it happening are next to nothing.

Fine and a warning is what will happen.

Yes, it is. Desperate times. desperate measures. Bill Shankly was wrong.

[JohnMcM]

Astonishing, but not surprising, that punitive measures weren't already in place. Doncaster was well aware of the already tight schedule for games. The Aberdeen 8 and Boli appear to have avoided sanctoon altogether.

It's a pity they didn't avoid going doontoon:greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

It's a pity they didn't avoid going doontoon:greengrin

Fat fingers😂😂😂

Surely there hasn’t been a clearer case of players bringing the game in to disrepute. The Scottish game surely can’t have been at a more disreputable moment.:rolleyes:

Still the SFA.....living up to their abbreviation.....nothing.

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Imagine, now sanctions are confirmed to be in place for any further rule-breaking, that a Rangers player is next to be caught.

[we are hibs]

Is it? Have all other avenues been explored?

Points deductions just aren't a thing. People love to throw them around all over here and social media but the actual chances of it happening are next to nothing.

Fine and a warning is what will happen.

A fine and a warning is useless. A complete waste of time which isnt a real punishment.

[B.H.F.C]

See he was in Spain for one night. What on earth was the point in going to Spain for one night.

[Ozyhibby]

Imagine, now sanctions are confirmed to be in place for any further rule-breaking, that a Rangers player is next to be caught.

Surely these players need punished anyway? Their actions have caused the cancellation of fixtures? Surely merits a multi game ban?


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[The_Sauz]

These are requests from the Scottish gov't presumably on the basis of public health.

What the **** are the SFA doing about this ****show.

My prediction is, of course, they will do nothing except perhaps bend over backwards to ensure Celtic's games in Europe are not disrupted by rescheduling.

Petrie and co weak and unfit for purpose of a strong hand running the Scottish game.
You do know it's the SPFL that runs the leagues and not the SFA, or is it you just wanting to have a dig at Rod Petrie! :rolleyes:

[cookin_on_gaz]

See he was in Spain for one night. What on earth was the point in going to Spain for one night.Depends on the last time he had a ride [emoji12]

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[Hibernia&Alba]

See he was in Spain for one night. What on earth was the point in going to Spain for one night.

Decadence, and not good for the carbon footprint.

[G B Young]

See he was in Spain for one night. What on earth was the point in going to Spain for one night.

Rumoured to have gone for talks with another club.

[MWHIBBIES]

A fine and a warning is useless. A complete waste of time which isnt a real punishment.


Yes, it is. Desperate times. desperate measures. Bill Shankly was wrong.

Footballers care more about their own money than their teams points. This proves it. Hit the individuals. You can't punish the club's for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

[Bristolhibby]

Imagine, now sanctions are confirmed to be in place for any further rule-breaking, that a Rangers player is next to be caught.

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[mal]

Footballers care more about their own money than their teams points. This proves it. Hit the individuals. You can't punish the club's for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Correct. Imagine docking Celtic points then Bolingoli buggers off to another club so that where his current employers end up means nothing to him.

In any case, docking points is open to all sorts of potential abuse by betting syndicates and the like.

[delbert]

SFA / SPFL Joint Response Group confirm postponement of:

Aberdeen v Hamilton Academical

St Mirren v Celtic

Aberdeen v Celtic

Very surprised that Kilmarnock games are being allowed to go ahead, bearing in mind their players were in close contact to Bolingoli during Sunday’s match, and also how long this virus can take to show up even after the last negative test on this player prior to Sunday’s game, think the SPFL have taken their eye off this particular ball.

[MWHIBBIES]

Correct. Imagine docking Celtic points then Bolingoli buggers off to another club so that where his current employers end up means nothing to him.

In any case, docking points is open to all sorts of potential abuse by betting syndicates and the like.

Points deductions should be saved for consistent rule breaking where the club are at least partially responsible. Sectarian singing for example. I dislike Celtic as much as anyone but absolutely zero fault can be placed of them here.

[Kaff]

Very surprised that Kilmarnock games are being allowed to go ahead, bearing in mind their players were in close contact to Bolingoli during Sunday’s match, and also how long this virus can take to show up even after the last negative test on this player prior to Sunday’s game, think the SPFL have taken their eye off this particular ball.


It was Jason Leitch who outlined the reason for Celtic game to be called off, never mentioned Killie. I think if any overlooking has been done it's by the head of SG Clinicians (or whatever his title is). SFA will be following his advice

[007]

This is causing havoc with my fantasy football team.

[tamig]

I don't get that. They've just had months off and now they get more time off after 1 game?

Is this not the same set up as in previous seasons effectively when the SPFL allowed them to postpone one of their early league games so they could play a money spinning friendly somewhere on the other side of the planet? Unbelievable he’s given them almost a week off between the first and second games this time around. If true obviously.

[Spike Mandela]

You do know it's the SPFL that runs the leagues and not the SFA, or is it you just wanting to have a dig at Rod Petrie! :rolleyes:

You do know that the SFA are responsible for the governance of the Scottish game don’t you? You do know it is the SFA that deal with most of the discipiinary matters?

Where is the SFA compliance officer hiding all of a sudden? Surely there hasn’t been a clearer case of players bringing the game into disrepute?

[hibbyfraelibby]

You do know that the SFA are responsible for the governance of the Scottish game don’t you? You do know it is the SFA that deal with most of the discipiinary matters?

Where is the SFA compliance officer hiding all of a sudden?
Whose said she's hiding? I would imaging a notice of complaint is drafted awaiting issue. This only blew up in the last 24hr...took 5 months to serve one on the bigliest famous club and their not so bigly bed fellows

[Spike Mandela]

Whose said she's hiding? I would imaging a notice of complaint is drafted awaiting issue. This only blew up in the last 24hr...took 5 months to serve one on the bigliest famous club and their not so bigly bed fellows

True. Well worth the wait for the £2.5k fine as well.:greengrin

[h18eeynick]

Having read Neil Lennons / Celtics comments on Boli I have uttermost respect for them totally condemning him for his actions. Saying it will be very , very difficult for him to come back from this and players were ordered not to leave Glasgow on their day off . Not often I can compliment them but saying all the right things on this occasion

[Vault Boy]

This is causing havoc with my fantasy football team.

This reminded me, thanks! I'd already activated my wildcard, so that's Edouard, Ntcham and McGregor out the door. :greengrin

[Since452]

Having read Neil Lennons / Celtics comments on Boli I have uttermost respect for them totally condemning him for his actions. Saying it will be very , very difficult for him to come back from this and players were ordered not to leave Glasgow on their day off . Not often I can compliment them but saying all the right things on this occasion

Maybe he'll sign for St Gallen too

[007]

This reminded me, thanks! I'd already activated my wildcard, so that's Edouard, Ntcham and McGregor out the door. :greengrin

That's good you can punt them without penalty points. 🙂

[rcarter1]

The quotes from the player and the club are completely damming and its mind boggling a Celtic player with all their high public profile though he could get away with it.

Scottish football could be closed down imminently as the charge street just builds and builds as that's now two major teams where the internal procedures may have failed and the players were just living on a different planet.

Based on a previous precedent there would a strong case for just calling the league now as it stands.��

I think the case is in fact overwhelming.. Champions at last!! :thumbsup:

[blackpoolhibs]

When you caught COVID-19 it was likely down to some “doughnuts being daft”. It is way too dangerous a situation to be so dismissive in my opinion. Nobody wants to see football suspended but I feel it is inevitable that will happen. The lives of the wider community are far more important than “doughnuts”.

No it was not some doughnut being daft, it was from my partner who cared for 3 people who died from covid in the care home she works in, and she caught it from one of them, brought it home and spent 5 weeks in bed and luckily only 1 day in hospital.

Idiot.

[CentreLine]

No it was not some doughnut being daft, it was from my partner who cared for 3 people who died from covid in the care home she works in, and she caught it from one of them, brought it home and spent 5 weeks in bed and luckily only 1 day in hospital.

Idiot.

Hence the “likely” word but you chose to ignore that. You then have to ask yourself what doughnuts caused the infection to get in to the care home in the first place. But you keep thinking idiot. I can handle it.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

24 hour trip to Malaga - what a helmet!

[Billy Whizz]

24 hour trip to Malaga - what a helmet!

He’ll need a helmet when Broonie gets him

[ancient hibee]

Sorry, but the SG has no control over who comes and goes from Scotland, all passport info is in the the hands of the Home Office! An article I read just after we went into lockdown, made a point about how the SG failed the NHS Scotland to inform them about people that had traveled to Scotland from countries that were already linked to the virus! But then someone from the Home Office, made a statement about how nobody in Scotland had the security clearance or the training to deal with system and all the information it held, yet the NHS England were linked into the system!

It's not a passport issue.The SG has full control over which travellers must quarantine.For example Spanish travel was subject to quarantine at a time when it wasn't in the rest of the UK.

[blackpoolhibs]

Hence the “likely” word but you chose to ignore that. You then have to ask yourself what doughnuts caused the infection to get in to the care home in the first place. But you keep thinking idiot. I can handle it.

Probably Boris, for sending them back there from hospital.:rolleyes:

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This should have been set in motion as soon as the Aberdeen situation came to light.As it is the punishment should be spelled out now.The SPFL and the SFA have been badly let down after a huge amount of work has gone into making sure players and other club employees can continue safely in their sport/job.Don't think you'll ever go bust overestimating the stupidity of footballers.

[tamig]

See he was in Spain for one night. What on earth was the point in going to Spain for one night.

I remember going to Athens for one night and never even got to see Hibs 😟

[Billy Whizz]

I remember going to Athens for one night and never even got to see Hibs 😟

I went to Dnipro and back, on a day trip😄

[Ozyhibby]

I went to Dnipro and back, on a day trip[emoji1]

I went there for three days and managed to get drunk five times.[emoji23]


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[Billy Whizz]

I went there for three days and managed to get drunk five times.[emoji23]


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Not surprised, considering the prices

[Billy Whizz]

So another Aberdeen game is cancelled, so almost 3 in a week, and none of their top players miss a game
What sort of punishment is that

[Spike Mandela]

So another Aberdeen game is cancelled, so almost 3 in a week, and none of their top players miss a game
What sort of punishment is that

It isn't. It's a government driven measure to safeguard public health.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.gov.scot/news/professional-football-suspended/

No bounce games or friendlies allowed either now

[blackpoolhibs]

https://www.gov.scot/news/professional-football-suspended/

No bounce games or friendlies allowed either now

Pubs open and virtually no social distancing from what i can see, people coming back from abroad, and nobody checking they have isolated for the required period.

Lets go mad and overreact because football is an easy target that will make Jimmy Crankie look a bit better after the schools cock up.

[greenpaper55]

https://www.gov.scot/news/professional-football-suspended/

No bounce games or friendlies allowed either now

That's Hearts pre season friar tucked then.

[Bristolhibby]

Pubs open and virtually no social distancing from what i can see, people coming back from abroad, and nobody checking they have isolated for the required period.

Lets go mad and overreact because football is an easy target that will make Jimmy Crankie look a bit better after the schools cock up.

But that’s not the issue is it?

J

[hibbyfraelibby]

Pubs open and virtually no social distancing from what i can see, people coming back from abroad, and nobody checking they have isolated for the required period.

Lets go mad and overreact because football is an easy target that will make Jimmy Crankie look a bit better after the schools cock up.

Well BH you lost the arguement with your crankie comment. If thats the level of your respose go enjoy a night out in an overcrowded pub in Preston.

Whatever you think covidiots put peoples lives at risk. Pick a granny, any granny, and tell me how they are dispensible so arrogant, self entitled selfish deniers can enjoy a game of football they are not allowed to attend.

[HFC93]

Pubs open and virtually no social distancing from what i can see, people coming back from abroad, and nobody checking they have isolated for the required period.

Lets go mad and overreact because football is an easy target that will make Jimmy Crankie look a bit better after the schools cock up.

Referring to Sturgeon as Jimmy Krankie has to be the worst patter going. Mildy amusing about 8 years ago. I thought hibs.net was better than that.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Referring to Sturgeon as Jimmy Krankie has to be the worst patter going. Mildy amusing about 8 years ago. I thought hibs.net was better than that.


cringe :agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

But that’s not the issue is it?

J

All depends on how you view it, for me footballers are no different from anyone else, and they will make mistakes or do daft things like the rest of us.

Of course Bolingoli is a complete idiot, he deserves to be punished severely from his club. Yet in England if someone like Archer the cricketer, who did similar to the Aberdeen players, he was stopped from playing and the game took place.

Aberdeen should have played their game without the players who might have been compromised, and i mean everyone who might have been compromised.

If it meant they had to go with youth players, then that's just hard luck, and the same thing applies to Celtic.

Football is one of the safest bubbles around at the moment, and again an easy target in my opinion.

[hibee_girl]

Celtic defender Boli Bolingoli has been issued with a Fixed Penalty Notice by Police Scotland for breaching quarantine regulations.

https://twitter.com/STVRonnie/status/1293242409812471809

[-Jonesy-]

Pubs open and virtually no social distancing from what i can see, people coming back from abroad, and nobody checking they have isolated for the required period.

Lets go mad and overreact because football is an easy target that will make Jimmy Crankie look a bit better after the schools cock up.

That’s hilarious, did you come up with that Nicola sturgeon/jimmy Crankie line all by yourself?? It’s a belter, I’ve never heard it before. Really drives your point home when capped off by such clever and refreshingly original humour.

You should get on twitter and try it out there sure it will go down a storm.

[Billy Whizz]

Celtic defender Boli Bolingoli has been issued with a Fixed Penalty Notice by Police Scotland for breaching quarantine regulations.

https://twitter.com/STVRonnie/status/1293242409812471809

How much is the fine

[Stonewall]

Surely Bolingoli was ineligible to play so it should be declared a 3-0 win to Killie.

[Sir David Gray]

How much is the fine

£480 for a first offence.

[CentreLine]

Probably Boris, for sending them back there from hospital.:rolleyes:

You finally got there

[blackpoolhibs]

That’s hilarious, did you come up with that Nicola sturgeon/jimmy Crankie line all by yourself?? It’s a belter, I’ve never heard it before. Really drives your point home when capped off by such clever and refreshingly original humour.

You should get on twitter and try it out there sure it will go down a storm.

Glad you liked it.

[mutley]

Fined by police :


https://news.stv.tv/west-central/celtics-bolingoli-fined-by-police-over-quarintine-breach?top




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[Billy Whizz]

£480 for a first offence.

Not much in comparison to what his Celtic fine will be
Puts Celtic in a poor negotiation position, if they want rid of

[IanM]

Twitter rumour going about that Frimpong also been away on his jollies

[Since452]

Twitter rumour going about that Frimpong also been away on his jollies

Ffs hope not

[660]

End season now in my opinion. PPG to decide placings

[A Hi-Bee]

End season now in my opinion. PPG to decide placings

i wiz just about to post same thing, there is no cure for stupid, so we may as well call the season now, with the team at the top crowned champs. No sure who is at the bottom but they can stay up.

:flag::flag::flag:

[Andy74]

Surely Bolingoli was ineligible to play so it should be declared a 3-0 win to Killie.

No. Punish the players or teams involved but let’s not be handing 3 points and 3 goals to our competition.

[Cabbage East]

Pubs open and virtually no social distancing from what i can see, people coming back from abroad, and nobody checking they have isolated for the required period.

Lets go mad and overreact because football is an easy target that will make Jimmy Crankie look a bit better after the schools cock up.

Horrendous chat.

[Sammy7nil]

That’s hilarious, did you come up with that Nicola sturgeon/jimmy Crankie line all by yourself?? It’s a belter, I’ve never heard it before. Really drives your point home when capped off by such clever and refreshingly original humour.

You should get on twitter and try it out there sure it will go down a storm.

I think you too should give your sarcasm a wee bash on Twitter :aok:

[Billy Whizz]

Twitter rumour going about that Frimpong also been away on his jollies

Like where

[TrinityHibs]

It was Jason Leitch who outlined the reason for Celtic game to be called off, never mentioned Killie. I think if any overlooking has been done it's by the head of SG Clinicians (or whatever his title is). SFA will be following his advice

Jason Leitch is a dentist I think.

[Billy Whizz]

Jason Leitch is a dentist I think.

He’s the Clinical Director

[ancient hibee]

J
Jason Leitch is a dentist I think.

Then requalified as a dental/oral surgeon I think.

[Sir David Gray]

Like where

There's several posts on Twitter tonight.

No idea how true it is.

[jonty]

https://twitter.com/spfl_fan/status/1293293935075328001


According to Ewan Murray, Hibs, Rangers and St Mirren may also have questions to answer.

I know, I know, its Ewan Murray.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/11/boli-bolingoli-and-aberdeen-eight-place-scottish-game-under-pressure

And he's not even referring to anything new.


Less high-profile incidents have been curiously forgotten. Rangers and Motherwell had to delay kick-off for a friendly match on 22 July after test results were late in appearing. But Rangers had split their squad in two and had played Dundee United earlier the same day, posing questions which haven’t been fully answered. Hibernian had to call off a practice game against Ross County because of a testing delay. St Mirren appeared at the heart of a cluster when seven members of staff tested positive for Covid-19; only for six of them to be explained as false outcomes.

[Sir David Gray]

https://twitter.com/spfl_fan/status/1293293935075328001



I know, I know, its Ewan Murray.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/11/boli-bolingoli-and-aberdeen-eight-place-scottish-game-under-pressure

And he's not even referring to anything new.

It's just about the Ross County game about a month ago.

[Andy74]

It's just about the Ross County game about a month ago.

When we kept everyone safe.

[hibbyfraelibby]

J

Then requalified as a dental/oral surgeon I think.

maxio-facial cobsultant

[jacomo]

All depends on how you view it, for me footballers are no different from anyone else, and they will make mistakes or do daft things like the rest of us.

Of course Bolingoli is a complete idiot, he deserves to be punished severely from his club. Yet in England if someone like Archer the cricketer, who did similar to the Aberdeen players, he was stopped from playing and the game took place.

Aberdeen should have played their game without the players who might have been compromised, and i mean everyone who might have been compromised.

If it meant they had to go with youth players, then that's just hard luck, and the same thing applies to Celtic.

Football is one of the safest bubbles around at the moment, and again an easy target in my opinion.


Agree with all that.

[Devonhibs]

The thing is, football is very much front and centre in the publics eye.

Its hard enough getting the public to continue with sensible precautions without them seeing what footballers are doing, thinking if its okay for them etc.

Whether they or we like or agree with it, we need them to be role models and comply with the requirements of the government.

[blackpoolhibs]

The thing is, football is very much front and centre in the publics eye.

Its hard enough getting the public to continue with sensible precautions without them seeing what footballers are doing, thinking if its okay for them etc.

Whether they or we like or agree with it, we need them to be role models and comply with the requirements of the government.

Cant disagree with any of that, but in my opinion that horse has bolted. Football is in a very secure bubble, but they do go home, they do go out to the same places as the rest of us.

They then meet people who are not part of these rigid tests, but unlike Dominic Cummings, they are not protected by their bosses to the hilt, and thrown to the wolves for just doing what the rest of us do.

Not Bolingoli obviously, he was just testing his eyesight.:greengrin

I keep hearing about football getting special dispensation, well if its a case of football only getting played if everyone involved stays in and does nothing but play football, then those family members and their friends and family will have to do the same too.

Football is safer than almost every other aspect of life at the moment, but not totally safe, but safer than most.

In all walks of life there will be many many people doing things they shouldn't, footballers are no different, but also less likely than the majority to do so.

There are so many things that should be spoken about by the first lady :wink: and threatened with closure before football, but as i said before, they are an easy target.

[proud_and_green]

All depends on how you view it, for me footballers are no different from anyone else, and they will make mistakes or do daft things like the rest of us.

Of course Bolingoli is a complete idiot, he deserves to be punished severely from his club. Yet in England if someone like Archer the cricketer, who did similar to the Aberdeen players, he was stopped from playing and the game took place.

Aberdeen should have played their game without the players who might have been compromised, and i mean everyone who might have been compromised.

If it meant they had to go with youth players, then that's just hard luck, and the same thing applies to Celtic.

Football is one of the safest bubbles around at the moment, and again an easy target in my opinion.

I agree, sort of. Football clubs are to supposed to keep track of where there players are and in this case Celtic certainly didn't. Not sure Aberdeen could have had that same degree of control to prevent the players 'nipping out' for a few hours compared to a few days in Celtic's case.

That said i agree that the penalty should b that the player is suspended for the duration of the quarantine period plus a punitive period say one further game. That provides the incentive to the team to ensure they manage the situation. Postponing the game doesn't provide any penalty apart from a pile up of fixtures but that also affects the team they were to play who should not be punished. Absolutely right the game should go ahead but without the offending players.

If football is suspended again, i have a feeling that will be the end of football in Scotland, TV money and sponsorship to be repaid, season ticket money etc. Don't think many clubs could survive a second blow like that.

[Kaff]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/53746240

Rugby League looks like it will take the headlines for a day or two at least.
Pretty remarkable figures and Salfords results will be interesting too, I'm imagining they're right in the middle of the North West hot spot anyway?

[Davy Mac]

Thing is, this is right up our gestapo loving leader's street but there will be bumps on the way to recovery no doubt.

[Keith_M]

Thing is, this is right up our gestapo loving leader's street but there will be bumps on the way to recovery no doubt.


Boris Johnson loves the Gestapo?


:confused:

[Ozyhibby]

All depends on how you view it, for me footballers are no different from anyone else, and they will make mistakes or do daft things like the rest of us.

Of course Bolingoli is a complete idiot, he deserves to be punished severely from his club. Yet in England if someone like Archer the cricketer, who did similar to the Aberdeen players, he was stopped from playing and the game took place.

Aberdeen should have played their game without the players who might have been compromised, and i mean everyone who might have been compromised.

If it meant they had to go with youth players, then that's just hard luck, and the same thing applies to Celtic.

Football is one of the safest bubbles around at the moment, and again an easy target in my opinion.

You might have noticed we are doing things slightly differently in Scotland with regards to the virus? Getting different results as well.


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[Davy Mac]

Boris Johnson loves the Gestapo?


:confused:

Naw, Surgeon

[Keith_M]

Naw, Surgeon


Sorry, I don't know anybody called Surgeon, let alone one that likes the Gestapo.

[Davy Mac]

Sorry, I don't know anybody called Surgeon, let alone one that likes the Gestapo.

Should have said 'acting' rather loving, chill man, its early and we've just won at Utd.

[-Jonesy-]

Thing is, this is right up our gestapo loving leader's street but there will be bumps on the way to recovery no doubt.

Do you even know what the gestapo were? What a rocket.

[Phil MaGlass]

Thing is, this is right up our gestapo loving leader's street but there will be bumps on the way to recovery no doubt.

Amazing what folk get called when doing a great, solid professional job, just imagne what she would be called if she was making a completes dogs ar5e of it like Johnson and his over priveleged ilk???

oh aye,,, ROCKET.

[FilipinoHibs]

Is it true there were Hibs players out after the Killie game? Also, did some of our players say the Aberdeen players were unlucky to get caught?

The uptick in cases in the EU is down to young people going out to bars as is the case in the US.

[Keith_M]

Is it true there were Hibs players out after the Killie game? Also, did some of our players say the Aberdeen players were unlucky to get caught?

The uptick in cases in the EU is down to young people going out to bars as is the case in the US.


Do you have any reason to ask that or is it just a couple of random questions plucked out of the air?

[Since452]

Is it true there were Hibs players out after the Killie game? Also, did some of our players say the Aberdeen players were unlucky to get caught?

The uptick in cases in the EU is down to young people going out to bars as is the case in the US.

Horgan said in he's pre game interview that it was harsh on the Aberdeen players. Hoping he just didn't choose his words properly and it's difficult when you're being asked questions infront of the camera. I'm sure Jack will have had a word.

[flash]

Thing is, this is right up our gestapo loving leader's street but there will be bumps on the way to recovery no doubt.

Think you have had a bump on the heed.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Thing is, this is right up our gestapo loving leader's street but there will be bumps on the way to recovery no doubt.

British Unionism in all its ugly naked ignorance and its getting shriller and more desperate with each passing day.

[delbert]

Do you even know what the gestapo were? What a rocket.

Yup a large group of unchecked nationalists !

[HFC93]

Thing is, this is right up our gestapo loving leader's street but there will be bumps on the way to recovery no doubt.

Comparing a politician trying their best to make difficult public health decisions aimed at protecting people, to an organisation responsible for the rounding up and extermination of millions. Seems legit.

[-Jonesy-]

Yup a large group of unchecked nationalists !

So you’re comparing people who think they SNP are doing a good job to the organisation of secret police that helped maintain the power of the Nazi party in a fascist Germany??
And that this is relevant to coronavirus breaches in Scottish football as well.

What an absolute clown

[Since452]

This has escalated quickly 🤦

[Sammy7nil]

British Unionism in all its ugly naked ignorance and its getting shriller and more desperate with each passing day.

Or as George Orwell said - nationalism is ‘the worst enemy of peace’

[-Jonesy-]

This has escalated quickly 🤦

Always does😂

[ian cruise]

Good to see Godwin's Law in full flow 😡

[-Jonesy-]

Or as George Orwell said - nationalism is ‘the worst enemy of peace’

Yes, we should definitely be basing our political outlook for the future on an author who died 70 years ago.

[Sammy7nil]

Yes, we should definitely be basing our political outlook for the future on an author who died 70 years ago.

Of course you are correct there is nothing to learn from the past :doh::doh::doh:

[FilipinoHibs]

Do you have any reason to ask that or is it just a couple of random questions plucked out of the air?

What do you think the questions sprang out of nowhere? It is based on gossip from various Hibs fans posting on social media. Wanted to refute the gossip but not before I some backup. The Horgan colour was helpful.

[Brightside]

Can we get all the politics kicked in the bin please.

[Brightside]

What do you think the questions sprang out of nowhere? It is based on gossip from various Hibs fans posting on social media. Wanted to refute the gossip but not before I some backup. The Horgan colour was helpful.

It was also posted on here. Its actually ok for players to go to the pub btw - as long as they are following protocols.

[Paisley Hibby]

Thing is, this is right up our gestapo loving leader's street but there will be bumps on the way to recovery no doubt.

Aw man - GTF with the shan political patter and take it to some message board site for gammons instead.

[Moulin Yarns]

All depends on how you view it, for me footballers are no different from anyone else, and they will make mistakes or do daft things like the rest of us.

Of course Bolingoli is a complete idiot, he deserves to be punished severely from his club. Yet in England if someone like Archer the cricketer, who did similar to the Aberdeen players, he was stopped from playing and the game took place.

Aberdeen should have played their game without the players who might have been compromised, and i mean everyone who might have been compromised.

If it meant they had to go with youth players, then that's just hard luck, and the same thing applies to Celtic.

Football is one of the safest bubbles around at the moment, and again an easy target in my opinion.

How many times do you have to be told, Aberdeen were stopped from playing St Johnstone last weekend because the risk of transferring the virus into the perth area was considered more important than playing a football match.

[Moulin Yarns]

Ffs hope not

FFS hope so😉

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder where this leaves Celtic with regards terminating his contact, as Lennon says he can’t see him back in the changing room again
Think they paid £3m for him, can’t see them writing this off, or anyone paying anything like this for him
You wonder if there’s anything that Celtic can do to sue him? Not sure what’s in footballers contracts

[Kaff]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53749398

Just for info, how another sport is handling it.

[Andy74]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53749398

Just for info, how another sport is handling it.

I just don’t agree that rival teams that happen to be up next for these teams would get points and goals awarded.

Getting 3 points at Celtic or Pittodrie and 3 goals for example would put those teams at an advantage that their rivals would have to be very lucky to achieve.

Games should be played with players who can play and individuals punished.

[Kaff]

I just don’t agree that rival teams that happen to be up next for these teams would get points and goals awarded.

Getting 3 points at Celtic or Pittodrie and 3 goals for example would put those teams at an advantage that their rivals would have to be very lucky to achieve.

Games should be played with players who can play and individuals punished.

I pretty much agree with you.
I do think point deductions is a different argument for those who are negligent to the point a game is cancelled due to actions a club could have mitigated.

Aberdeen situation, I am still to be convinced that the club were totally unaware that 8 players were off on a night out. Whether that was a meal or pubbing it I can't believe that there wasn't some form of chat going on about a night out, changing rooms just don't work like that imo.

[overdrive]

I pretty much agree with you.
I do think point deductions is a different argument for those who are negligent to the point a game is cancelled due to actions a club could have mitigated.

Aberdeen situation, I am still to be convinced that the club were totally unaware that 8 players were off on a night out. Whether that was a meal or pubbing it I can't believe that there wasn't some form of chat going on about a night out, changing rooms just don't work like that imo.

The manager isn’t always there to overhear the plans though, especially after a game. Jack Ross mentioned in an interview recently that there’s usually nobody left in the changing room by the time he’s finished his media duties.

[makaveli1875]

Aw man - GTF with the shan political patter and take it to some message board site for gammons instead.

Your at the ham

[HoboHarry]

Your at the ham
I'm not, I'm at work so I can bring home the bacon.......

[Kaff]

The manager isn’t always there to overhear the plans though, especially after a game. Jack Ross mentioned in an interview recently that there’s usually nobody left in the changing room by the time he’s finished his media duties.

I appreciate that and not saying he heard it first hand but things like that night out would represent a split changing room if it hadn't at least had a little discussion. I do understand changing room at this time is not the same dynamic as normal.
I'm just not convinced there wasn't a bit of knowledge that this night out was happening. Not saying it was given approval

[jacomo]

How many times do you have to be told, Aberdeen were stopped from playing St Johnstone last weekend because the risk of transferring the virus into the perth area was considered more important than playing a football match.


Why not make them play the game without those 8 players in the squad though?

[Jonnyboy]

Why not make them play the game without those 8 players in the squad though?

That’s exactly what should happen in my opinion

[Moulin Yarns]

Why not make them play the game without those 8 players in the squad though?

That's what I'd like the SPFL to rule for the rescheduled game.

[Billy Whizz]

That’s exactly what should happen in my opinion

100% agree. Aberdeen are getting away with it, as the games quite correctly have been postponed
Remember the old suspension rules, you got a fixed term, eg 14 day ban. Quite often the games were postponed due to bad weather, and the players didn’t miss a game
This is exactly what’s happening with the bad 8

[Keith_M]

What do you think the questions sprang out of nowhere? It is based on gossip from various Hibs fans posting on social media. Wanted to refute the gossip but not before I some backup. The Horgan colour was helpful.


It seemed strange to ask some random questions with no context, as in rumours heard or whatever.

[Keith_M]

Why not make them play the game without those 8 players in the squad though?


Just to clarify...

Do you mean the match should go ahead as scheduled, or at a later date (either way without the eight players)?

[jacomo]

Just to clarify...

Do you mean the match should go ahead as scheduled, or at a later date (either way without the eight players)?


It should have gone ahead as scheduled imo.

[Archie70]

Team deducted 3 points per game. Game played at later date with players allowed to play. That way other teams I.e. us, aren't disadvantaged that some teams get to play against a very week Aberdeen side. Why should st Johnston get 3 points or play a weakend side and gain an advantage. Nobody should gain advantage but offenders should be punished

[hibbyfraelibby]

I'm not, I'm at work so I can bring home the bacon.......

Methinks you could be an under cover Jambon mon amie

[Blaster]

You can’t punish clubs for these actions. If the club is not taking the appropriate measures then punish them but where individuals have done wrong then they should be fined and suspended for a number of games.

Also these players should not be available for the rearranged fixture(s)

[Smartie]

So just to clarify - we lose 3-4 players to injury and suspension before a big game - we send the players on a covidiot trip of some sort and get the game put back a few weeks once we've got our players back?

[Moulin Yarns]

It should have gone ahead as scheduled imo.

Again, the Scottish government made it clear that, no matter how small the risk, they do not want to see the possibility of Aberdeen taking the virus to Perth.

[Hibiza]

Has to be sacked ( if not already ). A message to others and the powers that be , that this is being taken seriously.