Aberdeen fixtures

[H18S NX]

Nicola Sturgeon absolutely fuming about Aberdeen fc in her statement.

[B.H.F.C]

That would be a dangerous game to play given how hard the Government worked with the football authorities to get football played at all.

I agree with that. But I’m just not sure what punishments will be open to the football authorities as opposed to if it was Aberdeen saying they couldn’t play.

[danhibees1875]

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/coronavirus-joint-response-group-update-7-august/

The government asked for it to be called off

:aok:

[Del Boy]

What time Ko


Dont think they said, was on SSN

[Keith_M]

As I've already posted, I'm of the opinion that St Johnstone should be awarded a 3-0 win as Aberdeen employees are the ones responsible for the fixture being postponed.

A very clear message needs to be sent out, no matter how harsh it seems, as the very future of our clubs is under threat.


This rule should apply whether it's Aberdeen, Celtc, The Rangers, Hibs or anybody else

[EI255]

The sheep are an absolute diagrace. The government and the league should punish them heavily. Can you imagine if that had been us?!!!

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[Sir David Gray]

What time Ko

12:30 according to a Dundee Utd fan's Twitter account.

[EI255]

As I've already posted, I'm of the opinion that St Johnstone should be awarded a 3-0 win as Aberdeen employees are the ones responsible for the fixture being postponed.

A very clear message needs to be sent out, no matter how harsh it seems, as the very future of our clubs is under threat.


This rule should apply whether it's Aberdeen, Celtc, The Rangers, Hibs or anybody elseThat's on the money. How many games do we cancel in a season?

Give Saints the points.

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[Skol]

12:30 according to a Dundee Utd fan's Twitter account.
I was going to say No thought about the fans before I enembeted they are not allowed in.

[degenerated]

This is exactly the reason why we have all been asked to wear masks and continue social distancing, and at a very minimum only leave the home if it’s essential!

This virus has been spread for months and months by asymptomatic carriers, if it’s only hitting home for people now because a few footballers have tested positive but are asymptomatic then I guess we are all up the creek without a paddle!!!!Never mind the paddle, we haven't even got a canoe

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[Green Badger]

As I've already posted, I'm of the opinion that St Johnstone should be awarded a 3-0 win as Aberdeen employees are the ones responsible for the fixture being postponed.

A very clear message needs to be sent out, no matter how harsh it seems, as the very future of our clubs is under threat.


This rule should apply whether it's Aberdeen, Celtc, The Rangers, Hibs or anybody else

Agree 100%. They also have just one chance to to impose sanctions, if they let Aberdeen off they can’t punish anyone else later in the season.

[we are hibs]

12:30 according to a Dundee Utd fan's Twitter account.

https://twitter.com/PureFitbaw/status/1291697282564395009?s=09


Sky saying the game is on sky tomorrow yet the SPFL have it down as 3pm and not on tv in their latest tweet. Wouldnt put it past sky to have made an arse of it. After all, it wouldnt be the first time..

[SHODAN]

St Johnstone should be given the three points.

[TheHarpy76]

The football authorities will need to make some sort of example of Aberdeen, I would think. I doubt there’ll be an award of the match to SJ or a points deduction. Probably be a hefty fine though.

[Andy74]

As I've already posted, I'm of the opinion that St Johnstone should be awarded a 3-0 win as Aberdeen employees are the ones responsible for the fixture being postponed.

A very clear message needs to be sent out, no matter how harsh it seems, as the very future of our clubs is under threat.


This rule should apply whether it's Aberdeen, Celtc, The Rangers, Hibs or anybody else

Which is all lovely for St Johnstone who get 3 points and +3 goal difference whilst the rest of us go to Pittodrie and work for the points.

Punishing Aberdeen shouldn’t be putting there rest of us at a disadvantage against St Johnstone.

[Ozyhibby]

The football authorities will need to make some sort of example of Aberdeen, I would think. I doubt there’ll be an award of the match to SJ or a points deduction. Probably be a hefty fine though.

Would have been good if the had spent lockdown planning for these situations so that there would be clear rules to be followed. Wouldn’t surprise me if the decide to have a vote on what to do.


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[makaveli1875]

St Johnstone should be given the three points.

This and a massive ban for the players that broke the rules . 10 games at least

[KeithTheHibby]

Imagine this had been an old firm game?!

Anyway surely they need to call off Aberdeens next 2 fixtures also?

[Kato]

The football authorities will need to make some sort of example of Aberdeen, I would think. I doubt there’ll be an award of the match to SJ or a points deduction. Probably be a hefty fine though.£2,501

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[hibbyfraelibby]

I’m not sure giving the points to the opposition is the right answer.

It obviously would be a punishment for Aberdeen but it is also unfair on other teams that will still have to play Aberdeen for St Johnstone to be sitting with 3 points from them.

Agreed. Match should be re-scheduled and Aberdeen DEDUCTED 3pts and have 3 goals added to against total. That way only they suffer.

[RoYO!]

Why on earth has this tie not been awarded to St johnstone? They shouldn't be put out having further fixture congestion.

Should have made an example.

[lord bunberry]

Agreed. Match should be re-scheduled and Aberdeen DEDUCTED 3pts and have 3 goals added to against total. That way only they suffer.
A points deduction is probably the fairest way to go.

[Billy Whizz]

Why on earth has this tie not been awarded to St johnstone? They shouldn't be put out having further fixture congestion.

Should have made an example.

They’ll have another one too, they play us on the date of the semi final v Hearts

[Spike Mandela]

Would have been good if the had spent lockdown planning for these situations so that there would be clear rules to be followed. Wouldn’t surprise me if the decide to have a vote on what to do.


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The First Minister was pretty clear that guidelines agreed between the Scottish Government, the SFA and SPFL for the return of football had been broken.

Aberdeen have a case to answer and it is duty bound on the authorities to make sure these guidelines are followed or the football season may be scrapped.

It doesn’t get more serious than this and ALL clubs need to get the message pronto.

If Aberdeen walk away from this with a slap on the wrist then I doubt football players will get the message and it will likely happen again. I am very aware that Hibs players live with the temptation of Ecinburgh on their doorstep and it is a case of ‘there but for the grace of god go I’ but I would be furious if the actions of irresponsible Hibs players got the season scrapped.

It is time for people to face accountability for their actions.

[JXM73]

Feel for St. Johnstone, but we are in new territory here, for first offence a hefty fine.. 50k...none of this jambo fines, 2nd offence points deducted... dont think rewarding Saints or opposition is right... but this is Scotland, expect hee haw to be done.

[Gordy M]

I think the issue with the points deduction is that is it not the Scots Gov that have said the game should be cancelled, presumably to protect St Js players and staff? If that is the case, then Aberdeen could easily say it wasnt their decision and they couldve played?

[HFC93]

Stuart Kettlewell must condemn.

[we are hibs]

Aberdeen statement saying theyre grateful that the games been postponed rather than a forfeit. What a complete joke thats been allowed to happen.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Why on earth has this tie not been awarded to St johnstone? They shouldn't be put out having further fixture congestion.

Should have made an example.

Because that disadvantages every other team in the league. Imagine StJohnstone were in the play off spot 2 pts clear of the bottom team at the end of the season and tge bootom team had played all their scheduled games against the Sheep. They would be relegated because Saints had been gifted 3 points. We had enough hassle this year lets not repeat it.

[Biggie]

They should insist Aberdeen put a team out.( are they all isolating ?)
Very unfair on st Johnstone.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I think the issue with the points deduction is that is it not the Scots Gov that have said the game should be cancelled, presumably to protect St Js players and staff? If that is the case, then Aberdeen could easily say it wasnt their decision and they couldve played?

irrelevant who ordered it off. Its off due to the actions of Aberdeen FC players.

Lets not pussyfoot around here. Hammer them and set an example. Peoples lives have been put at risk due to selfish arrogance, stupidity and a lack of both personal and corporate responsibility.

[GonzoReturns]

irrelevant who ordered it off. Its off due to the actions of Aberdeen FC players.

Lets not pussyfoot around here. Hammer them and set an example. Peoples lives have been put at risk due to selfish arrogance, stupidity and a lack of both personal and corporate responsibility.

Exactly as well as people’s livelihoods.

[Gordy M]

irrelevant who ordered it off. Its off due to the actions of Aberdeen FC players.

Lets not pussyfoot around here. Hammer them and set an example. Peoples lives have been put at risk due to selfish arrogance, stupidity and a lack of both personal and corporate responsibility.

Well thats fine then, as long as its the same for every team, positive test, then game off and points deducted. Thats the precedent you set. If your hapoy with that then fair enough.

[Spike Mandela]

Well thats fine then, as long as its the same for every team, positive test, then game off and points deducted. Thats the precedent you set. If your hapoy with that then fair enough.

It’s not for the positive test though, it’s for the breaking of guidelines which led to the positive tests.

[Gordy M]

It’s not for the positive test though, it’s for the breaking of guidelines which led to the positive tests.

Well it is for the positive test though, if they didnt test positive,the game would be on and no one would be batting an eyelid.

[Ozyhibby]

Well thats fine then, as long as its the same for every team, positive test, then game off and points deducted. Thats the precedent you set. If your hapoy with that then fair enough.

It’s for the breaking the rules, not the positive test.


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[jeffers]

You would hope that this is where Gray and McGregor will earn their bumper 4 year never playing contracts. Our squad discipline is going to have to be exemplary from now on.


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You know the terms of their contracts do you ?

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/moravcik67_/status/1290696718061916161?s=21

New guidelines from Uefa on how to deal with Covid for this season. At least it’s clear unlike the situation in Scotland.


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[Spike Mandela]

Well it is for the positive test though, if they didnt test positive,the game would be on and no one would be batting an eyelid.

It really isn’t.

There is a global pandemic and testing is in place to allow football to progress and that any positive tests are spotted quickly and players isolated and contacts traced. In a global pandemic there will naturally be positive tests.

The guidelines were put in place with agreement betweenthe Scottish government, the SFA and The SPFL.

Aberdeen’s players breaking of the guidelines, yes has come to light because of the contact tracing efforts due to the positive test that was discovered but if the player in question was at home with his family that night only he and his family would have to self isolate and the game would be on.

Aberdeen players have clearly broken the guidelines in place and I suspect they weren’t the only team whose players did so.

Action really has to be taken against Aberdeen and any other club which is proven to not follow these guidelines.

[04Sauzee]

https://twitter.com/PureFitbaw/status/1291697282564395009?s=09


Sky saying the game is on sky tomorrow yet the SPFL have it down as 3pm and not on tv in their latest tweet. Wouldnt put it past sky to have made an arse of it. After all, it wouldnt be the first time..
Dundee Utd fans still don't think its live?
Also if it is wonder how that would affect people who bought ppv?

[Bristolhibby]

Which is all lovely for St Johnstone who get 3 points and +3 goal difference whilst the rest of us go to Pittodrie and work for the points.

Punishing Aberdeen shouldn’t be putting there rest of us at a disadvantage against St Johnstone.

Correct. Deduct 3 points for Aberdeen.

Refer back to a point I made on this or another thread. Given the cluster with our maroon chums, surely the SFA/SPFL have written rules to govern these very eventualities?

J

[Gordy M]

It really isn’t.

There is a global pandemic and testing is in place to allow football to progress and that any positive tests are spotted quickly and players isolated and contacts traced. In a global pandemic there will naturally be positive tests.

The guidelines were put in place with agreement betweenthe Scottish government, the SFA and The SPFL.

Aberdeen’s players breaking of the guidelines, yes has come to light because of the contact tracing efforts due to the positive test that was discovered but if the player in question was at home with his family that night only he and his family would have to self isolate and the game would be on.

Aberdeen players have clearly broken the guidelines in place and I suspect they weren’t the only team whose players did so.

Action really has to be taken against Aberdeen and any other club which is proven to not follow these guidelines.

Right well thats fine, i have no problem with that, but if thats the way to go, then if photos emerge of Hibs players or any other teams players breaking these rules, then same punishment? What if a player is seen in a shop with no mask? Or out for a coffee in a cafe where other customers are too close? Same punishment?
Im not saying they shouldnt be internally disciplined, but if as suggested they forfeit a game and points deducted then that sets a precedent.....and its a long season ahead.

[lord bunberry]

Dundee Utd fans still don't think its live?
Also if it is wonder how that would affect people who bought ppv?
I think Motherwell are doing refunds.

[Bristolhibby]

Because that disadvantages every other team in the league. Imagine StJohnstone were in the play off spot 2 pts clear of the bottom team at the end of the season and tge bootom team had played all their scheduled games against the Sheep. They would be relegated because Saints had been gifted 3 points. We had enough hassle this year lets not repeat it.

Or imagine they squeezed above on a points per game played average!

Wait a minute!!!

J

[Scott Allan Key]

I have to confess that I'm a bit confused about how meeting in a group from more than the allowed number of households in a pub is any more dangerous than doing full physical contact training every day, plus playing at the weekend, with groups from twenty plus households.

Is it the pub environment that makes it more dangerous? Surely pubs are either safe or they're not safe?

I realise people will be able to quote the current rules and legislation but the logic of it all escapes me, as it all seems so random and contradictory.Because games and training are outdoors. People need to socially distance in pubs and only mix with a certain number from one other household. Problem is, as police have verified, drunk people can't socially distance.

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[Argylehibby]

Because that disadvantages every other team in the league. Imagine StJohnstone were in the play off spot 2 pts clear of the bottom team at the end of the season and tge bootom team had played all their scheduled games against the Sheep. They would be relegated because Saints had been gifted 3 points. We had enough hassle this year lets not repeat it.

I agree but it's also unfair on Saints if they are denied the opportunity to win the 3 points. They could get relegated having in effect played a game less.

[lugz]

The game should either have been played with the players Aberdeen have available or the match awarded to St Johnstone (and probably hamilton and celtic). The Aberdeen players are 100% at fault for this, no one else. It's not like one unluckily got it and it spread in training, the were photographed in a bar not socially distancing. They would deserve any punishment thrown at them.

[Pretty Boy]

So Aberdeen players go out on the lash and St Johnstone get punished by having to try and wedge another game into an already tight schedule. Seems fair.

You either want to be a professional sportsperson or you don't. If that means sacrificing a social life for the sake of your career for a few months then deal with it. The positives of the job outweigh the negative.

[PH91]

Its tricky.

I suspect that someone who wasnt out with the aberdeen players will have tested positive in which case it would be virtually impossible to conclude that it was them breaking gov guidelines which caused the positive result.

Add to that aberdeen saying they would play the game without these players and it only being called off by the gov means a points deduction would only be based on gov guidelines being broken by players.

Hypothetically, lets say 8 hibs players went out for a meal last week or even 1 hibs player in a group of 8 mates. If that came out then there would be a precedent set for deducting hibs points.

[Not So Young]

Aberdeen should forfeit the points

I'm surprised St J arn't making more of a fuss and demanding the 3 points.

[Ozyhibby]

Its tricky.

I suspect that someone who wasnt out with the aberdeen players will have tested positive in which case it would be virtually impossible to conclude that it was them breaking gov guidelines which caused the positive result.

Add to that aberdeen saying they would play the game without these players and it only being called off by the gov means a points deduction would only be based on gov guidelines being broken by players.

Hypothetically, lets say 8 hibs players went out for a meal last week or even 1 hibs player in a group of 8 mates. If that came out then there would be a precedent set for deducting hibs points.

The Hibs players need to be staying at home just now. They are in the fortunate position of still being able to work because football got a special exemption from the SG in order to save their jobs. They need to be sticking to their side of the deal.


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[Gordy M]

The Hibs players need to be staying at home just now. They are in the fortunate position of still being able to work because football got a special exemption from the SG in order to save their jobs. They need to be sticking to their side of the deal.


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I dont think anyone disagrees with that, but if one or two do break the conditions set out, then forfeit the game and points deduction is whats being suggested?

[PH91]

The Hibs players need to be staying at home just now. They are in the fortunate position of still being able to work because football got a special exemption from the SG in order to save their jobs. They need to be sticking to their side of the deal.


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I agree. Everyone should be following guidelines with no exceptions.

I am just pointing out that a points deduction could set a dangerous precedent and no doubt the sfa/spfl will be wary of that.

[Mikey]

The SPFL can't award St Johnstone the points because that'll set a precedent. Then they might have to do the same to Celtic or Rangers further down the line and they won't want to do that.

[we are hibs]

https://twitter.com/AndyNewportPA/status/1291731371698905089?s=19


Killie manager saying their players have been told not to go to any bars or pubs.

[Spike Mandela]

Right well thats fine, i have no problem with that, but if thats the way to go, then if photos emerge of Hibs players or any other teams players breaking these rules, then same punishment? What if a player is seen in a shop with no mask? Or out for a coffee in a cafe where other customers are too close? Same punishment?
Im not saying they shouldnt be internally disciplined, but if as suggested they forfeit a game and points deducted then that sets a precedent.....and its a long season ahead.

It is a long season ahead and the SPFL are well aware there will be bumps in the road. Staff and players at clubs really have to get their heads round these guidelines and sharpish. There is barely enough dates in the calendar for fixtures at the moment without needless postponements.

The Aberdeen chairman is threatening to get tough with those who broke these guidelines and he sounds pretty embarrassed and furious. https://www.afc.co.uk/2020/08/07/chairman-statement/

I think the authorities really need to set an example here and ban players for games as they would for on field disciplinary issues rather than postponements and points deductions etc.

[Lago]

If players at all clubs don't stick to the rule I have no doubt that the Scottish government will close the the league down without a second thought.

[Argylehibby]

Those suggesting Saints should get the points would be going ape at the end of the season if they qualified ahead of us for Europe because of this especially if Aberdeen win the other 3 games against them. You can't disadvantage 10 teams and benefit one because Aberdeen players were idiots.

my suggestion would be >

Deduct Aberdeen 6 points.
Play the game whenever it can be played but the 8 players that are unavailable this weekend remain unavailable.
If dons win they get 3 points but are still 6 behind where they should be.
Players get fined and Aberdeen donate the fines to charity.

[Gordy M]

It is a long season ahead and the SPFL are well aware there will be bumps in the road. Staff and players at clubs really have to get their heads round these guidelines and sharpish. There is barely enough dates in the calendar for fixtures at the moment without needless postponements.

The Aberdeen chairman is threatening to get tough with those who broke these guidelines and he sounds pretty embarrassed and furious. https://www.afc.co.uk/2020/08/07/chairman-statement/

I think the authorities really need to set an example here and ban players for games as they would for on field disciplinary issues rather than postponements and points deductions etc.

Totally agree that the players should be disciplined. Absolutely. Just dont think its as straight forward as deducting points or forefeiting games etc.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Well thats fine then, as long as its the same for every team, positive test, then game off and points deducted. Thats the precedent you set. If your hapoy with that then fair enough.

That is not the precedent being set here. This is a clear breach of protocol and the law hence the reasoning.

[hibbyfraelibby]

You know the terms of their contracts do you ?

It is nothing to do with their contract which is irrelevant. Its the law and league and government protocols they have flagrantly breached.

[Kaff]

For the same reason I'm sure Hearts and Partick got off with small fines the punishment can't be financial during this time. The SFA hammering clubs for cash when everyone is struggling will not work.
Aberdeen should have a points deduction up to a maximum of 3pts and the game should be rearranged so St Johnstone can win the points on the field of play, keeping the integrity of the league placings but punishing Aberdeen in the only available way imo

The officials running the game have to show the government they are taking this seriously or as Lago says the government will just shut us down.
The SFA can punish Aberdeen on the grounds of not instructing or ensuring their players carried out the agreed protocols the Government, Association and clubs agreed. I have no doubt it can be done.
I'm actually more angry that this will delay the ability of grassroots football to recommence, very selfish behaviour from a group who are often called out for their lack of understanding of life outside their pampered bubble

[hibbyfraelibby]

I agree but it's also unfair on Saints if they are denied the opportunity to win the 3 points. They could get relegated having in effect played a game less.

the game would still be played.

[CapitalGreen]

So Aberdeen players go out on the lash and St Johnstone get punished by having to try and wedge another game into an already tight schedule. Seems fair.

You either want to be a professional sportsperson or you don't. If that means sacrificing a social life for the sake of your career for a few months then deal with it. The positives of the job outweigh the negative.

These things even themselves out over time. St Johnstone benefitted from a postponed game last season which resulted in them being awarded an extra £125,000 in prize money at our expense.

[CropleyWasGod]

The game should either have been played with the players Aberdeen have available or the match awarded to St Johnstone (and probably hamilton and celtic). The Aberdeen players are 100% at fault for this, no one else. It's not like one unluckily got it and it spread in training, the were photographed in a bar not socially distancing. They would deserve any punishment thrown at them.

Given the current issues in Aberdeen, it would be irresponsible for the team to travel, and potentially spread infection. That's the reason it's been called off.

[jeffers]

It is nothing to do with their contract which is irrelevant. Its the law and league and government protocols they have flagrantly breached.

I suggest you go back and read the post I quoted.

[green day]

People looking to hammer Aberdeen need to remember that it could have been us.

They will lose players for their next 2 matches, that is punishment enough, perhaps with a fine on top.

[lugz]

Given the current issues in Aberdeen, it would be irresponsible for the team to travel, and potentially spread infection. That's the reason it's been called off.

surely thats why the testing is in place? anyone cleared can go and play. They should have to play the game with the remaining squad or youth team. To let them away with it completely sends out the wrong message.

[Since452]

Hopefully a big wake up call and players, including ours, stick to the rules

[weecounty hibby]

surely thats why the testing is in place? anyone cleared can go and play. They should have to play the game with the remaining squad or youth team. To let them away with it completely sends out the wrong message.
You can test negative and still be incubating the virus and be able to pass it on. It's why they are being constantly tested. If you have been in contact with a proven positive case then you should be isolating for 14 days and if you get symptoms you should arrange for a test

[Since452]

Wonder if Richard Gordon and Willie Miller will condem their beloved Dons on Sportsound

[Kaff]

People looking to hammer Aberdeen need to remember that it could have been us.

They will lose players for their next 2 matches, that is punishment enough, perhaps with a fine on top.

Anyone flouting the agreed protocols and risking football for the whole population should be punished. Hibs, Aberdeen or whoever.
A fine to Aberdeen could have less effect than a fine on Livi for instance, points is the equitable way to go.

[lugz]

You can test negative and still be incubating the virus and be able to pass it on. It's why they are being constantly tested. If you have been in contact with a proven positive case then you should be isolating for 14 days and if you get symptoms you should arrange for a test

In that case then Aberdeen should be punished through forfeiting the game or a points deduction. Only themselves to blame.

[Moulin Yarns]

In that case then Aberdeen should be punished through forfeiting the game or a points deduction. Only themselves to blame.

If you saw the first minister at the daily briefing you should get the message that, as far as the government is concerned this is the first and final warning for all football that any other breach of the rules will not be tolerated.

[G B Young]

From the perspective of health risk postponing is the correct decision. However whether the game should be cancelled and the points awarded to St J is a different matter. There is clear evidence Aberdeen players were not unlucky but broke the rules given to every club, hence there is maybe an argument they should lose the points as a result.

Agreed. Bearing in mind we're likely to see other games affected by Covid as the season progresses the last thing we need is a fixture backlog. If the cause of the postponement is clear negligence by players from one club the points should either be forfeited or deducted from the offending club.

It shouldn't have taken government intervention to have this game postponed when it was clear yesterday it would be reckless to go ahead.

[King Cosell]

St Johnstone game rearranged to Thurs Aug 20, they're home v Livi moved to Sun Aug 23.

[Kaff]

Bottom line is, if this season is halted for a significant time, there will be many footballers out of work. They have jeopardised their own careers and those of their colleagues as well as the chances of kids and grassroots footballers to get back doing something they love.

[King Cosell]

St Johnstone game rearranged to Thurs Aug 20, they're home v Livi moved to Sun Aug 23.

Early fixture pile-up for them. Lovely stuff.

[GreenCastle]

I wonder if there is anything in the rules / guidelines that covers this situation.

I said after last seasons carry on the league need to be ready in case another Hearts situation arises...but earlier..

Bottom line is I feel like they will make it up as they go along with a vote / meeting. When really we should know the protocol rather than no one actually knowing the outcome - regarding points - rearranging etc.

If this weeks game is off how does that leave the other games ?

Regarding Hibs..they are in the public eye and professional..if some were out last week they need to be careful. This Aberdeen example is a warning to every club.

[G B Young]

If you saw the first minister at the daily briefing you should get the message that, as far as the government is concerned this is the first and final warning for all football that any other breach of the rules will not be tolerated.

Maybe they should take an even harder line and decree that the season ends now, with Hibs earning a Champions League spot ;-)

[hibbyfraelibby]

Maybe they should take an even harder line and decree that the season ends now, with Hibs earning a Champions League spot ;-)

Sounds good to me and Alloa by default get promoted from the Chumpionship. (The bigliest maroons are famously marooned in 5th spot, outside the play-off spots on alphabetical difference but safe from relegation)

[Moulin Yarns]

St Johnstone game rearranged to Thurs Aug 20, they're home v Livi moved to Sun Aug 23.

We play St Johnstone on Sunday after.

[B.H.F.C]

Agreed. Bearing in mind we're likely to see other games affected by Covid as the season progresses the last thing we need is a fixture backlog. If the cause of the postponement is clear negligence by players from one club the points should either be forfeited or deducted from the offending club.

It shouldn't have taken government intervention to have this game postponed when it was clear yesterday it would be reckless to go ahead.

If players follow the protocols we shouldn’t see games postponed.

It’s important that point is made IMO. The game has been called off because the broke they rules in place, not because of the positive test.

[Moulin Yarns]

If players follow the protocols we shouldn’t see games postponed.

It’s important that point is made IMO. The game has been called off because the broke they rules in place, not because of the positive test.

It has been cancelled because of the risk, albeit small risk, of spreading the virus to Perth. As stated in the daily briefing.

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm not sure of the timing, but does the reschedule date not mean that the players are still isolated?

[heretoday]

Dock them about forty points.

It's only fair.

[Keith_M]

I'm not sure of the timing, but does the reschedule date not mean that the players are still isolated?


I think the rule is that they can come out of isolation if they go on to have a negative test.

Could be wrong, it is quite complicated.

[Spike Mandela]

I'm not sure of the timing, but does the reschedule date not mean that the players are still isolated?

From the BBC......

The player with the first positive test will self-isolate until 15 August, with the remaining seven doing so until 19 August.

[Keith_M]

The Rangers messed up their testing for the Motherwell friendly. Then the first league game they played was against Aberdeen. Some Aberdeen players have now tested positive.


It's quite clearly The Rangers fault and they should be docked 50 points.


:cb

[04Sauzee]

From the BBC......

The player with the first positive test will self-isolate until 15 August, with the remaining seven doing so until 19 August.

So the only form of exercise training will be done in the house or in the garden?

[Sir David Gray]

So the only form of exercise training will be done in the house or in the garden?

Yes they won't be allowed to leave their own homes during their period of isolation.

[CentreLine]

Instead of points deduction I think all eight players involved should be suspended for the entire first round of fixtures. It is outrageous that they have jeopardised all Scottish football by their selfish and utterly thoughtless actions. People, especially Leeann Dempster, works damn hard to get the season under way and to get all of us some football to watch.

[GreenCastle]

Doesn’t do the league any favours for publicity.

Was the game due for Sky coverage ?

Guess in a weird roundabout way it may put off any potential players signing for Aberdeen in the short term !!

[Caversham Green]

Instead of points deduction I think all eight players involved should be suspended for the entire first round of fixtures. It is outrageous that they have jeopardised all Scottish football by their selfish and utterly thoughtless actions. People, especially Leeann Dempster, works damn hard to get the season under way and to get all of us some football to watch.

I agree with this. Aberdeen have expressed a willingness to play so it would be difficult to justify a direct punishment for the club since it's the government that has (quite rightly) ordered the postponement of the game. In any case losing these players for the first part of the season would probably be punishment enough for any involvement by the club rather than the individual players.

[we are hibs]

Andy Walker just said on the radio Sky tried to get another game for tomorrow but couldnt due to "logistics".

[grunt]

Graham Speirs blaming the Scottish Government for opening bars and restaurants too early.
What is it with Scottish sports journalists that they're so stupid?

[04Sauzee]

Graham Speirs blaming the Scottish Government for opening bars and restaurants too early.
What is it with Scottish sports journalists that they're so stupid?

This is the same guy when the schools were getting closed, pleaded with local councils to allow the gates to 5 aside pitches to remain unlocked to allow children to play outside.

[Northernhibee]

I lived in Aberdeen for seven years and the city itself has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. Sure, at nighttime every city has loads of people out and about but Union St in Aberdeen always had more trouble than anywhere else I've seen. The oil and gas tossers spending literally hundreds of pounds on a night out, taking coke and causing trouble. Every pub filled to the brim. The only place I've had an issue taking my West Ham supporting mate from London was Aberdeen, some wee prick started on him because of his English accent. The only place I've ever had an issue walking home after a Hibs game too.

The amount of young lads earning £40-50k upwards from their early twenties because they were in the right place at the right time for the oil and gas boom has led to the city being a not very nice place at night.

Doesn't surprise me that it's Aberdeen that was the one to get itself locked down.

[JohnMcM]

Graham Speirs blaming the Scottish Government for opening bars and restaurants too early.
What is it with Scottish sports journalists that they're so stupid?

They are not stupid at all, wait 5 minutes and Tom English will be along to tell us all how the Aberdeen spike is unfair on Hertz and that it is more evidence of how corrupt the SPFL is and that Neil Doncaster is obviously incompetent.

[Since90+2]

I lived in Aberdeen for seven years and the city itself has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. Sure, at nighttime every city has loads of people out and about but Union St in Aberdeen always had more trouble than anywhere else I've seen. The oil and gas tossers spending literally hundreds of pounds on a night out, taking coke and causing trouble. Every pub filled to the brim. The only place I've had an issue taking my West Ham supporting mate from London was Aberdeen, some wee prick started on him because of his English accent. The only place I've ever had an issue walking home after a Hibs game too.

The amount of young lads earning £40-50k upwards from their early twenties because they were in the right place at the right time for the oil and gas boom has led to the city being a not very nice place at night.

Doesn't surprise me that it's Aberdeen that was the one to get itself locked down.

I used to have to go up there once a month for work and agree it's not a nice place.Th people were quite cold and dour and the place just seemed miserable.

[heretoday]

Graham Speirs blaming the Scottish Government for opening bars and restaurants too early.
What is it with Scottish sports journalists that they're so stupid?

He's a son of the manse. He probably thinks bars and restaurants are dens of iniquity.

[we are hibs]

https://twitter.com/Kheredine2018/status/1291811947739054080?s=19



Scottish Goverment website saying Aberdeen v hamilton midweek is off while the SPFL are saying its on. What a shambles.

[hibbyfraelibby]

https://twitter.com/Kheredine2018/status/1291811947739054080?s=19



Scottish Goverment website saying Aberdeen v hamilton midweek is off while the SPFL are saying its on. What a shambles.

If our Nic say's its off then it's off regardless of the fact the SPFL webmaster having gone home for the weekend before the email was sent.

[Juniper Greens]

https://twitter.com/Kheredine2018/status/1291811947739054080?s=19



Scottish Goverment website saying Aberdeen v hamilton midweek is off while the SPFL are saying its on. What a shambles.

It's off then. If the government say it's off, it's off.

Aberdeen are going to have an almighty fixture backlog

[hibsboy07]

They will have to call off the Celtic game next weekend

[we are hibs]

Someone better tell Hamilton its off then..

[Glory Lurker]

What’s happened with the Saints game is bad enough, but if their game against Hamilton is stopped then Aberdeen have to be heavily punished. But can they be? What offence have they committed? That’s a genuine question. The SPFL have sorted out emergency rules for football finishing early this season, but have they made provision for the bumps in the road?

[Rocky]

What’s happened with the Saints game is bad enough, but if their game against Hamilton is stopped then Aberdeen have to be heavily punished. But can they be? What offence have they committed? That’s a genuine question. The SPFL have sorted out emergency rules for football finishing early this season, but have they made provision for the bumps in the road?
I wonder if last week's vote was intended to let the board make decisions on situations like this. It was voted down though.

[Mr Grieves]

Graham Speirs blaming the Scottish Government for opening bars and restaurants too early.
What is it with Scottish sports journalists that they're so stupid?

I don't mind Spiers but that is an awful take. He's had folk point out the hospitality industry would be ****ed if they weren't allowed to open but he isn't interested.

[Santa Cruz]

I think the rule is that they can come out of isolation if they go on to have a negative test.

Could be wrong, it is quite complicated.

No they now have to isolate for a full 14 days. They could become infected at any point in that incubation period. A negative test on day 3 doesn't mean they wouldn't then go on to test positive on day 5 for example, even without showing any symptoms.

[grunt]

I don't mind Spiers but that is an awful take. He's had folk point out the hospitality industry would be ****ed if they weren't allowed to open but he isn't interested.

And now we've got kheredine idessane saying the people shouldn't be complaining about footballers instead we should be angry about the SQA. wtf has happened to these bbc sports journalists?

[Eyrie]

What’s happened with the Saints game is bad enough, but if their game against Hamilton is stopped then Aberdeen have to be heavily punished. But can they be? What offence have they committed? That’s a genuine question. The SPFL have sorted out emergency rules for football finishing early this season, but have they made provision for the bumps in the road?

Cormack said that Aberdeen were willing to play the fixtures, so it would be unfair to punish them for a decision taken by the Scottish Government.

[Ozyhibby]

Cormack said that Aberdeen were willing to play the fixtures, so it would be unfair to punish them for a decision taken by the Scottish Government.

If Aberdeen players hadn’t broken the rules the fixture could have went ahead. Aberdeen are in the wrong here.
Football got a special deal to let them open again. There are businesses in Scotland that would have loved that treatment and now football is throwing it back in the SG’s face.
If it happens again every club in Scotland could be shut down. Too right Aberdeen should be punished.


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[Rocky]

If Aberdeen players hadn’t broken the rules the fixture could have went ahead. Aberdeen are in the wrong here.
Football got a special deal to let them open again. There are businesses in Scotland that would have loved that treatment and now football is throwing it back in the SG’s face.
If it happens again every club in Scotland could be shut down. Too right Aberdeen should be punished.


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Agree 100% and now a precedent has been set. The fixtures guy was on the radio a few weeks back saying there's virtually no space in the calendar. Letting them off with a postponement is likely to lead to an utter shambles of a season.

I understand the argument that it's not fair on others if St Johnstone get the points for nothing but it's no more unfair than what happened to Hearts. Bless them...

[Eyrie]

If Aberdeen players hadn’t broken the rules the fixture could have went ahead. Aberdeen are in the wrong here.
Football got a special deal to let them open again. There are businesses in Scotland that would have loved that treatment and now football is throwing it back in the SG’s face.
If it happens again every club in Scotland could be shut down. Too right Aberdeen should be punished.


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So you want Aberdeen punished for something the players did in their own time and without the club's knowledge, and for which Aberdeen were willing to take the hit for by being without those players for three games? It's the individual players who should be punished, not their employer.

It would be a different story if Aberdeen had organised the meal for their players.

[Ozyhibby]

So you want Aberdeen punished for something the players did in their own time and without the club's knowledge, and for which Aberdeen were willing to take the hit for by being without those players for three games? It's the individual players who should be punished, not their employer.

It would be a different story if Aberdeen had organised the meal for their players.

Fine, hit the players with a three game suspension starting when their isolation ends. If this was Hibs I’d be saying the same.
Football asked for special treatment. They need to show they can keep their side of the deal.


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[Iggy Pope]

Fine, hit the players with a three game suspension starting when their isolation ends. If this was Hibs I’d be saying the same.
Football asked for special treatment. They need to show they can keep their side of the deal.


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Why just three games? I’m old enough to remember a Hibs man get an 8 week ban without indulging in life and livelihood threatening activity. Hammer them properly the mugs.

[hibbysam]

I wonder if last week's vote was intended to let the board make decisions on situations like this. It was voted down though.

As soon as that vote was denied, the SPFL leadership should have had the clubs around the table to force them into making rules for the season coming. No ifs buts or maybes. Cover all angles. Season finishing early (what stage depending on what outcome), individual misdemeanours like this etc. None of this waiting til an event happens, it took us by surprise in march, there’s no excuse now.

[Rocky]

As soon as that vote was denied, the SPFL leadership should have had the clubs around the table to force them into making rules for the season coming. No ifs buts or maybes. Cover all angles. Season finishing early (what stage depending on what outcome), individual misdemeanours like this etc. None of this waiting til an event happens, it took us by surprise in march, there’s no excuse now.
I agree, and in fact I think they should have circulated a draft set of rules as an alternative option in that vote. I don't think it's realistic to predict every complexity but they've had months to draw up a list of likely issues to be addressed. This one was entirely predictable.

[hibbysam]

I agree, and in fact I think they should have circulated a draft set of rules as an alternative option in that vote. I don't think it's realistic to predict every complexity but they've had months to draw up a list of likely issues to be addressed. This one was entirely predictable.

Correct. As much as I defended the SPFL in the scenario last season, it’s things like this that really gets my goat with them. Reactive at every turn rather than proactive.

[Kaff]

So you want Aberdeen punished for something the players did in their own time and without the club's knowledge, and for which Aberdeen were willing to take the hit for by being without those players for three games? It's the individual players who should be punished, not their employer.

It would be a different story if Aberdeen had organised the meal for their players.

They're employees of the club, who undertook an obligation to adhere to certain protocols to enable their profession to return to work. If the employees were insufficiently trained to appreciate the implications of breaking those protocols then the club has to be punished, they must then punish their employees accordingly.
(Edit. In my line of work I'd be under no illusions that would be summary dismissal, pro footballers who have a financial value to the company are different but still relevant).
It has to be realised that if every player in the SPFL had behaved like them this week then football would be stopped. Fullstop. I would wager a large % of professional footballers would be out of work if that was the case, Scottish football is on a knife edge atm.
I said it before but I'm more angry if their actions prevent kids and amateur footballers getting back into action, some like us in the North haven't had any football for 12 months at the end of this month

[tomf]

We are only one week into a season that will test everyone and could end at any time if the virus becomes uncontrollable. The Aberdeen players were completely selfish and knew exactly what they were doing. Apart from the obvious life threatening health risks; they have put Scottish football in jeopardy along with their own, and every other player’s livelihood. There really is no excuse for their behaviour. There is normally a golden rule; it is always systemic, but in this case it really is hard to see past individual stupidity. I realise this will sound totally reactionary but I would consider a suspended sine die so that if they display that level of stupidity again they would be out of the game. One despairs. They would probably go out to celebrate having got off with it.

[Santa Cruz]

As soon as that vote was denied, the SPFL leadership should have had the clubs around the table to force them into making rules for the season coming. No ifs buts or maybes. Cover all angles. Season finishing early (what stage depending on what outcome), individual misdemeanours like this etc. None of this waiting til an event happens, it took us by surprise in march, there’s no excuse now.

like the contingency plans most organisations will have in place right now.

[H18 SFR]

Motherwell player to self isolate after returning a positive test followed by two negative tests after supposedly having a night out with friends outside the football bubble. These players are going to get football stopped.

[Stuart93]

Motherwell player to self isolate after returning a positive test followed by two negative tests after supposedly having a night out with friends outside the football bubble. These players are going to get football stopped.

Yep you’re right they are. After all the hard work put in behind the scenes to get it back up and running & the players can’t put a night out on hold until things start dying down a bit. It’s a disgrace.

[B.H.F.C]

Motherwell player to self isolate after returning a positive test followed by two negative tests after supposedly having a night out with friends outside the football bubble. These players are going to get football stopped.

Depends on the circumstances to be fair.

The Aberdeen players were sitting in a group that breached all rules. The Motherwell player might have sat having dinner with a couple of mates adhering to the rules and been unlucky. Might have been sitting in a packed pub of course.

Hopefully the last couple of days are a wake up call for all players/staff.

[we are hibs]

Why does a player who's tested negative twice need to isolate?

[GreenCastle]

So what’s the situation with the players WAGS ?

Are they allowed to mix ? If they meet up and go for a drink then back to partners..

Even footballers will train to home - maybe out for a coffee - see family etc.

Where do you draw the line ?!

[B.H.F.C]

So what’s the situation with the players WAGS ?

Are they allowed to mix ? If they meet up and go for a drink then back to partners..

Even footballers will train to home - maybe out for a coffee - see family etc.

Where do you draw the line ?!

I don’t think there is anyway football can have any kind of say in how someone’s Mrs spends her time.

If you take the football aspect out of it, it’s about folk adhering to the rules that the general public have to adhere to. In the Aberdeen example, they didn’t do that first and foremost (same as plenty non football folk).

[The dalmeny]

I said it before but I'm more angry if their actions prevent kids and amateur footballers getting back into action, some like us in the North haven't had any football for 12 months at the end of this month

good post all round, this in particular. Already cost my lad a fair crack at Scottish cup last season, along with other stuff too. Particularly at older age groups an extended suspension will just result in kids being lost to the game.

[Brightside]

So you want Aberdeen punished for something the players did in their own time and without the club's knowledge, and for which Aberdeen were willing to take the hit for by being without those players for three games? It's the individual players who should be punished, not their employer.

It would be a different story if Aberdeen had organised the meal for their players.

Yes. The players ARE Aberdeen.

[Big_Franck]

I think we are being extremely naive if we think Hibs players (and players of every other club) haven't done the same as those Aberdeen players. I saw the photo of the 4 Aberdeen boys sitting at a table in a pub with no other group anywhere near them.

You can guarantee dozens of players have done exactly the same, meeting a few friends or family members in cafes, pubs and restaurants.

[18Craig75]

I think we are being extremely naive if we think Hibs players (and players of every other club) haven't done the same as those Aberdeen players. I saw the photo of the 4 Aberdeen boys sitting at a table in a pub with no other group anywhere near them.

You can guarantee dozens of players have done exactly the same, meeting a few friends or family members in cafes, pubs and restaurants.

I think in addition to that picture they proceeded to go on a bit of a pub crawl into busier bars.

[JimBHibees]

I think we are being extremely naive if we think Hibs players (and players of every other club) haven't done the same as those Aberdeen players. I saw the photo of the 4 Aberdeen boys sitting at a table in a pub with no other group anywhere near them.

You can guarantee dozens of players have done exactly the same, meeting a few friends or family members in cafes, pubs and restaurants.

Honestly don't think you can presume that. There are clear rules re number of households in indoor areas. Aberdeen players clearly broke this.

[Big_Franck]

I think in addition to that picture they proceeded to go on a bit of a pub crawl into busier bars.

Ah, didn't know that! Thought they'd just been sat at a table on their own.

[B.H.F.C]

I think in addition to that picture they proceeded to go on a bit of a pub crawl into busier bars.

McInnes said they went for dinner then went to one pub for half an hour.

[JimBHibees]

McInnes said they went for dinner then went to one pub for half an hour.

May be wrong but have my doubts about how accurate that may be. One of the news programmes were saying the players were inside the pub that had the huge queues outside.

[B.H.F.C]

May be wrong but have my doubts about how accurate that may be. One of the news programmes were saying the players were inside the pub that had the huge queues outside.

Maybe they were there early. Who knows. They clearly did wrong but they’d soon be proved to be telling lies if they were in multiple places etc.

[Ozyhibby]

So what’s the situation with the players WAGS ?

Are they allowed to mix ? If they meet up and go for a drink then back to partners..

Even footballers will train to home - maybe out for a coffee - see family etc.

Where do you draw the line ?!

The line is that you follow the rules set by the SG. Those Aberdeen players did not.
Partners are not covered by the guidelines.


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[Phil MaGlass]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-53693871?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/scotland/scotland_politics&link_location=live-reporting-story

Says here they went to the Soul bar

[JimBHibees]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-53693871?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/scotland/scotland_politics&link_location=live-reporting-story

Says here they went to the Soul bar

Yes must have been BBC news saying they were in that bar.

[Sir David Gray]

I think we are being extremely naive if we think Hibs players (and players of every other club) haven't done the same as those Aberdeen players. I saw the photo of the 4 Aberdeen boys sitting at a table in a pub with no other group anywhere near them.

You can guarantee dozens of players have done exactly the same, meeting a few friends or family members in cafes, pubs and restaurants.

It's against the rules.

The current guidelines state that it's no more than 8 people across 3 households for indoor gatherings. It's not hard to stick to that.

[GreenCastle]

The line is that you follow the rules set by the SG. Those Aberdeen players did not.
Partners are not covered by the guidelines.


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I’m not saying the Aberdeen players are right but there are so many different scenarios to consider.

Are we ok if 2 Hibs players meet 2 non Hibs players for a drink (Alcoholic / non alcoholic) in a pub - table of 4 Socially distanced from everyone else ?

[kennyh]

If rules are not in place now they can sort it double quick. My take on it is most clubs will have had players out and about in groups that they shouldn't have already. Aberdeen were unlucky and the League is under microscopic scrutiny now

If I was in charge I'd push so that all clubs know that if players or management break Govt Guidelines on keeping everyone safe that club will be unable to fulfil all games scheduled till all involved get through the relevant quarantine period. In effect the opposing team is awarded a 1-0 victory, if it's a cup game the opponents automatically get a bye. NO Rescheduling, punishing only the club whose employees mess up and not anyone else.

It's madness the Govt could close football down again and I fear they would if teams ignore guidelines.

[hibbysam]

I’m not saying the Aberdeen players are right but there are so many different scenarios to consider.

Are we ok if 2 Hibs players meet 2 non Hibs players for a drink (Alcoholic / non alcoholic) in a pub - table of 4 Socially distanced from everyone else ?

Unless 2 of them stay in the same house then no.

[Juniper Greens]

I’m not saying the Aberdeen players are right but there are so many different scenarios to consider.

Are we ok if 2 Hibs players meet 2 non Hibs players for a drink (Alcoholic / non alcoholic) in a pub - table of 4 Socially distanced from everyone else ?

No, it's against the rules. Looks like griffiths broke them last weekend too now.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m not saying the Aberdeen players are right but there are so many different scenarios to consider.

Are we ok if 2 Hibs players meet 2 non Hibs players for a drink (Alcoholic / non alcoholic) in a pub - table of 4 Socially distanced from everyone else ?

Not if it’s more than 3 households.


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[BlackSheep]

It’s no wonder there are resurgences of Covid all over the country if it takes footballers breaking the rules for many many folk to understand exactly what the rules (soon to be LAWS) mean!!

Some of the questions on here are shocking and exactly the reason why will are more than likely to see another wave or another lockdown at the very least!

[Juniper Greens]

It’s no wonder there are resurgences of Covid all over the country if it takes footballers breaking the rules for many many folk to understand exactly what the rules (soon to be LAWS) mean!!

Some of the questions on here are shocking and exactly the reason why will are more than likely to see another wave or another lockdown at the very least!

Definitely another one coming. All you have to do is take a look through your Facebook or Instagram feed to see pictures of people posing next to each other. I think people seem to think if they meet someone in a pub, they are immediately in a bubble with them?!

[Sir David Gray]

I’m not saying the Aberdeen players are right but there are so many different scenarios to consider.

Are we ok if 2 Hibs players meet 2 non Hibs players for a drink (Alcoholic / non alcoholic) in a pub - table of 4 Socially distanced from everyone else ?

8 people from 3 households indoors - that's the maximum.

[Marco G]

Those saying that games should be cancelled need to think how it could affect income from Sky, which is a pretty important thing to consider.

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[hibbyfraelibby]

I’m not saying the Aberdeen players are right but there are so many different scenarios to consider.

Are we ok if 2 Hibs players meet 2 non Hibs players for a drink (Alcoholic / non alcoholic) in a pub - table of 4 Socially distanced from everyone else ?

No...too many households.

[04Sauzee]

A Motherwell player returned a false positive for Covid-19 this week.

After an initial positive diagnosis, two subsequent tests came up negative.

He will isolate for seven days. He will be tested again before returning to training.

[BlackSheep]

8 people from 3 households indoors - that's the maximum.

With social distancing.

[Paisley Hibby]

I’m not saying the Aberdeen players are right but there are so many different scenarios to consider.

Are we ok if 2 Hibs players meet 2 non Hibs players for a drink (Alcoholic / non alcoholic) in a pub - table of 4 Socially distanced from everyone else ?

No - footballers are meant to stick within the football bubble. It's a contact sport and nobody else can take part in that kind of activity right now. It was only allowed for football based on strict adherence to the guidelines specific to professionsl football.

[Eyrie]

Yes. The players ARE Aberdeen.

So if Hibs gave our players a list of prohibited activities in writing, you would want Hibs to be punished if some of those players then ignored the club's written instructions? Imagine the uproar if Hibs missed out on Europe by one point after having three points deducted because Gray, McGregor, Hanlon, Stevenson and Boyle (our remaining 2016 heroes) went to the pub tonight?

I liked Ozy's suggestion of giving the players a ban, and I'd make that without pay as well. The club then suffers by having to play with a weakened team during both the isolation and suspension periods.

[Paisley Hibby]

So if Hibs gave our players a list of prohibited activities in writing, you would want Hibs to be punished if some of those players then ignored the club's written instructions? Imagine the uproar if Hibs missed out on Europe by one point after having three points deducted because Gray, McGregor, Hanlon, Stevenson and Boyle (our remaining 2016 heroes) went to the pub tonight?

I liked Ozy's suggestion of giving the players a ban, and I'd make that without pay as well. The club then suffers by having to play with a weakened team during both the isolation and suspension periods.

Cup heros or not, professional footballers shouldn't be going out to the pub just now. Each club has a duty to ensure that all players understand and stick to the rules.

Aberdeen fans message boards seem pretty clear that last Saturday was a pre arranged night out to celebrate a birthday. Hard to believe McInnes and backroom staff wouldn't have known about it.

If they did know why didn't they stop it? Or why didn't they make damn sure the players were told exactly what would and would not be OK. And what does this story tell us about how confident we can be about the robustness of Aberdeen's management of the whole Covid professional football protocol? Word up there is that Aberdeen FC are in even bigger **** than anybody has yet realised and the fans are not just furious at the players but also at the club.

[Billy Whizz]

Cup heros or not, professional footballers shouldn't be going out to the pub just now. Each club has a duty to ensure that all players understand and stick to the rules.

Aberdeen fans message boards seem pretty clear that last Saturday was a pre arranged night out to celebrate a birthday. Hard to believe McInnes and backroom staff wouldn't have known about it.

If they did know why didn't they stop it? Or why didn't they make damn sure the players were told exactly what would and would not be OK. And what does this story tell us about how confident we can be about the robustness of Aberdeen's management of the whole Covid professional football protocol? Word up there is that Aberdeen FC are in even bigger **** than anybody has yet realised and the fans are not just furious at the players but also at the club.

What do you mean by your last paragraph, Aberdeen are in bigger ....

[Bristolhibby]

As crap as it sounds, if they want a pint, get some beers into the training ground, or a function suite at ER.

That way they can celebrate and stay within their football bubble.

I know some England cricketers slipped out of the team hotel and got bollocked for doing so. (Cricketers are in lockdown within the Old Trafford hotel, can do as they please within that bubble).

J

[blackpoolhibs]

This is a nonsense rule anyway, if you go to a pub, there will be multiple bubbles that you will interact with over the course of an evening. Just going to the toilet will take you into someone else's buble, passing them on the way, waiting at the bar, there's many ways to pass other people just like there is in a restaurant or a supermarket.

Either we close pubs again, or we accept this kind of thing will happen from time to time.

[oneone73]

This is a nonsense rule anyway, if you go to a pub, there will be multiple bubbles that you will interact with over the course of an evening. Just going to the toilet will take you into someone else's buble, passing them on the way, waiting at the bar, there's many ways to pass other people just like there is in a restaurant or a supermarket.

Either we close pubs again, or we accept this kind of thing will happen from time to time.

It's not people passing on the way to the toilets that's the worry. It's being in proximity for 15 minutes or more. Definition of a close contact

[Peevemor]

This is a nonsense rule anyway, if you go to a pub, there will be multiple bubbles that you will interact with over the course of an evening. Just going to the toilet will take you into someone else's buble, passing them on the way, waiting at the bar, there's many ways to pass other people just like there is in a restaurant or a supermarket.

Either we close pubs again, or we accept this kind of thing will happen from time to time.

I think we all know the risk but we have the choice. Footballers shouldn't.

There's no need for them to go to bars and/or restaurants and I'd be surprised if they haven't already been told so by the clubs.

[Peevemor]

It's not people passing on the way to the toilets that's the worry. It's being in proximity for 15 minutes or more. Definition of a close contact

There's definitely a risk from touching door handles & such like.

[Moulin Yarns]

This is a nonsense rule anyway, if you go to a pub, there will be multiple bubbles that you will interact with over the course of an evening. Just going to the toilet will take you into someone else's buble, passing them on the way, waiting at the bar, there's many ways to pass other people just like there is in a restaurant or a supermarket.

Either we close pubs again, or we accept this kind of thing will happen from time to time.

You are forgetting that potential contact with other people is for more than 15 minutes as close as 2m

[Andy74]

As crap as it sounds, if they want a pint, get some beers into the training ground, or a function suite at ER.

That way they can celebrate and stay within their football bubble.

I know some England cricketers slipped out of the team hotel and got bollocked for doing so. (Cricketers are in lockdown within the Old Trafford hotel, can do as they please within that bubble).

J

The word bubble keeps getting used. They aren’t being isolated with just the team and coaching staff. There is no football bubble.

They are being tested regularly and they should only be in close contact when training and playing with others who have ben tested.

Beyond that they are to go by the same rules as everyone else - they are not like the NBA players in the US who are all in a camp.

Of course it is sensible to be taking ever more precautions in their job but I don’t think people understand that they aren’t being kept in any sort of bubble other than training and playing.

[Paisley Hibby]

What do you mean by your last paragraph, Aberdeen are in bigger ....

Aberdeen FC are in even bigger trouble than we realise. The birthday being celebrated was for ex Don Graeme Shinnie. Once the complete facts come out the club are going to get hammered for this by football authorities- according to Aberdeen fans.

[CentreLine]

Those saying that games should be cancelled need to think how it could affect income from Sky, which is a pretty important thing to consider.

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Unfortunately, if the players do but stick to the agreed rules it will be completely out of their hands. The government will step in and football will be done until this is over. The implications of that for clubs, players and the game right down to the grass roots, are unthinkable.

[Logie Green]

Aberdeen FC are in even bigger trouble than we realise. The birthday being celebrated was for ex Don Graeme Shinnie. Once the complete facts come out the club are going to get hammered for this by football authorities- according to Aberdeen fans.

What’s the betting they get fined £2,500?....

[stoneyburn hibs]

Tom English wisdom on Sportsound:
Big games shouldn't be televised, Aberdeen v Rangers etc.

[blackpoolhibs]

The word bubble keeps getting used. They aren’t being isolated with just the team and coaching staff. There is no football bubble.

They are being tested regularly and they should only be in close contact when training and playing with others who have ben tested.

Beyond that they are to go by the same rules as everyone else - they are not like the NBA players in the US who are all in a camp.

Of course it is sensible to be taking ever more precautions in their job but I don’t think people understand that they aren’t being kept in any sort of bubble other than training and playing.

Exactly.

[hibee_girl]

Players statement/apology

https://twitter.com/aberdeenfc/status/1292092282246766594?s=21

[Sir David Gray]

Statement from the "Aberdeen 8"

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Players statement/apology

https://twitter.com/aberdeenfc/status/1292092282246766594?s=21

Apologised to everyone except St Johnstone but other than that it seems fair enough.

[Northernhibee]

If someone's first team isn't available for their players breaking the rules then they should be forced to play their youth team if they have to. If they get tanked ten nil then so be it.

If that's not possible then a points deduction for the offending team and a 3-0 victory to the opposing team should be in place.

Time for footballers to decide if they want to be footballers or drunkards.

[poulton hibs]

St Johnston v Aberdeen rearranged for Thursday 20th August on Sky

[Ronniekirk]

What’s happened with the Saints game is bad enough, but if their game against Hamilton is stopped then Aberdeen have to be heavily punished. But can they be? What offence have they committed? That’s a genuine question. The SPFL have sorted out emergency rules for football finishing early this season, but have they made provision for the bumps in the road?

The Hamilton game should go ahead unless any new members of the squad test positive before the game
Aberdeen need to accept the consequences of having to play a weakened team , if all three fixtures are cancelled are they going to be playing three games a week to catch up But with full strength team


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[Ronniekirk]

Why just three games? I’m old enough to remember a Hibs man get an 8 week ban without indulging in life and livelihood threatening activity. Hammer them properly the mugs.

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[Stokesy's on fire]

The club should be deducted points for this not only that the 8 players involved should be issued with lengthy suspensions. Those 8 players have shown their true colours all 8 of them should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

[mal]

The club should be deducted points for this not only that the 8 players involved should be issued with lengthy suspensions. Those 8 players have shown their true colours all 8 of them should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

I doubt if it's possible within the rules but an appropriate punishment would be the equivalent of a red card for each player involved for each game that is postponed as a result of their actions. At the very least they should not be allowed to participate in the rearranged fixtures, otherwise their opponents are being disadvantaged and Aberdeen rewarded by the postponements.

[Gatecrasher]

The club should be deducted points for this not only that the 8 players involved should be issued with lengthy suspensions. Those 8 players have shown their true colours all 8 of them should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

I dont know about lengthy, they are already missing the next 2 games. they should be suspended for the St Johnstone game IMO.

[Keith_M]

There's definitely a risk from touching door handles & such like.


A lot of pubs and restaurants have dispensers outside toilets and next to doors. They also recommend that you put your face mask on when you're away from your table.

Sadly a lot of people aren't using common sense, especially when there's alcohol involved.

[blackpoolhibs]

I cant see how anyone can say they deserve to be suspended, they have done nothing wrong other than go for a drink.

What i cant get my head around is why their game has been postponed?

They will have enough players to play their games, and those who are self isolating should not be available for 14 days which is just tough luck.

To suspend the games until they are available again is just not right, if they were injured would they do the same?

[hibbysam]

I cant see how anyone can say they deserve to be suspended, they have done nothing wrong other than go for a drink.

What i cant get my head around is why their game has been postponed?

They will have enough players to play their games, and those who are self isolating should not be available for 14 days which is just tough luck.

To suspend the games until they are available again is just not right, if they were injured would they do the same?

The ‘going for a drink’ isn’t what they’ve done wrong. It’s how they went for a drink. They broke protocols and government guidance and for that should be punished. Majority of the players are only out for 7 days also, so presumably back for Wednesday, if not the weekend. And the game was called off by the government to ensure it wasn’t spread to Perth.

[oneone73]

Re your first sentence: they broke the Scottish Government's guidance. That's what people are angry about. This isn't England, where it appears rules have gone out the window just so long as people are spending money.

[Gatecrasher]

The ‘going for a drink’ isn’t what they’ve done wrong. It’s how they went for a drink. They broke protocols and government guidance and for that should be punished. Majority of the players are only out for 7 days also, so presumably back for Wednesday, if not the weekend. And the game was called off by the government to ensure it wasn’t spread to Perth.

Also with the SPFL and SFA working closely with the governement to allow the players to start pre season training and get the league started on time for the players to show disregard for the rules is a bit of a slap in the face for not only the above but also every fan who has committed to helping the clubs through the lockdown by putting the league at risk of being stopped.

[blackpoolhibs]

The ‘going for a drink’ isn’t what they’ve done wrong. It’s how they went for a drink. They broke protocols and government guidance and for that should be punished. Majority of the players are only out for 7 days also, so presumably back for Wednesday, if not the weekend. And the game was called off by the government to ensure it wasn’t spread to Perth.
They play football and train with each other, maybe 24 of them every day, how many protocols are broken there?

How is drinking with them any different, and why should they have different rules put on them to us?

[Moulin Yarns]

I cant see how anyone can say they deserve to be suspended, they have done nothing wrong other than go for a drink.

What i cant get my head around is why their game has been postponed?

They will have enough players to play their games, and those who are self isolating should not be available for 14 days which is just tough luck.

To suspend the games until they are available again is just not right, if they were injured would they do the same?

The postponement was on the advice (demand) from the Scottish government to prevent any risk of the virus being spread from Aberdeen to Perth.

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder how Graeme Shinnie is feeling about all this
Was it not his birthday bash they went out for that night?

[oneone73]

They play football and train with each other, maybe 24 of them every day, how many protocols are broken there?

How is drinking with them any different, and why should they have different rules put on them to us?

They didn't. You wouldn't be allowed to meet indoors with people from more than two other households either. What's so hard to understand?

[blackpoolhibs]

They didn't. You wouldn't be allowed to meet indoors with people from more than two other households either. What's so hard to understand?

I have only seen the same photos you have probably seen, and they were doing no different to what i did last night or last Saturday.

[Billy Whizz]

I have only seen the same photos you have probably seen, and they were doing no different to what i did last night or last Saturday.

Having the meal might have been ok, going to the bars later, certainly wasn’t

[blackpoolhibs]

Having the meal might have been ok, going to the bars later, certainly wasn’t

Why not, have footballers been barred from going to pubs? The pictures i've seen showed them sitting apart, just as i was last night from people i've never met before.

[oneone73]

You can't go for a meal with seven other households either.
Surely you can't do that in England?

[Sir David Gray]

I have only seen the same photos you have probably seen, and they were doing no different to what i did last night or last Saturday.

I'm not sure if you live in Scotland or not but if you do and you met up indoors with more than 7 other people and/or with people from more than 2 other households then you broke the rules.

Just because people are doing it doesn't mean it's ok and given that it's now part of a pretty significant outbreak, it just makes it all the more serious.

[hibbysam]

I have only seen the same photos you have probably seen, and they were doing no different to what i did last night or last Saturday.

There was 8 of them on a night out. Now I’ve no clue about the guidelines in England, but up here the maximum households inside a premises is 3. All must be socially distanced. There were more than 3 households and no social distancing between them.

The only time players have a reprieve from social distancing is on the pitch. You can stick up for them all you want, but the bare facts are that they broke club protocols (as confirmed by them, Cormack and mcinnes) and they broke government guidelines, so should be punished for that.

Had 3 of them went out for a pint then the league couldn’t punish them, the club probably would’ve though.

[Billy Whizz]

Why not, have footballers been barred from going to pubs? The pictures i've seen showed them sitting apart, just as i was last night from people i've never met before.

Don’t know BH, all I know is they were able to start training, ahead of the general public doing things
So the clubs must have signed up to some sort of protocols

[Moulin Yarns]

Why not, have footballers been barred from going to pubs? The pictures i've seen showed them sitting apart, just as i was last night from people i've never met before.

8 people from 8 different houses isn't allowed, not even in England.

[18Craig75]

Tom English wisdom on Sportsound:
Big games shouldn't be televised, Aberdeen v Rangers etc.

I’ve hammered Tom English all summer but I must admit I didn’t think that was a bad suggestion. What he said was that maybe we should reconsider showing the big games in pubs - basically just asking for large gatherings.

In all of this I feel most sorry for the pubs that are doing things right and sticking to the guidelines, no doubt to their own cost. Other establishments putting the till before health and will ultimately ruin it for everyone when the pubs are closed again.

[blackpoolhibs]

8 people from 8 different houses isn't allowed, not even in England.

This is what i dont understand, a pub opens its doors in Scotland or England, it does not restrict its custom to 8 different households?

It is unmanageable, and again i only saw the photos, but they did seem to be sitting apart, who knows how they picked up the virus, it could have been by touching a door handle, or a dirty pint glass not washed properly, or through the air, i have no idea?

What my point is, there is no way in the world you can stop people from drinking in a pub unless you shut them again, and the 8 people from 8 different household is not applied to pubs as far as i can see.

[tamig]

Why not, have footballers been barred from going to pubs? The pictures i've seen showed them sitting apart, just as i was last night from people i've never met before.

There’s also the venue they chose to go to. Absolutely rammed with no social distancing in place. The main concern of the bar owners seems to have been how many folk and cash they could rake in. Many of the smaller bar owners in Aberdeen who’ve put the right controls in place and are adhering to the rules are livid that this behaviour has forced them to shut down again.

[tamig]

This is what i dont understand, a pub opens its doors in Scotland or England, it does not restrict its custom to 8 different households?

It is unmanageable, and again i only saw the photos, but they did seem to be sitting apart, who knows how they picked up the virus, it could have been by touching a door handle, or a dirty pint glass not washed properly, or through the air, i have no idea?

What my point is, there is no way in the world you can stop people from drinking in a pub unless you shut them again, and the 8 people from 8 different household is not applied to pubs as far as i can see.

The photos on here were from the meal. Did you see any photos from the Soul Bar? No social distancing in that place.

[hibbysam]

This is what i dont understand, a pub opens its doors in Scotland or England, it does not restrict its custom to 8 different households?

It is unmanageable, and again i only saw the photos, but they did seem to be sitting apart, who knows how they picked up the virus, it could have been by touching a door handle, or a dirty pint glass not washed properly, or through the air, i have no idea?

What my point is, there is no way in the world you can stop people from drinking in a pub unless you shut them again, and the 8 people from 8 different household is not applied to pubs as far as i can see.

Because everyone that enters the pub aren’t sitting together. All tables should be 2m (in some cases 1m) apart. You should only be sitting at a table with 3 households (including your own). That’s government advice and whether it is right or wrong, that’s the rules.

[18Craig75]

This is what i dont understand, a pub opens its doors in Scotland or England, it does not restrict its custom to 8 different households?

It is unmanageable, and again i only saw the photos, but they did seem to be sitting apart, who knows how they picked up the virus, it could have been by touching a door handle, or a dirty pint glass not washed properly, or through the air, i have no idea?

What my point is, there is no way in the world you can stop people from drinking in a pub unless you shut them again, and the 8 people from 8 different household is not applied to pubs as far as i can see.

There should be ample space between tables, so each 3 household group within the pub are all separate from each other. Meaning if there’s an infected person in the pub, it should only be (at worst) the other 2 people in their group infected and not the whole pub. The fact that this huge outbreak has occurred in Aberdeen is clear evidence that there wasn’t enough distance between everyone, if any.

That’s the intention of the guidelines which I think you probably know, whether you agree with them or not is up to the individual - but adherence to them should be non negotiable.

[hibbysam]

I’ve hammered Tom English all summer but I must admit I didn’t think that was a bad suggestion. What he said was that maybe we should reconsider showing the big games in pubs - basically just asking for large gatherings.

In all of this I feel most sorry for the pubs that are doing things right and sticking to the guidelines, no doubt to their own cost. Other establishments putting the till before health and will ultimately ruin it for everyone when the pubs are closed again.

To be fair, last weekend I believe was only allowed as a trial (government had to give special dispensation to pubs to show live football). I would be mightily surprised if that wasn’t being reviewed now and going back to how it was when pubs opened.

[blackpoolhibs]

The photos on here were from the meal. Did you see any photos from the Soul Bar? No social distancing in that place.

No, never saw them, only saw the pictures from what looked like a pub, not a restaurant. Pubs should be shut down if they won't adhere to the rules, they are ruining it for those who are applying the rules properly.

[blackpoolhibs]

Because everyone that enters the pub aren’t sitting together. All tables should be 2m (in some cases 1m) apart. You should only be sitting at a table with 3 households (including your own). That’s government advice and whether it is right or wrong, that’s the rules.


There should be ample space between tables, so each 3 household group within the pub are all separate from each other. Meaning if there’s an infected person in the pub, it should only be (at worst) the other 2 people in their group infected and not the whole pub. The fact that this huge outbreak has occurred in Aberdeen is clear evidence that there wasn’t enough distance between everyone, if any.

That’s the intention of the guidelines which I think you probably know, whether you agree with them or not is up to the individual - but adherence to them should be non negotiable.

This is how i have seen the pubs i have been in over the last few weeks, although the longer you are in the pub the less people keep their guard up the more they drink, who'd have thought that eh?:wink:

Obviously the pubs that ignore these rules should be closed

[tamig]

No, never saw them, only saw the pictures from what looked like a pub, not a restaurant. Pubs should be shut down if they won't adhere to the rules, they are ruining it for those who are applying the rules properly.

And that seems to be the root of the problem. There should be more checks done on boozers and the ones not playing ball need shutting down. How thats done I don’t know.

[blackpoolhibs]

And that seems to be the root of the problem. There should be more checks done on boozers and the ones not playing ball need shutting down. How thats done I don’t know.

Even pubs that i have visited are struggling to keep to the rules 100%. We sat at a table of 4 yesterday with 2 other people from the same household.

They left and another couple joined us from different households, we left to eat at another pub, came back sat at another table from the one we were at originally, and sat with 3 people we did not know at a table for 6.

Later on, a couple we know came in and sat at a table for 4, we left our table and joined them, i have no idea whether we've broken rules or not, but this scenario must go on all over the country.
All pubs are taking our name and address, and temperature down here.

[Keith_M]

.... Pubs should be shut down if they won't adhere to the rules, they are ruining it for those who are applying the rules properly.


Totally agree with this.

[Sir David Gray]

Even pubs that i have visited are struggling to keep to the rules 100%. We sat at a table of 4 yesterday with 2 other people from the same household.

They left and another couple joined us from different households, we left to eat at another pub, came back sat at another table from the one we were at originally, and sat with 3 people we did not know at a table for 6.

Later on, a couple we know came in and sat at a table for 4, we left our table and joined them, i have no idea whether we've broken rules or not, but this scenario must go on all over the country.
All pubs are taking our name and address, and temperature down here.

You shouldn't be meeting people from more than 4 different households in a 24 hour period in Scotland.

[blackpoolhibs]

You shouldn't be meeting people from more than 4 different households in a 24 hour period in Scotland.

It's unmanageable, when you go to a pub, you have no idea who some people are or if they live together or not.

[Blaster]

It's unmanageable, when you go to a pub, you have no idea who some people are or if they live together or not.

I agree but surely players need to be extra careful at the moment. They could effectively get the whole Scottish game stopped for not following the rules

[Sir David Gray]

It's unmanageable, when you go to a pub, you have no idea who some people are or if they live together or not.

By "meeting" it means deliberately meeting up with people and being within 2 metres of them (or within 1 metre if there's additional measures in place).

[Keith_M]

By "meeting" it means deliberately meeting up with people and being within 2 metres of them (or within 1 metre if there's additional measures in place).


I think BH is meaning it's unmanageable from the PoV of enforcing the rules.

[blackpoolhibs]

By "meeting" it means deliberately meeting up with people and being within 2 metres of them (or within 1 metre if there's additional measures in place).

I know the rules about distance, i'm saying if you want to go to a pub, then these rules are unmanageable and you are putting yourself at more of a risk should you go.

[BoomtownHibees]

I know the rules about distance, i'm saying if you want to go to a pub, then these rules are unmanageable and you are putting yourself at more of a risk should you go.

And is exactly the reason players shouldn’t be going to pubs

[blackpoolhibs]

And is exactly the reason players shouldn’t be going to pubs

Football players are no different to you or me, why should they not be allowed into a bar if you are?

[Eyrie]

Football players are no different to you or me, why should they not be allowed into a bar if you are?

As a group of three, yes, but even then they need to be sensible and not go in if the pub looks to be crowded.

A group of eight isn't allowed for you and me. Footballers get a dispensation for their professional duties (training, playing), not for their social lives.

[BoomtownHibees]

Football players are no different to you or me, why should they not be allowed into a bar if you are?

See the bit you said about “putting yourself more at risk”? I would guess that’s why.

These guys are in a pretty privileged position so should be able to adjust to avoid going to a pub, especially a crowded one with more than the “allowed” number

[blackpoolhibs]

As a group of three, yes, but even then they need to be sensible and not go in if the pub looks to be crowded.

A group of eight isn't allowed for you and me. Footballers get a dispensation for their professional duties (training, playing), not for their social lives.

How do you know they never went in as 2 groups of 3 and a group of 2?

As i keep saying, these rules are unmanageable.

[Sir David Gray]

I know the rules about distance, i'm saying if you want to go to a pub, then these rules are unmanageable and you are putting yourself at more of a risk should you go.

Ok from the point of view of drunk people I agree, social distancing means nothing and I've made that point before, all I was meaning was if you haven't actually deliberately "met" the people you are coming into close contact with and have only been within 2 metres of them due to how busy the pub is then that's the pub that's breaking the rules and not necessarily the individual.

In the case of the Aberdeen players, they have deliberately met up with more than the permitted number of people per household so from that perspective, that particular incident wasn't unmanageable or unavoidable.

[Sir David Gray]

Football players are no different to you or me, why should they not be allowed into a bar if you are?

Because they have been given special dispensation from the government to resume playing when no-one else in the country over the age of 18 is currently allowed to play organised football.

[blackpoolhibs]

Because they have been given special dispensation from the government to resume playing when no-one else in the country over the age of 18 is currently allowed to play organised football.

The clubs have been given dispensation, the players go by the same rules as you and me.

[oneone73]

The clubs have been given dispensation, the players go by the same rules as you and me.

Except the Aberdeen players didn't

[Ozyhibby]

Why not, have footballers been barred from going to pubs? The pictures i've seen showed them sitting apart, just as i was last night from people i've never met before.

Footballers do have separate rules from everyone else in that they asked for special permission to return to work before everyone else in similar types of employment with zero social distancing. They have breached the conditions set by the SG even though those conditions were put in place to save their jobs.


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[Ozyhibby]

Football players are no different to you or me, why should they not be allowed into a bar if you are?

Because they got special treatment from the SG to allow them to return to work. There were conditions attached.


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[Ozyhibby]

The clubs have been given dispensation, the players go by the same rules as you and me.

No they don’t and if they carry on doing it they will find football stopped again.
Besides, they broke even the rules the Scottish public have to stick by.


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[Sir David Gray]

The clubs have been given dispensation, the players go by the same rules as you and me.

The same rules that they broke.

[blackpoolhibs]

Except the Aberdeen players didn't

That is obvious, but as i keep saying, these rules are unmanageable, and these players are in their bubble, they are all tested twice a week, which is funny when you think about it, as they have caught the virus from someone who's not tested twice a week.

They could have said they went out in two 3s and a 2, that would have been fine, but they have it appears gone out together, and nobody at the doors of these pubs stopped them.

We can mump and ,oan about this as long as we like, but this is going on all over the country, and nobody is keeping check on it, either the pubs apply the rules properly, or they need closing down again, it's clear the public wont adhere to the rules.

[blackpoolhibs]

No they don’t and if they carry on doing it they will find football stopped again.
Besides, they broke even the rules the Scottish public have to stick by.


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The Aberdeen players were doing exactly the same thing as Hibs players did last weekend, the only difference being, they caught the virus.

Why no outrage at the 5 Hibs players all breaking the law last weekend?

The Scottish public are not sticking to the rules, clearly they are not doing so in Aberdeen, and i'd imagine its the same all over the countries pubs too.

[FilipinoHibs]

The Aberdeen players were doing exactly the same thing as Hibs players did last weekend, the only difference being, they caught the virus.

Why no outrage at the 5 Hibs players all breaking the law last weekend?

The Scottish public are not sticking to the rules, clearly they are not doing so in Aberdeen, and i'd imagine its the same all over the countries pubs too.

And why the virus is taking off again not just in the UK but in the US southern states. I think we will end up closing indoor pubs and restaurants again.

[blackpoolhibs]

And why the viruscusctaking off again not just in the UK but in the US southern states. I think we will end up closing indoor pubs and restaurants again.

:agree: The public were brilliant at the start of this pandemic, but now i see young men maybe 30s and younger ignoring the problem as if it's not a problem anymore.

You cant have guidelines when death is a very possible option, the public need to be told and unfortunately for the likes of pubs, in my opinion they will need to close again.

Yet saying that, i have my doubts we can have a lockdown as well enforced as we had, if one was applied again.

[CropleyWasGod]

:agree: The public were brilliant at the start of this pandemic, but now i see young men maybe 30s and younger ignoring the problem as if it's not a problem anymore.

You cant have guidelines when death is a very possible option, the public need to be told and unfortunately for the likes of pubs, in my opinion they will need to close again.

Yet saying that, i have my doubts we can have a lockdown as well enforced as we had, if one was applied again.

And that's one of the reasons why people are so angry with the Aberdeen guys. If they abuse the privileges they have been given, people will say "if it's okay for them, it's okay for me".

It's the Dominic Cummings thing all over again

[blackpoolhibs]

And that's one of the reasons why people are so angry with the Aberdeen guys. If they abuse the privileges they have been given, people will say "if it's okay for them, it's okay for me".

It's the Dominic Cummings thing all over again
:agree: This is why i keep saying it is unmanageable.

[CropleyWasGod]

:agree: This is why i keep saying it is unmanageable.

It is manageable if role models stick to the rules, particularly those who have been granted privileges that many others haven't been.

[FilipinoHibs]

:agree: The public were brilliant at the start of this pandemic, but now i see young men maybe 30s and younger ignoring the problem as if it's not a problem anymore.

You cant have guidelines when death is a very possible option, the public need to be told and unfortunately for the likes of pubs, in my opinion they will need to close again.

Yet saying that, i have my doubts we can have a lockdown as well enforced as we had, if one was applied again.

Indoor bars and restaurants are super spreading venues. You can't expect people to be disciplined once they have had a drink. The only way to create the discipline is to shut these venues. This is a matter of life and death

[blackpoolhibs]

It is manageable if role models stick to the rules, particularly those who have been granted privileges that many others haven't been.

Nah, its gone way past that in my opinion. The youngsters of today are not listening to anyone anymore, whether you are Dominic Cummings or the Aberdeen squad, or even the Hibs squad.

[hibbyfraelibby]

It's unmanageable, when you go to a pub, you have no idea who some people are or if they live together or not.

Then dont go to a pub. If you cannot survive without alcohol buy a party six pack and get bladdered at home.

[blackpoolhibs]

Then dont go tk a pub. If you cannot survive without alchol by a party six pack and get bladdered at home.

No thank you, i will go to the pub when i like while i'm still allowed.

[Just Alf]

No thank you, i will go to the pub when i like while i'm still allowed.Ah.. but if I read it right on one of your earlier posts you've broken the guidlines/rules so will be culpable in helping bring that 'close down day' closer!

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[blackpoolhibs]

Ah.. but if I read it right on one of your earlier posts you've broken the guidlines/rules so will be culpable in helping bring that 'close down day' closer!

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Yip, that is why i say the rules and regulations are unmanageable, and either pubs shut or are run properly, but how they are run properly is anyone's guess, as i've yet to see one pub do it right.

[Just Alf]

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Yip, that is why i say the rules and regulations are unmanageable, and either pubs shut or are run properly, but how they are run properly is anyone's guess, as i've yet to see one pub do it right.You're not wrong, it's down to all of us to follow the rules as it's pretty impossible for the pubs etc to enforce it.

I should maybe clarify that your horrid rule breaking post earlier more or less reflected what I did the other night! I did leave early, when more 'mates' arrived in my defence!

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[CentreLine]

How do you know they never went in as 2 groups of 3 and a group of 2?

As i keep saying, these rules are unmanageable.

Oh but they are. The management process is that the government simply say “no football”. All this clamour to find loopholes is ridiculous. Especially when people try to pick and choose rules from different sides of the border.
It is very clear that an agreement was made, without which football would not have been allowed to take place here in Scotland. It appears to me that Aberdeen FC have now got that message loud and clear. I sincere hope that all of the other clubs have too. If not, we can forget this season being continued.

[blackpoolhibs]

You're not wrong, it's down to all of us to follow the rules as it's pretty impossible for the pubs etc to enforce it.

I should maybe clarify that your horrid rule breaking post earlier more or less reflected what I did the other night! I did leave early, when more 'mates' arrived in my defence!

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Did you leave because of the rules, or was it just time to go, as I never witnessed anyone leaving due to more people arriving where I was drinking?

[blackpoolhibs]

Oh but they are. The management process is that the government simply say “no football”. All this clamour to find loopholes is ridiculous. Especially when people try to pick and choose rules from different sides of the border.
It is very clear that an agreement was made, without which football would not have been allowed to take place here in Scotland. It appears to me that Aberdeen FC have now got that message loud and clear. I sincere hope that all of the other clubs have too. If not, we can forget this season being continued.
Footballers might follow the rules from now on, but the real problem is the pubs, not the players.

[CentreLine]

The Aberdeen players were doing exactly the same thing as Hibs players did last weekend, the only difference being, they caught the virus.

Why no outrage at the 5 Hibs players all breaking the law last weekend?

The Scottish public are not sticking to the rules, clearly they are not doing so in Aberdeen, and i'd imagine its the same all over the countries pubs too.

Which five Hibs players was that? You can’t just throw it out there as if it’s a fact but not add any proper context or names.
Careless talk costs lives.

[blackpoolhibs]

Which five Hibs players was that? You can’t just throw it out there as if it’s a fact but not add any proper context or names.
Careless talk costs lives.

Players spotted up town last week by Hibs fan. Its hardly the crime of the century, but it would be if they caught covid.

[CentreLine]

Footballers might follow the rules from now on, but the real problem is the pubs, not the players.

Not the ones I’ve been to. All very well run and within the rules. So far I’ve been to four pubs and two restaurants in the past three week. Not once have I seen anything other than the rules being followed.

[CentreLine]

Players spotted up town last week by Hibs fan. Its hardly the crime of the century, but it would be if they caught covid.

I suspect there are enough hearts fans up town that if any Hibs player was breaking rules it would have been all over social media. I ask again, what Hibs players were up town breaking the rules? You seem well informed

[blackpoolhibs]

I suspect there are enough hearts fans up town that if any Hibs player was breaking rules it would have been all over social media. I ask again, what Hibs players were up town breaking the rules? You seem well informed
It was posted on here, not bothered either way really. We can slate the Aberdeen players all we want, but it's very naive to think they are the only ones doing it.