Pre Season Friendly V Celtic tomorrow - YouTube

[Vault Boy]

Hallberg off, Innes Murray on

[StevesFamau5]

Was that Ntcham who had a wee kick out there?It was.. Petulant wee arse

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[cabbageandribs1875]

david gray has a beard made of nails

[coco22]

Ntcham could have walked there...wee prick.

[Vault Boy]

Silky from Hanlon

[HibbyAndy]

Mallan looks overweight either that or he has bulked up

[SHODAN]

Good save. Think Dabrowski will be fine as our backup this season.

[Dmas]

Like the look of Luca Connell for them is that the guy they got from Bolton?

Spraying the passes about well

[jeffers]

Been impressed with Dabrowski, on this showing I don’t think we need to bring in a no 2.

[Billy Whizz]

Like the look of Luca Connell for them is that the guy they got from Bolton?

Spraying the passes about well

Saw him for their reserves in March, looks a player

[BlackSheep]

Very impressed with Dabrowski today... those who are concerned about our backup goalkeeper options need not worry too much. He’s quite the unit too...

[Vault Boy]

Been impressed with Dabrowski, on this showing I don’t think we need to bring in a no 2.

He's been very good

[B.H.F.C]

Been impressed with Dabrowski, on this showing I don’t think we need to bring in a no 2.

He’s had a good game.

[BlackSheep]

Been impressed with Dabrowski, on this showing I don’t think we need to bring in a no 2.

Lol, beat me to it!

[JohnM1875]

Been impressed with Dabrowski, on this showing I don’t think we need to bring in a no 2.

Totally. He's been brilliant.

[Andy74]

Na it’s a back 3 with Stirling and Doig as wing backs.

Yeah fair enough. First few minutes I watched they were lined up more like the 4 but you’re right.

[cabbageandribs1875]

ooft thunderbolt from doig touched for a corner

[Vault Boy]

Good counter from Hibs and Doig comes close to a double

[Brightside]

Offside! :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

sellick score after ball given away by our 33

[Dmas]

Saw him for their reserves in March, looks a player

Certainly does, there’s guys on twitter going on about sorro but Luca Connell is having a far better game than he is in my opinion.

What position is Ben Stirling normally Billy?

[Callum_62]

Offside! :greengrinSurely was, wasn't it?

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[Vault Boy]

Poor from Innes Murray, 2-1.

[Dmas]

sellick score after ball given away by our 33

Had to have been offside there surely, another forced mistake under pressure

[Scorrie]

Can we not stop giving the ball away. Really poor. 2 goals given away today

[Vault Boy]

Great chance for Horgan who hammers it at the keeper, corner.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Had to have been offside there surely, another forced mistake under pressure

no replays unfortunately

[MrRobot]

Dabrowski looking pretty impressive

[Andy74]

Dabrowski looking pretty impressive

Him and Doing good. Stirling too.

Gullan hasn’t done much and Fraser Murray just isn’t for me.

[18Craig75]

Jackson been poor for both goals. Mallan and F Murray hardly in it apart from 1 decent shot each.

[nonshinyfinish]

I think the guy was level with the ball when LG played it so not offside.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Mistake from mallan nearly leads to another goal



sellick score a 3rd

[we are hibs]

The two geordie guys are absolutely honking

[CMac1988]

More poor defending.

Edit... It may take a touch of someone on the way through but meh.

[Vault Boy]

Horgan works so hard and makes himself a nuisance, but there hasn't been much support for him this half.

[Brightside]

Poor defending from the front post and back post there.

[pogo]

3-1 now☹️

[The 90+2]

Poor defending from the front post and back post there.

Yep. So so easy.

[Onceinawhile]

Boooooooooo

[Brummie_Hibs]

Our defense has been an issue for a number of years. Seems like no change again for the coming season.

[SHODAN]

Still not totally convinced by our defence.

[Heisenberg]

Our defense has been an issue for a number of years. Seems like no change again for the coming season.

Least we arent playing a couple of our first choice central defenders today. Oh....

[18Craig75]

The worrying thing is that this is our first choice CH pairing, and potentially first choice right back.

Poor for all goals, reminiscent of last season.

[sean04]

Gray ball watching

[cabbageandribs1875]

at least we've got that all important away goal

[Brightside]

We were fine until they went to 2 up top. Silly for us not to change to a back 4 then. Huge gaps for Celtic now.

[swin1875]

The two geordie guys are absolutely honking

Going to Hear “£5 quid donation” in my head all day now 😂

[Vault Boy]

We've been poor this half. The team is obviously a good bit away from our first choice 11 so I wouldn't worry too much, though some of the defensive play from the more senior guys is all too familiar.

[Northernhibee]

Going to Hear “£5 quid donation” in my head all day now 😂

Why would you donate money to them in the first place? Clearly raking it in from restreaming other people’s work.

[J-C]

Jackson was a bit part player at Barnsley and apart from a couple of decent games last season, he's decidedly average, if we want to improve we need better than players like him. Our central pairing will be Ryan and Hanlon.

[sean04]

Gave them there goals, losing possession in our final 3rd. Criminal

[Since452]

At least some of our squad players got a good run out

[Hibs90]

Defending has been woeful. Hanlon bullied all game by Klimara. If we don't strengthen the defence were going to regret it. Doig the only one of them getting passmarks here.

[we are hibs]

Its only a friendly and weve got half a team out. There will probably only be 2 or 3 of these at the most in with a chance starting next week

[Brightside]

Good run out. Plenty to work on. Would expect only 3/4 from that starting 11 to start v Killie.

[B.H.F.C]

We've been poor this half. The team is obviously a good bit away from our first choice 11 so I wouldn't worry too much, though some of the defensive play from the more senior guys is all too familiar.

I wonder how many of the back three playing today will play on Saturday.

At a push I’d say Hanlon. But you’d think we’d have given whoever is going to play a run out together. I wonder if we did that on Saturday.

[HibbyAndy]

I'd have thought Nesbit would have played a bit today

[Brightside]

Defending has been woeful. Hanlon bullied all game by Klimara. If we don't strengthen the defence were going to regret it. Doig the only one of them getting passmarks here.

Hanlon put in about 6 or 7 defensive headers, and at least 4 or 5 important tackles. He was poor for the 3rd goal.

[Tambo]

Only caught the last 20 minutes after work, yes again poor defensively from hibs in the period I watched.

Dabrowski and Doig looked able to play first team if asked upon.

Looking like from these bounce games, jack ross is going back to 1 up top again 🙄

[The Captain....]

Some positives and obviously just a run out but defensively all over the shop. I hope we've got a couple of decent defenders in mind to come in as it looked very similar to the ropey defending of last season.. The celtic strikers have had the freedom of Celtic Park second half.

Liked the look of Doig and thought Horgan looked busy..although he could have done better with final ball/finishes. Other than that don't think anyone else really shone.

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[jeffers]

I know you could argue every goal you lose is a bad goal, but we seem to lose more than our fair share through poor defending, the first and third in particular today. Hopefully today won’t be repeated as the season goes on.

[hhibs]

We've been poor this half. The team is obviously a good bit away from our first choice 11 so I wouldn't worry too much, though some of the defensive play from the more senior guys is all too familiar.


Just seem unable to get the ball out when put under the slighest attacking pressure in the middle of the park,same old,same old I am afraid.

Not sure the thinking on that team given we are playing for real on the 1st,:confused:

[davhibby]

Good run out. Plenty to work on. Would expect only 3/4 from that starting 11 to start v Killie.

I’d be surprised if it’s as much as that. The 2 cbs are the only ones with a chance of starting. If that’s the shape we’re playing the team apart from the centre halfs picks itself

[cabbageandribs1875]

good SDG got the full 90

Horgan had not a bad game as did doig and the GK

[Stuart93]

Just seem unable to get the ball out when put under the slighest attacking pressure in the middle of the park,same old,same old I am afraid.

Not sure the thinking on that team given we are playing for real on the 1st,:confused:

Jesus Christ it’s only a friendly?

That hibs team probably isn’t anything close to what we’ll be playing on Saturday

The reaction to losing a friendly has been pretty OTT

[Brightside]

I’d be surprised if it’s as much as that. The 2 cbs are the only ones with a chance of starting. If that’s the shape we’re playing the team apart from the centre halfs picks itself

I think we will go with Doig. Assuming we are going with 352. But i havent seen our shape in other games.

[Leitherhibs]

Only caught the last 20 minutes after work, yes again poor defensively from hibs in the period I watched.

Dabrowski and Doig looked able to play first team if asked upon.

Looking like from the these bounce games, jack ross is going back to 1 up top again 🙄


I wouldn't be so sure, it was a 3-4-3 at times with Horgan and Gullan, then Shanley up top.

Didn't feel like it was 1 up unless we'd gone a long stretch without the ball, which happened a few times today.

[Unseen work]

Couple of thoughts on the game/players

Dabrowski - Impressive performance. Quick off his like, couple of good saves and good with the ball at his feet

Doig - Can’t be far off from starting? Bags of energy, sharp and a great cross. Liked what I saw.

Stirling - Dont think he’s a right wing back but he was solid defensively and good on the ball, doesn’t offer much going forward. Right back or defensive mid for me.

Murray - Poor. So so weak on the ball and slow imo. I want him to succeeed but I just don’t see it.

Hallberg - Playing against younger opposition is expect so much more. Hardly touched the ball and never really seemed to get close to his man.



Luka O’Connell for Celtic looked really good when he came on imo.

[JohnM1875]

I'd be playing Porto or Daz ahead of Jackson. Wasn't great at all today.

Thought Doig looked really good! Same with Dabrowski. Hadn't seen either play before. So pleased with that.

Horgan played well too. Could be pushing for a start with performances like today and that goal against Aberdeen.

[davhibby]

I think we will go with Doig. Assuming we are going with 352. But i havent seen our shape in other games.

Based on today I’d be very happy with that, just assumed Stevenson would play

[DTS]

Plenty positives we were very good first half. Doig looks good, Horgan played well. Mallan and Murray a good first half but drifted, good for Mallan to get 90 mins. Dabrowski looked good as well IMO, actually thought Hanlon was decent as well. Good run out overall and some very encouraging passages of play disappointing goals to concede as well though, first goal we just slightly overplay but that can happen when we want to play a good style. Overall encouraged and looking forward to next week

[Vault Boy]

Just seem unable to get the ball out when put under the slighest attacking pressure in the middle of the park,same old,same old I am afraid.

Not sure the thinking on that team given we are playing for real on the 1st,:confused:

We played the other players against Aberdeen on Saturday so I think it makes sense that we split the squads, given the proximity of the games.

[Vault Boy]

Couple of thoughts on the game/players

Dabrowski - Impressive performance. Quick off his like, couple of good saves and good with the ball at his feet

Doig - Can’t be far off from starting? Bags of energy, sharp and a great cross. Liked what I saw.

Stirling - Dont think he’s a right wing back but he was solid defensively and good on the ball, doesn’t offer much going forward. Right back or defensive mid for me.

Murray - Poor. So so weak on the ball and slow imo. I want him to succeeed but I just don’t see it.

Hallberg - Playing against younger opposition is expect so much more. Hardly touched the ball and never really seemed to get close to his man.



Luka O’Connell for Celtic looked really good when he came on imo.

I'd agree with all of that.

[hhibs]

Jesus Christ it’s only a friendly?

That hibs team probably isn’t anything close to what we’ll be playing on Saturday

The reaction to losing a friendly has been pretty OTT




Opinions,who would have thought.

[Hibs90]

Hanlon put in about 6 or 7 defensive headers, and at least 4 or 5 important tackles. He was poor for the 3rd goal.

Must have missed them :greengrin

Either way I stand by what I said. Been saying it since last season.

[MrRobot]

Jackson was a bit part player at Barnsley and apart from a couple of decent games last season, he's decidedly average, if we want to improve we need better than players like him. Our central pairing will be Ryan and Hanlon.

jackson was solid when he came into the team last season and chipped in with a fair few goals.

[SaulGoodman]

Jesus Christ it’s only a friendly?

That hibs team probably isn’t anything close to what we’ll be playing on Saturday

The reaction to losing a friendly has been pretty OTT

:agree:

Probably why Hibs didn’t bother tweeting about the other bounce games we had.

[Unseen work]

I assume Mackie still isn’t match fit?

[hhibs]

We played the other players against Aberdeen on Saturday so I think it makes sense that we split the squads, given the proximity of the games.



Fair enough.

[Tambo]

I wouldn't be so sure, it was a 3-4-3 at times with Horgan and Gullan, then Shanley up top.

Didn't feel like it was 1 up unless we'd gone a long stretch without the ball, which happened a few times today.

Even still that is only 1 centre forward, I thought we looked good when we went 3-4-1-2 last season and we all seen what happened when Doidge finally got a partner up top with him. Not having a go at your post i just feel a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 dont work for us, both hecky and jack ross has tried this and it never worked.

[B.H.F.C]

We played the other players against Aberdeen on Saturday so I think it makes sense that we split the squads, given the proximity of the games.

Don’t know exactly what the team was on Saturday but I’m going to guess, whatever it was, won’t be far away from being the team against Kilmarnock.

Can’t see many of those playing today starting at all.

[Daniel 1875]

Thought Doig and Stirling put in decent shifts at wing back.

Interesting to see if the 3-5-2 is something Jack Ross uses on Saturday - Nisbet and Doidge together up front is a pairing we all want to see and only a few systems we can play which accommodates a front 2.

[yerauldda]

I find it interesting that Hanlon featured. I don't think anyone, perhaps with the exception of Doig, that started today will do on Saturday too.

Marciano

McGinn Porteous McGregor Stevenson/Doig

Allan Gogic Newell

Boyle Doidge Nisbet

I reckon that's how we will go. Wright bang in contention too.

[Pretty Boy]

Doig, Dabrowski and Stirling all done well from what I see which is a big positive.

Fraser Murray was Fraser Murray. Showed glimpses but largely on the edge of the action. I don't see anyway he gets in a team ahead of either Allan or Mallan.

[Unseen work]

I find it interesting that Hanlon featured. I don't think anyone, perhaps with the exception of Doig, that started today will do on Saturday too.

Marciano

McGinn Porteous McGregor Stevenson/Doig

Allan Gogic Newell

Boyle Doidge Nisbet

I reckon that's how we will go. Wright bang in contention too.

I’ll go for

.....................Marciano............

........Porteous....McGregor.....Hanlon....

Boyle........Gogic......Newell..........Wright.... ....

........................Allan.........

................Nisbet.......Doidge.....

Think we will go a 352 to get all of our flair players in the starting 11.

[Vault Boy]

Don’t know exactly what the team was on Saturday but I’m going to guess, whatever it was, won’t be far away from being the team against Kilmarnock.

Can’t see many of those playing today starting at all.

I'd say you're probably right. As far as I can tell Marciano, McGinn, McGregor, Porteous, Stevenson, Wright, Allan, Gogic, Boyle, Horgan, Hallberg and Nisbet all played at some point against Aberdeen, presumably Newell too. Dunno who started/came off the bench though.

Doig has earned a chance I feel.

Anybody know if Doidge is injured, by the way? Hasn't been mentioned much in pre season and there was a picture of him running with Mackie.

[Tambo]

Would love to see

Rocky

McGinn
Porteous
Hanlon

Boyle
Mallan
Gogic
Newell
Wright

Allan

Doidge
Nisbet

[Tambo]

I’ll go for

.....................Marciano............

........Porteous....McGregor.....Hanlon....

Boyle........Gogic......Newell..........Wright.... ....

........................Allan.........

................Nisbet.......Doidge.....

Think we will go a 352 to get all of our flair players in the starting 11.


Excatly the same as me apart from I put McGinn in.

[Vault Boy]

Would love to see

Rocky

McGinn
Porteous
Hanlon

Boyle
Mallan
Gogic
Newell
Wright

Allan

Doidge
Nisbet

So would I - 12 players is a definite advantage. :greengrin

[sauzee=legend]

Would love to see

Rocky

McGinn
Porteous
Hanlon

Boyle
Mallan
Gogic
Newell
Wright

Allan

Doidge
Nisbet

We should win.... with 12 players on the pitch 😉😂

[mayo hibee]

Luka O’Connell for Celtic looked really good when he came on imo.

Connell's the kind of player I'd like to see us bring in on loan to strengthen the midfield, he won't get much of a look in at Celtic this season.

Him and Allan doing the creative stuff with Gogic doing the dirty work behind them would be interesting to see.

I think Fraser Murray needs a loan out for the sake of his career, needs a run of first team football and I can't see him getting it at Easter Road.

[04Sauzee]

Dabrowski looked decent from what I seen

[hibsbollah]

Is this available anywhere now?

[Brightside]

Must have missed them :greengrin

Either way I stand by what I said. Been saying it since last season.

i know. :greengrin

[Brooster]

Good run out. Plenty to work on. Would expect only 3/4 from that starting 11 to start v Killie.

I think you will be lucky if 1 of them plays. I would like to see Dabrowski and Doig coming in. Ideal time.

[Tambo]

We should win.... with 12 players on the pitch 😉😂


Oh dear, my hibs.net moment, have been up since 4am and had a long shift.

Take out mallan and that would be my team, the same formation when we had docherty and omeonga but would be Gogic staying back and Newell getting forward.

[Andy74]

Connell's the kind of player I'd like to see us bring in on loan to strengthen the midfield, he won't get much of a look in at Celtic this season.

Him and Allan doing the creative stuff with Gogic doing the dirty work behind them would be interesting to see.

I think Fraser Murray needs a loan out for the sake of his career, needs a run of first team football and I can't see him getting it at Easter Road.

I wouldn’t be worrying about a loan for Murray. He’s not going to be a Hibs player so he should be allowed to leave and find a level he can play at.

[Heisenberg]

So is Paul Hanlon no longer first choice given he’s played 90 minutes today? Be interesting to see what happens on Saturday.

[itslegaltender]

Like the look of Luca Connell for them is that the guy they got from Bolton?

Spraying the passes about well


he's a good loan player on Football Manager.

[B.H.F.C]

So is Paul Hanlon no longer first choice given he’s played 90 minutes today? Be interesting to see what happens on Saturday.

Definitely an interesting one. From the photos I saw from the Aberdeen game you could tell Porteous was playing left centre half (obviously no idea if that was as part of a 2 or 3).

I think Porteous is nailed on to play but you’d have thought you’d give your preferred pair (or three a run out together).

[Leitherhibs]

Even still that is only 1 centre forward, I thought we looked good when we went 3-4-1-2 last season and we all seen what happened when Doidge finally got a partner up top with him. Not having a go at your post i just feel a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 dont work for us, both hecky and jack ross has tried this and it never worked.

I totally agree with what you're saying, none of our 3 forwards really suit being lone strikers. Just didn't feel like todays game was as black and white as 1 up top. Think we'll find a way of accomodating 2 of Gullan, Nisbet and Doidge in a system that supports having 2 guys leading the line.

[Andy74]

So is Paul Hanlon no longer first choice given he’s played 90 minutes today? Be interesting to see what happens on Saturday.

Indicates nothing really. The game is 5 days away.

[Brightside]

Definitely an interesting one. From the photos I saw from the Aberdeen game you could tell Porteous was playing left centre half (obviously no idea if that was as part of a 2 or 3).

I think Porteous is nailed on to play but you’d have thought you’d give your preferred pair (or three a run out together).

I think it will be Porto, Jackson, Hanlon. My main concern is that none of them are fast, and we saw today how we struggle with a smart striker playing off the shoulder.

[Alex Trager]

Defending has been woeful. Hanlon bullied all game by Klimara. If we don't strengthen the defence were going to regret it. Doig the only one of them getting passmarks here.

Have to agree here. Defence is our weakest area, people think that gogic is going to stop us conceding so many but the reality is quite different. We need a better CH than Hanlon and I think a better RB than what we have

[hibbysam]

Have to agree here. Defence is our weakest area, people think that gogic is going to stop us conceding so many but the reality is quite different. We need a better CH than Hanlon and I think a better RB than what we have

It won’t solve all our problems, but if you don’t think that signing a solid defensive midfielder, which we didn’t have before, will prevent us conceding some goals, then I’m afraid your wrong. We severely missed a player like that last year. We also need full backs who stop crosses, our centre halves dealt with hundreds of balls into our box, but simple rules say that if you allow far too many balls to come in, your going to make one mistake and lose a goal. Everyone then forgets the great work you done with the rest.

[Unseen work]

You can see the difference Gogic will make even in today’s game.

The amount of long balls Celtic would win and it would fall to one of their players who are in between our midfield and defence was very worrying. That gap is where Gogic will be and he will apply pressure to the opposition - another thing I really think we miss and need in midfield, we seem to allow players to turn and make a pass.

What I will say about Gogic is he will probably do things that don’t get too much recognition with fans, for example it’s not a case if he goes about making big crunching tackles. He’s more about position, cutting it passing lanes and intercepting those passes, winning loose balls in midfield and a lot of headers we would normally lose or not be in a position to win.

I also think we need to work on playing out from the back and getting it into midfield a lot quicker, our midfield tends to push on high and leaves the defenders with the ball. I’d prefer to see my defenders make a simple 5 yard pass to the midfielder (Newell this season) who then pulls the strings. This way they’re all in position should it break down.

Gray although playing RCB today, could see he was rusty/poor on the ball and had one free kick where he just played it out for a throw, it was really quite bizarre to see. I’m not sure we will see much of him at all this season even if he is fit.

Although Boyle and Wright weren’t playing today and it will be their role, I would like to see us bring in another direct, pacey player that can take on the opposition and make things happen

Wouldnt be upset to see the following leaving .

Fraser Murray
Inness Murray
Tom James
Flo Kamberi
Shanley - Loan

[B.H.F.C]

I actually thought we did well for fair chunks of the game. Scored a good goal, Horgan should have scored and we had a number of other decent efforts.

Hardly any of them will play on Saturday. The goalie and Doig gave account of themselves but, other than that, I don’t think we saw anything you wouldn’t expect to see from the rest of them. Disappointed with Hallberg, thought he looked well off it.

[Hibee Mac]

You can see the difference Gogic will make even in today’s game.

The amount of long balls Celtic would win and it would fall to one of their players who are in between our midfield and defence was very worrying. That gap is where Gogic will be and he will apply pressure to the opposition - another thing I really think we miss and need in midfield, we seem to allow players to turn and make a pass.

What I will say about Gogic is he will probably do things that don’t get too much recognition with fans, for example it’s not a case if he goes about making big crunching tackles. He’s more about position, cutting it passing lanes and intercepting those passes, winning loose balls in midfield and a lot of headers we would normally lose or not be in a position to win.

I also think we need to work on playing out from the back and getting it into midfield a lot quicker, our midfield tends to push on high and leaves the defenders with the ball. I’d prefer to see my defenders make a simple 5 yard pass to the midfielder (Newell this season) who then pulls the strings. This way they’re all in position should it break down.

Gray although playing RCB today, could see he was rusty/poor on the ball and had one free kick where he just played it out for a throw, it was really quite bizarre to see. I’m not sure we will see much of him at all this season even if he is fit.

Although Boyle and Wright weren’t playing today and it will be their role, I would like to see us bring in another direct, pacey player that can take on the opposition and make things happen

Wouldnt be upset to see the following leaving .

Fraser Murray
Inness Murray
Tom James
Flo Kamberi
Shanley - LoanGood post, agree with it all.

And it may go unnoticed by some, but if Gogic comes in and does all of that in our midfield I'll be buzzing.

I do agree with the general consensus on needing an improved backline, particularly RB and LCB, that being said we have a lot of defenders on the books which limits our ability to change things up, particularly this year.

[J-C]

I actually thought we did well for fair chunks of the game. Scored a good goal, Horgan should have scored and we had a number of other decent efforts.

Hardly any of them will play on Saturday. The goalie and Doig gave account of themselves but, other than that, I don’t think we saw anything you wouldn’t expect to see from the rest of them. Disappointed with Hallberg, thought he looked well off it.


Wonder if they're regretting giving him a 3 yr deal now, he should be well bedded into the team by now and strolling games like today.

[Hibee Mac]

Wonder if they're regretting giving him a 3 yr deal now, he should be well bedded into the team by now and strolling games like today.Still, could be worse. They gave James a 3 year deal.

For what it's worth I think Hallberg has more to show, although the longer it takes the more of a "Slivka type" he will become.

[Tambo]

I totally agree with what you're saying, none of our 3 forwards really suit being lone strikers. Just didn't feel like todays game was as black and white as 1 up top. Think we'll find a way of accomodating 2 of Gullan, Nisbet and Doidge in a system that supports having 2 guys leading the line.

I hope so too and nothing wrong with going with 1 striker away from home but at home to teams like kilmarnock we should be going for it.

[Billy Whizz]

I wouldn’t be worrying about a loan for Murray. He’s not going to be a Hibs player so he should be allowed to leave and find a level he can play at.

I didn’t see today’s game, but it looks like a few have made up their opinion on Murray. Was he any worse than Mallan, Mellberg or Horgan today?

Just as well Jack picks the team, as he rates Fraser highly

[B.H.F.C]

I didn’t see today’s game, but it looks like a few have made up their opinion on Murray. Was he any worse than Mallan, Mellberg or Horgan today?

Just as well Jack picks the team, as he rates Fraser highly

Mallan the best of the midfield for me. For the first hour anyway.

Hallberg was just Hallberg in that he didn’t do much other than run about a bit.

Horgan played up front, was a threat and got a good assist.

We’ll see how highly JR rates Murray in the coming months. My guess is not that highly because I don’t think he’ll displace those in front of him.

[Unseen work]

I didn’t see today’s game, but it looks like a few have made up their opinion on Murray. Was he any worse than Mallan, Mellberg or Horgan today?

Just as well Jack picks the team, as he rates Fraser highly

Imo yes, he was quite a bit worse than them with maybe the exception of Hallberg or for me just rarely touched the ball or got close to his man.

Murray in fairness worked hard, pressed and worked harder in that respect than Iv seen previous. But on the ball he just doesn’t seem to have the pace, skill, strength or aggression to beat a man.

Horgan was everywhere and his pace and directness caused quite a few problems - I’m one of Horgans critics but think playing more central suited him as he was really busy and being a nuisance.

[andrew70]

I didn’t see today’s game, but it looks like a few have made up their opinion on Murray. Was he any worse than Mallan, Mellberg or Horgan today?

Just as well Jack picks the team, as he rates Fraser highly

Got to say I agree with Andy74.

He won’t make it here. IMO played him slightly deeper today but failed to impress. Lost the ball countless times. Seen him a lot at dev level and he looks a good player but doing nothing in first team games.

[Billy Whizz]

Mallan the best of the midfield for me. For the first hour anyway.

Hallberg was just Hallberg in that he didn’t do much other than run about a bit.

Horgan played up front, was a threat and got a good assist.

We’ll see how highly JR rates Murray in the coming months. My guess is not that highly because I don’t think he’ll displace those in front of him.
Thanks, Where did Fraser play today. He plays in so many positions, but I think his best position is wide left

[Unseen work]

Thanks, Where did Fraser play today. He plays in so many positions, but I think his best position is wide left

For me he played centrally, probably the most advanced of the midfield three

I know others think we played various formations but for me today it was;


......................Dabrowski.................

............Gray.......Jackson.......Hanlon......

Stirling.......Mallan........Hallberg.........Doig ......

.........................Murray........

.................Horgan.........Gullan........

[500miles]

For me he played centrally, probably the most advanced of the midfield three

I know others think we played various formations but for me today it was;


......................Dabrowski.................

............Gray.......Jackson.......Hanlon......

Stirling.......Mallan........Hallberg.........Doig ......

.........................Murray........

.................Horgan.........Gullan........

We were definitely switching shapes throughout, but never really worked as a cohesive unit. There were times Horgan and Gullan were a front 2, and others when Horgan was a good bit deeper. The midfield 3 didn't seem to have any defined roles and they struggled to find each other in space.

We also tried to force playing the ball out from the back when there wasnt a pass on, which got us in trouble. Its a reasonable time to do it in a bounce game, but Aberdeen should be treated as more of a finished product.

[Alex Trager]

It won’t solve all our problems, but if you don’t think that signing a solid defensive midfielder, which we didn’t have before, will prevent us conceding some goals, then I’m afraid your wrong. We severely missed a player like that last year. We also need full backs who stop crosses, our centre halves dealt with hundreds of balls into our box, but simple rules say that if you allow far too many balls to come in, your going to make one mistake and lose a goal. Everyone then forgets the great work you done with the rest.

I absolutely agree he will help hugely. My point was that the defence is the same as last season. And it was powderpuff last season.

[Future17]

I didn’t see today’s game, but it looks like a few have made up their opinion on Murray. Was he any worse than Mallan, Mellberg or Horgan today?

Just as well Jack picks the team, as he rates Fraser highly

I know it's almost a cliche for young players now Billy, but I think unless Fraser gets out on loan and plays regular first team football, he won't make the improvement needed to be a first team player with us.

I'm all for giving young players a run in the team when they're ready, but I don't think he's at that level yet.

[Speedy]

Excatly the same as me apart from I put McGinn in.

Aye, I can see McGinn in for McGregor and that being the 11. (Albeit eith McGinn RCH and Porteous in the middle)

[Brightside]

I didn’t see today’s game, but it looks like a few have made up their opinion on Murray. Was he any worse than Mallan, Mellberg or Horgan today?

Just as well Jack picks the team, as he rates Fraser highly

I like Fraser and have done for years now. But for me he isnt developing Billy. He still looks too slight, and not fast enough to compete at the top level in Scotland. I;d get him out on a proper loan in the Championship were he can play every single week and hopefully come back ready to start for us. Mallan and Horgan were miles ahead of him yesterday - and im not the biggest Horgan fan.

[Brooster]

I like Fraser and have done for years now. But for me he isnt developing Billy. He still looks too slight, and not fast enough to compete at the top level in Scotland. I;d get him out on a proper loan in the Championship were he can play every single week and hopefully come back ready to start for us. Mallan and Horgan were miles ahead of him yesterday - and im not the biggest Horgan fan.

I agree with all of that. I cant help comparing Fraser Murray to Sam Stanton, he hasn't kicked on these last 2 seasons. Horgan has had a great pre seasin which is promising.

[Hibee Mac]

Totally agree that Fraser Murray needs a loan if he's to have any chance of making it here.

I wonder if he's fallen foul of being a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none? He certainly hasn't shown much for the first team which would justify him staying to fight for a place.