2020/21 smaller Scottish Cup

[Moulin Yarns]

Plans being discussed for a smaller Scottish Cup competition the coming season.

https://news.stv.tv/sport/football/proposals-on-table-for-major-revamp-of-scottish-cup

[G15 Hibs]

Like the size of a Subbuteo one?

[Dibben]

Only Premiership teams???? :wink: :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

That will be a financial blow for the clubs below League 2.

I suppose if we have to finish last seasons competition then you can't start this seasons until that has taken place.

[Springbank]

Top 16 teams only at time of the draw (3 dec) would make sense

Now, about that upcoming 15 point penalty for taking Football Matters to court, Mrs Budge...

[Moulin Yarns]

52 teams rather than 112.

[nonshinyfinish]

52 teams rather than 112.

So still the Big Cup, but only just?

[Liberal Hibby]

That will be a financial blow for the clubs below League 2.

I suppose if we have to finish last seasons competition then you can't start this seasons until that has taken place.

Not really - the 'big' clubs only come into the competition in January so as long as the semi and final are played there's no reason the early rounds can't start. But I guess this is more about match fitness and lack of crowds with lower/non leagues starting in October.

[hibbysam]

It’s a definite no from me. Those clubs outwith the ‘leagues’ deserve their place, many clubs have spent tens of thousands on ground upgrades for their SFA licences to gain access to it. Those clubs seasons can surely go on a tad longer (no need to have non leagues finished before Euros), so when they get back playing in October, their first few games can be cup ties, rattling through the early rounds/prelims, even using midweeks. The prize money and additional sponsorships are huge for these clubs and shouldn’t just be binned.

[jacomo]

It’s a definite no from me. Those clubs outwith the ‘leagues’ deserve their place, many clubs have spent tens of thousands on ground upgrades for their SFA licences to gain access to it. Those clubs seasons can surely go on a tad longer (no need to have non leagues finished before Euros), so when they get back playing in October, their first few games can be cup ties, rattling through the early rounds/prelims, even using midweeks. The prize money and additional sponsorships are huge for these clubs and shouldn’t just be binned.


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[Sir David Gray]

It’s a definite no from me. Those clubs outwith the ‘leagues’ deserve their place, many clubs have spent tens of thousands on ground upgrades for their SFA licences to gain access to it. Those clubs seasons can surely go on a tad longer (no need to have non leagues finished before Euros), so when they get back playing in October, their first few games can be cup ties, rattling through the early rounds/prelims, even using midweeks. The prize money and additional sponsorships are huge for these clubs and shouldn’t just be binned.

Agreed.

[Glory Lurker]

If we can't do a proper Cup we shouldn't do a Cup at all.

[surreyhibbie]

It’s a definite no from me. Those clubs outwith the ‘leagues’ deserve their place, many clubs have spent tens of thousands on ground upgrades for their SFA licences to gain access to it. Those clubs seasons can surely go on a tad longer (no need to have non leagues finished before Euros), so when they get back playing in October, their first few games can be cup ties, rattling through the early rounds/prelims, even using midweeks. The prize money and additional sponsorships are huge for these clubs and shouldn’t just be binned.

Agree 100%

The Scottish cup is our major cup competition and all teams should be able to dream.

And earn a few quid as well.

[surreyhibbie]

If we can't do a proper Cup we shouldn't do a Cup at all.

Yup :agree:

[HendoDelivered]

It’s a definite no from me. Those clubs outwith the ‘leagues’ deserve their place, many clubs have spent tens of thousands on ground upgrades for their SFA licences to gain access to it. Those clubs seasons can surely go on a tad longer (no need to have non leagues finished before Euros), so when they get back playing in October, their first few games can be cup ties, rattling through the early rounds/prelims, even using midweeks. The prize money and additional sponsorships are huge for these clubs and shouldn’t just be binned.

This. SFA having a shocker.

[marinello59]

If we can't do a proper Cup we shouldn't do a Cup at all.

:agree:
This proposed competition wouldn’t be the Scottish Cup.

[O'Rourke3]

I think it was Ian Blair on Sportsound. There's consultation going on around what the competition will be next year. 52 teams was one of the options. While he didnt mention, or I wasnt listening, commercial considerations I think most teams in the early rounds are unable to start and the competition usually starts around now. All games wil be played to a finish I think and while it wont be ideal a 2021 cup will happen. I hope we defend the trophy.

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[Iain G]

I would be looking at ditching the league cup for next year instead of reducing our primary cup competition.

Never really sure why we need two cup competitions anymore anyway?

[Dashing Bob S]

Another blow for the game. First Hearts are ‘expelled’ from the Big League merely for finishing bottom now they’ll probably boycott the big cup cause it’s now too wee for them.

Looks like we’re done regarding the maroon pound

[Eyrie]

I would be looking at ditching the league cup for next year instead of reducing our primary cup competition.

Never really sure why we need two cup competitions anymore anyway?

It gives clubs other than Celtc two chances to win a trophy instead of one - see 1972, 1991 and 2007.

I don't see why the Scottish Cup has to be reduced to 52 teams. Just play one extra earlier round and most of the 112 clubs would be able to take part.

[jgl07]

I would be looking at ditching the league cup for next year instead of reducing our primary cup competition.

Never really sure why we need two cup competitions anymore anyway?
Why not ditch both cup competitions? That would give the likes of Hibs zero chance of winning anything.

The next step would presumably be to wind up the whole pointless farce that is Scottish Football?

Hibs haven’t won a Scottish League trophy since 1952 and are very unlikely to win another as long as the ugly sisters are around.

Hibernian have won one Scottish cup since 1902.

[KdyHby]

Having watched Musselburgh Athletic qualify for the Scottish Cup, would be incredibly disappointing should they lose out.

[Ozyhibby]

I have total sympathy for the SFA here. The cup normally starts now and the league is late kicking off. The lower leagues can’t start until October and we have a league Cup (our most lucrative trophy) and two Scottish cups to fit in before the end of May. There is the possibility of a second wave and yet fans are demanding everything be like normal. Sacrifices have to be made by everyone if next season is going to be finished at all. The calendar is absolutely full from October to May. There just isn’t the room to have all these games played.


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[mal]

If we can't do a proper Cup we shouldn't do a Cup at all.

How would you make up for the millions in lost revenue?

[Glory Lurker]

How would you make up for the millions in lost revenue?

Fair enough. You're right.

[ronaldo7]

Having watched Musselburgh Athletic qualify for the Scottish Cup, would be incredibly disappointing should they lose out.

And the effort they've put in trying to get olivebank up to scratch. New flood lights cost a few bob.

[hibbysam]

I have total sympathy for the SFA here. The cup normally starts now and the league is late kicking off. The lower leagues can’t start until October and we have a league Cup (our most lucrative trophy) and two Scottish cups to fit in before the end of May. There is the possibility of a second wave and yet fans are demanding everything be like normal. Sacrifices have to be made by everyone if next season is going to be finished at all. The calendar is absolutely full from October to May. There just isn’t the room to have all these games played.


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The league cup isn’t more lucrative than the Scottish cup. The non leagues also don’t need to finish in May, and there leagues haven’t had fixtures set up yet, so could quite conceivably run 3/4/5 rounds in the Scottish cup week after week when they start back in October to get to the 4th round which would then run as normal from January-May.

Hibs have no more right than Preston Athletic to be in the Scottish cup. If clubs are excluded then it makes a farce of it. All or nothing as far as I’m concerned.

[Ozyhibby]

The league cup isn’t more lucrative than the Scottish cup. The non leagues also don’t need to finish in May, and there leagues haven’t had fixtures set up yet, so could quite conceivably run 3/4/5 rounds in the Scottish cup week after week when they start back in October to get to the 4th round which would then run as normal from January-May.

Hibs have no more right than Preston Athletic to be in the Scottish cup. If clubs are excluded then it makes a farce of it. All or nothing as far as I’m concerned.

The league cup is a lot more lucrative for the clubs than the Scottish cup. The prize money is a lot higher.


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[hibbysam]

The league cup is a lot more lucrative for the clubs than the Scottish cup. The prize money is a lot higher.


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Depends what you base that on. Had we beat Ross county in 2016, are you really suggesting that hibs would have made more from the league cup than the Scottish cup? Crowds are generally far higher, tv deal is worth far more id expect, European football for the winner. I don’t even think they announce the prize money but I’d be mightily surprised if there’s a massive difference.

Also, a lot of the clubs aren’t eligible for the league cup, therefore the prize money for them is far higher.

[Ozyhibby]

Depends what you base that on. Had we beat Ross county in 2016, are you really suggesting that hibs would have made more from the league cup than the Scottish cup? Crowds are generally far higher, tv deal is worth far more id expect, European football for the winner. I don’t even think they announce the prize money but I’d be mightily surprised if there’s a massive difference.

Also, a lot of the clubs aren’t eligible for the league cup, therefore the prize money for them is far higher.

Tv deal doesn’t come into it. That’s included in the prize money. The vast majority of SPFL clubs make more money from the league cup. Most of them would sacrifice the Scottish rather than the league cup, especially in these tough times.


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[hibbysam]

Tv deal doesn’t come into it. That’s included in the prize money. The vast majority of SPFL clubs make more money from the league cup. Most of them would sacrifice the Scottish rather than the league cup, especially in these tough times.


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Any games live on tele the teams get a cut of. Of course it comes into it. Most of the lower leagues only get the chance to play rangers or Celtic away in the Scottish, as they get pumped out the league cup in the groups. The Scottish cup isn’t about the top clubs, it’s about every single club that’s eligible for it, and to cut the majority of them out would be shambolic.