Kit man and other redundancies

[Wilson]

So to summarise -



During the worst health pandemic for a century, and in common with many other clubs, Hibs may or may not make some staff redundant;
If they opt to do so, it may take the form of voluntary or compulsory redundancy;
It’s not known which members of staff, or how many, will be affected;
Tam the kitman (or Mrs Tam) may or may not be happy to take a package, if offered;
certain red top tabloids may or may not spout utter sh*t rather than take a proper journalistic look at what’s actually happening.


Have I missed anything?

We're not allowed to talk about it?

Apart from that it is a decent summary.

[Jones28]

So to summarise -



During the worst health pandemic for a century, and in common with many other clubs, Hibs may or may not make some staff redundant;
If they opt to do so, it may take the form of voluntary or compulsory redundancy;
It’s not known which members of staff, or how many, will be affected;
Tam the kitman (or Mrs Tam) may or may not be happy to take a package, if offered;
certain red top tabloids may or may not spout utter sh*t rather than take a proper journalistic look at what’s actually happening.


Have I missed anything?

I would only take issue with your last point. There’s no doubt they are spouting *****.

[sauzeelegod]

I just can’t believe we’re making 70 people redundant, we operate at a small level of permanent staff and I very much doubt we’d have 70 employees that are now deemed surplus to requirements. For years we’ve streamlined our business and I seriously doubt there are 70 jobs on the line.

There is 76 jobs on the line. My mate’s job is one of them.

[malcolm]

There is 76 jobs on the line. My mate’s job is one of them.

In any situation the number of people in a pool facing potential redundancy may not be the number of posts that are at real threat or the number of roles that are actually lost. Not sure a numbers game helps anyone other than ‘journalists’ looking to hook in readers who want to gloat over other club’s potential problems real or imagined.

I think Hibs can be relied on to do the right thing for the club and will care about its people. Neither are something I imagine followers of hearts could expect from budge from her track record.

The outlook for returning to operating in more normal fashion might now look brighter than it did when this process began so this may help the outcome. However, I doubt that adopting the most optimistic expectation at the start would have been the best approach and even now caution is needed.

[davhibby]

There is 76 jobs on the line. My mate’s job is one of them.

Yes but the number of jobs that will actually be going will be nothing even close to that. We’d have no staff beyond players and management

[Alan62]

What is incredible in this difficult situation is that the club is being pilloried for following the correct legal procedure. While it has become received wisdom on BBC Scotland Jokesound that Hibernian has cut its academy and paid off lots of staff, in reality all that's happening is that a consultation process is underway. The results of that consultation are not yet known but ANYBODY who has had any experience of managing a business knows that in times of great hardship, difficult decisions have to be made. It isn't personal, it's business. If some posts have to be cut from the staff in order to streamline the organisation to fit the level of income then that's what will have to happen. This will be the case at every club, not just Hibs.

[Keith_M]

That kit man can assist in the striker becoming so comfortable he will go out and make us money.


Or we could just buy a bottle of this stuff.


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[Brightside]

There is 76 jobs on the line. My mate’s job is one of them.

There isnt 76 jobs on the line. 76 positions may be under consultation. No one outside of the Hibernian directors know what they want the numbers to be.

[Hibs07p]

I personally think that we are a club that has been fiscally responsible for a good number of years, and will not be carrying an over compliment of personnel. In saying that, RG has commented on the way forward at this time, is to prioritise towards a successful first team to ensure the club has the best possible chance of coming out of this pandemic in the best financial position. I would see that any cuts would possibly come from the youth teams / coaching, although I'm sure all positions are being looked at. I trust Hibs to look after it's people in the best possible way with no compulsary redundancies. Any positions already lost through contracts expiring, or through voluntary measures, will be replaced by the likes of Dazza and sir David stepping up to help with development when required, possibly Lewis and Paul starting to cut their teeth with the youth teams. I think any other lost positions will be absorbed within the organisation. I don't have any inside info, but that is the outcome I would expect to see from any responsible community minded club that is already run on a great fiscal policy, ably supported by great ST sales, HSL, merchandise sales and a great set of fans.

I'm hoping that we are going to be releasing "good news" regarding the outcome of the consultation period on the back of the SFA telling Partick of Midlothian to GTF, but like most of my predictions, they are probably way off the mark.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[The 90+2]

Care to explain in a bit more detail:confused:

What’s there to explain? Hardly know the guy and I’m still baffled as to why he bought the club but just blindly trust everything he does is correct and don’t ever question anything?

[CropleyWasGod]

What’s there to explain? Hardly know the guy and I’m still baffled as to why he bought the club but just blindly trust everything he does is correct and don’t ever question anything?

Not sure why you are baffled. He's a business man who likes football. He wants to make money in an industry that he likes.

[Keith_M]

What’s there to explain? Hardly know the guy and I’m still baffled as to why he bought the club but just blindly trust everything he does is correct and don’t ever question anything?


OK you're suspicious of RG's motives for buying Hibs. You've made that clear before and are perfectly entitled to that view.

However, this is a discussion about a consultation on potential job losses in an unprecedented situation, something which none of us are yet party to the details.

So, what's the connection between that and your assertion about some people having 'blind faith in RG'?

[Kato]

What’s there to explain? Hardly know the guy and I’m still baffled as to why he bought the club but just blindly trust everything he does is correct and don’t ever question anything?Question the Daily Record as much as you do the owner and you'll strike a balance.

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[The 90+2]

OK you're suspicious of RG's motives for buying Hibs. You've made that clear before and are perfectly entitled to that view.

However, this is a discussion about a consultation on potential job losses in an unprecedented situation, something which none of us are yet party to the details.

So, what's the connection between that and your assertion about some people having 'blind faith in RG'?

I don’t have blind faith in the guy. It’s a reply ive made to saying they trust the club to do the best thing possible and make the correct decisions when it’s based on blind faith. I would hope that everything is done with the best intentions of the club and the staff but I certainly wouldn’t just assume it.

[The 90+2]

Question the Daily Record as much as you do the owner and you'll strike a balance.

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I very rarely question the owner.

[The 90+2]

Not sure why you are baffled. He's a business man who likes football. He wants to make money in an industry that he likes.

Not many folk make money out a football club in Scotland though. He’s no connection to the club and has been here for about a year yet we just have to willingly accept hes every correct intention for us as a football club if that includes making redundant servants of the club for over 20 years then so bet it? Petrie and Sir Tom had my trust for various reasons new owner still has to get there.

[Keith_M]

I don’t have blind faith in the guy. It’s a reply ive made to saying they trust the club to do the best thing possible and make the correct decisions when it’s based on blind faith. I would hope that everything is done with the best intentions of the club and the staff but I certainly wouldn’t just assume it.


OK, fair enough.

Just out of interest, though. If you were in charge of the club just now, how would you handle the current situation regarding the massive fall in income and the people that are employed by the club that no longer have a role to perform?

[The 90+2]

OK, fair enough.

Just out of interest, though. If you were in charge of the club just now, how would you handle the current situation regarding the massive fall in income and the people that are employed by the club that no longer have a role to perform?

I would keep the heartbeat of the club 100%. The little guys matter a lot. I’m not even saying I agree/disagree with Ron Gordon either, I just think it’s dangerous having complete faith in someone who’s been a year to do whatever he wants and question nothing.

[Keith_M]

I would keep the heartbeat of the club 100%. The little guys matter a lot. I’m not even saying I agree/disagree with Ron Gordon either, I just think it’s dangerous having complete faith in someone who’s been a year to do whatever he wants and question nothing.


Questioning is always a good thing, though I'm maybe not as worried about RG's intentions as you are. We'll only really know in the fullness of time.


Personally, I just hope that not too many people lose their jobs. It must be a nightmare not knowing one way or the other.


I think I'll give this thread a miss until we know a bit more.

[The 90+2]

Questioning is always a good thing, though I'm maybe not as worried about RG's intentions as you are. We'll only really know in the fullness of time.


Personally, I just hope that not too many people lose their jobs. It must be a nightmare not knowing one way or the other.


I think I'll give this thread a miss until we know a bit more.

Cool 👍

I’m not intentionally trying to act awkward either, I know it’s probably coming across that way.

[Lago]

What’s there to explain? Hardly know the guy and I’m still baffled as to why he bought the club but just blindly trust everything he does is correct and don’t ever question anything?
It would seem to me that for some reason you just don't like the guy.

[The 90+2]

It would seem to me that for some reason you just don't like the guy.

No reason to dislike him tbh. I don’t blindly back home though.

[B.H.F.C]

No reason to dislike him tbh. I don’t blindly back home though.

I don’t think anybody does. But so far he’s cleared our debt and there would have been some pretty exciting off the pitch stuff going on had it not been for COVID.

Now he appears to be focussing everything on putting a team on the pitch which, for years, is what everyone has wanted.

I don’t think he’s done too much so far to make me not want to trust his judgement.

[Lago]

As the Country slowly moves out of lock down & the furlough scheme comes to an end, many, many people in various industries will undoubtedly lose their jobs, what I find strangle is the perception that football clubs, should some how be immune & effectively treated as special cases. Football is now most certainly a business & has to operate within business rules otherwise clubs will disappear, Bury, Wigan.

[The 90+2]

I don’t think anybody does. But so far he’s cleared our debt and there would have been some pretty exciting off the pitch stuff going on had it not been for COVID.

Now he appears to be focussing everything on putting a team on the pitch which, for years, is what everyone has wanted.

I don’t think he’s done too much so far to make me not want to trust his judgement.

Fair enough. And he hasn’t done much for me not to trust him or his judgement either, I won’t just accept it blindly though.

[cammy1969]

Fair enough. And he hasn’t done much for me not to trust him or his judgement either, I won’t just accept it blindly though.

Out of interest, why would someone who has invested millions on the club not have the clubs best interests at heart while making decisions at this time.


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[The 90+2]

Out of interest, why would someone who has invested millions on the club not have the clubs best interests at heart while making decisions at this time.


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I didn’t say otherwise.

[sauzeelegod]

There isnt 76 jobs on the line. 76 positions may be under consultation. No one outside of the Hibernian directors know what they want the numbers to be.

Yes there is.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes there is.

Which jobs are they?

[davhibby]

Yes there is.

Clearly you’re just being awkward now and not reading what’s been said

[superfurryhibby]

Yes there is.

No there isn’t......see how this kind of insight goes?

[sauzeelegod]

No there isn’t......see how this kind of insight goes?

Ok fair enough.

[sauzeelegod]

Clearly you’re just being awkward now and not reading what’s been said

I’m literally telling you what is actually happening, but ok, I’ll leave it.

[CropleyWasGod]

I’m literally telling you what is actually happening, but ok, I’ll leave it.

Which jobs are they?

[Peevemor]

Which jobs are they?If there are 76 it's the entire non playing staff.

[CropleyWasGod]

If there are 76 it's the entire non playing staff.

...which would include the Board 🤔

[Peevemor]

...which would include the Board [emoji848]Plus half the playing/coaching staff.

[hibbysam]

If there are 76 it's the entire non playing staff.

David Gray running the ticket office, Martin Boyle doing reception at ER, Porteous has been doing his physio courses.

[davhibby]

I’m literally telling you what is actually happening, but ok, I’ll leave it.

We won’t be getting rid of anything like 76 staff, which is what you seem to be claiming

[Gerard]

David Gray running the ticket office, Martin Boyle doing reception at ER, Porteous has been doing his physio courses.

Who will clean and look after the football Kit?

[tamig]

Who will clean and look after the football Kit?

I’ve heard big Daz comes in handy for such chores.

[hibbysam]

I’ve heard big Daz comes in handy for such chores.

Captains mum’s job that.

[Gerard]

I’ve heard big Daz comes in handy for such chores.

We are lucky that he has a long contract and is so versitile:wink:

[greenlex]

I’ve heard big Daz comes in handy for such chores.

👏👏👏 I like this. I surely can’t be the only one to actually get the gag?

[tamig]

👏👏👏 I like this. I surely can’t be the only one to actually get the gag?

It was an open goal!

[CropleyWasGod]

It was an open goal!

Clean through, I'd say.

[Peevemor]

[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122] I like this. I surely can’t be the only one to actually get the gag?I was going to follow up with one about having an 'omo on the books but that would be bad.

[Eyrie]

I’ve heard big Daz comes in handy for such chores.

With his background in clothing, I'm not surprised that he's good at his domestos chores.

[The 90+2]

With his background in clothing, I'm not surprised that he's good at his domestos chores.

He’s whiter than white to be fair.

[Brightside]

Yes there is.

No. There isn’t.

[sauzeelegod]

No. There isn’t.

How do you know? I know for a fact. Why would I make it up? See when it actually happens and comes out, I’ll be expecting an apology. I understand now why people can be hesitant about sharing stuff on here.

[Brightside]

How do you know? I know for a fact. Why would I make it up? See when it actually happens and comes out, I’ll be expecting an apology. I understand now why people can be hesitant about sharing stuff on here.

I’ll explain. There are not 76 people going to lose their jobs. That is 100% a fact. I won’t wait for an apology when 76 people do not lose their jobs.

[hibbysam]

How do you know? I know for a fact. Why would I make it up? See when it actually happens and comes out, I’ll be expecting an apology. I understand now why people can be hesitant about sharing stuff on here.

Thanks for your info Leeann. Much appreciated.

[scoopyboy]

How do you know? I know for a fact. Why would I make it up? See when it actually happens and comes out, I’ll be expecting an apology. I understand now why people can be hesitant about sharing stuff on here.

I don't doubt your mate told you his job was at risk, I don't dismiss the idea that 76 employees have received letters saying their jobs are at risk.

What I can tell you is that Hibs will not make 76 people redundant. Why, because we do not have enough employees to do so and be left with a football club.

[CropleyWasGod]

How do you know? I know for a fact. Why would I make it up? See when it actually happens and comes out, I’ll be expecting an apology. I understand now why people can be hesitant about sharing stuff on here.

Again. What jobs are "on the line"?

[B.H.F.C]

How do you know? I know for a fact. Why would I make it up? See when it actually happens and comes out, I’ll be expecting an apology. I understand now why people can be hesitant about sharing stuff on here.

I don’t think you’re understanding that at risk doesn’t equate to made redundant. If we make 76 redundant we have no staff outside of the football staff.

[Fergos]

I don't doubt your mate told you his job was at risk, I don't dismiss the idea that 76 employees have received letters saying their jobs are at risk.

What I can tell you is that Hibs will not make 76 people redundant. Why, because we do not have enough employees to do so and be left with a football club.

Agreed. There will / may be 76 staff potentially at risk who are in the process of consultation.

Hibs will be working to a post pandemic structure and cost base, they may ask for volunteers for redundancy to see if they can meet the new structure without having to make decisions, probably based on a priority list regarding role, not the person.

Like many others Ive been through this a few times and sat on both sides of the table.

As others have mentioned there wont be 76 redundancies from the FT perm staff.

GGTTH

[McD]

I’m literally telling you what is actually happening, but ok, I’ll leave it.


no, you ‘literally’ haven’t told us anything of what is actually happening.

[blackpoolhibs]

no, you ‘literally’ haven’t told us anything of what is actually happening.


:greengrin

[Gloucester Hibs]

Thread title sounds a bit like a lesser known 80’s US TV series, thinking along the lines of Scarecrow and Mrs King??

[green day]

I’m literally telling you what is actually happening, but ok, I’ll leave it.

This is brilliant - tell us exactly whats happening.......at the same time as you can tell us whats happening at the pink wonga dome.........................

[Santa Cruz]

They were digging the boot into Hibs on Off The Ball on Saturday regarding these redundancies. Saying signing three players, one who cost a bit of money the same day as telling loads of people they are loosing their jobs was disrespectful and rubbing their noses in it.

I know someone who was told om Friday they would be made redundant, one of the Academy staff.

I know someone too, the timing did hurt them and was insensitive.

[Lago]

Are we not well through the mandatory consultation period?

[The 90+2]

Are we not well through the mandatory consultation period?

Finished yesterday I think. (If not then I apologise).

[Lago]

Finished yesterday I think. (If not then I apologise).
Thanks for that

[Speedway]

Tam in full Hibs clobber at ER today.

[green day]

Tam in full Hibs clobber at ER today.

Disgraceful - we give him his jotters and insist he comes in wearing club colours.

Someone tell the Daily Record and Off The Ball immediately

[Keith_M]

Hopefully there'll be some announcement from the club soon, to put everybody's mind at rest.

[The 90+2]

Tam in full Hibs clobber at ER today.

Great news 😁

[Fergos]

Disgraceful - we give him his jotters and insist he comes in wearing club colours.

Someone tell the Daily Record and Off The Ball immediately

:top marks

This, I thought Cosgrove was going to have us in front of an Industrial Tribunal the other week with the way he was going on....

GGTTH

[Greenworld]

How do you know? I know for a fact. Why would I make it up? See when it actually happens and comes out, I’ll be expecting an apology. I understand now why people can be hesitant about sharing stuff on here.I know for a fact you don't know for a fact . Things are changing every week sauzled and by that i mean for the better.

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[EastThomasSTboy]

Disgraceful - we give him his jotters and insist he comes in wearing club colours.

Someone tell the Daily Record and Off The Ball immediately.

Morning Hibbies everywhere, some Urgent reviewing needed.

Staff furloughed and numerous Redundancies being looked at. After a few weeks, both the "Kitpersons jobs" are to be made redundant and one of the jobs will not be replaced.
One "kitperson" will still be needed, however this will be a new role and the job description completely rewritten. (Possibly written in a way that makes Tam unlikely to get the new role??).
Cue Newspaper/Social Media and Hibsnet threads re Tam being made Redundant (not the job)........leading to Senior Execs being very unhappy at negativity to Club.
Very, Very recently, Tam is then told to report at East Mains and remove all his/her personal belongings from the Academy.
(Imagine that, just like a scene from some Movie/TV programme, where the long-serving/wronged, employee is told to clear his/her desk and then trudges disconsolately from the building).
Social media and Internet chatter still continues in a negative manner.
Even more recently, Tam is told he is no longer furloughed, and has to report back at East Mains, in a Part-Time Role looking after the Kit (till the Redundancy Review runs its full course) where he is Photographed in his Hibs Clobber.......
and guess what.....Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong. Nothing to see here, move on......blah, blah, blah.

NOW!!!! I am chuffed at Tam being back (even in this newly designated, temporary PT role) however, methinks it might just be a "Cynical" ploy by senior execs to move the story/debate, off the front pages/threads.:wink:

YOU COULDNAE MAKE IT UP!!!

As previously stated,.... it will all come out in the Wash.:flag:

PS. Also learnt from the player(s) that Tam was welcomed back with open arms, and they have plans to buy "Cut-outs" of both him & Joyce and put them in their rightful place on the 1st August.:greengrin:greengrin. Good on the PLAYERS.

[superfurryhibby]

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Morning Hibbies everywhere, some Urgent reviewing needed.

Staff furloughed and numerous Redundancies being looked at. After a few weeks, both the "Kitpersons jobs" are to be made redundant and one of the jobs will not be replaced.
One "kitperson" will still be needed, however this will be a new role and the job description completely rewritten. (Possibly written in a way that makes Tam unlikely to get the new role??).
Cue Newspaper/Social Media and Hibsnet threads re Tam being made Redundant (not the job)........leading to Senior Execs being very unhappy at negativity to Club.
Very, Very recently, Tam is then told to report at East Mains and remove all his/her personal belongings from the Academy.
(Imagine that, just like a scene from some Movie/TV programme, where the long-serving/wronged, employee is told to clear his/her desk and then trudges disconsolately from the building).
Social media and Internet chatter still continues in a negative manner.
Even more recently, Tam is told he is no longer furloughed, and has to report back at East Mains, in a Part-Time Role looking after the Kit (till the Redundancy Review runs its full course) where he is Photographed in his Hibs Clobber.......
and guess what.....Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong. Nothing to see here, move on......blah, blah, blah.

NOW!!!! I am chuffed at Tam being back (even in this newly designated, temporary PT role) however, methinks it might just be a "Cynical" ploy by senior execs to move the story/debate, off the front pages/threads.:wink:

YOU COULDNAE MAKE IT UP!!!

As previously stated,.... it will all come out in the Wash.:flag:

PS. Also learnt from the player(s) that Tam was welcomed back with open arms, and they have plans to buy "Cut-outs" of both him & Joyce and put them in their rightful place on the 1st August.:greengrin:greengrin. Good on the PLAYERS.

I assume that Tam has endorsed you putting this out on here?

I'm not sure that making both kitperson's job redundant , then re-advertising one of them fits in with employment legislation? Why would the club want to do this?

If Tam McCourt is being duped in a "cynical ploy", why on earth would he collude with this?

[Andy74]

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Morning Hibbies everywhere, some Urgent reviewing needed.

Staff furloughed and numerous Redundancies being looked at. After a few weeks, both the "Kitpersons jobs" are to be made redundant and one of the jobs will not be replaced.
One "kitperson" will still be needed, however this will be a new role and the job description completely rewritten. (Possibly written in a way that makes Tam unlikely to get the new role??).
Cue Newspaper/Social Media and Hibsnet threads re Tam being made Redundant (not the job)........leading to Senior Execs being very unhappy at negativity to Club.
Very, Very recently, Tam is then told to report at East Mains and remove all his/her personal belongings from the Academy.
(Imagine that, just like a scene from some Movie/TV programme, where the long-serving/wronged, employee is told to clear his/her desk and then trudges disconsolately from the building).
Social media and Internet chatter still continues in a negative manner.
Even more recently, Tam is told he is no longer furloughed, and has to report back at East Mains, in a Part-Time Role looking after the Kit (till the Redundancy Review runs its full course) where he is Photographed in his Hibs Clobber.......
and guess what.....Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong. Nothing to see here, move on......blah, blah, blah.

NOW!!!! I am chuffed at Tam being back (even in this newly designated, temporary PT role) however, methinks it might just be a "Cynical" ploy by senior execs to move the story/debate, off the front pages/threads.:wink:

YOU COULDNAE MAKE IT UP!!!

As previously stated,.... it will all come out in the Wash.:flag:

PS. Also learnt from the player(s) that Tam was welcomed back with open arms, and they have plans to buy "Cut-outs" of both him & Joyce and put them in their rightful place on the 1st August.:greengrin:greengrin. Good on the PLAYERS.

I don’t think this is really appropriate. Tam isn’t a player and it’s not right to have speculation about what did or didn’t happen like this on here. Does nothing for Tam or for the club.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Morning Hibbies everywhere, some Urgent reviewing needed.

Staff furloughed and numerous Redundancies being looked at. After a few weeks, both the "Kitpersons jobs" are to be made redundant and one of the jobs will not be replaced.
One "kitperson" will still be needed, however this will be a new role and the job description completely rewritten. (Possibly written in a way that makes Tam unlikely to get the new role??).
Cue Newspaper/Social Media and Hibsnet threads re Tam being made Redundant (not the job)........leading to Senior Execs being very unhappy at negativity to Club.
Very, Very recently, Tam is then told to report at East Mains and remove all his/her personal belongings from the Academy.
(Imagine that, just like a scene from some Movie/TV programme, where the long-serving/wronged, employee is told to clear his/her desk and then trudges disconsolately from the building).
Social media and Internet chatter still continues in a negative manner.
Even more recently, Tam is told he is no longer furloughed, and has to report back at East Mains, in a Part-Time Role looking after the Kit (till the Redundancy Review runs its full course) where he is Photographed in his Hibs Clobber.......
and guess what.....Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong. Nothing to see here, move on......blah, blah, blah.

NOW!!!! I am chuffed at Tam being back (even in this newly designated, temporary PT role) however, methinks it might just be a "Cynical" ploy by senior execs to move the story/debate, off the front pages/threads.:wink:

YOU COULDNAE MAKE IT UP!!!

As previously stated,.... it will all come out in the Wash.:flag:

PS. Also learnt from the player(s) that Tam was welcomed back with open arms, and they have plans to buy "Cut-outs" of both him & Joyce and put them in their rightful place on the 1st August.:greengrin:greengrin. Good on the PLAYERS.

That didn't happen on here , did it?

[Heisenberg]

In what possible way could the job description of “kitperson” be completely rewritten in order to ensure Tam McCourt is no longer capable of completing the role? I’m genuinely lost with that bit.

[Keith_M]

Now that we've reached 10,500 STs, the club should keep both Kitperson's jobs.


Then we can all move on to the next 'criticise the club' topic.

[hibbysam]

In what possible way could the job description of “kitperson” be completely rewritten in order to ensure Tam McCourt is no longer capable of completing the role? I’m genuinely lost with that bit.

It’s mental. Most jobs will be rewritten and probably include 2/3 roles into one and then require an interview for the new post. I know that’s what’s happening with other roles in the club, but absolutely no clue how the kit man job can be made in such a way that it doesn’t suit TMcC! Folk just making things up for the sake of it.

[Stuart93]

That looks like a lot of pish to be honest.

[superfurryhibby]

East Thomas St boy appears to have loaded guns and ran off home for his tea :confused:

If you come on here with a statement like that, the least you can do is reply to the questions.

[Keith_M]

I heard TM's official title is now 'Director of Team Morale'.


It was apparently quite difficult to get all his responsibilities into his new contract but they definitely have 'supply rubber ducks for team bath' in there.

[HFC93]

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Morning Hibbies everywhere, some Urgent reviewing needed.

Staff furloughed and numerous Redundancies being looked at. After a few weeks, both the "Kitpersons jobs" are to be made redundant and one of the jobs will not be replaced.
One "kitperson" will still be needed, however this will be a new role and the job description completely rewritten. (Possibly written in a way that makes Tam unlikely to get the new role??).
Cue Newspaper/Social Media and Hibsnet threads re Tam being made Redundant (not the job)........leading to Senior Execs being very unhappy at negativity to Club.
Very, Very recently, Tam is then told to report at East Mains and remove all his/her personal belongings from the Academy.
(Imagine that, just like a scene from some Movie/TV programme, where the long-serving/wronged, employee is told to clear his/her desk and then trudges disconsolately from the building).
Social media and Internet chatter still continues in a negative manner.
Even more recently, Tam is told he is no longer furloughed, and has to report back at East Mains, in a Part-Time Role looking after the Kit (till the Redundancy Review runs its full course) where he is Photographed in his Hibs Clobber.......
and guess what.....Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong. Nothing to see here, move on......blah, blah, blah.

NOW!!!! I am chuffed at Tam being back (even in this newly designated, temporary PT role) however, methinks it might just be a "Cynical" ploy by senior execs to move the story/debate, off the front pages/threads.:wink:

YOU COULDNAE MAKE IT UP!!!

As previously stated,.... it will all come out in the Wash.:flag:

PS. Also learnt from the player(s) that Tam was welcomed back with open arms, and they have plans to buy "Cut-outs" of both him & Joyce and put them in their rightful place on the 1st August.:greengrin:greengrin. Good on the PLAYERS.

Did ye aye?

[EastThomasSTboy]

[QUOTE=superfurryhibby;6241760]I assume that Tam has endorsed you putting this out on here?

Your assumption is wrong, sorry.

If u read my post, carefully, i think it can be "gleaned" where my info comes from.

:wink::wink:.

:flag:

my only thought was to try and tell the story from a different viewpoint. If i have offended anyone, or anyone doesnt think i should have posted this, then I am sorry. (it wont happen again).

[Andy74]

[QUOTE=superfurryhibby;6241760]I assume that Tam has endorsed you putting this out on here?

Your assumption is wrong, sorry.

If u read my post, carefully, i think it can be "gleaned" where my info comes from.

:wink::wink:.

:flag:

my only thought was to try and tell the story from a different viewpoint. If i have offended anyone, or anyone doesnt think i should have posted this, then I am sorry. (it wont happen again).

You aren’t telling a story from a different viewpoint. You are suggesting that Hibs aren’t following employment law practices and also that they are deliberately writing role profiles in a way to target individuals for redundancy.

No, you shouldn’t have posted this.

[Brightside]

I don’t think this is really appropriate. Tam isn’t a player and it’s not right to have speculation about what did or didn’t happen like this on here. Does nothing for Tam or for the club.

Its also total nonsense, and written by someone who obv has no idea how redundancy works. :greengrin

[FilipinoHibs]

It’s mental. Most jobs will be rewritten and probably include 2/3 roles into one and then require an interview for the new post. I know that’s what’s happening with other roles in the club, but absolutely no clue how the kit man job can be made in such a way that it doesn’t suit TMcC! Folk just making things up for the sake of it.

Yes that's what happened at my son's work. He is now doing 1.5 person's jobs for his old salary.

We had 76 employees and 35 admin staff on last accounts. Think it is now 70 employees pre review after some redundancies - May etc. Everybody apart from the players will have their jobs under review with a new set of jobs to apply for which are less than the jobs under review.

[sleeping giant]

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Morning Hibbies everywhere, some Urgent reviewing needed.

Staff furloughed and numerous Redundancies being looked at. After a few weeks, both the "Kitpersons jobs" are to be made redundant and one of the jobs will not be replaced.
One "kitperson" will still be needed, however this will be a new role and the job description completely rewritten. (Possibly written in a way that makes Tam unlikely to get the new role??).
Cue Newspaper/Social Media and Hibsnet threads re Tam being made Redundant (not the job)........leading to Senior Execs being very unhappy at negativity to Club.
Very, Very recently, Tam is then told to report at East Mains and remove all his/her personal belongings from the Academy.
(Imagine that, just like a scene from some Movie/TV programme, where the long-serving/wronged, employee is told to clear his/her desk and then trudges disconsolately from the building).
Social media and Internet chatter still continues in a negative manner.
Even more recently, Tam is told he is no longer furloughed, and has to report back at East Mains, in a Part-Time Role looking after the Kit (till the Redundancy Review runs its full course) where he is Photographed in his Hibs Clobber.......
and guess what.....Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong. Nothing to see here, move on......blah, blah, blah.

NOW!!!! I am chuffed at Tam being back (even in this newly designated, temporary PT role) however, methinks it might just be a "Cynical" ploy by senior execs to move the story/debate, off the front pages/threads.:wink:

YOU COULDNAE MAKE IT UP!!!

As previously stated,.... it will all come out in the Wash.:flag:

PS. Also learnt from the player(s) that Tam was welcomed back with open arms, and they have plans to buy "Cut-outs" of both him & Joyce and put them in their rightful place on the 1st August.:greengrin:greengrin. Good on the PLAYERS.


What a load of utter bollox :greengrin:
Deary deary me.

[superfurryhibby]

[QUOTE=EastThomasSTboy;6241787]

You aren’t telling a story from a different viewpoint. You are suggesting that Hibs aren’t following employment law practices and also that they are deliberately writing role profiles in a way to target individuals for redundancy.

No, you shouldn’t have posted this.

For clarity, the quote from Andy74 is from East Thomas St Boy and refers to my question to him.

[The 90+2]

Talk about belittling posts.

[lucky]

Why is everyone in the know on this subject new members or have only posted a few times?

[EastThomasSTboy]

I'm not sure that making both kitperson's job redundant , then re-advertising one of them fits in with employment legislation? Why would the club want to do this?

If Tam McCourt is being duped in a "cynical ploy", why on earth would he collude with this?.


Hi there, finally realised what your last post referred to, so have quoted the parts above. Will try my best to answer your question.

As another poster has just stated, I do NOT have any legal background on Redundancy Law, just enough to know that it is fairly common to combine jobs and make other positions redundant completely.
I dont think i said anything about Tam being duped or him colluding with it?. If he has/had been told he was now unfurloughed and had to go back to work i dont think thats him colluding with it...he is just doing his job.

If you read my post again, the part in brackets where i said he might not fit with the new criteria of the job description, that is purely my own thoughts on what may occur (in future), and doesnt relate to anything i have been told, however it is another avenue that has been used by other employers before (Not used by HIBERNIAN FC and I am not inferring they are!!). I am trying to read between the lines, whilst trying to give you some info. (This is a fans Forum...and i am most definitely a Hibby)

If you think it is all utter tosh, then you and others are equally entitled to your opinions.

"Cropley Was God" asked if there were "Happy Clappers" etc, responding to the photo of Tam in his Hibs Clobber. ?

So between 1024 pm last night when that Post said everything was "changing for the better" till I posted this morning....it had all gone quiet,...so my thoughts were that the Picture of Tam back at EAST Mains appeared to have the desired effect.

I was trying to get the debate back on track...... but just realised i might have derailed it further.:confused::confused:..... wont happen again.

[flash]

Don't agree with parts of the guy's post but there are several factually correct points in it.

[CapitalGreen]

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So between 1024 pm last night when that Post said everything was "changing for the better" till I posted this morning....it had all gone quiet,...so my thoughts were that the Picture of Tam back at EAST Mains appeared to have the desired effect.

I was trying to get the debate back on track...... but just realised i might have derailed it further.:confused::confused:..... wont happen again.

Between 10.24pm and the morning I’d imagine most people are in their beds asleep.

[EastThomasSTboy]

Why is everyone in the know on this subject new members or have only posted a few times?

Hi Lucky,

You are spot on, i do have a low post count. Nothing sinister there as i normally dont post anything considered "controversial". I just pass on info to fellow fans/Collectors

Been supporting Hibs and attending matches for almost 59 years.

My Profile name tells you that i was brought up round the corner from ER.

I do have the Clubs interests at heart, but not when i consider it to be acting unfairly.

As said a few posts ago, it wont be happening again.:rolleyes:

[Since452]

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Morning Hibbies everywhere, some Urgent reviewing needed.

Staff furloughed and numerous Redundancies being looked at. After a few weeks, both the "Kitpersons jobs" are to be made redundant and one of the jobs will not be replaced.
One "kitperson" will still be needed, however this will be a new role and the job description completely rewritten. (Possibly written in a way that makes Tam unlikely to get the new role??).
Cue Newspaper/Social Media and Hibsnet threads re Tam being made Redundant (not the job)........leading to Senior Execs being very unhappy at negativity to Club.
Very, Very recently, Tam is then told to report at East Mains and remove all his/her personal belongings from the Academy.
(Imagine that, just like a scene from some Movie/TV programme, where the long-serving/wronged, employee is told to clear his/her desk and then trudges disconsolately from the building).
Social media and Internet chatter still continues in a negative manner.
Even more recently, Tam is told he is no longer furloughed, and has to report back at East Mains, in a Part-Time Role looking after the Kit (till the Redundancy Review runs its full course) where he is Photographed in his Hibs Clobber.......
and guess what.....Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong. Nothing to see here, move on......blah, blah, blah.

NOW!!!! I am chuffed at Tam being back (even in this newly designated, temporary PT role) however, methinks it might just be a "Cynical" ploy by senior execs to move the story/debate, off the front pages/threads.:wink:

YOU COULDNAE MAKE IT UP!!!

As previously stated,.... it will all come out in the Wash.:flag:

PS. Also learnt from the player(s) that Tam was welcomed back with open arms, and they have plans to buy "Cut-outs" of both him & Joyce and put them in their rightful place on the 1st August.:greengrin:greengrin. Good on the PLAYERS.

I almost admire the effort you've put in. How arbitration going?

[EastThomasSTboy]

Between 10.24pm and the morning I’d imagine most people are in their beds asleep.

That is a very fair point, cant argue with any of that.:greengrin:greengrin.

I had a bit of a sleepless night, so might have been a bit grumpy when i woke up.

[CMurdoch]

I don’t think this is really appropriate. Tam isn’t a player and it’s not right to have speculation about what did or didn’t happen like this on here. Does nothing for Tam or for the club.

I think your post is spot on. Tam is the everyman of the club.
The players sign up to their lives being picked apart and discussed by all and sundry but not the kitman and other non exec staff. As such we need to be respectful of their lives and rights to privacy.
If the club/owner eventually announce a decision we are not happy with we will pile in and show our support but now is not that time.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Hi there, finally realised what your last post referred to, so have quoted the parts above. Will try my best to answer your question.

As another poster has just stated, I do NOT have any legal background on Redundancy Law, just enough to know that it is fairly common to combine jobs and make other positions redundant completely.
I dont think i said anything about Tam being duped or him colluding with it?. If he has/had been told he was now unfurloughed and had to go back to work i dont think thats him colluding with it...he is just doing his job.

If you read my post again, the part in brackets where i said he might not fit with the new criteria of the job description, that is purely my own thoughts on what may occur (in future), and doesnt relate to anything i have been told, however it is another avenue that has been used by other employers before (Not used by HIBERNIAN FC and I am not inferring they are!!). I am trying to read between the lines, whilst trying to give you some info. (This is a fans Forum...and i am most definitely a Hibby)

If you think it is all utter tosh, then you and others are equally entitled to your opinions.

"Cropley Was God" asked if there were "Happy Clappers" etc, responding to the photo of Tam in his Hibs Clobber. ?

So between 1024 pm last night when that Post said everything was "changing for the better" till I posted this morning....it had all gone quiet,...so my thoughts were that the Picture of Tam back at EAST Mains appeared to have the desired effect.

I was trying to get the debate back on track...... but just realised i might have derailed it further.:confused::confused:..... wont happen again.


Your post said "Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong"

I asked if that was the case. In reviewing the thread, it isn't. No-one "piled in".

The essence of your post may or may not be true, but you can't embroider it with stuff that isn't; that detracts from the main point you're trying to make.

[Keith_M]

So, just to clarify, is the latest 'in the know' post saying that Tam McCourt is going to be kept on after all?


(please start any replies with either a Yes or a No, then feel free to go off topic as much as you like :-) )

[sleeping giant]

Why is everyone in the know on this subject new members or have only posted a few times?

We all know the answer to this .

[Gerard]

Every football club has jobs that need to be done.
The football kit needs to be clean and in good repair
If Tam does not provide that service ,it will need to be done by somebody else.
Will that be the players?
Or perhaps the non executive directors?
Will it be outsourced to a company that is capable of providing that service ?
If the clubs financial position requires this service to be a free one then perhaps options 1 and 2 are possible but is this practical?
Option 3 could be an option to save money if options 1 and 2 are not practical. In the long term it could be a lot more expensive.

The club is not immune to the financial climate we are living in
and must act with caution to ensure its future.
There are many people who will glady give their time to help our club.
There are jobs that can be done by volunteers, perhaps cleaning of football and jobs that require minor maintenance of the football ground and academy being examples.
I think the care of football kit is probably best done in-house by an employee.
the marketing of the club and sale of tickets and merchandise etc also needs to be done by salaried positions to maximise income.
I am sure that we will soon find out the route that our club intends to take regarding how the club is run and who does the jobs that need done.

[Lago]

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Morning Hibbies everywhere, some Urgent reviewing needed.

Staff furloughed and numerous Redundancies being looked at. After a few weeks, both the "Kitpersons jobs" are to be made redundant and one of the jobs will not be replaced.
One "kitperson" will still be needed, however this will be a new role and the job description completely rewritten. (Possibly written in a way that makes Tam unlikely to get the new role??).
Cue Newspaper/Social Media and Hibsnet threads re Tam being made Redundant (not the job)........leading to Senior Execs being very unhappy at negativity to Club.
Very, Very recently, Tam is then told to report at East Mains and remove all his/her personal belongings from the Academy.
(Imagine that, just like a scene from some Movie/TV programme, where the long-serving/wronged, employee is told to clear his/her desk and then trudges disconsolately from the building).
Social media and Internet chatter still continues in a negative manner.
Even more recently, Tam is told he is no longer furloughed, and has to report back at East Mains, in a Part-Time Role looking after the Kit (till the Redundancy Review runs its full course) where he is Photographed in his Hibs Clobber.......
and guess what.....Cue all the Happy Clapper Responses, who pile in saying the Sun, Record, and Off the Ball have all got it wrong. Nothing to see here, move on......blah, blah, blah.

NOW!!!! I am chuffed at Tam being back (even in this newly designated, temporary PT role) however, methinks it might just be a "Cynical" ploy by senior execs to move the story/debate, off the front pages/threads.:wink:

YOU COULDNAE MAKE IT UP!!!

As previously stated,.... it will all come out in the Wash.:flag:

PS. Also learnt from the player(s) that Tam was welcomed back with open arms, and they have plans to buy "Cut-outs" of both him & Joyce and put them in their rightful place on the 1st August.:greengrin:greengrin. Good on the PLAYERS.

This is a totally irresponsible post, whether true or not. If true I would hope the club would find the leaker & follow through with a formal gross misconduct charge.

[Peevemor]

This is a totally irresponsible post, whether true or not. If true I would hope the club would find the leaker & follow through with a formal gross misconduct charge.

You are joking aren't you?

Tam tells someone in his family what's happening. That person then tells their best mate. The best mate tells his brother who posts it on here.

I'm not saying that's what's happened but it's possible. Who could be hit with a "formal gross misconduct charge"?

[Scouse Hibee]

So to summarise, we still don’t really know what is happening/happened and we might never know.

Right, who’s next to provide “info”.............................

[Stuart93]

So to summarise, we still don’t really know what is happening/happened and we might never know.

Right, who’s next to provide “info”.............................

Whoever’s next probably hasn’t set up their account yet

[Hibs90]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/449431bb6c45ed5341ad96590c48d0f0/tenor.gif?itemid=11168012

[blackpoolhibs]

What a stench.

[weecounty hibby]

I can't believe this thread is still open!! Some absolute bull**** being posted and no one knows what is happening. Sad day when anyone loses their job but the speculation and it seems downright made up rubbish is really not helping

[Iggy Pope]

I almost admire the effort you've put in. How arbitration going?

I don’t know much about Tam McCourt but I do know you are several thousands of miles off the mark with this. ETSB is a Hibby all right. Can’t say I agree with him posting as he did but his credentials are not in doubt.

[Iggy Pope]

This is a totally irresponsible post, whether true or not. If true I would hope the club would find the leaker & follow through with a formal gross misconduct charge.

Charge a player (for instance) with gross misconduct? For sharing a story about the ****ing Kitman? Away.

[Brightside]

Charge a player (for instance) with gross misconduct? For sharing a story about the ****ing Kitman? Away.

I dont think it will happen but it is illegal to talk about the consultation until it completes. Anyone who has been through the process on either side knows this. As i said when this thread kicked off it shouldnt even been discussed on here. I dont think there is an RBS forum out there with loads of their customers guessing who is being made redundant this week.

[Iggy Pope]

East Thomas St boy appears to have loaded guns and ran off home for his tea :confused:

If you come on here with a statement like that, the least you can do is reply to the questions.

Weller reference, love it. ****ing Proclaimers could never come up with a line like that.

[Andy74]

Charge a player (for instance) with gross misconduct? For sharing a story about the ****ing Kitman? Away.

If a Hibs player was found to have instigated this sort of information, which included speculation that the club were deliberately writing a role profile in a way to target an individual for exit then they would certainly be in for a disciplinary process.

[Bostonhibby]

So to summarise, we still don’t really know what is happening/happened and we might never know.

Right, who’s next to provide “info”.............................Can't even say that "man in pub" has given me all the inside info on this as I went round in good faith and no one was there.

Four pints later and not a whisper about goings on at Easter road. It's almost as if we're running a proper consultation process.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

[EastThomasSTboy]

If a Hibs player was found to have instigated this sort of information, which included speculation that the club were deliberately writing a role profile in a way to target an individual for exit then they would certainly be in for a disciplinary process..


Please, please, read my previous post(s).

A player has not instigated anything of the sort!!!, I have already said that it is my OWN opinion that a role profile COULD be written this way!!.

My opinion is based on having been "raging" since i heard about a certain Club employee having to remove all their personal possessions from their place of Work!!! (Put yourself in their position and have a good think about it!!).

What kind of message did this send out!! not only to that Club Employee, but to other employees still suffering from Fear of Redundancy. What was the point of it!!!

I think someone high up has made a monumental Error of Judgement handling it this way!!! (Whilst the Redundancy Process is apparently still ongoing!!!..Again....Just my OWN opinion!!).

On reflection....and bearing in mind i am getting hammered for talking about this.... it may well be that another "High Up" person is now trying to make amends for this Monumental Error, by having said Club Employee recalled from Furlough, into this PT Position. (Again MY own Opinion).

So, Someone in our Club might now be acting honourably,,,,and Kudos to them if they are....(still my own opinion) but I honestly dont know what their objective here is!! or what someones end game is.

And I am slightly less raging:wink::wink:. This is still a Fans Forum and believe it or not i am a lifelong Hibby.

GGTTH.

Signing off now . Going for my tea.

[Andy74]

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Please, please, read my previous post(s).

A player has not instigated anything of the sort!!!, I have already said that it is my OWN opinion that a role profile COULD be written this way!!.

My opinion is based on having been "raging" since i heard about a certain Club employee having to remove all their personal possessions from their place of Work!!! (Put yourself in their position and have a good think about it!!).

What kind of message did this send out!! not only to that Club Employee, but to other employees still suffering from Fear of Redundancy. What was the point of it!!!

I think someone high up has made a monumental Error of Judgement handling it this way!!! (Whilst the Redundancy Process is apparently still ongoing!!!..Again....Just my OWN opinion!!).

On reflection....and bearing in mind i am getting hammered for talking about this.... it may well be that another "High Up" person is now trying to make amends for this Monumental Error, by having said Club Employee recalled from Furlough, into this PT Position. (Again MY own Opinion).

So, Someone in our Club might now be acting honourably,,,,and Kudos to them if they are....(still my own opinion) but I honestly dont know what their objective here is!! or what someones end game is.

And I am slightly less raging:wink::wink:. This is still a Fans Forum and believe it or not i am a lifelong Hibby.

GGTTH.

Signing off now . Going for my tea.

I wasn’t replying to you. It was about what would happen if a player was found to be passing on info about this.

Some things I don’t think we really get to have an opinion on, especially when it amounts to making accusations about behaviour of the club and it’s employees. I think talking about the employment status of non playing and coaching staff in the way you have is one of those times that your opinion is best kept unsaid. I think what you are also expressing are statements about things you are saying have happened rather than opinion.

[Iggy Pope]

I dont think it will happen but it is illegal to talk about the consultation until it completes. Anyone who has been through the process on either side knows this. As i said when this thread kicked off it shouldnt even been discussed on here. I dont think there is an RBS forum out there with loads of their customers guessing who is being made redundant this week.

In 2008 or thereabouts such a forum for those crooked *******s would only have been a good thing.
Lots of legals get discussed on this forum these days by so many tremendously well informed Hibbies. You could be mistaken for thinking it was a football discussion platform.

[tamig]

Tam in full Hibs clobber at ER today.

Thats the old Billy Brown tactic. Doesn’t mean a thing 😀

[Lago]

Charge a player (for instance) with gross misconduct? For sharing a story about the ****ing Kitman? Away.
Really think you'll find it classified as Company confidential. The guy is obviously an attention seeker.

[Brightside]

In 2008 or thereabouts such a forum for those crooked *******s would only have been a good thing.
Lots of legals get discussed on this forum these days by so many tremendously well informed Hibbies. You could be mistaken for thinking it was a football discussion platform.

Betty the tea lady at RBS wasn’t crooked.

[offshorehibby]

Betty the tea lady at RBS wasn’t crooked.

You mean Nat West :greengrin

[hibbysam]

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Please, please, read my previous post(s).

A player has not instigated anything of the sort!!!, I have already said that it is my OWN opinion that a role profile COULD be written this way!!.

My opinion is based on having been "raging" since i heard about a certain Club employee having to remove all their personal possessions from their place of Work!!! (Put yourself in their position and have a good think about it!!).

What kind of message did this send out!! not only to that Club Employee, but to other employees still suffering from Fear of Redundancy. What was the point of it!!!

I think someone high up has made a monumental Error of Judgement handling it this way!!! (Whilst the Redundancy Process is apparently still ongoing!!!..Again....Just my OWN opinion!!).

On reflection....and bearing in mind i am getting hammered for talking about this.... it may well be that another "High Up" person is now trying to make amends for this Monumental Error, by having said Club Employee recalled from Furlough, into this PT Position. (Again MY own Opinion).

So, Someone in our Club might now be acting honourably,,,,and Kudos to them if they are....(still my own opinion) but I honestly dont know what their objective here is!! or what someones end game is.

And I am slightly less raging:wink::wink:. This is still a Fans Forum and believe it or not i am a lifelong Hibby.

GGTTH.

Signing off now . Going for my tea.

Or... we are now at a point where we need our kit man (players were cleaning their own kit for training etc but games will be different I’d imagine), so we have brought him back from furlough at the latest point that he was needed, thus saving the club some money.

There’s absolutely no proof that he was told to clean out his locker and remove his belongings, so I’ll take that part with a pinch of salt.

[Heisenberg]

That’s Aberdeen just confirmed players and staff have agreed to cuts that’ll save them £1m.

[Peevemor]

That’s Aberdeen just confirmed players and staff have agreed to cuts that’ll save them £1m.

Will they be criticised by the media for signing new players?

[Stuart93]

If Aberdeen players and staff can then you’d like think ours can too.

Unless they already have.

[blackpoolhibs]

That’s Aberdeen just confirmed players and staff have agreed to cuts that’ll save them £1m.

Aye but what about their kit man?

[bingo70]

Will they be criticised by the media for signing new players?

Think they’ve said they won’t be signing any new players so that’s maybe not a great example 😂

[The 90+2]

Will they be criticised by the media for signing new players?

They aren’t signing anyone after Hayes McIness said and you would think Hayes will be part of the new agreed wage cuts.

[Peevemor]

Think they’ve said they won’t be signing any new players so that’s maybe not a great example ��

They've signed Jonny Hayes who won't be cheap.

Even having deferred his wages for a year that's a cash-flow thing and they'll have to pay him eventually.

They haven't lost anyone of note either, whereas we had/have quite a fe positions to fill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%9321_Aberdeen_F.C._season#Players_in

[Since452]

At least Aberdeen haven't had to sign David Tanner to clean the kits

[Lago]

Can we expect at statement on the consultation process anytime soon?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Please, please, read my previous post(s).

A player has not instigated anything of the sort!!!, I have already said that it is my OWN opinion that a role profile COULD be written this way!!.

My opinion is based on having been "raging" since i heard about a certain Club employee having to remove all their personal possessions from their place of Work!!! (Put yourself in their position and have a good think about it!!).

What kind of message did this send out!! not only to that Club Employee, but to other employees still suffering from Fear of Redundancy. What was the point of it!!!

I think someone high up has made a monumental Error of Judgement handling it this way!!! (Whilst the Redundancy Process is apparently still ongoing!!!..Again....Just my OWN opinion!!).

On reflection....and bearing in mind i am getting hammered for talking about this.... it may well be that another "High Up" person is now trying to make amends for this Monumental Error, by having said Club Employee recalled from Furlough, into this PT Position. (Again MY own Opinion).

So, Someone in our Club might now be acting honourably,,,,and Kudos to them if they are....(still my own opinion) but I honestly dont know what their objective here is!! or what someones end game is.

And I am slightly less raging:wink::wink:. This is still a Fans Forum and believe it or not i am a lifelong Hibby.

GGTTH.

Signing off now . Going for my tea.

Forgive me I didn’t read your previous post. But with respect to this one I’m curious - why the need for the “ongoing debate” title? All open threads are unless they are closed or peter out - maybe that’s where this was/is headed.

I think we’re suffering from 2nd 3rd hand information at best.

Hibs are either following a process or they’re not it’s possible but I’d be surprised if they were handling it in a cack-handed fashion given Amanda’s role until recently in the club art employment law.

Your self-proclaimed “rage” does come across as a bit OTT.
Your capitalisation is interesting too there’s only one other person I know that uses four commas ,,,, as punctuation - or has that become a thing,,,,?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Aye but what about their kit man?


After reinstatement, the toaster is “toast” apparently.

[malcolm]

Forgive me I didn’t read your previous post. But with respect to this one I’m curious - why the need for the “ongoing debate” title? All open threads are unless they are closed or peter out - maybe that’s where this was/is headed.

I think we’re suffering from 2nd 3rd hand information at best.

Hibs are either following a process or they’re not it’s possible but I’d be surprised if they were handling it in a cack-handed fashion given Amanda’s role until recently in the club art employment law.

Your self-proclaimed “rage” does come across as a bit OTT.
Your capitalisation is interesting too there’s only one other person I know that uses four commas ,,,, as punctuation - or has that become a thing,,,,?

Apologies for maybe getting in the way of the petering out demise of this thread which may be the best thing for it :wink:, but it occurs that there must be lots of employers making ‘monumental errors’ by using the flexible furlough provisions to bring folk back on shorter hours to match the reduced workload as they transition the business back to some kind of normality.

Perhaps also some businesses are doing a deep clean, and to ensure that the job is done properly precede this by removal of all employees personal belongings..

I’m only speculating of course, not assuming, but it all sounds normal to me...well some kind of new normal.

[CockneyRebel]

Weller reference, love it. ****ing Proclaimers could never come up with a line like that.


I give you "while the chief puts sunshine on Leith".

[Peevemor]

I give you "while the chief puts sunshine on Leith".

Or even - 'cause even with ones up the back of a bus, there was always the risk of a slap in the puss..."

[CockneyRebel]

Or even - 'cause even with ones up the back of a bus, there was always the risk of a slap in the puss..."



(thought it was "even the ones like the back of a bus")?

If you listen to the albums there are plenty of clever, memorable, witty and "right on the button" lyrics - but each to his own. I have a really broad musical taste but Weller never quite rocked my boat (although plenty of my pals rated him).

Meanwhile ....back to the kitman....any news?

[04Sauzee]

(thought it was "even the ones like the back of a bus")?

If you listen to the albums there are plenty of clever, memorable, witty and "right on the button" lyrics - but each to his own. I have a really broad musical taste but Weller never quite rocked my boat (although plenty of my pals rated him).

Meanwhile ....back to the kitman....any news?
Meanwhileeanwhile back to the kitman

Even with ones up the back ae the bus 🙂

Football is back on Saturday can't f****** wait

[CockneyRebel]

Even with ones up the back ae the bus 🙂

Football is back on Saturday can't f****** wait



With you there bro.

[Bostonhibby]

(thought it was "even the ones like the back of a bus")?

If you listen to the albums there are plenty of clever, memorable, witty and "right on the button" lyrics - but each to his own. I have a really broad musical taste but Weller never quite rocked my boat (although plenty of my pals rated him).

Meanwhile ....back to the kitman....any news?Joyful Kilmarnock Blues, pity it's a home game[emoji6]

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[Peevemor]

(thought it was "even the ones like the back of a bus")?

If you listen to the albums there are plenty of clever, memorable, witty and "right on the button" lyrics - but each to his own. I have a really broad musical taste but Weller never quite rocked my boat (although plenty of my pals rated him).

Meanwhile ....back to the kitman....any news?

I don't know - in my mind it's "even wi' yins up the back ae a bus..."

I don't think it's a clever line - just funny and very Scottish.

"Lulu Selling Tea" (Belfast boy) has some great lyrics -

"The view from beneath my balaclava
The world from four feet off the floor
Must have had its limitations
Without my adult complications
But I can only report what I saw"

[hibee]

I see Joyce Mccourt has now confirmed she has been made redundant, wonder if Tam has to do both of their work now?

[eastterrace]

I see Joyce Mccourt has now confirmed she has been made redundant, wonder if Tam has to do both of their work now?what job did she do .

[Since452]

I see Joyce Mccourt has now confirmed she has been made redundant, wonder if Tam has to do both of their work now?

Fully expect that to be back page news on the Daily Record tomorrow to deflect from a Glasgow club making a **** of it.

[truehibernian]

I think Tam is off sick at the moment (or he was) - hope he's on the mend :agree: top fella and sorry to hear that about Joyce.........makes the best cuppa at Easter Road and a lovely lady :agree:

[hibbysam]

Eddie May has also been given a new job, although I’m not overly sure what that is, or even what he did beforehand.

[Greenworld]

Eddie May has also been given a new job, although I’m not overly sure what that is, or even what he did beforehand.Head of development before . Where did you read that

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[J-C]

I see Joyce Mccourt has now confirmed she has been made redundant, wonder if Tam has to do both of their work now?


what job did she do .


I think Tam is off sick at the moment (or he was) - hope he's on the mend :agree: top fella and sorry to hear that about Joyce.........makes the best cuppa at Easter Road and a lovely lady :agree:


My mate text the other day, he's good friends with them both, Joyce has been paid off, she was doing the kit with Tam this last few years and she signed a confidentiality clause so no stories from her about Hibs. All the kit is seemingly being done by an outside laundry company, probably due to the covid rulings in place.

[hibbysam]

Head of development before . Where did you read that

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Thought it was something like that. Not sure if the new role is on top of that or if it’s a brand new role.

[J-C]

Eddie May has also been given a new job, although I’m not overly sure what that is, or even what he did beforehand.

Possibly due to having fewer development players at ER at the moment, he may be helping out the the full squad during this time.

[Keith_M]

Is anybody else still raging about this?



:fuming:

[hibbysam]

Possibly due to having fewer development players at ER at the moment, he may be helping out the the full squad during this time.

Certainly not helping out, had to interview for a new role.

[Brightside]

Is anybody else still raging about this?



:fuming:

Raging about what?

[KDY Hibs]

Seeing folk redundant is grim, but I'm sure many on here have also been made redundant as a result of the current pandemic. And sadly many more when the furlough finishes.

[Billy Whizz]

Is anybody else still raging about this?



:fuming:

People have lots their jobs

[Keith_M]

Raging about what?


Ehm, hello!!!

Hibs sack Kit man!!!! (Daily Record)

Outrage of the century... apparently.

[Itsnoteasy]

My mate text the other day, he's good friends with them both, Joyce has been paid off, she was doing the kit with Tam this last few years and she signed a confidentiality clause so no stories from her about Hibs. All the kit is seemingly being done by an outside laundry company, probably due to the covid rulings in place.

We don't need 2 members of staff to do the kit.

I remember when Jim Mcafferty was the kitman. He done it himself.

[EI255]

We don't need 2 members of staff to do the kit.

I remember when Jim Mcafferty was the kitman. He done it himself.It's sad anyone has to lose their job but, unfortunately, we don't need two people to look after kit duties. Make the players take their kit hame!

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[Forza Fred]

Seeing folk redundant is grim, but I'm sure many on here have also been made redundant as a result of the current pandemic. And sadly many more when the furlough finishes.

Met Tam but never met Joyce.

Sad for her if she was made redundant and preferred not to go, but as someone who engineered two voluntary redundancies myself......from the same employer...over the years, I know some people are also happy to take the redundancy payment and ride off into the sunset

Personally, I always wondered why two people were listed as being in charge of the kit.

Lift Attendants, Typing Pools, Bus conductors,Etc guess we all know people whose jobs have disappeared in the name of progress.

Still feel sorry for Joyce,or anybody Else who was involuntarily made redundant though.

[NYHibby]

My mate text the other day, he's good friends with them both, Joyce has been paid off, she was doing the kit with Tam this last few years and she signed a confidentiality clause so no stories from her about Hibs. All the kit is seemingly being done by an outside laundry company, probably due to the covid rulings in place.

So I know this is veering in age discrimination, but given Tam’s age and length of time with the club, he must be entitled to 30 weeks of his pre-corona pay as statutory redundancy pay. I find it interesting if there is a cost savings to having an outside company do it while still paying Tam effectively 7 months salary to do nothing.

[J-C]

So I know this is veering in age discrimination, but given Tam’s age and length of time with the club, he must be entitled to 30 weeks of his pre-corona pay as statutory redundancy pay. I find it interesting if there is a cost savings to having an outside company do it while still paying Tam effectively 7 months salary to do nothing.


I would have thought he was on furlough the 1st few months, so the Gov will have paid 80% of his wages, as for the kit cleaning and the future I have zero idea, possibly getting it done by a company is part of the Covid rulings for football to go ahead. Also got to remember Tam wasn't just a kit man, he started off as a groundskeeper so he used to help set up the training pitches, nets, etc, a sort of dogsbody, it was his dream job being a massive Hibby.

[hibbyfraelibby]

So I know this is veering in age discrimination, but given Tam’s age and length of time with the club, he must be entitled to 30 weeks of his pre-corona pay as statutory redundancy pay. I find it interesting if there is a cost savings to having an outside company do it while still paying Tam effectively 7 months salary to do nothing.

Statutory schemes have a financial max of £16,140 irrespective of the muliplier based on service.

[CentreLine]

Raging about what?

I think he may be referring to the press coverage given to Hibs v all the other clubs taking similar prudent financial steps.

[cabbageandribs1875]

apparently some dude from st.mirren has replaced Tam in a newly created role....Football Logistics Coordinator


peter logan, former st.mirren kit man

[CropleyWasGod]

apparently some dude from st.mirren has replaced Tam in a newly created role....Football Logistics Coordinator


peter logan, former st.mirren kit man

Illegitimate half-brother of the McGinns, I believe.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Illegitimate half-brother of the McGinns, I believe.



:greengrin

[18Craig75]

Is Tam no longer about then?

[Oscar T Grouch]

This is a new temporary role. Bit confused as to why a new post and job title are needed if he is just the kit man, you'd assume more duties than the kits? If it is temporary it seems weird the St Mirren guy has taken it, unless it will become permanent later?

[cabbageandribs1875]

This is a new temporary role. Bit confused as to why a new post and job title are needed if he is just the kit man, you'd assume more duties than the kits? If it is temporary it seems weird the St Mirren guy has taken it, unless it will become permanent later?




i saw it on facebook(i know)which in turn was taken from a guy called Cairters Corner on twitter, whenever i've looked for some info on st.mirren in the past this guys handle usually pops up i don't know if he's just a st.mirren fan or officially connected to st.mirren, he does like to slag heartz a lot...:)

[Peevemor]

i saw it on facebook(i know)which in turn was taken from a guy called Cairters Corner on twitter, whenever i've looked for some info on st.mirren in the past this guys handle usually pops up i don't know if he's just a st.mirren fan or officially connected to st.mirren

I doubt he's official - he was merciless when ripping the pish out of Hearts during all the shouting and bawling at the end of last season.

[Oscar T Grouch]

i saw it on facebook(i know)which in turn was taken from a guy called Cairters Corner on twitter, whenever i've looked for some info on st.mirren in the past this guys handle usually pops up i don't know if he's just a st.mirren fan or officially connected to st.mirren

Yeah I saw it last night but it was also tweeted by Hibernian official saying two roles are being filled, cannot remember the other role but it was on the footballing side iirc. Cairters Corner is a decent tweeter who specialised in ripping the urine out of heart after they got relegated.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I doubt he's official - he was merciless when ripping the pish out of Hearts during all the shouting and bawling at the end of last season.



just edited my post before i saw this :greengrin

[weecounty hibby]

Posted this on the Jan transfer thread

Guy I work beside has a laddie who plays for St Mirren youths and the chat is that this guy is a big loss to their whole football structure. Don't know much about him or what he does but that sounds positive.

[Just_Jimmy]

if Hibs made the kit man redundant, they can't just go and hire a new one a few months later. it's the post, not the person. so perhaps explains the new role name. maybe more responsibility for slightly more pay.

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[EI255]

I see Scottish football getting a fair chunk of money from the SG.

Rugby chiefs delighted with it. Derek McInnes of Aberdeen isn't.

Twat!

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[marinello59]

I see Scottish football getting a fair chunk of money from the SG.

Rugby chiefs delighted with it. Derek McInnes of Aberdeen isn't.

Twat!

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What has McInnes said?

[Billy Whizz]

What has McInnes said?
Not a lot
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/55254701

[we are hibs]

Aberdeen seem desperate for income just now and are going oublic with how desperate they are for some form of income. Are they toiling?

[EI255]

Not a lot
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/55254701Everyone else happy bar DM.

He's a twat.

End of.

Can Aberdeen not just wait. Like everyone else?!!!!!!!!!!!

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[EI255]

Aberdeen seem desperate for income just now and are going oublic with how desperate they are for some form of income. Are they toiling?They clearly are.

They spent £30k (allegedly) on making their old pit covid safe.

You have to think they are now desperate to recoup that, and more.

If only their players didn't misbehave a few months ago, maybe Grampian would have been in a nicer teir [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[Iggy Pope]

I doubt he's official - he was merciless when ripping the pish out of Hearts during all the shouting and bawling at the end of last season.

He seems to do a line in selling shirts, mugs, memorabilia. His relentless baiting of Hearts on Twitter all summer was truly remarkable.

[Jones28]

Aberdeen seem desperate for income just now and are going oublic with how desperate they are for some form of income. Are they toiling?

They won’t be, lots of very very rich backers.

[J-C]

Is Tam no longer about then?


Part time I believe.

[hibbysam]

Aberdeen seem desperate for income just now and are going oublic with how desperate they are for some form of income. Are they toiling?

They’re desperate for fans to get in, but that’s going to lose them money, not gain them any. Highly doubt they’ll be struggling.

[Scouse Hibee]

if Hibs made the kit man redundant, they can't just go and hire a new one a few months later. it's the post, not the person. so perhaps explains the new role name. maybe more responsibility for slightly more pay.

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I believe legally they can.

[scoopyboy]

if Hibs made the kit man redundant, they can't just go and hire a new one a few months later. it's the post, not the person. so perhaps explains the new role name. maybe more responsibility for slightly more pay.

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He's not been made redundant though.

[hibbysam]

I believe legally they can.

No idea how it works, is it the person that becomes redundant or the position? I always thought it was the position, and the person obviously fell with that. Companies would then have to be creative in regards to making a new role with more responsibilities etc. Could be way off the mark.

[truehibernian]

He's not been made redundant though.

Hope Tam is okay Scoopy. I spoke to Gav before the Killie game and he was off sick (nothing more was discussed about it). Wish him all the best regardless, cracking character around the place. :aok: his jokes are brutal mind (the pair of them) :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

No idea how it works, is it the person that becomes redundant or the position? I always thought it was the position, and the person obviously fell with that. Companies would then have to be creative in regards to making a new role with more responsibilities etc. Could be way off the mark.

The legal definition:-

According to the Employment Rights Act 1996, an employee is dismissed by reason of redundancy if the dismissal is wholly or mainly attributable to the fact that:

the employer ceases to carry on the business in which the employee was employed;
the employer ceases to carry on that business in the place where the employee was employed;
the needs of the business for employees to carry out work of a particular kind cease or diminish; or
the needs of the business for employees to carry out work of a particular kind in the place where the employee was employed cease or diminish.
This is the definition that is relevant for the purposes of determining whether or not a dismissal is fair and whether or not the employee is entitled to a redundancy payment.

For the purposes of determining whether or not the collective redundancy consultation duty applies, the definition of redundancy under the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 applies. This is: a "dismissal for a reason not related to the individual concerned", which includes the situation where an employer proposes to dismiss and re-engage employees who do not agree to a proposed variation of their contract.