Does anyone drive electric?

[Callum_62]

Looking at changing our family car and possibly going electric

We did test drive the Nissan Leaf a few months before lockdown and I was pretty darn impressed to be honest

We don't drive many long distances although obviously the better the range the easier your life would be

I like the leaf but it looks like the Kona is the sort of more modern better equipped car although is more expensive

The otger contender is the E-2008 from Peugeot that looks wise I really like but I haven't looked at it in person (infact just stumbled over it online last night)

Anyone who drives electric give there insight or thoughts?

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[Moulin Yarns]

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. I'm looking at electric or hybrid cars.

The Peugeot 2008 looks a decent choice, range of 190 miles should be enough for most journeys. Kia e-Nero also looks a decent bet with a range of 250 miles.

Plug in hybrid vauxhall grandland and Ford kuga are top of my list.

Self charging hybrids, Ford puma or Honda CRV.

My current car is a 6 year old Renault captur.

[bawheid]

I looked into it when I changed cars last year. I desperately wanted to go fully electric but it just didn’t stack up financially. The upfront cost (or monthly if you’re going PCP or contract hire) far outweighed the saving I would have made on fuel.

The sums will be different for everyone. Depends on your mileage and how often you want to change car, so worth looking into. I need the cost to come down before I can justify it sadly.

[Callum_62]

I definatly think unless your are a long term owner then it does take many years to get your money back

I think we would lease for 2 or 3 years

I imagine by that time battery tech will be advanced again

I was honestly blown away by the leafs performance (first drive in an electric car)

My preference is the Kona i think but its a bit pricey

Might try and pop into Peugeot for a look at the 2008 (even if it's petrol version) to get an idea

We drove the diesel 3008 last year and it was very nice inside, 2008 should be similar

Back to electric I think when taking the grant into account the install of a home wall box is basically free

We have solar panels too so some of our charging would be free too

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[Colr]

I’d be really interested in going electric but there isn’t anywhere for me to plug in at the moment. If you live in LB Hounslow, you can plug into the lamp posts!!

Got my eye on the Lexus UV300e for a switch in a couple of years time butnit looks expensive.

I only drive long distances very occasionally these days.

[bawheid]

I looked at the Kona and the e-Nero - battery tech is getting better all the time and those two would have given me the range I needed. Just too expensive though.

If you’re leasing for 2-3 years you’ll likely spend more overall than a petrol car but you could easily justify it to yourself Re environmental benefit. I ended up going for a 2 year contract hire on a petrol car and will look at electric again next year.

[Callum_62]

I looked at the Kona and the e-Nero - battery tech is getting better all the time and those two would have given me the range I needed. Just too expensive though.

If you’re leasing for 2-3 years you’ll likely spend more overall than a petrol car but you could easily justify it to yourself Re environmental benefit. I ended up going for a 2 year contract hire on a petrol car and will look at electric again next year.That's the trade off really, that and giving it a go for a few years to see if it's workable

If we can live with 2 years on a 150mile leaf.... The next car will be likely have 250 miles plus of range so no issues re range

The leaf is certainly the more affordable car, but the E 2008 not far behind

I doubt i could justify to my wife the difference in cost




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[BroxburnHibee]

I'd imagine we'll all be electric in 10-15 years.

Infrastructure isn't there yet though.

[Callum_62]

I'd imagine we'll all be electric in 10-15 years.

Infrastructure isn't there yet though.Infrastructure will continue to improve I'm Sure although I was really surprised how many charging points there were when I checked zap map

I think it would work well for us as we don't travel that far.... Guess if you are driving 200 plus miles a day it wouldn't be ideal

We probably drive 10-20 miles a day with some longer trips on weekend

That would be a couple of charges a week I'd imagine

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[Callum_62]

I’d be really interested in going electric but there isn’t anywhere for me to plug in at the moment. If you live in LB Hounslow, you can plug into the lamp posts!!

Got my eye on the Lexus UV300e for a switch in a couple of years time butnit looks expensive.

I only drive long distances very occasionally these days.Yeah it definately won't work for everyone - we are in a detached house and would have a home charger which really increases the convievnce

I wouldn't even look at them if I didn't have that option (or similar)

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[Colr]

I'd imagine we'll all be electric in 10-15 years.

Infrastructure isn't there yet though.

I think you’re right.

Little point in teens learning to drive a manual drive car as they’ll all be automatic.

[Colr]

Yeah it definately won't work for everyone - we are in a detached house and would have a home charger which really increases the convievnce

I wouldn't even look at them if I didn't have that option (or similar)

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But if you can charge in the work car park or supermarket, that helps.

Chargers on lamp posts seems smart and the Council could earn money from it.

No doubt they’re on top of it and will produce a policy paper on the equalities issues involved by the end of the decade!

[Moulin Yarns]

Don't forget if buying electric there is an interest free loan available over 4 years up to £35k from the Scottish government.

[Callum_62]

Don't forget if buying electric there is an interest free loan available over 4 years up to £35k from the Scottish government.Oh, great shout, I didn't know that

It appears to be 6 years too:

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/scotland/grants-loans/electric-vehicle-loan#:~:text=The%20interest-free%20Electric%20Vehicle,new%20electric%20motorcy cle%20or%20scooter

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[pollution]

How much does it cost to re charge the battery at home?

[Callum_62]

How much does it cost to re charge the battery at home?

from what I read the average cost to recharge from 0% to full at home on a car with about 200 mile range is 8.40

alot of public charge points are actually free (not the rapid chargers)

as below a full charge at home on a leaf giving about 150 miles range would be 5.60

With us having solar panels im sure if we charged during the day atleast some of that cost would be free

still, 3.7p a mile sounds decent enough to me


Cost to charge 3 example electric cars:
Battery size Approximate “real-world” electric range Cost to fully charge Cost per mile
Nissan LEAF (2018) 40 kWh 150 miles £5.60 3.7p
Tesla Model S 100D 100 kWh 320 miles £14 4.4p
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (2019) 13.8 kWh 23 miles £1.93 8.4p (electric mode)


Interestingly I see the E 2008 has up to 100KW charging. That would charge from 0-100% in 28 minutes

I doubt there will be many chargers at service stations yet pumping out that but im assuming over time they will be the norm

Thats really getting the time down from a few years ago

[HappyAsHellas]

I looked at the Kona and the e-Nero - battery tech is getting better all the time and those two would have given me the range I needed. Just too expensive though.

If you’re leasing for 2-3 years you’ll likely spend more overall than a petrol car but you could easily justify it to yourself Re environmental benefit. I ended up going for a 2 year contract hire on a petrol car and will look at electric again next year.

A new car has a carbon footprint of around 20 metric tonnes. That's before you ever drive it. If you renew every 2 years your footprint is 10 tonnes per annum. Not quite as green as is made out.

[Callum_62]

A new car has a carbon footprint of around 20 metric tonnes. That's before you ever drive it. If you renew every 2 years your footprint is 10 tonnes per annum. Not quite as green as is made out.Is that any new car or electric new car specific?

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[Moulin Yarns]

from what I read the average cost to recharge from 0% to full at home on a car with about 200 mile range is 8.40

alot of public charge points are actually free (not the rapid chargers)

as below a full charge at home on a leaf giving about 150 miles range would be 5.60

With us having solar panels im sure if we charged during the day atleast some of that cost would be free

still, 3.7p a mile sounds decent enough to me


Cost to charge 3 example electric cars:
Battery size Approximate “real-world” electric range Cost to fully charge Cost per mile
Nissan LEAF (2018) 40 kWh 150 miles £5.60 3.7p
Tesla Model S 100D 100 kWh 320 miles £14 4.4p
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (2019) 13.8 kWh 23 miles £1.93 8.4p (electric mode)


Interestingly I see the E 2008 has up to 100KW charging. That would charge from 0-100% in 28 minutes

I doubt there will be many chargers at service stations yet pumping out that but im assuming over time they will be the norm

Thats really getting the time down from a few years ago

I've just looked at the e2008 and in Allure finish it's £33,295 on Peugot Passport PCP

If you take that, and the interest free loan to pay it off (if possible) that sounds a decent deal

[Callum_62]

I've just looked at the e2008 and in Allure finish it's £33,295 on Peugot Passport PCP

If you take that, and the interest free loan to pay it off (if possible) that sounds a decent dealYou can get the top spec version via carwow for £33,715
Definately worth the slight difference

I'm sure you could get similar discounts on the allure version though

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[Moulin Yarns]

You can get the top spec version via carwow for £33,715
Definately worth the slight difference

I'm sure you could get similar discounts on the allure version though

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:aok:

£32,241 for a pearlescent colour

[JeMeSouviens]

Quite like the look of vw's id3 which is going to come with 3 battery sizes, the largest of which claims 340 miles.

Mind you with the typical battery degradation, that's going to be 240 miles in 4 years and would you really risk a long trip at near max range? So real world you're going to end up with a little over 200. For me, probably not enough.

My last 4 cars I've had for 7, 8, 7 and 4-and-counting years so hopefully by the time I change it they'll have got range a bit more sorted. I do worry about charging infra keeping up with and coping with this going mainstream as well.

[Callum_62]

Quite like the look of vw's id3 which is going to come with 3 battery sizes, the largest of which claims 340 miles.

Mind you with the typical battery degradation, that's going to be 240 miles in 4 years and would you really risk a long trip at near max range? So real world you're going to end up with a little over 200. For me, probably not enough.

My last 4 cars I've had for 7, 8, 7 and 4-and-counting years so hopefully by the time I change it they'll have got range a bit more sorted. I do worry about charging infra keeping up with and coping with this going mainstream as well.Isn't typical battery degradation about 2percent per year?

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[neil7908]

Isn't typical battery degradation about 2percent per year?

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All manufacturers are different and a lot depends on careful charging practices but I'd say 2% per annum is what most research points to.

Most cars come with an 8 year/100,000 mile warranty which includes the battery so there is additional protection.

[JeMeSouviens]

Isn't typical battery degradation about 2percent per year?

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Oops. Yes you're right. I seem to have picked that up wrong from a presentation we got from our work's company car scheme.

[JeMeSouviens]

What I really fancy is one of these - https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/electric/id/id-family/id-buzz

In a camper layout. Couple of years away ...

[Callum_62]

What I really fancy is one of these - https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/electric/id/id-family/id-buzz

In a camper layout. Couple of years away ...Yeah the VW range looks very smart indeed

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[Andy74]

What I really fancy is one of these - https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/electric/id/id-family/id-buzz

In a camper layout. Couple of years away ...

Yep, I want one of those too.

[Callum_62]

I'm test driving a Hyundai Kona electric on Tuesday

Had a look at the BMW i3 but it's a bit too small

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[Moulin Yarns]

I'm test driving a Hyundai Kona electric on Tuesday

Had a look at the BMW i3 but it's a bit too small

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Try the kia e-Nero. Same mechanics as the Kona but more space.

[Colr]

What I really fancy is one of these - https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/electric/id/id-family/id-buzz

In a camper layout. Couple of years away ...

It’s a VW, so they probably haven’t mentioned that it runs on diesel. The electric was only for the emissions tests.

[Callum_62]

Try the kia e-Nero. Same mechanics as the Kona but more space.Will do, bit more cash than the kona from what I can see but will also check it out

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[Hibrandenburg]

I'm tempted to replace the small family car with an electric one as the technology is now advanced enough to cover my needs for that vehicle. However an electric family car large enough to pull a 2000kg caravan a suitable distance is not really an option just yet.

[Callum_62]

I'm tempted to replace the small family car with an electric one as the technology is now advanced enough to cover my needs for that vehicle. However an electric family car large enough to pull a 2000kg caravan a suitable distance is not really an option just yet.What is the advice for towing with, say an e-Niro?

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[HappyAsHellas]

Is that any new car or electric new car specific?

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Sorry for taking so long to answer - forgot I'd posted on this thread. Anyway, this from greengage:

Scientific studies have shown that manufacturing an electric vehicle generates more carbon emissions than building a traditional car. ... For larger, longer-range EVs that travel more than 250 miles per charge, the manufacturing emissions can be as much as 68 percent higher.

[HappyAsHellas]

If what I'm reading is correct, the sales of electric cars accounts for 0.2% of UK sales in the last year. I thought it would have been much higher than this.

[Hibrandenburg]

What is the advice for towing with, say an e-Niro?

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Don't. There's no towing weight given in the specs.

[Callum_62]

Sorry for taking so long to answer - forgot I'd posted on this thread. Anyway, this from greengage:

Scientific studies have shown that manufacturing an electric vehicle generates more carbon emissions than building a traditional car. ... For larger, longer-range EVs that travel more than 250 miles per charge, the manufacturing emissions can be as much as 68 percent higher.




That's interesting

I will be nice to hear the full start to finish production, use and end of life environmental impact

Obviously EVs are significantly better to run than an ICE but what's the plans for battery destruction etc

We test drove a Kona EV yesterday. It was nice but the missus wasn't totally convinced

We are trying out an e Niro tomorrow, although I believe there is a waiting list of about 6-9 months

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[HappyAsHellas]

It is interesting as the figures I quoted were from Honda and Toyota for the manufacture of one car. Greenpeace dispute this saying they don't take into account things like employees going to work, waste etc. I think once you get into any discussion on environmental subjects there is a lot of information to be taken into account. I remember reading that over 90% of the South American Atlantic forest had been chopped down to grow soya beans. To feed the starving of the world I hear you ask - no - to develop hybrid fuels.
I think we have to get away from using so much fossil fuels, but this needs serious government intervention, not the soundbites and platitudes that we hear now.

[Callum_62]

Test drove a BMW I3 today

Favorite by far

Might get one and use it as our 2nd car

Its now between that an Peugeot E2008

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[Moulin Yarns]

Test drove a BMW I3 today

Favorite by far

Might get one and use it as our 2nd car

Its now between that an Peugeot E2008

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Sounds like you are thinking along similar lines to me. On the few (3 or 4) times each year I need to go further I would either go by train or hire a car.

[Callum_62]

Sounds like you are thinking along similar lines to me. On the few (3 or 4) times each year I need to go further I would either go by train or hire a car.It makes range less important and gives you a bit more choice

Leaf, 2008, 208, i3 all do that sort of 150 miles range

E niro and kona and are step up in range

Not 100 percent yet

Driving e niro a bit later so see how that goes (although I think it's unlikely we will get this car)

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[Moulin Yarns]

It makes range less important and gives you a bit more choice

Leaf, 2008, 208, i3 all do that sort of 150 miles range

E niro and kona and are step up in range

Not 100 percent yet

Driving e niro a bit later so see how that goes (although I think it's unlikely we will get this car)

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I just looked at the 2008 on Drive The Deal. Excellent price. :greengrin

[patch1875]

Isn’t the i3 similar money to the Tesla 3?

[Moulin Yarns]

Isn’t the i3 similar money to the Tesla 3?

Aye, the BMW is around £35,000 while the Tesla starts at £43,500. So no comparison.

[EI255]

About to buy a new car and it won't be electric. No thanks. I'm afraid battery technology just doesn't convince me right now.

[patch1875]

Aye, the BMW is around £35,000 while the Tesla starts at £43,500. So no comparison.

Jeez thought the Tesla was around 36-37!

I’m sticking petrol for a while yet!

[Moulin Yarns]

How many journeys are over 100 miles?

[McSwanky]

Aye, the BMW is around £35,000 while the Tesla starts at £43,500. So no comparison.Jeez. That's crazy money for a car IMO. And that's my main issue with electric just now. Just too expensive for people like me who just want something affordable. I bought a top of the range petrol Ibiza for under £14k a couple of years ago, no danger I'm getting the equivalent electric car for less than £20k.

Bring on the hydrogen powered vehicles! THAT'S the future!

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[Just_Jimmy]

I'm toying with a new car. Thinking hybrid. Don't know a huge amount about it and selfishly I'm not that bothered. It needs to get me around but I also need it to do 300 miles at least in one go so I can drive up to Scotland etc. I'd use electric day to day then fuel for longer distances but that's probably not how it works at all.

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[Moulin Yarns]

I'm toying with a new car. Thinking hybrid. Don't know a huge amount about it and selfishly I'm not that bothered. It needs to get me around but I also need it to do 300 miles at least in one go so I can drive up to Scotland etc. I'd use electric day to day then fuel for longer distances but that's probably not how it works at all.

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Plug in hybrids will run on electric power for up to 35 miles when fully charged. Self charging hybrids only use the battery when under low strain.


Plug in hybrid cars cost almost as much as fully electric cars.

All of the above is generalised information.

[Just_Jimmy]

Plug in hybrids will run on electric power for up to 35 miles when fully charged. Self charging hybrids only use the battery when under low strain.


Plug in hybrid cars cost almost as much as fully electric cars.

All of the above is generalised information.Day to day 35 miles would be fine. My issue is electric doesn't have the range for when I need to drive distance. I'm not adding 45 mins onto my journey either side to sit and wait on it charging.

I'm also not paying 40k for that.

Might sit tight for another year.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Day to day 35 miles would be fine. My issue is electric doesn't have the range for when I need to drive distance. I'm not adding 45 mins onto my journey either side to sit and wait on it charging.

I'm also not paying 40k for that.

Might sit tight for another year.

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My long journey is to Yorkshire, fully charged at the start of the journey and a coffee stop at Reghed while it topped up would be worth it, and the e-Niro is capable of that at about £33k

[patch1875]

My friend has a Tesla S different level price wise at 70k but in 9 months he’s never charged it at home! With the S you get free access to the superchargers so he goes to one before work and sits and charges it while he catches up on emails.

It also has Netflix built in as well!

Had a brief go in it felt sick with the acceleration.

[Just_Jimmy]

My long journey is to Yorkshire, fully charged at the start of the journey and a coffee stop at Reghed while it topped up would be worth it, and the e-Niro is capable of that at about £33kI currently do Manchester to Scotland in 4-4.5 hours no stop. Same in reverse.

The idea is good but 33k for a car. I'd have to save a lot on fuel and other costs to justify that.

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[Scouse Hibee]

I currently do Manchester to Scotland in 4-4.5 hours no stop. Same in reverse.

The idea is good but 33k for a car. I'd have to save a lot on fuel and other costs to justify that.

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I used to do Edinburgh to Liverpool regularly with a stop at Southwaite both ways, about 4 hours was my regular time up to about 4.5 hours if Inhit any hold ups. The amount of people who have told me over the years that it only ever takes them three hours makes me laugh.

[neil7908]

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/352747/electric-cars-are-cheaper-own-petrol-cars?amp

[HappyAsHellas]

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/352747/electric-cars-are-cheaper-own-petrol-cars?amp

"If you take the purchase price out of the equation......"
That's the main factor I would have thought? Will the batteries last for 14 years?

[neil7908]

"If you take the purchase price out of the equation......"
That's the main factor I would have thought? Will the batteries last for 14 years?

Your quote there is a misleading, although rereading the article it isn't very well worded but that section talking about annual running costs without looking at vehicle prices.

However, the article is clear "Even including the sometimes high initial purchase cost of electric models, they are more cost effective than their petrol equivalents over the long term, but the difference isn’t huge".

The battery question is interesting and a fair point. There are no EVs that have been on the go for 14 years but plenty of cases showing the batteries can still maintain a charge with the low levels of degradation after hundreds of thousands of miles. Batteries can also be replaced, with costs dropping year on year. It's likely that in 5-10 years replacing a EV car battery will be a lot cheaper than it is now.

[Callum_62]

Just ordered a BMW i3

Hopefully be with me in a few weeks

Was absolutely quality to drive and definately the fit and finish is a step up from the kona, e niro etc

You give up range and size but we will be using this as a 2nd car for now so it's a happy medium for us to try electric

Reckon I got a very decent deal too

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[EI255]

Just ordered a BMW i3

Hopefully be with me in a few weeks

Was absolutely quality to drive and definately the fit and finish is a step up from the kona, e niro etc

You give up range and size but we will be using this as a 2nd car for now so it's a happy medium for us to try electric

Reckon I got a very decent deal too

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[Stick]

I currently do Manchester to Scotland in 4-4.5 hours no stop. *****Same in reverse****


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Thought it was only hire cars that could do those speeds in reverse gear.:wink:
(Sorry, childish I know, couldn’t resist)

[Moulin Yarns]

Just ordered a BMW i3

Hopefully be with me in a few weeks

Was absolutely quality to drive and definately the fit and finish is a step up from the kona, e niro etc

You give up range and size but we will be using this as a 2nd car for now so it's a happy medium for us to try electric

Reckon I got a very decent deal too

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As a second car it sounds a good option. I would be a 1 car household so prefer the longer range.

[Callum_62]

See they have reduced the OLEV grant to £350

Bad timing [emoji23]

Quotes for the Zappi v2 charger are coming back at about £650 including OLEV and EST grants

Probably cheaper chargers but seems to have good functionality

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[Callum_62]

My i3 arrives on Wednesday and my Zappi charger goes in next week

Looking forward to see how it works out

First test will be a decent drive to the safari park this weekend



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