Burnley aircraft tonight. Disgraceful.

[EI255]

Easy enough to find out who owns the aircraft if someone has a photo of it. Just get the registration code and Google it. Easy. The aircraft owner should be brought to task. No question about it. Shower of xxxx.

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[lord bunberry]

Easy enough to find out who owns the aircraft if someone has a photo of it. Just get the registration code and Google it. Easy. The aircraft owner should be brought to task. No question about it. Shower of xxxx.

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****ing idiots.

[EI255]

****ing idiots.Understatement.

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[Scouse Hibee]

Easy enough to find out who owns the aircraft if someone has a photo of it. Just get the registration code and Google it. Easy. The aircraft owner should be brought to task. No question about it. Shower of xxxx.

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Do you mean in Manchester at the game?

What happened?

[EI255]

Do you mean in Manchester at the game?

What happened?Yeah. Some people thought it would be cool to fly a plane over Man City stadium with banner... White lives matter Burnley

Absolute morons.

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[Scouse Hibee]

Yeah. Some people thought it would be cool to fly a plane over Man City stadium with banner... White lives matter Burnley

Absolute morons.

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FFS will it ever end.

[skyhibs]

All lives matter

[hibsbollah]

What a time for Katie Hopkins to get booted off Twitter. I bet she’s raging not being able to contribute to the debate. ‘What are you saying, that they DON’T matter?’ or similar.

[Hibernianinc]

All lives matter

Wilfully missing the point.

[hibsbollah]

All lives matter

Here we go:faf:I give this thread 15 mins

[skyhibs]

Wilfully missing the point.


enlighten me then..... lives lost in reading, don’t they matter....

[Viva_Palmeiras]

enlighten me then..... lives lost in reading, don’t they matter....

slow clap.

[bawheid]

Oh oh...

[lord bunberry]

enlighten me then..... lives lost in reading, don’t they matter....
It’s nothing to do with the black lives matter movement though is it. The black lives matter movement is about highlighting that black lives matter just as much as anyone else. When people use lines like all lives matter or white lives matter it spectacularly misses the point.

[Scouse Hibee]

enlighten me then..... lives lost in reading, don’t they matter....

Why don’t you have a think about it, you surely can’t be totally ignorant to the BLM campaign?

[StevesFamau5]

enlighten me then..... lives lost in reading, don’t they matter....Yes, those lives do matter skyhibs.... BUT it's irrelevant to the BLM movement and a typical 'whataboutery' post.

But I assume you have never been judged by the police based on the colour of your skin? Or been looked at like a criminal because of the colour of your skin? Or lost out on a job/promotion/opportunity because of the colour of your skin?

I assume you are just a silly wee troll sitting in your basement furiously typing utter rubbish on forums.

But I digress....

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[Sammy7nil]

Yes, those lives do matter skyhibs.... BUT it's irrelevant to the BLM movement and a typical 'whataboutery' post.

But I assume you have never been judged by the police based on the colour of your skin? Or been looked at like a criminal because of the colour of your skin? Or lost out on a job/promotion/opportunity because of the colour of your skin?

I assume you are just a silly wee troll sitting in your basement furiously typing utter rubbish on forums.

But I digress....

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I don't agree with skyhibs but why are you trolling some one you called a troll? Are you missing the point ?

[Hibernianinc]

enlighten me then..... lives lost in reading, don’t they matter....

It’s Black Lives Matter too.

Pretty much about systemic racism, persecution and slavery over centuries meaning they should get a fair kick of the ball and treated equally. Unlike now.

No one is arguing that radicalised terrorists aren’t erseholes, but it’s wrong to conflate the two.

[skyhibs]

Why don’t you have a think about it, you surely can’t be totally ignorant to the BLM campaign?
Of course not..... but I genuinely think all lives do matter and if we have a campaign then that’s what it should be....

[Carheenlea]

Burnley’s demographic (2011 census) -

87.4% white
10.7% Asian
0.2% Black

[Scouse Hibee]

Of course not..... but I genuinely think all lives do matter and if we have a campaign then that’s what it should be....

That’s what it is about!

[JeMeSouviens]

Burnley quick with condemnation. Their captain, Ben Mee, spoke really well as did Graeme Souness and Micah Richards on sky.

[skyhibs]

[QUOTE=StevesFamau5;6214884]Yes, those lives do matter skyhibs.... BUT it's irrelevant to the BLM movement and a typical 'whataboutery' post.

But I assume you have never been judged by the police based on the colour of your skin? Or been looked at like a criminal because of the colour of your skin? Or lost out on a job/promotion/opportunity because of the colour of your skin?

I assume you are just a silly wee troll sitting in your basement furiously typing utter rubbish on forums.

Your right you assume.... you assume too much and don’t know anything about me to make these comments... this WILL be my last post on the subject

[StevesFamau5]

I don't agree with skyhibs but why are you trolling some one you called a troll? Are you missing the point ?I am calling the poster out, not sure if that is trolling but if that's how you feel.

What point do you think I am missing?

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[hibsbollah]

Burnley quick with condemnation. Their captain, Ben Mee, spoke really well as did Graeme Souness and Micah Richards on sky.

Ive just seen the Souness clip, Wow. I’ve met him more than once and he didn’t come across well at all, but what he actually said there was wonderful and inspiring.

[Pretty Boy]

I would have no issue with people saying white lives matter or all lives matter if I genuinely believed it wasn't just reactionary to the BLM movement. A lot of the 'all lives matter' stuff I see on social media seems to come from 'lads' with passive aggressive posts about poppies and Britain First memes all over their accounts.

I'm not suggesting people don't genuinely believe all lives matter, I think any decent person does, but using it as some form of weapon in the current ongoing situation just seems ill judged to me.

[JeMeSouviens]

I would have no issue with people saying white lives matter or all lives matter if I genuinely believed it wasn't just reactionary to the BLM movement. A lot of the 'all lives matter' stuff I see on social media seems to come from 'lads' with passive aggressive posts about poppies and Britain First memes all over their accounts.

I'm not suggesting people don't genuinely believe all lives matter, I think any decent person does, but using it as some form of weapon in the current ongoing situation just seems ill judged to me.

There are pictures of the guy supposedly behind this on twitter draped round Yaxley-Lennon/“Robinson”.

[JeMeSouviens]

Ive just seen the Souness clip, Wow. I’ve met him more than once and he didn’t come across well at all, but what he actually said there was wonderful and inspiring.

Indeed. First time I’ve thought he wasn’t a total dick tbh.

[Andy74]

Very little surely that can be done?

White lives of course do matter. Can’t be argued. They weren’t commenting on anything else.

Context of course says they were probably being ***** but it’s unlikely that action could be taken on it.

[Sir David Gray]

Very little surely that can be done?

White lives of course do matter. Can’t be argued. They weren’t commenting on anything else.

Context of course says they were probably being ***** but it’s unlikely that action could be taken on it.

Burnley have already issued a statement saying they will work with the authorities to find those responsible and if they are found then they'll be banned for life from Turf Moor.

[matty_f]

Burnley have already issued a statement saying they will work with the authorities to find those responsible and if they are found then they'll be banned for life from Turf Moor.

Well done Burnley.

It was a despicable thing to do, and they're right to chase the perpetrators out of their club.

[Sammy7nil]

I am calling the poster out, not sure if that is trolling but if that's how you feel.

What point do you think I am missing?

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You are a troll

[EH6 Hibby]

You are a troll

How is he a troll? I’m confused.

[Vault Boy]

You are a troll

StevesFamau5 responded with a pertinent and sincere rebuttal that was completely within the spirit of the thread.

You, however, saying 'you are a troll' without any kind of evidence or line of reasoning is nothing but inflammatory and far more akin to trolling than anything posted by SF5.

As for the banner - disgraceful is the word. Well done to Burnley FC for responding so swiftly and sternly.

[Mibbes Aye]

Yes, those lives do matter skyhibs.... BUT it's irrelevant to the BLM movement and a typical 'whataboutery' post.

But I assume you have never been judged by the police based on the colour of your skin? Or been looked at like a criminal because of the colour of your skin? Or lost out on a job/promotion/opportunity because of the colour of your skin?

I assume you are just a silly wee troll sitting in your basement furiously typing utter rubbish on forums.

But I digress....

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Whenever I read posts like yours it always brings a wry and melancholy smile to my face.

Over my years on this site, on a frequent basis, I have never read so much outrage than that from some posters about how they were treated by stewards and police at Ibrox or Parkhead. A lot of fans seem to be able to attend without issue but for some it seems to be bordering on a human rights case worthy of taking to ECHR or whatever.

I would say, with no evidence, but in all certainty, that the vast majority of posters on this site are white and male. I also suspect amongst the regular posters, the majority are in that fluid bracket we call middle-aged. We don’t face discrimination to any degree. Maybe for those of us who are Catholic especially in years gone by, but I struggle to recognise that nowadays.

Let’s face it, that means we can sympathise but not truly empathise with people who are more marginalised, especially because of skin colour. And especially when almost every indicator around life chances is weighted disproportionately against them. Yet on here, the horror and suffering caused over ninety minutes by some Glaswegian steward is unbearable. The suffering!

And for the avoidance of doubt, the only time I had dealings with a Glasgow polis at a game, he was a *****. But then I have experienced the same in Perth and Kirkcaldy. I don’t doubts that most of them are decent but untrusting of away supports. In their shoes I would likely be the same. But that’s another thread :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

Very little surely that can be done?

White lives of course do matter. Can’t be argued. They weren’t commenting on anything else.

Context of course says they were probably being ***** but it’s unlikely that action could be taken on it.

:agree:

Would find it very strange to see the plane owner brought to task or the people responsible banned.

There’s no doubting that it’s a reactionary message to BLM and a bit of a knobish thing to do but it’s hardly crime of the century... or even a crime at all I wouldn’t have thought?

Is the person that rented the plane racist? I wouldn’t be surprised. Was the message racist? Probably not.

[Newry Hibs]

Maybe a better response would have been 'Yes, white lives matter as do all lives, but right now we are dealing with black lives and the issues around that'.

[McSwanky]

Laughable.

It's akin to a man chaining himself to the railing beside the suffragettes and proclaiming "we men deserve the vote too you know!"

You know, that vote they already had.

Dick move, although not illegal. Clearly just designed to be inflammatory and I'd be happy for Burnley to take action.

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[hibsbollah]

Maybe a better response would have been 'Yes, white lives matter as do all lives, but right now we are dealing with black lives and the issues around that'.

Might need a bigger banner. ‘Fire up the 747, Agnès!

[makaveli1875]

Think the vast majority of people agree that black lives matter. Time to move on now

[Newry Hibs]

Laughable.

It's akin to a man chaining himself to the railing beside the suffragettes and proclaiming "we men deserve the vote too you know!"

You know, that vote they already had.

Dick move, although not illegal. Clearly just designed to be inflammatory and I'd be happy for Burnley to take action.

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Not all men did have the vote at the time of the suffragettes.

[Newry Hibs]

Might need a bigger banner. ‘Fire up the 747, Agnès!

It was more the response from Burnley - but agree with the plane as well.

[McSwanky]

Not all men did have the vote at the time of the suffragettes.You know what I meant.

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[EI255]

enlighten me then..... lives lost in reading, don’t they matter....The banner in question was clearly a stunt by 'fans' with a connection to Burnley FC. I think we can safely assume that they are racists (and probably funded by good old Tommy 'fud face' Robinson and his cronies). The topic is about the banner. Not anything else.

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[EI255]

There are pictures of the guy supposedly behind this on twitter draped round Yaxley-Lennon/“Robinson”.What a truly odious sod he is. One can only imagine he and his immature friends are at full tilt on the white offensive right now. Worrying times. However, I'm sure they will be under heavy police surveillance too.

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[Dalianwanda]

:agree:

Would find it very strange to see the plane owner brought to task or the people responsible banned.

There’s no doubting that it’s a reactionary message to BLM and a bit of a knobish thing to do but it’s hardly crime of the century... or even a crime at all I wouldn’t have thought?

Is the person that rented the plane racist? I wouldn’t be surprised. Was the message racist? Probably not.

The message itself is what it is. You would have to look at the motive to work out if its racist or not. BLM matter is about aiming for equality, WLM just seems to be a rebuttal to that not focussing on equality but on diverting attention away from the BLM message.

I just made the mistake of reading some of the twitter comments under Skys Ben Mee interview.....Really wish I hadn't, soul-destroying stuff.

[calumhibee1]

The message itself is what it is. You would have to look at the motive to work out if its racist or not. BLM matter is about aiming for equality, WLM just seems to be a rebuttal to that not focussing on equality but on diverting attention away from the BLM message.

I just made the mistake of reading some of the twitter comments under Skys Ben Mee interview.....Really wish I hadn't, soul-destroying stuff.

Agree re the comments on these articles. Some of them are atrocious.

I don’t really see how anyone, whether it’s Burnley against the guy that done it, the police against the guy that done it or against the plane owner can really be punished here though.

[Newry Hibs]

The message itself is what it is. You would have to look at the motive to work out if its racist or not. BLM matter is about aiming for equality, WLM just seems to be a rebuttal to that not focussing on equality but on diverting attention away from the BLM message.

I just made the mistake of reading some of the twitter comments under Skys Ben Mee interview.....Really wish I hadn't, soul-destroying stuff.

I think there is a frustration that white people are being demonised. How black people were treated in the past is wrong but 'I' wasn't responsible for it and 'I' don't go around mis-treating people based on colour (or anything else) - I suspect that is a lot of people's thoughts.

Seeing mob rule and tearing down statues doesn't help the BLM cause IMO.

[Sir David Gray]

Agree re the comments on these articles. Some of them are atrocious.

I don’t really see how anyone, whether it’s Burnley against the guy that done it, the police against the guy that done it or against the plane owner can really be punished here though.

There's no way that there will be any criminal convictions from this, except if there's been some unlawful use of the plane.

Displaying a message that, in its literal meaning, is an indisputable fact is not illegal and if anyone's arrested and charged for the banner, a half decent lawyer will get the charge thrown out.

Burnley's a different matter though, they can ban whoever they like from their stadium.

[Andy74]

The message itself is what it is. You would have to look at the motive to work out if its racist or not. BLM matter is about aiming for equality, WLM just seems to be a rebuttal to that not focussing on equality but on diverting attention away from the BLM message.

I just made the mistake of reading some of the twitter comments under Skys Ben Mee interview.....Really wish I hadn't, soul-destroying stuff.

I think we have to be careful on it.

BLM are at pains to say that when they say BLM that they aren't making any comment on whether other lives matter. That has to be able to read both ways.

Context on this one is probably not good but they are surely at liberty to say something which is pretty inarguable?

[Carheenlea]

When Souness talks of having never seeing prejudice in a dressing room, I’m assuming he is separating racist prejudice from sectarian prejudice for the benefit of the current debate.

[McSwanky]

I think there is a frustration that white people are being demonised. How black people were treated in the past is wrong but 'I' wasn't responsible for it and 'I' don't go around mis-treating people based on colour (or anything else) - I suspect that is a lot of people's thoughts.

Seeing mob rule and tearing down statues doesn't help the BLM cause IMO.

I'm not sure if you're presenting this as your own opinion or not, but:

1. The way black people were treated in the past is still going on. It's a live issue.
2. You may not have been responsible for it, but you have quite probably benefited from it, be it directly or indirectly.

(I'm assuming you're not black BTW!)

[Newry Hibs]

The message itself is what it is. You would have to look at the motive to work out if its racist or not. BLM matter is about aiming for equality, WLM just seems to be a rebuttal to that not focussing on equality but on diverting attention away from the BLM message.

I just made the mistake of reading some of the twitter comments under Skys Ben Mee interview.....Really wish I hadn't, soul-destroying stuff.

I think there is a frustration that white people are being demonised. How black people were treated in the past is wrong but 'I' wasn't responsible for it and 'I' don't go around mis-treating people based on colour (or anything else) - I suspect that is a lot of people's thoughts.

Seeing mob rule and tearing down statues doesn't help the BLM cause IMO.

[Dalianwanda]

Agree re the comments on these articles. Some of them are atrocious.

I don’t really see how anyone, whether it’s Burnley against the guy that done it, the police against the guy that done it or against the plane owner can really be punished here though.

I suppose Burnely can ban who they want, do they actually need a reason? Legally nothing can be done as no matter the potential intent its just a statement which could just be taken literally.

[Green Manalishi]

I was surprised Souness said he has only ever encountered two instances of racism in his career and they both came from directors. When he played through the 70s and 80s did he have ear plugs in?

[calumhibee1]

I suppose Burnely can ban who they want, do they actually need a reason? Legally nothing can be done as no matter the potential intent its just a statement which could just be taken literally.

True, they are entitled to ban whoever they want.

Wonder what the general consensus would be with the more right wing elements of their support if they go ahead with it. I’m going to hazard a guess a sizeable chunk of their support will not be happy in the slightest going by comments on social media etc.

[Andy74]

I was surprised Souness said he has only ever encountered two instances of racism in his career and they both came from directors. When he played through the 70s and 80s did he have ear plugs in?

This from Mark Walters:

“Souness did tell me I might get some stick but I had no idea there were no other black players in the Scottish league and would have been shocked if told I was going to be a pioneer, but that certainly wouldn’t have put me off,” he says. In his first appearance, away to Celtic, a large number of the 50,000 crowd made monkey noises when he touched the ball and the match had to be stopped so bananas could be cleared off the pitch.

The abuse was even worse from Hearts supporters two weeks later. This time Walters knew what to expect, partly because on the way to the game a teammate showed him a newspaper interview with a man displaying a huge batch of fruit he had bought to hurl at Walters. “The guy was standing there with his stall, very proud … so I was aware I had to be on my toes but I was shocked when the match started and I saw it wasn’t just fruit but people were also throwing darts and even a pig’s leg. That made me chuckle, but only when I got off the pitch at the end and knew I was safe.” Had he considered leaving the pitch before the end to avoid being hit? “My mentality was to play better and I can thank my mother for that,” he says. “My upbringing was to work twice as hard to achieve something if you have to. Stick it out. I was never going to walk off. I know that might not be the mentality nowadays but for me walking off just wasn’t an option. Rangers was such a great club that I didn’t want to let anything mess up my opportunity.”

Perhaps Souness has forgotten this period?

[Dalianwanda]

I think there is a frustration that white people are being demonised. How black people were treated in the past is wrong but 'I' wasn't responsible for it and 'I' don't go around mis-treating people based on colour (or anything else) - I suspect that is a lot of people's thoughts.

Seeing mob rule and tearing down statues doesn't help the BLM cause IMO.

But its not in the past its now. My belief is theres far more good folks out there that see the wrong in discrimination & that something has to change. For someone to feel demonised because somenone else is looking for equality doesnt seem right to me. There is a problem & that we are all part of the solution.

With regards to the statues rather than look at the act of pulling some down its looking at whats driven people to think this is necessary. Also why so many with links to slave trading are still be commemorated with a statue in a public place in the first place. I think this bits being discussed else where though :wink:

[hibsbollah]

This from Mark Walters:

“Souness did tell me I might get some stick but I had no idea there were no other black players in the Scottish league and would have been shocked if told I was going to be a pioneer, but that certainly wouldn’t have put me off,” he says. In his first appearance, away to Celtic, a large number of the 50,000 crowd made monkey noises when he touched the ball and the match had to be stopped so bananas could be cleared off the pitch.

The abuse was even worse from Hearts supporters two weeks later. This time Walters knew what to expect, partly because on the way to the game a teammate showed him a newspaper interview with a man displaying a huge batch of fruit he had bought to hurl at Walters. “The guy was standing there with his stall, very proud … so I was aware I had to be on my toes but I was shocked when the match started and I saw it wasn’t just fruit but people were also throwing darts and even a pig’s leg. That made me chuckle, but only when I got off the pitch at the end and knew I was safe.” Had he considered leaving the pitch before the end to avoid being hit? “My mentality was to play better and I can thank my mother for that,” he says. “My upbringing was to work twice as hard to achieve something if you have to. Stick it out. I was never going to walk off. I know that might not be the mentality nowadays but for me walking off just wasn’t an option. Rangers was such a great club that I didn’t want to let anything mess up my opportunity.”

Perhaps Souness has forgotten this period?

He did say he hadn’t encountered it in the dressing room, he didn’t mention the support.
I’m more interested in what he said about men like him making a difference NOW, for which he has my admiration.

[Dalianwanda]

True, they are entitled to ban whoever they want.

Wonder what the general consensus would be with the more right wing elements of their support if they go ahead with it. I’m going to hazard a guess a sizeable chunk of their support will not be happy in the slightest going by comments on social media etc.

Looking at social media you would say that its not going to go down well. Looking at Burnely FC do they actually want that type of person in their support?

[hibsbollah]

I think there is a frustration that white people are being demonised. How black people were treated in the past is wrong but 'I' wasn't responsible for it and 'I' don't go around mis-treating people based on colour (or anything else) - I suspect that is a lot of people's thoughts.

Seeing mob rule and tearing down statues doesn't help the BLM cause IMO.

If people seriously think BLM is demonising white people, those people are either not paying attention or deliberately diverting.

[calumhibee1]

Looking at social media you would say that its not going to go down well. Looking at Burnely FC do they actually want that type of person in their support?

:agree:

Tricky one for them to deal with.

[McD]

If people seriously think BLM is demonising white people, those people are either not paying attention or deliberately diverting.

:agree: exactly


If Burnley get a backlash from fans if/when they ban those responsible for the banner, I think it would be a very powerful message for them to double down and invite those fans to stay away as they're not wanted at the club, and I hope they do, although I also hope that the rest of the Burnley fans condemn the actions as the club and captain have

[Newry Hibs]

If people seriously think BLM is demonising white people, those people are either not paying attention or deliberately diverting.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/04/stop-demonising-white-people/

[Andy74]

If people seriously think BLM is demonising white people, those people are either not paying attention or deliberately diverting.

There is a bit of it, certainly.

There are things like that very cringy video of some family Christian band playing outside the Trump rally last week. The comments on the video were laying into the fact it was the ‘whitest’ thing imaginable. They certainly weren’t representing me!

That’s just an example but there is a lot of generalisation of what it means to be white. I’m sure we can largely take it as it doesn’t impact our daily lives but it needs watched the same way as any other potentially divisive activity.

[Jakhog1]

If people seriously think BLM is demonising white people, those people are either not paying attention or deliberately diverting.

That is bang on mate, some people would want to turn this into a race war for their own disgusting agenda.

One thing that got me this week was seeing a wee 7 year old boy in America, when spotting a police car go past his house he hid behind a car so they wouldn't see him, imagine having to live your life in fear all the time from such a young age

[Scouse Hibee]

It’s evident on social media that the BLM movement is not reaching the folk it needs to, it is just providing them with another vehicle to vent their hatred. Sad really.

[calumhibee1]

That is bang on mate, some people would want to turn this into a race war for their own disgusting agenda.

One thing that got me this week was seeing a wee 7 year old boy in America, when spotting a police car go past his house he hid behind a car so they wouldn't see him, imagine having to live your life in fear all the time from such a young age

By the same token, I saw a post on Instagram last night where white people were being absolutely slated for “white saviourism” where white people are apparently doing more harm than good when they volunteer to work in a deprived African community building houses etc. Yes, that’s right, they’re doing more harm than good by volunteering to help these communities in Africa because apparently it gives the impression that white people are black peoples saviours. This post was quite clear that it was aimed at ALL white people who undertake these volunteering roles.

Whilst the majority of the attempts to turn it into a race war are undoubtedly from right wing white people there’s certainly an element of slating everything white people do going about from a small minority of people who are protesting under the BML guise.

[-Jonesy-]

It’s evident on social media that the BLM movement is not reaching the folk it needs to, it is just providing them with another vehicle to vent their hatred. Sad really.

Certainly causing a fair few to show their true colours though

[matty_f]

If people seriously think BLM is demonising white people, those people are either not paying attention or deliberately diverting.

Spot on.

Ironically, the reaction and lack of understanding from some folk shows you exactly why the campaign is so important and so necessary.

[Slavers]

Certainly causing a fair few to show their true colours though

Yes people see through the BLM movement and it's run and founded by Marxists.

https://disrn.com/news/video-surfaces-of-black-lives-matter-founder-saying-were-trained-marxists

[Future17]

Can't believe this thread made 3 pages before the inevitable return...:rolleyes:

[CapitalGreen]

Yes people see through the BLM movement and it's run and founded by Marxists.

https://disrn.com/news/video-surfaces-of-black-lives-matter-founder-saying-were-trained-marxists

Are the Marxists connected to the Luciferians?

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes people see through the BLM movement and it's run and founded by Marxists.

https://disrn.com/news/video-surfaces-of-black-lives-matter-founder-saying-were-trained-marxists

You're not the first person, and won't be the last, to miss the point.

[Slavers]

Are the Marxists connected to the Luciferians?

You are learning quickly!

Very much connected, the Marxists are a group/tool used by Lucifer but if it makes you feel better the far-right are also used by Lucifer. It you choose the far-left marxist BLM route, or if you choose the far-right EDL route then you end up at the same place - a totalitarian authoritative government.

[Onceinawhile]

See on Sunday, when it was father's day, do you think the "all lives matter" camp were cutting about going "all parents matter"?

[hibsbollah]

See on Sunday, when it was father's day, do you think the "all lives matter" camp were cutting about going "all parents matter"?

Only if you’re a total fanny :agree:

I prefer to be optimistic about this. Some great comments and contributions from sources that you wouldn’t expect like Bertie Mee and Souness. Attitudes are shifting. There’s always going to be a backlash from certain people. That sort of response is as old as the problem itself, Nina Simone was banging on about Backlash Blues in the 1950s.

[Hibrandenburg]

See on Sunday, when it was father's day, do you think the "all lives matter" camp were cutting about going "all parents matter"?

Only the women amongst them.

[Slavers]

You're not the first person, and won't be the last, to miss the point.

With respect CWG i think you are missing the point of BLM. A more accurate description of BLM would be that they are hijacking the civil rights movement of black people and using it for their own agenda.

You only need to look at what is happening in Chaz/Chop area in Seattle to see the reality of the 'BLM movement' - it's not quite the utopia of equality that the media suggests it is, in fact it is the opposite of that, its segregated by race, extortion, it has armed militias, armed guard's at the borders, and yet black people are still being killed in this area and there are no 'racist' police doing the killing.

If ALL people are to support the 'BLM movement' then IMO the movement needs to distance itself from the far left extremists & black nationalists that are currently surrounding it.

[neil7908]

By the same token, I saw a post on Instagram last night where white people were being absolutely slated for “white saviourism” where white people are apparently doing more harm than good when they volunteer to work in a deprived African community building houses etc. Yes, that’s right, they’re doing more harm than good by volunteering to help these communities in Africa because apparently it gives the impression that white people are black peoples saviours. This post was quite clear that it was aimed at ALL white people who undertake these volunteering roles.

Whilst the majority of the attempts to turn it into a race war are undoubtedly from right wing white people there’s certainly an element of slating everything white people do going about from a small minority of people who are protesting under the BML guise.

To be honest, I think there is a lot of truth in that. Doctors, nurses, builders, engineers etc volunteering their knowledge and, importantly, skills to help in other parts of the world is great. But from my personal experience and what I see and hear that's very rarely the case.

Generally it ends up being 18/19 year old middle class kids with absolutely no skills or experience, who raise or borrow thousands of pounds to fund their volunteering. They do not offer any meaningful contributions and don't stay long enough to make any real changes. It's just an extended holiday.

That's not all volunteering but I'd wager it's a big chunk. The money spent on flights, traveling, insurance, accommodation, vaccinations etc could be given to a local initiative to tackle core issues around poverty. But that wouldn't give that warm cosy feeling instead or any Instagram friendly adventures.

[CropleyWasGod]

With respect CWG i think you are missing the point of BLM. A more accurate description of BLM would be that they are hijacking the civil rights movement of black people and using it for their own agenda.

You only need to look at what is happening in Chaz/Chop area in Seattle to see the reality of the 'BLM movement' - it's not quite the utopia of equality that the media suggests it is, in fact it is the opposite of that, its segregated by race, extortion, it has armed militias, armed guard's at the orders, and yet still black people are being killed within this area yet there being no 'racist' police there.

If ALL people are to support the 'BLM movement' then IMO the movement needs to distance itself from the far left extremists & black nationalists that are currently surrounding it.

For one thing, you don't know what my understanding of the "point" is, so i'm not sure how you come to that conclusion.

This is not about narrow political ideology, it's about much wider issues and awareness-raising. At various stages in their history, the IRA and the ANC (for example; there are others) were labelled Marxist, and they had self-styled Marxists in their memberships.

Did they achieve their goals? Of course they did. Are Ireland and South Africa Marxist states? Definitely not. Did the Marxist element help or hinder their success? I'd say it was utterly irrelevant; it had little or no effect, except in their internal affairs.

Speaking as a white male, and one who has all the privilege that goes along with that, and arguably one of the groups that BLM is trying to reach, do I care about the politics of its founders? Not a bit. As I say, it's about much wider and deeper issues than that.

[hibsbollah]

With respect CWG i think you are missing the point of BLM. A more accurate description of BLM would be that they are hijacking the civil rights movement of black people and using it for their own agenda.

You only need to look at what is happening in Chaz/Chop area in Seattle to see the reality of the 'BLM movement' - it's not quite the utopia of equality that the media suggests it is, in fact it is the opposite of that, its segregated by race, extortion, it has armed militias, armed guard's at the borders, and yet black people are still being killed in this area and there are no 'racist' police doing the killing.

If ALL people are to support the 'BLM movement' then IMO the movement needs to distance itself from the far left extremists & black nationalists that are currently surrounding it.

You know absolutely nothing about what’s going on in Seattle, clearly.
You know absolutely nothing about BLM either, if you think it’s infiltrated by Marxists.
You seem to know loads about alt right tropes and conspiracies though.

[calumhibee1]

To be honest, I think there is a lot of truth in that. Doctors, nurses, builders, engineers etc volunteering their knowledge and, importantly, skills to help in other parts of the world is great. But from my personal experience and what I see and hear that's very rarely the case.

Generally it ends up being 18/19 year old middle class kids with absolutely no skills or experience, who raise or borrow thousands of pounds to fund their volunteering. They do not offer any meaningful contributions and don't stay long enough to make any real changes. It's just an extended holiday.

That's not all volunteering but I'd wager it's a big chunk. The money spent on flights, traveling, insurance, accommodation, vaccinations etc could be given to a local initiative to tackle core issues around poverty. But that wouldn't give that warm cosy feeling instead or any Instagram friendly adventures.

I see the angle of where it’s coming from but I don’t agree with it at all. Especially when this post was quite clear that it was aimed at ALL white volunteers. Which to me would include any white doctors, nurses etc, probably more so than the 18 year old middle class students if we’re talking about being a “white saviour”. And why only white people? Are POC still allowed to go and be the Sikh saviour for example? Should white people just withdraw from all these sort of things so they don’t get looked upon as white saviours? Does it apply to white people going to BLM protests?

If people want to go and help and have a trip abroad and a life experience while they’re at it then go for it. I think it’s safe to say that if the trip wasn’t happening then the money wouldn’t have been getting raised/donated in most cases anyway so it’s not like it’s taking away from what they could have given.

[Andy74]

See on Sunday, when it was father's day, do you think the "all lives matter" camp were cutting about going "all parents matter"?

But this is a bit like saying you can say Happy Mothers Day but you can’t say Happy Fathers Day because that would be an attempt to counter the Mothers.

[Sammy7nil]

Yes, those lives do matter skyhibs.... BUT it's irrelevant to the BLM movement and a typical 'whataboutery' post.

But I assume you have never been judged by the police based on the colour of your skin? Or been looked at like a criminal because of the colour of your skin? Or lost out on a job/promotion/opportunity because of the colour of your skin?

I assume you are just a silly wee troll sitting in your basement furiously typing utter rubbish on forums.

But I digress....

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How is he a troll? I’m confused.


StevesFamau5 responded with a pertinent and sincere rebuttal that was completely within the spirit of the thread.

You, however, saying 'you are a troll' without any kind of evidence or line of reasoning is nothing but inflammatory and far more akin to trolling than anything posted by SF5.

As for the banner - disgraceful is the word. Well done to Burnley FC for responding so swiftly and sternly.

Sorry if I have upset or confused some but if the bit in bold is not ironic i don't know what is? Calling some one a troll by trolling them. As I said don't agree with skyhibs but that just seems silly.

[matty_f]

But this is a bit like saying you can say Happy Mothers Day but you can’t say Happy Fathers Day because that would be an attempt to counter the Mothers.

No it's not, it would be like that if mothers were having Mother's Day to campaign to be treated equally to fathers, who were systematically better treated than mothers, and fathers were only saying "Happy Father's Day" to diminish the relevance and importance of the mothers' campaign.

[JimBHibees]

:agree:

Tricky one for them to deal with.

Not sure it is tricky. Pretty embarrassing for the club live on tv.

[-Jonesy-]

Yes people see through the BLM movement and it's run and founded by Marxists.

https://disrn.com/news/video-surfaces-of-black-lives-matter-founder-saying-were-trained-marxists

🤡

[Hibrandenburg]

But this is a bit like saying you can say Happy Mothers Day but you can’t say Happy Fathers Day because that would be an attempt to counter the Mothers.

No it's not. It's like saying what about mothers on father's day and what about fathers on mother's day or calling them both parent's day.

[calumhibee1]

Not sure it is tricky. Pretty embarrassing for the club live on tv.

You don’t think it’s a tricky decision to deal with potentially alienating a good amount of their supporters by banning somebody for getting a plane to fly over the stadium saying something which really isn’t that outrageous - and judging by social media it’s a message that A LOT of British football fans are - rightly or wrongly - behind.

I would be very surprised if Burnley don’t have fans numbering in the thousands who would be against that action. The guy who has done it hasn’t broken any laws. He wasn’t in the stadium. I’m presuming he was probably even in his house. Banning him would get a hell of a lot of their fans backs up I’d think.

[-Jonesy-]

You don’t think it’s a tricky decision to deal with potentially alienating a good amount of their supporters by banning somebody for getting a plane to fly over the stadium saying something which really isn’t that outrageous - and judging by social media it’s a message that A LOT of British football fans are - rightly or wrongly - behind.

I would be very surprised if Burnley don’t have fans numbering in the thousands who would be against that action. The guy who has done it hasn’t broken any laws. He wasn’t in the stadium. I’m presuming he was probably even in his house. Banning him would get a hell of a lot of their fans backs up I’d think.

Why do you insist upon defending blatant racists on this forum?

[neil7908]

You don’t think it’s a tricky decision to deal with potentially alienating a good amount of their supporters by banning somebody for getting a plane to fly over the stadium saying something which really isn’t that outrageous - and judging by social media it’s a message that A LOT of British football fans are - rightly or wrongly - behind

I would be very surprised if Burnley don’t have fans numbering in the thousands who would be against that action.

Apparently not very tricky given the statement Burnley have put out within a few hours of the incident:

In a statement, Burnley said that the banner "in no way represents" what the club stands for and that they will "work fully with the authorities to identify those responsible and take appropriate action".

"Burnley strongly condemns the actions of those responsible for the aircraft and offensive banner," the statement added.

"We wish to make it clear that those responsible are not welcome at Turf Moor.

If they are clear on why it's wrong and happy to challenge their own supporters I'm not sure why others find it so hard to understand why this is totally wrong. Was anyone surprised about the photos coming out with the organiser and Tommy Robinson?

[-Jonesy-]

If they are clear on why it's wrong and happy to challenge their own supporters I'm not sure why others find it so hard to understand why this is totally wrong. Was anyone surprised about the photos coming out with the organiser and Tommy Robinson?

Also a rangers fan...

[CropleyWasGod]

You don’t think it’s a tricky decision to deal with potentially alienating a good amount of their supporters by banning somebody for getting a plane to fly over the stadium saying something which really isn’t that outrageous - and judging by social media it’s a message that A LOT of British football fans are - rightly or wrongly - behind.

I would be very surprised if Burnley don’t have fans numbering in the thousands who would be against that action. The guy who has done it hasn’t broken any laws. He wasn’t in the stadium. I’m presuming he was probably even in his house. Banning him would get a hell of a lot of their fans backs up I’d think.

I wouldn't assume social media as being the barometer of opinion. Otherwise we're all either fascists or Marxists :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

Why do you insist upon defending blatant racists on this forum?

Why do you insist on greeting about anything other people post if it’s not exactly the same viewpoint as you? Infact why do you even use a forum when you seem to take umbrage to the fact that not everybody has the same viewpoint as you?

[calumhibee1]

I wouldn't assume social media as being the barometer of opinion. Otherwise we're all either fascists or Marxists :greengrin

True :greengrin

[Bristolhibby]

No it's not. It's like saying what about mothers on father's day and what about fathers on mother's day or calling them both parent's day.

But with Mothers not having a “Day” at all and victimised for being female, regardless if they were Mothers or not.

J

[-Jonesy-]

Why do you insist on greeting about anything other people post if it’s not exactly the same viewpoint as you? Infact why do you even use a forum when you seem to take offence to anyone that doesn’t have the same viewpoint as you?
Doesn’t answer the question

[calumhibee1]

Doesn’t answer the question

Doesn’t answer mine either but I’ll not lose any sleep over that.

Besides, I think most folk in this thread would agree that the plane and its message weren’t racist so I’m not sure where you’re getting the defending a racists pish from seeing as I never defended the flying of the plane - I said it was a knobish thing to do - and that it’s not some form of racist act anyway.

[CropleyWasGod]

Doesn’t answer mine either but I’ll not lose any sleep over that.

Besides, I think most folk in this thread would agree that the plane and its message weren’t racist so I’m not sure where you’re getting the defending a racists pish from seeing as I never defended the flying of the plane - I said it was a knobish thing to do - and that it’s not some form of racist act anyway.

In the context of the current climate, I would disagree. IMO, it's overtly so.

[calumhibee1]

In the context of the current climate, I would disagree. IMO, it's overtly so.

As in isolated incident, which it has to be treated as - anything else is people putting two and two together to get the conclusion they want - it’s not racist.

[-Jonesy-]

Doesn’t answer mine either but I’ll not lose any sleep over that.

Besides, I think most folk in this thread would agree that the plane and its message weren’t racist so I’m not sure where you’re getting the defending a racists pish from seeing as I never defended the flying of the plane - I said it was a knobish thing to do - and that it’s not some form of racist act anyway.

Having a absolute laugh

[CropleyWasGod]

As in isolated incident, which it has to be treated as - anything else is people putting two and two together to get the conclusion they want - it’s not racist.

Had it been done, say, 5 years ago, I would agree.

But that's not the context now. To treat it as isolated, and nothing to do with BLM, would be naive.

[matty_f]

In the context of the current climate, I would disagree. IMO, it's overtly so.

I agree as well, it was most definitely racist.

[-Jonesy-]

Had it been done, say, 5 years ago, I would agree.

But that's not the context now. To treat it as isolated, and nothing to do with BLM, would be naive.

Naive, wilfully ignorant, borderline racist even?

[Hibrandenburg]

But with Mothers not having a “Day” at all and victimised for being female, regardless if they were Mothers or not.

J

Aye

[matty_f]

As in isolated incident, which it has to be treated as - anything else is people putting two and two together to get the conclusion they want - it’s not racist.

That's utter nonsense. It has to be treated as an isolated incident? Really?

That's straw clutching at an unbelievable level.

[neil7908]

I agree as well, it was most definitely racist.

Seconded. Again, the guys selfie with Tommy Robinson pretty much removes any tiny doubt as to the motives behind it.

[Future17]

As in isolated incident, which it has to be treated as - anything else is people putting two and two together to get the conclusion they want - it’s not racist.

If you're genuinely treating it as an isolated incident, it's not possible to come to an evidence-based conclusion on whether it's racist or not. You can't have it both ways.

[calumhibee1]

Naive, wilfully ignorant, borderline racist even?

That’s quite the accusation.

[Vault Boy]

That’s quite the accusation.

Somebody went to the trouble of organising a plane flyover in order to directly belittle the Black Lives Matter movement, I think the accusation is well founded. Let's not hesitate to call racists racist.

[hibsbollah]

As in isolated incident, which it has to be treated as - anything else is people putting two and two together to get the conclusion they want - it’s not racist.

:faf: now you’re being daft.

[lapsedhibee]

Some great comments and contributions from sources that you wouldn’t expect like Bertie Mee and Souness. Attitudes are shifting. There’s always going to be a backlash from certain people. That sort of response is as old as the problem itself, Nina Simone was banging on about Backlash Blues in the 1950s.

Certainly didn't expect Mee to make a contribution like that, what with him having been dead for nearly twenty years.

[Hibrandenburg]

Somebody went to the trouble of organising a plane flyover in order to directly belittle the Black Lives Matter movement, I think the accusation is well founded. Let's not hesitate to call racists racist.

:agree:

[hibsbollah]

Certainly didn't expect Mee to make a contribution like that, what with him having been dead for nearly twenty years.
:faf: good point. Now im being daft :greengrin what’s the fellies name?

[matty_f]

Somebody went to the trouble of organising a plane flyover in order to directly belittle the Black Lives Matter movement, I think the accusation is well founded. Let's not hesitate to call racists racist.

Absolutely.

[JeMeSouviens]

:faf: good point. Now im being daft :greengrin what’s the fellies name?

Ben Mee - not sure if he's ever said anything to Bill Shankleeeee?

[CapitalGreen]

As in isolated incident, which it has to be treated as - anything else is people putting two and two together to get the conclusion they want - it’s not racist.

Why must it be treated as an isolated incident?

[Hibbyradge]

Doesn’t answer mine either but I’ll not lose any sleep over that.

Besides, I think most folk in this thread would agree that the plane and its message weren’t racist so I’m not sure where you’re getting the defending a racists pish from seeing as I never defended the flying of the plane - I said it was a knobish thing to do - and that it’s not some form of racist act anyway.

It was overtly racist and was flown to stoke racism.

[CropleyWasGod]

It was overtly racist and was flown to stoke racism.

It was flown to Burnley.

And there should be a semi-colon after "stoke".

[Vault Boy]

It was flown to Burnley.

And there should be a semi-colon after "stoke".

It was flown to Manchester :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

It was flown to Manchester :greengrin

:not worth

Hoist by my own pedantry. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

:not worth

Hoist by my own pedantry. :greengrin

:na na:

[calumhibee1]

For all those that reckon it was racist - the company informed the police regarding the banner beforehand who had no issues with it.

Again, as I said earlier - an ******** thing to do. But not illegal and judging by the police not having an issue with it, also not racist in their book.

[Mibbes Aye]

For all those that reckon it was racist - the company informed the police regarding the banner beforehand who had no issues with it.

Again, as I said earlier - an ******** thing to do. But not illegal and judging by the police not having an issue with it, also not racist in their book.

Well that’s okay because they have an impeccable record on recognising what is and isn’t racism :greengrin

[matty_f]

Well that’s okay because they have an impeccable record on recognising what is and isn’t racism :greengrin

Yep, because of the police's approach to these things it's amazing there's even a need for BLM.

[Vault Boy]

For all those that reckon it was racist - the company informed the police regarding the banner beforehand who had no issues with it.

Again, as I said earlier - an ******** thing to do. But not illegal and judging by the police not having an issue with it, also not racist in their book.

The police didn't find it to be a hate crime - that has very little to do with whether it was racist or not.

Nick Griffin was allowed to be leader of the BNP without police intervention - he was racist too. Legalism isn't an effective measure of morality.

[matty_f]

For all those that reckon it was racist - the company informed the police regarding the banner beforehand who had no issues with it.

Again, as I said earlier - an ******** thing to do. But not illegal and judging by the police not having an issue with it, also not racist in their book.

The police allow Orange Walks. Which aren't racist but are definitely sectarian. I'm not sure it's a great barometer.

They also allowed the counter protests to the BLM protests.

Do you see where this is going?

[Hibbyradge]

For all those that reckon it was racist - the company informed the police regarding the banner beforehand who had no issues with it.

Again, as I said earlier - an ******** thing to do. But not illegal and judging by the police not having an issue with it, also not racist in their book.

It's not illegal to be a racist or to make racist comments..

[calumhibee1]

Well that’s okay because they have an impeccable record on recognising what is and isn’t racism :greengrin

But of course the punters on Hibs.net will see us right :rolleyes:

[Mibbes Aye]

But of course the punters on Hibs.net will see us right :rolleyes:

Well, I haven’t posted much on this thread but I have seen some well-reasoned, rational and articulate arguments and I have seen some people tying themselves in knots while simultaneously backing themselves into a corner, if you will excuse the mixed metaphors.

[calumhibee1]

It's not illegal to be a racist or to make racist comments..

Racist statements would most likely fall under hate speech which would make it illegal.

“ Something is a hate incident if the victim or anyone else think it was motivated by hostility or prejudice based on: disability, race, religion, transgender identity or sexual orientation”

Which last night would surely have had to fall under IF it was racist. As it was, even though they were informed beforehand, the police seen no reason to pull the plane being flown.

[neil7908]

Police looking at it:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/burnley-white-lives-matter-police-investigation-a4477316.html%3famp

Highly unlikely to be charged I'd imagine but they clearly see enough to consider the matter further.

[Berwickhibby]

The police allow Orange Walks. Which aren't racist but are definitely sectarian. I'm not sure it's a great barometer.

They also allowed the counter protests to the BLM protests.

Do you see where this is going?

Going to have to make a point of order the Police do not allow or authorise marches, police powers are pretty limited and any adjustment require reasonable grounds

The police have the power to:

limit or change the route of your march
set any other condition of your march

[Sir David Gray]

Police looking at it:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/burnley-white-lives-matter-police-investigation-a4477316.html%3famp

Highly unlikely to be charged I'd imagine but they clearly see enough to consider the matter further.

Unless there was something untoward about the flight itself, there's no way this will lead to any convictions.

[matty_f]

Going to have to make a point of order the Police do not allow or authorise marches, police powers are pretty limited and any adjustment require reasonable grounds

The police have the power to:

limit or change the route of your march
set any other condition of your march

Point taken. :aok:

Would the police have the authority to rule on a plane banner?

[CropleyWasGod]

Racist statements would most likely fall under hate speech which would make it illegal.

“ Something is a hate incident if the victim or anyone else think it was motivated by hostility or prejudice based on: disability, race, religion, transgender identity or sexual orientation”

Which last night would surely have had to fall under IF it was racist. As it was, even though they were informed beforehand, the police seen no reason to pull the plane being flown.

The police couldn't stop the flight, as nothing had happened at that point. Now it has, and they (possibly as the result of a complaint) are investigating.

[Hibbyradge]

Racist statements would most likely fall under hate speech which would make it illegal.

“ Something is a hate incident if the victim or anyone else think it was motivated by hostility or prejudice based on: disability, race, religion, transgender identity or sexual orientation”

Which last night would surely have had to fall under IF it was racist. As it was, even though they were informed beforehand, the police seen no reason to pull the plane being flown.

Katie Hopkins regularly makes overtly racist comments.

[calumhibee1]

The police couldn't stop the flight, as nothing had happened at that point. Now it has, and they (possibly as the result of a complaint) are investigating.

But they surely could have raised concerns regarding it when the company flying the plane contacted them to inform them of it. Instead it sounds like they had none.

A bit like saying the police couldn’t stop a murder as it hasn’t happened yet which I’m sure isn’t the case.

[calumhibee1]

Katie Hopkins regularly makes overtly racist comments.

Yup. I’m sure she doesn’t get the polices go ahead before posting them on twitter though. While the law may not be enforced as often as it should be - see your Katie Hopkins example - I very much doubt they’d be giving racist messages the go ahead beforehand when someone runs it by them.

[Hibbyradge]

Yup. I’m sure she doesn’t get the polices go ahead before posting them on twitter though.

What do you think were the motives of a man who is happy to be seen associating with arch racists?

[Hibbyradge]

Yup. I’m sure she doesn’t get the polices go ahead before posting them on twitter though. While the law may not be enforced as often as it should be - see your Katie Hopkins example - I very much doubt they’d be giving racist messages the go ahead beforehand when someone runs it by them.

It's not illegal to make racist remarks.

[Future17]

For all those that reckon it was racist - the company informed the police regarding the banner beforehand who had no issues with it.

Has this been confirmed by the police?


It's not illegal to be a racist or to make racist comments..

Whether or not it is illegal to make racist comments depends very much on the context in which such comments are made.

[Berwickhibby]

Point taken. :aok:

Would the police have the authority to rule on a plane banner?

Yes... if the banner was using offensive, abusive or threatening language. Imho regardless what your opinion is that banner does not reach criminal threshold for an arrest or charge.

[CropleyWasGod]

But they surely could have raised concerns regarding it when the company flying the plane contacted them to inform them of it. Instead it sounds like they had none.

A bit like saying the police couldn’t stop a murder as it hasn’t happened yet which I’m sure isn’t the case.

Did they raise concerns? That's not the same as stopping it

[Hibbyradge]

Has this been confirmed by the police?



Whether or not it is illegal to make racist comments depends very much on the context in which such comments are made.

Indeed. But it's not illegal, per se.

The police are now investigating the incident which casts some doubts over the veracity of the suggestion that the police gave the go ahead.

[Kato]

If the intent behind the banner wasnt racist I'm left wondering, what was?

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[Hibbyradge]

If the intent behind the banner wasnt racist I'm left wondering, what was?

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It was to promote unity and equality.

Which is why the guy who did it said that he's "not going to apologise to f*****g anybody".

[EAZY-ME]

It was a stupid thing to do with the way things are just now.. racism is a horrible thing but im starting to worry about the motives of the BLM movement and im now seeing and reading about more and more people distancing themselves from the movement altogether...black people and white people.

[Tobias Funke]

With respect CWG i think you are missing the point of BLM. A more accurate description of BLM would be that they are hijacking the civil rights movement of black people and using it for their own agenda.

You only need to look at what is happening in Chaz/Chop area in Seattle to see the reality of the 'BLM movement' - it's not quite the utopia of equality that the media suggests it is, in fact it is the opposite of that, its segregated by race, extortion, it has armed militias, armed guard's at the borders, and yet black people are still being killed in this area and there are no 'racist' police doing the killing.

If ALL people are to support the 'BLM movement' then IMO the movement needs to distance itself from the far left extremists & black nationalists that are currently surrounding it.

Can I pass my regards to whoever among the admin team that decided it was time to remove this sinister troll. Forum is a far better place without headcases like this.

[CropleyWasGod]

Can I pass my regards to whoever among the admin team that decided it was time to remove this sinister troll. Forum is a far better place without headcases like this.

I'm not going to defend him/her, or criticise the admin team's decision. However, I have a devil's advocate viewpoint.

I found a lot of the posts challenging, in that I was forced to examine my own opinions and actually verbalise them. That's not a bad exercise to do IMO.

[hibsbollah]

Can I pass my regards to whoever among the admin team that decided it was time to remove this sinister troll. Forum is a far better place without headcases like this.

I disagree. I’d started to enjoy his wee vignettes. Luciferians no more, lizards no more...

[EAZY-ME]

Can I pass my regards to whoever among the admin team that decided it was time to remove this sinister troll. Forum is a far better place without headcases like this.

Ive no idea what he/ she has been posting previously but a lot of what he or she has said in the post you highlighted is actually true.

[Berwickhibby]

GMP confirm that no offences have been committed

[hibsbollah]

Ive no idea what he/ she has been posting previously but a lot of what he or she has said in the post you highlighted is actually true.

No, what he was saying was pretty much completely word for word untrue. You might happen to personally agree with him, but thats a very different thing.

[matty_f]

No, what he was saying was pretty much completely word for word untrue. You might happen to personally agree with him, but thats a very different thing.

:agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

GMP confirm that no offences have been committed

One wonders if the perps might be a tad disappointed at that. Maybe wanted their day in Court?

[calumhibee1]

GMP confirm that no offences have been committed

No surprises there.

[Hibbyradge]

Remember "Justice for the 96"?

I wonder what would have happened if someone had started a "Justice for everyone" campaign...

[EI255]

One wonders if the perps might be a tad disappointed at that. Maybe wanted their day in Court?Poxy Yaxly likes his day in court, courting 'banter' on his way in and out (didn't like the dishing out he received in Luton High Street though [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787])

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[jonty]

But they surely could have raised concerns regarding it when the company flying the plane contacted them to inform them of it. Instead it sounds like they had none.

A bit like saying the police couldn’t stop a murder as it hasn’t happened yet which I’m sure isn’t the case.

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[StevesFamau5]

Sorry if I have upset or confused some but if the bit in bold is not ironic i don't know what is? Calling some one a troll by trolling them. As I said don't agree with skyhibs but that just seems silly.I wasn't trolling, I made an assumption based on the posters complete failure to understand but instead use the 'whataboutery' card.

Trolling would be to continue to use derogatory remarks and attempt to insult the poster instead of using some choice words and an example of why 'all lives matter' is utter horse s**t, which I feel I did.

I know people have strong opinions on both sides. I just find it almost incomprehensible that people seem to throw in ridiculous examples of things which have no bearing on the BLM movement.

IMO it is simple. Black lives matter is a movement and something that anyone who has a shred of humanity should try to understand and or support. It is not about black v white and the sooner we try to understand the better.

Like I said to the original poster. I very much doubt they or some of us on this board have ever been judged/abused or looked down at for the colour of our skin.

It is 2020 and there is a virus killing people worldwide, it doesn't discriminate on who it infects, so why is it ok as humans to do it?

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[The Modfather]

I disagree. I’d started to enjoy his wee vignettes. Luciferians no more, lizards no more...

That’s the type of post a true reptilian overlord pulling the strings of society would post.

Any coincidence that you posted it at 7.21? 721, divide that by 666 and you get 108. And as we all know,” 108 has long been considered a sacred number in Hinduism and yoga. ... Renowned mathematicians of Vedic culture viewed 108 as a number of the wholeness of existence”. Coincidence??

[lapsedhibee]

That’s the type of post a true reptilian overlord pulling the strings of society would post.

Any coincidence that you posted it at 7.21? 721, divide that by 666 and you get 108. And as we all know,” 108 has long been considered a sacred number in Hinduism and yoga. ... Renowned mathematicians of Vedic culture viewed 108 as a number of the wholeness of existence”. Coincidence??
108 also the freeview channel number of BBC Scotland, and David Icke used to work for BBC. Coincidence??

[Mibbes Aye]

108 also the freeview channel number of BBC Scotland, and David Icke used to work for BBC. Coincidence??

Four horsemen of the apocalypse. If you divide your 108 by four, you get 27. 2+7 makes nine, which is the same number of letters in the name ‘David Icke’.

You don’t need tin foil to see what’s going on here.

[Bostonhibby]

Four horsemen of the apocalypse. If you divide your 108 by four, you get 27. 2+7 makes nine, which is the same number of letters in the name ‘David Icke’.

You don’t need tin foil to see what’s going on here.So David Icke is going to Hearts as well?

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[Speedway]

Burnley are getting slaughtered on their Facebook page.

4.1k comments mostly against the BLM movement.

[calumhibee1]

Burnley are getting slaughtered on their Facebook page.

4.1k comments mostly against the BLM movement.

:agree:

Which is why I said earlier in the thread it was a tricky one for them to deal with. Whatever way they deal with it they’re going to look bad to a lot of people.

[CropleyWasGod]

:agree:

Which is why I said earlier in the thread it was a tricky one for them to deal with. Whatever way they deal with it they’re going to look bad to a lot of people.

They've already made up their mind how they're dealing with it. I don't suppose they'll lose much sleep over "looking bad" to people they disagree with.

[bigwheel]

Burnley are getting slaughtered on their Facebook page.

4.1k comments mostly against the BLM movement.

It’s no surprise to many that as the BLM cause has gone mainstream it is being repositioned from “radical” to “dangerous” and demonised by those who oppose its cause.

I’m sure Burnley FC will be very happy with which side of this argument they are supporting .

It’s quite telling that those who support the banner also seem to be anti BLM..who’d have thought....

[Speedway]

It’s no surprise to many that as the BLM cause has gone mainstream it is being repositioned from “radical” to “dangerous” and demonised by those who oppose its cause.

I’m sure Burnley FC will be very happy with which side of this argument they are supporting .

It’s quite telling that those who support the banner also seem to be anti BLM..who’d have thought....

It paints a rather disturbing picture though doesn’t it.

[calumhibee1]

They've already made up their mind how they're dealing with it. I don't suppose they'll lose much sleep over "looking bad" to people they disagree with.

They have indeed. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a tricky decision though when there’s been no laws broken, the incident didn’t happen in the stadium, the person responsible wasn’t in the stadium and a big chunk of your fan base is against it judging by social media.

[Hibbyradge]

They have indeed. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a tricky decision though when there’s been no laws broken, the incident didn’t happen in the stadium, the person responsible wasn’t in the stadium and a big chunk of your fan base is against it judging by social media.

They'll be guided by their morals, not the abhorrent views of racists, either in their support, or pretending to be.

[CropleyWasGod]

They have indeed. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a tricky decision though when there’s been no laws broken, the incident didn’t happen in the stadium, the person responsible wasn’t in the stadium and a big chunk of your fan base is against it judging by social media.

Where are you getting that?

According to the BBC.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-53140233

[calumhibee1]

Where are you getting that?

According to the BBC.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-53140233

There’s thousands upon thousands of posts on social media condemning their action against the fan.

Burnley’s own post regarding it has masses of comments from people not happy with it - from looking at the first 20 or so replies near enough all them other than one declaring gammons incoming are against it.

[CapitalGreen]

There’s thousands upon thousands of posts on social media condemning their action against the fan.

Burnley’s own post regarding it has masses of comments from people not happy with it - probably more than are supporting it.

Do you have to be a Burnley fan to leave a comment?

[calumhibee1]

Do you have to be a Burnley fan to leave a comment?

No. Are you likely to be a Burnley fan if you’re commenting on Burnley FCs posts? Yes.

People could claim the same when they see a poll on here. Nothing to say you have to be a Hibs fan to join but it would be a safe assumption to suggest that the majority are.

[matty_f]

It’s no surprise to many that as the BLM cause has gone mainstream it is being repositioned from “radical” to “dangerous” and demonised by those who oppose its cause.

I’m sure Burnley FC will be very happy with which side of this argument they are supporting .

It’s quite telling that those who support the banner also seem to be anti BLM..who’d have thought....

I'm seeing a big online attempt to demonise and discredit the BLM movement. It's as if there are people out there with a vested interest in continuing to oppress people.

[CropleyWasGod]

There’s thousands upon thousands of posts on social media condemning their action against the fan.

Burnley’s own post regarding it has masses of comments from people not happy with it - probably more than are supporting it.

How many of those commenting are football fans?

How many of that subset are Burnley fans?

How many of that subset are Burnley fans who feel strongly enough not to attend matches?


It's easy to criticise on social media. I would suggest that people tend to go on SM to complain, rather than support. Have there been any polls which gauge the actual feelings of Burnley fans?

[calumhibee1]

How many of those commenting are football fans?

How many of that subset are Burnley fans?

How many of that subset are Burnley fans who feel strongly enough not to attend matches?


It's easy to criticise on social media. I would suggest that people tend to go on SM to complain, rather than support. Have there been any polls which gauge the actual feelings of Burnley fans?

See my post above.

If people are commenting on a post on Burnley FCs page on Facebook, it’s a safe assumption to presume the majority of them are Burnley fans and therefore football fans, much like it’s safe to assume most people on here are Hibs fans and football fans. Of course not everybody will be but then not everybody on here is a Hibs fan.

[CapitalGreen]

No. Are you likely to be a Burnley fan if you’re commenting on Burnley FCs posts? Yes.

People could claim the same when they see a poll on here. Nothing to say you have to be a Hibs fan to join but it would be a safe assumption to suggest that the majority are.

Why? It’s gone viral to the extent that a Hibs fan in Edinburgh has seen it. If someone feels passionately enough about it, why would they refrain from commenting just because they are not a Burnley fan, I think you are smart enough to know that’s not how social media works.

Comparing a poll on a fans message board which requires sign up to a viral post on Facebook isn’t exactly a like for like comparison either.

[calumhibee1]

Why? It’s gone viral to the extent that a Hibs fan in Edinburgh has seen it. If someone feels passionately enough about it, why would they refrain from commenting just because they are not a Burnley fan, I think you are smart enough to know that’s not how social media works.

Comparing a poll on a fans message board which requires sign up to a viral post on Facebook isn’t exactly a like for like comparison either.

No, it hadn’t gone viral, i went to their page to read it when I typed my post about 15 mins ago.

It’s been all over social media, you don’t have to go looking for it. MOTD, Sky Sports etc are all posting on it and gathering masses of comments. The Burnley one has far less in the way of comments etc which would suggest it hasn’t went viral and a lot of the traffic is from folk that have probably already liked the page - probably because they’re fans of the club. Again, not all them, but it’s safe to assume a lot of them are.

[hibsbollah]

I'm seeing a big online attempt to demonise and discredit the BLM movement. It's as if there are people out there with a vested interest in continuing to oppress people.

:agree:

Meanwhile, every major multinational you can think of, from Nike Adidas Apple Netflix to Barclays Accenture and British Airways, as well as every sporting body, are falling over themselves to sign up to BLM, from just declaring support or in some cases looking at internal recruitment policy. (But BLM is radical left, apparently, despite all these gods of capitalism signing up)There’s a seismic change going on which would need more than a few angries on Facebook and Ben Bradshaw being a prick, to reverse.

[CropleyWasGod]

No, it hadn’t gone viral, i went to their page to read it when I typed my post about 15 mins ago.

It’s been all over social media, you don’t have to go looking for it. MOTD, Sky Sports etc are all posting on it and gathering masses of comments. The Burnley one has far less in the way of comments etc which would suggest it hasn’t went viral and a lot of the traffic is from folk that have probably already liked the page - probably because they’re fans of the club. Again, not all them, but it’s safe to assume a lot of them are.

Burnley aren't daft.

They will have weighed the consequences of some negative PR.... which results in what? Some people deciding that they don't want to go to Turf Moor any more; in a league where attendances are not that important in financial terms, that's not a great loss.

.........against the positive PR, which (in SM terms at least) tends to be relatively quiet. That positive PR has the potential to attract sponsorship and commercial opportunities.

And then there's morality.

It really wasn't a tricky decision to make.

[CapitalGreen]

No, it hadn’t gone viral, i went to their page to read it when I typed my post about 15 mins ago.

It’s been all over social media, you don’t have to go looking for it. MOTD, Sky Sports etc are all posting on it and gathering masses of comments. The Burnley one has far less in the way of comments etc which would suggest it hasn’t went viral and a lot of the traffic is from folk that have probably already liked the page - probably because they’re fans of the club. Again, not all them, but it’s safe to assume a lot of them are.

Just had a look at Burnley’s Facebook page.

Followers: 426,000
Comments on their statement: 2,400

Views of Ben Mee interview: 62,000
Comments on Ben Mee video: 3,400

Even if you assumed each individual only posted once, each comment was negative and all posters were genuine Burnley fans, you’d struggle to convince a judge that those commenting represent a large chunk of the Burnley support. As with most things on social media, the voices of the discontented minority are amplified while the silent majority go about their business.

[calumhibee1]

Just had a look at Burnley’s Facebook page.

Followers: 426,000
Comments on their statement: 2,400

Views of Ben Mee interview: 62,000
Comments on Ben Mee video: 3,400

Even if you assumed each individual only posted once, each comment was negative and all posters were genuine Burnley fans, you’d struggle to convince a judge that those commenting represent a large chunk of the Burnley support. As with most things on social media, the voices of the discontented minority are amplified while the silent majority go about their business.

We’ll agree to disagree. I can’t quite believe it’s ended up with us arguing whether the posters on Burnley’s Facebook post comments section are Burnley fans :greengrin

[Kato]

No. Are you likely to be a Burnley fan if you’re commenting on Burnley FCs posts? Yes.



Given the subject matter I doubt the "yes" there. Social media is full of divots, bots, multiple account holders and spammers just waiting to be outraged at Anti-Anti-Racism.



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[calumhibee1]

Given the subject matter I doubt the "yes" there. Social media is full of divots, bots, multiple account holders and spammers just waiting to be outraged at Anti-Anti-Racism.



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If we were talking about Burnley stories on sky sports or MOTD Facebook pages I’d agree. I personally think the suggestion that Burnley FC’s page is mainly comments from folk that aren’t Burnley fans is highly unlikely. If others disagree with that then fair enough.

[CropleyWasGod]

If we were talking about Burnley stories on sky sports or MOTD Facebook pages I’d agree. I personally think the suggestion that Burnley FC’s page is mainly comments from folk that aren’t Burnley fans is highly unlikely. If others disagree with that then fair enough.

In the current climate, I don't think that's an assumption that can be made.

[bigwheel]

I'm seeing a big online attempt to demonise and discredit the BLM movement. It's as if there are people out there with a vested interest in continuing to oppress people.

It’s very sophisticated..orchestrated and lots of resources thrown at it ..wonder why equality scares them so much ?

[JimBHibees]

Burnley aren't daft.

They will have weighed the consequences of some negative PR.... which results in what? Some people deciding that they don't want to go to Turf Moor any more; in a league where attendances are not that important in financial terms, that's not a great loss.

.........against the positive PR, which (in SM terms at least) tends to be relatively quiet. That positive PR has the potential to attract sponsorship and commercial opportunities.

And then there's morality.

It really wasn't a tricky decision to make.

Yep the decision was either to do the right thing or the wrong thing.

[JimBHibees]

It’s very sophisticated..orchestrated and lots of resources thrown at it ..wonder why equality scares them so much ?

There will be much more of that given the government in charge including Cummings IT analyst mates given huge public sector contracts.

[bigwheel]

There will be much more of that given the government in charge including Cummings IT analyst mates given huge public sector contracts.

Yep. It worked for brexit ..so no doubt the same sophisticated social media tactics of division will be being used today and in the future ...

[grunt]

I haven't been following this story or this thread, so apologies if this is already known.
The guy who organised the banner has been sacked from his job.
Whatever his job was (idk).

[matty_f]

I haven't been following this story or this thread, so apologies if this is already known.
The guy who organised the banner has been sacked from his job.
Whatever his job was (idk).

I would fully expect to be sacked from my job if I had done that as well. It would have been a clear breach of our inclusion and diversity policy.

[makaveli1875]

I would fully expect to be sacked from my job if I had done that as well. It would have been a clear breach of our inclusion and diversity policy.

In what way does it breach your companies inclusion/diversity policy. Asking for a friend

[matty_f]

In what way does it breach your companies inclusion/diversity policy. Asking for a friend

I don't know if you're being serious and genuinely need it explained?

[Hibrandenburg]

They have indeed. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a tricky decision though when there’s been no laws broken, the incident didn’t happen in the stadium, the person responsible wasn’t in the stadium and a big chunk of your fan base is against it judging by social media.

Hmmm, pacify racist ****ers or do the decent thing? :hmmm:

That's a difficult decision alright.

[CropleyWasGod]

I haven't been following this story or this thread, so apologies if this is already known.
The guy who organised the banner has been sacked from his job.
Whatever his job was (idk).

This could be the Court case they were wanting.

[Kato]

If we were talking about Burnley stories on sky sports or MOTD Facebook pages I’d agree. I personally think the suggestion that Burnley FC’s page is mainly comments from folk that aren’t Burnley fans is highly unlikely. If others disagree with that then fair enough.It's a far wider subject matter than just Burnley FC, and one that attracts the dregs of social media like flies around cack.

No?

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[JeMeSouviens]

I haven't been following this story or this thread, so apologies if this is already known.
The guy who organised the banner has been sacked from his job.
Whatever his job was (idk).

His gf also got called out for racist tweets, Her employer offered her diversity training but has ended up sacking her too.

[neil7908]

His gf also got called out for racist tweets, Her employer offered her diversity training but has ended up sacking her too.

Excellent.

[lord bunberry]

What a bizarre twist this thread has taken. People arguing about the legality of what happened and people arguing how this might effect Burnley because a lot of their fans might be racist. Surely everyone can agree that flying this banner was an attempt to devalue the black lives matter movement and should be called out for that.

[calumhibee1]

It's a far wider subject matter than just Burnley FC, and one that attracts the dregs of social media like flies around cack.

No?

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My logic is this :

If I was wanting to comment on something that Aberdeen, Rangers, Kilmarnock, wee teams like Alloa, Arbroath or Hearts have done, then I’d comment on it on pages like Sky Sports and BBC because I follow them so the stories would appear on my timeline through those channels. As far as I’m aware, that’s how most people I know use social media. They wouldn’t go onto Kilmarnocks Facebook page, which I of course wouldn’t follow and so I’d have to go and find the story rather than it being on my timeline, to comment on there. IMO, the same will apply here. Again, as such, I reckon it’s a safe bet that a lot of the comments on Burnley’s page are from Burnley fans.

Anyway, clearly a lot of folk don’t agree with that so we can agree to disagree. It’s also not largely important and I’m not sure how it’s went on for so many posts so apologies for taking the thread a bit off topic :greengrin

[Kato]

My logic is this :

If I was wanting to comment on something that Aberdeen, Rangers, Kilmarnock, wee teams like Alloa, Arbroath or Hearts have done, then I’d comment on it on pages like Sky Sports and BBC because I follow them so the stories would appear on my timeline through those channels. As far as I’m aware, that’s how most people I know use social media. They wouldn’t go onto Kilmarnocks Facebook page, which I of course wouldn’t follow and so I’d have to go and find the story rather than it being on my timeline, to comment on there. IMO, the same will apply here. Again, as such, I reckon it’s a safe bet that a lot of the comments on Burnley’s page are from Burnley fans.

Anyway, clearly a lot of folk don’t agree with that so we can agree to disagree. It’s also not largely important and I’m not sure how it’s went on for so many posts so apologies for taking the thread a bit off topic :greengrin

It seems like your logic doesn't stretch to the idea that racists, who have nothing to do with whatever club is involved, are attracted to racist/anti-racist posts on social media.

I dont agree to disagree. I think your logic is deeply flawed and either you are the most naive person on the internet or are just doubling down on a completely transparent point - racists will go anywhere to troll on social media no matter what the story or institution.

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[calumhibee1]

It seems like your logic doesn't stretch to the idea that racists, who have nothing to do with whatever club is involved, are attracted to racist/anti-racist posts on social media.

I dont agree to disagree. I think your logic is deeply flawed and either you are the most naive person on the internet or are just doubling down on a completely transparent point - racists will go anywhere to troll on social media no matter what the story or institution.

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Ok then, I’ll agree to disagree, you can do as you please. :aok:

[Speedway]

Burnley received about 100 or so requests for ST refunds as a result of them condemning the WLM banner.

Source: Guy who runs the media for Burnley FC.

Needless to say, the club aren’t losing any sleep over that number.

[Rocky]

If we were talking about Burnley stories on sky sports or MOTD Facebook pages I’d agree. I personally think the suggestion that Burnley FC’s page is mainly comments from folk that aren’t Burnley fans is highly unlikely. If others disagree with that then fair enough.
It appeared on my feed within hours of being posted because one of my Facebook friends (who's Welsh and supports Pompey) had commented on it. So I think it's safe to assume the comments could have been coming from far and wide.

Not that the team affiliation of the posters is particularly relevant in the grand scheme of things anyway. I understand that you perceive that the decision to make that statement was tricky, but you appear to be basing that on weighing up pros and cons. I'd like to think that Burnley took the very simple moral decision to publish it, which is what I would hope Hibs would also do in the same circumstances, regardless of how many punters it drove away.

[JeMeSouviens]

It appeared on my feed within hours of being posted because one of my Facebook friends (who's Welsh and supports Pompey) had commented on it. So I think it's safe to assume the comments could have been coming from far and wide.

Not that the team affiliation of the posters is particularly relevant in the grand scheme of things anyway. I understand that you perceive that the decision to make that statement was tricky, but you appear to be basing that on weighing up pros and cons. I'd like to think that Burnley took the very simple moral decision to publish it, which is what I would hope Hibs would also do in the same circumstances, regardless of how many punters it drove away.

:agree:

Plus you might lose a few ********s short term but how much long term damage does it do to you to have a fanbase riddled with EDL types?

[wpj]

I find some of the "apologists" of Burnley FC's stance sad. I commend Burnley for calling out the racist element in their support. Hopefully the season tickets cancelled go to football fans who are inclusive in their thinking.

[JimBHibees]

Yep. It worked for brexit ..so no doubt the same sophisticated social media tactics of division will be being used today and in the future ...

Absolutely.

[McD]

It appeared on my feed within hours of being posted because one of my Facebook friends (who's Welsh and supports Pompey) had commented on it. So I think it's safe to assume the comments could have been coming from far and wide.

Not that the team affiliation of the posters is particularly relevant in the grand scheme of things anyway. I understand that you perceive that the decision to make that statement was tricky, but you appear to be basing that on weighing up pros and cons. I'd like to think that Burnley took the very simple moral decision to publish it, which is what I would hope Hibs would also do in the same circumstances, regardless of how many punters it drove away.


I think Burnley will and should be quite happy to have these types of people not wanting to associate themselves with the club, and may well find as many new fans are attracted to Burnley because of the stance. They’ve certainly gained credit in my mind, for doing the right thing.

I also agree with you, I’d hope Hibs would do the same, and would feel disappointed (to put it mildly) if they didn’t

[Hibrandenburg]

I think Burnley will and should be quite happy to have these types of people not wanting to associate themselves with the club, and may well find as many new fans are attracted to Burnley because of the stance. They’ve certainly gained credit in my mind, for doing the right thing.

I also agree with you, I’d hope Hibs would do the same, and would feel disappointed (to put it mildly) if they didn’t

I love Hibs, I identify as a Hibby and I've inherited that from a few generations of Hibbies, but I'd be gone in a minute if they ever endorsed or accepted that kind of racist rubbish. Fortunately I'll never have to because it's not in our DNA and should never be allowed to be.

[McD]

I love Hibs, I identify as a Hibby and I've inherited that from a few generations of Hibbies, but I'd be gone in a minute if they ever endorsed or accepted that kind of racist rubbish. Fortunately I'll never have to because it's not in our DNA and should never be allowed to be.


totally agree:aok: