Dame Vera Lynn

[Sir David Gray]

Died aged 103.

[Mick O'Rourke]

RIP Vera Lynn

We'll meet again

[-Jonesy-]

https://twitter.com/daftlimmy/status/1273538487770365953?s=21

[Logie Green]

Or as the Eskimos sing when they sit down for their tea “whale meat again”. 🤡

[heretoday]

Or as the Eskimos sing when they sit down for their tea “whale meat again”. 🤡

As offices and factories closed throughout the eighties that song must have been the most sung in the country. Still is I guess!

[Colr]

I’m sure was a fine person and her contribution to moral in a very dark time is estimable.

However, I’ve come to loath the English wartime love in that those songs inspire amongst people who weren’t even alive at the time.

[-Jonesy-]

I’m sure was a fine person and her contribution to moral in a very dark time is estimable.

However, I’ve come to loath the English wartime love in that those songs inspire amongst people who weren’t even alive at the time.

Pretty much my feelings exactly, if it wasn’t for boomers singing it waving union jacks crying nostalgia for a war they were never a part of I don’t think I’d have any idea who she is.

[lapsedhibee]

However, I’ve come to loath the English wartime love in that those songs inspire amongst people who weren’t even alive at the time.

Better not watch the tellybox on the day of her funeral! Or a whole week of it, if Cummings gets involved.

[JimBHibees]

I’m sure was a fine person and her contribution to moral in a very dark time is estimable.

However, I’ve come to loath the English wartime love in that those songs inspire amongst people who weren’t even alive at the time.

Agree that will be another month of BBC news coverage sorted.

[hibsbollah]

I liked her early stuff.

[Hibrandenburg]

She was the forces sweetheart and raised moral amongst the troops at our darkest hour. Her contribution to the war effort cannot be calculated but it was definitely significant. All the more tragic that her legacy will be tarnished by our own home grown fascists hijacking its symbolism. RIP Vera.

[G B Young]

I’m sure was a fine person and her contribution to moral in a very dark time is estimable.

However, I’ve come to loath the English wartime love in that those songs inspire amongst people who weren’t even alive at the time.

Seems a harsh line of criticism. I always loved hearing my dad and my grandfather's tales of the Famous Five and singing Glory Glory to the Hibees despite the fact I wasn't alive at the time. How about Flower of Scotland? Where do the Corries and Scottish football and rugby fans get off with their 'love-in' about Bannockburn when they weren't even there?

More seriously, a lot of folk will have heard Vera Lynn's songs and been told about her by parents, grandparents etc who WERE alive at the time and for whom the music meant a lot. Is a certain amount of nostalgia not permitted here? I imagine there are plenty of Scottish families who also embraced her songs.

She was a plumber's daughter (he said having just checked her biog :greengrin) who went on to become probably the UK's most iconic singer, brought comfort to many and played a key role in maintaining morale among our armed services. While I can't imagine myself ever sitting back and listening to her greatest hits aren't we just allowed to say RIP to somebody whose contribution to our national life was a positive one?

[Scouse Hibee]

I’m sure was a fine person and her contribution to moral in a very dark time is estimable.

However, I’ve come to loath the English wartime love in that those songs inspire amongst people who weren’t even alive at the time.

What about the Scottish wartime love in, does that sit well with you?

[Sir David Gray]

Seems a harsh line of criticism. I always loved hearing my dad and my grandfather's tales of the Famous Five and singing Glory Glory to the Hibees despite the fact I wasn't alive at the time. How about Flower of Scotland? Where do the Corries and Scottish football and rugby fans get off with their 'love-in' about Bannockburn when they weren't even there?

More seriously, a lot of folk will have heard Vera Lynn's songs and been told about her by parents, grandparents etc who WERE alive at the time and for whom the music meant a lot. Is a certain amount of nostalgia not permitted here? I imagine there are plenty of Scottish families who also embraced her songs.

She was a plumber's daughter (he said having just checked her biog :greengrin) who went on to become probably the UK's most iconic singer, brought comfort to many and played a key role in maintaining morale among our armed services. While I can't imagine myself ever sitting back and listening to her greatest hits aren't we just allowed to say RIP to somebody whose contribution to our national life was a positive one?

:agree: I'd say it's unbelievable but it's sadly not.

[Colr]

What about the Scottish wartime love in, does that sit well with you?

I’m seldom exposed to it if it exists - others on here will attest.

[Scouse Hibee]

I’m seldom exposed to it if it exists - others on here will attest.

😂

[lapsedhibee]

What about the Scottish wartime love in, does that sit well with you?

Example pls? Not sure what you're referring to here.

[Scouse Hibee]

Example pls? Not sure what you're referring to here.

I’m referring to the fact that there was no need to use the term English, wartime love in would have explained the point just the same.

[lapsedhibee]

I’m referring to the fact that there was no need to use the term English, wartime love in would have explained the point just the same.

Ah, fair point :aok:

I know the fixture doesn't happen very often, but does the Tartan Army sing about German Bombers when Scotland play Germany at soccerball?

[Scouse Hibee]

Ah, fair point :aok:

I know the fixture doesn't happen very often, but does the Tartan Army sing about German Bombers when Scotland play Germany at soccerball?

I haven’t got a clue what the Tartan army sing, not really sure it’s relevant unless you are implying the poster I replied to is a member of the Tartan Army and so is therefore used to using the word English as a derogatory description? 😁

[The Modfather]

Ah, fair point :aok:

I know the fixture doesn't happen very often, but does the Tartan Army sing about German Bombers when Scotland play Germany at soccerball?

As someone who has followed Scotland a lot over the last decade, and was in Dortmund for the game a few years ago, I can attest that stuff about WW2 or German bombers etc has never been evident.

[RyeSloan]

Seems a harsh line of criticism. I always loved hearing my dad and my grandfather's tales of the Famous Five and singing Glory Glory to the Hibees despite the fact I wasn't alive at the time. How about Flower of Scotland? Where do the Corries and Scottish football and rugby fans get off with their 'love-in' about Bannockburn when they weren't even there?

More seriously, a lot of folk will have heard Vera Lynn's songs and been told about her by parents, grandparents etc who WERE alive at the time and for whom the music meant a lot. Is a certain amount of nostalgia not permitted here? I imagine there are plenty of Scottish families who also embraced her songs.

She was a plumber's daughter (he said having just checked her biog :greengrin) who went on to become probably the UK's most iconic singer, brought comfort to many and played a key role in maintaining morale among our armed services. While I can't imagine myself ever sitting back and listening to her greatest hits aren't we just allowed to say RIP to somebody whose contribution to our national life was a positive one?

Good post GB, well said.

[Pretty Boy]

I wish everything didn't have to end up in a circular debate that isn't going to go anywhere.

I recall older relatives speaking fondly of 'We'll Meet Again' when I was growing up. It still seemed to stir a real emotion in them. Vera Lynn's contribution to the war effort probably can't be measured but in terms of morale it was undoubtedly significant. The actions of other people are largely irrelevant when assessing the life she led.

RIP.

[Hibrandenburg]

The actions of other people are largely irrelevant when assessing the life she led.


I really wish that were true, and it probably is for those who will see her legacy objectively, however as someone whose image epitomizes the WW2 era in a positive way, it won't be long until that is used for political gain by British Nationalists.

[marinello59]

Seems a harsh line of criticism. I always loved hearing my dad and my grandfather's tales of the Famous Five and singing Glory Glory to the Hibees despite the fact I wasn't alive at the time. How about Flower of Scotland? Where do the Corries and Scottish football and rugby fans get off with their 'love-in' about Bannockburn when they weren't even there?

More seriously, a lot of folk will have heard Vera Lynn's songs and been told about her by parents, grandparents etc who WERE alive at the time and for whom the music meant a lot. Is a certain amount of nostalgia not permitted here? I imagine there are plenty of Scottish families who also embraced her songs.

She was a plumber's daughter (he said having just checked her biog :greengrin) who went on to become probably the UK's most iconic singer, brought comfort to many and played a key role in maintaining morale among our armed services. While I can't imagine myself ever sitting back and listening to her greatest hits aren't we just allowed to say RIP to somebody whose contribution to our national life was a positive one?

Well said.

[Bristolhibby]

I’m sure was a fine person and her contribution to moral in a very dark time is estimable.

However, I’ve come to loath the English wartime love in that those songs inspire amongst people who weren’t even alive at the time.

The D-Day Darlings spring to mind.

BOLT!

J

[bigwheel]

I’m referring to the fact that there was no need to use the term English, wartime love in would have explained the point just the same.

I think it is reasonable point the poster was making ...suspect he is referring to the “rule Britannia, good old empire” rhetoric that often goes along with wartime and British sing alongs in England.

There isn’t the same tone in most parts of a Scotland , outside the unionist sections. I get a sense that There is a different feel about remembering, less about empire and “good ol’ Blighty “..its usually based around stories of Scottish bravery against the odds, than empire style songs ..

Vera Lynn deserves respect though ..she seemed to recognise she had an important role and also seemed to have played that role with heart and decency [emoji120][emoji109]

[Colr]

Anyway, there will be no bluebirds over the White Cliffs of Dover.

The species is only indigenous to the Americas.

[Mibbes Aye]

Anyway, there will be no bluebirds over the White Cliffs of Dover.

The species is only indigenous to the Americas.

Because of getting Brexit done, I think you will find we will start to get bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover. They will undoubtedly be chlorinated, but a trade deal is a trade deal.

[Kato]

I liked her early stuff.The b-sides and outtakes comp is rad.

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[Keith_M]

The Tory Party are going to latch on to this in the same manner they do when there's a royal birth, death or wedding.

Anything to distract from the mess they're making of running this country.


I wouldn't be surprised if her life is celebrated by the EDL/LDL thugs that also hijack the memory of the war dead, to cynically push their own British Nationalist agenda.

These are the same people that sing songs about German Bombers and other idiotic stuff like that.

[JeMeSouviens]

The Tory Party are going to latch on to this in the same manner they do when there's a royal birth, death or wedding.

Anything to distract from the mess they're making of running this country.


I wouldn't be surprised if her life is celebrated by the EDL/LDL thugs that also hijack the memory of the war dead, to cynically push their own British Nationalist agenda.

These are the same people that sing songs about German Bombers and other idiotic stuff like that.

https://twitter.com/giantpoppywatch/status/1273546067578097664?s=21

[Keith_M]

https://twitter.com/giantpoppywatch/status/1273546067578097664?s=21


omg

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/giantpoppywatch/status/1273546067578097664?s=21Great link in the replies.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2009/feb/19/vera-lynn-bnp-cd-court?__twitter_impression=true


The BNP, eh. Remember them? Tory voters now.

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