Revisionism

[hibby rae]

Just read the new Tom English article on the Hearts relegation and reconstruction saga, the historical revisionism has already begun! We've seen this sort of thing before, Rangers liquidation being a prime example as that is a word rarely ever mentioned these days.

Here's the article : https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

Two points I'll make on Tom English already changing the narrative:

What we had on Monday was 26 of the 42 clubs who couldn't bring themselves to back a plan that would have spared three of their own members no end of misery, a plan that every last one of them would have supported had they been the one cast into the dismal plight of enforced relegation.
Instead, they danced on the head of a pin for weeks, incapable of finding agreement on the number of clubs they wanted in each division or how many divisions or whether these divisions should be temporary or permanent. To paraphrase a line from Blackadder, in all of those discussions they made about as much progress as an asthmatic ant carrying some heavy shopping.
In Tuesday's endgame they didn't even get close to a consensus. All of them said they had sympathy for the three clubs but if they did they had a strange way of showing it. Few, if any, of them thought it was fair that the three should suffer such a blow, but only a small number acted on those beliefs. The rest just declared the problem unsolvable and pulled the ladder up

Here you can see he's creating a version of history that deflects from Hearts being the main instigators behind reconstruction, and instead is attaching blame to every other club. Whereas the vast majority of clubs have always rejected reconstruction, especially when more details have been clear to them.

Because Hearts are the biggest of the three clubs facing relegation, most of the attention has been on them. That suits the other clubs who have voted against reconstruction. They want the argument focusing on Hearts and not Partick Thistle or Stranraer because it's easier to kick Hearts than it is Thistle, it's more convenient to bang on about Ann Budge - a misogynistic tone to some of it - and to mock Hearts' financial wastefulness and their awful decision-making than it is to confront the steepling injustice that is Thistle's situation.
That's a lot harder to face up to if you're one of the clubs who has done them in. So nobody really wants to spend much time talking about Thistle because it's uncomfortable. Maybe there's a bit of guilt there. Better to divert and bombard Hearts instead. Safer ground, that.

And here he creates another narrative, one of Hearts having the spotlight unwillingly thrust upon them by unscrupulous clubs. Tom English has written numerous articles covering this, I'd say he has been the biggest commentator on it. How many of his articles have centred on Hearts? How much coverage has he given to the other clubs?

The truth here is Hearts have been the centre of attention as they have been the instigators of the story, they have been the driving force of all attempts at reconstruction and they have channeled their resources at being the focus of the story, the number of statements released to the press attests to that.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of a false narrative being carried forwards in years to come now, again something Hearts are no strangers to, St Liedown anyone?

[Kato]

Just read the new Tom English article on the Hearts relegation and reconstruction saga, the historical revisionism has already begun! We've seen this sort of thing before, Rangers liquidation being a prime example as that is a word rarely ever mentioned these days.

Here's the article : https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

Two points I'll make on Tom English already changing the narrative:

What we had on Monday was 26 of the 42 clubs who couldn't bring themselves to back a plan that would have spared three of their own members no end of misery, a plan that every last one of them would have supported had they been the one cast into the dismal plight of enforced relegation.
Instead, they danced on the head of a pin for weeks, incapable of finding agreement on the number of clubs they wanted in each division or how many divisions or whether these divisions should be temporary or permanent. To paraphrase a line from Blackadder, in all of those discussions they made about as much progress as an asthmatic ant carrying some heavy shopping.
In Tuesday's endgame they didn't even get close to a consensus. All of them said they had sympathy for the three clubs but if they did they had a strange way of showing it. Few, if any, of them thought it was fair that the three should suffer such a blow, but only a small number acted on those beliefs. The rest just declared the problem unsolvable and pulled the ladder up

Here you can see he's creating a version of history that deflects from Hearts being the main instigators behind reconstruction, and instead is attaching blame to every other club. Whereas the vast majority of clubs have always rejected reconstruction, especially when more details have been clear to them.

Because Hearts are the biggest of the three clubs facing relegation, most of the attention has been on them. That suits the other clubs who have voted against reconstruction. They want the argument focusing on Hearts and not Partick Thistle or Stranraer because it's easier to kick Hearts than it is Thistle, it's more convenient to bang on about Ann Budge - a misogynistic tone to some of it - and to mock Hearts' financial wastefulness and their awful decision-making than it is to confront the steepling injustice that is Thistle's situation.
That's a lot harder to face up to if you're one of the clubs who has done them in. So nobody really wants to spend much time talking about Thistle because it's uncomfortable. Maybe there's a bit of guilt there. Better to divert and bombard Hearts instead. Safer ground, that.

And here he creates another narrative, one of Hearts having the spotlight unwillingly thrust upon them by unscrupulous clubs. Tom English has written numerous articles covering this, I'd say he has been the biggest commentator on it. How many of his articles have centred on Hearts? How much coverage has he given to the other clubs?

The truth here is Hearts have been the centre of attention as they have been the instigators of the story, they have been the driving force of all attempts at reconstruction and they have channeled their resources at being the focus of the story, the number of statements released to the press attests to that.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of a false narrative being carried forwards in years to come now, again something Hearts are no strangers to, St Liedown anyone?But no one at the BBC is biased though. ...

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[The 90+2]

But no one at the BBC is biased though. ...

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Hearts actually think the bbc are against them and added to the list of clubs and companies they hope to destroy. (They have history in doing so, just check the creditors list).

[hibby rae]

Hearts actually think the bbc are against them and added to the list of clubs and companies they hope to destroy. (They have history in doing so, just check the creditors list).

Remember they also destroyed the German Empire.

[jacomo]

Tom English needs to resign.

If you are BBC Scotland’s chief sports writer, it is incumbent on you to acknowledge and reflect on different opinions. Not pick a side and relentlessly argue that side.

As others have pointed out, he’s indulging in a fair bit of revisionism in his piece, so not even reporting the facts. The unevidenced accusation of misogyny is a disgrace. What kind of journalist is he?

Budge accepted a leadership role in the reconstruction task force. It failed.

She eventually put together her own proposal - the other clubs showed great patience in giving her extra time to do this - and it was an incoherent, unfinished mess. The clubs couldn’t even vote on it.

Then the Rangers put forward a plan, and the SPFL took that and tried to find a way for enough clubs to vote through change based on a 14 team top league. It failed.

Meanwhile, Budge threw insults, threats and attempted bribes from the touchline.

Do you think the problem might be you, Ann Budge?

[Kato]

Hearts actually think the bbc are against them and added to the list of clubs and companies they hope to destroy. (They have history in doing so, just check the creditors list).They have a list?

What are they going to do - run up lots of debt against those companies then go into admin?

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[The 90+2]

Remember they also destroyed the German Empire.

:greengrin

[The 90+2]

They have a list?

What are they going to do - run up lots of debt against those companies then go into admin?

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From what I can see they want to destroy the whole of Scottish football and boycott Sky/BBC/EEN and all sponsors of every club who voted for their demise as well as boycotting the Scottish cup and ruining the tournament.

They can use the past businesses as references As to how serious they are at doing so.

They’re the sideshow bob of Scottish football.

[PatHead]

Remember they also destroyed the German Empire.

Wish they would stop pushing reconstruction and just give us the cure to Covid 19. It is within their capabilities.

[hibby rae]

From what I can see they want to destroy the whole of Scottish football and boycott Sky/BBC/EEN and all sponsors of every club who voted for their demise as well as boycotting the Scottish cup and ruining the tournament.

They can use the past businesses as references As to how serious they are at doing so.

They’re the sideshow bob of Scottish football.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

[Onion]

He's just a sad ****er that's not dealt well with lockdown. He and Budge need medical help.

[Cabbage East]

We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?

[Lago]

Just read the new Tom English article on the Hearts relegation and reconstruction saga, the historical revisionism has already begun! We've seen this sort of thing before, Rangers liquidation being a prime example as that is a word rarely ever mentioned these days.

Here's the article : https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

Two points I'll make on Tom English already changing the narrative:

What we had on Monday was 26 of the 42 clubs who couldn't bring themselves to back a plan that would have spared three of their own members no end of misery, a plan that every last one of them would have supported had they been the one cast into the dismal plight of enforced relegation.
Instead, they danced on the head of a pin for weeks, incapable of finding agreement on the number of clubs they wanted in each division or how many divisions or whether these divisions should be temporary or permanent. To paraphrase a line from Blackadder, in all of those discussions they made about as much progress as an asthmatic ant carrying some heavy shopping.
In Tuesday's endgame they didn't even get close to a consensus. All of them said they had sympathy for the three clubs but if they did they had a strange way of showing it. Few, if any, of them thought it was fair that the three should suffer such a blow, but only a small number acted on those beliefs. The rest just declared the problem unsolvable and pulled the ladder up

Here you can see he's creating a version of history that deflects from Hearts being the main instigators behind reconstruction, and instead is attaching blame to every other club. Whereas the vast majority of clubs have always rejected reconstruction, especially when more details have been clear to them.

Because Hearts are the biggest of the three clubs facing relegation, most of the attention has been on them. That suits the other clubs who have voted against reconstruction. They want the argument focusing on Hearts and not Partick Thistle or Stranraer because it's easier to kick Hearts than it is Thistle, it's more convenient to bang on about Ann Budge - a misogynistic tone to some of it - and to mock Hearts' financial wastefulness and their awful decision-making than it is to confront the steepling injustice that is Thistle's situation.
That's a lot harder to face up to if you're one of the clubs who has done them in. So nobody really wants to spend much time talking about Thistle because it's uncomfortable. Maybe there's a bit of guilt there. Better to divert and bombard Hearts instead. Safer ground, that.

And here he creates another narrative, one of Hearts having the spotlight unwillingly thrust upon them by unscrupulous clubs. Tom English has written numerous articles covering this, I'd say he has been the biggest commentator on it. How many of his articles have centred on Hearts? How much coverage has he given to the other clubs?

The truth here is Hearts have been the centre of attention as they have been the instigators of the story, they have been the driving force of all attempts at reconstruction and they have channeled their resources at being the focus of the story, the number of statements released to the press attests to that.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of a false narrative being carried forwards in years to come now, again something Hearts are no strangers to, St Liedown anyone?
John McGarry in the mail on the same band wagon.

[Greencore]

We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?
The poppy fund appeal.

[nonshinyfinish]

We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?

FBK Kaunas
FC Partizan Minsk

Did Romanov's basketball team go down with the sub as well? Not sure if they survived or not.

[GRA]

Just read the new Tom English article on the Hearts relegation and reconstruction saga, the historical revisionism has already begun! We've seen this sort of thing before, Rangers liquidation being a prime example as that is a word rarely ever mentioned these days.

Here's the article : https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

Two points I'll make on Tom English already changing the narrative:

What we had on Monday was 26 of the 42 clubs who couldn't bring themselves to back a plan that would have spared three of their own members no end of misery, a plan that every last one of them would have supported had they been the one cast into the dismal plight of enforced relegation.
Instead, they danced on the head of a pin for weeks, incapable of finding agreement on the number of clubs they wanted in each division or how many divisions or whether these divisions should be temporary or permanent. To paraphrase a line from Blackadder, in all of those discussions they made about as much progress as an asthmatic ant carrying some heavy shopping.
In Tuesday's endgame they didn't even get close to a consensus. All of them said they had sympathy for the three clubs but if they did they had a strange way of showing it. Few, if any, of them thought it was fair that the three should suffer such a blow, but only a small number acted on those beliefs. The rest just declared the problem unsolvable and pulled the ladder up

Here you can see he's creating a version of history that deflects from Hearts being the main instigators behind reconstruction, and instead is attaching blame to every other club. Whereas the vast majority of clubs have always rejected reconstruction, especially when more details have been clear to them.

Because Hearts are the biggest of the three clubs facing relegation, most of the attention has been on them. That suits the other clubs who have voted against reconstruction. They want the argument focusing on Hearts and not Partick Thistle or Stranraer because it's easier to kick Hearts than it is Thistle, it's more convenient to bang on about Ann Budge - a misogynistic tone to some of it - and to mock Hearts' financial wastefulness and their awful decision-making than it is to confront the steepling injustice that is Thistle's situation.
That's a lot harder to face up to if you're one of the clubs who has done them in. So nobody really wants to spend much time talking about Thistle because it's uncomfortable. Maybe there's a bit of guilt there. Better to divert and bombard Hearts instead. Safer ground, that.

And here he creates another narrative, one of Hearts having the spotlight unwillingly thrust upon them by unscrupulous clubs. Tom English has written numerous articles covering this, I'd say he has been the biggest commentator on it. How many of his articles have centred on Hearts? How much coverage has he given to the other clubs?

The truth here is Hearts have been the centre of attention as they have been the instigators of the story, they have been the driving force of all attempts at reconstruction and they have channeled their resources at being the focus of the story, the number of statements released to the press attests to that.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of a false narrative being carried forwards in years to come now, again something Hearts are no strangers to, St Liedown anyone?

Just read it. He has actually lost the plot. So much for impartiality. Just doubling down on his view to save face. Would he be passionately pushing articles like this if it was Hamilton/St Mirren who were in last place? Now trying to tie in Particks situation for collateral. Truly incredible.

I've tried to give Tom E the benefit of the doubt over the last few weeks but his pre-Budge agenda is getting cringeworthy now.

The BBC can say goodbye to my license fee. Done with funding such nonsense.

[G B Young]

I see English manages to get a dig at Donald Findlay in there too. Presumably still fuming at how the Cowden chairman outwitted him with ease yesterday.

[G B Young]

Tom English needs to resign.

If you are BBC Scotland’s chief sports writer, it is incumbent on you to acknowledge and reflect on different opinions. Not pick a side and relentlessly argue that side.

As others have pointed out, he’s indulging in a fair bit of revisionism in his piece, so not even reporting the facts. The unevidenced accusation of misogyny is a disgrace. What kind of journalist is he?

Budge accepted a leadership role in the reconstruction task force. It failed.

She eventually put together her own proposal - the other clubs showed great patience in giving her extra time to do this - and it was an incoherent, unfinished mess. The clubs couldn’t even vote on it.

Then the Rangers put forward a plan, and the SPFL took that and tried to find a way for enough clubs to vote through change based on a 14 team top league. It failed.

Meanwhile, Budge threw insults, threats and attempted bribes from the touchline.

Do you think the problem might be you, Ann Budge?

Spot on.

[Vini1875]

I can understand why they feel aggrieved, as well as Partick Thistle and Stranrar. I even get what Tom English is on about. In the circumstances it is all very unfair, however in the present circumstances it is the least unfair outcome and that is what they are not getting. They are happy to inconvience the vast majority of clubs and create a set up which would have to be changed in a few years as the 14 team top tier was stupid. Tom English wears specs and I am guessing it is for short sightedness.

[Jack]

Has anyone suggested the BBC Fact Check team have a look at his article?

[Iain G]

In Tuesday's endgame they didn't even get close to a consensus.

Just to pull this out. The majority said no, they didn't have to all agree on the plan as with the simple rules of voting state that the thing that the most people vote for is the thing that gets the most votes and is the thing that wins out.

Where does it say everyone needed to agree? The only thing there has been consensus on as far as I have read is the "unanimous" voting by all of the clubs to end the season.

[EI255]

The man is an absolute arrogant sod.

If the votes has went the other way he'd still have had something to say.

Wish he'd go back to his (not very decent) rugby journalism instead of picking the pubes out of our game.

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[EI255]

Has anyone suggested the BBC Fact Check team have a look at his article?I fired in an official complaint to the BBC earlier in this saga and was told in no uncertain terms that Yam English is not biased and is impartial at all times, blah blah blah blah blah.....

Sorry, BBC but he's clearly not impartial if he's siding with a story that's now about to become a civil matter. A matter that he knows little about and certainly has not one iota what any outcome might be.

If there is one thing that is very, very annoying, it's a biased journalist.

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[Rumble de Thump]

The conduct of Tom English has been bizarre throughout this whole saga. It goes well beyond incompetence. He has been completely biased, and extremely venomous to anyone who won't disadvantage their own club to give Hearts a promotion they haven't earned and don't deserve.

The way he's carried on you would think he has a large financial investment in Hearts. For whatever reason, it's clear that his relationship with Ann Budge has become far too cosy for him to be even remotely impartial.

[Iain G]

The conduct of Tom English has been bizarre throughout this whole saga. It goes well beyond incompetence. He has been completely biased, and extremely venomous to anyone who won't disadvantage their own club to give Hearts a promotion they haven't earned and don't deserve.

The way he's carried on you would think he has a large financial investment in Hearts. For whatever reason, it's clear that his relationship with Ann Budge has become far too cosy for him to be even remotely impartial.

So much of this situation was in Hearts control. If they had won any other game all season they wouldn't have been bottom when Covid hit, if they had hired a competent manager who could have won them ONE other game, if they hadnt turned on their own Captain and damaged morale, if Budge had come up with a sensible and acceptable reconstruction plan when it was IN HER CONTROL TO DO SO, if they hadn't pissed off a number of clubs by the tone in their last proposal and maybe approached the whole thing with some humility instead of giving it the big I am routine and if she had sacked Levein / McPhee earlier even....

THREE MORE POINTS over the 30 games played would have been all it would have taken to avoid the drop. But they failed, completely and consistently to save themselves when they had multiple opportunities to do so.

But no its all the fault of the nasty SPFL and all the other nasty selfish clubs now and lackies like English are re-writing history to promote Saint Dr Mrs Budge and finger point at everyone else.

[bawheid]

We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?

Views of the castle.

[Rumble de Thump]

So much of this situation was in Hearts control. If they had won any other game all season they wouldn't have been bottom when Covid hit, if they had hired a competent manager who could have won them ONE other game, if they hadnt turned on their own Captain and damaged morale, if Budge had come up with a sensible and acceptable reconstruction plan when it was IN HER CONTROL TO DO SO, if they hadn't pissed off a number of clubs by the tone in their last proposal and maybe approached the whole thing with some humility instead of giving it the big I am routine and if she had sacked Levein / McPhee earlier even....

THREE MORE POINTS over the 30 games played would have been all it would have taken to avoid the drop. But they failed, completely and consistently to save themselves when they had multiple opportunities to do so.

But no its all the fault of the nasty SPFL and all the other nasty selfish clubs now and lackies like English are re-writing history to promote Saint Dr Mrs Budge and finger point at everyone else.

This is true. If the season had played out they were a stick on for relegation anyway. They really have been that bad.

[BH Hibs]

His articles should come with an opinion subheading. Mind you anyone who believes the BBC is unbiased nowadays.....

[delbert]

We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?

Harry Potter’s chances of ever winning any sort of medal
The noses of anyone who attempts to run up the staircase to nowhere !
The credibility of the phrases ‘glass curtain’ and ‘our own training facility’
Tom English’s career as a serious journalist

[norphy]

I fired in an official complaint to the BBC earlier in this saga and was told in no uncertain terms that Yam English is not biased and is impartial at all times, blah blah blah blah blah.....

Sorry, BBC but he's clearly not impartial if he's siding with a story that's now about to become a civil matter. A matter that he knows little about and certainly has not one iota what any outcome might be.

If there is one thing that is very, very annoying, it's a biased journalist.

Sent from my LG-H840 using TapatalkI sent in a complaint today too. Regards partisan reporting,not reporting other teams views and the inference that other chairmen are sexist misogynists...

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[tamig]

Just read the new Tom English article on the Hearts relegation and reconstruction saga, the historical revisionism has already begun! We've seen this sort of thing before, Rangers liquidation being a prime example as that is a word rarely ever mentioned these days.

Here's the article : https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53062777

Two points I'll make on Tom English already changing the narrative:

What we had on Monday was 26 of the 42 clubs who couldn't bring themselves to back a plan that would have spared three of their own members no end of misery, a plan that every last one of them would have supported had they been the one cast into the dismal plight of enforced relegation.
Instead, they danced on the head of a pin for weeks, incapable of finding agreement on the number of clubs they wanted in each division or how many divisions or whether these divisions should be temporary or permanent. To paraphrase a line from Blackadder, in all of those discussions they made about as much progress as an asthmatic ant carrying some heavy shopping.
In Tuesday's endgame they didn't even get close to a consensus. All of them said they had sympathy for the three clubs but if they did they had a strange way of showing it. Few, if any, of them thought it was fair that the three should suffer such a blow, but only a small number acted on those beliefs. The rest just declared the problem unsolvable and pulled the ladder up

Here you can see he's creating a version of history that deflects from Hearts being the main instigators behind reconstruction, and instead is attaching blame to every other club. Whereas the vast majority of clubs have always rejected reconstruction, especially when more details have been clear to them.

Because Hearts are the biggest of the three clubs facing relegation, most of the attention has been on them. That suits the other clubs who have voted against reconstruction. They want the argument focusing on Hearts and not Partick Thistle or Stranraer because it's easier to kick Hearts than it is Thistle, it's more convenient to bang on about Ann Budge - a misogynistic tone to some of it - and to mock Hearts' financial wastefulness and their awful decision-making than it is to confront the steepling injustice that is Thistle's situation.
That's a lot harder to face up to if you're one of the clubs who has done them in. So nobody really wants to spend much time talking about Thistle because it's uncomfortable. Maybe there's a bit of guilt there. Better to divert and bombard Hearts instead. Safer ground, that.

And here he creates another narrative, one of Hearts having the spotlight unwillingly thrust upon them by unscrupulous clubs. Tom English has written numerous articles covering this, I'd say he has been the biggest commentator on it. How many of his articles have centred on Hearts? How much coverage has he given to the other clubs?

The truth here is Hearts have been the centre of attention as they have been the instigators of the story, they have been the driving force of all attempts at reconstruction and they have channeled their resources at being the focus of the story, the number of statements released to the press attests to that.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of a false narrative being carried forwards in years to come now, again something Hearts are no strangers to, St Liedown anyone?

So much wrong with that article - but not unexpected. The way its worded is that reconstruction was the only option available. His biggest fault is implying that in order to save all three clubs, anybody with an ounce of decency would have voted in favour of this ludicrous 14 team league - on a permanent basis - yesterday. Why would anyone vote for that shambles just to save three teams? In every crisis there are losers. Thats how it is.

The man is a clown and his reputation has bombed with the stance he’s taken since March. I have lost all respect for him and I’m not alone.

[calumhibee1]

“ Had Ross Country continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th and were then robbed of a chance to rescue themselves because of the pandemic would MacGregor be practising what he's now preaching about taking his medicine or would he be highlighting a wrong and calling for support? It doesn't matter who the afflicted clubs are, no properly functioning governing body - one that purports to act in the interests of 42 clubs - would stand over this decision.”

Let’s flip that one round, Tom. Had Ross County continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th, would Hearts, Anne Budge, yourself and all your media pals and the knuckle dragging Hearts fans be practicing what they’re preaching? Would they have voted for reconstruction to an absolutely terrible league set up that we’d be permanently stuck with?

Would. They. ****.

Also, the tears of Tom English are almost more beautiful than the tears of Hearts fans.

[tamig]

“ Had Ross Country continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th and were then robbed of a chance to rescue themselves because of the pandemic would MacGregor be practising what he's now preaching about taking his medicine or would he be highlighting a wrong and calling for support? It doesn't matter who the afflicted clubs are, no properly functioning governing body - one that purports to act in the interests of 42 clubs - would stand over this decision.”

Let’s flip that one round, Tom. Had Ross County continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th, would Hearts, Anne Budge, yourself and all your media pals and the knuckle dragging Hearts fans be practicing what they’re preaching? Would they have voted for reconstruction to an absolutely terrible league set up that we’d be permanently stuck with?

Would. They. ****.

Also, the tears of Tom English are almost more beautiful than the tears of Hearts fans.

100%. The hypocrisy on show throughout this sham has been there for all to see. Disgraceful behaviour from English and his colleagues and their maroon balloon heroes.

[The Count]

If you look at the Scottish press over the last good few years Hibs a well run club is hardly ever praised.Yet Hearts who have been badly ran are constantly praised in the media.So does the Scottish media have a Hearts bias or am i being paranoid.It really grates me how they get so much positive airtime.

[Sammy7nil]

If you look at the Scottish press over the last good few years Hibs a well run club is hardly ever praised.Yet Hearts who have been badly ran are constantly praised in the media.So does the Scottish media have a Hearts bias or am i being paranoid.It really grates me how they get so much positive airtime.

Just have to look at BBC biscuits is allowed praise Hearts week after week and when he is not doing that somehow he is allowed to do open all mics on Hibs games where he could not be less enthusiastic when we score or gleeful when we conceded.

[Tug Wilson]

“ Had Ross Country continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th and were then robbed of a chance to rescue themselves because of the pandemic would MacGregor be practising what he's now preaching about taking his medicine or would he be highlighting a wrong and calling for support? It doesn't matter who the afflicted clubs are, no properly functioning governing body - one that purports to act in the interests of 42 clubs - would stand over this decision.”

Let’s flip that one round, Tom. Had Ross County continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th, would Hearts, Anne Budge, yourself and all your media pals and the knuckle dragging Hearts fans be practicing what they’re preaching? Would they have voted for reconstruction to an absolutely terrible league set up that we’d be permanently stuck with?

Would. They. ****.

Also, the tears of Tom English are almost more beautiful than the tears of Hearts fans.

It is amazing that the 3 clubs that care most for the state of Scottish football and are not run for their own self interest are also the ones at the bottom of each league.

[calumhibee1]

It is amazing that the 3 clubs that care most for the state of Scottish football and are not run for their own self interest are also the ones at the bottom of each league.

They care that much about the rest of us that they wanted to make sure none of us had to fight this fight. :agree:

[EI255]

Isn't it funny how the Jumbos are perceived by the BBC and their pals to be Scotlands great old footballing institution, that everyone loves and cares about.

English and his BBC fixers wouldn't give two hoots if this were just about any other club.

The more the prat opens his over used mouth, the more this nation of football lovers loathe the man.

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[Sas_The_Hibby]

I have no problem with newspaper journalists stating their opinion - I can choose to buy or not buy their papers.

The point is that the BBC is publicly funded and supposed to be "balanced".

I realise politics is more important than football (sorry! :greengrin ) but how come Emily Maitlis gets reprimanded for stating the bloody obvious truth about Dominic Cummings while English is allowed to ignore any alternative view to Hearts' one and pursue it relentlessly?

He shouldn't resign; he should be fired.

[EI255]

I have no problem with newspaper journalists stating their opinion - I can choose to buy or not buy their papers.

The point is that the BBC is publicly funded and supposed to be "balanced".

I realise politics is more important than football (sorry! :greengrin ) but how come Emily Maitlis gets reprimanded for stating the bloody obvious truth about Dominic Cummings while English is allowed to ignore any alternative view other than the Hearts one and puue it relntlessly?

He shouldn't resign; he should be fired.That the my principle point in my complaint to the BBC about English.

Really enjoyed Donald Findlay toying with him on yesterday's podcast. English doesn't have the first clue about Scots law, and didn't Findlay know it! [emoji16]

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[The 90+2]

We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?

Bosnian factory workers rings a bell.

Through the Key hole starring Craig Leveins medals?

John Robertson’s wife swap episode?

[Jonnyboy]

“ Had Ross Country continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th and were then robbed of a chance to rescue themselves because of the pandemic would MacGregor be practising what he's now preaching about taking his medicine or would he be highlighting a wrong and calling for support? It doesn't matter who the afflicted clubs are, no properly functioning governing body - one that purports to act in the interests of 42 clubs - would stand over this decision.”

Let’s flip that one round, Tom. Had Ross County continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th, would Hearts, Anne Budge, yourself and all your media pals and the knuckle dragging Hearts fans be practicing what they’re preaching? Would they have voted for reconstruction to an absolutely terrible league set up that we’d be permanently stuck with?

Would. They. ****.

Also, the tears of Tom English are almost more beautiful than the tears of Hearts fans.

Spot on, Calum :agree:

[greenlex]

Views of the castle.

A £1million pound pitch. Only took weeks.👏👏👏

[jax67]

[QUOTE=Cabbage East;6206667]We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?[.

[Lancs Harp]

Being English Im embarrassed about his surname. The bloke is a total d1ck.

[Sammy7nil]

I have no problem with newspaper journalists stating their opinion - I can choose to buy or not buy their papers.

The point is that the BBC is publicly funded and supposed to be "balanced".

I realise politics is more important than football (sorry! :greengrin ) but how come Emily Maitlis gets reprimanded for stating the bloody obvious truth about Dominic Cummings while English is allowed to ignore any alternative view to Hearts' one and pursue it relentlessly?

He shouldn't resign; he should be fired.

I think she got it in the neck because they were reporting news. Gary Linekar recently said on Twitter he could say what he likes as he does not report news and therefore no need for balance.

[Dashing Bob S]

I think the most charitable explanation is lockdown fever. English has often been a little idiosyncratic, but rarely a dummy. This has been sub Gerry McNee nonsense from start to finish. The old adage 'if you're in a hole, stop digging' has rarely been so blithely ignored, so consistently, and for so little reward. Almost nobody cares about this dead horse he's flogging. It's so bizarre.

[Topographic Hibby]

We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?Donald Findlay's phone number......Anne had it somewhere, but the life of her, she just can't find it??? Maybe he'll call her......:rolleyes:

[MGmick]

[QUOTE=Cabbage East;6206667]We need a definitive list of things Hearts have destroyed. I'll start:

The German Empire
Themselves
Lithuanian pension fund
Us, as a club, apparently

Anything else?[.

The necessity for a stairway to lead somewhere...............!

[G B Young]

Tom English needs to resign.

If you are BBC Scotland’s chief sports writer, it is incumbent on you to acknowledge and reflect on different opinions. Not pick a side and relentlessly argue that side.

As others have pointed out, he’s indulging in a fair bit of revisionism in his piece, so not even reporting the facts. The unevidenced accusation of misogyny is a disgrace. What kind of journalist is he?

Budge accepted a leadership role in the reconstruction task force. It failed.

She eventually put together her own proposal - the other clubs showed great patience in giving her extra time to do this - and it was an incoherent, unfinished mess. The clubs couldn’t even vote on it.

Then the Rangers put forward a plan, and the SPFL took that and tried to find a way for enough clubs to vote through change based on a 14 team top league. It failed.

Meanwhile, Budge threw insults, threats and attempted bribes from the touchline.

Do you think the problem might be you, Ann Budge?

I missed that on first reading. Yes, he just drops that in there doesn't he, referring to a 'tone of misogyny' about some of the comments made about Budge. As you say, where's the evidence of this? She's been called plenty names on here, but among journalists? Really? Could Tom English come up with examples of 'a misogynistic tone' if anyone pressed him on this claim? It's the vagueness here which reveals the weakness of his argument.

And the token attempts to mask his clear Hearts allegiances are wafer thin, referring to them as 'hopeless Hearts' but then trying to imply County were more deserving candidates to go down because they'd only won two games in 13 (a spell during which, apparently, Hearts accumulated more points. Conveniently he doesn't mention that Hearts didn't actually win more games than County in that period, nor that County won seven games in 30 compared to Hearts' 4).

As the OP has pointed out, he's attempting to create a new narrative around this saga but is running out of ways to make it even remotely credible.

[AndyM_1875]

I see English manages to get a dig at Donald Findlay in there too. Presumably still fuming at how the Cowden chairman outwitted him with ease yesterday.

Donald Findlay got Paul Ferris off in the High Court so outwitting a BBC hack peddling the gospel of Budge wouldn't have been too difficult for him.

Also It's interesting how a BBC Sports department at Pacific Quay have so bought into the Budge mantra and whole resurrection of Hearts post 2013 myth. I have no time for the Govan mob but consider the kicking they got compared with the "isn't this wonderful" puke making rhetoric that Richard Gordon & co came out with about Hearts. They were at one time pushing Budge as head of the SFA which is absolutely unbelieveable.

[Caversham Green]

“ Had Ross Country continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th and were then robbed of a chance to rescue themselves because of the pandemic would MacGregor be practising what he's now preaching about taking his medicine or would he be highlighting a wrong and calling for support? It doesn't matter who the afflicted clubs are, no properly functioning governing body - one that purports to act in the interests of 42 clubs - would stand over this decision.”

Let’s flip that one round, Tom. Had Ross County continued that trajectory and dropped to 12th, would Hearts, Anne Budge, yourself and all your media pals and the knuckle dragging Hearts fans be practicing what they’re preaching? Would they have voted for reconstruction to an absolutely terrible league set up that we’d be permanently stuck with?

Would. They. ****.

Also, the tears of Tom English are almost more beautiful than the tears of Hearts fans.

His logic is skewed there as well. If both Hearts and Ross County had continued their respective trajectories (as he puts it) County would still have ended up comfortably ahead of Hearts.

[jacomo]

Budge was against permanent reconstruction so I’m sure she applauded the good sense and judgement of the majority of clubs which agreed with her.

[Keith_M]

Being English Im embarrassed about his surname. The bloke is a total d1ck.


We forgive you


:wink:

[Keith_M]

Here's an interesting question that it seems nobody in the media has sought to ask.


If ICT are so against finishing the leagues based on points per game, and think that reconstruction to 14-10-10-10 is much fairer, then why should ICT be the team that was promoted, despite not being in the automatic promotion place?


What makes them so certain that Dundee (4 points behind ICT) or Ayr United (5 points behind ICT) couldn't possibly have caught them if the league was played to a conclusion?

The only reason it seems they could logically be chosen, as opposed to any of the other clubs in the Championship, was that they were in second place at the time the league was called. But surely they've already said that was unfair to decide league placings in that manner?


So how is that fair on those other clubs?

:hmmm:

[tamig]

Here's an interesting question that it seems nobody in the media has sought to ask.


If ICT are so against finishing the leagues based on points per game, and think that reconstruction to 14-10-10-10 is much fairer, then why should ICT be the team that was promoted, despite not being in the automatic promotion place?


What makes them so certain that Dundee (4 points behind ICT) or Ayr United (5 points behind ICT) couldn't possibly have caught them if the league was played to a conclusion?

The only reason it seems they could logically be chosen, as opposed to any of the other clubs in the Championship, was that they were in second place at the time the league was called. But surely they've already said that was unfair to decide league placings in that manner?


So how is that fair on those other clubs?

:hmmm:
ICT have a dick of a CEO. Its all moot now anyway.

[hibby rae]

Budge was against permanent reconstruction so I’m sure she applauded the good sense and judgement of the majority of clubs which agreed with her.

She has also been very vocal in the past about there being too many clubs in the SPFL, but I'm sure the change of heart was for entirely selfless reasons.

[Caversham Green]

She has also been very vocal in the past about there being too many clubs in the SPFL, but I'm sure the change of heart was for entirely selfless reasons.

I wonder if that influenced the way some of the lower league clubs voted.