Now is the time to support hibs

[HendoDelivered]

In terms of Ron, there is a lot of supporters questioning him, and rightly so but IMO we need to be realistic. Being worth as much as he is, do we really think he'd come all the way across the Atlantic just to **** us over and make a couple of million quid out of us? Let’s not be silly. We are a medium - long term project for him. He'll invest when the time is right (we know his vision/plans from the AGM), but only an idiot would lump money in just now. We need to give him the benefit of the doubt. Right now is the time more than ever, that we need to get behind everyone at the football club. So lets continue to keep doing that!

Better days will come again.

[matty_f]

In terms of Ron, there is a lot of supporters questioning him, and rightly so but IMO we need to be realistic. Being worth as much as he is, do we really think he'd come all the way across the Atlantic just to **** us over and make a couple of million quid out of us? Let’s not be silly. We are a medium - long term project for him. He'll invest when the time is right (we know his vision/plans from the AGM), but only an idiot would lump money in just now. We need to give him the benefit of the doubt. Right now is the time more than ever, that we need to get behind everyone at the football club. So lets continue to keep doing that!

Better days will come again.

Good post. There's a thousand easier ways for someone with his wealth to make money than to spend millions buying a football club.

[penihibs]

**** it im in too !

Good on you 🇳🇬🇳🇬

[Criswell]

Fantastic to see the momentum growing behind HSL. I've been a contributor since day one and recently upped my DD. We Are Hibs!

[HendoDelivered]

Fantastic to see the momentum growing behind HSL. I've been a contributor since day one and recently upped my DD. We Are Hibs!

Its all over twitter just now which is great to see!

[The Baldmans Comb]

I have no interest in HSL but have total respect for all contributors and the organisers.

I would rather Hibs just gave me some bank account details. Call it "donations account" and I would pay in directly.

Very simple and straightforward.

[Stuart93]

I have no interest in HSL but have total respect for all contributors and the organisers.

I would rather Hibs just gave me some bank account details. Call it "donations account" and I would pay in directly.

Very simple and straightforward.

It’s exactly the same thing?

You’d be contributing money to HSL who are then giving the money to hibs?

Strange post. Let’s leave the giving of bank details to them with no shame.

[The Baldmans Comb]

It’s exactly the same thing?

You’d be contributing money to HSL who are then giving the money to hibs?

Strange post. Let’s leave the giving of bank details to them with no shame.

I have no idea who HSL are other than a group of well meaning Hibs fans who have website they don't bother keeping up to date.

I keep reading comments that someone called Jim is a 'one man band' and have yet to see any accounts or structure or organization chart , minutes of meetings although I am sure some exist.

What on earth is so strange about cutting out the middleman and paying in a donation to Hibs every month or as a one off donation.

Why do I want to give money to HSL who then give it to Hibs. What purpose does the middleman serve?

I would prefer to donate directly and is that not exactly the same thing as HSL yet far more transparent , open and totally more efficient.

[Robbo6-2]

I have no idea who HSL are other than a group of well meaning Hibs fans who have website they don't bother keeping up to date.

I keep reading comments that someone called Jim is a 'one man band' and have yet to see any accounts or structure or organization chart , minutes of meetings although I am sure some exist.

What on earth is so strange about cutting out the middleman and paying in a donation to Hibs every month or as a one off donation.

Why do I want to give money to HSL who then give it to Hibs. What purpose does the middleman serve?

I would prefer to donate directly and is that not exactly the same thing as HSL yet far more transparent , open and totally more efficient.

That method doesnt exist.

Instead of moaning and spreading negativety, if you want to help the club over and above season ticket etc then the best way to do that is through HSL. If not then give the rest of us piece

[Jones28]

I have no idea who HSL are other than a group of well meaning Hibs fans who have website they don't bother keeping up to date.

I keep reading comments that someone called Jim is a 'one man band' and have yet to see any accounts or structure or organization chart , minutes of meetings although I am sure some exist.

What on earth is so strange about cutting out the middleman and paying in a donation to Hibs every month or as a one off donation.

Why do I want to give money to HSL who then give it to Hibs. What purpose does the middleman serve?

I would prefer to donate directly and is that not exactly the same thing as HSL yet far more transparent , open and totally more efficient.

Since RG took share purchases off the table for HSL it has become the vehicle to put money directly into the club. That is now it’s purpose. I’ve been critical of HSL for the website etc but my sub goes straight to the club, and at a time like this that’s all that matters.

[Ringothedog]

I have no idea who HSL are other than a group of well meaning Hibs fans who have website they don't bother keeping up to date.

I keep reading comments that someone called Jim is a 'one man band' and have yet to see any accounts or structure or organization chart , minutes of meetings although I am sure some exist.

What on earth is so strange about cutting out the middleman and paying in a donation to Hibs every month or as a one off donation.

Why do I want to give money to HSL who then give it to Hibs. What purpose does the middleman serve?

I would prefer to donate directly and is that not exactly the same thing as HSL yet far more transparent , open and totally more efficient.

You can get all the information regarding HSL on companies house, which details accounts, directors etc.

[The Baldmans Comb]

That method doesnt exist.

Instead of moaning and spreading negativety, if you want to help the club over and above season ticket etc then the best way to do that is through HSL. If not then give the rest of us piece


I am aware that method doesn't exist but my suggestion is that it should exist and that it is an additional to HSL not an alternative.

Those that want to donate through HSL continue to do so and those that want to donate directly to the club and cut out the middleman can then also do so.

In this way Hibs benefit as they get donations from two sources hence this is a second and different way to help the club above season tickets as the income generated will be far greater.

There is nothing negative about suggesting a simple and alternative way of donating funds as its not some sort of competition merely a different and more effective method. ui

[The Baldmans Comb]

You can get all the information regarding HSL on companies house, which details accounts, directors etc.

I am aware of that but the information is bland, functional and very much high level.

I have no problem with any of the directors or the structure and have no doubt they have the clubs best interests at heart.

However I have no interest in being a member or give any of my details to HSL and would rather just give my donation directly to Hibs.

A simple, straightforward transfer from one bank account to another which again is not a substitution to HSL merely an additional method but one that would see an increase in club funds.

I am aware the mechanism doesn't exist which is unfortunate but easily solved with just a little imagination.

[DC_Hibs]

I

What on earth is so strange about cutting out the middleman and paying in a donation to Hibs every month or as a one off donation.

Why do I want to give money to HSL who then give it to Hibs. What purpose does the middleman serve?

I would prefer to donate directly and is that not exactly the same thing as HSL yet far more transparent , open and totally more efficient.

I find it strange that you don’t cut out the middleman with the yapping on here rather than just contacting the club and donating to them directly.

That way we can leave this thread to those in favour of continuing the great job HSL have been doing the last week to raise cash for our club - 100% of which goes to them monthly.

Have a fabulous day now and mind get that cash handed over pronto.

[Ozyhibby]

I am aware of that but the information is bland, functional and very much high level.

I have no problem with any of the directors or the structure and have no doubt they have the clubs best interests at heart.

However I have no interest in being a member or give any of my details to HSL and would rather just give my donation directly to Hibs.

Simple, straightforward transfer from one bank account to another.

I am aware the mechanism doesn't exist which is unfortunate but easily solved with just a little imagination.

Pretty much the only detail you need to give HSL to send money is your email address.
HSL has faults with marketing and technology but one thing it can’t be criticised for is the efficiency which it gets the money to the club. There are no overhead worthy of the name. There probably should be, to improve the afore mentioned marketing and technology. Every penny makes it to Hibs. It is the best vehicle for getting money into the club.
I really would like the club to appoint a director from HSL after all this. We have one fans director now and HSL should provide another to represent the 15% of the club it owns and the fact it is putting regular cash into the club.



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[Brooster]

Wow.

[Phil MaGlass]

Pretty much the only detail you need to give HSL to send money is your email address.
HSL has faults with marketing and technology but one thing it can’t be criticised for is the efficiency which it gets the money to the club. There are no overhead worthy of the name. There probably should be, to improve the afore mentioned marketing and technology. Every penny makes it to Hibs. It is the best vehicle for getting money into the club.
I really would like the club to appoint a director from HSL after all this. We have one fans director now and HSL should provide another to represent the 15% of the club it owns and the fact it is putting regular cash into the club.



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This last 2 sentences totallu,and as for Baldmans Combe, I totally see where you are coming from, I have exactly the same feelings on the subject.

[The Baldmans Comb]

I find it strange that you don’t cut out the middleman with the yapping on here rather than just contacting the club and donating to them directly.

That way we can leave this thread to those in favour of continuing the great job HSL have been doing the last week to raise cash for our club - 100% of which goes to them monthly.

Have a fabulous day now and mind get that cash handed over pronto.

I find it equally strange your aggressive attitude to a very straight forward simple additional method to raising funds for Hibs.

I am trying my very best to "get that cash handed over pronto" by merely suggesting that it would suit my purposes to pay directly into a Hibs bank account.

This isn't a threat to the existence of HSL just an alternative and both schemes would go hand in hand so the club benefits from two different sources.

Your high handed attitude seems to be that its HSL or nothing whereas my suggestion is that both schemes working together would result in a far greater amount of income being generated.

Just contacting the club might work but what would work far better is for the club to sell the idea via their website and via marketing and in that way you reach a far greater number of supporters.

Again you have two schemes running in conjunction, one for HSL members and one for individual contributors.

Its not a competition, its about finding as many different ways of possible of bridging a £4m deficit.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Pretty much the only detail you need to give HSL to send money is your email address.
HSL has faults with marketing and technology but one thing it can’t be criticised for is the efficiency which it gets the money to the club. There are no overhead worthy of the name. There probably should be, to improve the afore mentioned marketing and technology. Every penny makes it to Hibs. It is the best vehicle for getting money into the club.
I really would like the club to appoint a director from HSL after all this. We have one fans director now and HSL should provide another to represent the 15% of the club it owns and the fact it is putting regular cash into the club.



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Thanks for that and I don't want to undermine HSL by getting into a discussion about the ins and outs of their structure.

I am sure it works for some people but its not for me.

I would just prefer to simply donate to the club. No fuss, no bother and hope in time Hibs drive a simple donation method via a bank account as the end game is clear in that no club can survive a £4million deficit on a long term basis.

[Golden Bear]

Thanks for that and I don't want to undermine HSL by getting into a discussion about the ins and outs of their structure.

I am sure it works for some people but its not for me.

I would just prefer to simply donate to the club. No fuss, no bother and hope in time Hibs drive a simple donation method via a bank account as the end game is clear in that no club can survive a £4million deficit on a long term basis.

:agree:

Likewise.

[Jones28]

Thanks for that and I don't want to undermine HSL by getting into a discussion about the ins and outs of their structure.

I am sure it works for some people but its not for me.

I would just prefer to simply donate to the club. No fuss, no bother and hope in time Hibs drive a simple donation method via a bank account as the end game is clear in that no club can survive a £4million deficit on a long term basis.

Why not donate via HSL in the short term, then if and when the club set up a function to give cash directly you can change?

[The Baldmans Comb]

Why not donate via HSL in the short term, then if and when the club set up a function to give cash directly you can change?

I would prefer just to contact the club direct and do it that way as I am sure they would accept donations though in time I would hope the club drive this as they can reach out to far more people.

I just have no interest in being part of HSL in any way shape or form but don't take that the wrong way as what they try to do is admirable but for me donating directly to the club works far better in terms of simplicity and clarity.

[flash]

Only need "ponzi" for HSL bingo full house.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Only need "ponzi" for HSL bingo full house.

It won't be coming from me as I have stated throughout my contributions to this thread that HSL is not without faults but fundamentally is an admirable organization and a useful way of channelling funds to the club.

I have suggested an additional and in my opinion a more simple and effective method but one that should be seen as very much additional and not as a competitive threat.

[Brooster]

I would prefer just to contact the club direct and do it that way as I am sure they would accept donations though in time I would hope the club drive this as they can reach out to far more people.

I just have no interest in being part of HSL in any way shape or form but don't take that the wrong way as what they try to do is admirable but for me donating directly to the club works far better in terms of simplicity and clarity.

Why not contact the club directly then because quite frankly you are boring everyone on this thread with your excuses.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Why not contact the club directly then because quite frankly you are boring everyone on this thread with your excuses.

There is nothing boring about suggesting additional ways to bring money into Hibs as they are facing their biggest challenge since the FTB takeover.

This is not about individuals so try not to make it personal about "making excuses". Try to think of Hibs supporters as a huge group of potential cash donations through goodwill and sense of belonging.

Argue your case at a much higher level and if you don't think a direct bank transfer straight to Hibs would work then give your reasons for it.

HSL still continues as its the most important donation mechanisim but I am suggesting an additional method which if driven by the club has the possibility of reaching more supporters and generating extra working capital to bridge the funding deficit.

That must surely be the end game we all want as supporters.

[lucky]

Why would Hibs waste time and resources setting up a scheme to allow fans to donate to the club when there’s already a vehicle available for fans to do so? Unless your going to donate several thousand then it’s unlikely Hibs will entertain you.

[04Sauzee]

💚- Astonishing Support 👏

604 as of this morning...

👉 https://t.co/c8S1fzbzhz https://t.co/sWjBJfWzkb

[Pagan Hibernia]

There is nothing boring about suggesting additional ways to bring money into Hibs as they are facing their biggest challenge since the FTB takeover.

This is not about individuals so try not to make it personal about "making excuses". Try to think of Hibs supporters as a huge group of potential cash donations through goodwill and sense of belonging.

Argue your case at a much higher level and if you don't think a direct bank transfer straight to Hibs would work then give your reasons for it.

HSL still continues as its the most important donation mechanisim but I am suggesting an additional method which if driven by the club has the possibility of reaching more supporters and generating extra working capital to bridge the funding deficit.

That must surely be the end game we all want as supporters.

I was under the impression that straightforward donations to the club are subject to tax, though I’m not clued up on the subject and could be wrong. Maybe someone can confirm that.

HSL donations are certainly not subject to tax.

if my first statement is true, and it’s 80% of your money going to Hibs versus 100% of your money going to Hibs via HSL, then surely it’s a no brainer?

[Pagan Hibernia]

💚- Astonishing Support 👏

604 as of this morning...

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superb news! Well done everyone

[Jones28]

I would prefer just to contact the club direct and do it that way as I am sure they would accept donations though in time I would hope the club drive this as they can reach out to far more people.

I just have no interest in being part of HSL in any way shape or form but don't take that the wrong way as what they try to do is admirable but for me donating directly to the club works far better in terms of simplicity and clarity.

That vehicle for direct donations doesn’t exist yet, all I’m saying is that you clearly want to contribute money (and well done for doing so), so just put it through HSL until such a point as you can give it to the club directly.

The club needs the extra money, surely that should be the only incentive needed to sign up? Being a part of HSL or not is irrelevant now that shares are no longer available, so why not do it through them?

[Andy74]

Jim is one of the directors of HS and takes direction from the shareholders of HS who all hold one share.
At this time of financial meltdown it would not be ethically right to set a financial target and put pressure on people to donate money to HS.
HS had asked for help and I am sure that people who offer help will have that conversation with HS.

I really hope your desire to see more shares in the hands of fans doesn’t result in any sort of fan ownership if you think that those running things shouldn’t be doing a thing until they are told to by all the shareholders.

I also don’t agree in any way with not asking for donations or setting targets. If people can’t afford to they shouldn’t bu no problem asking people who can.

[The Baldmans Comb]

I was under the impression that straightforward donations to the club are subject to tax, though I’m not clued up on the subject and could be wrong. Maybe someone can confirm that.

HSL donations are certainly not subject to tax.

if my first statement is true, and it’s 80% of your money going to Hibs versus 100% of your money going to Hibs via HSL, then surely it’s a no brainer?

Many thanks for that as thats exactly the sort of technical input I was looking for.

Direct donations to Hibs aren't subject to tax so if you were to donate £1,000 then Hibs would receive £1,000.

However it may be that if you donate via HSL then they can claim back the tax at say 20% on your behalf so you only need to donate £800 and Hibs still get £1,000.

This information may be available on their website and is worth finding out.

Though again I am suggesting a very simple additional method of direct transfer and it shouldn't be seen as an alternative to HSL.

HSL remains the predominant donation method but just not the only one.

[Greenworld]

There is nothing boring about suggesting additional ways to bring money into Hibs as they are facing their biggest challenge since the FTB takeover.

This is not about individuals so try not to make it personal about "making excuses". Try to think of Hibs supporters as a huge group of potential cash donations through goodwill and sense of belonging.

Argue your case at a much higher level and if you don't think a direct bank transfer straight to Hibs would work then give your reasons for it.

HSL still continues as its the most important donation mechanisim but I am suggesting an additional method which if driven by the club has the possibility of reaching more supporters and generating extra working capital to bridge the funding deficit.

That must surely be the end game we all want as supporters.The thing i like about hiberniansupporters.co.uk is that all the money is handed over to however we could if we wanted put a stipulation on use . If things turned sour having a avenue outside of the club to pay through is highly desirable to me.
The money now goes straight to the club.
I would imagine the option remains to direct the funds to development only or player purchase only .
It is a small but significant way of having some say on whats happening

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[The Baldmans Comb]

That vehicle for direct donations doesn’t exist yet, all I’m saying is that you clearly want to contribute money (and well done for doing so), so just put it through HSL until such a point as you can give it to the club directly.

The club needs the extra money, surely that should be the only incentive needed to sign up? Being a part of HSL or not is irrelevant now that shares are no longer available, so why not do it through them?

Try not to see it through me as an individual. I personally would prefer to contact Hibs directly to donate.

I am trying to look at the broader picture and work out if there is an additional way of reaching out to all the Hibs fans who are looking to donate extra money.

There is an argument that for tax efficiency reasons HSL would be the best and only method which may be true but we don't want to disregard any supporters who are looking at alternatives more suitable for them

I will leave it there and make this my last contribution as there does seem to an inbuilt attitude (Not you) that if you aren't part of or you dont want to join the HSL club then you don't matter.

I would suggest Hibs are facing a £4m deficit and everyone's cash matters.

[A Hi-Bee]

Try not to see it through me as an individual. I personally would prefer to contact Hibs directly to donate.

I am trying to look at the broader picture and work out if there is an additional way of reaching out to all the Hibs fans who are looking to donate extra money.

There is an argument that for tax efficiency reasons HSL would be the best and only method which may be true but we don't want to disregard any supporters who are looking at alternatives more suitable for them

I will leave it there and make this my last contribution as there does seem to an inbuilt attitude (Not you) that if you aren't part of or you dont want to join the HSL club then you don't matter.

I would suggest Hibs are facing a £4m deficit and everyone's cash matters.
Your sentiment is admirable, and not a tax expert or anything like it all I can suggest is if you wish to donate money to Hibs, There are a few ways although it would appear for now that HSL is the most efficient vehicle for now to use.
You could always set something up to do as you wish, get a website done, gather some support contact Hibs, or just send them a cheque, or perhaps you could get a postal order (if they still do them) and post it into the club.
Other ways you can contribute are sown on another thread, at https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?346952-How-to-Help/page3

Although why you would wish to divert focus away from this is a wee bit peculiar, but your opinion matters.

To the 604 others (including me) fantastic job and something is building here, it could grow to become a real power in the future, once we have helped our club through this present dark time. Its working out an average of around 100 people per day, Since we started pushing this here on .net. Lets keep this going to the end of this month (Lets go for another 1,000) and beyond, by which time I am sure the club will be more involved and we will have a better website with more transparency and accountability as far as numbers of new and returning members.

Brilliant effort by all Hibs supporters lets all get right into HSL for now.
:thumbsup:

[The Baldmans Comb]

Why would Hibs waste time and resources setting up a scheme to allow fans to donate to the club when there’s already a vehicle available for fans to do so? Unless your going to donate several thousand then it’s unlikely Hibs will entertain you.

As I try to respond to all comments made to me then I will make this my last response I promise.

Hibs have a season ticket base of 13,000 supporters and a wider support base up to around 40,000 people.

HSL has managed to get lets say 1,500 supporters on board to donate one off or monthly amounts to the club.

That is admirable and to be applauded. No one is arguing that point.

This leaves an untouched base of around 11,500 Hibs supporters who are season tickets holders who are hugely sympathetic to the current financial problems and a wider base of tens of thousands who are at least concerned.

HSL are trying but not yet reaching all of these people hence the reason I suggested directly being able to donate to the club via a simple bank transfer.

Not as an alternative to HSL but as an additional way to at least try to tap into the fanbase.

[A Hi-Bee]

As I try to respond to all comments made to me then I will make this my last response I promise.

Hibs have a season ticket base of 13,000 supporters and a wider support base up to around 40,000 people.

HSL has managed to get lets say 1,500 supporters on board to donate one off or monthly amounts to the club.

That is admirable and to be applauded. No one is arguing that point.

This leaves an untouched base of around 11,500 Hibs supporters who are season tickets holders who are hugely sympathetic to the current financial problems and a wider base of tens of thousands who are at least concerned.

HSL aren't reaching any of these people hence the reason I suggested directly being able to donate to the club via a simple bank transfer.

Not as an alternative to HSL but as an additional way to at least try to tap into the fanbase.

see above, posts and imho its bloody well done to the other 604. Which will grow and get even more just you watch..........

[Green Manalishi]

Many people have been struggling for cash during the lockdown. Ron Gordon will not have been one of them. Maybe our owner should dig a little deeper the same way he is expecting the fans to do

[04Sauzee]

Many people have been struggling for cash during the lockdown. Ron Gordon will not have been one of them. Maybe our owner should dig a little deeper the same way he is expecting the fans to do

How much cash does Ron have? Where is his money tied up? How have his businesses faired during this pandemic? Serious question becuase I haven't got a clue.

[Green Manalishi]

How much cash does Ron have? Where is his money tied up? How have his businesses faired during this pandemic? Serious question becuase I haven't got a clue. Put it this way mate. He will have a good few million more than you and me

[Pagan Hibernia]

Many people have been struggling for cash during the lockdown. Ron Gordon will not have been one of them. Maybe our owner should dig a little deeper the same way he is expecting the fans to do

I agree. I’m appreciative of the guy clearing the debt last year and investing money in, but we all have to do our bit in the here and now.

HSL is a minority shareholder and is helping out financially. If the ‘we are all hibs’ tag means anything, then the majority shareholder should be at least matching HSLs contribution.

maybe he already is. In which case, great, thanks Ron

[Ozyhibby]

How much cash does Ron have? Where is his money tied up? How have his businesses faired during this pandemic? Serious question becuase I haven't got a clue.

Ron Gordon hasn’t put any expectation on the fans to donate to HSL. That comes from us.


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[04Sauzee]

Ron Gordon hasn’t put any expectation on the fans to donate to HSL. That comes from us.


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I didn't say he had that wasnt a point I was trying to make

[Gerard]

I really hope your desire to see more shares in the hands of fans doesn’t result in any sort of fan ownership if you think that those running things shouldn’t be doing a thing until they are told to by all the shareholders.

I also don’t agree in any way with not asking for donations or setting targets. If people can’t afford to they shouldn’t bu no problem asking people who can.

At present HS owns 15.4 % of Hibs
I am not seeking HS to own Hibs
If HS were able to see its shareholding rise to 25.1 %
It would still not own the club it would be a strong minority share holder and would have one director
On the Hibs BODs
I think a soft target would be useful to help motivate HS
In getting as much funds as it can
I fully support HS at present giving money to the club
And like many fans give money to HS

[Andy74]

I agree. I’m appreciative of the guy clearing the debt last year and investing money in, but we all have to do our bit in the here and now.

HSL is a minority shareholder and is helping out financially. If the ‘we are all hibs’ tag means anything, then the majority shareholder should be at least matching HSLs contribution.

maybe he already is. In which case, great, thanks Ron

It is the fans that are deciding to help, the minority shareholder bit is neither here nor there. It is just fans who can afford to trying to do what they can to help the football team they support.

I think folk have got a bit carried away with the English teams getting super rich owners who put their own money in (although most do so by way of loans).

Ron Gordon aims to have Hibs running in an efficient and self sustainable way and he has certainly helped by putting significant money in to begin with. I don't get the demands for hm to keep putting more and more in. If he can and he wants to then that is great but there shouldn't be an expectation of that.

Some of the attitudes to the guys we've had owning the club are a bit perplexing. Jealousy of people having made money I suppose.

[matty_f]

At present HS owns 15.4 % of Hibs
I am not seeking HS to own Hibs
If HS were able to see its shareholding rise to 25.1 %
It would still not own the club it would be a strong minority share holder and would have one director
On the Hibs BODs
I think a soft target would be useful to help motivate HS
In getting as much funds as it can
I fully support HS at present giving money to the club
And like many fans give money to HS

Ron Gordon has been absolutely clear that he's no desire to see the balance of the shareholding change.

I also think that putting conditions on donations just now or campaigning for a particular outcome muddies the water.

Right now, the message couldn't be any clearer - HSL takes your money and hands it over to the club. That's as simple as it needs to be.

[Andy74]

At present HS owns 15.4 % of Hibs
I am not seeking HS to own Hibs
If HS were able to see its shareholding rise to 25.1 %
It would still not own the club it would be a strong minority share holder and would have one director
On the Hibs BODs
I think a soft target would be useful to help motivate HS
In getting as much funds as it can
I fully support HS at present giving money to the club
And like many fans give money to HS

We have a cross director position - we also have 2 fans voted onto the board. What value do you see in HSL having the ability to add a director to the board and is it worth asking the owner to dilute his ownership to get HSL a further 10% or is it worth money that could be going to the club to go to other fans who hold shares instead?

[Pagan Hibernia]

It is the fans that are deciding to help, the minority shareholder bit is neither here nor there. It is just fans who can afford to trying to do what they can to help the football team they support.

I think folk have got a bit carried away with the English teams getting super rich owners who put their own money in (although most do so by way of loans).

Ron Gordon aims to have Hibs running in an efficient and self sustainable way and he has certainly helped by putting significant money in to begin with. I don't get the demands for hm to keep putting more and more in. If he can and he wants to then that is great but there shouldn't be an expectation of that.

Some of the attitudes to the guys we've had owning the club are a bit perplexing. Jealousy of people having made money I suppose.

we are all Hibs.

if that includes Ron Gordon, and he has a few quid lying around, then it’s only natural to think he might want to help.

and yes, Hibs must be run sustainably and self sufficiently. I actually would find it unpalatable to support a club like Man City who get billions thrown at them, where is the joy or pride in any success as a result of that?

however, sustainability and self sufficiency don’t come into it when something completely outside the clubs control is threatening it’s very existence. Which is where we are now.

as for jealousy about the guys wealth... you couldn’t be more wrong.

[Gerard]

We have a cross director position - we also have 2 fans voted onto the board. What value do you see in HSL having the ability to add a director to the board and is it worth asking the owner to dilute his ownership to get HSL a further 10% or is it worth money that could be going to the club to go to other fans who hold shares instead?
At the moment we have one cross director from HS on the board
MR S Dunn resigned as an HS director
Both directors are nominated by Hibs to serve on HS bosrd
I am not asking or seeking RG to dilute his share holding
Outside HS and RG share ownership there is 18 percent of shares in other hands
Some of these share holders would like to give or sell their shares to HS
AS HS is the second biggest shareholder it is fair that they have representation in its own right on the Hibs BODS
The person who serves in that position will serve on the board and not have a joint duty of legal care to both individual companies

[Andy74]

we are all Hibs.

if that includes Ron Gordon, and he has a few quid lying around, then it’s only natural to think he might want to help.

and yes, Hibs must be run sustainably and self sufficiently. I actually would find it unpalatable to support a club like Man City who get billions thrown at them, where is the joy or pride in any success as a result of that?

however, sustainability and self sufficiency don’t come into it when something completely outside the clubs control is threatening it’s very existence. Which is where we are now.

as for jealousy about the guys wealth... you couldn’t be more wrong.

Hibs aren't making any demands of anyone, they are just telling us how it is with our finances and the impact. The fans are deciding themselves what they can and can't do to help.

Equally, we should not be demanding anything of Ron Gordon. He will be doing what he can to help and support us through this but he seems to be attracting negative comments and challenges because he hasn't just said he's going to hand over millions of pounds again.

[Andy74]

At the moment we have one director from HS on the board
MR S Dunn resigned as an HS director
Both directors are nominated by Hibs to serve on HS bosrd
I am not adking or seeking RG to dilute his share holding
Outside HS and RG share ownership there is 18 percent of shares in other hands
Some of these share holders would like to give or sell their shares to HS
AS HS is the second biggest shareholder it is fair that they have representation in its own right on the Hibs BODS
The person who serves in that position will have serve on the board and not have a joint duty of legal care to both individual companies

You aren't telling me what material benefit Hibs would get from having an HSL representative on the board.

And you are asking 1 of 2 things, or both to get HSL another 10%.

You would either want RG to dilute his ownership, which is he is absolutely not going to do, or you want supporters donations from HSL to be used to give to other small shareholders instead of going to the club.

There's little evidence that small shareholders want to give or sell anymore of their shares away. People like having their shares in Hibs and they are all going to be just as protective of Hibs as HSL.

I'm amazed that anyone would think that getting an HSL director on to the board is worth all of the HSL money for the foreseeable future going into the hands of other supporters instead of to the club.

We shouldn't forget that shares through HSL were available for a long time before RG came along and there was very little appetite.

[Green Manalishi]

Some of the attitudes to the guys we've had owning the club are a bit perplexing. Jealousy of people having made money I suppose. So all these fans over the years who have complained about the likes of Tom Hart, Kenny Waugh, David Duff, Tom Farmer and now Ron Gordon only did so because they were jealous of them? I thought it was because of lack of investment and a perceived lack of ambition. I never considered it to be out of jealousy.

[Jones28]

Try not to see it through me as an individual. I personally would prefer to contact Hibs directly to donate.

I am trying to look at the broader picture and work out if there is an additional way of reaching out to all the Hibs fans who are looking to donate extra money.

There is an argument that for tax efficiency reasons HSL would be the best and only method which may be true but we don't want to disregard any supporters who are looking at alternatives more suitable for them

I will leave it there and make this my last contribution as there does seem to an inbuilt attitude (Not you) that if you aren't part of or you dont want to join the HSL club then you don't matter.

I would suggest Hibs are facing a £4m deficit and everyone's cash matters.

I understand your point of view, but I don’t understand why you’d prefer to go straight to the club. But that’s your opinion and your desire.

In a time of crises I do not agree that people should be picky about how they donate money, HSL has been running smoothly for 6 years or so. The club needs the cash, HSL is there, it shouldn’t be something people have to think about.

I would urge you to reconsider your position, and to at least go to HSL as a start. If the club choose to set up a system where you can put money directly in to the club then you can change to that.

[Gerard]

You aren't telling me what material benefit Hibs would get from having an HSL representative on the board.

And you are asking 1 of 2 things, or both to get HSL another 10%.

You would either want RG to dilute his ownership, which is he is absolutely not going to do, or you want supporters donations from HSL to be used to give to other small shareholders instead of going to the club.

There's little evidence that small shareholders want to give or sell anymore of their shares away. People like having their shares in Hibs and they are all going to be just as protective of Hibs as HSL.

I'm amazed that anyone would think that getting an HSL director on to the board is worth all of the HSL money for the foreseeable future going into the hands of other supporters instead of to the club.

We shouldn't forget that shares through HSL were available for a long time before RG came along and there was very little appetite.

I think that HS can add another point of view when it has its own director on the Hibs board
That is a benefit to have a fresh outlook from a HS director

There are hibs share holders who would give their shares to HS freely and some who would be given a small amount of money for HS to buy their shares.

HS was able to aquire 15.4 percent of the shareholding
And even if it was able to aquire all the shares outside RGs ownership he would still own 67 percent of the club
I am not asking RG to dillute his 67 percent
I would like to see the share holders who have shares be able to give the shares to HS if that is their wish
If you are concerned about this resulting in HS reducing their donation to Hibs it could state that they will accept shares given from other shares holders as long as they are freely given to HS as a donation

The share issue is not a priority at present and can be revisited in the future.

[Berwickhibby]

Just done another wee bit to help by sponsoring Jamie Gullan's training kit for season 20/21 :flag:

[Keith_M]

I've seen one article in the Evening News about the increase in membership but haven't seen any other publicity (so far).

I'm in no way criticising the efforts of those running HS(L), but I think there's still massive scope for getting the message out there on a much bigger scale.

Has anyone approached the club to assist in this in any way? As far as I understand it, there's no longer any legal issue preventing that (as the shares part is off the table).

[Criswell]

I've seen one article in the Evening News about the increase in membership but haven't seen any other publicity (so far).

I'm in no way criticising the efforts of those running HS(L), but I think there's still massive scope for getting the message out there on a much bigger scale.

Has anyone approached the club to assist in this in any way? As far as I understand it, there's no longer any legal issue preventing that (as the shares part is off the table).

Getting the message out to the wider Hibs support is crucial. I'm sure HSL are aware of this. Word-Of-Mouth to fellow supporters is important too.

[percy veer]

Just done another wee bit to help by sponsoring Jamie Gullan's training kit for season 20/21 :flag:



how do you go about doing this

[weecounty hibby]

Just done another wee bit to help by sponsoring Jamie Gullan's training kit for season 20/21 :flag:
I assume that you sponsored someone last year too. I emailed to say I was interested in sponsoring a strip or boots and was thinking of to contact them again in a month as they were talking to existing sponsors first

[Berwickhibby]

I assume that you sponsored someone last year too. I emailed to say I was interested in sponsoring a strip or boots and was thinking of to contact them again in a month as they were talking to existing sponsors first

Yes, I sponsored Tom James kit last season, I emailed the club offering to sponsor again this season. I saw on the official Website that Jamie had no sponsor and requested his kit. This was agreed and I paid.

[Greenworld]

Overseas fans could also be a great target , Hibs supporters groups in various countries ,a great way for them to be part of the club.


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[CropleyWasGod]

For those who were asking, there are no tax advantages to anyone for donating to HS.

[hibeerealist]

Just done another wee bit to help by sponsoring Jamie Gullan's training kit for season 20/21 :flag:


Nice one GGTTH

[hibbydad]

The thing is that each and every one of the people criticising RG would love to have something approaching millions in the bank. Some, I am sure, will have ambitions and are striving to do so and I would not be surprised if some already have significant sums to hand. This, IMHO, is not about standing on principle but is about not being able to climb down from the anti Farmer/Petrie hobby horse and associating HSL with a fabled Ponzi scheme. It’s just too big a step to take to realise you were wrong all along.
Very good post Central Line and I think it is an accurate description of the situation sadly

[weecounty hibby]

Yes, I sponsored Tom James kit last season, I emailed the club offering to sponsor again this season. I saw on the official Website that Jamie had no sponsor and requested his kit. This was agreed and I paid.

Thanks