Games at Murrayfield?

[MartinfaePorty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52938590

[Diclonius]

The only way to get everyone back while social distancing is in place. All for it.

[007]

Someone mentioned on here a few days ago another country (can't remember which one) was going to have stadiums at 25% capacity. If they're at less than 2m for social distancing then I'd guess we might be looking at an even smaller percentage for us. Hopefully it'd be no less than 25% as for most matches we'd be able to get most fans in that want to. Wonder what the plan would be for away fans, perhaps could decide on no away fans if they can sell out.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Makes prefect sense.

[marinello59]

Someone mentioned on here a few days ago another country (can't remember which one) was going to have stadiums at 25% capacity. If they're at less than 2m for social distancing then I'd guess we might be looking at an even smaller percentage for us. Hopefully it'd be no less than 25% as for most matches we'd be able to get most fans in that want to. Wonder what the plan would be for away fans, perhaps could decide on no away fans if they can sell out.

Poland

[The 90+2]

Why not? Always wanted to make use of the trams.

[Keith_M]

If this really is an option, then I'm all for it.

If we're only going to be allowed to use one seat in every four (or whatever), then this makes a much larger stadium the most obvious solution.

[Diclonius]

If this really is an option, then I'm all for it.


If we're only going to be allowed to use one seat in every four (or whatever), then this makes a much larger stadium the most obvious solution.

67,000/4 = 16,750. Room for almost every home fan, and definitely every ST holder.

[Keith_M]

67,000/4 = 16,750. Room for almost every home fan, and definitely every ST holder.

:agree:





It would be interesting if we had a game where we reached the 16,750 capacity. Would we be allowed to say that we had a Sell Out Attendance at Murrayfield? :wink:

[macca70]

67,000/4 = 16,750. Room for almost every home fan, and definitely every ST holder.

So is that on the assumption that no one is going to move and everyone sits still?

It’s not viable, only way it works is put basic sanitisers etc in place, and a enter at your own risk disclaimer.

You couldn’t move along rows or pass anyone on staircases or walkways.

It’s unlikely the government even allow gathering 50+, never mind thousands. Folk are struggling to even book weddings for later in the year due to size of the party.

I think this is all wishful thinking rather than actually viable.

[Up The Bracket]

Absolutely not, Easter Road is our home where we should play our home games, reduced crowd or not.

Would happily stay at home twice every 3 games if the time I’m able to go it’s played at Easter Road instead of a soulless echo chamber.

[Keith_M]

So is that on the assumption that no one is going to move and everyone sits still?


Presumably it's by covering the seats and preventing anyone sitting on them, like they're currently doing at Trains Stations, for instance.




It’s not viable, only way it works is put basic sanitisers etc in place, and a enter at your own risk disclaimer.


Fair enough, I can't see that going down well at Celtc Park and Ibrox



.... Folk are struggling to even book weddings for later in the year due to size of the party.


Aw come on mate. Everybody knows that weddings are much more dangerous things than football matches....

:wink:

[Keith_M]

Absolutely not, Easter Road is our home where we should play our home games, reduced crowd or not.

Would happily stay at home twice every 3 games if the time I’m able to go it’s played at Easter Road instead of a soulless echo chamber.


You'd rather miss a game than watch it at Murrayfield?

[GonzoReturns]

So is that on the assumption that no one is going to move and everyone sits still?

It’s not viable, only way it works is put basic sanitisers etc in place, and a enter at your own risk disclaimer.

You couldn’t move along rows or pass anyone on staircases or walkways.

It’s unlikely the government even allow gathering 50+, never mind thousands. Folk are struggling to even book weddings for later in the year due to size of the party.

I think this is all wishful thinking rather than actually viable.



This. the other considerations folk going to a from the ground even a crowd of 10,000 would create extreme difficulties.

[Scouse Hibee]

You'd rather miss a game than watch it at Murrayfield?

I’d be swithering to if I’m honest, and I live along the road from Murrayfield. As I’ve said all along I can’t see it happening, I still think it will be all back at Easter Road or none back anywhere at all, no matter how long that may take.

[Ozyhibby]

So is that on the assumption that no one is going to move and everyone sits still?

It’s not viable, only way it works is put basic sanitisers etc in place, and a enter at your own risk disclaimer.

You couldn’t move along rows or pass anyone on staircases or walkways.

It’s unlikely the government even allow gathering 50+, never mind thousands. Folk are struggling to even book weddings for later in the year due to size of the party.

I think this is all wishful thinking rather than actually viable.

Let’s just cancel football altogether and just give up. There is no point carrying on, is there?


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[Ozyhibby]

Presumably it's by covering the seats and preventing anyone sitting on them, like they're currently doing at Trains Stations, for instance.




Fair enough, I can't see that going down well at Celtc Park and Ibrox




Aw come on mate. Everybody knows that weddings are much more dangerous things than football matches....

:wink:

True enough. I don’t even regret going to the 2012 final as much as I regret going to my first wedding.[emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

Absolutely not, Easter Road is our home where we should play our home games, reduced crowd or not.

Would happily stay at home twice every 3 games if the time I’m able to go it’s played at Easter Road instead of a soulless echo chamber.

Child.


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[007]

So is that on the assumption that no one is going to move and everyone sits still?

It’s not viable, only way it works is put basic sanitisers etc in place, and a enter at your own risk disclaimer.

You couldn’t move along rows or pass anyone on staircases or walkways.

It’s unlikely the government even allow gathering 50+, never mind thousands. Folk are struggling to even book weddings for later in the year due to size of the party.

I think this is all wishful thinking rather than actually viable.

The guidance is you want to avoid being in close contact with someone for 15 minutes so I imagine passing someone in the same row going in or out is very, very low risk and I'd guess they'll be wanting everyone to wear face coverings to reduce the risk.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/03/04/coronavirus-covid-19-what-is-social-distancing/

[Scouse Hibee]

Child.


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If you’re going to resort to name calling you need to realise the irony of your post.

In other words Grow Up!

[Cabbage East]

67,000/4 = 16,750. Room for almost every home fan, and definitely every ST holder.

It's nowhere near as straightforward as you're making it sound.

[G B Young]

You'd rather miss a game than watch it at Murrayfield?

I won't be going to any games, no matter where they're played, while social distancing is in place. It'll be c**p plus I couldn't be bothered with the hassle involved in making it work. Nor will I be watching closed doors games on TV. It would be like watching a training match. Soulless.

I'll be happily donating financially to the club in other ways, but football's not so important to me that I can't wait a while longer to get back to watching Hibs in the way I enjoy.

[G B Young]

The guidance is you want to avoid being in close contact with someone for 15 minutes so I imagine passing someone in the same row going in or out is very, very low risk and I'd guess they'll be wanting everyone to wear face coverings to reduce the risk.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/03/04/coronavirus-covid-19-what-is-social-distancing/


So no singing either.

[Bishop Hibee]

I don’t like the idea of my money supporting a sport I’ve no real interest in. I’d also have to board crowded public transport to attend whereas I stay within walking distance of ER at the moment. Better than having to watch it on TV though.

[macca70]

The guidance is you want to avoid being in close contact with someone for 15 minutes so I imagine passing someone in the same row going in or out is very, very low risk and I'd guess they'll be wanting everyone to wear face coverings to reduce the risk.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/03/04/coronavirus-covid-19-what-is-social-distancing/

That article is from 3rd March, we are 3 months on, Government guidance and research into CV has evolved quite a bit since.

Why are we bothering to keep 2 metres apart in streets and shops etc if it can only be passed on if you are in contact for 15 mins or more.

There’s no way all the safe guidance can be complied with, if we’re happy to just do best we can and folk happy to take the risk and government allow gatherings of thousands then fine but it will be impossible to comply with all the social distancing guidelines.

What happens when someone touches a bannister washing up the stair, is everyone wiping surfaces down behind them.

[Scouse Hibee]

That article is from 3rd March, we are 3 months on, Government guidance and research into CV has evolved quite a bit since.

Why are we bothering to keep 2 metres apart in streets and shops etc if it can only be passed on if you are in contact for 15 mins or more.

There’s no way all the safe guidance can be complied with, if we’re happy to just do best we can and folk happy to take the risk and government allow gatherings of thousands then fine but it will be impossible to comply with all the social distancing guidelines.

What happens when someone touches a bannister washing up the stair, is everyone wiping surfaces down behind them.

Because the guidance has to be set at idiot proof levels. 2m apart is there for one reason only,to keep folk that they know will insist on breaking it at least some distance away. Give them an inch and they will take a mile or give them two metres and they will take one.

[Up The Bracket]

Child.


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Some irony with this response 😂

[macca70]

Let’s just cancel football altogether and just give up. There is no point carrying on, is there?


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There’s certainly no point putting life’s at risk including our own family and friends when the guidance from medical experts and government is to not have crowds over certain size and strict social distancing is in place.

It might get to the point where they just say, enter at your own risk and whoever wants to go to the games can go but now way they can have thousands in a stadium maintaining strict social distancing. It seems to be wishful thinking rather than folk engaging their brain.

I think just getting games on behind closed doors is going to be a result in itself without expecting crowds of 10,000 to attend.

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t like the idea of my money supporting a sport I’ve no real interest in. I’d also have to board crowded public transport to attend whereas I stay within walking distance of ER at the moment. Better than having to watch it on TV though.

That’s just it, it’s not perfect, it’s not what we would want. We all want to be back at Easter road enjoying our new sound system and big screen. We want to be going to the pub for a few pints before and after. We want to be all jumping on top of each other when a winning goal is scored in the last minute. None of that can happen just now though. The club are doing their level best to get fans in to watch games and all some can do is complain that it won’t be like before? Guess what, very little in life is like before just now. Get over it.
Nobody’s first choice would be Murrayfield but it’s better than not getting to see a game at all.


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[Keith_M]

I totally get that some people are questioning whether they'd go to games at all, due to health concerns.


I'm still not convinced, though, by the argument that Murrayfield with 16,000 fans would be 'soulless' but Easter Road with 4,000 fans would be a much better experience.

I've been in Easter Road numerous times with a lot more than 4,000 people in attendance and the atmosphere completely flat.

I personally don't think playing games there would miraculously improve the atmosphere with only a quarter of the attendees.

[PaulSmith]

So is that on the assumption that no one is going to move and everyone sits still?

It’s not viable, only way it works is put basic sanitisers etc in place, and a enter at your own risk disclaimer.

You couldn’t move along rows or pass anyone on staircases or walkways.

It’s unlikely the government even allow gathering 50+, never mind thousands. Folk are struggling to even book weddings for later in the year due to size of the party.

I think this is all wishful thinking rather than actually viable.

I think you need to go and take a look at the actual risks involved in walking past someone and also take a wee thought at what the number of infections/deaths will be come Autumn.

[PaulSmith]

That article is from 3rd March, we are 3 months on, Government guidance and research into CV has evolved quite a bit since.

Why are we bothering to keep 2 metres apart in streets and shops etc if it can only be passed on if you are in contact for 15 mins or more.

There’s no way all the safe guidance can be complied with, if we’re happy to just do best we can and folk happy to take the risk and government allow gatherings of thousands then fine but it will be impossible to comply with all the social distancing guidelines.

What happens when someone touches a bannister washing up the stair, is everyone wiping surfaces down behind them.

What happens when you touch a supermarket shelf or a product that someone else has just picked up and put back 2 mins before you fancied it.

Honestly, you’re making it out that you are going to watch the football sitting next to the grim reaper.

[JeMeSouviens]

That article is from 3rd March, we are 3 months on, Government guidance and research into CV has evolved quite a bit since.

Why are we bothering to keep 2 metres apart in streets and shops etc if it can only be passed on if you are in contact for 15 mins or more.

There’s no way all the safe guidance can be complied with, if we’re happy to just do best we can and folk happy to take the risk and government allow gatherings of thousands then fine but it will be impossible to comply with all the social distancing guidelines.

What happens when someone touches a bannister washing up the stair, is everyone wiping surfaces down behind them.

You would only get enough viral load from someone breathing after about 15 minutes. If they cough or sneeze it can be virtually instant. You would hope nobody would go to a game with covid symptoms but then again ...

[Kato]

What happens when you touch a supermarket shelf or a product that someone else has just picked up and put back 2 mins before you fancied it.

Honestly, you’re making it out that you are going to watch the football sitting next to the grim reaper.

I sat next to him for a few seasons. Moany twat.

[JeMeSouviens]

I sat next to him for a few seasons. Moany twat.

A shining beacon of positivity compared to certain ER patrons. :wink:

[Kato]

A shining beacon of positivity compared to certain ER patrons. :wink:

Haven't seen him since we won the Scottish Cup.

[chrisski33]

maybe the filth need to as will be selling their tynecastle for flats soon.

[Juniper Greens]

Is there a chance the SRU are wanting to spend a bit of cash to make social distancing easier and are hoping Hibs and hearts pay for a bit of it?
Might be things like. Using only every second row, and removing enough seats from the empty rows to allow them to be used as the walkways to get to your seat without shuffling past people?
Building semi permanent queuing systems to allow people to enter safely etc?
I'm all for it, but I think we are talking more like 5,000 at a game than 12,000. If my season ticket could be used every second game, I'd be delighted

[neil7908]

Not sure about this - how are we all getting to the ground? I live in Leith so will need to get on bus, potentially a packed bus, to then socially isolate outdoors. Not sure the logic of that.

[neil7908]

You would only get enough viral load from someone breathing after about 15 minutes. If they cough or sneeze it can be virtually instant. You would hope nobody would go to a game with covid symptoms but then again ...

Problem is the vast majority of people are asymptomatic. This is why I struggle to see how we get 16k people from around Edinburgh and the central belt to one venue, whilst also socially distancing before, during and after.

[B.H.F.C]

[QUOTE=macca70;6194069]There’s certainly no point putting life’s at risk including our own family and friends when the guidance from medical experts and government is to not have crowds over certain size and strict social distancing is in place.
/QUOTE]

We’re not talking about it happening tomorrow though. It’s at least a couple of months away, probably longer. By that time, the advice might have moved on.

There does come a point where we need to try and move on with things (even if it’s doing things differently) or we’re all going to be stuck in the house for the rest of our days.

It might not happen but it would be silly not to look at other ways of getting crowds back in to stadiums once we manage to get the games going.

[whiskyhibby]

Great idea to get everyone who wants to, getting to live games, if the cost was free it be a no brainer, it if Hibs are expected to pay costs then it might be better ( financially) to remain at ER with live game screening

[Billy Whizz]

What month is this being discussed as a possibility

[Glory Lurker]

It's fighting through the food riots to get there that's putting me off, tbh.

[Scouse Hibee]

What month is this being discussed as a possibility

I don’t it has ever been a viable possibility and won’t happen hence the virtual ST announcement.

[macca70]

I think you need to go and take a look at the actual risks involved in walking past someone and also take a wee thought at what the number of infections/deaths will be come Autumn.

You’ll not be allowed gatherings of 100+ come autumn never mind 10000.

You been asleep for 6 months?

[hibbyfraelibby]

It's fighting through the food riots to get there that's putting me off, tbh.

What with all this pandemic sideshow I'd forgotten about Brexit...😉

[Keith_M]

What month is this being discussed as a possibility


The reports on this just said that there were discussions between the SRU and the Edinburgh clubs, and that the SRU were open to providing Murrayfield as a venue for football, if required.

There weren't any other details given.

[Since452]

What with all this pandemic sideshow I'd forgotten about Brexit...😉

I miss the old days when Brexit, Philip Schofield and Prince Andrew were headline news

[IberianHibernian]

If there`s talk of Hibs playing home matches at Murrayfield with say 8000 of 10000 STHs turning up , could Edinburgh City and other clubs in lower divisions from east of Scotland play home matches at Easter Road ? Obviously problems with pitch but some work to be done to stadium first .

[bingo70]

You’ll not be allowed gatherings of 100+ come autumn never mind 10000.

You been asleep for 6 months?

There’s more than 100 people at my boys school and they’ll be back by then.

More than 100 people working in call centres and offices that’ll be back by then.

More than 100 people at supermarkets every day.

More than 100 people at all these protests going on this weekend.

Gatherings of people are unavoidable, if you don’t let people into a stadium they’ll go to smaller enclosed places in folks houses to watch games which is probably far more dangerous. (The government aren’t naive, they’ll know that’ll happen, regardless of advice)

I don’t think we’ll go from no fans one week to full stadiums the next, there’ll need to be a plan for the bit inbetween, something like games at Murrayfield would make complete sense to me.

[Col2]

Seems it’s ok for 10s of thousands to protest in Manchester and London today and very little social distancing. Idiots.

Unless we get a 2nd wave (and I mean Scotland not England which is inevitable now) then I would expect a 25-20% capacity with strict measures and face masks in, out and any movement.

[Geo_1875]

Even if you only have 1 seat between you and people around you that means 6 seats each. If you use the more sensible 2 between each that's 15. If they enforce 2 metres all round we'll all be taking up about 60 seats. There's not a stadium in Scotland that will get 10,000 supporters in anytime soon.

[Scouse Hibee]

Even if you only have 1 seat between you and people around you that means 6 seats each. If you use the more sensible 2 between each that's 15. If they enforce 2 metres all round we'll all be taking up about 60 seats. There's not a stadium in Scotland that will get 10,000 supporters in anytime soon.

There will be no spectators back until we can all go, social distancing in a football stadium or a rugby one will never be done as far as I am concerned hence the various TV packages soon to be offered. It wouldn’t be financially viable either for a club like Hibs to play their home games at a venue they would have to rent.

[NAE NOOKIE]

It would only be viable if social distancing wasn't in operation, which makes me ask what would be the point, in that case you might just as well re open Easter Road. If the two meter rule was still in operation a queue of 1000 people would stretch over a mile, use of the toilets would be out of the question because it would mean people having to pass each other constantly.

At full time at ER folk moan like hell about the wait to exit the east stand ... imagine what that would be like if you had to wait row on row on row for your turn to leave the stadium, it would take bloody hours for some folk to get out :faf:

Turnstiles are a problem too ..... every fan passing through would be breathing on or touching them, absolutely every fan would need to use a mask and hand sanitiser before going through or risk infecting the fan behind them. We all know what happens when a goal is scored ... just how far would your Covid - 19 germs go as you jumped up shouting yeeeeesssss, even with a mask on?

Nope ... the only way fans are going to get back in is if social distancing ends, not to mention the advice not to travel more than 5 miles, how many fans live further than 5 miles from either ER or Murrayfield? ... for me its over 30 miles.

And on that note I have passengers from sometimes two different families in my car all of us obviously in a confined space, in the current situation that's an absolute no no .... how many folk will be affected by that and what will it do to the volume of traffic around the stadium?

The problems with this are practically endless as things stand.

[Col2]

There will be no spectators back until we can all go, social distancing in a football stadium or a rugby one will never be done as far as I am concerned hence the various TV packages soon to be offered. It wouldn’t be financially viable either for a club like Hibs to play their home games at a venue they would have to rent.

Interesting viewpoint. I think they have learned more and more about his disease and therefore what we think now versus 2 months time might be different.

We could have a daily infection rate of almost zero by August and we might have reduced the 2 meter rule to 1. A 67000 stadium with large entry/exit points may well be the lowest of low risks for say a 20-25% crowd.

[Col2]

I am more than ok with it if and when it’s possible.

I think the reality is this is a potential option later in the year.

I think we will start the season behind closed doors for August and Sept and from October we will be looking to ease fans back into stadiums such as murrayfield or accept only say 5k at Easter road.

Two months of closed door games on tv and then being able to watch game live safely at Murrayfield from October is a more exciting prospect than say 2-3 weeks ago when we had no idea when any football would be back.

[GreenCastle]

Toilets in the East stand at ER could easily have entry and exit.

It’s been brought up many times here before but it’s the issue of sitting in a row that’s a current concern.

Who is paying for this Murrayfield idea ? Hibs or Hearts ? Scottish FA ? Who is paying for the extra stewards to open possibly a full stadium ??

SFA and clubs won’t won’t to pay and Murrayfield isn’t going to be free! No chance.

We will be back at ER watching games.

We are now into phase 1 - we could easily be phase 2 late June as it’s reviewed every 3 weeks.

Add another 3 weeks and you are into phase 3 in middle of July.

The biggie is phase 3 to phase 4 - a vaccine won’t be found anytime soon (if at all) so it’s if the rates all go down like various other countries and no 2nd wave happens - currently very few evidence of 2nd wave in many countries.

The example of supermarkets is interesting as yoi can be close to people then but a quick passing doing mean you automatically get COVID.

What I want to know is Hibs players back training on 15th - but are they going to be tested or ?? Who would pay for this (and don’t say the donation to the league).

[bingo70]

It would only be viable if social distancing wasn't in operation, which makes me ask what would be the point, in that case you might just as well re open Easter Road. If the two meter rule was still in operation a queue of 1000 people would stretch over a mile, use of the toilets would be out of the question because it would mean people having to pass each other constantly.

At full time at ER folk moan like hell about the wait to exit the east stand ... imagine what that would be like if you had to wait row on row on row for your turn to leave the stadium, it would take bloody hours for some folk to get out :faf:

Turnstiles are a problem too ..... every fan passing through would be breathing on or touching them, absolutely every fan would need to use a mask and hand sanitiser before going through or risk infecting the fan behind them. We all know what happens when a goal is scored ... just how far would your Covid - 19 germs go as you jumped up shouting yeeeeesssss, even with a mask on?

Nope ... the only way fans are going to get back in is if social distancing ends, not to mention the advice not to travel more than 5 miles, how many fans live further than 5 miles from either ER or Murrayfield? ... for me its over 30 miles.

And on that note I have passengers from sometimes two different families in my car all of us obviously in a confined space, in the current situation that's an absolute no no .... how many folk will be affected by that and what will it do to the volume of traffic around the stadium?

The problems with this are practically endless as things stand.

Social distancing of sorts can be in place but withouT it being set at the 2 metres it is as present.

It’s possible to make things easier than they are just now without things returning to as they were before the corona virus, it’s always likely to be a gradual process rather than one week we can’t go, the next we can, it’s about finding safer solutions, a more spread out crowd, clearly would do that.

As for the turnstiles that’s hardly an insurmountable problem, they’ll probably just have stewards on the exit gates using hand held scanners.
Queuing to exit really isn’t going to be a problem either, people’s mind sets have changed, how many people would have queue to get into a supermarket 6 months ago but just accept it’s the done thing now?

Also worth remembering we’re not talking about returning to matches ‘as things stand’, this is a plan for a phased return in a few months time. Clearly travel restrictions will have eased by then if this is to go ahead.

[FilipinoHibs]

DR Leitch on Off the Ball was quite supportive and thought a one in four/five ratio would work.

[GreenCastle]

So whose paying for the stadium hire and extra stewarding costs of Murrayfield ?

Plus the testing for Hibs players / staff when they return on 15th ?

[Phil MaGlass]

So whose paying for the stadium hire and extra stewarding costs of Murrayfield ?

Plus the testing for Hibs players / staff when they return on 15th ?

Hearts, No?

[Phil MaGlass]

If there`s talk of Hibs playing home matches at Murrayfield with say 8000 of 10000 STHs turning up , could Edinburgh City and other clubs in lower divisions from east of Scotland play home matches at Easter Road ? Obviously problems with pitch but some work to be done to stadium first .
I dont think Edinburgh city have problems with space

[Phil MaGlass]

It would only be viable if social distancing wasn't in operation, which makes me ask what would be the point, in that case you might just as well re open Easter Road. If the two meter rule was still in operation a queue of 1000 people would stretch over a mile, use of the toilets would be out of the question because it would mean people having to pass each other constantly.

At full time at ER folk moan like hell about the wait to exit the east stand ... imagine what that would be like if you had to wait row on row on row for your turn to leave the stadium, it would take bloody hours for some folk to get out :faf:

Turnstiles are a problem too ..... every fan passing through would be breathing on or touching them, absolutely every fan would need to use a mask and hand sanitiser before going through or risk infecting the fan behind them. We all know what happens when a goal is scored ... just how far would your Covid - 19 germs go as you jumped up shouting yeeeeesssss, even with a mask on?

Nope ... the only way fans are going to get back in is if social distancing ends, not to mention the advice not to travel more than 5 miles, how many fans live further than 5 miles from either ER or Murrayfield? ... for me its over 30 miles.

And on that note I have passengers from sometimes two different families in my car all of us obviously in a confined space, in the current situation that's an absolute no no .... how many folk will be affected by that and what will it do to the volume of traffic around the stadium?

The problems with this are practically endless as things stand.

It will be a nightmare for queues at the toilet aswell, whos going to socially ditsance or clean the toilets, most public toilets are closedvin Holland, except at malls where theres a clean3r everytime someone exits

[GreenCastle]

No new Coronvirus deaths registered in Scotland over the past 24 hours - according to the news.

[H18 SFR]

No new Coronvirus deaths registered in Scotland over the past 24 hours - according to the news.

Are the registrars not closed over be weekend?

[Ringothedog]

Are the registrars not closed over be weekend?

It’s not stopped deaths been notified for the previous 4 months

[Keith_M]

So whose paying for the stadium hire and extra stewarding costs of Murrayfield ?



Here's a wee scenario to consider.


After an initial set of games played behind closed doors, the SPFL follow the example of some other countries and start with an initial 25% of capacity in use at stadiums. Imagine as well that Hibs, by that point, have ~12,000 Season Ticket holders.

If you play the first set of matches at Easter Road, the Season Ticket Holders would be taking it in turns to attend games, missing out on just over half of home games. Given that, it wouldn't be possible to sell Single Match Tickets (there would likely be an outcry from ST holders). This would mean no extra money for Hibs.


Now imagine instead that Hibs decided to play those games at Murrayfield. The 25% capacity would mean a maximum of 17,000 fans could attend. As that's a possible 5,000 more than the number of Season Ticket holders, the club would, in this scenario, be able to sell Single Match Tickets.

It wouldn't be outwith the realms of possibility that we could get an attendance of 15-16,000 (actually less than last season's average), meaning the club have then sold around 3-4,000 extra tickets, at an average price of about £15 each.

That would mean playing that set of games at Murrayfield would raise (depending on the actual attendance) somewhere between 45k-60k per game. The club could use that extra revenue to pay for the stadium rental.

There would also be the added benefit that no Season Ticket Holders would need to miss a single home game.

[Ozyhibby]

If there`s talk of Hibs playing home matches at Murrayfield with say 8000 of 10000 STHs turning up , could Edinburgh City and other clubs in lower divisions from east of Scotland play home matches at Easter Road ? Obviously problems with pitch but some work to be done to stadium first .

The crowds Edin city get can comfortably socially distance where they play now at Spartans.


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[GreenCastle]

So when Hibs start training on 15th..

Will the players and staff be tested ??

[Keith_M]

Regarding playing games at Murrayfield, using a percentage of the normal capacity (possibly 25%), Scottish National Clinical Director, Jason Leitch said (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-and-hibs-murrayfield-jason-leitch-explains-why-using-rugby-stadium-makes-perfect-sense-2876998)


“I think it’s an excellent idea. It makes perfect sense.”

[leithsansiro]

Regarding playing games at Murrayfield, using a percentage of the normal capacity (possibly 25%), Scottish National Clinical Director, Jason Leitch said (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-and-hibs-murrayfield-jason-leitch-explains-why-using-rugby-stadium-makes-perfect-sense-2876998)



“I think it’s an excellent idea. It makes perfect sense.”



Murrayfield is actually a really good venue for social distancing. It’s on a big open site, there’s loads of turnstiles and the actual access in the site to the stadium is very open.

I wouldn’t be shocked if this does come to happen in the slightly longer term, though I still think totally closed door games will happen first.

[hibee-boys]

I just don't get how social distancing can be implemented at any stadium, irrespective of ground size. I think these ideas are all pie in the sky. Can you imagine trying to socially distance exiting the East Stand, you'd still be there for the next home game!

[Keith_M]

I just don't get how social distancing can be implemented at any stadium, irrespective of ground size. I think these ideas are all pie in the sky. Can you imagine trying to socially distance exiting the East Stand, you'd still be there for the next home game!


Have a read at the article in the link I posted.

This is surely somebody that knows what they're talking about.

[bingo70]

I just don't get how social distancing can be implemented at any stadium, irrespective of ground size. I think these ideas are all pie in the sky. Can you imagine trying to socially distance exiting the East Stand, you'd still be there for the next home game!

Do you think we’ll go from no fans one week to a full stadium the next?

[Ozyhibby]

I just don't get how social distancing can be implemented at any stadium, irrespective of ground size. I think these ideas are all pie in the sky. Can you imagine trying to socially distance exiting the East Stand, you'd still be there for the next home game!

Can’t be done, let’s just give up.[emoji23]


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[hibee-boys]

Do you think we’ll go from no fans one week to a full stadium the next?

There is a phase in the lockdown plan which will allow the opening of bars, cinemas and theatres etc.. Can't see why football would be treated any different. So, to answer your question, yes.

[hibee-boys]

Can’t be done, let’s just give up.[emoji23]


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I'm just being realistic, i'd be back at Easter Road tomorrow given the chance. The final phase of the lockdown will allow fans back into stadiums, this talk of 20% full stadiums, families sitting together, 2 metres between seated fans is just not practical and clubs won't want the responsibility to police it.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm just being realistic, i'd be back at Easter Road tomorrow given the chance. The final phase of the lockdown will allow fans back into stadiums, this talk of 20% full sradiums, families sitting together, 2 metres between seated fans is just not practical and clubs won't want the responsibility to poliice it.

Clubs will want whatever gets fans into stadiums. Seats will be taped up and you will only be sold tickets for the available seats. We are all well used to social distancing and know how to behave. People will respect each other’s personal space coming and going. It’s likely that there won’t be food or drink sold so cutting the number of people on the move at half time. Toilets will be a lot less busy when you can’t get a pint before the game either.
The clubs have to try these things or they are going to be in real trouble.


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[hibee-boys]

Have a read at the article in the link I posted.

This is surely somebody that knows what they're talking about.

Yes, I read the article. It says nothing more than we know already, 2 metres apart helps limit the spread of the virus, households allowed to sit together etc. I'm talking about how practicle is it to implement within a football stadium and how the clubs will not want to be burdened with policing it all. No club will say it in the fear of impacting on season ticket sales but they will NOT be wanting to open their doors until we've reached the phase in this where the government sanctions the removal of social distancing.

[davhibby]

I think people need to realise that it’s not a suggestion for when the season starts in August. There’s no way they’ll allow us to flick a switch one day and suddenly we’ll have full stadiums so a phased approach seems to be what the sfa and the government are looking at. A couple of chairmen have been mentioning November/December or possibly October but I think that might be a bit ambitious. If playing at Murrayfield gets most of our support in the ground when otherwise you’d probably be looking at 1 in 3 games for ST’s then that can only be a good thing.

[Keith_M]

I think people need to realise that it’s not a suggestion for when the season starts in August. There’s no way they’ll allow us to flick a switch one day and suddenly we’ll have full stadiums so a phased approach seems to be what the sfa and the government are looking at. A couple of chairmen have been mentioning November/December or possibly October but I think that might be a bit ambitious. If playing at Murrayfield gets most of our support in the ground when otherwise you’d probably be looking at 1 in 3 games for ST’s then that can only be a good thing.

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What he said.

[Dashing Bob S]

Here's a wee scenario to consider.


After an initial set of games played behind closed doors, the SPFL follow the example of some other countries and start with an initial 25% of capacity in use at stadiums. Imagine as well that Hibs, by that point, have ~12,000 Season Ticket holders.

If you play the first set of matches at Easter Road, the Season Ticket Holders would be taking it in turns to attend games, missing out on just over half of home games. Given that, it wouldn't be possible to sell Single Match Tickets (there would likely be an outcry from ST holders). This would mean no extra money for Hibs.


Now imagine instead that Hibs decided to play those games at Murrayfield. The 25% capacity would mean a maximum of 17,000 fans could attend. As that's a possible 5,000 more than the number of Season Ticket holders, the club would, in this scenario, be able to sell Single Match Tickets.

It wouldn't be outwith the realms of possibility that we could get an attendance of 15-16,000 (actually less than last season's average), meaning the club have then sold around 3-4,000 extra tickets, at an average price of about £15 each.

That would mean playing that set of games at Murrayfield would raise (depending on the actual attendance) somewhere between 45k-60k per game. The club could use that extra revenue to pay for the stadium rental.

There would also be the added benefit that no Season Ticket Holders would need to miss a single home game.

Stick an unsold Hearts replica strip around every 4th seat to ensure social distancing

[lord bunberry]

There is a phase in the lockdown plan which will allow the opening of bars, cinemas and theatres etc.. Can't see why football would be treated any different. So, to answer your question, yes.
When bars reopen they will have to ensure social distancing at first.

[CockneyRebel]

Can’t be done, let’s just give up.[emoji23]


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This a question I have been asking myself for quite some time. "What is the point of a partially filled stadium other than being used as a risk assessment which gambles with peoples lives unnecessarily ?"

My opinion - I know that "testing the water" is an oft used term but I feel that when it is safe for large, close, gatherings to go back then we can all go back, no experiments.

I am desperate to get back to ER but just not that desperate. I am just an old fart who would like to be an even older old fart.

[Andy74]

This a question I have been asking myself for quite some time. "What is the point of a partially filled stadium other than being used as a risk assessment which gambles with peoples lives unnecessarily ?"

My opinion - I know that "testing the water" is an oft used term but I feel that when it is safe for large, close, gatherings to go back then we can all go back, no experiments.

I am desperate to get back to ER but just not that desperate. I am just an old fart who would like to be an even older old fart.

The point is to allow some people to go in and watch a football match. It is not a test to see how many people catch Covid after it.

[Keith_M]

Stick an unsold Hearts replica strip around every 4th seat to ensure social distancing


😌

[Ozyhibby]

This a question I have been asking myself for quite some time. "What is the point of a partially filled stadium other than being used as a risk assessment which gambles with peoples lives unnecessarily ?"

My opinion - I know that "testing the water" is an oft used term but I feel that when it is safe for large, close, gatherings to go back then we can all go back, no experiments.

I am desperate to get back to ER but just not that desperate. I am just an old fart who would like to be an even older old fart.

Lockdown can’t be the solution forever and it was never supposed to be. It was to buy us time while we flattened the curve. It’s served it’s purpose and we now have test and protect up and running. We now need to go back to our lives and allow the testing and tracing to prevent any major breakouts.


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[GreenCastle]

Lockdown can’t be the solution forever and it was never supposed to be. It was to buy us time while we flattened the curve. It’s served it’s purpose and we now have test and protect up and running. We now need to go back to our lives and allow the testing and tracing to prevent any major breakouts.


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Yup. It’s been tough and also tragic for many but we are through the peak and things are improving.

Phase 2 will be coming into affect around 18th June and we will see more and more open soon.

The Scottish season will 100% be behind closed doors for first few fixtures..but it won’t be forever.

Phase 3 will probably be around July 16th I would imagine.

Phase 3 to 4 is the biggie - would imagine that to be later in Autumn.

[CockneyRebel]

Lockdown can’t be the solution forever and it was never supposed to be. It was to buy us time while we flattened the curve. It’s served it’s purpose and we now have test and protect up and running. We now need to go back to our lives and allow the testing and tracing to prevent any major breakouts.


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There's just such a big difference between going back to work/meeting up with family again and putting a few thousand folk through turnstyles and sit them in a stadium. I'm just not convinced that getting a few thousand folk back to footy is so urgent. I can wait.

[CockneyRebel]

The point is to allow some people to go in and watch a football match. It is not a test to see how many people catch Covid after it.


I think the "point" is to see how many catch it and then assess the risk. I for one will not be a guinea pig. I can wait.

[Keith_M]

There's just such a big difference between going back to work/meeting up with family again and putting a few thousand folk through turnstyles and sit them in a stadium. I'm just not convinced that getting a few thousand folk back to footy is so urgent. I can wait.


Nobody's suggesting doing it right away.

The idea is to bring fans back in phases, i.e. behind closed doors at first, then a percentage of capacity as the next step.

The 2nd step would be simpler at a larger stadium that has multiple approach routes and massive open space on three sides.

[Ozyhibby]

There's just such a big difference between going back to work/meeting up with family again and putting a few thousand folk through turnstyles and sit them in a stadium. I'm just not convinced that getting a few thousand folk back to footy is so urgent. I can wait.

We can all wait. It’s possible that the clubs can’t.


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[Andy74]

I think the "point" is to see how many catch it and then assess the risk. I for one will not be a guinea pig. I can wait.

That’s not right. Getting fans back in will not be an exercise in seeing how many you can get in before people starting catching the virus.

It will be done at the right time when the general environment has improved and the overall figures in the country show how you are unlikely to be catching it in public places. Or if you do catch it then unless you are in a vulnerable group then it isn’t a major issue.

[Eyrie]

The Aberdeen chairman isn't optimistic (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52962614) that we'll be back any time soon.



"Phase one is behind closed doors, phase two, is it November or December with limited crowds? That is what we would hope for given the latest information," he said. "Then full crowds in January or February - that would be the hope. But clearly, that depends on if you get a second or third wave of this pandemic.

[Ozyhibby]

The Aberdeen chairman isn't optimistic (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52962614) that we'll be back any time soon.


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I don’t know much about this guy but he seems to shoot his mouth off a lot and has no problem contradicting himself week to week. I often wonder how these guys manage to do so well in business?


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[CockneyRebel]

That’s not right. Getting fans back in will not be an exercise in seeing how many you can get in before people started catching the virus
It will be done at the right time when the general environment has improved and the overall figures in the country show how you are unlikely to be catching it in public places. Or if you do catch it then unless you are in a vulnerable group then it isn’t a major issue.



It is if you're the one who got infected, from a carrier who is out and about and will still be free to roam the land. You are very blase about individual lives - you are not a politician or statistician are you?

[Keith_M]

It is if your'e the one who got infected, from a carrier who is out and about and will still be free to roam the land. You are very blase about individual lives - you are not a politician or statistician are you?


Did you read the article I posted earlier with comments from Scottish National Clinical Director, Jason Leitch (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-and-hibs-murrayfield-jason-leitch-explains-why-using-rugby-stadium-makes-perfect-sense-2876998)?

Would you trust his opinion on the subject?

[CockneyRebel]

Did you read the article I posted earlier with comments from Scottish National Clinical Director, Jason Leitch (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-and-hibs-murrayfield-jason-leitch-explains-why-using-rugby-stadium-makes-perfect-sense-2876998)?

Would you trust his opinion on the subject?



Not if he agrees with you. :wink:

[Keith_M]

Not if he agrees with you. :wink:


Well at least you're honest

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