Why football with fans won't be coming for some time

[04Sauzee]

They've also said the first 7500 season ticket holders will get priority for attending the matches.

I can see that going down really well if Hibs say the same :greengrin
If Hibs do that I just checked im number 1914 😁🙃

[Keith_M]

They've also said the first 7500 season ticket holders will get priority for attending the matches.

I can see that going down really well if Hibs say the same :greengrin


Cool, I'd be fine then

:greengrin

[Ronniekirk]

If Hibs do that I just checked im number 1914 [emoji16][emoji854]

Why would anyone else now buy a Season ticket if that was the case Given hibs haven’t stipulated this people would potentially ask for a refund if it was the same people getting to attend
Fir the first game that maybe is a reward for those first to come on board but it wouldn’t be fair going forward


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[Del Boy]

The guy Cormack changes his tune every week about when fans will be allowed in the stadium.

[04Sauzee]

Why would anyone else now buy a Season ticket if that was the case Given hibs haven’t stipulated this people would potentially ask for a refund if it was the same people getting to attend
Fir the first game that maybe is a reward for those first to come on board but it wouldn’t be fair going forward


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Don't worry there is no danger Hibs will only look after the first few thousand that bought a season ticket i was just teasing.

Bizarre Aberdeen are all over twitter saying they hope to have fans in at the beginning of the season where professor Leitch reckoned it would be October

[CallumLaidlaw]

Don't worry there is no danger Hibs will only look after the first few thousand that bought a season ticket i was just teasing.

Bizarre Aberdeen are all over twitter saying they hope to have fans in at the beginning of the season where professor Leitch reckoned it would be October

They’re at 6,700 sales. Isn’t it a coincidence they think they’ll be allowed 7,500 in. I’m sure they’re not trying to push to that number, definitely not.


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[hibee_girl]

Why would anyone else now buy a Season ticket if that was the case Given hibs haven’t stipulated this people would potentially ask for a refund if it was the same people getting to attend
Fir the first game that maybe is a reward for those first to come on board but it wouldn’t be fair going forward


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There's not a chance Hibs will do it.

I was just saying it would be fun and games on here if they did.

But they won't :greengrin

[Ronniekirk]

There's not a chance Hibs will do it.

I was just saying it would be fun and games on here if they did.

But they won't :greengrin

Ah Fishing [emoji476] lol


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[H18 SFR]

Don't worry there is no danger Hibs will only look after the first few thousand that bought a season ticket i was just teasing.

Bizarre Aberdeen are all over twitter saying they hope to have fans in at the beginning of the season where professor Leitch reckoned it would be October

Leitch on OtB strikes me as someone who needs to remember he is only a part of the decision making process and not the only stakeholder.

[Sir David Gray]

Why? 2021 is 6 months away and we haven't had a death for days and only about 10 new cases in the last week. There will be crowds at Scottish football very very soon.

We've had 68 cases and 6 deaths in the past 7 days.

[BroxburnHibee]

We've had 68 cases and 6 deaths in the past 7 days.

It is fair to say we've practically eradicated it. The challenge is gonna be keeping it from returning.

[H18 SFR]

We've had 68 cases and 6 deaths in the past 7 days.

RIP everyone who has passed, I read today that they were all over 75 and had underlying health conditions - hopefully they have had a good innings.

Regarding the 68 new cases, out of 6,000,000 residents more or less, I think, for me anyway, getting folk into stadiums with sensible and research backed restrictions in place is more than perfectly ok.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

We've had 68 cases and 6 deaths in the past 7 days.

The chances of coming into contact with anyone with Covid19 is now very slim for most people.

[murray26]

The chances of coming into contact with anyone with Covid19 is now very slim for most people.

People coming to and from Scotland is going to be the biggest problem from now on I think..

[oldbutdim]

RIP everyone who has passed, I read today that they were all over 75 and had underlying health conditions - hopefully they have had a good innings.

Regarding the 68 new cases, out of 6,000,000 residents more or less, I think, for me anyway, getting folk into stadiums with sensible and research backed restrictions in place is more than perfectly ok.

75 aint that old!

And they weren't all of that age I'm afraid.

About 77% of all deaths involving Covid-19 up until 28 June were of people aged 75 or over.

The virus has caused the death of 27 people aged under 45, but no-one under 15 years old has died from Covid-19 in Scotland, according to the NRS.

[Stairway 2 7]

Lots of rumours were close to a deal with Murrayfield for the start of the season

[H18 SFR]

75 aint that old!

And they weren't all of that age I'm afraid.

About 77% of all deaths involving Covid-19 up until 28 June were of people aged 75 or over.

The virus has caused the death of 27 people aged under 45, but no-one under 15 years old has died from Covid-19 in Scotland, according to the NRS.

I was replying to comment about the last 7 days. I’m only repeating what I learned elsewhere - I don’t have the ability to check the validity of everything I read or hear, I tried to contextualise that in my comment.

[The dalmeny]

We've had 68 cases and 6 deaths in the past 7 days.

68 cases in the last 8 days, though you can only be positive if you have a test. 7 day average is just over 9 infections a day and deaths just under 1 based on phs Scotland figs

separately and Chinese whispers in full force I’ve heard that very few cases overall were ‘caught’ outside but I can’t support that in anyway.

id have no problem going to a third full stadium

[The dalmeny]

75 aint that old!

And they weren't all of that age I'm afraid.

.

It might not be old but it’s quality of life. I saw my dad have a stroke in his 70s and spend the best part of 7 years bed bound, I don’t want that to happen to me.

[Sir David Gray]

68 cases in the last 8 days, though you can only be positive if you have a test. 7 day average is just over 9 infections a day and deaths just under 1 based on phs Scotland figs

separately and Chinese whispers in full force I’ve heard that very few cases overall were ‘caught’ outside but I can’t support that in anyway.

id have no problem going to a third full stadium

There is no doubt that the figures are encouraging, I was just correcting the other poster who had claimed we hadn't a death for days.

[The dalmeny]

There is no doubt that the figures are encouraging, I was just correcting the other poster who had claimed we hadn't a death for days.

And indeed it’s the measure you use too. NRS/phs/scotgov.

i think the figures are encouraging too but I worry no ###### politician will want the risk on their watch.

[CMurdoch]

And indeed it’s the measure you use too. NRS/phs/scotgov.

i think the figures are encouraging too but I worry no ###### politician will want the risk on their watch.

NRS weekly report is a good source of information.
This weeks report showing Covid deaths up until June 28th came out yesterday and the bottom line is it shows weekly deaths falling from 49 the previous week to 35 with 46% in care homes.
From what we have seen in recent days that number will fall again. Another fall of 14 would see us sitting on 21 deaths for the week/3 deaths per day. Then a case after that if we can keep control of the virus and jump quickly on any outbreaks/cases
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/covid19stats
A shame Englandshire are making such a mess of things with deaths there rising over the last week.

[Keith_M]

... but no-one under 15 years old has died from Covid-19 in Scotland, according to the NRS.


Nope, but young people are now the main source of it's spread.

Too many of the wee boogers don't seem to care about social distancing.

I'd lock them all up till it's over.

[oldbutdim]

Nope, but young people are now the main source of it's spread.

Too many of the wee boogers don't seem to care about social distancing.

I'd lock them all up till it's over.

It's hardly surprising. At that age you are invulnerable, and it's not a serious issue - death.............

I used to be young and stupid, before I got to be old but dim.

[CMurdoch]

It's hardly surprising. At that age you are invulnerable, and it's not a serious issue - death.............

I used to be young and stupid, before I got to be old but dim.

What was the old saying, Young, dumb and full of c.........

[Ronniekirk]

Aberdeen just tweet this

The club is increasingly hopeful a partial crowd of 7,500 supporters may be allowed when football returns.

Don't miss out, be there when Pittodrie roars again by becoming a 20/21 season ticket holder - https://t.co/M2kpvcPqwj

#StandFree https://t.co/PRk4OERoq8

On the sports news today that Aberdeen released that statement after a briefing they and other clubs attended with Professor Jason Letchfrom Scottish government
So if true then clearly substance behind it


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[Tambo]

Nicola Sturgeon*has warned*Scottish football*fans not to set their hearts on a return to stadiums in October amid the continuing*COVID-19*crisis.

Premiership*clubs are back in pre-season training ahead of an August restart following last season's controversially curtailed campaign.

[hibby6270]

On the sports news today that Aberdeen released that statement after a briefing they and other clubs attended with Professor Jason Letchfrom Scottish government
So if true then clearly substance behind it


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In the Thursday Scottish government lunchtime briefing, Jason Leitch answered a journalist’s question saying you could “pencil in October as a possible date for sports crowds to return BUT not to overwrite that with a pen yet”.

However, later in the briefing Nicola Sturgeon clarified that the October date was not to be taken as a given and that Prof Leitch’s comment could have been taken out of context.

It’s the first time I’ve heard any potential date mentioned. Personally can’t see it happening as early as October but you never know.

[Sir David Gray]

In the Thursday Scottish government lunchtime briefing, Jason Leitch answered a journalist’s question saying you could “pencil in October as a possible date for sports crowds to return BUT not to overwrite that with a pen yet”.

However, later in the briefing Nicola Sturgeon clarified that the October date was not to be taken as a given and that Prof Leitch’s comment could have been taken out of context.

It’s the first time I’ve heard any potential date mentioned. Personally can’t see it happening as early as October but you never know.

Sturgeon also said they haven't told anyone to "pencil in" football fans for October and the football authorities haven't been given any date for fans to come back.

I'm not quite sure how Jason Leitch's comments could have been taken out of context as she's suggested when "pencil in October" is exactly what he's told football fans to do. :dunno:

I'm still sticking with what I've said all along which is that it will be next year before fans attend football matches again in Scotland.

[Stairway 2 7]

Sturgeon also said they haven't told anyone to "pencil in" football fans for October and the football authorities haven't been given any date for fans to come back.

I'm not quite sure how Jason Leitch's comments could have been taken out of context as she's suggested when "pencil in October" is exactly what he's told football fans to do. :dunno:

I'm still sticking with what I've said all along which is that it will be next year before fans attend football matches again in Scotland.

Did you think we'd be getting a pint in the boozer mid July a month ago?

[jacomo]

Did you think we'd be getting a pint in the boozer mid July a month ago?


Pubs will not be as you remember them when they reopen. Lots of measures put in place to avoid folk from different households mixing together - which is the big issue with any large event.

[Berwickhibby]

Daily Record ... yes I know it’s a rag .. but stating no football with fans for months https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-government-collision-course-nicola-22293031

[Stairway 2 7]

Pubs will not be as you remember them when they reopen. Lots of measures put in place to avoid folk from different households mixing together - which is the big issue with any large event.

Not the point most people thought boozers would be the winter. Cases down to 3 in every 100,000 in Scotland, we're getting there. They told us schools would be 50% for the year then 100% 5 days later, we'll just have to wait and see

[blackpoolhibs]

Football fans are a different breed, travelling to away games and even home games on a bus, they will shout, scream and sing during that bus journey, all sitting in close proximity to each other .

Then they will go to a pub, do the same with others from different buses and cars, then congregate together usually in one end with others who've done the same in different buses and different pubs.

What could possibly go wrong?

Now i know away supporters will probably be banned for a good while, but most clubs run travel buses for home games, some many many buses from all over the country.

I'm still to be convinced we will see fans back in the stadiums this year, maybe even this season, as the UK are still way behind most countries where this virus in concerned.

[Hibs90]

Football fans are a different breed, travelling to away games and even home games on a bus, they will shout, scream and sing during that bus journey, all sitting in close proximity to each other .

Then they will go to a pub, do the same with others from different buses and cars, then congregate together usually in one end with others who've done the same in different buses and different pubs.

What could possibly go wrong?

Now i know away supporters will probably be banned for a good while, but most clubs run travel buses for home games, some many many buses from all over the country.

I'm still to be convinced we will see fans back in the stadiums this year, maybe even this season, as the UK are still way behind most countries where this virus in concerned.

By the UK you mean England right

[The dalmeny]

Nope, but young people are now the main source of it's spread.

Too many of the wee boogers don't seem to care about social distancing.

I'd lock them all up till it's over.

source?

[blackpoolhibs]

By the UK you mean England right

No. UK. Buses and cars are filled every weekend travelling to games in Scotland, unless the virus gets off at the border?

[Ronniekirk]

In the Thursday Scottish government lunchtime briefing, Jason Leitch answered a journalist’s question saying you could “pencil in October as a possible date for sports crowds to return BUT not to overwrite that with a pen yet”.

However, later in the briefing Nicola Sturgeon clarified that the October date was not to be taken as a given and that Prof Leitch’s comment could have been taken out of context.

It’s the first time I’ve heard any potential date mentioned. Personally can’t see it happening as early as October but you never know.

We are at early July and hardly any deaths and low transmission rate They are putting in every mitigating factor under the Sun
If Scotland can’t achieve it.by October ( I predict there will be no second wave during this time , even spikes in Scotland will be low given compliance with rules ) then I despair
Are we just going to wait fir Winter snd Bad Flu will see mass panic and fear
We were told we need to learn to live with the virus not fear it Be sensible but there needs to be Political Will
No one is expecting full houses



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[Sir David Gray]

Did you think we'd be getting a pint in the boozer mid July a month ago?

It was announced on 21st May that pubs would be allowed to open inside areas from phase 3 of the route map. Getting to phase 3 was always likely to happen around mid-July. It was also just under a month ago that the 15th July was given as a provisional date for pubs and restaurants to reopen so yes I probably did expect it.

[Wakeyhibee]

Scottish government are going to find it hard to allow folk into a pub socially distanced indoor and not allow 300 - 500 outdoor in Central Park or the like for example.

The hard part is the top end, OF especially for obvious reasons.

[04Sauzee]

Surprised Hibs haven't done anything like this yet

https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Get_back_in_the_ground_with_Dunfermlin e_Athletic_Fans_At_The_Game&ID=12473

[Billy Whizz]

Surprised Hibs haven't done anything like this yet

https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Get_back_in_the_ground_with_Dunfermlin e_Athletic_Fans_At_The_Game&ID=12473

Think it’s £25, which is quite steep. Wonder how much the club will get out of the £25, probably not a lot

[04Sauzee]

Think it’s £25, which is quite steep. Wonder how much the club will get out of the £25, probably not a lot

Could be along similar lines it's amazing what people will pay for

[Ozyhibby]

It was announced on 21st May that pubs would be allowed to open inside areas from phase 3 of the route map. Getting to phase 3 was always likely to happen around mid-July. It was also just under a month ago that the 15th July was given as a provisional date for pubs and restaurants to reopen so yes I probably did expect it.

Pubs are now being told they will be able to have one metre distancing inside. Surely that means that an outdoor football stadium can do the same? A bit of common sense needed now. That would allow all season ticket holder to attend Easter road.


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[marinello59]

Pubs are now being told they will be able to have one metre distancing inside. Surely that means that an outdoor football stadium can do the same? A bit of common sense needed now. That would allow all season ticket holder to attend Easter road.


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Agreed. It can and should be done.

[Keith_M]

source?


Grumpy old man prejudice....


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[The dalmeny]

Watching the Super Rugby from Oz, looks like the fans are sitting about 2-3 seats between each other in alternate rows, not huge numbers in the ground but shows it can work

[Keith_M]

Pubs are now being told they will be able to have one metre distancing inside. Surely that means that an outdoor football stadium can do the same? A bit of common sense needed now. That would allow all season ticket holder to attend Easter road.


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If it's one metre, wouldn't you still have to have two empty seats between each person?

:dunno:

[The dalmeny]

Grumpy old man prejudice....


:wink:

i can relate to that :thumbsup:

[Sir David Gray]

Pubs are now being told they will be able to have one metre distancing inside. Surely that means that an outdoor football stadium can do the same? A bit of common sense needed now. That would allow all season ticket holder to attend Easter road.


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What was the point in having a deadline to reserve your existing seat if a large number of people will have to sit in other parts of the stadium for a certain period of time.

Also, now that Easter Road is split into different pricing categories, if you've paid for a seat in the gold zone but get shifted to a seat in the silver zone, will you be due a refund? Similarly if you've paid for a seat in the silver zone and get moved to the gold zone, will you need to pay the difference?

I know the answer to that by the way, I'm just thinking out loud.

[Clarence]

Watching the Super Rugby from Oz, looks like the fans are sitting about 2-3 seats between each other in alternate rows, not huge numbers in the ground but shows it can work

That sounds like bliss.

[Ozyhibby]

What was the point in having a deadline to reserve your existing seat if a large number of people will have to sit in other parts of the stadium for a certain period of time.

Also, now that Easter Road is split into different pricing categories, if you've paid for a seat in the gold zone but get shifted to a seat in the silver zone, will you be due a refund? Similarly if you've paid for a seat in the silver zone and get moved to the gold zone, will you need to pay the difference?

I know the answer to that by the way, I'm just thinking out loud.

Whatever happens, it’s better than not getting in at all.


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[Ozyhibby]

If it's one metre, wouldn't you still have to have two empty seats between each person?

:dunno:

That could probably be balanced with all the people from the same household who can sit together.


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[Since90+2]

What was the point in having a deadline to reserve your existing seat if a large number of people will have to sit in other parts of the stadium for a certain period of time.

Also, now that Easter Road is split into different pricing categories, if you've paid for a seat in the gold zone but get shifted to a seat in the silver zone, will you be due a refund? Similarly if you've paid for a seat in the silver zone and get moved to the gold zone, will you need to pay the difference?

I know the answer to that by the way, I'm just thinking out loud.

You make a good point about zones. Mines is classed as gold but if I get moved to a lower priced area then I will be expecting the price difference to be refunded.

[Peevemor]

You make a good point about zones. Mines is classed as gold but if I get moved to a lower priced area then I will be expecting the price difference to be refunded.If folk are going to be like that, they'll just admit a certain percentage of people from each zone.

[Springbank]

If folk are going to be like that, they'll just admit a certain percentage of people from each zone.

Yeah it did come across as a bit "can't see the wood for the trees"

Global pandemic
Threat of no football for months
Strenuous efforts made to accommodate fans
Some fans want £1.50 refund though?

[Since90+2]

Yeah it did come across as a bit "can't see the wood for the trees"

Global pandemic
Threat of no football for months
Strenuous efforts made to accommodate fans
Some fans want £1.50 refund though?

I've just spent £420 on a gold season ticket , despite being unemployed due to coronavirus, and also never requested a refund when they were offered for missed games last season. I think I've certainly done more than a good proportion of fans to support the club.

However, if there is any chance that fans will need to be moved into lower priced sections (and I suspect Hibs will know whether or not that is likely to be required) then they should not have sold season tickets at different pricing levels. IMO they should have all been sold at the same tier.

[Carheenlea]

I reckon closed doors August & September and full stadiums by late October - face masks compulsory.

Things seem to be getting back to some sort of normal a bit quicker than maybe was first thought so I`m more hopeful of getting back inside Easter Road this side of New Year than I was a number of weeks ago.

[tamig]

I've just spent £420 on a gold season ticket , despite being unemployed due to coronavirus, and also never requested a refund when they were offered for missed games last season. I think I've certainly done more than a good proportion of fans to support the club.

However, if there is any chance that fans will need to be moved into lower priced sections (and I suspect Hibs will know whether or not that is likely to be required) then they should not have sold season tickets at different pricing levels. IMO they should have all been sold at the same tier.

The way things are I think the vast majority are realistic enough to appreciate that they may not be in the seat they’ve purchased - certainly once crowds are initially allowed back in. I’d be surprised if there were more than a handful like yourself who’d be looking for a refund. If you’re being serious with that - regardless of your situation - its a pretty poor show imo.

[Since90+2]

The way things are I think the vast majority are realistic enough to appreciate that they may not be in the seat they’ve purchased - certainly once crowds are initially allowed back in. I’d be surprised if there were more than a handful like yourself who’d be looking for a refund. If you’re being serious with that - regardless of your situation - its a pretty poor show imo.

Fair enough.

I think people are aware they might not be in their specific seat , and if the fans know this Hibs certainty will , so therefore season tickets shouldn't have been sold at different levels.

As has been pointed out you could have a situation where someone who has paid for a gold seat is placed in a silver area and someone who has paid for a silver is in a gold. That's not right IMO and could easily been avoided if season tickets had been left as a blanket price.

[Eyrie]

Fair enough.

I think people are aware they might not be in their specific seat , and if the fans know this Hibs certainty will , so therefore season tickets shouldn't have been sold at different levels.

As has been pointed out you could have a situation where someone who has paid for a gold seat is placed in a silver area and someone who has paid for a silver is in a gold. That's not right IMO and could easily been avoided if season tickets had been left as a blanket price.

The gold seats will only be available to those with gold season tickets, whether by assignment or on a first come first served basis. No reason to assume otherwise.

[Ozyhibby]

We might not even be in the stadium we bought the season ticket for, never mind the exact seat. I have a gold seat but so long as I get in to see the game I’ll be delighted.


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[CMurdoch]

Fair enough.

I think people are aware they might not be in their specific seat , and if the fans know this Hibs certainty will , so therefore season tickets shouldn't have been sold at different levels.

As has been pointed out you could have a situation where someone who has paid for a gold seat is placed in a silver area and someone who has paid for a silver is in a gold. That's not right IMO and could easily been avoided if season tickets had been left as a blanket price.

I don't agree with your refund chat but back you on your opinion that season tickets should have been left at a blanket price. Different prices sets us apart from each other. Fellow supporters not customers.

[marinello59]

I've just spent £420 on a gold season ticket , despite being unemployed due to coronavirus, and also never requested a refund when they were offered for missed games last season. I think I've certainly done more than a good proportion of fans to support the club.

However, if there is any chance that fans will need to be moved into lower priced sections (and I suspect Hibs will know whether or not that is likely to be required) then they should not have sold season tickets at different pricing levels. IMO they should have all been sold at the same tier.

The different pricing levels were in place before the pandemic hit.

[Since90+2]

The different pricing levels were in place before the pandemic hit.

Season tickets weren't launched until the end of March were they not? I'm sure the country was in full lockdown before they even went on sale.

[Tambo]

Times flies, it seems like yesterday I was at the Peterborough train station on the friday before the St Johnstone game to find out it was called off so I got the bus back home.

Murryfield still an option? I understand it's going to be hard to control big crowds but I would like to see fans back at least September.

How many of the season ticket holders are going to want to go to games so early also is another question.

[Sir David Gray]

The different pricing levels were in place before the pandemic hit.

Season tickets didn't go on sale until 27th March.

The WHO made it a pandemic on 11th March.

[CockneyRebel]

Season tickets didn't go on sale until 27th March.

The WHO made it a pandemic on 11th March.


I think the poster meant that the pricing levels were set by the club some time before the tickets went on sale which is kinda logical.

[SingaporeHibs]

I know people are just chewing the fat over what may or not happen but it highlights how nuts this period is. We’ve gone from debates about Football not being played in front of fans all season, debates about Football not starting as it’s impossible to ask footballers to put themselves at risk from not social distancing on the pitch/training and now I’m reading debates about going back to watch games but maybe not getting to sit in the correct category of seat.
How quickly social perception of the period can change. Would maybe make for an interesting survey. IF ER remains closed all season and we can only watch on Hibs TV will people accept that for the price of a ST. (Not ask for a refund). IF ER reopens for a % of lucky fans (maybe picked by lottery), will those not lucky to get in still accept watching on Hibs TV (not ask for refund). IF you are lucky enough to get into ER but end up in a bronze seat when you paid for a gold seat, are you still happy to be one of the lucky ones (not ask for a refund)..
Despite seeing more freedom my opinion is that we are a Long way from life getting back to normal. Big crowds at Football stadiums or concerts or the like are going to be some of the last things we experience in a normal way.
Australia generally had very little COVID vs European countries and yet parts of Melbourne are going back into full lockdown, same in Spain. The Americas are going through a very tough period now despite their lockdowns mostly being lifted.
The UK are about to allow people to start traveling again, that surely can’t end well.
For me, I’ve zero expectations on watching Hibs in person this coming season and mentally that’s probably the best place to be as I can’t be disappointed. Never mind worrying about what seat I may get. Stay safe fellow Hibees both physically and mentally.

[GreenCastle]

Don’t forget the Old Firm...

We could use Murrayfield but when the Old Firm have a large number of ST holders where does that leave them?

Also surely the league :/ government will say all teams can have fans or all teams have no fans.

Add in the expense at Murrayfield for stewards etc - I can see it being ER as normal or nothing with facemasks and 1 way system for toilets etc.

[Sir David Gray]

I think the poster meant that the pricing levels were set by the club some time before the tickets went on sale which is kinda logical.

Yes that will be true but I suppose since they hadn't gone on sale yet, the counter argument would be that they could have had a rethink.

[Keith_M]

That could probably be balanced with all the people from the same household who can sit together.


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Actually, it wouldn't. Having people sitting in groups wouldn't increase the potential number inside the stadium, unless the groups themselves are absolutely massive.


I'm a bit p1ssed just now but I'll post an explanation of the logic behind that tomorrow, when I've sobered up

:wink:


Maybe somebody a bit more sober can explain it to you in the meantime...

[Ronniekirk]

I know people are just chewing the fat over what may or not happen but it highlights how nuts this period is. We’ve gone from debates about Football not being played in front of fans all season, debates about Football not starting as it’s impossible to ask footballers to put themselves at risk from not social distancing on the pitch/training and now I’m reading debates about going back to watch games but maybe not getting to sit in the correct category of seat.
How quickly social perception of the period can change. Would maybe make for an interesting survey. IF ER remains closed all season and we can only watch on Hibs TV will people accept that for the price of a ST. (Not ask for a refund). IF ER reopens for a % of lucky fans (maybe picked by lottery), will those not lucky to get in still accept watching on Hibs TV (not ask for refund). IF you are lucky enough to get into ER but end up in a bronze seat when you paid for a gold seat, are you still happy to be one of the lucky ones (not ask for a refund)..
Despite seeing more freedom my opinion is that we are a Long way from life getting back to normal. Big crowds at Football stadiums or concerts or the like are going to be some of the last things we experience in a normal way.
Australia generally had very little COVID vs European countries and yet parts of Melbourne are going back into full lockdown, same in Spain. The Americas are going through a very tough period now despite their lockdowns mostly being lifted.
The UK are about to allow people to start traveling again, that surely can’t end well.
For me, I’ve zero expectations on watching Hibs in person this coming season and mentally that’s probably the best place to be as I can’t be disappointed. Never mind worrying about what seat I may get. Stay safe fellow Hibees both physically and mentally.

I only bought mine the other day with high expectations of watching my team play this year
But if I don’t get to see them in person for the coming season ,then my pragmatic view is The Club needed financial support in unprecedented times , I stepped up to the Plate and have no qualms about doing that
I am lucky I can afford to do that so I wouldn’t be looking for money back


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[Tambo]

A third of fans are less likely to attend Scottish football matches next season, according to a Scottish Football Supporters Association survey.

More that 1,500 people, 90% of whom regularly attend games, took part.

SFSA chairman Andy Smith says the prospect of a "post Covid recession" and fear of getting coronavirus are among the issues concerning fans.

"The scary thing is that up to 34% would either be going less than half as often or not at all," he said

[The Baldmans Comb]

I reckon closed doors August & September and full stadiums by late October - face masks compulsory.

Things seem to be getting back to some sort of normal a bit quicker than maybe was first thought so I`m more hopeful of getting back inside Easter Road this side of New Year than I was a number of weeks ago.

If there is 60,000 people inside a full Celtic Park wearing facemasks sometime in late October then Scotland or any other society has truly gone mad.

There isn't an on/off switch regarding this pandemic. Its a long long road back for live cultural events involving spectators which will recover on a slow incremental basis starting from a hugely restricted base.

[Tyler Durden]

If there is 60,000 people inside a full Celtic Park wearing facemasks sometime in late October then Scotland or any other society has truly gone mad.

There isn't an on/off switch regarding this pandemic. Its a long long road back for live cultural events involving spectators which will recover on a slow incremental basis starting from a hugely restricted base.

Not at all.

We could have this virtually eliminated by August/September and at that point the main threat is “imported” cases. We could largely lead normal lives if this is managed well and the track and trace model is effective.

[danhibees1875]

Actually, it wouldn't. Having people sitting in groups wouldn't increase the potential number inside the stadium, unless the groups themselves are absolutely massive.


I'm a bit p1ssed just now but I'll post an explanation of the logic behind that tomorrow, when I've sobered up

:wink:


Maybe somebody a bit more sober can explain it to you in the meantime...

Are you sober yet? I feel like having small groups sit together would allow more people in and want to hear the alternative explanation. :greengrin

I don't imagine Hibs will refund/charge people for moving them between zones. If they do need to implement social distancing when we're back and they have to move people then the expectation will be for fans just to get on with it. Doubt there would be more than a handful of fans that kick up a fuss over the move for a couple of games, especially given the circumstances.

[bigwheel]

Not at all.

We could have this virtually eliminated by August/September and at that point the main threat is “imported” cases. We could largely lead normal lives if this is managed well and the track and trace model is effective.

Would be nice but with lockdown easing and cross border movement starting again, a more likely scenario is an uplift in transmission over the next couple of months. I suspect you’re too optimistic on these timescales.


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[Tyler Durden]

Would be nice but with lockdown easing and cross border movement starting again, a more likely scenario is an uplift in transmission over the next couple of months. I suspect you’re too optimistic on these timescales.


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Maybe so.

But with reference to the post I quoted, if we have full stadiums in October, society won’t have gone mad. We’ll simply be following carefully considered government guidance. Repeated lockdowns doesn’t have to be the reality in Scotland.

[blackpoolhibs]

Pubs are now being told they will be able to have one metre distancing inside. Surely that means that an outdoor football stadium can do the same? A bit of common sense needed now. That would allow all season ticket holder to attend Easter road.


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I went to the pub yesterday at 2pm and the rules and regulations you have to go through are very strict, you are supposed to stay at your allocated table, only leaving to go to the toilet. You can go 6bar but table service was available too. By the time we left at midnight, you could see most of the rules were being ignored, and people were going to other tables to sit and talk with other friends who'd come in. The staff were on it early doors, but later in the evening it was really just being ignored by the majority. Would football be any different?

[Sir David Gray]

I went to the pub yesterday at 2pm and the rules and regulations you have to go through are very strict, you are supposed to stay at your allocated table, only leaving to go to the toilet. You can go 6bar but table service was available too. By the time we left at midnight, you could see most of the rules were being ignored, and people were going to other tables to sit and talk with other friends who'd come in. The staff were on it early doors, but later in the evening it was really just being ignored by the majority. Would football be any different?

Nope.

Good luck trying to enforce a 1 metre rule (or even a 2 metre rule) if Christian Doidge scores a last minute winner against Rangers.

[macca70]

Not at all.

We could have this virtually eliminated by August/September and at that point the main threat is “imported” cases. We could largely lead normal lives if this is managed well and the track and trace model is effective.

Although the number of cases in Scotland are very low, as we start to move through the phases and open up more, it’s inevitable the number of cases will creep up exactly whats happened south of the border.

For the sake of a couple more weeks with stricter lockdown, we could have pretty much cleared Scotland of it completely.

I’m not saying staying in lockdown for evermore is the answer but it if there are still cases out there and these are the cases we know about, there will still be folk out and about mingling that haven’t been tested and even know they have it. It will only mean the numbers start to go back up. It’s then up to individuals and families to make a decision for themselves, how much risk they want to take by going to public places like pubs, restaurants etc.

I just can’t see how we are going to have thousands of folk in a stadium any time soon, certainly not this year.

[CockneyRebel]

I went to the pub yesterday at 2pm and the rules and regulations you have to go through are very strict, you are supposed to stay at your allocated table, only leaving to go to the toilet. You can go 6bar but table service was available too. By the time we left at midnight, you could see most of the rules were being ignored, and people were going to other tables to sit and talk with other friends who'd come in. The staff were on it early doors, but later in the evening it was really just being ignored by the majority. Would football be any different?



I have observed folk throughout this whole sad period and at no stage (even now) has there been anywhere near a reasonable response to the issued guidance. Quite a few youngsters but mainly 30 to 50 year olds have paid no heed to social distancing especially on pavements and in shops. The "local" exercise rule was broken from the very beginning and groups of folk chatting as close together as before the virus and the inevitable smug a***hole pavement cyclists. If these folk were the only ones at risk then maybe a bit of karma but the potential to spread the problem increased through these selfish actions. IMO this is what will lead to the same folk or the same mindset preventing a more manageable return to our (new) normal.

[ancient hibee]

Although I renewed my season ticket it was in the knowledge that as my age group is the prime target for the virus I won't be going back until there is a vaccine.Given the age of a lot who sit near me I guess I won't be the only one making this choice.Obviously easier to do if you only pay the old codgers price.Once any system for attendance is announced I'll let the club know.

[Phil MaGlass]

With more outbreaks now happening all over Spain and Italy (for the 5th day running), I honestly believe especially the way the english govt has failed spectacularly on this virus, I reckon we will not be attending any games until next year, the fact that muppet Johnson is letting folk go into pubs and travel abroad is absolutely stunning. More and more regions in Europe are going back into lockdown.

Oh and just reported in Spanish press, folk told not to smoke or vape in public as it seems the exhaled smoke may contain high viral loads.

On Thursday, the Health Ministry released a statement saying cigarette smoke or vapor “can contain high viral loads and be highly contagious.” It also warned that smoking makes people more likely to touch their mouths.

[CockneyRebel]

With more outbreaks now happening all over Spain and Italy (for the 5th day running), I honestly believe especially the way the english govt has failed spectacularly on this virus, I reckon we will not be attending any games until next year, the fact that muppet Johnson is letting folk go into pubs and travel abroad is absolutely stunning. More and more regions in Europe are going back into lockdown.

Oh and just reported in Spanish press, folk told not to smoke or vape in public as it seems the exhaled smoke may contain high viral loads.

On Thursday, the Health Ministry released a statement saying cigarette smoke or vapor “can contain high viral loads and be highly contagious.” It also warned that smoking makes people more likely to touch their mouths.




I know that the economy needs the boost from tourism as well as other industries but letting folk holiday overseas is criminal. I fear infection spikes all over the place. As usual I sincerely hope I'm wrong but I fear this is a gamble with very high stakes

[Since90+2]

I think the uncomfortable reality is that this virus simply cannot be controlled without the absence of a near total lockdown. It's simply too contagious to control with any form of movement of the population. A complete closure of the borders along with the lockdown would be required.

The reality is that we would effectively need to shut down huge parts of the economy until a vaccine is found and available, let's say that's 18 months away. The societal and economic damage that length of lockdown would cause would likely lead to more deaths than the actual virus itself.

[The dalmeny]

I think the uncomfortable reality is that this virus simply cannot be controlled without the absence of a near total lockdown. It's simply too contagious to control with any form of movement of the population. A complete closure of the borders along with the lockdown would be required.

The reality is that we would effectively need to shut down huge parts of the economy until a vaccine is found and available, let's say that's 18 months away. The societal and economic damage that length of lockdown would cause would likely lead to more deaths than the actual virus itself.

I think that’s all pretty fair, the figures reflect the fact we’ve been locked down of a fashion since March so it will be interesting to see how easement affects the figures. It does rely on folk to use common sense, and it’s clear in some that’s lacking.

theres also the issue that for the majority of us we’re protecting others as the virus seems to affect older people more. Under 1000 deaths of people under 75. I wonder how many of those had under lying issues. It’s a difficult one but I’m not sure you can run the economy into the ground

[CMurdoch]

Yesterday was a landmark day for the UK with the 7 day average for CV19 deaths in the UK falling below 100 (97) with less than 40 within hospitals. Highest death tolls announced last week were on Tuesday (155), Wednesday (176) and Friday (136). Hopefully next week those days can see further reductions.

[Keith_M]

Are you sober yet? I feel like having small groups sit together would allow more people in and want to hear the alternative explanation. :greengrin

....



Sobered up and got rid of the hangover, thanks :greengrin


So, imagine the first scenario is that you have to sit alone, have one empty seat on each side, and an empty seat in front and behind, that would mean you could use exactly 50% of available seats.

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You will have Seven in the first row, and Seven in the second row = Fourteen in total.


Groups

Then watch the side-effect of putting the first row in groups, but keeping the rule that no one is allowed to sit directly in front...



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Now you have Ten in the first row (woopee!), but there are only Four available seats in the second row, as you can't sit somebody directly in front of somebody else. So, the Maximim number you can now fit in those rows is.... Fourteen.


This is where it then gets complicated...

You've also created quite a conundrum for the third row, as you either use all Ten seats in identical groupings as in the First row, or you'll end up with an even lower number.


...and so on for subsequent rows.


See, it's not so easy :wink:

[Ronniekirk]

Update from Leanne saying Jason Leigh is saying Children could be allowed back to football first Makes sense since they will all be going back to School in August
Good way to grown next generation as well
Will need to look out my AC/DC Angus Young outfit


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[The Baldmans Comb]

Not at all.

We could have this virtually eliminated by August/September and at that point the main threat is “imported” cases. We could largely lead normal lives if this is managed well and the track and trace model is effective.

Its the "imported" cases that's the problem as I take your later point about Scotland being well on the way to eliminating the virus, which is a tribute to the people of this country who have on the whole been very supportive of the measures taken so far.

The proof of course being in the single digit new cases day after day however to maintain this you need security and Scotland can't protect its borders in any meaningful way.

Once the flights from USA begin arriving or the English and European camper vans drive North then imported cases will soon cross over into the local population.

You dont need barricades, barbed wire and soldiers but you do need temperature guns, form filling, discretionary countries, air corridors and the right of refusual to "suspect" travellers and visitors.

Scotland has none of these powers and England seems very uncomfortable granting any leeway.

[The dalmeny]

Update from Leanne saying Jason Leigh is saying Children could be allowed back to football first Makes sense since they will all be going back to School in August
Good way to grown next generation as well
Will need to look out my AC/DC Angus Young outfit


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I think theres hope for something for the kids the week after next

[Billy Whizz]

I think theres hope for something for the kids the week after next

Outdoor football

[The dalmeny]

Outdoor football


Yes, didn't make that clear

[CMurdoch]

Sobered up and got rid of the hangover, thanks :greengrin


So, imagine the first scenario is that you have to sit alone, have one empty seat on each side, and an empty seat in front and behind, that would mean you could use exactly 50% of available seats.

e.g.



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(o = occupied, x = has to be kept free)

You will have Seven in the first row, and Seven in the second row = Fourteen in total.


Groups

Then watch the side-effect of putting the first row in groups, but keeping the rule that no one is allowed to sit directly in front...



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(o = occupied, x = has to be kept free)

Now you have Ten in the first row (woopee!), but there are only Four available seats in the second row, as you can't sit somebody directly in front of somebody else. So, the Maximim number you can now fit in those rows is.... Fourteen.


This is where it then gets complicated...

You've also created quite a conundrum for the third row, as you either use all Ten seats in identical groupings as in the First row, or you'll end up with an even lower number.


...and so on for subsequent rows.


See, it's not so easy :wink:

Good post Keith.
As you say not so easy to make groups work to increase permissible numbers.

[Keith_M]

Good post Keith.
As you say not so easy to make groups work to increase permissible numbers.


Cheers, I had a lot of time on my hands


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[Alex Trager]

https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/1281191310578286594?s=20

Breaking: Scottish Government to give go ahead for limited fans inside stadia within weeks. Green light for test events but unlikely football season to start with fans. Comes a week after government advisors said unlikely fans back before October. Subject to social distancing

[04Sauzee]

BBC Journo on twitter

Definitely no fans back for start of the new SPFL Premiership season but those within the game have been told if things progress, fans could be back sooner than expected. Test events definitely part of that process. All dependent on no resurgence of the virus.

[04Sauzee]

Government gives the go ahead for the Scottish Premiership to start behind closed doors from the 1st August

[Ronniekirk]

Government gives the go ahead for the Scottish Premiership to start behind closed doors from the 1st August

Without Hearts Surely this is some form of Injustice


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[portyfelly]

So it will be some Tuesday at a random time in the future when it will be ok to open the doors of ER wide.
Hope they have the ticket things working right.

I was so wishing it would be a Saturday:cb

[The dalmeny]

BBC Journo on twitter

Definitely no fans back for start of the new SPFL Premiership season but those within the game have been told if things progress, fans could be back sooner than expected. Test events definitely part of that process. All dependent on no resurgence of the virus.

Rugby at Murrayfield 22/8 possible test event

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/1281191310578286594?s=20

Breaking: Scottish Government to give go ahead for limited fans inside stadia within weeks. Green light for test events but unlikely football season to start with fans. Comes a week after government advisors said unlikely fans back before October. Subject to social distancing

Details.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stadium-sector-guidance-for-professional-football-and-rugby/pages/matches-with-limited-spectators/

Edit. Behind closed doors friendly immediately.

[Sir David Gray]

Sturgeon reiterates there is no date for when fans might return and doesn't expect it to be any time soon.

[Eyrie]

Without Hearts Surely this is some form of Injustice


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Sturgeon's married to a Hibby, so I think it was deliberate.

[CMurdoch]

UK 7 day average Covid 19 deaths now down to 74

Scotland 7 day average deaths for week ending 5th July was only 2 and a bit! (17 deaths in the week)
10 weeks ago there was 660 Covid 19 deaths in Scotland. That's more than 97% of a drop in 10 weeks.

Barring stupidity we are well on our way to the new normal and getting back to Easter Road.

October anybody?

[lyonhibs]

UK 7 day average Covid 19 deaths now down to 74

Scotland 7 day average deaths for week ending 5th July was only 2 and a bit! (17 deaths in the week)
10 weeks ago there was 660 Covid 19 deaths in Scotland. That's more than 97% of a drop in 10 weeks.

Barring stupidity we are well on our way to the new normal and getting back to Easter Road.

October anybody?

There's a 2nd wave to be dealt with, the breadth and seriousness of which can't be estimated yet but the usual "flu season" of late Autumn/winter won't help.

Also you say "barring stupidity" which, given the potential spread of an infectious virus that could be caused by relatively few people, is highly optimistic to almost the point of delusion unfortunately. In 1 way or another, the dunderheids out there that think this is all a big capitalist mind control exercise and act accordingly will have an impact of sorts.

Big arena/stadium gigs and major sporting events will be the very last things to return, I'd be surprised if that happened in 2020.

[HappyAsHellas]

Greece yesterday reported 60 new cases of corona virus, 42 of which were tourists. Greek medical experts said that 50 new cases a day would be time to be concerned and they've passed that within 2 weeks of re opening. Interesting to see what happens next, I'm sure other countries will be taking note - but not Boris obviously.

[EI255]

They're attending in their droves in Poland!

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[EI255]

Greece yesterday reported 60 new cases of corona virus, 42 of which were tourists. Greek medical experts said that 50 new cases a day would be time to be concerned and they've passed that within 2 weeks of re opening. Interesting to see what happens next, I'm sure other countries will be taking note - but not Boris obviously.Quite simply, in the UK, making money is far more important than health. History will judge Boris and his party.

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[ancient hibee]

Quite simply, in the UK, making money is far more important than health. History will judge Boris and his party.

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I think you will find that the money to pay for healthcare may come from people working.

[04Sauzee]

Scottish Premiership records zero coronavirus cases following latest batch of testing
Clean bill of health for top flight clubs as new season approaches

[Billy Whizz]

Scottish Premiership records zero coronavirus cases following latest batch of testing
Clean bill of health for top flight clubs as new season approaches

Another real positive

[B.H.F.C]

Just came across a game top flight game in Denmark which has a fair number of fans in. One of the teams just scored a late winner and it’s fair to say there was no social distancing in the crowd when celebrating.

Denmark currently recording slightly more daily cases than Scotland. Surely offers some hope that we could get back sooner rather than later.

[04Sauzee]

FC Copenhagen had a crowd of 7665 the other day there, I think their stadium holds just over 38k

[we are hibs]

https://www.rangers.talent-sport.co.uk/PagesPublic/Hospitality/Hospitality.aspx


The huns seem to be selling hospitality packages from late August onwards..

[04Sauzee]

Borris talking about fans in England being back in stadiums in October, not sure if there are to be trials and if there will be restrictions

[Dalianwanda]

Borris talking about fans in England being back in stadiums in October, not sure if there are to be trials and if there will be restrictions

Boris says a lot.....then hides

[supermcginn]

Borris talking about fans in England being back in stadiums in October, not sure if there are to be trials and if there will be restrictions
5000 fans allowed at goodwood races on August 1st and fans also allowed at world snooker champs in 2 weeks in sheffield.

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder when we’ll get back in

[CMurdoch]

5000 fans allowed at goodwood races on August 1st and fans also allowed at world snooker champs in 2 weeks in sheffield.

That's an interesting development.

P.S. the 7 day average for folk dying in hospitals in the UK of Covid 19 is now down to 22. Should be single figures by the end of the month.

[Wakeyhibee]

Wonder when we’ll get back in

I would think a similar timescale, pilots in early September then if ok maybe October for limited crowds. For L1 & 2 I would hope they would be near to normal as the crowds are usually less than 1k and I cant think of a stadium where that's not possible socially distanced.

[Keith_M]

Johnson was also asked some questions regarding allowing grandparents to babysit to enable parents to get back to work, but his answer apparently contradicted the actual rules.

I'm not confident of anything he says about the return of spectators.

[where'stheslope]

Johnson was also asked some questions regarding allowing grandparents to babysit to enable parents to get back to work, but his answer apparently contradicted the actual rules.

I'm not confident of anything he says about the return of spectators.
I think your absolutely correct about Boris, when asked at dinnertime about the advice the Chief Medical Officer had given, he then admitted it was a risk strategy?
Its OK to take risks with others lives for him, for the rest of us, we get the pain and heartache.
Now everything is about the money not peoples welfare??

[Scouse Hibee]

Borris talking about fans in England being back in stadiums in October, not sure if there are to be trials and if there will be restrictions

What Boris says today means nothing tomorrow.

[The dalmeny]

What Boris says today means nothing tomorrow.


Hilariously correct

[plhibs]

https://www.rangers.talent-sport.co.uk/PagesPublic/Hospitality/Hospitality.aspx


The huns seem to be selling hospitality packages from late August onwards..

When are pubs and restaurants open in Scotland, trying to find info on the Gov. site is confusing.

[Sir David Gray]

When are pubs and restaurants open in Scotland, trying to find info on the Gov. site is confusing.

They were able to open indoors from Wednesday.

[plhibs]

They were able to open indoors from Wednesday.

Thanks SDG i suppose that means a certain amount of fans would be able to go to home games ?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

My concern would be winter when it's expected to rise again. You will undoubtedly get mix up with common cold, flu and covid-19 if the symptoms are similar. They seem to be anticipating a winter wave to be worse than the first. They've obviously run the data but no one will know for sure until it happens

[Sir David Gray]

Thanks SDG i suppose that means a certain amount of fans would be able to go to home games ?

No date has been set for when audiences might be able to attend live events in Scotland. There will hopefully be an update at the next scheduled review on 30th July.

[Billy Whizz]

http://www.celticfc.net/news/18332

[plhibs]

No date has been set for when audiences might be able to attend live events in Scotland. There will hopefully be an update at the next scheduled review on 30th July.

I thought they might be able to sell hospitality when games were on, obviously not stadium seats. I've never been in that area other than for a stadium tour.

[Sir David Gray]

I thought they might be able to sell hospitality when games were on, obviously not stadium seats. I've never been in that area other than for a stadium tour.

I don't think so. I'm fairly certain that, to begin with, access to the stadium is to be restricted to the bare minimum number of people whose attendance is considered essential to the game being able to be played.

[jgl07]

What Boris says today means nothing tomorrow.

It means nothing today!

[04Sauzee]

Fans remain unlikely to be back in stadiums by October, says Scotland's national clinical director.

It comes after Celtic called for pilot schemes to be trialled in August and warned Scottish football must not be "left behind" by England.

Test events will run in England from 1 August - the date Scotland's top flight begins behind closed doors - with partial crowds planned from October.

"We've not set a date," said Professor Jason Leitch.

Celtic ask for Scottish stadium fan pilots
'Early talks' over test events in Scotland
"We're very hopeful that in the autumn sometime we will be able to run some test events and then get crowds back.

"We want to do that. And if the numbers [of infections] stay the way they are, that's the best way of getting to there.

"If the pubs opening doesn't give us big numbers, then crowds are much more likely than less likely."

Speaking to BBC Scotland's Off The Ball programme, Leitch says "everything is pointing in a good direction" for the top flight to begin as scheduled on 1 August.

Only one Premiership player has tested positive for coronavirus in the 1,991 tests carried out in two weeks.

[hhibs]

I think you will find that the money to pay for healthcare may come from people working.


Indeed,but you are a long time dead too.

[G B Young]

Fans remain unlikely to be back in stadiums by October, says Scotland's national clinical director.

It comes after Celtic called for pilot schemes to be trialled in August and warned Scottish football must not be "left behind" by England.

Test events will run in England from 1 August - the date Scotland's top flight begins behind closed doors - with partial crowds planned from October.

"We've not set a date," said Professor Jason Leitch.

Celtic ask for Scottish stadium fan pilots
'Early talks' over test events in Scotland
"We're very hopeful that in the autumn sometime we will be able to run some test events and then get crowds back.

"We want to do that. And if the numbers [of infections] stay the way they are, that's the best way of getting to there.

"If the pubs opening doesn't give us big numbers, then crowds are much more likely than less likely."

Speaking to BBC Scotland's Off The Ball programme, Leitch says "everything is pointing in a good direction" for the top flight to begin as scheduled on 1 August.

Only one Premiership player has tested positive for coronavirus in the 1,991 tests carried out in two weeks.

If Leitch doesn't think fans will be back by October I wouldn't be too surprised if stadiums remain empty for the rest of the year. The current virus stats from around the world (record number of new global cases announced yesterday, including the highest number of new cases in Scotland for a month) make uncomfortable reading and I think we'll need to be treading extremely carefully for quite some time to come.

[marinello59]

If Leitch doesn't think fans will be back by October I wouldn't be too surprised if stadiums remain empty for the rest of the year. The current virus stats from around the world (record number of new global cases announced yesterday, including the highest number of new cases in Scotland for a month) make uncomfortable reading and I think we'll need to be treading extremely carefully for quite some time to come.

Leitch did mention October 1st previously during one of the daily updates, Sturgeon then jumped in and swiftly rolled back on what he had just said. He just advises, Sturgeon calls the shots, so on that basis I agree, we won’t be back in grounds any time this year.

[Not So Young]

The daily number of new cases has for the past two days been over 20 thats up from just below 10 previous and thats before any increase from this weeks relaxtions for pubs etc.
And before everyone who has nipped out to Spain comes back

[oneone73]

Increased testing, though

[Ringothedog]

Increased testing, though

Using the recent figures It’s about 0.14 % of the population of Scotland have Covid 19. That equates to about 29 people in a full house at Easter Road

[plhibs]

Not soccer, but Toronto Blue Jays have been told they will not be playing their home games in Toronto, even behind closed doors. Gov. does not want teams travelling into the country without going through a quarantine period.

[Ronniekirk]

Using the recent figures It’s about 0.14 % of the population of Scotland have Covid 19. That equates to about 29 people in a full house at Easter Road

And it’s like a Tornado started off a force 6 now weakening to a one
In U S A despite the increased numbers testing positive the deaths rate doesn’t seem to have gone up thst much recently
So clearly something has changed


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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Using the recent figures It’s about 0.14 % of the population of Scotland have Covid 19. That equates to about 29 people in a full house at Easter Road

It’s all just numbers. you’ve seen the animations on how it spreads from 1 to 10 and then those 10 could spread onto ten tho?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

And it’s like a Tornado started off a force 6 now weakening to a one
In U S A despite the increased numbers testing positive the deaths rate doesn’t seem to have gone up thst much recently
So clearly something has changed


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I guess we then get into the civil liberties versus effectively culling the vulnerable debate. Without a vaccine and adequate test, track trace opening up will set things back a bit.

[04Sauzee]

Scottish FA chief exec Ian Maxwell thinks some fans will be inside Hampden for the Scottish Cup semis at the end of Oct. also says he wants to use play off match against Israel on Sep 4th as a test event for getting some supporters back.

[Keith_M]

Scottish FA chief exec Ian Maxwell thinks some fans will be inside Hampden for the Scottish Cup semis at the end of Oct. also says he wants to use play off match against Israel on Sep 4th as a test event for getting some supporters back.


Without wanting to get into politics, I think the extremely cautious approach of the Scottish Government might put paid to that.

If he's right, though, they should definitely prioritize access for fans that don't have to travel too far, to cut down on the number of people using public transport.


For instance, any Hibbies with a G42 Postcode should definitely get one...

[CMurdoch]

Scottish FA chief exec Ian Maxwell thinks some fans will be inside Hampden for the Scottish Cup semis at the end of Oct. also says he wants to use play off match against Israel on Sep 4th as a test event for getting some supporters back.

Bet he does. They will lose a fortune on the play off. Lucky if 5,000 allowed in.

[CMurdoch]

Without wanting to get into politics, I think the extremely cautious approach of the Scottish Government might put paid to that.

If he's right, though, they should definitely prioritize access for fans that don't have to travel too far, to cut down on the number of people using public transport.


For instance, any Hibbies with a G42 Postcode should definitely get one...

but not if your forename is Keith and your surname starts with an M

[Sir David Gray]

Scottish FA chief exec Ian Maxwell thinks some fans will be inside Hampden for the Scottish Cup semis at the end of Oct. also says he wants to use play off match against Israel on Sep 4th as a test event for getting some supporters back.

There's no chance fans will be allowed at a football match in Scotland in just over 6 weeks' time.

[Keith_M]

but not if your forename is Keith and your surname starts with an M


:na na:

[CMurdoch]

Week 29 of Covid finished on Monday and according to the National Records of Scotland there were only 4 Covid deaths registered, 3 people in the range 75-84 and 1 person 85 or over.

Covid 19 won't go away but death from Covid 19 has all but gone away for all but the most fragile folk amongst us.

Until an effective vaccine arrives the authorities will have to play wack-a-mole every time there is an outbreak. The people of Scotland need to continue to be smart with social distancing but we can't hide until the vaccine arrives.

I would currently be more concerned about being inside a boozer with the partially inebriated than a third full stadium in the open air. The bevyed don't do social distancing.

[King Cosell]

Good chance we'll only miss 5 games this season. Probably won't be back for Hamilton on 2nd Oct, St Johnstone on 1st Oct will be moved to next year, back for Celtic on 21st of Nov.

[lucky]

Things are improving all the time. But if want further easing of the restrictions then people should follow the Scottish Government advice. I’m still surprised at the number of people who don’t use hand sanitiser or face covering in shops and public transport. In most cases it’s been young men who are ignoring the rules. Which does not bode well for football. That said 5000 were in attendance at the Celtic game in Paris yesterday including 60 lesser greens

[The dalmeny]

Week 29 of Covid finished on Monday and according to the National Records of Scotland there were only 4 Covid deaths registered, 3 people in the range 75-84 and 1 person 85 or over.

Covid 19 won't go away but death from Covid 19 has all but gone away for all but the most fragile folk amongst us.

Until an effective vaccine arrives the authorities will have to play wack-a-mole every time there is an outbreak. The people of Scotland need to continue to be smart with social distancing but we can't hide until the vaccine arrives.

I would currently be more concerned about being inside a boozer with the partially inebriated than a third full stadium in the open air. The bevyed don't do social distancing.


where are you getting 4 from, report I’m seeing says 6

[CMurdoch]

Good chance we'll only miss 5 games this season. Probably won't be back for Hamilton on 2nd Oct, St Johnstone on 1st Oct will be moved to next year, back for Celtic on 21st of Nov.

That's were i'm at. 4 months until the Celtic game.

[CMurdoch]

where are you getting 4 from, report I’m seeing says 6

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/vital-events/general-publications/weekly-and-monthly-data-on-births-and-deaths/deaths-involving-coronavirus-covid-19-in-scotland/related-statistics
Click on 3rd down listed:Weekly deaths by location of death, age group, sex and cause, 2020
Download excel spreadsheet, click on data the scroll down to 29 which is the last group of entries.

P.S. The weekly report that gives 6 came out today after I posted. The problem with that report is it does not state the age groups of those that have died of Covid 19 which is hugely relevant. A strange anomaly given the same govt department state that information in the document above.

Covid deaths in Scotland now less than 1% of what they were at their peak.

[The dalmeny]

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/vital-events/general-publications/weekly-and-monthly-data-on-births-and-deaths/deaths-involving-coronavirus-covid-19-in-scotland/related-statistics
Click on 3rd down listed:Weekly deaths by location of death, age group, sex and cause, 2020
Download excel spreadsheet, click on data the scroll down to 29 which is the last group of entries.

P.S. The weekly report that gives 6 came out today after I posted. The problem with that report is it does not state the age groups of those that have died of Covid 19 which is hugely relevant. A strange anomaly given the same govt department state that information in the document above.

Covid deaths in Scotland now less than 1% of what they were at their peak.

Theres 4 over 75 and 2 over 85 split care home and hospital in that link. Sorry I’m a pedant but I’m generally in agreement with you too.

[CMurdoch]

Theres 4 over 75 and 2 over 85 split care home and hospital in that link. Sorry I’m a pedant but I’m generally in agreement with you too.

Your right :aok:, no anomaly, see it now 4 entries but 6 deaths. Doh!

[ancient hibee]

That's were i'm at. 4 months until the Celtic game.

If you mean normal attendance at that game then there is zero chance of that happening.A few people sit near each other at break time in a call centre and before you can turn round there are 20 new cases and 5 different premises being investigated.That is the new reality.

[superfurryhibby]

If you mean normal attendance at that game then there is zero chance of that happening.A few people sit near each other at break time in a call centre and before you can turn round there are 20 new cases and 5 different premises being investigated.That is the new reality.

Totally agree. There are thousands of residents in care homes across the country who still can’t have direct contact with their families due to Covid concerns. There are hundreds of thousands who cannot yet return to their work. No chance we are having fans attending football matches whilst that is going on, and as far as I know, there aren’t likely to be significant changes any time soon. Let’s face reality, football isn’t really high on the list of relative priorities

[Tambo]

Good chance we'll only miss 5 games this season. Probably won't be back for Hamilton on 2nd Oct, St Johnstone on 1st Oct will be moved to next year, back for Celtic on 21st of Nov.

When do you think walk up fans will get in?

[TelaStella]

Motor Lublin fans rented 21 cranes to watch their clubs speedway the other night. Aye, speedway.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200722/592e0e41cc5c4fa0f85b3bb2f36aa956.jpg
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[G B Young]

Hogmanay street party just been called off. Refunds issued for anyone who had already bought a ticket. Don't know what we might read into that re crowds at sports/music events etc.

[The dalmeny]

Your right :aok:, no anomaly, see it now 4 entries but 6 deaths. Doh!

👍

[Ronniekirk]

Hogmanay street party just been called off. Refunds issued for anyone who had already bought a ticket. Don't know what we might read into that re crowds at sports/music events etc.

The crowd at this would of been huge and social distancing out the window so can see why that would be cancelled


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[CMurdoch]

When do you think walk up fans will get in?

Once you produce an effective vaccine Professor Tambo.

[CMurdoch]

If you mean normal attendance at that game then there is zero chance of that happening.A few people sit near each other at break time in a call centre and before you can turn round there are 20 new cases and 5 different premises being investigated.That is the new reality.

Not normal attendance but possibly half the season ticket holders (5400 approx) attending each game with masks on and no away fans present. Like everyone else in the world i am guessing, but it is a match happening 4 months from now so it's possible. I understand why Speedway, yourself and a few others on here wouldn't want to chance attending a match until such time as a vaccine is available.

[inglisavhibs]

There's no chance fans will be allowed at a football match in Scotland in just over 6 weeks' time.
Maxwell would not have come out with that before some consultation with the government. Sport crowds are being trialed very soon in England and we will follow suit.

[Sir David Gray]

Maxwell would not have come out with that before some consultation with the government. Sport crowds are being trialed very soon in England and we will follow suit.

We'll see, I hope you're right but I don't see fans being allowed at the start of September.

[04Sauzee]

Then you see Leeds Utd doing this

https://twitter.com/GrahamSmyth/status/1286047615503732737?s=19

[Ronniekirk]

Then you see Leeds Utd doing this

https://twitter.com/GrahamSmyth/status/1286047615503732737?s=19

And ten thousand lining the streets for Jack Charlton funeral


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[Tambo]

Once you produce an effective vaccine Professor Tambo.

If I could produce one then fans would be back in next Saturday.

[Sir David Gray]

Then you see Leeds Utd doing this

https://twitter.com/GrahamSmyth/status/1286047615503732737?s=19

That's really poor from Leeds, I'm assuming there will be some kind of action taken here.

[Since90+2]

When Liverpool won the league a few weeks back you had literally thousands out on the streets celebrating with absolutely no social distancing. Has the city of Liverpool had any significant rise in cases since then?

[Scouse Hibee]

When Liverpool won the league a few weeks back you had literally thousands out on the streets celebrating with absolutely no social distancing. Has the city of Liverpool had any significant rise in cases since then?

I read yesterday that there had been no significant rise since those celebrations.

[Brizo]

Totally agree. There are thousands of residents in care homes across the country who still can’t have direct contact with their families due to Covid concerns. There are hundreds of thousands who cannot yet return to their work. No chance we are having fans attending football matches whilst that is going on, and as far as I know, there aren’t likely to be significant changes any time soon. Let’s face reality, football isn’t really high on the list of relative priorities

Agree with this.

We need to put football into perspective with everything else that's going on and the need to approach any easing of restrictions one step at a time.

After weeks of being bored with the EPL i'm just happy to have Hibs back to watch some proper football even if its on ST TV and even if it's for most ,or maybe even all , of the season.

[Peevemor]

When Liverpool won the league a few weeks back you had literally thousands out on the streets celebrating with absolutely no social distancing. Has the city of Liverpool had any significant rise in cases since then?


I read yesterday that there had been no significant rise since those celebrations.

That could easily have gone the other way though.

[Scorrie]

When Liverpool won the league a few weeks back you had literally thousands out on the streets celebrating with absolutely no social distancing. Has the city of Liverpool had any significant rise in cases since then?

Data issued by the Kings College showed infection rate has risen in Liverpool. There was also a spike here in south Liverpool a week ago which led to temporary testing stations being brought in and it largely affected 18-25 year olds apparently. There has been a lot of on street drinking in some areas which may have been part of the cause but difficult to say at the moment.

[Sir David Gray]

When Liverpool won the league a few weeks back you had literally thousands out on the streets celebrating with absolutely no social distancing. Has the city of Liverpool had any significant rise in cases since then?

It's a bit different, as far as I'm aware Liverpool didn't do anything to encourage their fans to come onto the streets in their droves (apart from winning the league for the first time in 30 years obviously) whereas Leeds have by organising their players to board an open-top bus.

I'd also point out that whether the Liverpool fans who came out to celebrate the other week caused a local spike or not is irrelevant anyway, even if they haven't, they didn't know that at the time.

[G B Young]

The crowd at this would of been huge and social distancing out the window so can see why that would be cancelled


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Last season's Scottish Cup final is now scheduled to take place about 10 days before the Hogmanay street party and under normal circumstances would attract 50,000 fans. Not as big a crowd as the street party granted, but big enough for social distancing to be impossible. I can only assume there will be a vastly reduced attendance permitted.

[Ronniekirk]

Last season's Scottish Cup final is now scheduled to take place about 10 days before the Hogmanay street party and under normal circumstances would attract 50,000 fans. Not as big a crowd as the street party granted, but big enough for social distancing to be impossible. I can only assume there will be a vastly reduced attendance permitted.

And no mention of it being played at Murray field which would at least mean fans not travelling on public transport


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[marinello59]

It will be interesting to see how today's test event at the Oval goes with a 1000 fans getting in to watch a County Cricket game. It looks like they are putting them all in one section with two empty seats between each fan. Possibly the first step towards us getting back in to watch fitba and Hibs, fingers crossed it goes well. (I know it's in England but I would imagine our Government will be watching this closely.)

[ronaldo7]

Last season's Scottish Cup final is now scheduled to take place about 10 days before the Hogmanay street party and under normal circumstances would attract 50,000 fans. Not as big a crowd as the street party granted, but big enough for social distancing to be impossible. I can only assume there will be a vastly reduced attendance permitted.

The Hogmanay bash is now cancelled. Let's hope we don't have to do the same with the SC.

[jgl07]

I read yesterday that there had been no significant rise since those celebrations.

Infection rates outside are quite low.

The spikes in infection in England are largely in areas with high density of population i with terraced housing.

[PaulSmith]

ST holders only with one metre distancing.


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[Alfred E Newman]

Infection rates outside are quite low.

The spikes in infection in England are largely in areas with high density of population i with terraced housing.

With 3 or more generations of family living in them.

[The dalmeny]

It will be interesting to see how today's test event at the Oval goes with a 1000 fans getting in to watch a County Cricket game. It looks like they are putting them all in one section with two empty seats between each fan. Possibly the first step towards us getting back in to watch fitba and Hibs, fingers crossed it goes well. (I know it's in England but I would imagine our Government will be watching this closely.)

heard on TMS only part of the ground was open, two empty seats between full ones, no ultras or pyro allowed

[Keith_M]

heard on TMS only part of the ground was open, two empty seats between full ones, no ultras or pyro allowed


Is that even a thing at Cricket?

[marinello59]

Is that even a thing at Cricket?

I think he’s taking the piss.:greengrin
Seems to have gone well. It’s all about testing the crowd control procedures, hopefully there are lessons to be learned for other sports.

[Keith_M]

I think he’s taking the piss.:greengrin
Seems to have gone well. It’s all about testing the crowd control procedures, hopefully there are lessons to be learned for other sports.


I did wonder


:greengrin

[G B Young]

The Hogmanay bash is now cancelled. Let's hope we don't have to do the same with the SC.

Yes, I mentioned that earlier in the thread. I was using it as an example of something which was going to attract a big crowd already having being cancelled despite not being due to take place for several months and suggesting that last season's rescheduled Scottish Cup final may well be played without fans (or with a vastly reduced attendance).

[G B Young]

Judging by the picture at the end of this story there appears to be a small sprinkling of fans watching the Celtic game yesterday. Or will these people just be club staff/hangers on?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53545022

[hibbysam]

Judging by the picture at the end of this story there appears to be a small sprinkling of fans watching the Celtic game yesterday. Or will these people just be club staff/hangers on?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53545022

That’s the Ross county subs.

[Sir David Gray]

Judging by the picture at the end of this story there appears to be a small sprinkling of fans watching the Celtic game yesterday. Or will these people just be club staff/hangers on?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53545022

No fans allowed at all in Scotland yet.

[04Sauzee]

Dave Cormack on twitter

Now over 8,000 STs. 👏👏👏First 2 games live on Sky... NO PPV. Limited Access = 9,000 STs at 1m distancing perhaps for most of 20/21. We'll now stop at 9,000 STs. All STs get a Virtual ST to a much improved RedTV w/ pre, post and HT shows. PPV details next 2 days. Stand Free!

[Keith_M]

Dave Cormack on twitter

Now over 8,000 STs. 👏👏👏First 2 games live on Sky... NO PPV. Limited Access = 9,000 STs at 1m distancing perhaps for most of 20/21. We'll now stop at 9,000 STs. All STs get a Virtual ST to a much improved RedTV w/ pre, post and HT shows. PPV details next 2 days. Stand Free!


Re the bit in bold: Are they planning on leaving one stand empty?

[Bishop Hibee]

https://twitter.com/bbcsport/status/1287840180431474690?s=21

Crowds likely to be reduced until Christmas and possibly beyond says Professor James Calder - who has chaired the cross-sport working group with government and health officials on the return to sport.

[Scorrie]

Northern Ireland letting 500 fans into the Cup Final this Friday apparently

[Sir David Gray]

https://twitter.com/bbcsport/status/1287840180431474690?s=21

Crowds likely to be reduced until Christmas and possibly beyond says Professor James Calder - who has chaired the cross-sport working group with government and health officials on the return to sport.

Possibly until a vaccine is developed is a sobering thought. I know the scientists are doing great work at an unprecedented speed in that area but there is currently no vaccine available for any other type of coronavirus so there are still no certainties that there ever will be one found that works.

[Clarence]

Possibly until a vaccine is developed is a sobering thought. I know the scientists are doing great work at an unprecedented speed in that area but there is currently no vaccine available for any other type of coronavirus so there are still no certainties that there ever will be one found that works.

Before/if we get to a vaccine, I think we’ll just to get to a point where infection is a calculated risk and there will be few intrusive restrictions other than wearing masks.

[Ronniekirk]

Northern Ireland letting 500 fans into the Cup Final this Friday apparently

You don’t need to wear masks there apart from on public transport at present


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[04Sauzee]

West Ham confirm they will ballot season ticket holders when reduced crowds will be allowed back into football grounds, also refunds for those who are unsuccessful

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12250274/west-ham-season-ticket-ballot-premier-league-coronavirus/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

[04Sauzee]

Comprehensive planning is underway at Sunderland AFC to ensure the club is fully prepared for the start of the 2020-21 season.

Whilst we hope to begin the campaign with supporters in attendance at the Stadium of Light, it is expected that social distancing measures and other safety protocols will be in place when fans return.

Of course, this will heavily impact upon the stadium’s overall capacity and could result in some supporters being unable to sit in their desired location.

The club is continuing to follow SGSA guidance and will work with the relevant governing bodies and supporters’ groups to ensure the matchday experience remains as authentic as possible, whilst also adhering to all of the safety measures set.

With season card sales already surpassing the 12,000-mark, which is in line with the reduced capacity estimated, we have today taken the decision to pause all new season card sales until further notice.

We appreciate that many fans will be disappointed by this news, but we will provide a further update regarding additional sales once further clarification around supporter attendance has been provided.

In the meantime, the club will continue to liaise with the SGSA and the relevant governing bodies, and we hope to boost that estimated figure by 2,000-3000 in the short term.

Finally, thank you for your continued patience and understanding throughout these unprecedented and unpredictable times.

We will endeavour to provide further detailed updates in the coming weeks, and we hope to see you all back at the Stadium of Light once it is safe to do so.

[eezyrider]

If I've read it correctly, stadiums will be able to reopen from the 14th of September- with limitations, social distancing etc.

EZ

[Sir David Gray]

If I've read it correctly, stadiums will be able to reopen from the 14th of September- with limitations, social distancing etc.

EZ

It's not confirmed yet, it's only an indicative date. We should hear more during the next two review dates.

[Keith_M]

Comprehensive planning is underway at Sunderland AFC to ensure the club is fully prepared for the start of the 2020-21 season.

...

With season card sales already surpassing the 12,000-mark, which is in line with the reduced capacity estimated, we have today taken the decision to pause all new season card sales until further notice.
....


Looks like they're expecting to be allowed crowds up to 25% of their stadium capacity.

[G B Young]

If I've read it correctly, stadiums will be able to reopen from the 14th of September- with limitations, social distancing etc.

EZ

It's only a proposed date at present, nothing concrete, but if they get the go-ahead for that date it will, as you say, be with partial, socially distanced attendances.

[supermcginn]

Surely can't be true, some highly qualified covid experts on here said there would be no fans in grounds till March 2021 at the earliest.

[04Sauzee]

Doing some channel hopping and there is a live a rugby game on North Queensland Cowboys Vs Canberra Raiders and there looks like a very sizeable crowd inside the ground

[Since90+2]

Surely can't be true, some highly qualified covid experts on here said there would be no fans in grounds till March 2021 at the earliest.

We even had people claiming that we wouldn't see any football played at all in 2020 and today we start the new league campaign bang on schedule.

[Eyrie]

Doing some channel hopping and there is a live a rugby game on North Queensland Cowboys Vs Canberra Raiders and there looks like a very sizeable crowd inside the ground

Different country though with a different situation.

[04Sauzee]

Good to see the Russians are the first country in the World to approve a coronavirus vaccine 👀👀👀

[CockneyRebel]

Surely can't be true, some highly qualified covid experts on here said there would be no fans in grounds till March 2021 at the earliest.



Nae need.

[Phil MaGlass]

Spain beginning to ban smoking, hopefully this hits everywhere in public and they keep the ban permanently.

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-08-12/andalucia-castilla-la-mancha-y-castilla-y-leon-estudian-si-prohiben-fumar-en-la-calle-como-galicia.html

[Billy Whizz]

Spain beginning to ban smoking, hopefully this hits everywhere in public and they keep the ban permanently.

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-08-12/andalucia-castilla-la-mancha-y-castilla-y-leon-estudian-si-prohiben-fumar-en-la-calle-como-galicia.html

Spanish are big smokers

[Phil MaGlass]

Aye, its more to do with the amount of covid released in smoke exhalation.

[where'stheslope]

Spanish are big smokers
Whit aboot the "Gorgie Turds"????

[StevesFamau5]

Not sure if anyone is aware of this but I have just switched on BT Sport and the AFL game between Freemantle and Carlton looks like a decent attendance.


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[Eyrie]

Not sure if anyone is aware of this but I have just switched on BT Sport and the AFL game between Freemantle and Carlton looks like a decent attendance.


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On the other hand, the rugby this morning between the Highlanders and Hurricanes had no fans in attendance as New Zealand isn't taking any risks.

[AL-Qaholik]

They’re allowing 300 people per session for the snooker final at the Crucible today.

[Billy Whizz]

They’re allowing 300 people per session for the snooker final at the Crucible today.

Yet you can’t get a few thousand into football?

[Sir David Gray]

Yet you can’t get a few thousand into football?

I'm sure when English football resumes next month there will be crowds.

[The dalmeny]

On the other hand, the rugby this morning between the Highlanders and Hurricanes had no fans in attendance as New Zealand isn't taking any risks.

And tomorrow’s Blues game cancelled completely

[Billy Whizz]

I'm sure when English football resumes next month there will be crowds.

Are we still on for a review from around 14th September

[Sir David Gray]

Are we still on for a review from around 14th September

The next review is due this Thursday, 20th August but I suspect nothing will be announced then about football fans.

The next one after that is 10th September and we should be told then whether it's going ahead or not. As things stand 14th September is a provisional date but nothing concrete's been decided yet.

There was also supposed to be test events mentioned but that seems to have gone quiet in the last couple of weeks.

[Ronniekirk]

The next review is due this Thursday, 20th August but I suspect nothing will be announced then about football fans.

The next one after that is 10th September and we should be told then whether it's going ahead or not. As things stand 14th September is a provisional date but nothing concrete's been decided yet.

There was also supposed to be test events mentioned but that seems to have gone quiet in the last couple of weeks.

Nicola isn’t happy with Elite privileged Footballers being poor role models
Aberdeen still in lockdown so I am not as optimistic as I was a few weeks ago
But a lot can happen in the next three weeks and we could be back on course by then


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[Sir David Gray]

Nicola isn’t happy with Elite privileged Footballers being poor role models
Aberdeen still in lockdown so I am not as optimistic as I was a few weeks ago
But a lot can happen in the next three weeks and we could be back on course by then


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I'm not hopeful at all that it will happen next month.

[hibsbollah]

Frances Ligue 1 curtain raiser on Friday looks set to be postponed. Outbreak in the city with mask only zones ordered and 4 cases in the Marseille team.

[04Sauzee]

Dundee utd fans seem to be quite excited about a survey they have put out to season ticket holders. Without knowing what's in the survey I'm not sure what the excitement is? See their tweet below.

We are looking to plan for the return of supporters into Tannadice - subject to Scottish government permission.

It would be a massive help if season ticket holders, who have not already done so, could complete the survey within the ar...
#UnitedTogether

https://t.co/ahbsTtlcj2

[Ronniekirk]

I'm not hopeful at all that it will happen next month.

After what she said today it’s clear we are going to be stuck in phase three for a further three weeks so fir me that puts back test venues till later in September Hope am wrong
But don’t see Hibs Hearts Derby in Glasgow being allowed to be a pilot
Factor in the animosity between Hearts and other Clubs and don’t think they will be included in any pilot s


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[Forza Fred]

Doing some channel hopping and there is a live a rugby game on North Queensland Cowboys Vs Canberra Raiders and there looks like a very sizeable crowd inside the ground

Queensland have a closed border and have been returning zero new cases.

Melbourne on the other hand...

[Logie Green]

Announcement today that crowds will be allowed into games in England for leagues below National North and South level.

[04Sauzee]

Announcement today that crowds will be allowed into games in England for leagues below National North and South level.

Is that the leagues Hearts are applying to gain entry to?

[Sir David Gray]

Announcement today that crowds will be allowed into games in England for leagues below National North and South level.

Socially distanced? Restriction on numbers?

You're probably only talking about 3-400 to begin with so I wonder if full crowds will be allowed.

[Logie Green]

Socially distanced? Restriction on numbers?

You're probably only talking about 3-400 to begin with so I wonder if full crowds will be allowed.

The report on the BBC website suggests it’ll be restricted crowds with a palaver to get in i.e. giving names, no more than 6 people in groups inside etc but at least it’s a start so hopefully it’ll go well.

[H18 SFR]

September 14th, absolutely delighted!

[Keith_M]

Could one of the Admins possibly merge this thread with the 'could football be coming back in September' one?

Both seem to have the same discussion and same posts, repeated on both.


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