As the Bundesliga prepares to resume games from mid-May

[Keith_M]

...three Cologne players have been tested positive for Covid-19 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/01/three-cologne-players-test-positive-for-covid-19-as-training-continues) and have gone into quarantine.


I wonder how many more of them will test positive now that training has resumed, and then once they start playing actual games together.

[Billy Whizz]

...three Cologne players have been tested positive for Covid-19 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/01/three-cologne-players-test-positive-for-covid-19-as-training-continues) and have gone into quarantine.


I wonder how many more of them will test positive now that training has resumed, and then once they start playing actual games together.

It’s just nonsense these leagues looking to restart. You can’t even visit your mum, and these countries are wanting to play games, at this moment

[Since452]

Irresponsible madness

[tamig]

It’s stuff like this that will cripple us. Rushing back to some kind of normality far too soon and the cycle begins once more.

[calumhibee1]

Ridiculous. For a country that were dealing with this fairly well it’s an absolute shambles that they’re starting up again.

[Peevemor]

How often are players & staff tested?

42 teams in the SPFL x 20-25 people. That's about 1000 tests at a time, how many times per week?

[Phil MaGlass]

maybe players now have grounds to sue the clubs, forcing them back?

[Mr Grieves]

How often are players & staff tested?

42 teams in the SPFL x 20-25 people. That's about 1000 tests at a time, how many times per week?

I'm not sure about Germany but in England they're talking about 3 tests per week. Total cost of £30000 per week for each team!

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-news-coronavirus-testing-2019-20-season-restart-table-a9493041.html%3famp

[Keith_M]

maybe players now have grounds to sue the clubs, forcing them back?


I'd say so, yes.

They're already in (fairly) close contact training, so the virus may have spread there.

[Lago]

...three Cologne players have been tested positive for Covid-19 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/01/three-cologne-players-test-positive-for-covid-19-as-training-continues) and have gone into quarantine.


I wonder how many more of them will test positive now that training has resumed, and then once they start playing actual games together.
As Germany tightens controls re social distancing following "spike" in Coronavirus reports I think football in Germany middle of May is a pipe dream.

[CB_NO3]

Its a shame on the players forcing them to do this. A lot of them have babies and older parents and so on. Just cause they earn 100k a week doesn't make them invincible. They are still humans with families to consider. Aguero was spot on in his interview.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s just nonsense these leagues looking to restart. You can’t even visit your mum, and these countries are wanting to play games, at this moment

Its not nonsense at all, its forward planning and they are correct to do it. Sitting around on their hands waiting months without doing anything would be worse. Correct to try to set dates them move them accordingly.

[Keith_M]

Its not nonsense at all, its forward planning and they are correct to do it. Sitting around on their hands waiting months without doing anything would be worse. Correct to try to set dates them move them accordingly.


Nothing wrong with forward planning, but ignoring the fact that the virus is still spreading at quite a high rate (as evidenced by the three affected players) is not particularly wise.

By all mean seat a date, but set if for August or something and then see what happens in the next couple of months.

[Billy Whizz]

Its not nonsense at all, its forward planning and they are correct to do it. Sitting around on their hands waiting months without doing anything would be worse. Correct to try to set dates them move them accordingly.

Thanks
We are nowhere near playing football in Europe

[Peevemor]

Nothing wrong with forward planning, but ignoring the fact that the virus is still spreading at quite a high rate (as evidenced by the three affected players) is not particularly wise.

By all mean seat a date, but set if for August or something and then see what happens in the next couple of months.Exactly. Risking people's health (life even) just to finish a football season is ridiculous.

[A Hi-Bee]

How often are players & staff tested?

42 teams in the SPFL x 20-25 people. That's about 1000 tests at a time, how many times per week?

Why should players be tested before others?

[MWHIBBIES]

Thanks
We are nowhere near playing football in EuropeHow do you know that? They surely know better than you.


Nothing wrong with forward planning, but ignoring the fact that the virus is still spreading at quite a high rate (as evidenced by the three affected players) is not particularly wise.

By all mean seat a date, but set if for August or something and then see what happens in the next couple of months.How are they ignoring it?

[RoYO!]

As Germany tightens controls re social distancing following "spike" in Coronavirus reports I think football in Germany middle of May is a pipe dream.

A pipe dream much like Queen Anne's "Budgiesliga" xD

I'll get my coat... realise we're in lockdown and take it off again!

[Keith_M]

How do you know that? They surely know better than you.

How are they ignoring it?


By planning to start playing games in two weeks time, and starting full training sessions right now.


How is that wise?

[Craig_in_Prague]

Czech league planned to resume last week I think in May.
I also wish the leagues would just be called and everyone plans as best as possible for a return later in the year, for new season.

[MWHIBBIES]

By planning to start playing games in two weeks time, and starting full training sessions right now.


How is that wise?

Do you think they haven't consulted specialists and government and officials from teams? Do you think this is just some German football officials demanding football restarts, potentially killing people? I doubt that.

[04Sauzee]

3 players at Cologne test positive

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52510597

[hibee316]

Do you think they haven't consulted specialists and government and officials from teams? Do you think this is just some German football officials demanding football restarts, potentially killing people? I doubt that.

With this being an unprecedented situation there is no advice being given that will be 100% accurate. How can it?

German football is looking to start football soon, and have cases of COVID already.

Of course they have got professional advice, doesn't mean the advice is wise though!

[MWHIBBIES]

With this being an unprecedented situation there is no advice being given that will be 100% accurate. How can it?

German football is looking to start football soon, and have cases of COVID already.

Of course they have got professional advice, doesn't mean the advice is wise though!

Where does that logic end? Should I be at work on Monday because the government's advice might not be accurate?

Stop the hysterics. If it's unsafe the football will not go ahead.

[Jones28]

Its not nonsense at all, its forward planning and they are correct to do it. Sitting around on their hands waiting months without doing anything would be worse. Correct to try to set dates them move them accordingly.

If the dates they set were at all realistic then maybe...

[hibee316]

Where does that logic end? Should I be at work on Monday because the government's advice might not be accurate?

Stop the hysterics. If it's unsafe the football will not go ahead.

Hysterics are very much dependant on the observer. One person you might consider hysterical, might be considered a voice of reason by someone else.

Reports are out saying that German clubs will go bust if they don't play by June. So, there may be voices pushing ahead the restart.

There has also been numerous reports world wide of Governments realising the advice they gave was not the best after the fact during this crisis.

[Pretty Boy]

It's about time everyone just followed Frances lead and called their seasons.

UEFA are playing hardball because they are worried about the Champions League and the associated finance. If all the big guns do the same as France have done then UEFA will soon fall into line. There is no way they are going to risk their cash cow by barring the like of Bayern, Barcelona and Real Madrid from taking part.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hysterics are very much dependant on the observer. One person you might consider hysterical, might be considered a voice of reason by someone else.

Reports are out saying that German clubs will go bust if they don't play by June. So, there may be voices pushing ahead the restart.

There has also been numerous reports world wide of Governments realising the advice they gave was not the best after the fact during this crisis.

I really doubt the German fa are going to put players at risk. If it's unsafe it won't go ahead.

[B.H.F.C]

Thanks
We are nowhere near playing football in Europe

Apart from in Belarus. They’ve never stopped!

[hibee316]

I really doubt the German fa are going to put players at risk. If it's unsafe it won't go ahead.

I very much doubt it too tbh.

The Germans are usually spot on with this thing..

It Just, in my opinion, this decision seems very, well, un-German. Feels rushed, which to me is highlighted by the Cologne staff testing positive.

But the proof is in the pudding, so we will find out.

[MWHIBBIES]

I very much doubt it too tbh.

The Germans are usually spot on with this thing..

It Just, in my opinion, this decision seems very, well, un-German. Feels rushed, which to me is highlighted by the Cologne staff testing positive.

But the proof is in the pudding, so we will find out.
But nothing has actually happened yet. Like all these workplaces that put employees on the minimum 3 weeks furlough. They set a date and changed it accordingly. It's not different at all and someone no one is going hysterical about that.

[CapitalGreen]

I really doubt the German fa are going to put players at risk. If it's unsafe it won't go ahead.

You could argue they already have if the 3 players who got ill was due to players returning to training in preparation of the season restarting.

[MWHIBBIES]

You could argue they already have if the 3 players who got ill was due to players returning to training in preparation of the season restarting.

But was it? Don't you think we would've heard if it was?

[CapitalGreen]

But was it? Don't you think we would've heard if it was?

I’m not sure what the “it” is you are referring to above.

If “it” is whether the players caught the virus at training or not is irrelevant, they were put into a situation where they were in contact with lots of people any virus they already had could have transferred more easily. I’ve read an interview with Cologne midfielder Birger Verstraete, I’d recommend it. He was in contact with the physio who tested positive and is awaiting test results - he has first hand experience of what is going on and an at-risk partner at home. He doesn’t feel safe going home to her after training and doesn’t think football should be restarting.

[green&left]

I very much doubt it too tbh.

The Germans are usually spot on with this thing..

It Just, in my opinion, this decision seems very, well, un-German. Feels rushed, which to me is highlighted by the Cologne staff testing positive.

But the proof is in the pudding, so we will find out.

From the articles I've read they haven't actually set out a fixed date yet, "hope to continue from middle to end of May". From polling aswell majority of fans are against it too.

I'd be very very surprised if 2 weeks today we'll be watching the Bundesliga on BT Sport

[Dmas]

But was it? Don't you think we would've heard if it was?

All 3 showed no symptoms, it could be argued without going back to training these 3 would have been spreading it without knowing it

[Peevemor]

All 3 showed no symptoms, it could be argued without going back to training these 3 would have been spreading it without knowing itIt's also possible that had they not returned to training only one of them would be infected.

[EI255]

...three Cologne players have been tested positive for Covid-19 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/01/three-cologne-players-test-positive-for-covid-19-as-training-continues) and have gone into quarantine.


I wonder how many more of them will test positive now that training has resumed, and then once they start playing actual games together.Just wait until that happens here. All your team mates will need tested and put in isolation.... along with the team you just played against. Potential for footballing apocalypse.

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[Brightside]

I think we are going to see a relaxation in the next few weeks. Golf Course will re-open - 2 ball only - local players only. Also external eating / drinking limited to xx number of seats etc.

[St Pauli Hibee]

The decision on whether or not the league goes ahead will be on Wednesday following a discussion with Angela Merkel.

All state governors have given the green light for the go ahead following strict testing of all players in Bundesliga 1 & 2 combined with strict rules in place with amount of people allowed in stadium on a match day.

The ever present issue however is if the league gets going again how do they stop fans congregating outside stadiums especially when titles & relegation is on the line.

[Dmas]

It's also possible that had they not returned to training only one of them would be infected.

A fair point 😂

[Haymaker]

I think we are going to see a relaxation in the next few weeks. Golf Course will re-open - 2 ball only - local players only. Also external eating / drinking limited to xx number of seats etc.

Opened up all the courses here yesterday. 2 players each, longer gaps between tee times and no caddy or carts.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Bundesliga set to resume on May 15th? Merkel to announce restart date tomorrow according to Sky:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11881/11983415/bundesliga-return-angela-merkel-to-announce-restart-date-on-wednesday

[supermcginn]

Bundesliga set to resume on May 15th? Merkel to announce restart date tomorrow according to Sky:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11881/11983415/bundesliga-return-angela-merkel-to-announce-restart-date-on-wednesday
Excellent 👍

[PaulSmith]

Bundesliga set to resume on May 15th? Merkel to announce restart date tomorrow according to Sky:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11881/11983415/bundesliga-return-angela-merkel-to-announce-restart-date-on-wednesday

Brilliant and very positive news.


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[Peevemor]

Brilliant and very positive news.


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Personally I find it ridiculous.

[MWHIBBIES]

Personally I find it ridiculous.

Thats because you think you know better than German scientists and government officials.

[Peevemor]

Thats because you think you know better than German scientists and government officials.Away and do one.

I simply think it's an unnecessary risk.

[supermcginn]

Personally I find it ridiculous.

I'm sure you know better than the German government.

[Peevemor]

I'm sure you know better than the German government.I've attached the latest covid19 map of France, released within the last hour. The chances are that the areas in red (the most affected) will remain in lockdown when the rest of the country starts coming out on Monday.

The North-East of France is the area the most affected, ie. on the German border.

I find it hard to understand how the Germans think it'll be safe to resume matches in a couple of weeks time while their neighbours have suspended all team sports until after the summer.

It's nothing to do with knowing more than the German government or their specialists, it's just that I'm astonished by the unnecessary risk they're taking. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200505/5dabc120b36570c8c9bb6e1673963785.jpg

[supermcginn]

I've attached the latest covid19 map of France, released within the last hour. The chances are that the areas in red (the most affected) will remain in lockdown when the rest of the country starts coming out on Monday.

The North-East of France is the area the most affected, ie. on the German border.

I find it hard to understand how the Germans think it'll be safe to resume matches in a couple of weeks time while their neighbours have suspended all team sports until after the summer.

It's nothing to do with knowing more than the German government or their specialists, it's just that I'm astonished by the unnecessary risk they're taking. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200505/5dabc120b36570c8c9bb6e1673963785.jpg
Judging by how they've dealt with the virus as a whole I'm sure they know what they're doing. Also it will save many jobs at clubs that are on the brink without football resuming soon.

[CapitalGreen]

Thats because you think you know better than German scientists and government officials.

Some of the players involved think it’s ridiculous too and are scared of what the consequences of playing might have on at risk family members. However I suppose their just the folk playing the game and their opinion probably isn’t as worthy as those scientists and government officials.

[Hibeesmad]

Some of the players involved think it’s ridiculous too and are scared of what the consequences of playing might have on at risk family members. However I suppose their just the folk playing the game and their opinion probably isn’t as worthy as those scientists and government officials.

Football has to come back at some point. It could be next week or in 3 months time, I think it is natural for people to still worry about the virus regardless of when things start to go back to normal. I would like to believe that the government and medical people involved in this decision are confident that it will be safe to do so.

[MWHIBBIES]

Some of the players involved think it’s ridiculous too and are scared of what the consequences of playing might have on at risk family members. However I suppose their just the folk playing the game and their opinion probably isn’t as worthy as those scientists and government officials.

Being scared of something can be irrational, though. Just because they are scared doesn't mean there is something to be scared of. I mean, if that many of the players don't want to do it and voice those concerns, it won't happen.

[CapitalGreen]

Football has to come back at some point. It could be next week or in 3 months time, I think it is natural for people to still worry about the virus regardless of when things start to go back to normal. I would like to believe that the government and medical people involved in this decision are confident that it will be safe to do so.

Agreed but there are players still literally getting infected in Germany. 10 people tested positive in German football in the last couple of days.

[supermcginn]

Agreed but there are players still literally getting infected in Germany. 10 people tested positive in German football in the last couple of days.

10 positive out of 1274 tests, the number infected is much lower than was expected seemingly.

[Hibee Mac]

The Germans have done a much better job than the UK with this virus on all measurable fronts.

If they deem it okay then fair enough but that does not mean in any way whatsoever that the UK will be starting football back any time soon, we're a mess compared to them right now.

[Peevemor]

10 positive out of 1274 tests, the number infected is much lower than was expected seemingly.What happens when they start travelling to play each other, and when they're playing competitive matches instead of just training?

[Iain G]

Personally I find it ridiculous.

I fear this will not end well if it goes ahead.

It is not just about the games and the teams it's going to be fans congregating to watch the matches, breaking social distancing measures and acting as vectors for the spread of the virus.

For a country that has done fairly well in its management of the virus this seems a strange and crazy risk to introduce so quickly post lockdown.

[supermcginn]

What happens when they start travelling to play each other, and when they're playing competitive matches instead of just training?

They are getting tested before games so can't see any problem. The Germans know what they are doing so good luck to them.

[Centre Hawf]

Like with all these attempts to finish seasons and hopes to continue playing I'll believe it when I see it. We're about to finish the first week of May and it's all still hopes and dreams.

[Peevemor]

They are getting tested before games so can't see any problem. The Germans know what they are doing so good luck to them.OK, but that's en enormous amount of resources being used for something non essential. Resources still needed elsewhere.

[supermcginn]

Merkel has officially given the go ahead, german fa meeting tomorrow to decide whether to start 15th may or 22nd.

[Bristolhibby]

I'm not sure about Germany but in England they're talking about 3 tests per week. Total cost of £30000 per week for each team!

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-news-coronavirus-testing-2019-20-season-restart-table-a9493041.html%3famp

They can afford it. I’m worried about them “buying up” tests that should be being used for people who are symptomatic as a priority.

J

[Since90+2]

Great to have the football back. Can't wait to watch abit if the Bundesliga.

[Dmas]

Merkel has officially given the go ahead, german fa meeting tomorrow to decide whether to start 15th may or 22nd.

Angel Merkel is after a 2 week quarantine for all teams first so earliest is 22nd May, think it’s looking likely of 29th start....can’t wait anyway! Get the dust knocked off the Steiner hopefully BT can get a match choice thing going get them all available

[supermcginn]

Angel Merkel is after a 2 week quarantine for all teams first so earliest is 22nd May, think it’s looking likely of 29th start....can’t wait anyway! Get the dust knocked off the Steiner hopefully BT can get a match choice thing going get them all available
Its been announced officially by merkel an hour ago that its up to the bundesliga to decide, the 2 start dates they have to choose are 15 or 22. Bild are reporting 15th more likely. BT looking into streaming matches free on youtube also.

Update! Merkel's initial proposal (leaked to media) demanded "a two-week quarantine" for Bundesliga clubs. A second version has now crucially removed the "two-week" bit. One week, as per the league's medical paper, might be seen as sufficient - which would bring us back to May 15

from raphael honeigstein on twitter.

[Dmas]

Its been announced officially by merkel an hour ago that its up to the bundesliga to decide, the 2 start dates they have to choose are 15 or 22. Bild are reporting 15th more likely. BT looking into streaming matches free on youtube also.

Update! Merkel's initial proposal (leaked to media) demanded "a two-week quarantine" for Bundesliga clubs. A second version has now crucially removed the "two-week" bit. One week, as per the league's medical paper, might be seen as sufficient - which would bring us back to May 15

from raphael honeigstein on twitter.

Oh well then even better!

[Hibeesmad]

Confirmed. 15th May.

[Keith_M]

Confirmed. 15th May.


Actually the 16th. They've decided against having the usual Friday game.

[Sir David Gray]

Jeonbuk Motors v Suwon Bluewings live on BBC Sport online at 11am from the South Korean league if anyone fancies some football fix.

No fans or handshakes, restrictions on communication between players and officials and coaches have to wear masks.

Sign of things to come for the rest of the world.

Mon the Jeonbuk Motors.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/52581366

[Cat Stanton]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/52581366

S. Korean football behind closed doors - cannae wait..

Still, loose (very loose) Hibs connection: Henri Anier (remember him?) was playing for Suwon Bluewings last season.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/52581366

Thanks for sharing, watched for 30 seconds, soulless, this isn’t what football is about

[Sir David Gray]

Thanks for sharing, watched for 30 seconds, soulless, this isn’t what football is about

Agreed, we better get used to it though.

[Keith_M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/52581366


OMG, they're playing crowd noises over the loudspeakers!


Can anybody else remember when they did that at Tynecastle? I think it was about 15-20 years ago but not sure.

[Gatecrasher]

OMG, they're playing crowd noises over the loudspeakers!


Can anybody else remember when they did that at Tynecastle? I think it was about 15-20 years ago but not sure.

we did it agaimst Hamilton in the relegation play offs. Summed up the day tbh.

[Keith_M]

we did it agaimst Hamilton in the relegation play offs. Summed up the day tbh.


I'm glad I didn't go to that game, then.



(I was in Germany and didn't come over for the match. I'm obviously not an Uber Fan ;) )

[Keith_M]

Watching the game has strangely made me think of this episode from The Simpsons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJu2qSJ9zno)

[Gatecrasher]

I'm glad I didn't go to that game, then.



(I was in Germany and didn't come over for the match. I'm obviously not an Uber Fan ;) )

when Hamilton scored in the last minute the silence from the home support was earie because we all knew what was going to happen and between the FT whistle and the start of ET they pumped crowd noises through the tannoy system :embarrass

[Cat Stanton]

we did it agaimst Hamilton in the relegation play offs. Summed up the day tbh.

Did we? I don't remember that. Although having my head in my hands may have muffled the sounds, I suppose.

[Box 17]

Thanks for sharing, watched for 30 seconds, soulless, this isn’t what football is about

That 한국언니 is a no bad player.

[Keith_M]

That 한국언니 is a no bad player.


Nah, I think he's a bit of an 항문

(Sorry Admins)

[SideBurns]

when Hamilton scored in the last minute the silence from the home support was earie because we all knew what was going to happen and between the FT whistle and the start of ET they pumped crowd noises through the tannoy system :embarrass

I remember that - just added to the general embarrassment of the day! Not sure what it was meant to achieve; it's not like the players would have been fooled into thinking the crowd were getting behind them.

[Sir David Gray]

Suwon Bluewings down to 10 men, straight red with 15 minutes left.

Still 0-0.

[Keith_M]

Suwon Bluewings down to 10 men, straight red with 15 minutes left.

Still 0-0.


I got bored ages ago.

Has there been any other action?

[Sir David Gray]

I got bored ages ago.

Has there been any other action?

1-0 Jeonbuk Motors!!!

[Peevemor]

Nah, I think he's a bit of an 항문

(Sorry Admins)[emoji23]

[Keith_M]

1-0 Jeonbuk Motors!!!


Woohoo!

[JimBHibees]

Did we? I don't remember that. Although having my head in my hands may have muffled the sounds, I suppose.

Don't remember that either but sit in ff upper so probably never heard it through tannoy. :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

Woohoo!

Full time 1-0 Jeonbuk Motors.

[MWHIBBIES]

Watching Andy Serkis reading the hobbit to raise money for charities fighting Covid is much more entertaining.

Thorin's company currently 1-0 up but under the cosh from the goblins.

[we are hibs]

Probably funnier in your head tbh.

[MWHIBBIES]

Probably funnier in your head tbh.

:faf:

Very edgey.

[lord bunberry]

I’m delighted that there’s going to be some football back on the tele. I believe the German teams are putting cardboard cutouts of fans in the seats and playing crowd noise through the speakers, not sure how that will work out but it will be better than hearing the players shouting at each other.

[A Hi-Bee]

I’m delighted that there’s going to be some football back on the tele. I believe the German teams are putting cardboard cutouts of fans in the seats and playing crowd noise through the speakers, not sure how that will work out but it will be better than hearing the players shouting at each other.

Just hope they are no gonna be running tapes of the Nurunberg/Munich rallies from days gone bye.

[Sir David Gray]

I’m delighted that there’s going to be some football back on the tele. I believe the German teams are putting cardboard cutouts of fans in the seats and playing crowd noise through the speakers, not sure how that will work out but it will be better than hearing the players shouting at each other.

They did the fan noise over the tannoy thing in the Jeonbuk Motors v Suwon Bluewings match today. I'd say it probably helped from a TV point of view. I don't know what it was like for the players though.

[danhibees1875]

They did the fan noise over the tannoy thing in the Jeonbuk Motors v Suwon Bluewings match today. I'd say it probably helped from a TV point of view. I don't know what it was like for the players though.

:agree:

I only caught the last 5 mins or so, but you watch the players and hear the usual noises - it didn't feel too artificial.

The only points it did seem strange was when there was a rough tackle or something that would have raised a noise but nothing happened crowd wise.

[Keith_M]

I’m delighted that there’s going to be some football back on the tele. I believe the German teams are putting cardboard cutouts of fans in the seats and playing crowd noise through the speakers, not sure how that will work out but it will be better than hearing the players shouting at each other.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR2_KeNTtAbVCKc7DXWqG0ov5dQoNA 6JS84Kv6OKpgfQDT7rNII&usqp=CAU

:greengrin

[Phil MaGlass]

If games do have to be played behind closed doors, maybe the club could offer to make cardboard cutouts of you and put them on your seat for a fiver or so? Mind you, you have already forked out for a ST?

[ancient hibee]

Dresden already into 14 day isolation.

[Keith_M]

(Dynamo) Dresden already into 14 day isolation.


It's going well, then.

[CMurdoch]

Dresden already into 14 day isolation.

:faf: this is going to be difficult. On the upside it will show us the pitfalls.

[Keith_M]

Do you think they haven't consulted specialists and government and officials from teams? Do you think this is just some German football officials demanding football restarts, potentially killing people? I doubt that.



:hmmm:

[MWHIBBIES]

Are these infections from training together? or have they actually only been discovered because all the players are being tested?

[Keith_M]

If anybody wants to read the article in English...

Dynamo Dresden's Entire Squad In Isolation Just A Week Before Restart (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52601471)

Which was kind of the point of this thread; i.e. how stupid it was to expect to re-start the league in mid-May at this stage in the pandemic....Germany or otherwise.


(https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52601471)

[PatHead]

Know it isn't Bundesliga but Brighton have another player diagnosed with Coronavirus.
Maybe not so straightforward this return to football.

[A Hi-Bee]

Know it isn't Bundesliga but Brighton have another player diagnosed with Coronavirus.
Maybe not so straightforward this return to football.

The penny is dropping at last, this thing aint going away anytime soon, life more important than sport or any contract amount.

[Real Emerald]

The penny is dropping at last, this thing aint going away anytime soon, life more important than sport or any contract amount.

Probably people not staying Alert causing the infections. If they had only looked behind them they might have seen it creeping up on them. Football going back and BoJo’s new logo puts many thousands of life’s at risk.

[Keith_M]

Probably people not staying Alert causing the infections. If they had only looked behind them they might have seen it creeping up on them. Football going back and BoJo’s new logo puts many thousands of life’s at risk.


Yep, who knew it was that simple?

[Since452]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1259520661363580931?s=19

Think the Germans have been a bit hasty

[Peevemor]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1259520661363580931?s=19

Think the Germans have been a bit hastyAs I said before, restarting competitive football so soon was and is a ridiculous idea.

[theonlywayisup]

If anybody wants to read the article in English...

Dynamo Dresden's Entire Squad In Isolation Just A Week Before Restart (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52601471)

Which was kind of the point of this thread; i.e. how stupid it was to expect to re-start the league in mid-May at this stage in the pandemic....Germany or otherwise.


(https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52601471)

Think they've been in consultation with Queen B. Dynamo Dresden are currently bottom of Bundesliga 2, albeit only on goal difference. They are obviously hoping that Covid-19 will result in the German leagues being stopped and relegation from the league being postponed. That's what the Hertz were originally saying, weren't they - "Covid-19 will save us".

[Keith_M]

Think they've been in consultation with Queen B. Dynamo Dresden are currently bottom of Bundesliga 2, albeit only on goal difference. They are obviously hoping that Covid-19 will result in the German leagues being stopped and relegation from the league being postponed. That's what the Hertz were originally saying, weren't they - "Covid-19 will save us".


Hearts have had a 'special relationship' with Dresden, ever since Hearts bombed them just before they won the last war all on their own.

If you need proof, Dynamo Dresden have a permanent tribute to Hearts with their Maroon badge and away strip (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61C0jRy-8rL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)

[Iain G]

As I said before, restarting competitive football so soon was and is a ridiculous idea.

A nice polite way of saying "told you so" 😉

[MWHIBBIES]

As I said before, restarting competitive football so soon was and is a ridiculous idea.

It is more ridiculous than a building site reopening because that's happening everywhere. Some stayed open the whole time. Are we to just stay inside for 12 months till a cure is found? Risks will be taken. This is a calculated one by the Germans, too early to say it it's failed or succeeded.

[Peevemor]

A nice polite way of saying "told you so" [emoji6]Well some were quick enough to be arsey with me when I gave my opinion.

[Peevemor]

It is more ridiculous than a building site reopening because that's happening everywhere. Some stayed open the whole time. Are we to just stay inside for 12 months till a cure is found? Risks will be taken. This is a calculated one by the Germans, too early to say it it's failed or succeeded.Pish! Construction wasn't a contact sport last time I looked.

[MWHIBBIES]

Pish! Construction wasn't a contact sport last time I looked.

You're joking right? I've been on sites with hundreds of guys, sharing canteens, toilets, power tools, hand tools, using finger print scanners to get in and out. As likely to catch it on a site as playing football. Difference is, construction workers don't get tested every day and benefit from loads of other precautions like the footballers will. Football is much safer than most jobs because of the care the club's and leagues can afford.

[Peevemor]

You're joking right? I've been on sites with hundreds of guys, sharing canteens, toilets, power tools, hand tools, using finger print scanners to get in and out. As likely to catch it on a site as playing football. Difference is, construction workers don't get tested every day and benefit from loads of other precautions like the footballers will. Football is much safer than most jobs because of the care the club's and leagues can afford.I have a couple of sites that have stayed open during the lockdown and they've managed fine to respect the measures that have been put in place.

There's no comparison between restarting the construction industry and playing a few unnecessary games of football.

[660]

It is more ridiculous than a building site reopening because that's happening everywhere. Some stayed open the whole time. Are we to just stay inside for 12 months till a cure is found? Risks will be taken. This is a calculated one by the Germans, too early to say it it's failed or succeeded.

You really are a slaver. Of course it’s failed once an entire team catches the virus. Imagine in any other circumstance if any action by a govt or football association led to 14 people getting seriously ill.

What’s the calculated move they’ve made? Are they calculating the worth of at least 14 people’s health versus the worth of a few football games? If they’re all 4-3 classic games do they say welp 3 died and 4 infected their grannies but i fair enjoyed those games. Get a grip. Call the league like every other sane nation will do sooner or later.

[jacomo]

You really are a slaver. Of course it’s failed once an entire team catches the virus. Imagine in any other circumstance if any action by a govt or football association led to 14 people getting seriously ill.

What’s the calculated move they’ve made? Are they calculating the worth of at least 14 people’s health versus the worth of a few football games? If they’re all 4-3 classic games do they say welp 3 died and 4 infected their grannies but i fair enjoyed those games. Get a grip. Call the league like every other sane nation will do sooner or later.


Health aspects aside, I’m struggling to see the point of completing a league campaign if one or more squads is self-isolating.

They can hardly draft in replacement players at short notice.

[wpj]

Bundesliga, I loved my time in Düsseldorf and this clip is brilliant, Duss fans waiting for the train to Kõln, massive rivals https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2o5jww

[660]

Health aspects aside, I’m struggling to see the point of completing a league campaign if one or more squads is self-isolating.

They can hardly draft in replacement players at short notice.

Yeah this is another good reason why even attempting to start games this season is ludicrous.

[Iain G]

You're joking right? I've been on sites with hundreds of guys, sharing canteens, toilets, power tools, hand tools, using finger print scanners to get in and out. As likely to catch it on a site as playing football. Difference is, construction workers don't get tested every day and benefit from loads of other precautions like the footballers will. Football is much safer than most jobs because of the care the club's and leagues can afford.

Difference is you can do things to social isolate on a construction site but not in a sport where players cube within 2m of each other as a fundamental part of their roles. This is not a calculated risk it is an unnecessary risk and gamble at this stage.

Call it as no football to be played and use the time to try prepare for the next season.

[FilipinoHibs]

Does not look so straightforward:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18441646.james-morgan-bundesligas-back-isnt-great-news-spfl/?ref=appshr

[Keith_M]

It is more ridiculous than a building site reopening because that's happening everywhere. Some stayed open the whole time. Are we to just stay inside for 12 months till a cure is found? Risks will be taken. This is a calculated one by the Germans, too early to say it it's failed or succeeded.


Mate, you were wrong, get over it.

[JammyDoidger]

There is players testing positive yes. But most of them are not showing any symptoms. I bet if my work were being tested every day we would have had a fair few testing positive also, that are unaware they even have it, It's a crazy disease this, it can have Absoloutely devastating effects on some, yet little to no effect on others.

[supermcginn]

Mate, you were wrong, get over it.

He's not though is he 😂 not one player who tested positive actually is even showing any symptoms or unwell and there is a full top league card going ahead at the weekend. All those German science and medical experts will be gutted Keith m from hibs.net knows better. If the bundesliga doesn't return, schalke, one of the most supported sides on the planet and Bremen have said they will go bust among others.

[MWHIBBIES]

You really are a slaver. Of course it’s failed once an entire team catches the virus. Imagine in any other circumstance if any action by a govt or football association led to 14 people getting seriously ill.

What’s the calculated move they’ve made? Are they calculating the worth of at least 14 people’s health versus the worth of a few football games? If they’re all 4-3 classic games do they say welp 3 died and 4 infected their grannies but i fair enjoyed those games. Get a grip. Call the league like every other sane nation will do sooner or later.

Of course it's calculated, you think they just drew a plan from a hat?

Still nothing to say these players weren't infected before resuming training and the testing that has come with resuming had actually saved their life's and their families life's.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's not though is he 😂 not one player who tested positive actually is even showing any symptoms or unwell and there is a full top league card going ahead at the weekend. All those German science and medical experts will be gutted Keith m from hibs.net knows better. If the bundesliga doesn't return, schalke, one of the most supported sides on the planet and Bremen have said they will go bust among others.long line of German scientists in the giro queue because .net knows better :faf:

[CapitalGreen]

He's not though is he 😂 not one player who tested positive actually is even showing any symptoms or unwell and there is a full top league card going ahead at the weekend. All those German science and medical experts will be gutted Keith m from hibs.net knows better. If the bundesliga doesn't return, schalke, one of the most supported sides on the planet and Bremen have said they will go bust among others.

From the very start of this disease, for most young healthy people the thought of getting ill themselves hasn’t been their biggest concern, the concern has been having the disease and unwittingly passing it onto loved ones some of whom would be considered at risk. Why should footballers be put into a situation where they spend 90 minutes in close contact with at least 22 others while the rest of the country/world are being told to stay 2m apart?

[CapitalGreen]

long line of German scientists in the giro queue because .net knows better :faf:

Yes because if there is anything this crisis has proved beyond all reasonable doubt it is that all scientists get all decisions correct all the time. The idea that any scientist may make a wrong call during this crisis is comical.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes because if there is anything this crisis has proved beyond all reasonable doubt it is that all scientists get all decisions correct all the time. The idea that any scientist may make a wrong call during this crisis is comical.

Of course it isn't, but they base their decisions on facts, not panic and hysteria and clickbait articles like people on here are.

This decision may be incorrect but there is going to be plenty of inncorrect ones and chances taken in the process of getting over this. They are putting very strong precautions in place and have already discovered multiple infected players who could have gone unknown.

[Peevemor]

Are some people being deliberately thick?

[CapitalGreen]

Of course it isn't, but they base their decisions on facts, not panic and hysteria and clickbait articles like people on here are.

This decision may be incorrect but there is going to be plenty of inncorrect ones and chances taken in the process of getting over this. They are putting very strong precautions in place and have already discovered multiple infected players who could have gone unknown.

I’m basing my opinions on interviews with professional footballers in Germany (and elsewhere) who have said they are scared of returning so soon and the potential impact it could have on their loved ones with underlying health conditions. Perhaps their lack of science degree makes their opinions worthless to you but hey as long as they entertain us while we stay safe at home who cares eh?

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m basing my opinions on interviews with professional footballers in Germany (and elsewhere) who have said they are scared of returning so soon and the potential impact it could have on their loved ones with underlying health conditions. Perhaps their lack of science degree makes their opinions worthless to you but hey as long as they entertain us while we stay safe at home who cares eh?

So why aren't they saying no? They could do that and clubs would have to back them, fans certainly would.

Their loves ones will be quite safe I think, the footballers will be tested before and after games so they'll know immediately if there is danger to their families wont they?

I don't think the footballers should be playing if its unsafe but people far smarter than you and me have came up with a plan to try and limit risk and get football going again. With everyone returning and being tested, of course there has been positve tests. Do you really think they didn't expect that?

[MWHIBBIES]

Are some people being deliberately thick?

If you cant stay on topic, stop posting. Embarrassing stuff.

[Peevemor]

If you cant stay on topic, stop posting. Embarrassing stuff.What makes you think I was talking about you?

[Keith_M]

He's not though is he �� not one player who tested positive actually is even showing any symptoms or unwell and there is a full top league card going ahead at the weekend. All those German science and medical experts will be gutted Keith m from hibs.net knows better. If the bundesliga doesn't return, schalke, one of the most supported sides on the planet and Bremen have said they will go bust among others.


The issue is whether the resumption of the league could spread the virus. I'm very happy that the Dynamo players are not unwell, but they are basically now virus carriers.

If you have these people in close contact (training and games) with other players, it's inevitable that the virus will spread.

Oh and no-one is arguing with science. Not all experts in the field are in favour of resuming the leagues. The issue is with businesses wanting to resume their business to the potential detriment of their employees (e.g. players), and anyone they may encounter.

All I've said all along is that the planned date is overly ambitious. The fact that some areas in Germany that had been opened up had to immediately reinstate restrictions because of a spike in infections would tend to support that.

[Hibeesmad]

Seria A teams have voted to resume the season on June 13th. Pending approval from the government.

[Sir David Gray]

Seria A teams have voted to resume the season on June 13th. Pending approval from the government.

It will be interesting to see how they get on.

After Monday, if any player tests positive for the virus then the entire squad will need to go into quarantine for 15 days.

It may take them a while to complete the season.

[EI255]

Whilst the notion of German football returning this weekend is great, I think it's way too early to resume football, even if Germany had a lower Covid figures than most countries. You can't help but think clubs will topple as soon as one player becomes infected / tests positive. Thereafter, leagues will stop. Again.

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