Ron Gordon

[blackpoolhibs]

I bet he wishes he'd never bought us now.

His plans for the club that were revealed at the agm have been scuppered at the first hurdle, not just us but every club worldwide will feel the pinch, some more than others.

We start off in a better place than most in Scotland, but these are worrying times financially for us all.

I wonder what the future holds? :confused:

[Lago]

We're doomed 😭

[hibeerealist]

I bet he wishes he'd never bought us now.

His plans for the club that were revealed at the agm have been scuppered at the first hurdle, not just us but every club worldwide will feel the pinch, some more than others.

We start off in a better place than most in Scotland, but these are worrying times financially for us all.

I wonder what the future holds? :confused:

I was thinking about this earlier BH, Ron set out his plans before this mess came down the pipe and he cannot be slated if the timing/figures slip back a bit as the Virus is in control for now.

[calumhibee1]

With no games for a month or so at least I fully expect the screen and ribbons to be installed within the next couple of weeks. :agree:

If not then Petrie out.

[Keith_M]

I bet he wishes he'd never bought us now.

His plans for the club that were revealed at the agm have been scuppered at the first hurdle, not just us but every club worldwide will feel the pinch, some more than others.

We start off in a better place than most in Scotland, but these are worrying times financially for us all.

I wonder what the future holds? :confused:



I presume he bought Hibs for the long term.

Contrary to popular opinion, it's not actually the end of the world.

[Hibbyradge]

I presume he bought Hibs for the long term.

Contrary to popular opinion, it's not actually the end of the world.

It will be for millions of people.

[Keith_M]

It will be for millions of people.



Millions?

[Hibbyradge]

Millions?

Yes. I think Millions world wide will die from this.

[scooby]

Yes. I think Millions world wide will die from this.

I get that you are scared, but that my friend is absolute nonsense. This virus has an average mortality rate worldwide of less than 1%.
Just to put this in context, approx 4600 deaths have been attributed to the virus out of a world population of 7.8 billion.
Regular influenza will still kill more people worldwide.

[Hibbyradge]

I get that you are scared, but that my friend is absolute nonsense. This virus has an average mortality rate worldwide of less than 1%.
Just to put this in context, approx 4600 deaths have been attributed to the virus out of a world population of 7.8 billion.
Regular influenza will still kill more people worldwide.

I hope you're right.

[eezyrider]

I get that you are scared, but that my friend is absolute nonsense. This virus has an average mortality rate worldwide of less than 1%.
Just to put this in context, approx 4600 deaths have been attributed to the virus out of a world population of 7.8 billion.
Regular influenza will still kill more people worldwide.

And yet 3-4% of those that get it die.

EZ

[cocteautwin]

The biggest potential problem for Hibs is what security has been granted further down the chain of ownership over Ron Gordon’s assets in the event of one of his businesses going under.

There’s going to be a large number of companies going bankrupt because of this situation. It’s the worst global economic catastrophe in 80 years. I don’t think people fully realise this yet.

[Since90+2]

And yet 3-4% of those that get it die.

EZ

The mortality rate won't be as high as that IMO.

The WHO have said the case fatality rate of known cases is 3.4% but that is on the basis of confirmed cases. It would only be as high as that if literally every single person who has this has been diagnosed which is obviously impossible. There will be lots of people who either don't have symptoms or have such mild symptoms they are not tested.

[CapitalGreen]

The biggest potential problem for Hibs is what security has been granted further down the chain of ownership over Ron Gordon’s assets in the event of one of his businesses going under.

There’s going to be a large number of companies going bankrupt because of this situation. It’s the worst global economic catastrophe in 80 years. I don’t think people fully realise this yet.

Does he actually own any other companies anymore? I’m not sure he does.

[eezyrider]

The mortality rate won't be as high as that IMO.

The WHO have said the case fatality rate of known cases is 3.4% but that is on the basis of confirmed cases. It would only be as high as that if literally every single person who has this has been diagnosed which is obviously impossible. There will be lots of people who either don't have symptoms or have such mild symptoms they are not tested.

Research so far indicates that the current figures are an accurate reflection. It's early days though and the situation is constantly changing.
Getting a clear picture is also not helped by countries like Iran suppressing what apparently is becoming a very serious situation.

EZ

[DH1875]

What if he gets it, then what happens?

[BoomtownHibees]

What if he gets it, then what happens?

He self isolates for 2 weeks then will be fine. Probably

[BILLYHIBS]

I have asked myself the same question many times if Ron Gordon ever regrets taking over HIBS?

I have no doubt whatsoever he is a good egg and is in it for the long haul he has HIBS best interests at heart we will get through this and I am convinced we will come out the other end just fine and hopefully stronger than before

Strap yourselves in it is going to be a bumpy ride

[DH1875]

He self isolates for 2 weeks then will be fine. Probably

And if he isn't? What age is he?

[Ozyhibby]

So long as season starts on time next August then Hibs won’t be hit that badly.


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[hibeerealist]

I get that you are scared, but that my friend is absolute nonsense. This virus has an average mortality rate worldwide of less than 1%.
Just to put this in context, approx 4600 deaths have been attributed to the virus out of a world population of 7.8 billion.
Regular influenza will still kill more people worldwide.


Governments around the world don't seem to be treating as per your example do they? IF it was less of a killer than the flu then why are countries on lock down, virtually all sports suspended etc, there is no precedent but it appears that this virus COULD well result in millions of deaths.

[BoomtownHibees]

And if he isn't? What age is he?

63

[Lunatic]

3.5% death rate in China. That's because they built hospitals with 500 respirators in a few weeks.
Italy is 7%. They don't have as many respirators, nor the resources to build them.
The reason they're trying so hard, to contain the spread, is that once all the ventilators and ECMO machines (for really bad cases) are taken, the death rate sky rockets.

[The 90+2]

Let’s hope/pray people like Ron Gordon, Sir Tom and Rod Petrie all stay fit and healthy along with our loved ones/most vulnerable.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Just so long as this doesn't turn into a long term situation, for example into December, we should be fine. All of the projects announced at the AGM like big screens, ribbons round the pitch and even an indoor training facility can all take a back seat if the money set aside for them turns out to be needed to finance the club on a day to day basis ..... unless of course we are already committed to purchasing the screen and ribbons, which at this stage is eminently possible I suppose.

I doubt RG will be panicking just yet, annoyance at his plans being hampered somewhat notwithstanding of course. As for other clubs, I'm willing to bet a lot of them wish they were in our position financially.

[The 90+2]

3.5% death rate in China. That's because they built hospitals with 500 respirators in a few weeks.
Italy is 7%. They don't have as many respirators, nor the resources to build them.
The reason they're trying so hard, to contain the spread, is that once all the ventilators and ECMO machines (for really bad cases) are taken, the death rate sky rockets.

I’m not sure how there can be any clear estimate of anything if millions are being told to self isolate without being tested? Are the governments just taking a guess of how many untested will actually have it or what?

[Sudds_1]

I get that you are scared, but that my friend is absolute nonsense. This virus has an average mortality rate worldwide of less than 1%.
Just to put this in context, approx 4600 deaths have been attributed to the virus out of a world population of 7.8 billion.
Regular influenza will still kill more people worldwide.

This. Asian flu tonamebut one ( and SARS) claimed many more and we didnt have the hysteria we're seeing now in certain areas. Less than 1 % death rate globally...most if not all already very ill...89%
will experience a mild to bad cold...10% a wee bit more ill but are survivors. ...

[The 90+2]

This. Asian flu tonamebut one ( and SARS) claimed many more and we didnt have the hysteria we're seeing now in certain areas. Less than 1 % death rate globally...most if not all already very ill...89%
will experience a mild to bad cold...10% a wee bit more ill but are survivors. ...

We are nowhere near the middle even of how bad it’s predicted to get.

[Hibbyradge]

This. Asian flu tonamebut one ( and SARS) claimed many more and we didnt have the hysteria we're seeing now in certain areas. Less than 1 % death rate globally...most if not all already very ill...89%
will experience a mild to bad cold...10% a wee bit more ill but are survivors. ...

Where did those figures come from?

[Sudds_1]

Where did those figures come from?

Bbc 1 bulletin a day ago.....

[Hibs90]

Amazing how many scientists we have on this thread.

[CMurdoch]

Just so long as this doesn't turn into a long term situation, for example into December, we should be fine. All of the projects announced at the AGM like big screens, ribbons round the pitch and even an indoor training facility can all take a back seat if the money set aside for them turns out to be needed to finance the club on a day to day basis ..... unless of course we are already committed to purchasing the screen and ribbons, which at this stage is eminently possible I suppose.

I doubt RG will be panicking just yet, annoyance at his plans being hampered somewhat notwithstanding of course. As for other clubs, I'm willing to bet a lot of them wish they were in our position financially.

Celtic, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen will be fine
Rangers will be fine if and when they get their big wedge for this seasons European competition success.
Motherwell will probably be okay.

Inverness could be in big trouble.
What about the rest?

[Tobias Funke]

Yes. I think Millions world wide will die from this.

Over 3,200 people have succumbed in China in a population of over 1.3 billion. The number of daily reported cases has dropped to 20, 10 deaths yesterday.

To say millions will die from this virus is ridiculous.

[The 90+2]

Celtic, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen will be fine
Rangers will be fine if and when they get their big wedge for this seasons European competition success.
Motherwell will probably be okay.

Inverness could be in big trouble.
What about the rest?

Rangers won’t be fine if they void the league/Europe. It’s why they are keeping shut while their support demand it be voided. No massive European payment nor the idea of two champions league places soon because of a voided co-officiant points gathering for the voided European season. They will be hoping that the season just stops as it is and prize money is handed out among the remaining sides in European competition.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Rangers won’t be fine if they void the league/Europe. It’s why they are keeping shut while their support demand it be voided. No massive European payment nor the idea of two champions league places soon because of a voided co-officiant points gathering for the voided European season. They will be hoping that the season just stops as it is and prize money is handed out among the remaining sides in European competition.

This isn't a case of what happens tae the Rangurz ... their survival or not will be a moot point if they don't have a league to play in at all. Such a scenario is a long way off for sure, but its not outwith the bounds of possibility that if the worst was to happen and sporting fixtures remain cancelled for long enough we could end up losing clubs .... what sort of a league would we have if we lost 5 or 6 full time clubs and a pile of part time ones?

The SFA has no money, the SPFL has no money and with airlines already bitching about bailouts where would Hamilton, ICT or Motherwell be in the pecking order for a state funded rescue package?

[Speedway]

People who are self made millionaires, multi-millionaires or billionaires are rarely also known for being panic merchants.

Ron will be very well versed in contingency planning and while far from ideal, I doubt he will regret buying Hibs given that the purchase was such a small percentage of the man’s net worth.

[matty_f]

The biggest potential problem for Hibs is what security has been granted further down the chain of ownership over Ron Gordon’s assets in the event of one of his businesses going under.

There’s going to be a large number of companies going bankrupt because of this situation. It’s the worst global economic catastrophe in 80 years. I don’t think people fully realise this yet.

That's only a problem if we borrow from him.

We haven't borrowed anything as yet, though you'd have to think it's likely to see us through this period.

Ultimately this might prove to be a real opportunity for Hibs. We're well positioned to ride out the storm and so it should mean when we come out the other side of it we're in a better position than many of our competitors.

Factor in the potential for the season ending now and we could actually get ahead of the game with some of the improvements.

[Lunatic]

Anyway, this is likely to benefit Hibs overall.
Teams that are really stretching themselves financially will be hit FAR harder than teams like Hibs, who are debt free and haven't overspent on a bunch of ***** who're going to get relegated and a manager who's looking for any way out.
Not looking at anyone in Particular
of course.

[Keith_M]

And yet 3-4% of those that get it die.

EZ


I believe it's a fairly high percentage, in comparison to the like of flu, but it's too early to say what the genuine percentage of deaths per infected person is.

For instance, Italy is regularly announcing the numbers of those that have died, but stopped recording new cases.

The USA is woefully inadequate in regards to number of infections/deaths, as they don't even have the ability to test people.

[Shrekko]

Over 3,200 people have succumbed in China in a population of over 1.3 billion. The number of daily reported cases has dropped to 20, 10 deaths yesterday.

To say millions will die from this virus is ridiculous.

I think it would be fairer to say that China have probably shown the rest of the world that there doesn’t have to be millions of deaths. Hopefully that will be the case.

[CentreLine]

Let’s hope/pray people like Ron Gordon, Sir Tom and Rod Petrie all stay fit and healthy along with our loved ones/most vulnerable.

Saw STF at the Garden Centre this afternoon, enjoying tea and cake or something similar. He looks old but not unwell

[CentreLine]

Amazing how many scientists we have on this thread.

I suppose the spread of people that access this thread simply reflects society. There are people from all walks of life on this thread but they may choose to keep their day to day life out of their enjoyment of football forum debate

[CentreLine]

This. Asian flu tonamebut one ( and SARS) claimed many more and we didnt have the hysteria we're seeing now in certain areas. Less than 1 % death rate globally...most if not all already very ill...89%
will experience a mild to bad cold...10% a wee bit more ill but are survivors. ...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

That looks awfully like 7% fatality to me.

[Pretty Boy]

That looks awfully like 7% fatality to me.

6087 deaths to 163 592 confirmed cases is 3.7%

[Hibbyradge]

6087 deaths to 163 592 confirmed cases is 3.7%

There are still 84000+ unresolved cases in that overall number. And 7% of them are critical.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Anyway, this is likely to benefit Hibs overall.
Teams that are really stretching themselves financially will be hit FAR harder than teams like Hibs, who are debt free and haven't overspent on a bunch of ***** who're going to get relegated and a manager who's looking for any way out.
Not looking at anyone in Particular
of course.

You’d hope so wouldn’t you. However in Hearts (not this season), Livi, Motherwell appear to be until now unperturbed by previous misdemeanours.

[emerald green]

I believe it's a fairly high percentage, in comparison to the like of flu, but it's too early to say what the genuine percentage of deaths per infected person is.

For instance, Italy is regularly announcing the numbers of those that have died, but stopped recording new cases.

The USA is woefully inadequate in regards to number of infections/deaths, as they don't even have the ability to test people.

The bit in bold is incorrect. Nonsense in fact.

[Since90+2]

There are still 84000+ unresolved cases in that overall number. And 7% of them are critical.

There will be a huge number of undiagnosed cases as some people have such mild symptoms they are simply not presenting for testing.

UK Chief Medical Officer estimates the true fatality rate is around 1% and on this one I think he may be right.

[Hibs4185]

This is why I feel HSL has to continue collecting funds so if the worst was ever to happen at least the fans would have a head start in trying to purchase RG’s shares.

The only way to know if RG regrets buying hibs is if someone offered him his original investment back. If he accepted them you’d have your answer.

I however think he is here for the long haul. I would still prefer us fans to have a back up plan just in case though.

[Hibbyradge]

There will be a huge number of undiagnosed cases as some people have such mild symptoms they are simply not presenting for testing.

UK Chief Medical Officer estimates the true fatality rate is around 1% and on this one I think he may be right.

That would mean there are 7 times as many people who have had the virus compared to the worldometer figures no?

[CentreLine]

There will be a huge number of undiagnosed cases as some people have such mild symptoms they are simply not presenting for testing.

UK Chief Medical Officer estimates the true fatality rate is around 1% and on this one I think he may be right.

The eye of the storm in this pandemic originates in China. It has since moved to Europe. It will move on to USA. I agree that the CMO "estimates" 1% but that is based on an estimated 80% of the whole population actually contracting the virus but not being recorded. The actual known figures offer a higher percentage mortality. In either case, we are dismissing an awful lot of lives if we shrug out collective shoulders at 1%. Which I am sure you are not doing

[Just Alf]

There will be a huge number of undiagnosed cases as some people have such mild symptoms they are simply not presenting for testing.

UK Chief Medical Officer estimates the true fatality rate is around 1% and on this one I think he may be right.Pretty much agree with that last bit, the question that many seem to be avoiding though is what 1% death rate looks like in 4-5 months time once the virus has done infecting everyone.

Folk STILL compare it to the Flu etc but with that, the vast majority don't get it because of flu jabs or a built up immunity, corona is on its 1st 'sweep' so isn't (yet) comparable therefore the total numbers of flu deaths are lower despite a similar %.. Flu and corona comparisons can be made next year, assuming a vaccine is made as widely available as the flu version.

I think!



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[jacomo]

Research so far indicates that the current figures are an accurate reflection. It's early days though and the situation is constantly changing.
Getting a clear picture is also not helped by countries like Iran suppressing what apparently is becoming a very serious situation.

EZ


There is no way every case of Coronavirus in the UK has been tested and confirmed. Not even close.

[Andy74]

That would mean there are 7 times as many people who have had the virus compared to the worldometer figures no?

It was estimated at the end of the week that the true number of cases could be a factor of 10 of reported cases.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Folk STILL compare it to the Flu etc but with that, the vast majority don't get it because of flu jabs or a built up immunity, corona is on its 1st 'sweep' so isn't (yet) comparable therefore the total numbers of flu deaths are lower despite a similar %.. Flu and corona comparisons can be made next year, assuming a vaccine is made as widely available as the flu version.

I think!



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That's how I see it too, it's a pointless comparison at the moment.

[DH1875]

There is no way every case of Coronavirus in the UK has been tested and confirmed. Not even close.

That's not news, government openly admit it. Only people being tested now are those who need to go to hospital.

[DH1875]

It was estimated at the end of the week that the true number of cases could be a factor of 10 of reported cases.

Was some expert on sky news earlier. He said that tens of thousands of people in the UK already have it. That's tens of thousands, not 10 thousand.

[CentreLine]

There is no way every case of Coronavirus in the UK has been tested and confirmed. Not even close.

I think the number counting is helpful for future analysis of what happened but if anyone needs to see the tragedy of what this thing looks like they only need to look at pictures from Italy. The over stressed Medicare system is there for all to see and 1,809 deaths so far from 24,747 known cases. A country at breaking point

[Keith_M]

The bit in bold is incorrect. Nonsense in fact.


OK, it's slightly more complicated.... but not nonsense.


'On Thursday, the top health official for infectious diseases admitted that the testing system was "currently failing", and that the US was not able to supply tests "easily, the way people in other countries are doing it".'

BBC Article (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51875871)

[Hibbyradge]

It was estimated at the end of the week that the true number of cases could be a factor of 10 of reported cases.

Wow. I didn't see that.

[Leith Green]

And yet 3-4% of those that get it die.

EZ


Didnt they reckon though that lots will get Coronavirus and not even realise it? Think they said lots will have mild symptoms..
If thats the case then surely that would make the reported death rates well out , it would be a death rate of reported cases which is what these figures are based on.

[jacomo]

That's not news, government openly admit it. Only people being tested now are those who need to go to hospital.


Sure, but my point is that it makes the reported fatality rate fairly meaningless.

[FilipinoHibs]

I get that you are scared, but that my friend is absolute nonsense. This virus has an average mortality rate worldwide of less than 1%.
Just to put this in context, approx 4600 deaths have been attributed to the virus out of a world population of 7.8 billion.
Regular influenza will still kill more people worldwide.

Experts are saying the whole world will catch it. A 1% death rate is 78 million. More likely to be closer to flu death rate of 0 1% so 7.8 million dead.

[Hibbyradge]

Over 3,200 people have succumbed in China in a population of over 1.3 billion. The number of daily reported cases has dropped to 20, 10 deaths yesterday.

To say millions will die from this virus is ridiculous.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised

[Keith_M]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised



Articles in the Guardian about "secret reports" and using the words "possibility" and "suggests" a lot.

I don't think they should be taken as 100% guaranteed to happen exactly as it's making out.

[Hibbyradge]

Articles in the Guardian about "secret reports" and using the words "possibility" and "suggests" a lot.

I don't think they should be taken as 100% guaranteed to happen exactly as it's making out.

I don't think anything is guaranteed. However, I think the "it's just like the flu" brigade are very, very wrong.

[Keith_M]

I don't think anything is guaranteed. However, I think the "it's just like the flu" brigade are very, very wrong.


I agree that it's not just like Flu.

I suppose I'm just trying to remain as positive as possible and hope people deal with this calmly.

[WestCoastHibby]

Statistically 100% of people who eat food will die.....at some point
Statistics eh??

[Keith_M]

Statistically 100% of people who eat food will die.....at some point
Statistics eh??



87.3% of all statistics are just made up.

[HoboHarry]

87.3% of all statistics are just made up.
And the other 18.1% are lies......

[Keith_M]

And the other 18.1% are lies......



37% of people are good at Maths.

The other 64% are sub-standard

[jacomo]

The bit in bold is incorrect. Nonsense in fact.


Why did you post this?

There is, across large swathes of USA, no testing regime for Coronavirus in place. That is fact: unless you watch Fox News.

[emerald green]

OK, it's slightly more complicated.... but not nonsense.


'On Thursday, the top health official for infectious diseases admitted that the testing system was "currently failing", and that the US was not able to supply tests "easily, the way people in other countries are doing it".'

BBC Article (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51875871)

Yep, but that's not what your previous post said, was it.


Why did you post this?

There is, across large swathes of USA, no testing regime for Coronavirus in place. That is fact: unless you watch Fox News.

Why? Because I know someone personally who has already been tested in USA. Got tested no problem, and thankfully test result has come back as negative.

[jacomo]

Why? Because I know someone personally who has already been tested in USA. Got tested no problem, and thankfully test result has come back as negative.


I’m very pleased for them, but it’s hardly a typical experience is it? Have you been watching the news?