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12-03-2020, 07:00 PM
More... (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/10583)

theonlywayisup
12-03-2020, 07:02 PM
Hibernian Football Club would like to advise supporters about important measures that are being put in place to support everyone’s efforts to minimise the spread of coronavirus.We recognise our role in this effort - as a business and a club at the centre of our community - and our priority is the health and safety of everyone.We are in regular discussion with both the SPFL and Scottish FA who are, in turn, liaising closely with the Scottish Government.We are taking advice from them, as well as following guidelines issued by the World Health Organisation and NHS.The First Minister’s update from today advised that all gatherings of more than 500 should be cancelled from Monday of next week.This escalation is not unexpected given the evolving situation worldwide.The advice has been to do all that we can to ensure the health and wellbeing of our first-team squad in order to fulfil our fixtures.We are preparing for our home game against St Johnstone on Saturday 14 March to go ahead as planned.The Ticket Centre and Clubstore remain open for business during the usual hours.However, we will monitor developments and communicate any changes via the club website and on our social media channels, should they be necessary.You will be aware that some measures are already in place, for example, around cancelling the traditional pre and post-match handshakes between players.With regret, we also feel it necessary at this stage to withdraw our players from public appearances and, where possible, restrict their contact with supporters and the general public.To help the club protect its players and staff, we ask that you do not approach the players for autographs, handshakes, selfies or anything similar during this time.We understand that our club plays an important role in our community, but feel these measures are necessary and thank you for your understanding.Access to players’ areas during matchdays at Easter Road will also be closely controlled, with only essential staff being permitted into the tunnel, manager’s office, changing rooms, medical areas and visiting team rooms.We will work with our colleagues in the media to try and facilitate as much access as is practical during these restrictions and thank them for their understanding and cooperation.We have undergone a programme of enhanced deep cleaning at the Hibernian Training Centre in East Lothian, as the club seeks to mitigate any risk of the virus affecting players and staff and spreading locally.Access to HTC is already restricted to essential personnel and visitors by appointment.At this time, we will monitor the situation locally and adapt our access controls as necessary.We understand that this may have an impact on our Hibernian Community Foundation, members of the media and other partners and thank everyone for their cooperation.While Easter Road remains open as usual, some non-essential events have been cancelled or postponed, particularly those that involve vulnerable or at-risk groups.We look forward to welcoming them back to Easter Road as soon as possible, and when it is sensible to do so.

matty_f
12-03-2020, 07:03 PM
Sensible approach.

Billy Whizz
12-03-2020, 07:03 PM
Can’t ask for anything more than that, from Hibs

GloryGlory
12-03-2020, 07:06 PM
More... (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/10583)

Good initial statement from the club. It will change as the weeks and months go by.

My first question -will we stop using mascots being led out hand-in-hand with the players? A small step, but...

Iggy Pope
12-03-2020, 07:14 PM
It’s all getting a bit 4-minute warning for me!!!

Hibbyradge
12-03-2020, 07:23 PM
It’s all getting a bit 4-minute warning for me!!!

There's a reason for that, Mr Pope.

jacomo
12-03-2020, 07:32 PM
Can’t ask for anything more than that, from Hibs


I’d have preferred a good edit and a bit less text, to be honest.

Iggy Pope
12-03-2020, 07:32 PM
There's a reason for that, Mr Pope.

Nuclear war?

jacomo
12-03-2020, 07:41 PM
Nuclear war?


Put a blanket over your head, hide under a table and listen to the wireless for further instruction.

banchoryhibs
12-03-2020, 07:41 PM
I believe that the west side of our beautiful city has much more fear of impending Armageddon than the east.. :cb

bod
12-03-2020, 07:42 PM
no mention of hot water in the toilets to wash your hands though

Billy Whizz
12-03-2020, 07:48 PM
I’d have preferred a good edit and a bit less text, to be honest.

Probably just covering themselves

Borderhibbie76
12-03-2020, 07:56 PM
no mention of hot water in the toilets to wash your hands though

Yup was just thinking the same thing

Chorley Hibee
12-03-2020, 07:57 PM
Not blaming Hibs, but withdrawing players from appearances etc, but then asking them to turn up and play on Saturday is farcical in my opinion.

Scottish Government response to curtail gatherings from Monday instead of immediately is nonsensical.

Sir David Gray
12-03-2020, 07:58 PM
Not blaming Hibs, but withdrawing players from appearances etc, but then asking them to turn up and play on Saturday is farcical in my opinion.

Scottish Government response to curtail gatherings from Monday instead of immediately is nonsensical.

Agreed. Especially when it will be hugs all round when a goal's scored.

The 90+2
12-03-2020, 08:06 PM
Not blaming Hibs, but withdrawing players from appearances etc, but then asking them to turn up and play on Saturday is farcical in my opinion.

Scottish Government response to curtail gatherings from Monday instead of immediately is nonsensical.

They are obviously that concerned of the spread over the weekend or there’s nothing they can do. It’s into next week and contain.

Scouse Hibee
12-03-2020, 08:16 PM
Pretty much what I would have expected from Hibs, I will still be going on Saturday and won’t be altering my routine at the ground at all.

Keith_M
12-03-2020, 08:19 PM
no mention of hot water in the toilets to wash your hands though


I can't see them being able to rebuild the water supply system by Saturday but you never know.


TBH, if anybody wants to avoid infection, they'd be well advised to stay clear of the toilets in the East Stand.

penihibs
12-03-2020, 08:26 PM
I can't see them being able to rebuild the water supply system by Saturday but you never know.


TBH, if anybody wants to avoid infection, they'd be well advised to stay clear of the toilets in the East Stand.
No self respecting virus would go in there..

Andy74
12-03-2020, 08:29 PM
no mention of hot water in the toilets to wash your hands though

Hot water makes no odds anyway.

The 90+2
12-03-2020, 08:31 PM
Hot water makes no odds anyway.

It doesn’t in general terms of not being clarty as anything.

bigwheel
12-03-2020, 08:32 PM
Hot water makes no odds anyway.

Not quite true...whilst it isn’t hot enough to kill bacteria, hot water is more effective at removing oils and film that retain bacteria on your hands

Scouse Hibee
12-03-2020, 08:36 PM
Not quite true...whilst it isn’t hot enough to kill bacteria, hot water is more effective at removing oils and film that retain bacteria on your hands

Yes always google if not sure 😉

Hi Heid Yin
12-03-2020, 08:36 PM
I believe that the west side of our beautiful city has much more fear of impending Armageddon than the east.. :cb

:tee hee::tee hee:

Renfrew_Hibby
12-03-2020, 08:39 PM
Agreed. Especially when it will be hugs all round when a goal's scored.

Aye but the bigot bros have a big jolly up planned for Sunday

Beefster
12-03-2020, 08:43 PM
Hot water makes no odds anyway.

Folk are far more likely to wash their hands properly if the water is even tepid. Unfortunately, the water in the East is a couple of degrees above absolute zero.

J-C
12-03-2020, 09:09 PM
Hot water makes no odds anyway.

Didn't realise you were an expert, the other expert on tv said washing with warm water and soap for 20 secs was enough to kill the germs.

Bostonhibby
12-03-2020, 09:17 PM
Put a blanket over your head, hide under a table and listen to the wireless for further instruction.I'm in the shed, walls lined 3ft thick with toilet roll and Pasta and I'm lying in a bathtub full of hand sanitizer.

I'm not coming out for anyone until Mrs doctor Budge issues a statement to the faithful.

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Andy74
12-03-2020, 09:17 PM
Didn't realise you were an expert, the other expert on tv said washing with warm water and soap for 20 secs was enough to kill the germs.

I’m not, but my wife is a health specialist who advises the government on infectious diseases.

There’s been a number of studies in this. For both bacteria and viruses you’d have to be using boiling water to have much impact.

For the one or two pishes you do at the football, cold water will do just fine.

Scouse Hibee
12-03-2020, 09:18 PM
Didn't realise you were an expert, the other expert on tv said washing with warm water and soap for 20 secs was enough to kill the germs.

I’m surprised someone describing themselves as an expert on TV would get it so wrong. Who was it?

eezyrider
12-03-2020, 09:21 PM
The main threat, and peak of this epidemic, is still to come that's why the Scottish Government are suggesting restrictions come in from Monday. The government in Westminster are looking to blink at the last minute.

Nothing that happens this weekend will make much difference but as we get to the end of the month and into April the precautions will ramp up.

EZ

Baldy Foghorn
12-03-2020, 09:22 PM
Not blaming Hibs, but withdrawing players from appearances etc, but then asking them to turn up and play on Saturday is farcical in my opinion.

Scottish Government response to curtail gatherings from Monday instead of immediately is nonsensical.

It's an emergency come Monday, however, its BAU until then? You are right it doesn't make sense. Cancel all now, or don't cancel any.

Playing to a big crowd on Sunday is fine, after that anything over 500 is deemed unsafe? Can't get head around this

jacomo
12-03-2020, 09:27 PM
I'm in the shed, walls lined 3ft thick with toilet roll and Pasta and I'm lying in a bathtub full of hand sanitizer.

I'm not coming out for anyone until Mrs doctor Budge issues a statement to the faithful.

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She forgot to order the toilet roll. She will be round yours later asking to borrow some.

‘A few sheets would be nice, but 2 dozen rolls would be better.’

Kavinho
12-03-2020, 09:28 PM
It's an emergency come Monday, however, its BAU until then? You are right it doesn't make sense. Cancel all now, or don't cancel any.

Playing to a big crowd on Sunday is fine, after that anything over 500 is deemed unsafe? Can't get head around this

The exponential growth rate of the virus can be pretty well mapped.

With not a large number of cases "yet", it's a predictable emergency, but not quite one yet.

Shut everyone out of everything, and then people will break the curfews and isolations at a time when they are actually more likely to either have it, or walk into an arena where the virus is live and transmitting itself


That's the thinking at least.

Just Alf
12-03-2020, 09:33 PM
Didn't realise you were an expert, the other expert on tv said washing with warm water and soap for 20 secs was enough to kill the germs.
I’m surprised someone describing themselves as an expert on TV would get it so wrong. Who was it?To be fair, they're right... They'd also be right if they said the same about cold water mind!

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B.H.F.C
12-03-2020, 09:38 PM
It's an emergency come Monday, however, its BAU until then? You are right it doesn't make sense. Cancel all now, or don't cancel any.

Playing to a big crowd on Sunday is fine, after that anything over 500 is deemed unsafe? Can't get head around this

Whether it’s right or wrong (I genuinely have no idea) the reasoning seems to be that they aren’t concerned about the spread of the virus amongst the crowd but more concerned about the strain on the emergency services. Not being stopped this weekend as resources already all allocated etc but they want to free them up going forward.

Scouse Hibee
12-03-2020, 09:40 PM
To be fair, they're right... They'd also be right if they said the same about cold water mind!

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Yeah it’s the soap that’s important not the temp of the water.

Bostonhibby
12-03-2020, 09:44 PM
She forgot to order the toilet roll. She will be round yours later asking to borrow some.

‘A few sheets would be nice, but 2 dozen rolls would be better.’Turns up at my door and I swear I'll do time, so will the dog.

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matty_f
12-03-2020, 09:48 PM
Not blaming Hibs, but withdrawing players from appearances etc, but then asking them to turn up and play on Saturday is farcical in my opinion.

Scottish Government response to curtail gatherings from Monday instead of immediately is nonsensical.
It's sensible. You need to be generally within 2 meters of someone who is infected to catch it.

If you limit the number of people you're in close contact with, you greatly reduce the risk of catching it (or passing it on).

Smartie
12-03-2020, 09:49 PM
I’m not, but my wife is a health specialist who advises the government on infectious diseases.

There’s been a number of studies in this. For both bacteria and viruses you’d have to be using boiling water to have much impact.

For the one or two pishes you do at the football, cold water will do just fine.

Without wishing to be crude, I suppose it depends on how absolutely riddled with infection your tadger is.

jacomo
12-03-2020, 09:56 PM
Without wishing to be crude, I suppose it depends on how absolutely riddled with infection your tadger is.


Got nothing to do with it. Otherwise you’d be soaping up your c***.

Washing your hands is about getting the virus off your hands if you have picked it up from a surface, handle or anything, before you touch your face.

Andy74’s wife should tell him that.

Andy74
12-03-2020, 09:58 PM
Got nothing to do with it. Otherwise you’d be soaping up your c***.

Washing your hands is about getting the virus off your hands if you have picked it up from a surface, handle or anything, before you touch your face.

Andy74’s wife should tell him that.

Eh?

I agree with you on the purpose of washing your hands. It’s the temperature of the water that makes no difference.

Max_Shah
12-03-2020, 10:00 PM
It's sensible. You need to be generally within 2 meters of someone who is infected to catch it.

If you limit the number of people you're in close contact with, you greatly reduce the risk of catching it (or passing it on).

:top marks

Great post

The above is based on peer reviewed empirical data verified by world leading immunologists, epidemiologists and the World Health Organization itself.

A sensible precaution.

brog
12-03-2020, 10:09 PM
It's an emergency come Monday, however, its BAU until then? You are right it doesn't make sense. Cancel all now, or don't cancel any.

Playing to a big crowd on Sunday is fine, after that anything over 500 is deemed unsafe? Can't get head around this

Much of the reaction has been ludicrously inconsistent. The Ireland Italy rugby game was cancelled nearly 3 weeks ago yet thousands of planes continued to fly to/from Italy without restriction.

Chorley Hibee
12-03-2020, 10:15 PM
It's sensible. You need to be generally within 2 meters of someone who is infected to catch it.

If you limit the number of people you're in close contact with, you greatly reduce the risk of catching it (or passing it on).

So it's probably not a good idea to have circa 14/15k people attend a football match at Easter Rd on Saturday then?

Andy74
12-03-2020, 10:36 PM
So it's probably not a good idea to have circa 14/15k people attend a football match at Easter Rd on Saturday then?

At this stage the high end estimates are that about 10,000 people across the UK are infected.

Given that most people will get through it within days I suspect most fans are still happy to take their chances.

There needs to be some degree of carrying on with life otherwise we might as well just have a global curfew for a few months?

vuefrom1875
12-03-2020, 10:46 PM
Can’t ask for anything more than that, from Hibs

Hot water in the toilets would be a start.

Andy74
12-03-2020, 10:47 PM
Hot water in the toilets would be a start.

It wouldn’t.

Captain Trips
12-03-2020, 10:47 PM
At this stage the high end estimates are that about 10,000 people across the UK are infected.

Given that most people will get through it within days I suspect most fans are still happy to take their chances.

There needs to be some degree of carrying on with life otherwise we might as well just have a global curfew for a few months?

Andy we have not agreed on a lot but I think you are correct.

HUTCHYHIBBY
12-03-2020, 10:49 PM
Hot water in the toilets would be a start.

Surprised that's not been suggested before. 😉

BoomtownHibees
12-03-2020, 10:49 PM
It wouldn’t.

It would. Folk would more than likely wash their hands properly with at least warm water rather than what we get now!! You’re right in that it wouldn’t make a difference directly to the virus but it would encourage more folk to clean themselves properly I would think

BlackSheep
12-03-2020, 10:58 PM
Andy we have not agreed on a lot but I think you are correct.

Sorry to sound bad but I have to disagree with the post you quoted...

...it selfish to think ‘we should just carry on cos I’ll be ok...!’

We can revisit comments like that once a friend or relative has contracted Covid-19 from you or another person and dies. Shall we carry on as if that hasn’t happened?

Isolation for however long it takes will save lives... maybe not yours but likely someone you know or love.

There’s a bigger picture here, not sure how so many don’t seem to see this.

Andy74
12-03-2020, 11:01 PM
Sorry to sound bad but I have to disagree with the post you quoted...

...it selfish to think ‘we should just carry on cos I’ll be ok...!’

We can revisit comments like that once a friend or relative has contracted Covid-19 from you or another person and dies. Shall we carry on as if that hasn’t happened?

Isolation for however long it takes will save lives... maybe not yours but likely someone you know or love.

There’s a bigger picture here, not sure how so many don’t seem to see this.

So are you exclusively staying home and for how long?

Currently the chances of coming into contact with the virus and passing it or are pretty minimal. When that changes we can react more extensively.

HibbyDave
12-03-2020, 11:03 PM
On Tv tonight Jeremy Hunt.
If 5% of the population catch the virus and if 5% of those people need intensive care
That’s around 160,000 people needing intensive care.
Currently in the UK we have 4000 intensive care beds!

How do we deal with that?

Steven79
12-03-2020, 11:09 PM
On Tv tonight Jeremy Hunt.
If 5% of the population catch the virus and if 5% of those people need intensive care
That’s around 160,000 people needing intensive care.
Currently in the UK we have 4000 intensive care beds!

How do we deal with that?They would choose to save those with a better chance of survival and the rest would be left to die.

That's the reality of it and the politicians know this but dare not say it out loud.

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Captain Trips
12-03-2020, 11:20 PM
Sorry to sound bad but I have to disagree with the post you quoted...

...it selfish to think ‘we should just carry on cos I’ll be ok...!’

We can revisit comments like that once a friend or relative has contracted Covid-19 from you or another person and dies. Shall we carry on as if that hasn’t happened?

Isolation for however long it takes will save lives... maybe not yours but likely someone you know or love.

There’s a bigger picture here, not sure how so many don’t seem to see this.

Who said it would be OK? Who needs to see bigger picture? You think just because I decide to treat it differently from you I don't understand it? Me staying at home does nothing. If I choose to go out thats on me, if I catch it I will not risk infecting anyone by isolating myself however until that occurs I will continue as I am.

Frankhfc
12-03-2020, 11:21 PM
They would choose to save those with a better chance of survival and the rest would be left to die.

That's the reality of it and the politicians know this but dare not say it out loud.

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They'd hopefully and very probably be 'made comfortable' which is the terminology for being merciful and ensuring those with 'no hope' are kept continuously topped up with morphine until the end. People are going to lose loved ones. This is very bad indeed.

superfurryhibby
12-03-2020, 11:28 PM
It would. Folk would more than likely wash their hands properly with at least warm water rather than what we get now!! You’re right in that it wouldn’t make a difference directly to the virus but it would encourage more folk to clean themselves properly I would think

Nah, if people aren’t thick as **** then they will wash their hands anyway, warm water won’t matter to the stupid ones.

Steven79
12-03-2020, 11:36 PM
They'd hopefully and very probably be 'made comfortable' which is the terminology for being merciful and ensuring those with 'no hope' are kept continuously topped up with morphine until the end. People are going to lose loved ones. This is very bad indeed.We have a family wedding next week and I'm fearing that some of the kids will be carriers and potentially infect the older members of the family including my great Auntie who is nearly 90.

I myself suffer from acute asthma and while I would more than likely survive it would be something I would rather pass on.

I also survived cancer ten years ago but the chemo left my lungs/breathing rubbish at the best of times.

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J-C
12-03-2020, 11:45 PM
I’m surprised someone describing themselves as an expert on TV would get it so wrong. Who was it?


Taken from the Government website on the virus.

10. Hand hygieneThis is essential before and after all patient contact, removal of protective clothing and decontamination of the environment.
Use soap and water to wash hands or an alcohol hand rub if hands are visibly clean.
Rings (other than a plain smooth band), wrist watches and wrist jewellery must not be worn by staff.

The 90+2
12-03-2020, 11:47 PM
We have a family wedding next week and I'm fearing that some of the kids will be carriers and potentially infect the older members of the family including my great Auntie who is nearly 90.

I myself suffer from acute asthma and while I would more than likely survive it would be something I would rather pass on.

I also survived cancer ten years ago but the chemo left my lungs/breathing rubbish at the best of times.

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You shouldn’t even be considering going to that wedding mate.

Steven79
12-03-2020, 11:49 PM
You shouldn’t even be considering going to that wedding mate.It's my brothers so feel I have no choice.

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Frankhfc
12-03-2020, 11:49 PM
We have a family wedding next week and I'm fearing that some of the kids will be carriers and potentially infect the older members of the family including my great Auntie who is nearly 90.

I myself suffer from acute asthma and while I would more than likely survive it would be something I would rather pass on.

I also survived cancer ten years ago but the chemo left my lungs/breathing rubbish at the best of times.

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I hope the wedding goes well for you and no one attending has the virus which is entirely possible. Its a worrying situation though nethertheless.

Andy74
12-03-2020, 11:50 PM
Taken from the Government website on the virus.

10. Hand hygieneThis is essential before and after all patient contact, removal of protective clothing and decontamination of the environment.
Use soap and water to wash hands or an alcohol hand rub if hands are visibly clean.
Rings (other than a plain smooth band), wrist watches and wrist jewellery must not be worn by staff.

It seems to be missing reference to the temperature of the water.

Andy74
12-03-2020, 11:52 PM
You shouldn’t even be considering going to that wedding mate.

Why’s that?

The 90+2
12-03-2020, 11:55 PM
It's my brothers so feel I have no choice.

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👍💚

The 90+2
12-03-2020, 11:56 PM
Why’s that?

No reason Andy. It’s likely it’s a load of ***** and nothing will happen or anyone could pass on a global epidemic 👍 which is now a pandemic.

Why is Hibernian even sending out statements on this? Afterall it’s just a flu, right?

Andy74
12-03-2020, 11:59 PM
No reason Andy. It’s likely it’s a load of ***** and nothing will happen or anyone could pass on a global epidemic 👍

Being alarmist at this point is as unhelpful as not being careful and prepared.

Saying people shouldn’t even comprehend going to a wedding is just a bit over the top right now.

Just Alf
13-03-2020, 12:00 AM
They would choose to save those with a better chance of survival and the rest would be left to die.

That's the reality of it and the politicians know this but dare not say it out loud.

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hence the reason why we all need to take basic cleanliness after going to the bog etc as something we should be doing BAU, to be honest I struggle to understand why anyone wouldn't do it as a matter of course nowadays,

The 90+2
13-03-2020, 12:00 AM
Being alarmist at this point is as unhelpful as not being careful and prepared.

Saying people shouldn’t even comprehend going to a wedding is just a bit over the top right now.

Did you not read the posters underlying health issues?

I’m not being alarmist at all. I’ve said for weeks what’s coming, I was told to pipe down. There’s no containment for this virus now and it’s only going to get drastically worse.

wookie70
13-03-2020, 12:04 AM
Didn't realise you were an expert, the other expert on tv said washing with warm water and soap for 20 secs was enough to kill the germs.

There has been no soap in the west upper, Dunbar end for the last two games. Gets the basic rights first

superfurryhibby
13-03-2020, 12:08 AM
Armouredgedditon, roight?

Andy74
13-03-2020, 12:08 AM
Did you not read the posters underlying health issues?

I’m not being alarmist at all. I’ve said for weeks what’s coming, I was told to pipe down. There’s no containment for this virus now and it’s only going to get drastically worse.

Suggesting that people with asthma, at this point, can’t attend social occasions. Yes, that is currently pretty alarmist.

Kaff
13-03-2020, 12:15 AM
This could highlight the advantages of owning the HTC and subsequently being able to control what happens there.
Being able to do the necessary cleaning and vetting the movement of personnel is key to running the club, I'm not point scoring against Hearts but those clubs that do share facilities will probably find themselves locked out at some stage.
Motherwell use a public facility in Glasgow I believe, Hearts at HW. Ross County have the Highland Academy they may be able to isolate for themselves and those with plastic pitches should be OK but St J, St M? It could be a major factor in finishing strong if games do go ahead albeit behind closed doors.
Even if season is abandoned then keeping the squad training and relatively isolated could be huge bonus in a sporting sense

The 90+2
13-03-2020, 12:18 AM
Suggesting that people with asthma, at this point, can’t attend social occasions. Yes, that is currently pretty alarmist.

You didn’t see the part that overcoming cancer and chemo no?

davhibby
13-03-2020, 12:19 AM
There has been no soap in the west upper, Dunbar end for the last two games. Gets the basic rights first

This is the big issue that hibs need to have right. Hopefully hibs have got plenty of soap in for Saturday

jacomo
13-03-2020, 12:22 AM
Who said it would be OK? Who needs to see bigger picture? You think just because I decide to treat it differently from you I don't understand it? Me staying at home does nothing. If I choose to go out thats on me, if I catch it I will not risk infecting anyone by isolating myself however until that occurs I will continue as I am.


If you catch it you won’t know you’ve got it for a few days, maybe a week. In the meantime you would risk infecting other people.

This might not change your behaviour but it is the facts as they stand.

The Harp Awakes
13-03-2020, 12:28 AM
It's an emergency come Monday, however, its BAU until then? You are right it doesn't make sense. Cancel all now, or don't cancel any.

Playing to a big crowd on Sunday is fine, after that anything over 500 is deemed unsafe? Can't get head around this

No doubt throughout this crisis folk in power will make bad decisions, but I'm sure they'll be making them based on all information in front of them. We don't have all that information so we can only speculate on what we think is best.

If the OF game was played behind closed doors on Sunday do you think everyone would just sit in their hoose on their own? Nah they'd descend in boozers indoors and get p1shed. Would that be any better in terms of spreading the virus? Doubt it as indoor social events/venues will spread the virus more according to the experts.

Frankhfc
13-03-2020, 12:28 AM
If you catch it you won’t know you’ve got it for a few days, maybe a week. In the meantime you would risk infecting other people.

This might not change your behaviour but it is the facts as they stand.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51858845

This guy's story is interesting. Apologies if already posted somewhere on here.

monktonharp
13-03-2020, 01:07 AM
No doubt throughout this crisis folk in power will make bad decisions, but I'm sure they'll be making them based on all information in front of them. We don't have all that information so we can only speculate on what we think is best.

If the OF game was played behind closed doors on Sunday do you think everyone would just sit in their hoose on their own? Nah they'd descend in boozers indoors and get p1shed. Would that be any better in terms of spreading the virus? Doubt it as indoor social events/venues will spread the virus more according to the experts.I think the idea of closed doors games, shown on tv might be out of the question , as busy pubs, and supporters clubs rammed to the rafters with fans watching in them instead of at an "airy" stadium , would be worse given the close contact with each other, and warm? cant see tv being allowed, if matches are allowed behind closed doors.

monktonharp
13-03-2020, 01:15 AM
No doubt throughout this crisis folk in power will make bad decisions, but I'm sure they'll be making them based on all information in front of them. We don't have all that information so we can only speculate on what we think is best.

If the OF game was played behind closed doors on Sunday do you think everyone would just sit in their hoose on their own? Nah they'd descend in boozers indoors and get p1shed. Would that be any better in terms of spreading the virus? Doubt it as indoor social events/venues will spread the virus more according to the experts. I know that you are not suggesting watch it in the pubs , only highlighting that it is very unlikely that we will be able to watch from afar (TV). more chance of all games being cancelled until the virus has reached it's "peak" as suggested by the medical experts. the Scottish government are going on the basis that large events will tie up crucial medical and essential services etc, which will soon be under severe pressure

Paisley Hibby
13-03-2020, 01:33 AM
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Why is Hibernian even sending out statements on this? Afterall it’s just a flu, right?

Are you for real???

Scouse Hibee
13-03-2020, 06:35 AM
Taken from the Government website on the virus.

10. Hand hygieneThis is essential before and after all patient contact, removal of protective clothing and decontamination of the environment.
Use soap and water to wash hands or an alcohol hand rub if hands are visibly clean.
Rings (other than a plain smooth band), wrist watches and wrist jewellery must not be worn by staff.

Exactly my point no mention of the temperature of the water as you previously implied.

Scouse Hibee
13-03-2020, 06:37 AM
There has been no soap in the west upper, Dunbar end for the last two games. Gets the basic rights first

Three games, I complained and was assured they would try to get it right for the St Johnstone game.

Captain Trips
13-03-2020, 06:39 AM
If you catch it you won’t know you’ve got it for a few days, maybe a week. In the meantime you would risk infecting other people.

This might not change your behaviour but it is the facts as they stand.

Right OK then that is perpetual then as if I feel ok now I might have it so in a weeks time I still feel ok then I know I didnt have it the week before, but I then may have just caught it and so on and so on. So therefore what do you do? Play on the side you have it but its not showing? Sorry a line in the sand has to be drawn if I do not feel the effects of it then I do not have it. Incidentally in that case you may have had it a few days also then. What are you doing differently now? Unless somebody I know or a place i have been has been involved in a case then I am drawing a line in the sand.

huggie1875
13-03-2020, 06:57 AM
no mention of hot water in the toilets to wash your hands though


https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/cold-water-just-as-good-as-hot-for-handwashing/

southern hibby
13-03-2020, 07:03 AM
I'm in the shed, walls lined 3ft thick with toilet roll and Pasta and I'm lying in a bathtub full of hand sanitizer.

I'm not coming out for anyone until Mrs doctor Budge issues a statement to the faithful.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk


Most sensible approach yet 👍

GGTTH

Pretty Boy
13-03-2020, 07:07 AM
Three games, I complained and was assured they would try to get it right for the St Johnstone game.

How difficult can it be? Bulk refill soaps are still readily available. Trust me on that.

AllyT
13-03-2020, 07:33 AM
Looks like I may have it. My friend is now in hospital with it with high fever and pain when breathing. Her daughter came back from Italy 3 weeks ago so she probably caught it from her. I've been coughing for the last week or so after sitting next to her 2 weeks ago at the pub. Seems to be very easy to catch, the good news for me is that so far I've not felt too ill, bad news is that I've been carrying on working so have probably given it to other people.

The number of people infected is much higher than the official figures because they don't test everyone, only for people with severe symptoms.

IWasThere2016
13-03-2020, 07:41 AM
I'm having to take loo rolls to a work colleague as she can't find any in the shops.

Filling yer breeks is not a symptom of CoVid. That's hysteria!

Games will be cancelled soon.

The decision to close schools/Colleges etc is only a week or so away IMHO.

Weegreenman
13-03-2020, 07:53 AM
I think this Government have been caught with their pants down. They’ve run down the NHS for years, with cuts to staffing right across the board.

This is why they’re talking about bell curves and trying to save big action for when the epidemic is at it's peak.
They are terrified the NHS will be over run and the spotlight will be on them.

I don’t agree with this inaction.

Bottom line is, if people are within close proximity, the virus will spread.

It’s not rocket science.

I think people need to self isolate now. I think we should close schools, colleges and Uni’s. We should be cancelling all large events.

I don’t trust Boris.

If say you visit your elderly parents, you could potentially be giving them the virus and putting their lives at risk.

Some people are so blasé, they just don’t get how serious this is until something effects them personally.

This Government is taking different action to almost every other in the world.
If they get it wrong, they should be hung up by the balls.

People should be trying their very best to self isolate now in my opinion.

lyonhibs
13-03-2020, 07:56 AM
Suggesting that people with asthma, at this point, can’t attend social occasions. Yes, that is currently pretty alarmist.

But it's not a static situation where the "current" situation matters is it? We know from other countries what the rate of spread is if self isolation isn't at least increased if not enforced totally.

So we need to act now, not based on the relatively meaningless "current" situation, but because, as long as no vaccine exists, if life continues in a vaguely "as you were" state, we know what's coming and should seek, absolutely, to mitigate/avoid that as much as possible.

My bosses are both Italian, and the stories they are getting from friends back home are horrendous.

greenpaper55
13-03-2020, 08:00 AM
I think this Government have been caught with their pants down. They’ve run down the NHS for years, with cuts to staffing right across the board.

I think this is why they’re talking about bell curves and trying to save big action for when the epidemic is at it's peak.

Bottom line is, if people are within close proximity, the virus will spread.

This Government are taking different action to almost every other in the world.
If they get it wrong, they should be hung up by the balls.

People should be trying their very best to self isolate now in my opinion.

The SNP run our health service here !

JimBHibees
13-03-2020, 08:01 AM
I think this Government have been caught with their pants down. They’ve run down the NHS for years, with cuts to staffing right across the board.

This is why they’re talking about bell curves and trying to save big action for when the epidemic is at it's peak.

I don’t agree with this.

Bottom line is, if people are within close proximity, the virus will spread.

It’s not rocket science.

If say you visit your elderly parents say, you could potentially be giving them the virus and putting their lives at risk.

Some people are so blasé, they just don’t get how serious this is until something effects them personally.



This Government is taking different action to almost every other in the world.
If they get it wrong, they should be hung up by the balls.

People should be trying their very best to self isolate now in my opinion.

When you say government you are talking about Westminster

J-C
13-03-2020, 08:13 AM
It seems to be missing reference to the temperature of the water.


Exactly my point no mention of the temperature of the water as you previously implied.


Not a clue to the guys name on tv but he was representing the government, he was on GMB. He stated warm water and soap for 20 secs, the web site suggests soap and water, I would assume they expected you to use warm/hotter water to do this as generally that the normal way to wash your hands.

Speedy
13-03-2020, 08:17 AM
Mental that the games are going ahead this weekend given the advice from Monday.

flash
13-03-2020, 08:18 AM
A few posters not exactly covering themselves in glory on this thread.

Weegreenman
13-03-2020, 08:33 AM
When you say government you are talking about Westminster

The Scottish Government having been in a Cobra meeting yesterday is acting on advice from Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Advisor.

Credit to Nicola Sturgeon for going further than Boris but it’s still not enough and it’s ridiculous that gatherings of more than 500 isn’t ok after Monday but it’s ok over this weekend.

People will be infected by those decisions, make no bones about it. People will probably die.

Why can’t they just say no gatherings from now?

Weegreenman
13-03-2020, 08:38 AM
The SNP run our health service here !

Ye I know this but they do take advice from the British Governments Chief scientific advisor.

Scouse Hibee
13-03-2020, 08:47 AM
Not a clue to the guys name on tv but he was representing the government, he was on GMB. He stated warm water and soap for 20 secs, the web site suggests soap and water, I would assume they expected you to use warm/hotter water to do this as generally that the normal way to wash your hands.
👍

banchoryhibs
13-03-2020, 09:00 AM
The Scottish Government having been in a Cobra meeting yesterday is acting on advice from Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Advisor.

Credit to Nicola Sturgeon for going further than Boris but it’s still not enough and it’s ridiculous that gatherings of more than 500 isn’t ok after Monday but it’s ok over this weekend.

People will be infected by those decisions, make no bones about it. People will probably die.

Why can’t they just say no gatherings from now?

To be fair there has to be a balance between ignoring the issue and having a huge knee jerk reaction. There will be sound medical advice that says Monday is ok to introduce the 500+ people ban but anyone who has any doubt could make the personal decision to stay at home.

But the ban is not being made to prevent the virus spreading, it's to free up emergency service resource that may be needed elsewhere due to additional demand or to cover for those responders who may be self isolating. So to say that people will probably die because of this decision is not really right.

Spike Mandela
13-03-2020, 09:03 AM
The Scottish Government having been in a Cobra meeting yesterday is acting on advice from Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Advisor.

Credit to Nicola Sturgeon for going further than Boris but it’s still not enough and it’s ridiculous that gatherings of more than 500 isn’t ok after Monday but it’s ok over this weekend.

People will be infected by those decisions, make no bones about it. People will probably die.

Why can’t they just say no gatherings from now?

My understanding is that the decision is being taken to alleviate the pressures on police and other emergency services that will be better employed elsewhere rather than covering big crowd events

The arrangements are already in place for this weekend but this decision will help the emergency services going forward.

Beefster
13-03-2020, 09:11 AM
The Scottish Government having been in a Cobra meeting yesterday is acting on advice from Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Advisor.

Credit to Nicola Sturgeon for going further than Boris but it’s still not enough and it’s ridiculous that gatherings of more than 500 isn’t ok after Monday but it’s ok over this weekend.

People will be infected by those decisions, make no bones about it. People will probably die.

Why can’t they just say no gatherings from now?

I think the view is that people are going to be infected / die anyway. The decisions are mainly to slow transmission down so that the infrastructure can cope with it.


Ye I know this but they do take advice from the British Governments Chief scientific advisor.

And the Chief Medical Officer for Scotland.

https://www.gov.scot/about/how-government-is-run/directorates/chief-medical-officer/catherine-calderwood/

HibbyDave
13-03-2020, 09:32 AM
Sobering thought from Jeremy Hunt the former health minister on TV. If only 5% of the UK population get coronavirus,


and only 5% of those people need intensive care............ that's 160,000 beds needed.









We currently have 4000 intensive care beds across the UK.

Phil MaGlass
13-03-2020, 11:20 AM
It will end up like china, makeshift hospitals built on car parks, should be doing that already, just in case.

Captain Trips
13-03-2020, 11:21 AM
Sobering thought from Jeremy Hunt the former health minister on TV. If only 5% of the UK population get coronavirus,


and only 5% of those people need intensive care............ that's 160,000 beds needed.









We currently have 4000 intensive care beds across the UK.


What % of the population of China got it?

flash
13-03-2020, 11:23 AM
What % of the population of China got it?

7.3

CyberSauzee
13-03-2020, 11:30 AM
What % of the population of China got it?

0.00005737485

For population - https://countrymeters.info/en/China

for virus - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

Moulin Yarns
13-03-2020, 11:33 AM
What % of the population of China got it?


7.3

in numbers


80,814 cases in total
3,177 deaths
64,141 recoveries

13,486 current cases
4,020 serious or critical

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

I doubt that all 160,000 would be hospitalised at the same time.

The graphs are interesting.

Captain Trips
13-03-2020, 11:37 AM
0.00005737485

For population - https://countrymeters.info/en/China

for virus - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

Says currently about 85k infected even double that about the size of a smallish city, of course China has a massive population spread out over a vast area. Its not that isolated roughly about 500-600 miles to Shanghai. I just wonder why we are giving out 5% figures comes from? Wuhan has a population of 11m roughly. 80,000 cases is not even 5% of that one city.

Hibbyradge
13-03-2020, 11:38 AM
in numbers


80,814 cases in total
3,177 deaths
64,141 recoveries

13,486 current cases
4,020 serious or critical

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

I doubt that all 160,000 would be hospitalised at the same time.

The graphs are interesting.

How many new hospitals did they build in record time? I thought I read that it was three. There was at least one.

That's not going to happen here

DH1875
13-03-2020, 11:43 AM
How many new hospitals did they build in record time? I thought I read that it was three. There was at least one.

That's not going to happen here

Was just about to ask the same. They defo had some built in a matter of days.

AllyRae
13-03-2020, 11:45 AM
All games off in UK, At least it will save me losing £20 on my coupon I guess!!!

Oscar T Grouch
13-03-2020, 11:45 AM
https://spfl.co.uk/news/coronavirus-joint-response-group-update-46618

Alex Trager
13-03-2020, 11:45 AM
All scottish games are off until further notice

Moulin Yarns
13-03-2020, 11:54 AM
How many new hospitals did they build in record time? I thought I read that it was three. There was at least one.

That's not going to happen here

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/mar/10/wuhan-closes-last-makeshift-coronavirus-hospital-video

16 in Wuhan alone, built in 10 days. Now no longer needed

Hibbyradge
13-03-2020, 11:54 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/mar/10/wuhan-closes-last-makeshift-coronavirus-hospital-video

16 in Wuhan alone, built in 10 days. Now no longer needed

That's incredible.

Captain Trips
13-03-2020, 12:00 PM
That's incredible.

Maybe hearts should have asked them to help with their stand :greengrin

Lago
13-03-2020, 12:13 PM
How many new hospitals did they build in record time? I thought I read that it was three. There was at least one.

That's not going to happen here
It's taken years to build a children's hospital that's not fit for purpose.

tamig
13-03-2020, 04:25 PM
That's incredible.

Its incredible but I suspect the working conditions and demands placed on the workers would not be tolerated here. And lets say we did magic up 10 new hospitals. Who would be staffing them?

SingaporeHibs
13-03-2020, 05:09 PM
in numbers


80,814 cases in total
3,177 deaths
64,141 recoveries

13,486 current cases
4,020 serious or critical

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

I doubt that all 160,000 would be hospitalised at the same time.

The graphs are interesting.
Like the Jambos the Chinese Govt are well known for making numbers up to suit themselves. There is zero chance the figures from China are anywhere near accurate. For over a month I’ve been saying we’ll only know the true stats on this virus once it hits the western world but having watched the political leaders on TV I’m now thinking we’re no closer to understanding the true data yet.

jacomo
13-03-2020, 05:34 PM
Like the Jambos the Chinese Govt are well known for making numbers up to suit themselves. There is zero chance the figures from China are anywhere near accurate. For over a month I’ve been saying we’ll only know the true stats on this virus once it hits the western world but having watched the political leaders on TV I’m now thinking we’re no closer to understanding the true data yet.


USA is barely testing anyone and the president is a lying toad trying to keep the numbers down for political reasons.

Numbers may also be far higher than reported in the uk because our own testing regime is hardly watertight.

Criticise China if you want but several western countries are being shown up as well.

BILLYHIBS
17-03-2020, 08:15 AM
Chinese Super League restarting 15/4/2020

Players arriving in the country to restart training

Source: DM

Gloucester Hibs
17-03-2020, 08:19 AM
Chinese Super League restarting 15/4/2020

Players arriving in the country to restart training

Source: DM

Announcement to postpone was the end of January so effectively a 2 1/2 month shutdown? 🤔

BILLYHIBS
17-03-2020, 08:25 AM
Announcement to postpone was the end of January so effectively a 2 1/2 month shutdown? 🤔

:agree:

Due to start 22/2/2020 and now 18/4/2020

Some positive news anyways

Source: DM

Billy Whizz
17-03-2020, 08:29 AM
:agree:

Due to start 22/2/2020 and now 18/4/2020

Some positive news anyways

Source: DM

So have China got it under control now?

DH1875
17-03-2020, 08:33 AM
So have China got it under control now?

Was on the BBC news yesterday that China are/where sending planes to other countries to take Chinese people back to China as it's safer there for them.

BILLYHIBS
17-03-2020, 08:37 AM
So have China got it under control now?

The virus started there ( allegedly) so logical to presume it has moved on until it returns of course

https://mol.im/a/8117613

IberianHibernian
17-03-2020, 10:39 PM
The Chinese club from the city where problem is supposed to have started travelled to Sotogrande in southern Spain in January to train with their new manager , Spaniard Jose González , who never even visited the city of his new club because of virus crisis . They ended up staying in Sotogrande for about 10 weeks during which they found it extremely hard to find teams willing to play them in friendlies . Now back in China to avoid problems in Europe . Incidentally they were only a few days from coinciding with Hibs who very possibly trained in same place as I think our friendly was played near Sotogrande .

Greenbeard
18-03-2020, 09:13 AM
USA is barely testing anyone and the president is a lying toad trying to keep the numbers down for political reasons.

Numbers may also be far higher than reported in the uk because our own testing regime is hardly watertight.

Criticise China if you want but several western countries are being shown up as well.
That is harsh. The toad appreciation society will be onto you.
Trump will be running scared about the election in November given that everyone is being told to bide in.

Onceinawhile
18-03-2020, 09:24 AM
The Chinese club from the city where problem is supposed to have started travelled to Sotogrande in southern Spain in January to train with their new manager , Spaniard Jose González , who never even visited the city of his new club because of virus crisis . They ended up staying in Sotogrande for about 10 weeks during which they found it extremely hard to find teams willing to play them in friendlies . Now back in China to avoid problems in Europe . Incidentally they were only a few days from coinciding with Hibs who very possibly trained in same place as I think our friendly was played near Sotogrande .

There's a good NY Times article about them :agree:

mvteng
18-03-2020, 10:37 AM
So have China got it under control now?

Yes - good news from my colleagues in China this morning. They are in Wenzhou which is relatively close to Wuhan, with many workers from Wuhan region.

The factory has now partially re-opened.Every staff member checked and they expect back to full production within 14 days.

Other good news is that the factory had many positive results but no deaths and those workers back to normal health

B.H.F.C
18-03-2020, 10:40 AM
Yes - good news from my colleagues in China this morning. They are in Wenzhou which is relatively close to Wuhan, with many workers from Wuhan region.

The factory has now partially re-opened.Every staff member checked and they expect back to full production within 14 days.

Other good news is that the factory had many positive results but no deaths and those workers back to normal health

Good to read some positive stuff. I hope the media start picking up and reporting on this type of stuff. People need to see that it can be got past.

Hibbyradge
18-03-2020, 10:45 AM
Good to read some positive stuff. I hope the media start picking up and reporting on this type of stuff. People need to see that it can be got past.

I know where you're coming from, and people do need reassuring, but I worry that the more cavalier amongst us would take it as the signal to stop taking precautions against the virus.

Having said that, here's another hopeful development;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china

B.H.F.C
18-03-2020, 10:51 AM
I know where you're coming from, and people do need reassuring, but I worry that the more cavalier amongst us would take it as the signal to stop taking precautions against the virus.

Having said that, here's another hopeful development;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china

You’d like to think the majority of people would realise they’ve only got to that point by continuing to do what they were told.

I suppose the real test is when China does start to return to normal. Do the levels stay low/reduced or are things back to square one?