Season ticket prices

[Brightside]

Abject mediocrity?

Don’t bother then.

[tamig]

Oh, and the equivalent ticket in the "upper bit" of the main stand at Tynecastle?


£500


But, aye - Hibs are taking us all for a ride :rolleyes:
Straight into Ron’s pocket don’t you know.

[TheGreenMan]

Wonder how many folk complaining about a maximum £5 a month increase pay sky TV £100 a month to watch Man United and the likes. There are options in the stadium to move to keep the price the same if the price is an issue and even reduce it if you want to

[Sir David Gray]

Wonder how many folk complaining about a maximum £5 a month increase pay sky TV £100 a month to watch Man United and the likes. There are options in the stadium to move to keep the price the same if the price is an issue and even reduce it if you want to

Not for everyone, there's not.

[tamig]

I totally understand why they would take action if the PA was attending without the disabled person.

I don't understand why they would be threatening the disabled person with confiscating their season ticket if they attend without a PA. The disabled person pays the same price regardless of whether they attend with a PA or not so they're not gaining anything by doing it and Hibs aren't losing out.
I take it you’re no stranger to Ann Brown? Have you been in touch with her yet about your concerns?

[HibeeHibernian4]

Abject mediocrity?

Is this abject mediocrity or about par for course in a Hibs season?

[Sir David Gray]

I take it you’re no stranger to Ann Brown? Have you been in touch with her yet about your concerns?

Not yet, I only saw the information this evening when I came in from work.

I'm not too sure what it would achieve to be honest.

[tamig]

Not yet, I only saw the information this evening when I came in from work.

I'm not too sure what it would achieve to be honest.

I think a poster further up the page summarised what its intending to prevent. Two folk in cahoots to get a free ST for one of them. As others have said, there are probably a few cases where this is exactly what has happened in previous years. I suspect its a warning from the club that they won’t entertain that. I’m sure Ann would clarify though.

[Sir David Gray]

I think a poster further up the page summarised what its intending to prevent. Two folk in cahoots to get a free ST for one of them. As others have said, there are probably a few cases where this is exactly what has happened in previous years. I suspect its a warning from the club that they won’t entertain that. I’m sure Ann would clarify though.

My main concern is the dramatic price rise in my season ticket for next season.

[PaulSmith]

Fans will decide what is best for them. Club should be doing better with the money it already has. Throwing more money at this problem isnt going to fix it. We are behind Motherwell and Livingston this season. How many ST holders do they have? How much are their ST holders charged?

Think Livingston and Motherwell might be better at simple maths as they seem to get better quality for their money. I mean Livi got Efe abd Motherwell have assembled a good squad.

Club will need to show intent this season with these changes. Handing out more retirement contracts and padding tiny squad with loans will not appeal to fans. that's even simpler than the maths involved.

Summed up by why bring more money in when clearly you haven't spent it well for 3 summer transfer windows in a row?

So Hibs should’ve just kept ST prices the same and just made a statement that “we’ll do better with less money and see those stadium improvements we’ll just take that from Jack Ross’s budget and ask him to get the players performing at a higher level”

I’m sure the club are acutely aware of the failings of the recruitment and they will be active in that area.

Like it or not players that Hibs want will expect a higher wage than if Livi wanted them so it’s not that simple.

[PaulSmith]

My main concern is the dramatic price rise in my season ticket for next season.

As I said on the PM board split it between you and your PA, at an extra 50p per week I’m sure that it’s manageable?

[Sir David Gray]

As I said on the PM board split it between you and your PA, at an extra 50p per week I’m sure that it’s manageable?

It's hardly the point as I've explained several times now.

An increase of 24.5% is enormous particularly when you're only being told about it a few weeks prior to the season tickets going on sale, which I imagine will be some time next month.

[Sharon]

My main concern is the dramatic price rise in my season ticket for next season.

I totally agree and there was no explanation given for this in the email that was sent out.

[Steve-O]

I'm neither a member of the Singing Section, nor advocating some supporters are better than others.

I am saying that I support the idea of a specific section for the more raucous element of our support, and an area that is more prominent within the stadium for displaying this.

It is a model that works, clubs the length and breadth of Europe are the proof of this, and I believe that a raucous, colourful, atmospheric area will help improve the club, the atmosphere, and appeal to younger (new) supporters too.

It's a win, win situation for the club and the support, and one that could be a catalyst for further income and improved performances.

Once again though stubbornness reigns in the Easter Road boardroom, and we've let another opportunity to address this issue pass us by.

The fact that there hasn't even been a compromise on the matter is particularly galling, and it reeks of a board once again paying lip service to fans, yet doing precisely nothing about it.

I genuinely thought Ron Gordon would have been all over this idea, instead we'll continue with an empty lower FF stand and the persistent lack of atmosphere that accompanies it.

Not just in Europe but also in Australia and USA - active support behind the goal, not hidden in an upper tier, off camera.

Silly decision IMO.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Was the singing section moving brought up at the agm?

[Steve-O]

I believe you, but that's truly remarkable.

I can guarantee that you're in a tiny minority of people who don't care about what Hibs do on the pitch.

In fact, you may be unique, although no doubt someone will be along to support your view in a minute.

You are discounting the fact that the youth of today have MANY more activities to do than you or I did. The point being that more is required now to attract young people to football matches. What you are suggesting sounds a bit complacent in this day and age.

I see it over here all the time. Football is not the number one sport over here but a point of difference that a football match can offer, in comparison to rugby or cricket (which are more popular here), is atmosphere. Atmosphere is created here by mostly “active” fan zones - i.e. a singing section. Their presence is something that genuinely is an attraction for those who are not necessarily traditional football fans.

[eastterrace]

Was the singing section moving brought up at the agm?yes someone asked the question but didn’t really get a straight answer .

[madhatter]

Don’t bother then.

Dont bother with what?

[Oscar T Grouch]

So I never got an email about this. You’d assume it was sent to all current STHs.

[madhatter]

So Hibs should’ve just kept ST prices the same and just made a statement that “we’ll do better with less money and see those stadium improvements we’ll just take that from Jack Ross’s budget and ask him to get the players performing at a higher level”

I’m sure the club are acutely aware of the failings of the recruitment and they will be active in that area.

Like it or not players that Hibs want will expect a higher wage than if Livi wanted them so it’s not that simple.

They promoted a member of the failing recruitment team...I dont know the full details but I do know 3 summer transfer windows have been terrible and beyond Doidge and Mallan I cannot think of other players worth keeping from them (at this stage).

It is quite simple - without an increase of funds Hibs should routinely be doing better than clubs with less ST holders, half our league have a 1/3 or even closer to a 1/4 of our ST numbers. The question needs posed why Motherwell have managed to acquire seemingly better quality players and promote better quality youth - all with less money.

If club get this summer wrong after increasing ST prices then our ST numbers will plummet down the drain. That isnt being pessimistic, all you need to do is listen to fans in the stands and in general chat. You dont need everyone to leave, if you have 3-4k stop renewing then the impact will be huge.

Our fan numbers is a delicate balancing act, winning the cup increased interest but that's in the past now and without players like McGinn on the park people will begin to leave. If we get 13k ST holders for next season with this price increase I'll be pleasantly surprised. Club needed to show intent before asking fans for more money - big screen doesn't show sporting ambition.

[Juniper Greens]

Then I stand by my comment that it's a disgrace, especially when wheelchair users don't have a choice in where they sit.

I'm assuming the wheelchair areas are in the silver designated areas?

[BILLYHIBS]

If you choose gold £440 West Upper x2 do you get hot water and chips?

[Keith_M]

If the board wastes a single penny of that price increase on the player budget I’ll be raging. Free flags and vuvuzelas is the way to go.


You're gonna blow a Zulu's what?

You can get arrested for that, you know.

:tsk tsk:

[Chorley Hibee]

I'm assuming the wheelchair areas are in the silver designated areas?

Wheelchair users don't have a choice in where they sit, so they shouldn't be having a higher price forced upon them.

[Hibs90]

Wheelchair users don't have a choice in where they sit, so they shouldn't be having a higher price forced upon them.

Agreed

[Steven79]

Wheelchair users don't have a choice in where they sit, so they shouldn't be having a higher price forced upon them.If they are in silver (And I'm sure that they are) then the price remains the same.

In general far too many seats have been classed as "gold"

Are they really saying that a seat in the middle of the east at the back is worth the same as a seat at the front of the east where you have a much worse view and get soaked whenever it rains?

Bonkers decision...

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[Chorley Hibee]

If they are in silver (And I'm sure that they are) then the price remains the same.

In general far too many seats have been classed as "gold"

Are they really saying that a seat in the middle of the east at the back is worth the same as a seat at the front of the east where you have a much worse view and get soaked whenever it rains?

Bonkers decision...

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There are seats outwith silver that are being offered to able bodied people for less.

I am saying that wheelchair users shouldn't be paying more due to the fact they are in a wheelchair.

My example earlier:

A ten year old wheelchair user is being charged £85 (it's the only option available to them), yet an able bodied ten year old can buy a ticket for as little as £50 due to the choice offered to them.

It's not right, and I struggle to see how people can think otherwise.

[Tarrahib]

So I never got an email about this. You’d assume it was sent to all current STHs.
What E mail?

[Danderhall Hibs]

I wonder how they’ll manage the logistics? Folk that don’t want to or can’t pay for gold might not renew - will they be able to ask for a seat swap right away? Or do they not renew and see what’s available at non-early bird prices in June/July?

[Danderhall Hibs]

What E mail?

It’s only disabled ST holders that’ve had the email/details so far.

[Last Minute]

People aren’t unemployed or on low incomes by choice.


some are. just need to get off your backside

[blackpoolhibs]

Of course it does, Andy.

If Hibs concede early on Saturday, the atmosphere will be poisonous. If we're not knocking the door down to get an equaliser, no amount of drum banging and flag waving will improve it.

However, if Hibs go after St Johnstone from the off and we're creating chances and having shots, the atmosphere will be great. The East Stand will start their own chants and the West will join in, screaming encouragement.

Of course, if Hibs are doing well, the folk in FF upper will be louder and more excited, and if Hibs go on to win, there will be posts on here congratulating them.

I'm not suggesting this, but you could disband the singing section altogether and if Hibs were playing well and pushing for goals, the atmosphere would take care of itself.

I think you are wrong Dave, i think having the crowd singing and flag waving as you say, and getting right behind the team should we go a goal behind would help the team.

But having them situated where they are wont help one bit if your scenario comes about, as no bugger can hear them up there.

Having them in the middle of the FF bottom would in my opinion help the club/team, i like you have witnessed this years ago when we had the cave.

I know there are problems getting them in that spot, as folk have season tickets there, but a solution could be found if the club and the people involved spoke, although as you say, a better team would enhance the atmosphere, surely both would help it too?

[Steven79]

I wonder how they’ll manage the logistics? Folk that don’t want to or can’t pay for gold might not renew - will they be able to ask for a seat swap right away? Or do they not renew and see what’s available at non-early bird prices in June/July?

And if they wait till after the early bird they will only be saving £15 over "cheaper" gold price for a seat in silver so may not bother at all...

[BILLYHIBS]

I think you are wrong Dave, i think having the crowd singing and flag waving as you say, and getting right behind the team should we go a goal behind would help the team.

But having them situated where they are wont help one bit if your scenario comes about, as no bugger can hear them up there.

Having them in the middle of the FF bottom would in my opinion help the club/team, i like you have witnessed this years ago when we had the cave.

I know there are problems getting them in that spot, as folk have season tickets there, but a solution could be found if the club and the people involved spoke, although as you say, a better team would enhance the atmosphere, surely both would help it too?

The Cave definitely helped especially going downhill second half

It was like a full rammed Cave was trying to suck the ball into the net definitely a secret weapon so much so that opposition fans often tried to take it over 😁

[green with envy]

some are. just need to get off your backside

This is what i'd expect to hear from a right tory ****:confused:

[green day]

There are seats outwith silver that are being offered to able bodied people for less.

I am saying that wheelchair users shouldn't be paying more due to the fact they are in a wheelchair.

My example earlier:

A ten year old wheelchair user is being charged £85 (it's the only option available to them), yet an able bodied ten year old can buy a ticket for as little as £50 due to the choice offered to them.

It's not right, and I struggle to see how people can think otherwise.

You said last night - when I said it looks a clear error (hence Hibs pulling the website) - that you would hold off commenting any more...................

[Scouse Hibee]

I think I’ll wait until the official release both on the website and via email to me as there seems to be plenty of uncertainty regarding something that was pulled pretty quickly.

[Steven79]

I think I’ll wait until the official release both on the website and via email to me as there seems to be plenty of uncertainty regarding something that was pulled pretty quickly.It was pulled as they didn't want anybody to see it till they released it officially.

They now have a chance to fix the "errors" and claim that it was just a work in progress.

The lower tier of the west shouldn't be classed as gold and it needs to change.

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[Scouse Hibee]

some are. just need to get off your backside

Plenty of people employed on low incomes who could probably sit on their backsides and take the handouts but don’t.

[Scouse Hibee]

It was pulled as they didn't want anybody to see it till they released it officially.

They now have a chance to fix the "errors" and claim that it was just a work in progress.

The lower tier of the west shouldn't be classed as gold and it needs to change.

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Is that a fact or speculation?

[Danderhall Hibs]

It was pulled as they didn't want anybody to see it till they released it officially.

They now have a chance to fix the "errors" and claim that it was just a work in progress.

The lower tier of the west shouldn't be classed as gold and it needs to change.

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Centre of the lower tier should definitely be gold. I thought they hadn’t moved to silver quickly enough but the middle of the main are prime seats - 100% they should be gold.

[Hibbyradge]

It was pulled as they didn't want anybody to see it till they released it officially.

They now have a chance to fix the "errors" and claim that it was just a work in progress.

The lower tier of the west shouldn't be classed as gold and it needs to change.

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Oh so cynical for one so young. :hilarious

Regarding the East Stand prices, am I right in thinking that the entire stand is currently the same price?

[Steven79]

Is that a fact or speculation?

Speculation but it clearly wasn't read to go "live" last night.

[Steven79]

Centre of the lower tier should definitely be gold. I thought they hadn’t moved to silver quickly enough but the middle of the main are prime seats - 100% they should be gold.

If you are sitting bang on the half way line in the first row of either the West or East you are not getting the same view or comforts as somebody sitting at the very back of the East.

[Steven79]

Oh so cynical for one so young. :hilarious

Regarding the East Stand prices, am I right in thinking that the entire stand is currently the same price?

Young? I bloody wish!

No the ends are classed as Bronze or Silver but 39 & 43 should also be classed as Silver in my view.

23069

[BlackSheep]

Speculation but it clearly wasn't read to go "live" last night.

It didn't go live... just some clever folk managed to get past the 'coming soon' landing page.. quite easily i might add.

[Up The Bracket]

Wouldn’t mind an increase if the product on the park was improving, however it’s getting worse and it’s really not enjoyable going.

A price increase when we’ve got exponentially worse the past 2 seasons, I’m afraid as a season ticket holder since 2004/05 and someone who goes to around 75% of away games, I just can’t justify that.

Will just pick and choose the home games I go to from now on.

[Steven79]

It didn't go live... just some clever folk managed to get past the 'coming soon' landing page.. quite easily i might add.

It was fairly easy to do and pretty amateurish on their part as I managed to view the while site within seconds.

And technically it was "live" as the whole site was available online despite them not officially announcing it.

You don't need to upload the whole website before it goes "live" why they done it this way I've no idea.

[hibbyfraelibby]

If you choose gold £440 West Upper x2 do you get hot water and chips?

So 20th century... sanitiser and french fries if you please

[Oscar T Grouch]

It’s only disabled ST holders that’ve had the email/details so far.

:aok:Thanks

[BlackSheep]

It was fairly easy to do and pretty amateurish on their part as I managed to view the while site within seconds.

And technically it was "live" as the whole site was available online despite them not officially announcing it.

You don't need to upload the whole website before it goes "live" why they done it this way I've no idea.

A lot of web designers will upload the whole site hidden behind a landing page so they can test it in a 'live' environment, yes i said 'live' but i put it in inverted commas as it wasn't live as in open to public consumption.

[Juniper Greens]

There are seats outwith silver that are being offered to able bodied people for less.

I am saying that wheelchair users shouldn't be paying more due to the fact they are in a wheelchair.

My example earlier:

A ten year old wheelchair user is being charged £85 (it's the only option available to them), yet an able bodied ten year old can buy a ticket for as little as £50 due to the choice offered to them.

It's not right, and I struggle to see how people can think otherwise.

Without wanting to start an argument, I don't think this is strictly true. Pardon my ignorance if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that the £50 child ticket is only available when purchased with a full paying adult? A disabled child would be entitled to a free carer ticket, so it would be £85 for a father and son (or mother and daughter or similar combination) Vs over £400 in the FFL

If I'm wrong, I apologise, but I do think at times we are beating up the club for the wrong reasons

[Hibbyradge]

Young? I bloody wish!

No the ends are classed as Bronze or Silver but 39 & 43 should also be classed as Silver in my view.

23069

It's just an expression. I've no idea of your age. :greengrin

That's next season's pricing. Wasn't the entire East Stand priced the same this current season?

[Steven79]

It's just an expression. I've no idea of your age. :greengrin

That's next season's pricing. Wasn't the entire East Stand priced the same this current season?

42 in a few months :wink:

Yeah the East Stand was all priced the same this season.

[Hibbyradge]

42 in a few months :wink:

Yeah the East Stand was all priced the same this season.

I thought that. So, people have been happy with the view at the front compared to the other areas in the East which have spare seats.

However, in theory, they could have simply increased the price for everyone and no-one would be saying that the seats at the front should be cheaper.

I think this is Hibs' first attempt at changing the pricing structure. They probably won't get it 100% right but let's see what happens.

[Brightside]

Centre of the lower tier should definitely be gold. I thought they hadn’t moved to silver quickly enough but the middle of the main are prime seats - 100% they should be gold.

Lower tier of west are the best seats in the house. No idea why they wouldn’t be gold.

[Steven79]

Lower tier of west are the best seats in the house. No idea why they wouldn’t be gold.Why do you think that?

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[mcfly]

Lower tier of west are the best seats in the house. No idea why they wouldn’t be gold.

Doesn’t matter where you sit we all see the same rubbish on the pitch.

We either pay more as fans to hopefully sign better players or we don’t and hope we get lucky in the transfer window.

I hope the club gets this right

[Hibernian Verse]

some are. just need to get off your backside

Having met Kojock in the famous Athens Sports Bar, I don't think he is defending himself here.

[Ardenttwo]

Im surprised that Sections 39 and 43 in the East are Gold sections....


What actually to you get extra by buying gold and is it just for certain sections of the stadium

[CMurdoch]

Without wanting to start an argument, I don't think this is strictly true. Pardon my ignorance if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that the £50 child ticket is only available when purchased with a full paying adult? A disabled child would be entitled to a free carer ticket, so it would be £85 for a father and son (or mother and daughter or similar combination) Vs over £400 in the FFL

If I'm wrong, I apologise, but I do think at times we are beating up the club for the wrong reasons

:top marksThat explanation totally debunks that issue.

[Carheenlea]

Interesting to compare with the brochure promoting Season Tickets six years ago with “Terry Butchers Green and White Army” in 2014 Had a cold sweat after unearthing it in bookshelf at weekend.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9b1ZpqY/2-B1913-F7-84-F1-4-E86-AAEC-D2-B5965-F0490.jpg (https://postimg.cc/2bLbBNWS)

[Hibernian Verse]

Interesting to compare with the brochure promoting Season Tickets six years ago with “Terry Butchers Green and White Army” in 2014 Had a cold sweat after unearthing it in bookshelf at weekend.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9b1ZpqY/2-B1913-F7-84-F1-4-E86-AAEC-D2-B5965-F0490.jpg (https://postimg.cc/2bLbBNWS)

So 6 years ago the season ticket was £380. Yet here we are in 2020 and people are moaning about it going up to £420? I think we've been lucky they've kept them level for so long. Well done Hibs.

[hibee-boys]

do you have kids?

Yeah, 2 girls aged 10 and 12....next question?

[Chorley Hibee]

Without wanting to start an argument, I don't think this is strictly true. Pardon my ignorance if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that the £50 child ticket is only available when purchased with a full paying adult? A disabled child would be entitled to a free carer ticket, so it would be £85 for a father and son (or mother and daughter or similar combination) Vs over £400 in the FFL

If I'm wrong, I apologise, but I do think at times we are beating up the club for the wrong reasons

No apologies required, you might be right, and I hope you are.

There is nothing in the literature (so far) that states you need to be accompanied by an adult though.

[danhibees1875]

So 6 years ago the season ticket was £380. Yet here we are in 2020 and people are moaning about it going up to £420? I think we've been lucky they've kept them level for so long. Well done Hibs.

Prices have been relatively static for a while and that's commendable. Over that period of time it's not a huge increase its just unfortunate the bulk of it comes this summer and announced when feelings are a bit low.

[TheGreenMan]

Not for everyone, there's not.

Do you pay £100 or there abouts for Sky TV every month? Or buy £3 coffees every other day? Or spend £x on alcohol at weekends or on a match day? Or whatever else arent necesarry costs of living but you choose to do so...

If so then guess what, sometimes we need to make tough choices about what we spend our money on. I'd love to be able to afford to have everything and more but I cant. So I pick and choose what I spend my money on based on what matters most. There are options to move to keep the same price or reduce it - yes, not enough for every current Gold to move to Silver and Bronze but not everyone wont want to move from their current gold as you imply. If you wanted to move to keep the price the same if you were really that unhappy about a £2 a game increase - which is your call and your right to - and you were then blocked from doing so as all of the Silver and Bronze are sold out, i'd be shocked.

I just think people sometimes want everything these days, we never had any increases in prices for 2 or 3 years either as the club felt it had its hands tied with being in the Championshp. Well, now Ron has a plan, fans wanted ambition and it comes from everyone including supporters. Lets get behind it and see where it takes us. If you're really forced (and all silver and bronze are sold out) to take an increase that you cant manage or aren't willing to sacrifice something else unnecessary you pay for to manage it then that's your choice to not get a season ticket.

[Heedersnvolleys]

Do you pay £100 or there abouts for Sky TV every month? Or buy £3 coffees every other day? Or spend £x on alcohol at weekends or on a match day? Or whatever else arent necesarry costs of living but you choose to do so...

If so then guess what, sometimes we need to make tough choices about what we spend our money on. I'd love to be able to afford to have everything and more but I cant. So I pick and choose what I spend my money on based on what matters most. There are options to move to keep the same price or reduce it - yes, not enough for every current Gold to move to Silver and Bronze but not everyone wont want to move from their current gold as you imply. If you wanted to move to keep the price the same if you were really that unhappy about a £2 a game increase - which is your call and your right to - and you were then blocked from doing so as all of the Silver and Bronze are sold out, i'd be shocked.

I just think people sometimes want everything these days, we never had any increases in prices for 2 or 3 years either as the club felt it had its hands tied with being in the Championshp. Well, now Ron has a plan, fans wanted ambition and it comes from everyone including supporters. Lets get behind it and see where it takes us. If you're really forced (and all silver and bronze are sold out) to take an increase that you cant manage or aren't willing to sacrifice something else unnecessary you pay for to manage it then that's your choice to not get a season ticket.

From what I have seen he has not set out a plan, he has given us his aspirations. A big difference. I am not knocking him as was speaking to him behind the goals last week and seemed a genuine guy.

[snedzuk]

What actually to you get extra by buying gold and is it just for certain sections of the stadium

I suppose a blow jobs out of the question.

[Sudds_1]

I suppose a blow jobs out of the question.

Are you offering? 😄

[green day]

So 6 years ago the season ticket was £380. Yet here we are in 2020 and people are moaning about it going up to £420? I think we've been lucky they've kept them level for so long. Well done Hibs.

Think that is the season my dad and I moved in the West Upper and it looks like it was £380 on early bird.

Next season (I am silver) it will be £385, but if 6 years on it was £420 I could hardly complain.

I understand those with a disability will be annoyed at bringing prices toward parity, but for other fans there is literally nothing to moan about.

Yet some still love to figuratively boot the club in the baws - you do sometimes wonder if these people actually have Hibs best interests at heart :wink:

[Speedy]

Young? I bloody wish!

No the ends are classed as Bronze or Silver but 39 & 43 should also be classed as Silver in my view.

23069

Agree. 3 & 7 in the lower west as well.

I'd also have Bronze £20 cheaper, Silver £5-£10 dearer.

I'm in 23 and feel like I've done very well out of this. Will actually be cheaper for me because I wasn't an early bird last year.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Can't see much to be angry about to be fair, looks quite reasonable increases to me.

[HibeeHibernian4]

So 6 years ago the season ticket was £380. Yet here we are in 2020 and people are moaning about it going up to £420? I think we've been lucky they've kept them level for so long. Well done Hibs.

It’s our ****ing club and they’d die without our support in what sense are we “lucky” that it’s only gone up by £40 in six years?

[bigwheel]

So 6 years ago the season ticket was £380. Yet here we are in 2020 and people are moaning about it going up to £420? I think we've been lucky they've kept them level for so long. Well done Hibs.

We are almost always at the top end of average season ticket prices ..so I can understand people’s frustration at a material increase tbh

[davym7062]

Because not all disabled supporters are physically disabled or able to work and therefore can't afford the full price of a season ticket?

Completely ignorant.

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[Hibernian Verse]

It’s our ****ing club and they’d die without our support in what sense are we “lucky” that it’s only gone up by £40 in six years?

Is that how you speak to people in person? :na na:

Your post has reminded me of a Highland guy on Question Time, look it up.

[Hibernian Verse]

It’s our ****ing club and they’d die without our support in what sense are we “lucky” that it’s only gone up by £40 in six years?

Suppose I better answer your question as well.

Your first point is correct. However, we are "lucky" because very few things in 2014 cost what they cost now. It's called inflation and is just par for the course. It's £40 mate, not worth having a brain aneurysm over but I have seen you over react a few times since Saturday on here so maybe you just need a good lie down.

[green day]

It’s our ****ing club and they’d die without our support in what sense are we “lucky” that it’s only gone up by £40 in six years?

Just did an inflation calc, 2014 to 2020 and £380 would now be £428.

Just to be clear,£40 is less than £48.......

[green day]

We are almost always at the top end of average season ticket prices ..so I can understand people’s frustration at a material increase tbh

Not entirely right. We have been consistently slagged off because other clubs publish a "lowest season ticket price" less than our flat structure.

Now, we will not be at the top of that particular table.

And, as I mentioned several pages ago,my ST in West upper, early bird £380. Equivalent area at Tynecastle?

£500

[Hibernian Verse]

Just did an inflation calc, 2014 to 2020 and £380 would now be £428.

Just to be clear,£40 is less than £48.......You're gonna have to provide more evidence for the moaning society to mull over.

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[green day]

You're gonna have to provide more evidence for the moaning society to mull over.

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Fair point - https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator

[CockneyRebel]

Lower tier of west are the best seats in the house. No idea why they wouldn’t be gold.




My seat is front row Upper West and apart from the VIP seats I can't find a better view anywhere in the stadium - not too far away and high enough to see the perspective across the pitch. The worst view IMO would be from the dugout or front row lower anywhere.

[Scouse Hibee]

My seat in the West Upper will likely be Gold, at this present moment it would take it to rise to £500 before I would consider whether to renew and even then would probably still do so. £420 early bird is fair enough to me considering the price freeze over the last few years. Row HH love the view.

[Carheenlea]

My seat is front row Upper West and apart from the VIP seats I can't find a better view anywhere in the stadium - not too far away and high enough to see the perspective across the pitch. The worst view IMO would be from the dugout or front row anywhere.

I’m front row of upper west also, and knew my seat would be a Gold category.

Probably paid too little before for such a great view, and arguably that’s still the case even after the modest price rise. Very happy to renew at those prices for next season.

[Sir David Gray]

Do you pay £100 or there abouts for Sky TV every month? Or buy £3 coffees every other day? Or spend £x on alcohol at weekends or on a match day? Or whatever else arent necesarry costs of living but you choose to do so...

If so then guess what, sometimes we need to make tough choices about what we spend our money on. I'd love to be able to afford to have everything and more but I cant. So I pick and choose what I spend my money on based on what matters most. There are options to move to keep the same price or reduce it - yes, not enough for every current Gold to move to Silver and Bronze but not everyone wont want to move from their current gold as you imply. If you wanted to move to keep the price the same if you were really that unhappy about a £2 a game increase - which is your call and your right to - and you were then blocked from doing so as all of the Silver and Bronze are sold out, i'd be shocked.

I just think people sometimes want everything these days, we never had any increases in prices for 2 or 3 years either as the club felt it had its hands tied with being in the Championshp. Well, now Ron has a plan, fans wanted ambition and it comes from everyone including supporters. Lets get behind it and see where it takes us. If you're really forced (and all silver and bronze are sold out) to take an increase that you cant manage or aren't willing to sacrifice something else unnecessary you pay for to manage it then that's your choice to not get a season ticket.

You've just typed out a long reply to me but it doesn't actually address the points I've made so I'm not quite sure what the purpose was.

I don't require any lessons in financial management, I do OK in that regard.

If Sky goes up too much then I move to Virgin, if Starbucks becomes too expensive, I start buying my hot chocolate in Costa. I can hardly threaten Hibs with moving to Tynecastle.

I'm well aware that it's my choice whether I buy a season ticket or not. That's not my issue and never has been.

I'm also not sure where you've worked out my increase either. If I renew during the Early Bird I'll be paying just over £3 more per game than this season. If I renew after the deadline, the rise is closer to £4 more per game.

I would need to get an increase in my salary of about £4500 p/a to keep pace with that sort of increase.

[Scouse Hibee]

You've just typed out a long reply to me but it doesn't actually address the points I've made so I'm not quite sure what the purpose was.

I don't require any lessons in financial management, I do OK in that regard.

If Sky goes up too much then I move to Virgin, if Starbucks becomes too expensive, I start buying my hot chocolate in Costa. I can hardly threaten Hibs with moving to Tynecastle.

I'm well aware that it's my choice whether I buy a season ticket or not. That's not my issue and never has been.

I'm also not sure where you've worked out my increase either. If I renew during the Early Bird I'll be paying just over £3 more per game than this season. If I renew after the deadline, the rise is closer to £4 more per game.

I would need to get an increase in my salary of about £4500 p/a to keep pace with that sort of increase.

I don’t think you need to keep justifying your anger on this. Regardless of what other people think of the pricing you are (and rightly so in my opinion) not happy at the increase that affects you directly. Your experience at the start of this season has probably added to your annoyance and so it should given the reassurances you were given about any future changes and notification. You probably will renew as Hibs is a big part of your life but communication was key here and it seems you have been somewhat let down hence your surprise at the increase. GGTH

[Steve-O]

Young? I bloody wish!

No the ends are classed as Bronze or Silver but 39 & 43 should also be classed as Silver in my view.

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The rows level with and below the exits on the East should be silver. Again a way of selling more tickets in the front areas and making the ground look more full on TV.

[Sir David Gray]

I don’t think you need to keep justifying your anger on this. Regardless of what other people think of the pricing you are (and rightly so in my opinion) not happy at the increase that affects you directly. Your experience at the start of this season has probably added to your annoyance and so it should given the reassurances you were given about any future changes and notification. You probably will renew as Hibs is a big part of your life but communication was key here and it seems you have been somewhat let down hence your surprise at the increase. GGTH

Cheers, someone who actually gets it. :aok:

You're right, I probably will renew in the end but the communication side of things over the last 12 months has been really poor from Hibs and that is what is upsetting me the most.

If I decide to jack it in, how much is a season ticket in the wheelchair section at Anfield? :greengrin

[Jamesie]

Are these prices official or based on leaks?

[Scouse Hibee]

Cheers, someone who actually gets it. :aok:

You're right, I probably will renew in the end but the communication side of things over the last 12 months has been really poor from Hibs and that is what is upsetting me the most.

If I decide to jack it in, how much is a season ticket in the wheelchair section at Anfield? :greengrin

Free for you mate as long as I get to be your assistant 😁

[Hibbyradge]

Free for you mate as long as I get to be your assistant 😁

Ha ha good one :thumbsup:

[CMurdoch]

Interesting to compare with the brochure promoting Season Tickets six years ago with “Terry Butchers Green and White Army” in 2014 Had a cold sweat after unearthing it in bookshelf at weekend.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9b1ZpqY/2-B1913-F7-84-F1-4-E86-AAEC-D2-B5965-F0490.jpg (https://postimg.cc/2bLbBNWS)

Biggest losers between then and now are students in full time education.
A students season ticket has doubled in price in 6 years.

[Billy Whizz]

Biggest losers between then and now are students in full time education.
A students season ticket has doubled in price in 6 years.

And youths who are moving from 11 to 12, massive hike

[The Spaceman]

The outrage over a £40 price rise in 6 years is hilarious considering how cheap it is versus our competitors who these same fans expect us to outcompete each year. You can move to a nice wee bronze seat if it really bothers you xox

[bigwheel]

Not entirely right. We have been consistently slagged off because other clubs publish a "lowest season ticket price" less than our flat structure.

Now, we will not be at the top of that particular table.

And, as I mentioned several pages ago,my ST in West upper, early bird £380. Equivalent area at Tynecastle?

£500

Haven’t their tickets gone up recently in their new stand ....also Hearts have equally been one of the more expensive tickets alongside us....


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[Hibbyradge]

The outrage over a £40 price rise in 6 years is hilarious considering how cheap it is versus our competitors who these same fans expect us to outcompete each year. You can move to a nice wee bronze seat if it really bothers you xox

No matter what Hibs announce, there are people ready to have a go at the club.

HSL (or should that be STFs Ponzi scheme?)
Season ticket prices
Loyalty program
Pro contracts for the Ladies
Ticket allocation
New scoreboard
New CCTV
Indoor pitch at HTC
Even building the East Stand

You name it, there are always folk on here moaning about it incessantly, and it's often the same posters. :hmmm:

I hate to think what it would be like if we had ever gone to fan ownership.

[Irish_Steve]

Executive Seating prices in the FF Upper are bonkers

I sit there with my son and two nephews who are students. The price for my son and I remain the same but have gone up by £250 for my student nephews - surely that can`t be correct?

[CMurdoch]

Executive Seating prices in the FF Upper are bonkers

I sit there with my son and two nephews who are students. The price for my son and I remain the same but have gone up by £250 for my student nephews - surely that can`t be correct?

They want folk out of there.
Looking like game on.

[McD]

Believe it or not, considering the product/results on the park will be roughly the same no matter how many promises of increasing the playing budget are made, it is *exactly* things like how atmospheric Easter Road is that will help bolster season ticket sales when things are not going so well. If we rely on a yearly price hike in season tickets to pay for a higher wage bill, only to finish in similar positions, then **** me you're in for a shock when people lose interest. Atmosphere is important, and we shoot ourselves in the foot in this issue. You may well not care too much about it, and that's fine, I don't realistically expect every Hibs fan to. But I do get annoyed at the stubbornness from our board and a very small section of our fans on this issue


much like the loud stubbornness of a very small section of our fans who are stamping their feet because the club isn’t bending over backwards to accommodate - people go to the football to watch the football, not to hear or join in with a much smaller group singing


And having 'bums on seats' does absolutely nothing to our home record, it attracts more people who will simply disappear when we (inevitably) revert to underachieving once more. It all reminds me of Gordon Brown proudly proclaiming 'no return to boom and bust'. Doubling our playing budget might seem ambitious, and it undoubtedly is in a Scottish footballing context, but we will never realistically compete with the Old Firm for titles. So why not, in that case, improve things within our control that absolutely do matter to the modern football fan (particularly young kids, who have the choice between watching our standard of football in often baltic weather or the best stuff on their TV), like atmosphere? Why are some fans so determined to see every last penny we make go towards trying to improve our playing squad in order to pointlessly play catch-up with Celtic and Rangers? I just do not understand it


fans want to see their club spend money to try to improve and achieve success? Whatever next :rolleyes:


you seem to think people are more interested in the singing section than the team on the pitch. Should we just not bother with a match, and just turn up to watch and listen to the singing section? We could invest the money in them instead

[Irish_Steve]

They want folk out of there.
Looking like game on.

What makes you say that? As I said my ticket remains the same price, it's just there doesnt appear to be any concession prices. If they wanted us out of there, surely they would have increased prices further

[HibeeHibernian4]

fans want to see their club spend money to try to improve and achieve success? Whatever next :rolleyes:

Fans want their fellow fans to be able to afford to watch this success? Whatever next :rolleyes:

Or are you one of these "I'm alright Jacks" who will be able to pay the increase and it's a case of tough luck to the fans who get priced out by the gradual yet relentless price increases?

[Hibbyradge]

Fans want their fellow fans to be able to afford to watch this success? Whatever next :rolleyes:

Or are you one of these "I'm alright Jacks" who will be able to pay the increase and it's a case of tough luck to the fans who get priced out by the gradual yet relentless price increases?

You've missed his point completely.

It was nothing to do with price increases.

[007]

Just did an inflation calc, 2014 to 2020 and £380 would now be £428.

Just to be clear,£40 is less than £48.......


Fair point - https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator

The calculator doesn't do 2020 yet so 2013 to 2019 is probably the best estimate. £380 becomes £439.

Good wee tool though. Ta.

[hibee-boys]

Are season ticket holders really going to not renew because of a £30 - £40 increase, extra circa £2 a game. I appreciate that some fans will elect to not renew for a number of different reasons but giving up your season ticket for less than the equivalent cost of a pint a month......you surely are just moaning for moanings sake.

[Juniper Greens]

The calculator doesn't do 2020 yet so 2013 to 2019 is probably the best estimate. £380 becomes £439.

Good wee tool though. Ta.

Just use the CPI index. Using March 2014 to now gives us £380 becoming £412. So maybe the rise is a little high

[CMurdoch]

What makes you say that? As I said my ticket remains the same price, it's just there doesnt appear to be any concession prices. If they wanted us out of there, surely they would have increased prices further

I think this is just the next stage and this time they are forcing the concessions out so anyone that wants to stay has to pay close to £500 for their season ticket.

[Irish_Steve]

I think this is just the next stage and this time they are forcing the concessions out so anyone that wants to stay has to pay close to £500 for their season ticket.

There was talk a couple of seasons ago about turning the Executive area in hospitality but that never happened. Instead the seat prices went up as they used to be the same price as all the other seats in the FF Upper. They will just end up empty

[CMurdoch]

There was talk a couple of seasons ago about turning the Executive area in hospitality but that never happened. Instead the seat prices went up as they used to be the same price as all the other seats in the FF Upper. They will just end up empty

They will certainly annoy supporters like yourself which is never clever.

[McD]

Fans want their fellow fans to be able to afford to watch this success? Whatever next :rolleyes:

Or are you one of these "I'm alright Jacks" who will be able to pay the increase and it's a case of tough luck to the fans who get priced out by the gradual yet relentless price increases?


You've missed his point completely.

It was nothing to do with price increases.


:agree: :aok:

[Steve-O]

much like the loud stubbornness of a very small section of our fans who are stamping their feet because the club isn’t bending over backwards to accommodate - people go to the football to watch the football, not to hear or join in with a much smaller group singing




fans want to see their club spend money to try to improve and achieve success? Whatever next :rolleyes:


you seem to think people are more interested in the singing section than the team on the pitch. Should we just not bother with a match, and just turn up to watch and listen to the singing section? We could invest the money in them instead

Stop conflating the issue and pretending that atmosphere and football matches have no relationship.

As for the club “bending over backwards”, once again a gross exaggeration.

[Carheenlea]

Are the executive seats in FF upper just more comfortable seats with a central behind goal view?

[Antifa Hibs]

Are season ticket holders really going to not renew because of a £30 - £40 increase, extra circa £2 a game. I appreciate that some fans will elect to not renew for a number of different reasons but giving up your season ticket for less than the equivalent cost of a pint a month......you surely are just moaning for moanings sake.

Everything is goes up by a pint a month though. My gym membership went up by a pint a month, my broadband went up by a pint, my mobile phone contract by half a pint, my council tax, my rent, leccy etc. Edinburgh's a dear place to live in and costs increasing all the time. I can see why people are pissed off. It's a big hike regardless of what other clubs cost. As I've said i'm not overly happy with it, as our most of our group, will i renew yes, pissed off at a big hike after another pish season, yes. Laughable people think its needed for us to compete when we're out of reach of ******g Motherwell and struggling to compete with Livi and St Johnstone :rolleyes: :greengrin

Also pissed off at the lack of action regarding FFL/singing section and i'm another one who has had nothing to do with the group.

[Steven79]

Are the executive seats in FF upper just more comfortable seats with a central behind goal view?Pretty much!

They would be as well ripping them out and putting normal seats in.

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[Keith_M]

Are the executive seats in FF upper just more comfortable seats with a central behind goal view?


Yeah, plus the seats are a bit wider.

I bought my dad a season ticket in there a couple of years back and he loved it.

I think the only reason there's 'executive' seats in there was to accomodate the people that later moved to the West Stand Executive seats.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The rows level with and below the exits on the East should be silver. Again a way of selling more tickets in the front areas and making the ground look more full on TV.

We dont sell tickets to look good on TV we sell them to maximise revenue. No point looking deceptively full on the wee screen if it reduces the cash you have available to improve the product on the pitch

[ABZHFC]

much like the loud stubbornness of a very small section of our fans who are stamping their feet because the club isn’t bending over backwards to accommodate - people go to the football to watch the football, not to hear or join in with a much smaller group singing

fans want to see their club spend money to try to improve and achieve success? Whatever next :rolleyes:

you seem to think people are more interested in the singing section than the team on the pitch. Should we just not bother with a match, and just turn up to watch and listen to the singing section? We could invest the money in them instead

1) I wish it wasn't merely a "very small section of fans" who actually wanted to stand and sing at Easter Road, but that's the reality of the status quo, and therefore they should be accommodated, because otherwise what atmosphere is there to speak of?

2) By all means, fans can wish for that, but they should know that it's a false dichotomy to pretend it is the only means of improving. We've been here before, we've been told all sort of things regarding the club having the biggest playing budget in its history, it doesn't necessarily translate into success. And considering any chance of silverware in Scotland will always be tempered by the existence of the Old Firm in their current form, why would you expect pumping a bit more money into the playing side of things to automatically produce better results?

3) I am fully aware that the majority of fans couldn't really care about atmosphere, but as I've said repeatedly - on this thread and on others - it is the kind of thing that helps to attract young supporters to Easter Road. We will never, ever play the kind of football (with any regularity) that they can watch on their TV. So what differentiates watching football in your living room compared to in a stadium? Atmosphere, noise, passion, colour. These are all things we can control, we will never be able to perfect how good our team is, but we absolutely can improve Easter Road's atmosphere with a few changes. And I'd imagine that even people like you, who clearly do not care too much about this issue, would notice a difference in vocal backing the players receive at games. It might even reflect in a few more points won come the end of the season

[Scouse Hibee]

It’s about time Hibs published the actual ST information.

[GreenCastle]

We dont sell tickets to look good on TV we sell them to maximise revenue. No point looking deceptively full on the wee screen if it reduces the cash you have available to improve the product on the pitch

Empty seats doesn’t bring the wow factor though..

Empty seats and no atmosphere really doesn’t entice many to attend games especially if the product isn’t great.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Empty seats doesn’t bring the wow factor though..

Empty seats and no atmosphere really doesn’t entice many to attend games especially if the product isn’t great.

There’s no atmosphere when the product isn’t great and one way of making the product great is the support backing the team in numbers.

[hibbydad]

There’s no atmosphere when the product isn’t great and one way of making the product great is the support backing the team in numbers.
Well said Danderhall

[McD]

Stop conflating the issue and pretending that atmosphere and football matches have no relationship.

As for the club “bending over backwards”, once again a gross exaggeration.


of course they are connected, very much so. I was replying to someone who clearly said they weren’t bothered about what happened in the pitch, only about “the atmosphere” - they seem to be the one who sees them as separate things.

and yes, I was exaggerating when I said bending over backwards, in response to the exaggerated comments about how the club have ignored the singing section, etc etc. KP has since stated that they’ve not been ignored at all, but that it’s a complex situation to be looked at.

[tamig]

Yeah, plus the seats are a bit wider.

I bought my dad a season ticket in there a couple of years back and he loved it.

I think the only reason there's 'executive' seats in there was to accomodate the people that later moved to the West Stand Executive seats.
Aye. They were originally used when the main hospitality was based in the FF before the new West arose.

[McD]

1) I wish it wasn't merely a "very small section of fans" who actually wanted to stand and sing at Easter Road, but that's the reality of the status quo, and therefore they should be accommodated, because otherwise what atmosphere is there to speak of?

2) By all means, fans can wish for that, but they should know that it's a false dichotomy to pretend it is the only means of improving. We've been here before, we've been told all sort of things regarding the club having the biggest playing budget in its history, it doesn't necessarily translate into success. And considering any chance of silverware in Scotland will always be tempered by the existence of the Old Firm in their current form, why would you expect pumping a bit more money into the playing side of things to automatically produce better results?

3) I am fully aware that the majority of fans couldn't really care about atmosphere, but as I've said repeatedly - on this thread and on others - it is the kind of thing that helps to attract young supporters to Easter Road. We will never, ever play the kind of football (with any regularity) that they can watch on their TV. So what differentiates watching football in your living room compared to in a stadium? Atmosphere, noise, passion, colour. These are all things we can control, we will never be able to perfect how good our team is, but we absolutely can improve Easter Road's atmosphere with a few changes. And I'd imagine that even people like you, who clearly do not care too much about this issue, would notice a difference in vocal backing the players receive at games. It might even reflect in a few more points won come the end of the season

1) why “therefore they should be accommodated”? Is the money paid by the singing section worth more than any other ticket holders? You seem to be telling me/us that the creation of “atmosphere” is the be all and end all of the purpose of attending Easter Road. Most people there are there to watch and support their football team. Atmosphere is a byproduct of that, both positively and negatively, sadly.

2) I agree in part, money is not the only way to improve, in fact at this level of football and the level of Financial input we're discussing, I’d say it’s impossible for it to be the only way. Better results is a very vague term though. Money may mean less or more likelihood of trophies, it will have a bearing on the quality of player/coach we can sign (‘can’ being the operative word as opposed to ‘will’), and by extension the quality of play on the pitch, and then hopefully results.
At every level of football, there is a limited amount of trophies to be won, so why do the vast majority of fans keep going? For the odd chance of a trophy, and very much for the chance to see their team win matches, and to hopefully see a decent style of football. Mowbray didn’t win a trophy with Hibs, but the style of football and decent regularity of winning means they are held very fondly in the memory.

3) I agree that atmosphere plays a part in young supporters coming along and importantly, continuing to do so. I believe that what I’ve described above in 2) is a massive part in creating atmosphere, people love to see players who get them out their seats/excited by either skill (Scott Allan, Deek, etc) or attitude (Darren McGregor, Scott Brown, David Gray, etc). A section of the crowd singing doesn’t get the blood pumping as these guys do, but can and does help. Which hopefully becomes a positive cycle, players feeding off of crowd feeding off of players feeding off of crowd, and so on.


as it happens, I am a fan of what the singing section do. I don’t think they should be treated any differently to any other section of the crowd, broadly speaking. I also don’t think continually criticising the club (this is not directed specifically at you, it’s a general comment) for trying to balance the needs of all the people who pay their way at the ground. I do think the club should open a proper dialogue with the singing section not just on their location in the stadium but on what other ways we all could improve the atmosphere, I’ve seen numerous comments on here about music (or no music) etc over the PA for example. I also think the singing section need to be a bit less bolshy about what the club should be doing for them, and a bit more understanding of the people they want displaced, and equally a bit more understanding of what the singing section can and do do from the some of the rest of the fans.

[HibeeHibernian4]

We dont sell tickets to look good on TV we sell them to maximise revenue. No point looking deceptively full on the wee screen if it reduces the cash you have available to improve the product on the pitch

Again even the most basic understanding of marketing would tell you that if we want to sell Hibs as a product then having a full looking stadium for our TV games promotes the idea that we’re doing well as a club and that people should be wanting to come and watch us in a full stadium.

[Ronniekirk]

1) why “therefore they should be accommodated”? Is the money paid by the singing section worth more than any other ticket holders? You seem to be telling me/us that the creation of “atmosphere” is the be all and end all of the purpose of attending Easter Road. Most people there are there to watch and support their football team. Atmosphere is a byproduct of that, both positively and negatively, sadly.

2) I agree in part, money is not the only way to improve, in fact at this level of football and the level of Financial input we're discussing, I’d say it’s impossible for it to be the only way. Better results is a very vague term though. Money may mean less or more likelihood of trophies, it will have a bearing on the quality of player/coach we can sign (‘can’ being the operative word as opposed to ‘will’), and by extension the quality of play on the pitch, and then hopefully results.
At every level of football, there is a limited amount of trophies to be won, so why do the vast majority of fans keep going? For the odd chance of a trophy, and very much for the chance to see their team win matches, and to hopefully see a decent style of football. Mowbray didn’t win a trophy with Hibs, but the style of football and decent regularity of winning means they are held very fondly in the memory.

3) I agree that atmosphere plays a part in young supporters coming along and importantly, continuing to do so. I believe that what I’ve described above in 2) is a massive part in creating atmosphere, people love to see players who get them out their seats/excited by either skill (Scott Allan, Deek, etc) or attitude (Darren McGregor, Scott Brown, David Gray, etc). A section of the crowd singing doesn’t get the blood pumping as these guys do, but can and does help. Which hopefully becomes a positive cycle, players feeding off of crowd feeding off of players feeding off of crowd, and so on.


as it happens, I am a fan of what the singing section do. I don’t think they should be treated any differently to any other section of the crowd, broadly speaking. I also don’t think continually criticising the club (this is not directed specifically at you, it’s a general comment) for trying to balance the needs of all the people who pay their way at the ground. I do think the club should open a proper dialogue with the singing section not just on their location in the stadium but on what other ways we all could improve the atmosphere, I’ve seen numerous comments on here about music (or no music) etc over the PA for example. I also think the singing section need to be a bit less bolshy about what the club should be doing for them, and a bit more understanding of the people they want displaced, and equally a bit more understanding of what the singing section can and do do from the some of the rest of the fans.

If the singing section was located in a better location I would buy a ticket for that section I think others would as well When they moved to Famous Five Lower at half time in Cup game The Atmosphere and singing improved in the East Stand
For me that shows it should be there if possible


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[ABZHFC]

There’s no atmosphere when the product isn’t great and one way of making the product great is the support backing the team in numbers.

Right, it's just that in almost every country on the continent, there's one stand that is full of fans who back the team vocally for 90 minutes - win, lose or draw. Why do we pretend atmosphere is only dependent on what happens on the pitch? It's a fantasy. As I've said already, look at how silent every section bar one at Parkhead is most weeks, and Celtic win virtually every home game whilst taking teams apart in doing so?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Empty seats doesn’t bring the wow factor though..

Empty seats and no atmosphere really doesn’t entice many to attend games especially if the product isn’t great.

Actual the sight of empty seats might encourage people to go along. If it looks rammed you think there's no chance of getting a seat, if it looks empty you think I'll get a good seat.

Atmosphere can be "created" without people. A digitally fluent former TV station owner would know how to do it😉

[hibbyfraelibby]

Again even the most basic understanding of marketing would tell you that if we want to sell Hibs as a product then having a full looking stadium for our TV games promotes the idea that we’re doing well as a club and that people should be wanting to come and watch us in a full stadium.

...and a basic understanding of economics trumps basic unfocused marketing.

[Keith_M]

Actual the sight of empty seats might encourage people to go along. If it looks rammed you think there's no chance of getting a seat, if it looks empty you think I'll get a good seat.

Atmosphere can be "created" without people. A digitally fluent former TV station owner would know how to do it😉



Didn't Hearts do that for a while?


As for making empty sections look full, Hamilton have painted Fans on the wall behind one goal. Maybe we should do that 'so it looks good on the telly'

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I personally think we should bring back the fog horns to games. That used to get people involved in the chants.


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[NAE NOOKIE]

At the end of the day much as we would like to what we don't have is a billionaire owner. What we have is a guy whose total personal wealth couldn't buy Paul Pogba.

It was clear from the AGM that every possible revenue stream would be looked into and it has to be said ST prices have been pretty static for some time now, even without a new owner chances are they would have gone up anyway. Nobody likes that, but at least as fans of a Scottish football club we know that money will be directly beneficial to our club, a club which relies on gate money far more than any other source of income.

IMO this new structured ST policy throughout the stadium was an open door to pave the way for an FF lower standing / singing section. It would have had a galvanising effect on the stadium as a whole and the matchday experience Ron Gordon is clearly so keen to ramp up. It would have enthused our younger supporters and been beneficial to the team on the park. I know some folk don't give it the importance folk like me do, including it would seem the club. If you ask me the evidence from all around the world suggests these folk and the club are wrong.

With the clear non attendance of a number of existing ST holders this season and these price rises for next I would be very surprised if we exceed 11,000 season tickets for the 20/21 season. That means RG's aim of 17,000 ST holders before the second half of this decade goes from an increase of 4,000 to an increase of 6,000 at a stroke.

If we are to achieve 17,000 our recruitment team had better have a few aces up their sleeves to excite the fans, not just this summer but for the next three summers and we had better make Europe regularly in that time and win at least one trophy. If we don't no amount of added extras to the stadium or gourmet pies will make a difference and his target will remain the pipe dream many of us thought it was when he mentioned it at the AGM.

[GreenCastle]

Actual the sight of empty seats might encourage people to go along. If it looks rammed you think there's no chance of getting a seat, if it looks empty you think I'll get a good seat.

Atmosphere can be "created" without people. A digitally fluent former TV station owner would know how to do it😉

I’m glad you and others aren’t in charge of our marketing campaigns.

May as well release a video of an empty stadium and empty Hampden when we won the cup.

If the team are poor - a good atmosphere is the 2nd thing that attracts me to a game.

Crap / negative atmosphere and poor football = no fun going to games for anyone.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I’m glad you and others aren’t in charge of our marketing campaigns.

May as well release a video of an empty stadium and empty Hampden when we won the cup.

If the team are poor - a good atmosphere is the 2nd thing that attracts me to a game.

Crap / negative atmosphere and poor football = no fun going to games for anyone.

So tell me how did the empty seats on TV, crap football and gash atmosphere hold us back from selling a record 13000 STs this season? That's right...it didn't.

Remove your agenda and look at the facts not your fantasies

[GreenCastle]

So tell me how did the empty seats on TV, crap football and gash atmosphere hold us back from selling a record 13000 STs this season? That's right...it didn't.

Remove your agenda and look at the facts not your fantasies

I’m looking ahead to next season and beyond.

You can bury the head in the sand or like majority of the feedback on here and fans I’ve spoken to you can see Hibs need to think outside the box if they are to hit Rons targets.

Where was it reported Hibs had record season ticket sales THIS season ? Do you have a link ?

Season before we hit 13,000.

No agenda just want the best for the club and I don’t think we will reach our targets if this is the best they are offering after an average / boring season.

[PatHead]

Sick of how every thread is hijacked by a famous 5 lower discussion. The same discussion is just covered again and again. It's really boring and ruining Hibsnet just now.

The positioning of the singing section is not going to change for next season so why not give it a rest until the close season?

[ABZHFC]

Sick of how every thread is hijacked by a famous 5 lower discussion. The same discussion is just covered again and again. It's really boring and ruining Hibsnet just now.

The positioning of the singing section is not going to change for next season so why not give it a rest until the close season?

Because we passionately believe that the club are shooting themselves in the foot on the subject? And some supporters are hell-bent of defending the indefensible.

It worked for those who (ridiculously) wanted loyalty points scrapped a few season back. If you complain enough, the club listen, or so I'm led to believe.

[marinello59]

Because we passionately believe that the club are shooting themselves in the foot on the subject? And some supporters are hell-bent of defending the indefensible.

It worked for those who (ridiculously) wanted loyalty points scrapped a few season back. If you complain enough, the club listen, or so I'm led to believe.


I'm not picking on you here or meaning to offend but that reads as you are totally right and those who oppose you are totally wrong. I'm guessing that's not your intention. :greengrin
Get the singing section guys and the existing family groups in the FF lower together and let them see what can be done. Aberdeen have managed to create a family friendly area behind their goal which has impressed everybody arguing for a move to the FF lower so maybe a wee bit of discussion and compromise between fans would go a long way to making that happen at ER.

[Steven79]

The ticket website just done a trial run listing the season tickets on sale and I can confirm the prices were as before.

It's madness to charge people the same in the lower as the upper Famous Five.

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[Hibs90]

Far too many 'prawn sandwich' types in our support. :greengrin


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[PatHead]

Because we passionately believe that the club are shooting themselves in the foot on the subject? And some supporters are hell-bent of defending the indefensible.

It worked for those who (ridiculously) wanted loyalty points scrapped a few season back. If you complain enough, the club listen, or so I'm led to believe.

Bored

[RoYO!]

Bored

What a fantastic response.. Why not just ignore and move on?

I am in entire agreement with the previous post.

Some seem to want to defend the club at all costs. In my opinion they have missed an open goal.

Go back and read the match thread from the cup match if you want an indication of how something as simple as moving a group of fans can have on the enjoyment factor at the football. Yes- enjoyment!! Who would have thought! ER is like a morgue all too often. The club have shown zero interest in addressing this. The big event experience that RG was talking about relies on many things not least some semblance of an atmosphere.

[JohnM1875]

What a fantastic response.. Why not just ignore and move on?

I am in entire agreement with the previous post.

Some seem to want to defend the club at all costs. In my opinion they have missed an open goal.

Go back and read the match thread from the cup match if you want an indication of how something as simple as moving a group of fans can have on the enjoyment factor at the football. Yes- enjoyment!! Who would have thought! ER is like a morgue all too often. The club have shown zero interest in addressing this. The big event experience that RG was talking about relies on many things not least some semblance of an atmosphere.

I think the point some folk are trying to make though is they enjoy it just fine as it is and an amazing atmosphere wouldn't enhance their enjoyment any.

Personally I prefer it when ER is rocking, but its horses for courses and I don't think it'll ever be any other way.

[Malthibby]

Far too many 'prawn sandwich' types in our support. :greengrin


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I'm very fond of prawn sandwiches and miss my days snoozing in the quiet of the West. It's all very shouty in the East & the pies are quite dreadful.
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[PatHead]

What a fantastic response.. Why not just ignore and move on?

I am in entire agreement with the previous post.

Some seem to want to defend the club at all costs. In my opinion they have missed an open goal.

Go back and read the match thread from the cup match if you want an indication of how something as simple as moving a group of fans can have on the enjoyment factor at the football. Yes- enjoyment!! Who would have thought! ER is like a morgue all too often. The club have shown zero interest in addressing this. The big event experience that RG was talking about relies on many things not least some semblance of an atmosphere.

So which threads should I go to? A large number of threads get taken over with this "debate". If you read my post my complaint wasn't about the singing section moving it is about the number of threads which are taken over by your guys.

For what it is worth I believe you should move but along with the majority of the people in the poll I believe that the East is best.

I also find your post extremely patronising.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I'm very fond of prawn sandwiches and miss my days snoozing in the quiet of the West. It's all very shouty in the East & the pies are quite dreadful.
GG

One would much prefer game pies rather than those nasty faux mutton ones too.

[Keith_M]

I'm not picking on you here or meaning to offend but that reads as you are totally right and those who oppose you are totally wrong. I'm guessing that's not your intention. :greengrin
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I take it that's the first time you've read one of his posts, then.

[Hibbyradge]

If the "product on the pitch" is good and Hibs are playing well and winning, I get excited, I get right behind the team, the atmosphere at the game is great, and I enjoy my day/evening.

If the product on the park is poor, and we're producing dull football and losing, I do not enjoy the experience.

The singing section could be producing something akin to Andrea Bocelli and Luciano Pavarotti singing together with a 60 piece orchestra, and it wouldn't make me enjoy the game any more.

That's 100% the fact of the matter for me and thousands upon thousands of others.

Yet, we're told it's a myth. Is there any wonder there's a conflict here?