Mc Geuoch.

[Moody Blues]

Mc Geuoch.
Do you think we dodged a bullet with not bringing him back.

[The 90+2]

No. He would walk into our team. Him or Slivka? Decisions.

[007]

Mc Geuoch.
Do you think we dodged a bullet with not bringing him back.

Aberdeen's style doesn't suit him. He should have realised that but maybe McInnes persuaded him he has plans to change the style, similar to how Motherwell have, and that McGeouch would be a big part of it.

[jgl07]

Aberdeen's style doesn't suit him. He should have realised that but maybe McInnes persuaded him he has plans to change the style, similar to how Motherwell have, and that McGeouch would be a big part of it.

He continues to make bad decisions. The Sunderland move certainly made sense financially but a player like Dylan was never going to prosper in League One even without his dubious injury record.

Hibs have moved on. He will not be back.

[davhibby]

He continues to make bad decisions. The Sunderland move certainly made sense financially but a player like Dylan was never going to prosper in League One even without his dubious injury record.

Hibs have moved on. He will not be back.

Yep, both moves have been awful career decisions. Gone to a league that wouldn’t suit him then to a team that spend the game bypassing the midfield. He’ll have done well financially out of them but it will shorten his career at this level

[FilipinoHibs]

Yep, both moves have been awful career decisions. Gone to a league that wouldn’t suit him then to a team that spend the game bypassing the midfield. He’ll have done well financially out of them but it will shorten his career at this level

Yes lost his momentum and self belief. Next stop ST Mirren/Partick Thistle on £700 a week while trying to ride out his Aberdeen contract.

[DetroitHibs]

I think we did. I don’t think he’ll ever find the form he did when he was with us and on the fringes of the Scotland squad.

[Since452]

He's been dropped and heavily criticised by fans of his last two clubs. I think it's more than Aberdeen's style not suiting him. Lennon alluded to him having mental barriers in the past.

[Waxy]

Oh well we didnt get him anyway.Still a legend.

[Clarence]

We need to move on. If the Aberdeen move doesn’t work out for him, he could maybe start a YouTube channel for his stretching routines. He must be one of the country’s foremost experts in stretching by now.

[green day]

Dylan has got fantastic skill and can read and control a game fantastically well. Would walk into most teams in this division.

However that needs to be in a team with the right midfield and style - and Aberdeen is not it.

Aberdeen have a big budget, and have bagged themselves a lot of very good midfield players who are injured / cant get a game / are struggling in that formation (Ojo, Dylan, Craig Bryson to name 3).

[calumhibee1]

Dylan has got fantastic skill and can read and control a game fantastically well. Would walk into most teams in this division.

However that needs to be in a team with the right midfield and style - and Aberdeen is not it.

Aberdeen have a big budget, and have bagged themselves a lot of very good midfield players who are injured / cant get a game / are struggling in that formation (Ojo, Dylan, Craig Bryson to name 3).

Forgot Bryson was even there. People thought he’d be a great signing but it seems he’s hardly played. Injured?

[green day]

Forgot Bryson was even there. People thought he’d be a great signing but it seems he’s hardly played. Injured?

He arrived last summer with an injury, is now apparently fit !

Genuinely think McInnes is on borrowed time there, one win this calendar year in the league allied with spending a fortune and awful football.

[Hibernian Verse]

What the McGeouch transfer to Aberdeen shows is that we should trust our recruitment team. Especially when you look at who we brought in instead.

[Yorkshire HFC]

He arrived last summer with an injury, is now apparently fit !

Genuinely think McInnes is on borrowed time there, one win this calendar year in the league allied with spending a fortune and awful football.

They've finished second in the league 4 out of the last 5 years - but you think that's not good enough for Aberdeen?

I wish we were as bad as Aberdeen!

[MWHIBBIES]

What the McGeouch transfer to Aberdeen shows is that we should trust our recruitment team. Especially when you look at who we brought in instead.

Yeah, but we'll have to trust them again in the summer because they struggle to sign decent players for more than 6 months. Docherty and Omeonga are good players but those weren't really great deals for us because we have to replace both in the summer.

[Gloucester Hibs]

They've finished second in the league 4 out of the last 5 years - but you think that's not good enough for Aberdeen?

I wish we were as bad as Aberdeen!

He’s become a victim of his own success. Now Sheep fans have unreasonable expectations. Also, their style of football probably doesn’t help him when results take a turn for the worse.

[Since452]

McInnes has been a revelation at Aberdeen. Their best manager since Ferguson but every manager has a shelf life at a club that size. Wonder who they would get in to replace him. With the new stadium, training ground and financial backing they're an attractive proposition. I have a feeling they would try and pinch Jack Ross

[Hibernian Verse]

Yeah, but we'll have to trust them again in the summer because they struggle to sign decent players for more than 6 months. Docherty and Omeonga are good players but those weren't really great deals for us because we have to replace both in the summer.

Unless we sign them.

And that 6 months comment is completely untrue. Doidge, Newell, Allan, Jackson just recently. We have to sign real quality players on 6 month loans because we are small fry and that's the reality. Surely they could be commended for getting these players in when, frankly, we can't afford guys like McNulty when their clubs are being bellends.

[MWHIBBIES]

Unless we sign them.

And that 6 months comment is completely untrue. Doidge, Newell, Allan, Jackson just recently. We have to sign real quality players on 6 month loans because we are small fry and that's the reality. Surely they could be commended for getting these players in when, frankly, we can't afford guys like McNulty when their clubs are being bellends.

It's not completely untrue because there are many, many examples. We might well sign them (very slim chance) but we also might not and be back to square one.

Obviously we've got some good players on long deals but we've been relying on 6 month January deals far too much.

[scoopyboy]

Mc Geuoch.
Do you think we dodged a bullet with not bringing him back.

I would have taken him back personally but happy enough that Hibs didn't make a move for him.

Your question won't go down well with many.

A helluva lot of Hibs fans reckon we should sign back any ex Hibs player that is up for transfer and if another club sign said player then we missed out on a target or we have slipped up badly not signing him.

[Hibernian Verse]

It's not completely untrue because there are many, many examples. We might well sign them (very slim chance) but we also might not and be back to square one.

Obviously we've got some good players on long deals but we've been relying on 6 month January deals far too much.But do you not think that's just the market we now operate in? We can't sign these players on long deals as it stands so we would be signing a worse player instead on a 3 year deal for the sake of it?

Even Rangers took two 6 month loans in Jan and they are streets ahead of us financially.

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[Pretty Boy]

I don't think going to Sunderland was a bad decision by DM at all.

If a player gets the chance to go and play in England at a big club and earn themselves a significant wage increase safe in the knowledge that if it doesn't work out there would still be suitors in Scotland then it seems like an absolute no brainer to me.

As I said on the thread about Efe the whole debate about whether we should or shouldn't sign players is fine. There seems to be a few people who love to specialise in revisionism about what players offered. McGeouch was a very good player for us, his peers recognised that at the time, and to suggest otherwise is just nonsense. We made the decision not to bring him back and that's fine, it's possible to support that decision without dismissing a players previous contribution.

[Pretty Boy]

He's been dropped and heavily criticised by fans of his last two clubs. I think it's more than Aberdeen's style not suiting him. Lennon alluded to him having mental barriers in the past.

Which was pretty callous of Lennon considering finally arranging a visit to a physical specialist saw DM play a full season largely injury free. He has a physical issue that requires treatment and management.

[FilipinoHibs]

I don't think going to Sunderland was a bad decision by DM at all.

If a player gets the chance to go and play in England at a big club and earn themselves a significant wage increase safe in the knowledge that if it doesn't work out there would still be suitors in Scotland then it seems like an absolute no brainer to me.

As I said on the thread about Efe the whole debate about whether we should or shouldn't sign players is fine. There seems to be a few people who love to specialise in revisionism about what players offered. McGeouch was a very good player for us, his peers recognised that at the time, and to suggest otherwise is just nonsense. We made the decision not to bring him back and that's fine, it's possible to support that decision without dismissing a players previous contribution.

I think the points people are making are;

He has not been that good since he left Hibs:

He had one season where he played consistently, which coincided with his contract expiring; and

Good when he played but several periods a season out injured and frequently pulled up in matches.

Given all this and the fact JR managed him for over a season , it is no surprise we did not pursue him.

[Golden Bear]

Personally I think this topic has already been discussed in countless threads already. I've nothing further to add other than its well and truly time to move on.

[easty]

I don't think Dylan McGeough fluked a season where he was great at Hibs, he just performed as he's capable of performing. The fact it didn't work out at Sunderland, and isn't going great at Aberdeen, doesn't change the fact that we saw what he was capable of.

Good player, and if we had him he'd improve our team.

[J-C]

His 2 best spells for us was when he had legs in midfield doing the graft, Fyvie and then McGinn but tends to struggle when he doesn't have that luxury, he reads the game well and does the basics very well but I still question his mental desire to succeed, unlike McGinn who wanted to be the best he could.

[Lago]

Mc Geuoch.
Do you think we dodged a bullet with not bringing him back.
Is this not a re run of at least 2 previous threads, boring.

[MWHIBBIES]

But do you not think that's just the market we now operate in? We can't sign these players on long deals as it stands so we would be signing a worse player instead on a 3 year deal for the sake of it?

Even Rangers took two 6 month loans in Jan and they are streets ahead of us financially.

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But a quality player like Mcgeouch was available on a long term deal. They are definitely out there, we've signed them before.

[WeeRussell]

I wouldn't go as far as "dodged a bullet" but I was very comfortable at the time with us not overspending on wages in order to sign Dylan, and that hasn't changed. I wouldn't change the business of Docherty coming in to have DM either.

The "wrong style" argument can't go on forever for a player who is as good as most on here tell us, and those questioning (even criticising) JR's management credentials because we didn't sign him look even sillier now.

Hopefully for his sake he can remain fit and get back to playing at a good level (not against us) but we haven't missed out.

[HoboHarry]

Personally I think this topic has already been discussed in countless threads already. I've nothing further to add other than its well and truly time to move on.
:agree:. Correct, we need to focus all of our energies on getting Riordan back.......

[FilipinoHibs]

:agree:. Correct, we need to focus all of our energies on getting Riordan back.......

Looks fit again in his pub. Could still do a job.

[Kato]

He’s become a victim of his own success. Now Sheep fans have unreasonable expectations. Also, their style of football probably doesn’t help him when results take a turn for the worse.I think it's all about style of football, finishing third = zero glory . Tipping up every Saturday to watch foul after foul, zero entertainment.

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[LeithMike]

I think Dylan is a bit of a specialist and will struggle to fit into most teams. He even struggled a bit at Hibs to find his position with Stubbs playing him wide right most of the time. It was only when Scott Allan arrived and Lennon settled on a 3-5-2 when we began to see Dylan perform consistently brilliant. There are not many players capable of playing the holding role as well as Dylan. He is great at receiving the ball in tight spaces and getting the team on the front foot. The only thing is that British football often sees this as the position for tough tackling hard men.

At Aberdeen I suspect the fact that Ojo is playing alongside him will mean that Dylan doesn't have the space and movement in front of him to thrive.

For me a midfield three of McGeouch, Docherty and Omeonga/Allan would be fantastic at Hibs. McGeouch is pure class when played in the right position in the right team.

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[MWHIBBIES]

I think Dylan is a bit of a specialist and will struggle to fit into most teams. He even struggled a bit at Hibs to find his position with Stubbs playing him wide right most of the time. It was only when Scott Allan arrived and Lennon settled on a 3-5-2 when we began to see Dylan perform consistently brilliant. There are not many players capable of playing the holding role as well as Dylan. He is great at receiving the ball in tight spaces and getting the team on the front foot. The only thing is that British football often sees this as the position for tough tackling hard men.

At Aberdeen I suspect the fact that Ojo is playing alongside him will mean that Dylan doesn't have the space and movement in front of him to thrive.

For me a midfield three of McGeouch, Docherty and Omeonga/Allan would be fantastic at Hibs. McGeouch is pure class when played in the right position in the right team.

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:confused: What?

Dylan never once played wide right for Hibs.

[LeithMike]

:confused: What?

Dylan never once played wide right for Hibs.He played on the right in the cup final. Fyvie was Stubbs' preference for the holding role with McGinn on the left and McGeouch on the right of the diamond.

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[Eyrie]

I think it's been good for McGeouch's reputation amongst Hibs fans that he didn't come back.

He was a very good player for us and I was disappointed when he left. However even if he had returned fully fit and on form he would struggle to live up to some of the expectations being voiced.

Let's just remember how good he was and be grateful for that.

[J-C]

:confused: What?

Dylan never once played wide right for Hibs.


He played wide right when we got beat by Ross Co in the League cup final, he was wasted and lost out there.

[angus hibby]

He played wide right when we got beat by Ross Co in the League cup final, he was wasted and lost out there.

Pretty sure he never played in that game. May have played right of a midfield diamond in other games but don’t ever remember playing wide right for Hibs.

[Pretty Boy]

He played wide right when we got beat by Ross Co in the League cup final, he was wasted and lost out there.

Hibs midfield that day was Bartley, Thomson, Henderson and McGinn.

Had Hanlon and McGeouch been fit we would have won a cup double. I'm certain of that.

[hibsbollah]

Hibs midfield that day was Bartley, Thomson, Henderson and McGinn.

Had Hanlon and McGeouch been fit we would have won a cup double. I'm certain of that.

We still should have done. An absolute sickener of a finale that had me thinking that we always continue to bottle major finals.

[J-C]

Pretty sure he never played in that game. May have played right of a midfield diamond in other games but don’t ever remember playing wide right for Hibs.


Hibs midfield that day was Bartley, Thomson, Henderson and McGinn.

Had Hanlon and McGeouch been fit we would have won a cup double. I'm certain of that.


You're right my memory deceived me, it was the 0-1 loss to Falkirk the season before in the Scottish cup semi, I remember thinking he was so lost out on the right, Falkirk started to be a bogie team for us. Stubbs played a back 3 with Dylan and Lewis as wingbacks.

[1van Sprou7e]

He played on the right in the cup final. Fyvie was Stubbs' preference for the holding role with McGinn on the left and McGeouch on the right of the diamond.

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It was a relatively fluid midfield but I'd say McGeouch was the holder in that game, with McGinn left and Fyvie right

In any case, he certainly wasn't playing "wide right"

[WeeRussell]

You're right my memory deceived me, it was the 0-1 loss to Falkirk the season before in the Scottish cup semi, I remember thinking he was so lost out on the right, Falkirk started to be a bogie team for us. Stubbs played a back 3 with Dylan and Lewis as wingbacks.

I thought you were right about R County at first too.. right enough it was the Falkirk game. I remember thinking at the time it was a pretty poor effort from Dylan at stopping the ball coming in for a goal. Definitely wasn’t his best game for us that’s for sure.

[MWHIBBIES]

He played on the right in the cup final. Fyvie was Stubbs' preference for the holding role with McGinn on the left and McGeouch on the right of the diamond.

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Right of a midfield diamond is very, very different from wide right.

[scoopyboy]

Hibs midfield that day was Bartley, Thomson, Henderson and McGinn.

Had Hanlon and McGeouch been fit we would have won a cup double. I'm certain of that.

And Fraser Fyvie who got crocked at Greenock by an idiot late on in a midweek game

[EI255]

He continues to make bad decisions. The Sunderland move certainly made sense financially but a player like Dylan was never going to prosper in League One even without his dubious injury record.

Hibs have moved on. He will not be back.Totally agree.

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[basehibby]

Mc Geuoch.
Do you think we dodged a bullet with not bringing him back.

Not in the slightest - he's still a good player, even if he's not got into his stride at Sunderland or at Aberdeen (yet). Failing to land him was in no way a disaster for Hibs though - because there are other good players out there. Newall for example will quite probably eclipse McGeogh in the pantheon of Hibee mythology if he continues on his recent run of form.

I think this episode demonstrates very well however, how football fans tend to build up players into messiah like figures when they do well for them such that the legend outgrows reality.

[LeithMike]

Right of a midfield diamond is very, very different from wide right.Not really. Right midfield/wide right are pretty much the same in my view. I didn't suggest he was a right winger, but as other posters have pointed out, Stubbs did deploy him as a right wing back on occasion.


Regardless, he wasnt nearly as effective on the right as he was at the base. I still remember Raith Rovers away in the 2016 cup run with Hibs toiling until Stubbs switched Fyvie and McGeouch. McGeouch at the base immediately gave Hibs impetus and control of the game and it goes to show that McGeouch was far more effective as the holding player than anywhere else in the midfield. I was shocked that Stubbs never seemed to learn from this but it just goes to show how many a manager haven't got the best out of Dylan.






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[MWHIBBIES]

Not really. Right midfield/wide right are pretty much the same in my view. I didn't suggest he was a right winger, but as other posters have pointed out, Stubbs did deploy him as a right wing back on occasion.


Regardless, he wasnt nearly as effective on the right as he was at the base. I still remember Raith Rovers away in the 2016 cup run with Hibs toiling until Stubbs switched Fyvie and McGeouch. McGeouch at the base immediately gave Hibs impetus and control of the game and it goes to show that McGeouch was far more effective as the holding player than anywhere else in the midfield. I was shocked that Stubbs never seemed to learn from this but it just goes to show how many a manager haven't got the best out of Dylan.






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Dylan definitely didn't once play wide right for Hibs. I don't even think the right wing back this is true, didn't Gray play in that semi?

Right of a diamond is still a central midfielder, just on the right side.

[supermcginn]

Dylan definitely didn't once play wide right for Hibs. I don't even think the right wing back this is true, didn't Gray play in that semi?

Right of a diamond is still a central midfielder, just on the right side.
He 100 percent played right wing back in the falkirk semi and he was awful. Gray was injured.

[LeithMike]

Right of a diamond is still a central midfielder, just on the right side.

Disagree with that as the person on the right hand side of a diamond is usually expected to provide width in the forward areas. Regardless of whether the right hand side of a diamond is central or right midfield (I dont believe it's an exact science), it's certainly not Dylan's best position - which was the point being made.

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[chrisski33]

Is this not a re run of at least 2 previous threads, boring.

Yes tgink admins should merge the threads. Been done to death now. Move on. Dylan has

[The Modfather]

Disagree with that as the person on the right hand side of a diamond is usually expected to provide width in the forward areas. Regardless of whether the right hand side of a diamond is central or right midfield (I dont believe it's an exact science), it's certainly not Dylan's best position - which was the point being made.

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Agree with this. He also played left of a diamond in the Aberdeen semi but was our sole width on the left, and unsurprisingly, was like playing with 10 men until Lennon changed it. I could never understand Stubbs & Lennon trying time shoehorn McGeough into positions he clearly wasn’t suited to before he became our fulcrum just in front of the defence.

[angus hibby]

Disagree with that as the person on the right hand side of a diamond is usually expected to provide width in the forward areas. Regardless of whether the right hand side of a diamond is central or right midfield (I dont believe it's an exact science), it's certainly not Dylan's best position - which was the point being made.

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Disagree. If you set up with a midfield diamond, it’s to create overloads in the central area of the pitch. Width should come from the full backs if you play that formation.

[MWHIBBIES]

Disagree with that as the person on the right hand side of a diamond is usually expected to provide width in the forward areas. Regardless of whether the right hand side of a diamond is central or right midfield (I dont believe it's an exact science), it's certainly not Dylan's best position - which was the point being made.

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Dylan played many games on the right of a diamond and was really good.

Gattuso and Ambrosini played years on the right and left of a diamond for Milan, they certainly didn't provide width. They were central midfielders. That is generally how the system is played and it is how Hibs played it.