Famous Five Lower update - Since 1875

[hibsboy69]

The Since 1875 lads should be encouraged

Young, innovative, energetic and they generate a great atmosphere at Easter Road !

When they were in The East the atmosphere at our ground was the envy of all the away fans

I thought the days of Hibs scoring PR "own goals" were over ?

Farce

P.S What happened to the recent Since 1875 poll where the fans were asked where we'd like them to move to ?

WE ARE ALL SINCE 1875

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[HibeeHibernian4]

Aye so it does ........ how's that been going for us since the 1950s? With the notable exception of Mowbray's team up until 2016 we spent 40 odd years raving about a team whose sole tangible achievement was a single solitary league cup. I know there was more to them than that, but if you measure success in trophies then they ultimately failed.

If on field success is fleeting at best how do you make your club an attractive prospect for kids and floating potential supporters? You make the games it plays worth attending for the whole experience and when on field success is far from guaranteed what its stadiums atmosphere is like and the reputation of its support become major factors.

Any football fan worth their salt knows about St Pauli .... what have they won, were is their reputation for exciting football? Every fan knows about the 'Yellow wall' which attracts tourist fans from all around the world to watch Dortmund, not their exciting football or trophy laden cabinet.

Its difficult and expensive to achieve on field success, not to mention a decent slice of luck being required for a club like us. What you can influence relatively inexpensively and without luck being involved is what your club is like to support and how much its fans identify with it ... As a fan if you can't bum about your clubs on field success the next best thing is to be part of a support which is admired by other fans for the backing they give it. Young fans want to be part of a support with a good reputation for the backing their team.

If we were to seriously work on this as a club and support we would leave Hearts trailing as the club of choice in Edinburgh .... the fact that we don't recognise that fact as a club frustrates the hell out of me, with the one bright light in the whole thing being that the current owners of Hearts appear to be as woeful in this area as Hibs are. Heaven help us if they wake up before we do.

This is all excellent and I agree completely with it.

Here’s the other point I’d make. We can assemble a great squad and, sure, the atmosphere might improve for a bit as the results are better and fans are happier. But that isn’t sustainable. Soon enough, Celtic, Rangers and about forty clubs from down south come circling, and those players move on.

What can’t those clubs take away from us? An active support that, as you say, attracts future generations and improves the match going experience at Easter Road. It seems like such a no brainer to me. Events on the park can’t always be controlled, in the pecking order of modern football we’re at the mercy of clubs with more money. Why aren’t we trying to take advantage of what we can control?

[hibsboy69]

This is all excellent and I agree completely with it.

Here’s the other point I’d make. We can assemble a great squad and, sure, the atmosphere might improve for a bit as the results are better and fans are happier. But that isn’t sustainable. Soon enough, Celtic, Rangers and about forty clubs from down south come circling, and those players move on.

What can’t those clubs take away from us? An active support that, as you say, attracts future generations and improves the match going experience at Easter Road. It seems like such a no brainer to me. Events on the park can’t always be controlled, in the pecking order of modern football we’re at the mercy of clubs with more money. Why aren’t we trying to take advantage of what we can control?

Nail on head !

Hear hear - well said :aok:

[NAE NOOKIE]

This is all excellent and I agree completely with it.

Here’s the other point I’d make. We can assemble a great squad and, sure, the atmosphere might improve for a bit as the results are better and fans are happier. But that isn’t sustainable. Soon enough, Celtic, Rangers and about forty clubs from down south come circling, and those players move on.

What can’t those clubs take away from us? An active support that, as you say, attracts future generations and improves the match going experience at Easter Road. It seems like such a no brainer to me. Events on the park can’t always be controlled, in the pecking order of modern football we’re at the mercy of clubs with more money. Why aren’t we trying to take advantage of what we can control?

Me and you are singing from the same hymn sheet mate :aok:

The highlighted bit is the crux of this .... with the active support of the club and a willingness by it to recognise the undoubted worth of a support and stadium atmosphere folk want to be part of we could steal a march on Hearts that they would struggle to claw back when it comes to attracting future supporters and enthusing the ones we already have. With Budge in charge over the road we still have time to exploit this area to attract future fans both clubs will be competing for.

If we do nothing and the fans do take control of Hearts I doubt they will be so inactive on the subject .... I look at Tynecastle and I see a stadium absolutely set up for a kop like fans section .... rip out the seats in the Gorgie Road stand, chuck in 3000 rail seats and like it or not you would have the best kop stand in Scotland, its absolutely made for it. Like I said, thankfully Budge cant see it, but I'm willing to bet 90% of the folk who contribute to Foundation of Hearts can.

[lyonhibs]

I accept your point completely, Hibs should never price out young kids from attending and I'm really pleased at what we've done to make football more affordable for families attending with their children.

But here's one issue I have with some clubs' pricing strategies for kids, and it's not a complaint at our club specifically, it goes on across the country. I'll use an example in our division - Motherwell, a club who are rightly applauded for some of the fantastic community work that they do. For January's game at Fir Park, their prices were as followed; adults: £24, over-65s, students and 16-18 year olds: £17, under 16s: £3.

Now yes, the fact you can take your child for £3 to a game is fantastic, and should be applauded. But let's look at this realistically, do the majority of our regular away supporters take young children to every away game? No. Who are the key demographic that go to away games? I'd personally say 16-30 year olds, in terms of those who stand, sing and make an atmosphere. So if you're 16-18, you're paying £17 for a ticket, which is quite a lot considering many won't be in any sort of full-time employment at that age. And then if you're 19 years old, you're suddenly looking at paying a sum of £24 to see a bog-standard Premiership game in Scotland.

I don't dislike cheap kids tickets, but I am acutely aware of the fact that they sometimes seem to be used to cover for poor adult pricing. Wouldn't it be better if Motherwell charged £20 for an adult and £7 for an under 16? So yes to cheap family pricing, but equally let's be vigilant against clubs using good publicity from that as a means to increasing adult tickets on the quiet year-on-year.

I agree with the principle entirely, I'd go as far as to say that 12-16 (or 18) year olds should have a price category of their own that falls between adult and child, and if that meant bumping up the full adult price by a couple of quid, then so be it.

[ABZHFC]

https://twitter.com/1875_since/status/1232771592012386305

Doesn't look like any 'toys out the pram' stuff to me, good on them for keeping a level head despite their obvious (and justified) frustrations with the status quo. Hope they do their best to help the atmosphere on Friday night and help the team through to Hampden

[SteveHFC]

Hibernian FC will trial a singing section in the Famous Five Lower Tier for the Club’s European matches this season.

Great news

[Nicho87]

Great news. Make it loud and make it happen permanently.

Well done the board imo.

Has to happen now

[Lancs Harp]

Hibernian FC will trial a singing section in the Famous Five Lower Tier for the Club’s European matches this season.

Great news

Good news, but why another trial?

[SHODAN]

Hibernian FC will trial a singing section in the Famous Five Lower Tier for the Club’s European matches this season.

Great news

Great stuff. Any idea where the family section would be moved to if this went ahead permanently?

[Garymcl]

Yee ha I’m in better not tell my grandaughter that her 63 year old grandad gonna be joining in in all seriousness excellent news forward thinking by the club again :flag::flag:

[Jones28]

Good news, but why another trial?

Get it fuller I suppose?

IIRC the only time they've been in the lower was in the kids Euro games and a cup game from 2020 against ICT?

[DH1875]

Hope we get some sort of run going as not much of a trial if only 2 games and one if them is against a team from Andorra.

[Moulin Yarns]

Hope we get some sort of run going as not much of a trial if only 2 games and one if them is against a team from Andorra.

'Mon the vikings from the faeroes 😉

[NAE NOOKIE]

Good news, but why another trial?

Pretty sure it was just a couple of blocks the last few times ... this time its the whole FF lower. I doubt we'll get 2000 fans in it given the opposition, but 1000 would be good with the hope that that builds as we progress through the rounds :greengrin

[Ringothedog]

Great stuff. Any idea where the family section would be moved to if this went ahead permanently?

Anybody in the lower tier would just be integrated into the other 2 stands. In effect there would be no family stand. IMO there is no need for one.

[Steve-O]

Anybody in the lower tier would just be integrated into the other 2 stands. In effect there would be no family stand. IMO there is no need for one.

Tend to agree. I remember in the late 80s / early 90s it was just a few hundred seats, later morphed into an entire stand, or half of one.

Kinda pointless now you mention it.

You can just have family tickets in selected sections of the ground.

[Not In The Know]

Good news, but why another trial?

Club need to be pretty blunt on this. “We’d love to have the signing section behind the goals, but we ain’t sure we can trust the (very small minority of) bampots not to throw **** at the opposition or run on the pitch.

[Pretty Boy]

Another trial makes sense.

We had the unofficial one at the LC game a few seasons back then a couple at the youth games last season. Extending that to a 1st team game (officially) is the next logical step, particularly as it will now take in the entire lower tier.

It's really up the the people who want this to work to make sure it does. That means getting a big crowd into the section and self policing a bit so 1 or 2 don't **** it up for everybody.

Hopefully it's a success.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Have just purchased, biit disappointed no window of opportunity for FF Lower ST Holders to purchase own seats.

[hibee1875]

Have just purchased, biit disappointed no window of opportunity for FF Lower ST Holders to purchase own seats.

That’s been the case with all ST seats. Tickets are only on sale to STH atm but mines have already gone

[Nakedmanoncrack]

That’s been the case with all ST seats. Tickets are only on sale to STH atm but mines have already gone


Are you sure?
Looks to be a lot of seats not available for sale in the other stands.

[hibee1875]

Are you sure?
Looks to be a lot of seats not available for sale in the other stands.

Yea just realised I couldn’t buy my seat as Hibs had already reserved it for me 🙈

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Yea just realised I couldn’t buy my seat as Hibs had already reserved it for me 🙈

:greengrin

That explains it, thought there's no way that many seats sold already in East & West.
Point re FF still stands though, would have been good to have choice of own seats, though we haven't had to move far.

[Blaster]

Surely the season ticket priority window should be until Friday 21st once we know the definite date?

Some folk can maybe make one date but not the other due to holidays.

[hibee_girl]

Surely the season ticket priority window should be until Friday 21st once we know the definite date?

Some folk can maybe make one date but not the other due to holidays.

I can't make the 27th but could make the 3rd for that reason but I've bought my ticket anyway.

If it's the 27th then I'll give to someone who can make it.

[bod]

Club need to be pretty blunt on this. “We’d love to have the signing section behind the goals, but we ain’t sure we can trust the (very small minority of) bampots not to throw **** at the opposition or run on the pitch.

Keep the warm up nets up for the whole game till they behave themselves

[GreenGray]

Great news, this is a forward step to creating a good atmosphere at Easter Road.

Just hope there is a good uptake from the fans.


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[wookie70]

Sales look very poor in the FFL but very good every where else. That is my fear as I think the build it and they will come approach may work in time but there are far more being displaced than those who may replace them. The lads from Block 7 do their bit with the atmosphere but they are a pretty small group. Absolutely no issue doing it for games where your ST doesn't guarantee your seat though as then we are all equal. Let's see how it goes but early signs aren't great

[B.H.F.C]

Sales look very poor in the FFL but very good every where else. That is my fear as I think the build it and they will come approach may work in time but there are far more being displaced than those who may replace them. The lads from Block 7 do their bit with the atmosphere but they are a pretty small group. Absolutely no issue doing it for games where your ST doesn't guarantee your seat though as then we are all equal. Let's see how it goes but early signs aren't great

All ST seats in the Famous Five Upper, East and West are reserved until Tuesday. So although they’re not available online just now, loads of them will still be unsold. Can’t imagine there will be any rush for anyone to buy tickets for this one, especially not knowing when game is.

[CapitalGreen]

Sales look very poor in the FFL but very good every where else. That is my fear as I think the build it and they will come approach may work in time but there are far more being displaced than those who may replace them. The lads from Block 7 do their bit with the atmosphere but they are a pretty small group. Absolutely no issue doing it for games where your ST doesn't guarantee your seat though as then we are all equal. Let's see how it goes but early signs aren't great

It’s always going to be a long process as it grows organically, nobody should be expecting it to be full straight away.

The first image below is Celtic Green Brigade in 2006 when they first started congregating in their corner section.

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Then in 2014 showing an increase in numbers:

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article4532620.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS49676628.jpg

Now the whole corner section is occupied by the GB and they are lobbying for the whole lower tier behind the goals to be safe standing as demand is so high.

[Up-the-slope]

Club need to be pretty blunt on this. “We’d love to have the signing section behind the goals, but we ain’t sure we can trust the (very small minority of) bampots not to throw **** at the opposition or run on the pitch.

I know the aim is about atmosphere primarily ( virtually all clubs home goal end stand is the primary / traditionally one that is fuller with more singing etc - and certainly in days before all seated stadiums) but also most of the in ground issues are in the corner where baiting and chucking stuff at away end happens most frequently - i'm sure stewards / police would prefer they end up far away from each other (and the club from a sanctions point of view) if this goes permanent so win win

[Up-the-slope]

I can't make the 27th but could make the 3rd for that reason but I've bought my ticket anyway.

If it's the 27th then I'll give to someone who can make it.

Its hard for people making plans - but think about club staff trying to arrange tickets / selling hospitality / arranging stewards etc with no clear opponent or date

[Pete70]

I’m all for giving this a try but please don’t throw stuff on the pitch

[PHeffernan]

I know the aim is about atmosphere primarily ( virtually all clubs home goal end stand is the primary / traditionally one that is fuller with more singing etc - and certainly in days before all seated stadiums) but also most of the in ground issues are in the corner where baiting and chucking stuff at away end happens most frequently - i'm sure stewards / police would prefer they end up far away from each other (and the club from a sanctions point of view) if this goes permanent so win win

Agreed, maximum space between the young opposing supporters and a better atmosphere is a winner for all.

[Since452]

It's the best way to attract youngsters along to Easter Road. It's all about the "ultras" groups these days. Encourage them to be visible and vocal. I'm too old for that now but I'm all for it. Can't afford stone island gear with mortgage prices going up 😂 Hearts and Aberdeen have moved them behind the goals. Pity we have to wait for the same for the league games.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Only 20 tickets left in middle block of ~420 with another ~100 sold in each of the sections either side of it. Positive start particularly when seeing the sales in rest of the stadium. Hopefully keeps filling up with 2 weeks to go.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Approx. 700/1200 now sold for this with middle block completely sold out. Should pick-up further going into next week as game approaches, also month end pay day for some. Bound to be an improvement having that number packed in together who have chosen to be part of it.

https://i.ibb.co/7kDw8Rg/IMG-8739.jpg (https://ibb.co/HhyW1xN)

[Since452]

Approx. 700/1200 now sold for this with middle block completely sold out. Should pick-up further going into next week as game approaches, also month end pay day for some. Bound to be an improvement having that number packed in together who have chosen to be part of it.

This is all the evidence needed.

[Nicho87]

Please behave yourselves

No jumping on the pitch
Chucking flare types on the pitch

Just be loud and joyful

Really looking forward to it being a permanent arrangement

[NAE NOOKIE]

Please behave yourselves

No jumping on the pitch
Chucking flare types on the pitch

Just be loud and joyful

Really looking forward to it being a permanent arrangement

Indeed ... I've specifically given my usual seat in the FF upper a miss for this one so I can sit in the east to see what sort of an effect the singing section has. I don't want that effect to include a fine from UEFA :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

Tickets look like they’re selling quite well in the FFL. Looking like we’ll sell the 3 sections initially opened at least. Funnily enough, the crap result last night will actually help sales seen as there’s something on the game now.