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steelendhibs
22-02-2020, 07:06 PM
Was it just that we had to use forward thinking players that he didn’t get on, as opposed to last week that we were trying to hold on to a lead? Can’t imagine Slivka will keep him out of the team for much longer? Bit of a waste of what might be a fairly big wage if he isn’t played that often. Wonder if he was at the forefront or Jack Ross’ mind, as I am pretty sure he said that it was Graham Mathie who text him to sign on again. Maybe also a victim of the unexpected swap deal that let us acquire Docherty. Just seems too good a player (and too high a wage earner) to be an unused sub

DaveF
22-02-2020, 07:07 PM
I'm amazed Slivka gets a place ahead of him. Baffling decision by Ross IMO.

Vault Boy
22-02-2020, 07:08 PM
Must surely come in for Slivka from now on.

green with envy
22-02-2020, 07:10 PM
I'm amazed Slivka gets a place ahead of him. Baffling decision by Ross IMO.

Sticking with a winning team etc.

Ozyhibby
22-02-2020, 07:19 PM
I can’t see what Ross sees in Slivka over Omeonga.


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BoomtownHibees
22-02-2020, 07:21 PM
I can’t see what Ross sees in Slivka over Omeonga.


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Probably that we’ve won the last 2 with him in the team

coldingham hibs
22-02-2020, 07:23 PM
Absolutely mental not playing Omeonga. Can’t believe when Allan went off that Docherty wasn’t put in his position and Omeonga on to sit. Bizarre substitutions.

Robbo6-2
22-02-2020, 07:25 PM
Very strange that Slivka is playing in front of him.

We missed omeonga industry today, we looked totally flat

Sammy7nil
22-02-2020, 07:26 PM
What ever the question is Slivka will seldom be the correct answer. No blame today but he has had his chances and proved he is not good enough.

Tyler Durden
22-02-2020, 07:34 PM
Absolutely mental not playing Omeonga. Can’t believe when Allan went off that Docherty wasn’t put in his position and Omeonga on to sit. Bizarre substitutions.

The substitutions didn’t help today IMO and it was a bit unfair on Gullan and Murray that they were moved 2/3 times in the space of 30 minutes. Gullan would’ve been more effective if he came on for McNulty.

Tyler Durden
22-02-2020, 07:36 PM
Also find it bizarre that we’re starting Slivka ahead of Omeonga.

I would also have put Omeonga in at LWB ahead of Stevenson, who continues to slow the game down terribly at times. Omeonga would’ve been better going forward and would cope defensively IMO.

tamig
22-02-2020, 07:47 PM
We picked up hardly any second balls today. Omeonga is a master at that and I thought the game was crying out for him to come on. I was surprised he was left on the bench. Would have helped us out hugely today.

Feed McGraw
22-02-2020, 07:56 PM
Great wee player, mystified he didn`t feature today.

Bobby's Cinema
22-02-2020, 07:59 PM
I can only think Slivka was in there for a bigger physical presence against their perceived style?

But what Omeonga lacks in stature he makes up for in tenacity and getting about the pitch snapping at heels etc so even from that angle it’s a bit unclear

Clarence
22-02-2020, 08:18 PM
I can’t see what Ross sees in Slivka over Omeonga.


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It’s strange. Omeonga’s ball carrying ability would have been a good asset in trying to unpick Livi’s cattanaccio defence.

Radium
22-02-2020, 08:21 PM
Must admit it seemed to be a straightforward choice to have a bit more height in the team.


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coldingham hibs
22-02-2020, 08:24 PM
I can only think Slivka was in there for a bigger physical presence against their perceived style?

But what Omeonga lacks in stature he makes up for in tenacity and getting about the pitch snapping at heels etc so even from that angle it’s a bit unclear

Jack Ross has done a decent job so far but I hope Omeonga has a slight injury and that is why he is on the bench. Omeonga & Docherty together in midfield would be a handful for any opposition. It’s so obvious and so frustrating that it isn’t happening.

Nicho87
22-02-2020, 08:26 PM
Slivka cost us three goals I can’t count this season, fails to spot danger, or mark tightly

lord bunberry
22-02-2020, 08:29 PM
Slivka over Omeonga is something I didn’t get either. Omeonga always produces while Slivka flatters to deceive. Livingston are a big physical side and Omeonga was perfect for this game.

hibeerealist
22-02-2020, 08:31 PM
I'm amazed Slivka gets a place ahead of him. Baffling decision by Ross IMO.


I would say worrying rather than amazed Dave, can’t think of what he’s thinking on that one. Also, I want our kids to get first team football but to bring Murray on today was not his best decision either when he had Omeonga on the bench, ball needed to be played on the deck and Omeonga does just that.

hibeerealist
22-02-2020, 08:38 PM
Must admit it seemed to be a straightforward choice to have a bit more height in the team.


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Ha ha, you couldny get a paper under his feet when he “jumps” so no advantage playing Slivka for his height!!

He really is an under achiever who frustrates the life out of me, he has all the attributes but zero heart for the fight plus switches off frequently. Sorry but I think we should get rid, should have before now maybe can’t get anyone to take him off our hands.

Cant get it that there appear to be so many of our fans think he is a top player who is underrated!

Nicho87
22-02-2020, 08:40 PM
Slivka cost us three goals I can’t count this season, fails to spot danger, or mark tightly

adhibs
22-02-2020, 08:41 PM
Must admit it seemed to be a straightforward choice to have a bit more height in the team.


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That's been my thoughts too. Surely it's time now for that height to be sacrificed for quality

MWHIBBIES
22-02-2020, 08:49 PM
Slivka wasn't the issue today. He's been better than Scott Allan for weeks now. He's the one who can sit for Omeonga.

DavidDavidGray
22-02-2020, 08:50 PM
Arguably our best midfielder and he’s getting dropped for Vykintas Slivka. Absolutely baffling.

Radium
22-02-2020, 08:52 PM
Ha ha, you couldny get a paper under his feet when he “jumps” so no advantage playing Slivka for his height!!

He really is an under achiever who frustrates the life out of me, he has all the attributes but zero heart for the fight plus switches off frequently. Sorry but I think we should get rid, should have before now maybe can’t get anyone to take him off our hands.

Cant get it that there appear to be so many of our fans think he is a top player who is underrated!

I don’t think he will get offered another contract because he hasn’t shown that he deserves one. He is still on the books so available.

Boyle, Allan and McNulty are not great defensively against height so can see why Omeonga missed out.

My preference would have been Whitaker rather than Slivka given recent performances




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Fuzzywuzzy
22-02-2020, 09:00 PM
Slivka for his size, is a *****bag. refuses to challenge and sits off the opponent

The 90+2
22-02-2020, 09:01 PM
I’m all for not changing a winning team but it was obvious that the change was needed even at half time.

The Wireless
22-02-2020, 09:08 PM
Aye we picked up the wrong Dominoes with the changes today. Not the worse result and I am not one who thinks it was the poor performance some will say under very difficult conditions. Onto next Friday.:flag::flag:

shamo9
22-02-2020, 09:14 PM
I don’t think he will get offered another contract because he hasn’t shown that he deserves one. He is still on the books so available.

Boyle, Allan and McNulty are not great defensively against height so can see why Omeonga missed out.

My preference would have been Whitaker rather than Slivka given recent performances




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I've read on here multiple times that he rejected a new contract months ago and will leave at the end of the season. It could be nonsense. I prefer Omeonga anyway.

Unseen work
22-02-2020, 09:15 PM
Chill, he kept a winning team.

Omeonga will be in for him next week.

Smartie
22-02-2020, 09:51 PM
Today was vintage Slivka - some really nice touches, the odd decent pass and occasionally wriggling out of tight areas.

Then there were long spells where he was anonymous, several times where he switched off altogether and a number of times where he was sloppy in possession.

An inconsistent mixed bag that promised much in places but ultimately flattered to deceive.

Slivka - in a nutshell.

The 90+2
22-02-2020, 09:55 PM
Today was vintage Slivka - some really nice touches, the odd decent pass and occasionally wriggling out of tight areas.

Then there were long spells where he was anonymous, several times where he switched off altogether and a number of times where he was sloppy in possession.

An inconsistent mixed bag that promised much in places but ultimately flattered to deceive.

Slivka - in a nutshell.

Yep. I still have the small belief he will improve but have been waiting for this to happen for 2 years odds now.

BILLYHIBS
22-02-2020, 09:57 PM
Penny for Omeongas thoughts today but it is a marathon not a sprint we have a small squad and have a lot of important games coming up and we need everyone to play their part.

He’ll be back fresh and ready to go

Dmas
22-02-2020, 10:01 PM
Tin hat time....I don’t think omeonga has done anything to warrant a starting place, think he’s been quite poor since signing tbh agree Slivka not the answer either but I’m not sure the wee man makes us any better

The 90+2
22-02-2020, 10:03 PM
Tin hat time....I don’t think omeonga has done anything to warrant a starting place, think he’s been quite poor since signing tbh agree Slivka not the answer either but I’m not sure the wee man makes us any better

Neither has Slivka thought

Omeonga is still trying to get up to speed with games having been rusty since he left us. Slivka is the football equivalent of drizzle.

Dmas
22-02-2020, 10:11 PM
Neither has Slivka thought

Omeonga is still trying to get up to speed with games having been rusty since he left us. Slivka is the football equivalent of drizzle.

I agreed slivka’s not the answer, I’d prefer someone else in his place than omeonga on recent performance though, maybe Whittaker to hold and let the others push on a bit, maybe even give Murray a run of games in a central position to see if he can hold a place down.

I’m just not convinced by omeonga as others are, a great wee guy really took to us yes but he’s not done much on the pitch for me, I can see why JR isn’t using him at the moment

BILLYHIBS
22-02-2020, 10:13 PM
Tin hat time....I don’t think omeonga has done anything to warrant a starting place, think he’s been quite poor since signing tbh agree Slivka not the answer either but I’m not sure the wee man makes us any better

Was thinking the same

Looks exactly the same Omeonga that we had before busy nicks balls off opposition players but offers little in the final third

Sure he provided a cross for a headed goal a few games back though?

Still early days and a lot of football still to be played

danhibees1875
22-02-2020, 10:13 PM
Tin hat time....I don’t think omeonga has done anything to warrant a starting place, think he’s been quite poor since signing tbh agree Slivka not the answer either but I’m not sure the wee man makes us any better

I've every faith in Omeonga, but I agree with you.

The couple of times I've seen him recently I've thought he's not done much.

I can understand why he wasn't considered to have done enough to change a winning a team.

coldingham hibs
22-02-2020, 10:22 PM
Tin hat time....I don’t think omeonga has done anything to warrant a starting place, think he’s been quite poor since signing tbh agree Slivka not the answer either but I’m not sure the wee man makes us any better

You must be watching a different game from me, Omeonga has been excellent and possibly the best midfielder in all the games he has played. We can’t have every player being a creative player and nobody doing the dirty work. FWIW I think Scott Allan has been really poor for several games now and I’d prefer him on the bench to Omeonga. Opinions though.

lord bunberry
22-02-2020, 10:27 PM
Tin hat time....I don’t think omeonga has done anything to warrant a starting place, think he’s been quite poor since signing tbh agree Slivka not the answer either but I’m not sure the wee man makes us any better
He’s done more in a couple of games to show he’s a better option than Slivka.

Greenbeard
22-02-2020, 10:49 PM
He’s done more in a couple of games to show he’s a better option than Slivka.
Not seen today but agree. Nippy sweety so he is. Baffledest of the baffled that Slivka got to start again after being so obviously p155 poor (again) v Killie.

Booked4Being-Ugly
22-02-2020, 11:32 PM
Tin hat time....I don’t think omeonga has done anything to warrant a starting place, think he’s been quite poor since signing tbh agree Slivka not the answer either but I’m not sure the wee man makes us any better

Jeez, what games are you watching?

Smartie
23-02-2020, 04:56 AM
Ross was right to stick with the winning team but Omeonga needs to come in for the next game.

loanheadhibby
23-02-2020, 06:58 AM
Maybe Jack Ross does not rate Omeonga?

The Modfather
23-02-2020, 07:00 AM
Was thinking the same

Looks exactly the same Omeonga that we had before busy nicks balls off opposition players but offers little in the final third

Sure he provided a cross for a headed goal a few games back though?

Still early days and a lot of football still to be played

Omeonga isn’t the the kind of player that’s meant to offer much in the final 3rd IMO, that’s why we have Scott Allan. His attributes are his energy, and ability to nick the ball. McGeouch never offered anything in the final 3rd but was excellent for us. Not all midfielders should be judged on the final 3rd IMO.

BILLYHIBS
23-02-2020, 07:11 AM
Omeonga isn’t the the kind of player that’s meant to offer much in the final 3rd IMO, that’s why we have Scott Allan. His attributes are his energy, and ability to nick the ball. McGeouch never offered anything in the final 3rd but was excellent for us. Not all midfielders should be judged on the final 3rd IMO.

Maybe but it would be nice if he could chip in

Provided an assist a few weeks back ( Doidge equaliser versus St Mirren) and remember him driving us forward on many occasions during his last spell

I remember one in particular when he “fouled “ The Rangers player outside our box drove up the the park with the ball and we scored as a direct result with Slippy G throwing his toys out the pram

I also remember Dylan scoring a cracking goal in the semi versus Aberdeen injuring himself in the celebration

Maybes Omeonga will come back thinking to himself he now needs to make himself undroppable by making a more positive contribution

I get he is not fully match fit

bigwheel
23-02-2020, 07:15 AM
Omeonga isn’t the the kind of player that’s meant to offer much in the final 3rd IMO, that’s why we have Scott Allan. His attributes are his energy, and ability to nick the ball. McGeouch never offered anything in the final 3rd but was excellent for us. Not all midfielders should be judged on the final 3rd IMO.

He does have a pass in him too...remember his ball for McNulty winner up in Perth last season ? Outstanding ....

Todi114
23-02-2020, 07:17 AM
I think Jack Ross choosing to put 2 young players on at a time when the game was at a critical stage shows he has confidence in these players to be first team regulars
it also dispels the myth that he is a cautious manager

1620
23-02-2020, 08:18 AM
Tin hat time....I don’t think omeonga has done anything to warrant a starting place, think he’s been quite poor since signing tbh agree Slivka not the answer either but I’m not sure the wee man makes us any better

I read yesterday that there is a 6ft 2in Estonian international defensive midfielder training with Hibs at the moment. Maybe JR thinks he will have another option available to him!

Since452
23-02-2020, 08:21 AM
I didn't see the need to change a winning team tbh. If Omeonga wants a starting place he'll need to force his way in to the team like he did very well the last time. He may end up getting his chance on Friday

Since90+2
23-02-2020, 08:29 AM
Slivka is pish. Always has been.


He's powderpuff and fairly rarely puts his stamp on a game.

Eyrie
23-02-2020, 09:41 AM
He does have a pass in him too...remember his ball for McNulty winner up in Perth last season ? Outstanding ....
The "problem" with Omeonga is that we have to keep referring to that pass because he doesn't normally do anything like that. But it's not really a problem because that's not his role in the team.


Omeonga isn’t the the kind of player that’s meant to offer much in the final 3rd IMO, that’s why we have Scott Allan. His attributes are his energy, and ability to nick the ball. McGeouch never offered anything in the final 3rd but was excellent for us. Not all midfielders should be judged on the final 3rd IMO.
Agreed.

I'm warming to the 3-4-1-2 because McGinn and Hanlon can act as fullbacks to give us extra width when required. For that to work properly though we need a better defender than Slivka in midfield as cover, which means Omeonga who also improves our attacking options by allowing Docherty to play further forward.

MWHIBBIES
23-02-2020, 09:47 AM
Slivka is pish. Always has been.


He's powderpuff and fairly rarely puts his stamp on a game.

Nonsense. He is far from pish. Many good games for Hibs. Definitely more than bad. Might not be a starter long term but to call him pish is ridiculous.

Eyrie
23-02-2020, 10:01 AM
Nonsense. He is far from pish. Many good games for Hibs. Definitely more than bad. Might not be a starter long term but to call him pish is ridiculous.

Almost agreed.

Calling Slivka "pish" is as much an exaggeration as saying he has had "many" good games for Hibs, He's had a few, but definitely more anonymous than good.

I'm not bothered that he'll be moving on in the summer when his contract finishes.

Brightside
23-02-2020, 10:07 AM
Slivka plays as he will hold his position. And he did that well. Defensively he did very well. Unfortunately his passing was brutal once he got the ball.

BILLYHIBS
23-02-2020, 10:08 AM
I don’t think Slivka is pish

A neat tidy player with obvious ability and athleticism

Just maybe lacks the physicality required in the Scottish game and does not impose himself often enough or stamps his authority on games

Had more than enough chances would not be too fussed if he is moved on

Brightside
23-02-2020, 10:08 AM
Slivka is pish. Always has been.


He's powderpuff and fairly rarely puts his stamp on a game.

This post is Pish.

MWHIBBIES
23-02-2020, 10:18 AM
Almost agreed.

Calling Slivka "pish" is as much an exaggeration as saying he has had "many" good games for Hibs, He's had a few, but definitely more anonymous than good.

I'm not bothered that he'll be moving on in the summer when his contract finishes.

He has had many good games, though. Best player for weeks as Lennon was falling to bits, played most of Hecky's good run, played a good bit recently as Ross has got us going. Tremendous last time we beat Celtic at home.

number9dream
23-02-2020, 10:23 AM
Do we need Omeonga at home to Caley Thistle when we should be dominating possession? Not so sure. Against Hearts and away to Aberdeen, when we need to win the ball back and break up play, yes. Horses for courses.

KingPat4
23-02-2020, 10:25 AM
Steph is always available for a pass, rarely gives it away and great at nicking the ball from the opposition.

If he was creative too, then he wouldn't be at ER.

Dmas
23-02-2020, 11:22 AM
Jeez, what games are you watching?

Same ones as a few other posters it seems.

I’m not saying he’s hopeless and I’m not saying slivka is better, what I am saying is that since he’s RE-SIGNED he hasn’t done much to show he’s worth a start IMO

As for slivka, he’s been part of a team and change of tactic since the winter break that’s done well results wise, we can’t go chopping and changing when we’re playing poorly AND when we’re winning he’s earned a shot and the team have played well it’s up to the others to get the shirt off him now

Dmas
23-02-2020, 11:34 AM
You must be watching a different game from me, Omeonga has been excellent and possibly the best midfielder in all the games he has played. We can’t have every player being a creative player and nobody doing the dirty work. FWIW I think Scott Allan has been really poor for several games now and I’d prefer him on the bench to Omeonga. Opinions though.

Does omeonga do the dirty work? Power of running yes the odd tackle but he’s not charging about like the poor mans ****e, I don’t think he’s nailed down a position in the team or convinced anyone what his game actually is.

I do agree about Allan he’s needing a spell out the team been a while since he’s been performing well but with Mallan out I’m not sure who else could play in his position, maybe the wee man could play there

Edit : didn’t realise an issue with that players name little French chap from Chelsea :)

MrRobot
23-02-2020, 11:50 AM
Hope he gets back in the team soon