Famous Five Lower - Singing Section v ICT

[SquashedFrogg]

Yes, and currently those who sit there are blocking other long standing fans from sitting there.

Just because thats the way its always been, doesnt mean its for the best and should always be this way.

Like the regeneration of the stadium and knocking down of stands, you cant halt progress. We are missing an opportunity here, things can work better.

I hope KP takes a few suggestions to the table and we hear communication from the club on this. What's wrong with opening a consultation up on this? :agree:

(myself not part of either FFL or singing section)


Stadium regeneration is a very good point. Families were encouraged to use the FFL when it was built. The East was designed single tier (after fan consultation) specifically to improve atmosphere.

So we currently have a perfect area for parents bringing along the next gen of fans, and a lovely big stand where we can all sing and make noise.

It's almost as if it had all been planned.

[PatHead]

I think that the singing section should go back to the East. It would be a lot easier to encourage fans in the same stand to join in. As far as I remember a lot of the singing section moved back there last season.

The best atmosphere over the last few seasons was when you were all together.

Over time the total match day situation could be looked at.

[Slim Shady]

I think that the singing section should go back to the East. It would be a lot easier to encourage fans in the same stand to join in. As far as I remember a lot of the singing section moved back there last season.

The best atmosphere over the last few seasons was when you were all together.

Over time the total match day situation could be looked at.

Let’s wait and see what tonight’s AGM “stands” to bring up?

[hibbysam]

I think that the singing section should go back to the East. It would be a lot easier to encourage fans in the same stand to join in. As far as I remember a lot of the singing section moved back there last season.

The best atmosphere over the last few seasons was when you were all together.

Over time the total match day situation could be looked at.

I think if I remember correctly that a big reason they moved out of the east was to split the atmosphere around the stadium. The east will always try and create an atmosphere, but the guys were trying to get an atmosphere into the Famous 5 and round into the West. May be totally wrong but that’s the perception I got from the move.

[Peevemor]

The ideal would be to fill in the corner between the FF & the East, lower tier & safe standing only, do away with the gable cladding at the lower level and stick the singing section in there.

[Baldy]

Yes, and currently those who sit there are blocking other long standing fans from sitting there.

Just because thats the way its always been, doesnt mean its for the best and should always be this way.

so by your reckoning, I own my house so that means I'm blocking others living here.

do you think I should sell up my house just because someone new thinks they live in it, even though I'm quite happy with it?



just because the singing section, who have only been around a few years, think they deserve to be somewhere then people who have been there longer shouldn't have any right to stay where they've been for longer?

[hibbysam]

so by your reckoning, I own my house so that means I'm blocking others living here.

do you think I should sell up my house just because someone new thinks they live in it, even though I'm quite happy with it?



just because the singing section, who have only been around a few years, think they deserve to be somewhere then people who have been there longer shouldn't have any right to stay where they've been for longer?

Ron Gordon owns Easter road and if he wants a loud rowdy group staying in one of the rooms and Puts the family up in another room then that’s his choice.

[Peevemor]

Ron Gordon owns Easter road and if he wants a loud rowdy group staying in one of the rooms and Puts the family up in another room then that’s his choice.So you go along with his choice when it suits you, but will criticise when it doesn't?

[hibbysam]

So you go along with his choice when it suits you, but will criticise when it doesn't?

It doesn’t suit me though? It was a reply to a terrible analogy to show how terrible a point it was. I forgot that those of us who have ideas about how we would like the stadium to look are all wrong though. Just like the poster who agrees with me by hibs closing the FF for league cup group games, but makes some massive issue of us doing it for games in the future.

[Peevemor]

It doesn’t suit me though? It was a reply to a terrible analogy to show how terrible a point it was. I forgot that those of us who have ideas about how we would like the stadium to look are all wrong though. Just like the poster who agrees with me by hibs closing the FF for league cup group games, but makes some massive issue of us doing it for games in the future.You basically said that it's the owner who decides so fans being moved could either like it or lump it. Surely the same goes for the singing section?

[PatHead]

I think if I remember correctly that a big reason they moved out of the east was to split the atmosphere around the stadium. The east will always try and create an atmosphere, but the guys were trying to get an atmosphere into the Famous 5 and round into the West. May be totally wrong but that’s the perception I got from the move.
I think you are right but it hasn't worked so needs reviewing. In the meantime it would make sense to return to where it worked. I don't think you will ever get the West to join in. Never been the same since you couldn't stamp on the old wooden floorboards!

As long as you aren't chucking folk out their seats.

I have heard that a standing section may be introduced, let's see what happens.

[Hibbyradge]

It doesn’t suit me though? It was a reply to a terrible analogy to show how terrible a point it was. I forgot that those of us who have ideas about how we would like the stadium to look are all wrong though. Just like the poster who agrees with me by hibs closing the FF for league cup group games, but makes some massive issue of us doing it for games in the future.

I think there are 3 issues and people are confusing them.

1. The accommodation of the SS in the FF Lower on Friday.

1A. The closure of the upper tiers on Friday.

2. Future cup arrangements for ST holders

3.. The future positioning of the SS.

M views are;

1 and 1A. Neither should happen. People are used to the usual arrangements, tickets have been sold and there had been zero consultation in advance.

2. I think there could be an argument to ask ST holders to be prepared, on rare occasions, to buy a different seat, if the club's attendance crystal ball is working, and crowds are definitely going to be less than about 8000. That figure could be increased if Hibs used the lower tiers of the South.

I think it has its challenges though. One problem would be if a less able ST member couldn't get a lower tier seat. They shouldn't be expected to take a seat high up the East, for example. So, are we back to the first dibs thing or do we just tell them to take their chances?

Then there's the general scramble for the best seats and the subsequent shambles when everyone is trying to do so at the same time.

3. I don't particularly mind where they're situated, tbh, but if they can persuade the club that behind the goals would be good for the club longer term, then a consultation and information process needs to take place.

If there is any organisational change, there will be knock on effects. It's nowhere near as simple as some are suggesting.

The SS should be trying to take people with them rather than just assume that they're more important than any other group of fans. That arrogant and entitled attitude does the exact opposite.

[hibbysam]

You basically said that it's the owner who decides so fans being moved could either like it or lump it. Surely the same goes for the singing section?

In reply to the previous poster talking about him in his own house blocking others out, in reality Ron Gordon owns Easter road, not the singing section, or the family section, or any other section of fans for that point. So yes, the owner can make those choices, whichever section that may be. I have, however, not disputed that fact, nor have I said any section of fans have any given right to sit anywhere, it’s all up for debate and I’ve given my input into long term, but also short term for small cup ties. I don’t see the problem with that. I made an argument for upper tiers being closed, shouted down by a poster who said it is the right of every single STH to buy their own seat and always has been. I was backed up by the fact the club shut a stand in the summer, showing that anything is on the table. I have my opinion on both long term week in week out games, and also short term small attendance games. Folk on both sides saying they would stop attending or do this or that to the club if they weren’t given what they wanted are at it.

[Steve-O]

I’ve had the same seat since the East was built. I made an effort at the time to get seats that we were delighted with and I’m not sure we could get a much better seat. TBH, if I was told I was having to move because someone else wanted it, I’d be mightily pissed off. A small part of the reason that we’ve continually bought STs, even when it’s been absolutely ***** is because we don’t want to lose the seat.

Maybe it’s one of those things you need to go through to understand.

When the ground was a bit of a wreck I’d understand your point more, now, not so much really. I’ve had the same seat for maybe 2-3 years at a time previously, but in 20+ years of going I moved between the East, North and West Stands, and within those stands too. Had my preferences for one reason or another but can’t say I was ever so wedded to one seat that it’d upset me seriously to move.

[Steve-O]

Sense of entitlement?

They're entitled to sit in the seat they've paid for.

The entitlement is from the "we're better fans than you" folk who think they can demand to sit anywhere they want, whether they even have a regular seat or even if they're a now and again walk up.

And the club is entitled to move people around the stadium they own.

Aside from this week perhaps, my issue is that the club will not address this. Perhaps Ron Gordon will - the optics of that half empty family section behind the goal are not good. It needs addressed, and if that means from next season that people currently in there need to move, then I do not accept it cannot happen because auld Frankie and his pals have had a seat there since 1998 and could not possibly watch the game from one of 20,000 other places.

As for entitlement, you sound like one of those folk who will move folk out of your seats even if there are umpteen other empty seats around.

[Hibbyradge]

And the club is entitled to move people around the stadium they own.

Aside from this week perhaps, my issue is that the club will not address this. Perhaps Ron Gordon will - the optics of that half empty family section behind the goal are not good. It needs addressed, and if that means from next season that people currently in there need to move, then I do not accept it cannot happen because auld Frankie and his pals have had a seat there since 1998 and could not possibly watch the game from one of 20,000 other places.

As for entitlement, you sound like one of those folk who will move folk out of your seats even if there are umpteen other empty seats around.

What a strange comment. You've clearly missed the point of the discussion, but is it a bad thing for someone to expect the person who doesn't have a ticket for a seat to allow the person who does to sit in it?

Or was it just an opportunity to insult me again, for some reason that I don't understand?

[w pilton hibby]

What happens if the club moves the family section elsewhere, haul out all the seats, installs rail seating and the singing people decide that this still isn't the ideal location for their active fandom?

[Steve-O]

What a strange comment. You've clearly missed the point of the discussion, but is it a bad thing for someone to expect the person who doesn't have a ticket for a seat to allow the person who does to sit in it?

Or was it just an opportunity to insult me again, for some reason that I don't understand?

With a season ticket, perhaps not. I just happen to be irritated by people who wade through a bunch of empty seats clutching their ticket and tell people to move. Just sit wherever FFS. Anyway, off on a tangent.

[Mikey]

Behind the goals at Real Madrid looks impressive tonight with everyone wearing white.

[ABZHFC]

Behind the goals at Real Madrid looks impressive tonight with everyone wearing white.

But what about families!! :greengrin

[Steve-O]

But what about families!! :greengrin

Juan Smith had a season ticket for 40 year behind those goals and had to move tonight! He’s no gaun back.

[DTS]

I sit in the FF upper(not singing section) same seat forever and if I was to move I would be disappointed and miffed but I’d do it I’m now 23, if I’d been moved when I was under 16 and attending with parents I don’t think I’d have cared, from experience taking young family members to away games they always without fail want to be close to the singing section, therefor why would they “have” to move. I get an impression that this whole push back stems from the adults becoming accustomed to the people around them( I understand this as I said earlier) and potentially the cost element as well especially for families. I sat with my girlfriends family in the FF lower for the Hamilton game and there were more conversations around me about non footballing stuff during the game than actual chat about the game, I think the club could easily put in place similar pricing and a scheme to allow “football friends” a Pish term but can’t think of anything else for it to move together meaning the friendship element and pricing elements are offset? One derby win and your new seat would feel like home.

I fully support the singing section being in the FFL but this needs to be a gradual and considered approach probably already too late for next season. I think an idea could be to almost split the stand 2 blocks each and a neutral zone in the middle and gradually phase over the singing section as you’ll be able to judge how involved kids etc are in the other zones and if they do or don’t enjoy it. I think rangers do this as the union bears are over the far side and the rest of that stand potentially the upper tier maybe is the family zone. Seeing the club state about pricing structures may open up a more obvious solution to the issue as the family section may no longer be as a cheap or even option for discounts(I cannot see this but you never know).

[blackpoolhibs]

Behind the goals at Real Madrid looks impressive tonight with everyone wearing white.
I much prefer to see the odd kid scattered about and lots of empty seats. :wink:

[Steven79]

I much prefer to see the odd kid scattered about and lots of empty seats. :wink:[emoji23]

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[Pretty Boy]

You can always tell a thread has run it's course when it descends into even more petty squabbling than usual, thinly veiled insults and awful jokes.

18 pages and I don't think a single person has shown any inclination to change their mind on the matter. There's just no desire from a few people to even consider trying to see things from the other point of view. The whole 'debate' has been a pointless exercise really.

[ABZHFC]

You can always tell a thread has run it's course when it descends into even more petty squabbling than usual, thinly veiled insults and awful jokes.

18 pages and I don't think a single person has shown any inclination to change their mind on the matter. There's just no desire from a few people to even consider trying to see things from the other point of view. The whole 'debate' has been a pointless exercise really.

Because one side is wanting better for the club, by improving Easter Road's atmosphere, and the other side are saying "it's ma seat", not exactly surprising to see why not much movement is being made

[B.H.F.C]

I was/am a supporter of a move. But the singing section (as with the rest of the ground) is looking a bit empty for tomorrow as it stands.

[JeMeSouviens]

Looking like about a 9000-ish attendance tomorrow night.

Thu 27 Feb 11:30:35 GMT 2020
West
4102 not for sale
1895 available

FF
1574 not for sale
2227 available

East
3508 not for sale
2809 available

South
3949 not for sale
0 available


Total
13205 not for sale
6931 available

[B.H.F.C]

Looking like about a 9000-ish attendance tomorrow night.

Thu 27 Feb 11:30:35 GMT 2020
West
4102 not for sale
1895 available

FF
1574 not for sale
2227 available

East
3508 not for sale
2809 available

South
3949 not for sale
0 available


Total
13205 not for sale
6931 available

Think there will be quite a big walk up crowd tomorrow. If you account for the fact that some of those not for sale, probably haven’t ever been released for sale, we’ll have sold somewhere between 8-9k.

I reckon we’ll get up to about 12k.

[Billy Whizz]

Think there will be quite a big walk up crowd tomorrow. If you account for the fact that some of those not for sale, probably haven’t ever been released for sale, we’ll have sold somewhere between 8-9k.

I reckon we’ll get up to about 12k.

That would be good

[hibbyfraelibby]

With a season ticket, perhaps not. I just happen to be irritated by people who wade through a bunch of empty seats clutching their ticket and tell people to move. Just sit wherever FFS. Anyway, off on a tangent.

You must be a right laugh on a RyanAir flight...

[PatHead]

Because one side is wanting better for the club, by improving Easter Road's atmosphere, and the other side are saying "it's ma seat", not exactly surprising to see why not much movement is being made

Can you not give it a rest?

[Peevemor]

With a season ticket, perhaps not. I just happen to be irritated by people who wade through a bunch of empty seats clutching their ticket and tell people to move. Just sit wherever FFS. Anyway, off on a tangent.

I'm amazed at how thick and selfish some people can be.

If I take your advice and just sit somewhere else, what happens when the person who's seat I've taken turns up and wants it?

If I have an allocated seat for something - football, concert or anything else - and somebody is sitting in my seat then they get shifted. I start by asking politely but if the person wants to be a dick then I can out-dick anybody and there'll only be one winner.

[Heedersnvolleys]

What happens if the club moves the family section elsewhere, haul out all the seats, installs rail seating and the singing people decide that this still isn't the ideal location for their active fandom?

That’s probably why they wanted to trial it tomorrow night

[hibbysam]

Think there will be quite a big walk up crowd tomorrow. If you account for the fact that some of those not for sale, probably haven’t ever been released for sale, we’ll have sold somewhere between 8-9k.

I reckon we’ll get up to about 12k.

If the guys numbers are correct, just over 13k unavailable, taking off 3800 away end tickets and your down at around 9k, less hospitality and other non sold areas, were probably talking around 8k sold. Hopefully get 2/3k walk ups but I’d be surprised with it being on tele.

[tamig]

Because one side is wanting better for the club, by improving Easter Road's atmosphere, and the other side are saying "it's ma seat", not exactly surprising to see why not much movement is being made

Think that’s a bit one dimensional. Think there are a number in those seats who wouldn’t mind being part of the action. Its not just black and white - them and us - as you imply.

[ABZHFC]

Think that’s a bit one dimensional. Think there are a number in those seats who wouldn’t mind being part of the action. Its not just black and white - them and us - as you imply.

Of course, so I’d include those people in the first category - people who want the atmosphere to improve at Easter Road. Those in the second category, the “it’s my seat” brigade, if they do want a good atmosphere at games, are doing the most destructive thing possible to ensure it won’t happen

[ABZHFC]

Can you not give it a rest?

No, of course not. Those supporters have an embarrassing sense of entitlement that is to the detriment of the club, who continue to wilt and listen to a handful of angry voices threatening not to renew season tickets. See also; loyalty points

[SChibs]

Does it really matter where you sit at the game? I'd rather move seat and have a better atmosphere, backing and matchday experience than sitting in 'my seat' in silence with a crap atmosphere.

[Chuck Rhoades]

I'm amazed at how thick and selfish some people can be.

If I take your advice and just sit somewhere else, what happens when the person who's seat I've taken turns up and wants it?

If I have an allocated seat for something - football, concert or anything else - and somebody is sitting in my seat then they get shifted. I start by asking politely but if the person wants to be a dick then I can out-dick anybody and there'll only be one winner.

Whilst I don’t doubt you can out dick someone, what Since 1875 need to start working on is a vision / plan that entices the “it’s my seat camp” to be more open minded to progression and show an element of flexibility which then enables longer term benefits.

It’s clear a small handful will always do their upmost to get in Since 1875’s way (and more importantly, progression’s way), regardless of what the idea is, so new tactics are required before try something different.

[Peevemor]

Whilst I don’t doubt you can out dick someone, what Since 1875 need to start working on is a vision / plan that entices the “it’s my seat camp” to be more open minded to progression and show an element of flexibility which then enables longer term benefits.

It’s clear a small handful will always do their upmost to get in Since 1875’s way (and more importantly, progression’s way), regardless of what the idea is, so new tactics are required before try something different.

I responded to a post which criticised people for wanting to sit in their allocated seats. If you also think these people are wrong, then you too are a dick in my eyes.

Where seating isn't allocated, it's impossible for it to become an issue so I don't even see the point in your post.

Maybe I'm not "open minded to progression" - whatever that's supposed to mean. :Ummm:

[malcolm]

I think we have a solution to the lack of atmosphere with the introduction of the video screen next season - just play this


https://youtu.be/RFPLk5mJ1D4

and we are sorted. The screen would be high up so qualify as upper tier atmosphere so need need to force folk down to the lower tier for cup games either. :wink:

[ABZHFC]

I responded to a post which criticised people for wanting to sit in their allocated seats. If you also think these people are wrong, then you too are a dick in my eyes.

Where seating isn't allocated, it's impossible for it to become an issue so I don't even see the point in your post.

Maybe I'm not "open minded to progression" - whatever that's supposed to mean. :Ummm:

Has it occurred to you that atmospheres in football grounds have got significantly worse since allocated seating became a thing? We should be looking to do away with it, at least in one part of Easter Road, so we can bring back that atmosphere. By all means, I'm very aware it's not to everyone's liking, so if you had 80% of home end with allocated seating, that would be great, I would never begrudge that. But the status quo unreasonably benefits those who like to sit down and not sing, and it does absolutely nothing for those who want to stand and sing. That's a problem and it needs addressed.

The fact that you, and others, get uppity about this rebalance being addressed, suggests to me that is you lot who are being unreasonable, not us.

[j'adorehibs]

I'm amazed at how thick and selfish some people can be.If I take your advice and just sit somewhere else, what happens when the person who's seat I've taken turns up and wants it?If I have an allocated seat for something - football, concert or anything else - and somebody is sitting in my seat then they get shifted. I start by asking politely but if the person wants to be a dick then I can out-dick anybody and there'll only be one winner.

This is exactly the point on reserved seating and allocated ticket seating.

I had the pleasure of meeting a hibs fan at Kilmarnock who was sat in our seats. I stated they were ours but would sit alongside until as predicted someone would come and claim them...when I told him he'd need to move, (why should I for second time when the ticket owners for the seats we moved to came along) he took the right hump and moved to another vacant seat at edge of row where he moaned and groaned when anyone asked to enter the row.We'd never have had this debate if it was standing but its now seated so imo people should sit where they have been asked to.
As for addressing the emtpy seats it the ff lower were I sit every week the club needs to do something ...seats next to us have been empty all season , when I enquired I was told they were season tickets (I was looking to swap a seat from row behind to join us in same row)....why purchase seasons and not go ...the club must know who dont attend with barcode MI...maybe they should be prohibited from buying seasons again?!! radical but .

[Peevemor]

Has it occurred to you that atmospheres in football grounds have got significantly worse since allocated seating became a thing? We should be looking to do away with it, at least in one part of Easter Road, so we can bring back that atmosphere. By all means, I'm very aware it's not to everyone's liking, so if you had 80% of home end with allocated seating, that would be great, I would never begrudge that. But the status quo unreasonably benefits those who like to sit down and not sing, and it does absolutely nothing for those who want to stand and sing. That's a problem and it needs addressed.

The fact that you, and others, get uppity about this rebalance being addressed, suggests to me that is you lot who are being unreasonable, not us.

WTF are you on about?

Check all my posts and give me one example of where I've criticised the singing section or those who want to sing.

I look forward to your apology.

[Peevemor]

The point focuses on what Since 1875 need to do and why.

My first point was confirming you are a dick.


Has it occurred to you that atmospheres in football grounds have got significantly worse since allocated seating became a thing? We should be looking to do away with it, at least in one part of Easter Road, so we can bring back that atmosphere. By all means, I'm very aware it's not to everyone's liking, so if you had 80% of home end with allocated seating, that would be great, I would never begrudge that. But the status quo unreasonably benefits those who like to sit down and not sing, and it does absolutely nothing for those who want to stand and sing. That's a problem and it needs addressed.

The fact that you, and others, get uppity about this rebalance being addressed, suggests to me that is you lot who are being unreasonable, not us.


WTF are you on about?

Check all my posts and give me one example of where I've criticised the singing section or those who want to sing.

I look forward to your apology.

Come on the pair of you. I know you've both been viewing the thread.

I'm waiting.

[Peevemor]

The point focuses on what Since 1875 need to do and why.

My first point was confirming you are a dick.

Well there we have it.

Can you tell me why exactly? (just so I can sleep tonight)

Has it occurred to you that atmospheres in football grounds have got significantly worse since allocated seating became a thing? We should be looking to do away with it, at least in one part of Easter Road, so we can bring back that atmosphere. By all means, I'm very aware it's not to everyone's liking, so if you had 80% of home end with allocated seating, that would be great, I would never begrudge that. But the status quo unreasonably benefits those who like to sit down and not sing, and it does absolutely nothing for those who want to stand and sing. That's a problem and it needs addressed.

The fact that you, and others, get uppity about this rebalance being addressed, suggests to me that is you lot who are being unreasonable, not us.


WTF are you on about?

Check all my posts and give me one example of where I've criticised the singing section or those who want to sing.

I look forward to your apology.Come on the pair of you. I know you've both been viewing the thread. I'm waiting.

[BroxburnHibee]

Any chance we can pack in the name calling folks?

Its childish and tiresome.

[Iggy Pope]

The French would start a fight in an empty hoose. Think it’s rubbing off on you.

[Peevemor]

Any chance we can pack in the name calling folks?

Its childish and tiresome.

Maybe, once one of these two explains what gives him the right to call me a dick, and the other why he's accused me of being uppity and unreasonable over a subjet I haven't even addressed.

[Peevemor]

The French would start a fight in an empty hoose. Think it’s rubbing off on you.

Fine. What do you do if someone's in your seat at ER?

What would you do if somebody accused you of criticising "1875" if you'd done no such thing.

But it's my fault. :rolleyes:

[Iggy Pope]

Fine. What do you do if someone's in your seat at ER?

What would you do if somebody accused you of criticising "1875" if you'd done no such thing.

But it's my fault. :rolleyes:

That’s another couple of French traits.

You’ve been barneying about on both threads so it’s hardly a surprise that there’s a couple taking you to task. I’m not sure why you are bothering or why you need to defend the honour of the club when they don’t appear overly concerned.

[Peevemor]

That’s another couple of French traits.

You’ve been barneying about on both threads so it’s hardly a surprise that there’s a couple taking you to task. I’m not sure why you are bothering or why you need to defend the honour of the club when they don’t appear overly concerned.

I was every bit as stubborn before I moved to France and I've always stuck up for those who can't defend themselves.

[Chuck Rhoades]

WTF are you on about?

Check all my posts and give me one example of where I've criticised the singing section or those who want to sing.

I look forward to your apology.

There’s 18 pages worth of you sticking the boot in. Time to see a shrink.

PS - boarding a flight, enjoying hitting refresh 150 times per minute.

[Peevemor]

There’s 18 pages worth of you sticking the boot in. Time to see a shrink.

PS - boarding a flight, enjoying hitting refresh 150 times per minute.

Sticking the boot into who/what?

And you haven't explained what gives you the right to call me a dick.

[Moulin Yarns]

That’s probably why they wanted to trial it tomorrow night

Can you clarify who wants to trial the singing section in the lower part of the famous five stand?

[Moulin Yarns]

Has it occurred to you that atmospheres in football grounds have got significantly worse since allocated seating became a thing? We should be looking to do away with it, at least in one part of Easter Road, so we can bring back that atmosphere. By all means, I'm very aware it's not to everyone's liking, so if you had 80% of home end with allocated seating, that would be great, I would never begrudge that. But the status quo unreasonably benefits those who like to sit down and not sing, and it does absolutely nothing for those who want to stand and sing. That's a problem and it needs addressed.

The fact that you, and others, get uppity about this rebalance being addressed, suggests to me that is you lot who are being unreasonable, not us.

Unallocated seating will never happen.

There's a reason for knowing who sits where, and it's to identify trouble makers easily.

[PatHead]

Is it not about time this thread was closed. No ss in ff lower tomorrow. Leeann said last night that they are looking at standing sections.

Let's see what transpires and take it from there.

[Iggy Pope]

I was every bit as stubborn before I moved to France and I've always stuck up for those who can't defend themselves.

Is that Hibs that cant defend themselves or just the Back 4? Give yourself a break. Have you met Dempster????

[ABZHFC]

WTF are you on about?

Check all my posts and give me one example of where I've criticised the singing section or those who want to sing.

I look forward to your apology.

Sorry, if you're inferring that I suggested you criticised the singing section, you're very much mistaken. I said that the reason I am calling the 'it's my seat' brigade somewhat selfish and short-sighted in their attitudes is because Easter Road caters entirely for them at present. There is no good reason why we can't have a ground that caters both for those who want to sit in their regular seat with their friends and watch the game in peace, whilst also catering for those who want to stand in a random place each week and make a raucous atmosphere. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Some people I've argued with on this thread seem to treat my opinion as though I am suggesting we do away with every seat at Easter Road and make it all terracing, that's far from what I'm saying. I'm being quite reasonable in saying that we need to modify Easter Road so some (a minority) can stand for 90 minutes without ruining the experience for match-going fans who want to sit down and have a good view of the pitch. Those who oppose this seem to take issue *even* with that sort of agreement, which is why I'm calling it an unreasonable stance

[ABZHFC]

Unallocated seating will never happen.

There's a reason for knowing who sits where, and it's to identify trouble makers easily.

It has literally happened at Pittodrie twice in the past month or so? And, unofficially, it happens all over Scotland most weeks, as most younger supporters who stand and sing for ninety minutes don't go where their designated seat is (and rightfully so, otherwise the atmospheres would be even worse)

[Peevemor]

Sorry, if you're inferring that I suggested you criticised the singing section, you're very much mistaken. I said that the reason I am calling the 'it's my seat' brigade somewhat selfish and short-sighted in their attitudes is because Easter Road caters entirely for them at present. There is no good reason why we can't have a ground that caters both for those who want to sit in their regular seat with their friends and watch the game in peace, whilst also catering for those who want to stand in a random place each week and make a raucous atmosphere. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Some people I've argued with on this thread seem to treat my opinion as though I am suggesting we do away with every seat at Easter Road and make it all terracing, that's far from what I'm saying. I'm being quite reasonable in saying that we need to modify Easter Road so some (a minority) can stand for 90 minutes without ruining the experience for match-going fans who want to sit down. Those who oppose this seem to take issue *even* with that sort of agreement, which is why I'm calling it an unreasonable stanceYou've completely missed the point.

You had a go at me for a stance I haven't taken, but you're not man enough to admit your mistake and apologise.

Whether it bothers you or not you've gone well down in my estimation, which is a pity as I agree with a lot of the points you've made.

[ABZHFC]

You've completely missed the point.

You had a go at me for a stance I haven't taken, but you're not man enough to admit your mistake and apologise.

Whether it bothers you or not you've gone well down in my estimation, which is a pity as I agree with a lot of the points you've made.

I genuinely have not intended for that to be the case, I possibly jumped from point-to-point, as I'm making wider points about the atmosphere at ER generally, as well as this specific issue with tomorrow night and the FF lower. I won't apologise for being passionate about this as a topic, I think the club have - at times - managed it pretty poorly, and although I'm pleased with what Gordon and Dempster said at the AGM last night, there's still so much work to be done to improve the noise on match days. I accept you and indeed other Hibs fans will not like me saying this, but it does frustrate me when I see our own fans taking pretty short-sighted approaches to an issue that really could massively help our club.

There are an endless number of topics discussed about Hibs on here that I probably wouldn't have the first idea about compared to other, more knowledgable posters (and I include yourself in that), but on this specific issue, I not only know some in the Since1875 group, but I also have a real passion for fan culture, and have been across Europe seeing ultra groups in other countries and how they operate. It does frustrate me that there seems to be a small resistance to it amongst some of our fans, because we really do have the potential to easily be one of the most passionate supports in Scotland, with one of the most atmospheric stadiums to boot

[Pretty Boy]

This thread probably ran it's course about 2 days ago. It's just the same arguments over and over again.

Thread closed.