Official Site: JOELLE MURRAY FIRST TO AGREE PART-TIME PRO CONTRACT WITH HIBERNIAN WOM

[MyJo]

Let us know if there is the same antipathy towards our men's team over there :wink:

They are raging that the men's team get so much funding with only two measly trophies to show for it in the last 20 years compared to their 18 :greengrin

[The Count]

Just hoped that Celtic and Rangers kept out of women's football so that both sides would support Glasgow City.But no now Glasgows womens football will divide down tribal lines.Hope women are more sensible and look forward not back like your male west coast fan.

[calumhibee1]

Just hoped that Celtic and Rangers kept out of women's football so that both sides would support Glasgow City.But no now Glasgows womens football will divide down tribal lines.Hope women are more sensible and look forward not back like your male west coast fan.

You can guarantee that the support will just be mini versions of the men’s team :agree: they can’t help themselves. Just need to look at the youth games recently for evidence of that.

[hibsbollah]

Just hoped that Celtic and Rangers kept out of women's football so that both sides would support Glasgow City.But no now Glasgows womens football will divide down tribal lines.Hope women are more sensible and look forward not back like your male west coast fan.

It will be interesting to see if that happens. The pessimist in me thinks it's inevitable, because the potential for growth in women's old firm attendances is probably going to come from those who already go to men's old firm football and are already desensitised to sectarianism.

[Brightside]

You were adamant you needed to be provided with evidence that the OF have players who have full time contracts earlier. You got it. “Signed full time deals”. It can’t get any clearer. The onus is now on you to prove otherwise by providing evidence that they’re not and they’re publicly lying about their employment status rather than just making things up to suit your argument. Without any evidence it’s impossible to believe a word you say really, which really doesn’t help get people on side with what you want Hibs to do.

There isn’t a single press release from rangers announcing a player on a full time contract. The reason for that has been explained. I don’t need to prove points when I’m not the one challenging what Hibs are doing here. You have to prove that somehow Hibs are taking money from the Men’s team to subsidise the women’s team. Until someone does that you have nothing to argue about. Btw I would love it if Hibs are doing that but Leanne has almost zero interest in women’s football.

[Brightside]

It will be interesting to see if that happens. The pessimist in me thinks it's inevitable, because the potential for growth in women's old firm attendances is probably going to come from those who already go to men's old firm football and are already desensitised to sectarianism.

Happened already last season

[hibsbollah]

Happened already last season

In what sense, singing The Sash or something?

[One Day Soon]

Good luck to the women’s team and it’s development - and the youth and any other teams wearing the Hibs badge. The cantankerous and inquisitive nature of our support means that any attempt to advance those at the expense of the core Hibernian team would soon be opened up and made public. I’d be confident that these teams are being given appropriate support which works to the benefit of the wider club though.

Some of the posts on this thread on both of the extremes are pretty rank however.

[blackpoolhibs]

It’s absolutely semantics. That are training and playing like full time players and putting in the same hours our men’s team would. But they are not on full time contracts. It’s why I keep saying that it’s not about wages. The money these player me are getting is less than a 16yo would get in Macdonalds. Very few players in England’s top league are getting more than 20k a year. And they are heavily funded by rich parent clubs. Most people on this board wouldn’t get out of bed for what we pay our youth coaches and academy staff. Getting Hibs Woman on contracts does not have to cost the club much money at all. There is no reason for anyone to have the reactions they have whenever the woman’s team is mentioned.

How much is not much?

[DH1875]

Btw I would love it if Hibs are doing that but Leanne has almost zero interest in women’s football.

So does that make her a sexist old dinosaur too (don't even think I'm that old)?

[Brightside]

In what sense, singing The Sash or something?

There was sectarian singing at the last old firm women’s game.

[Brightside]

How much is not much?

An amount that is detrimental to the financial success of the club as a whole. But I’m sure Leeann has that under control.

[hibsbollah]

There was sectarian singing at the last old firm women’s game.

That's disappointing to hear but not surprising.

[blackpoolhibs]

An amount that is detrimental to the financial success of the club as a whole. But I’m sure Leeann has that under control.

So you dont know?

[DH1875]

There was sectarian singing at the last old firm women’s game.

How many people were at the game?

[green day]

Cant wait for the summer and the annual "Equal Wimbledon Prize Money for wimmin" thread :greengrin

[Lago]

An amount that is detrimental to the financial success of the club as a whole. But I’m sure Leeann has that under control.

That's a politicians answer, it tells us nothing.

[The 90+2]

There was sectarian singing at the last old firm women’s game.

The poor husbands of the support of the team who lost :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

There isn’t a single press release from rangers announcing a player on a full time contract. The reason for that has been explained. I don’t need to prove points when I’m not the one challenging what Hibs are doing here. You have to prove that somehow Hibs are taking money from the Men’s team to subsidise the women’s team. Until someone does that you have nothing to argue about. Btw I would love it if Hibs are doing that but Leanne has almost zero interest in women’s football.

So you’ve no actual substance to your claims that they’re not full time despite the evidence provided to you showing that they are? They’re on full time contracts. Quite how you can debate that when the evidence is in front of you is beyond me.

Can’t wait to come home from the Hibs game and talk about our 10-0 win today. I mean the evidence will show we didn’t, but why should that stop me from arguing we did.

[hibsbollah]

Good luck to the women’s team and it’s development - and the youth and any other teams wearing the Hibs badge. The cantankerous and inquisitive nature of our support means that any attempt to advance those at the expense of the core Hibernian team would soon be opened up and made public. I’d be confident that these teams are being given appropriate support which works to the benefit of the wider club though.

Some of the posts on this thread on both of the extremes are pretty rank however.

We live in very strange times when a simple desire to support women's football and grant equality of opportunity is seen as 'extreme'.

[The 90+2]

We live in very strange times when a simple desire to support women's football and grant equality of opportunity is seen as 'extreme'.

Calling people sexist for not supporting it is extreme though.

[Brightside]

So you’ve no actual substance to your claims that they’re not full time despite the evidence provided to you showing that they are? They’re on full time contracts. Quite how you can debate that when the evidence is in front of you is beyond me.

Can’t wait to come home from the Hibs game and talk about our 10-0 win today. I mean the evidence will show we didn’t, but why should that stop me from arguing we did.

No you have no proof that anyone is on a full time contract. None of the press releases actually say Full Time Contracts. They do have non playing staff on full time contracts. All of those clearly advertised. You have just assumed a player is on a full time contract due to them training in a full time manner.

[One Day Soon]

We live in very strange times when a simple desire to support women's football and grant equality of opportunity is seen as 'extreme'.


Desiring to support women's football and grant equality of opportunity isn't particularly exceptional or extreme, some of the posting on that topic on this thread is though.

[blackpoolhibs]

We live in very strange times when a simple desire to support women's football and grant equality of opportunity is seen as 'extreme'.

More nonsense from you, not one post from anyone wants them to fail, not one post from anyone does not want them to fulfill their potential.

The only argument i can see from anyone, is about costing and who should fund it?

[calumhibee1]

No you have no proof that anyone is on a full time contract. None of the press releases actually say Full Time Contracts. They do have non playing staff on full time contracts. All of those clearly advertised. You have just assumed a player is on a full time contract due to them training in a full time manner.

They’ve signed full time deals.

“ Several existing players have agreed full-time deals for the 2020 season”

It’s there, in black and white, written down, straight from the players mouths. You’re not stupid, I know you’re not missing it, it just doesn’t suit your argument. They have full time contracts, are full time players and will be paid at least the minimum wage for the job they’re doing.

[blackpoolhibs]

Hows about this, a full time Hibs womens team on full time contracts i'd guess at around 10k minimum per person.

Say 24 players, then the running costs a club like that would cost, and we are not looking at small change here as is suggested.

I'd bet we would be looking at around £500k a season with everything added up, folk keep saying costs are negligible, but then we keep hearing the club should be doing something.

This as i say is only a guess, but with no numbers forthcoming from those who say they are in the know, even at such small numbers i can see why Leanne Dempster does not want involved.

[DH1875]

Calling people sexist for not supporting it is extreme though.

Exactly.

[Brightside]

They’ve signed full time deals.

“ Several existing players have agreed full-time deals for the 2020 season”

It’s there, in black and white, written down, straight from the players mouths. You’re not stupid, I know you’re not missing it, it just doesn’t suit your argument. They have full time contracts, are full time players and will be paid at least the minimum wage for the job they’re doing.

You are 100% wrong. Not one player in Scotland is on a full time minimum wage contract. Plenty on part time contracts tho. Source 2 players that recently signed for old firm.

[Brightside]

Hows about this, a full time Hibs womens team on full time contracts i'd guess at around 10k minimum per person.

Say 24 players, then the running costs a club like that would cost, and we are not looking at small change here as is suggested.

I'd bet we would be looking at around £500k a season with everything added up, folk keep saying costs are negligible, but then we keep hearing the club should be doing something.

This as i say is only a guess, but with no numbers forthcoming from those who say they are in the know, even at such small numbers i can see why Leanne Dempster does not want involved.

No one at hibs is on a full time contract and that’s not even being discussed. I would only ever get potential sellable assets on part time contracts. No need for some of the team.l

[calumhibee1]

You are 100% wrong. Not one player in Scotland is on a full time minimum wage contract. Plenty on part time contracts tho. Source 2 players that recently signed for old firm.

Ahh. So the same source as the one in the paper except yours is conveniently the total opposite and not documented in any way.

I believe you. :aok:

[hibsbollah]

More nonsense from you, not one post from anyone wants them to fail, not one post from anyone does not want them to fulfill their potential.

The only argument i can see from anyone, is about costing and who should fund it?

...none of which is anything to do with the content of my post. So I'm not sure what nonsense you're accusing me of.

[Brightside]

Ahh. So the same source as the one in the paper except yours is conveniently the total opposite and not documented in any way.

I believe you. :aok:

She didn’t say full time contract in that article. Read it again. Players going Full Time is not the same as full time contracts.

[bigwheel]

She didn’t say full time contract in that article. Read it again. Players going Full Time is not the same as full time contracts.

This is an important nuance...it’s how football clubs, including ours, get away with offering 10k per year for kids signing their first pro contract....they define it as (say) 20 hours a week...

And still say the kid have gone “full time”....

Will definitely be happening in the woman’s game..


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[calumhibee1]

She didn’t say full time contract in that article. Read it again. Players going Full Time is not the same as full time contracts.

Full time deal = full time contract.

Anyway, if you refuse to read/misinterpret the evidence that’s been provided numerous times then bash on. But they’re full time footballers on full time contracts in the exact same way that men’s players at the OF are (just presumably on a lot less money). That much is pretty clear for everyone else.

[BoomtownHibees]

You are 100% wrong. Not one player in Scotland is on a full time minimum wage contract. Plenty on part time contracts tho. Source 2 players that recently signed for old firm.

So the clubs have them working full time but don’t have them or pay them on a full time contract? Wow

[blackpoolhibs]

...none of which is anything to do with the content of my post. So I'm not sure what nonsense you're accusing me of.


You said

We live in very strange times when a simple desire to support women's football and grant equality of opportunity is seen as 'extreme'.

Not seen one thread thats opposed to the womens team being granted equal opportunities anywhere on this thread or indeed this site?

[bigwheel]

Full time deal = full time contract.

Anyway, if you refuse to read/misinterpret the evidence that’s been provided numerous times then bash on. But they’re full time footballers on full time contracts in the exact same way that men’s players at the OF are (just presumably on a lot less money). That much is pretty clear for everyone else.

You’re wrong on this one ..underscore is right - football often gives less that 40hrs a week contract to youngsters ..and still call them “full time”

It’s a way of reducing their salaries ...and getting away with it

[Brightside]

Full time deal = full time contract.

Anyway, if you refuse to read/misinterpret the evidence that’s been provided numerous times then bash on. But they’re full time footballers on full time contracts in the exact same way that men’s players at the OF are (just presumably on a lot less money). That much is pretty clear for everyone else.
You remain totally wrong.

[Beefster]

No you have no proof that anyone is on a full time contract. None of the press releases actually say Full Time Contracts. They do have non playing staff on full time contracts. All of those clearly advertised. You have just assumed a player is on a full time contract due to them training in a full time manner.

So the 'full-time' players are working other jobs too? Even the foreign players who have moved to this country to sign for Celtic and Rangers?

Out of interest, what's the difference in contracted hours between a full-time male and female professional footballer?


You’re wrong on this one ..underscore is right - football often gives less that 40hrs a week contract to youngsters ..and still call them “full time”

It’s a way of reducing their salaries ...and getting away with it

Full-time employment with contracted hours less than 40 hours a week is not unusual.

[Brightside]

So the 'full-time' players are working other jobs too? Even the foreign players who have moved to this country to sign for Celtic and Rangers?

Out of interest, what's the difference in contracted hours between a full-time male and female professional footballer?



Full-time employment with contracted hours less than 40 hours a week is not unusual.
This isn’t tricky now. They are on part time contracts.

[Beefster]

This isn’t tricky now. They are on part time contracts.

Any chance of an answer to my genuine questions?

[J-C]

So the 'full-time' players are working other jobs too? Even the foreign players who have moved to this country to sign for Celtic and Rangers?

Out of interest, what's the difference in contracted hours between a full-time male and female professional footballer?



Full-time employment with contracted hours less than 40 hours a week is not unusual.
How many hours do Hibs players work? I bet it's a lot less than 40.

[calumhibee1]

You’re wrong on this one ..underscore is right - football often gives less that 40hrs a week contract to youngsters ..and still call them “full time”

It’s a way of reducing their salaries ...and getting away with it

No footballer works 40 hours a week, I didn’t realise we were discussing whether they work 40 hours a week or not. In that case the men’s first team are part time as well

They have full time football contracts. Meaning they’ll train similar/same amount of time as the men’s team at their respective clubs. They’re full time footballers with full time football contracts.

[bigwheel]

No footballer works 40 hours a week, I didn’t realise we were discussing whether they work 40 hours a week or not. In that case the men’s first team are part time as well

They have full time football contracts. Meaning they’ll train similar/same amount of time as the men’s team at their respective clubs. They’re full time footballers with full time football contracts.

Earlier, you were referencing the likely amount of wages for a full time contract...I’ve was simply explaining that contracts often have defined hours in it to allow wages that can be as low as 7k per annum.....it’s why the points that Underscore is making is right..


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[Beefster]

How many hours do Hibs players work? I bet it's a lot less than 40.

That's exactly my point.

I'm boring myself, never mind everyone else, arguing points and trying to get unambiguous answers and it's not really on topic of the Hibs announcement so I'm going to let it go. I suspect the real situation is an amalgamation of what's being claimed everywhere...

- Underscore does know a/some players who are on contracts with hours that provide <=~£7k pa.
- Some 'local' players have moved to Rangers/Celtic on those types of contracts.
- There are some 'full-time' players at Rangers and Celtic on what most normal working people would consider 'part-time' contracts but, in the context of football, they're full-time contracts. Probably like full-time male professionals, with a lot less cash.

[Brightside]

Yep. Spot on. Even the “Full Time” announced players are on small part time wages. Anyway Ron will sort it all out next week. 👍

[MyJo]

I think the crux of the argument is that the quoted reports are substituting the term full-time for professional.

They will be professional players and getting paid to play but they will likely be contracted to much less than the 35-40 hours per week that we would consider to be full time in normal jobs.

Same goes for the male players who are full time professionals but won’t “work” anywhere near 40 hours a week.

[matty_f]

I pay for Hibs TV (I live in Canada), but when I had a season ticket in the East Stand I was paying to watch men's football. I'd expect my money to go towards funding the men's team and maintenance of the stadium. A majority probably have the same viewpoint.

As Hibs TV also includes women's football highlights and interviews I have no quarrel with some of my money going to them as it is a shared platform.

You don't really have a say where your money goes. You post for a ticket to watch a game or for TV services where the content you get us what you pay for.

If I buy a Mars bar from Tesco I'm entitled to a Mars bar, not to tell Tesco where to spend the profits.

[Andy74]

You don't really have a say where your money goes. You post for a ticket to watch a game or for TV services where the content you get us what you pay for.

If I buy a Mars bar from Tesco I'm entitled to a Mars bar, not to tell Tesco where to spend the profits.

That would be a very dangerous way for a company to look at things and football teams more so.

From a business point of view, investors and customers are now very aware of what companies stand for and how they use their profits.

A Mars bar probably isn’t going to be improved now. You buy one, you get one. You hope they money you pay into your football club leads to better players and better results. Fans tend to get concerned when money put into the club isn’t for the benefit of the team they support.

[Lago]

That would be a very dangerous way for a company to look at things and football teams more so.

From a business point of view, investors and customers are now very aware of what companies stand for and how they use their profits.

A Mars bar probably isn’t going to be improved now. You buy one, you get one. You hope they money you pay into your football club leads to better players and better results. Fans tend to get concerned when money put into the club isn’t for the benefit of the team they support.
Nail on the head 👍

[hibby rae]

That would be a very dangerous way for a company to look at things and football teams more so.

From a business point of view, investors and customers are now very aware of what companies stand for and how they use their profits.

A Mars bar probably isn’t going to be improved now. You buy one, you get one. You hope they money you pay into your football club leads to better players and better results. Fans tend to get concerned when money put into the club isn’t for the benefit of the team they support.

I think Hibs have been clear what they stand for, ie. 'We Are All Hibs'.

Lucky for us the club has more than one team we support. Check the website, they're all listed there :wink:

[DH1875]

How many hours do Hibs players work? I bet it's a lot less than 40.


So the 'full-time' players are working other jobs too? Even the foreign players who have moved to this country to sign for Celtic and Rangers?

Out of interest, what's the difference in contracted hours between a full-time male and female professional footballer?



Full-time employment with contracted hours less than 40 hours a week is not unusual.

I know loads of people (including my wife) who are in full time employment that work less than 40 hours per week.
Anyways, meet Miss Sonia O'Neill. She plays for the rangers (no seriously). I don't know her but I will wager this, absolutely NO CHANCE she is here to be making less than what 16 year olds are working for in McDonalds.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rangers-fans-meltdown-chiefs-sign-21256914

[Brightside]

I know loads of people (including my wife) who are in full time employment that work less than 40 hours per week.
Anyways, meet Miss Sonia O'Neill. She plays for the rangers (no seriously). I don't know her but I will wager this, absolutely NO CHANCE she is here to be making less than what 16 year olds are working for in McDonalds.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rangers-fans-meltdown-chiefs-sign-21256914

She’s getting a flat with the other imports and a piss poor salary. Everyone is miles off it on this. These girls are getting rubbish money. But probably what a few on here would want them to get. Or deserve. Most English players are the same.

[calumhibee1]

She’s getting a flat with the other imports and a piss poor salary. Everyone is miles off it on this. These girls are getting rubbish money. But probably what a few on here would want them to get. Or deserve. Most English players are the same.

Everyone other than you, naturally.

Can I ask how you happen to know what everyone in Scottish womens football are earning? Including knowing that this women is being put up in a flat and what salary she's getting? Short of working for Rangers in a position where you're giving out the contracts I'm not quite sure how you seem to know all this?

I can't say a shared flat and a piss poor salary would tempt me to up sticks to a different country.

[Andy74]

I think Hibs have been clear what they stand for, ie. 'We Are All Hibs'.

Lucky for us the club has more than one team we support. Check the website, they're all listed there :wink:

We - meaning about 50 people usually where the ladies team are concerned?

I’m aware of the messaging. The reality is right now that most people putting money into the club do so for one reason.

[Eyrie]

We - meaning about 50 people usually where the ladies team are concerned?

I’m aware of the messaging. The reality is right now that most people putting money into the club do so for one reason.

Everyone does it for the same reason - because we are Hibs fans.

We put money into our club, whether through tickets, the shop, HSL or anything else and it's up to our club to decide how to spend it.

Oh, and nice jibe about anyone who doesn't attend games regularly not caring about Hibs.

[DH1875]

She’s getting a flat with the other imports and a piss poor salary. Everyone is miles off it on this. These girls are getting rubbish money. But probably what a few on here would want them to get. Or deserve. Most English players are the same.

Are you for real? That right there has ruined any credibility you had, I'm out.

[calumhibee1]

Are you for real? That right there has ruined any credibility you had, I'm out.

:agree:

It's pathetic. We'll soon be getting told if we don't have any interest in rap music that we're racist.

[hibby rae]

We - meaning about 50 people usually where the ladies team are concerned?

I’m aware of the messaging. The reality is right now that most people putting money into the club do so for one reason.

We, meaning Hibs supporters. We, meaning if a player plays for Hibs then that is good enough for a lot us, gender doesn't come into it, they are Hibs players. I'm not sure what the approx. attendance is, I would bet you don't actually know either having never been, and I don't know, nor do you, how many people will watch Hibs Women over the course of a season. But a lot of people will. Some just once, some every game. Going by reactions on social media to the news of the first part-time contract, it has been a move supported by a large number of Hibs supporters.

No, that's why you do it. You can't comment for the rest of us as you have can't know what other people's reasons are.

[Eyrie]

:agree:

It's pathetic. We'll soon be getting told if we don't have any interest in rap music that we're racist.

We've just been told that if we're not one of the "50" people that attends a Hibs Women's game then we have no interest in that particular part of our club.

I haven't attended one of the Women's games yet, but I watch when we're on the TV (eg tomorrow). I also don't attend development squad games. And for a number of years I didn't attend our men's games either.

So by that definition I wasn't a Hibs fan. And based on our attendances neither are many of those who attend semis and finals at Hampden, let alone the 150k who turned out for the Scottish Cup parade.

[calamitus]

Us showing a progressive attitude towards women's football will make it easier to attract corporate sponsorship. I know that social inclusiveness is one of the things our corporate sponsorship team look for at my work.

[Forza Fred]

Us showing a progressive attitude towards women's football will make it easier to attract corporate sponsorship. I know that social inclusiveness is one of the things our corporate sponsorship team look for at my work.

And will give a pathway for the dreams of many young lassies who support the Hibs as kids and can now aim to 'play for Hibs when I grow up' just like their brothers.

With women being about 50% of the Scottish population, we should be encouraging them, and catering for their involvement.

Not to, makes no sense on lots of levels, including business level.

[WhileTheChief..]

:agree:

It's pathetic. We'll soon be getting told if we don't have any interest in rap music that we're racist.

:top marks

[Forza Fred]

We've just been told that if we're not one of the "50" people that attends a Hibs Women's game then we have no interest in that particular part of our club.

I haven't attended one of the Women's games yet, but I watch when we're on the TV (eg tomorrow). I also don't attend development squad games. And for a number of years I didn't attend our men's games either.

So by that definition I wasn't a Hibs fan. And based on our attendances neither are many of those who attend semis and finals at Hampden, let alone the 150k who turned out for the Scottish Cup parade.

Us Oz fans aren't any of the 50 either, and hardly likely to be, but we are proud to sponsor at least one member of Hibernian Women

[matty_f]

That would be a very dangerous way for a company to look at things and football teams more so.

From a business point of view, investors and customers are now very aware of what companies stand for and how they use their profits.

A Mars bar probably isn’t going to be improved now. You buy one, you get one. You hope they money you pay into your football club leads to better players and better results. Fans tend to get concerned when money put into the club isn’t for the benefit of the team they support.

I agree that people are aware of what companies stand for but what you're saying is that your ticket money entitles you to say where that money should go, which isn't the case - it entitles you to attend a football match.

You obviously have a choice of whether or not you want to buy another ticket, that's fair enough, but Hibs will be confident that they can support this at the same time as improving the men's side otherwise we wouldn't be doing it.

I'm not sure how far you think your season ticket money goes, I reckon mine will cover a few days of a first team players' wage. I don't really think that gives me much say in things at the club. My small shareholding gives a wee bit more of a say but even then it's insignificant.

[calumhibee1]

I agree that people are aware of what companies stand for but what you're saying is that your ticket money entitles you to say where that money should go, which isn't the case - it entitles you to attend a football match.

You obviously have a choice of whether or not you want to buy another ticket, that's fair enough, but Hibs will be confident that they can support this at the same time as improving the men's side otherwise we wouldn't be doing it.

I'm not sure how far you think your season ticket money goes, I reckon mine will cover a few days of a first team players' wage. I don't really think that gives me much say in things at the club. My small shareholding gives a wee bit more of a say but even then it's insignificant.

The way some people are adamant people shouldn’t be discussing where their money goes I can only presume they’ve never given their thoughts on a new signing, the training centre, the east stand etc.

It’s not our place to say what the club spend the money on after all.

[matty_f]

The way some people are adamant people shouldn’t be discussing where their money goes I can only presume they’ve never given their thoughts on a new signing, the training centre, the east stand etc.

It’s not our place to say what the club spend the money on after all.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed, just that the sense of entitlement that some people are getting from their £450-odd spend isn't really in perspective.

[calumhibee1]

I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed, just that the sense of entitlement that some people are getting from their £450-odd spend isn't really in perspective.

Apologies Matty, I didn’t mean you. Some other posters are adamant that it’s not our place to question what Hibs do with the money we give them - it’s nothing to do with us. I don’t expect them to have opinions on alot of things Hibs do in that case, whether that’s new signings, stadium improvements, HTC improvements etc.

[matty_f]

Apologies Matty, I didn’t mean you. Some other posters are adamant that it’s not our place to question what Hibs do with the money we give them - it’s nothing to do with us. I don’t expect them to have opinions on alot of things Hibs do in that case, whether that’s new signings, stadium improvements, HTC improvements etc.

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[GreenCastle]

Just reading online about student players not being allowed to play in SWPL 1 due to 2 clubs going professional.

The SWPl even replied to a twitter account saying..

Hi....it’s due to updated legislation provided by the Home Office. The @SWPL 1 can also no longer be considered truly amateur due to the involvement of professional players.

Sounds a bit of a mess and you wonder what VISAs the Old Firm players are on if they are getting paid ?