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[inglisavhibs]

When was the last time we finished above Aberdeen?


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Who said we did? Aberdeen are very hard to beat although not so much this season but their style of play annoys even their own supporters. Getting the balance between winning and entertaining is the hard bit unless you have the funds of the old firm.

[Ozyhibby]

2012/13


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So it def might be worthwhile finding out how they do that.


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[bigwheel]

So it def might be worthwhile finding out how they do that.


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They don’t get relegated [emoji6]


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[madhatter]

What do you mean by big plans? Do you want the owner to plough his own money in to the club, given that he has already spent 3m paying off our mortgage. He could spend another 2m every year and that still wouldn’t guarantee any success. Aberdeen spend 9m on wages and are certainly not a better watch than Hibs. We are far from perfect but along with Motherwell I would say we are as good to watch as any outside the old firm. And yes I did enjoy both the St Mirren and Livingston games despite the awful conditions at the latter. Our attacking formation often leaves our defence exposed so we are always liable to lose a few goals but isn’t that how Hibs fans like their team to play? Lot’s of supporters making threats about season tickets next season, all that does is make the managers job even more difficult.

You’ve gone from asking whether I expect owner to plough in his own money to saying supporters are making threats about maybe not spending their hard earned cash because they are a bit bored. Ownership comes with responsibility, I have no responsibility to Hibs so making “threats” is stretching it a bit far. If I say to Netflix if you don’t add anything I like then I might end my subscription is not a threat, it’s just stating what you might do with your money. If product is good then someone would take my place in the stands. If rich owner has right to do what he likes with his plentiful supply of dollars then I sure as hell have the right to do the same with mine. If 2m every year from Ron wouldn’t guarantee success I’m sure the “threat” of my £400 not hitting the coffers will have little impact on things (if I do decide to stop my ST this season).

Ron is owner of Hibs, what he does will make managers job easier or difficult. My single ST will do nothing. Community club where people who consider whether they want to renew STs (possibly due to financial reasons alongside enjoyment) are said to be “making threats”. Fans have no right to ask owner to spend money on his own business but club have right to expect fans to renew STs and anybody questioning the renewal are “making threats”...oh to be a millionaire owner rather than a pleb.

[hibbysam]

Your reply is also all in your opinion, just to point out. James, Newell, Jackson and Hallberg still need to prove themselves. Doidge has been fairly consistent with scoring goals but the rest are still only bit part in my opinion. You’ve stated Omeonga and Docherty sorting out our midfield which surely in itself says that Hallberg, Slivka, Horgan and Mallan may not have been good enough? Hallberg has not played for a while and James looks like he will be emptied in the summer.

Did you enjoy watching us play Livingston, BSC and St Mirren? I’m not seeing how Ross wants us to play going forward - he has played different systems recently and I think that’s mainly due to lack of options - cannot put out a decent flat 4 in midfield as Horgan isn’t able to last very long and is very inconsistent. The wingbacks allows Allan and removes the lopsided diamond that we’ve been playing with Boyle wide on right. I think this is Ross adapting to what is available rather than any long term plans.

The fact you’ve said “if we get anymore out the season than that after our year up til November” is exactly my point - this exact phrase could have been used for the past 3 seasons. Lennon got us going on a rampage after January in relatively poor season up until then, Lennon had poor season and left in strange way for season to be recovered by Hecky, Hecky has terrible season which needs saved by Ross. Why should we be “thoroughly pleased” with this? I’m pleased at not being in relegation fight but thoroughly is pushing it a wee bit. Sacking managers and terminating long term contracts costs money.

I hope big plans are outlined over the next week or so.

If we make a final or qualify for Europe, why wouldn’t you be thoroughly pleased? Newell has been one of our most important players for a number of weeks now. Of course it’s my opinion though, and I’m enjoying watching hibs.

I didn’t enjoy BSC because of the wind and rain, simple. St mirren after a terrible start we were very good for a long spell, an exciting 2-2 draw. I’ve enjoyed far more games than I haven’t enjoyed under Ross, loads of goals, wide open games, excitement and entertainment and pushing for a European space and a potential trip to hampden.

[inglisavhibs]

You’ve gone from asking whether I expect owner to plough in his own money to saying supporters are making threats about maybe not spending their hard earned cash because they are a bit bored. Ownership comes with responsibility, I have no responsibility to Hibs so making “threats” is stretching it a bit far. If I say to Netflix if you don’t add anything I like then I might end my subscription is not a threat, it’s just stating what you might do with your money. If product is good then someone would take my place in the stands. If rich owner has right to do what he likes with his plentiful supply of dollars then I sure as hell have the right to do the same with mine. If 2m every year from Ron wouldn’t guarantee success I’m sure the “threat” of my £400 not hitting the coffers will have little impact on things (if I do decide to stop my ST this season).

Ron is owner of Hibs, what he does will make managers job easier or difficult. My single ST will do nothing. Community club where people who consider whether they want to renew STs (possibly due to financial reasons alongside enjoyment) are said to be “making threats”. Fans have no right to ask owner to spend money on his own business but club have right to expect fans to renew STs and anybody questioning the renewal are “making threats”...oh to be a millionaire owner rather than a pleb.
Your choice how you spend your money, all I said was that the less income we have the more difficult the managers job is. Ron has already made the mangers job easier by paying off the mortgage releasing around £0.5m per annum for the next six years.

[madhatter]

If we make a final or qualify for Europe, why wouldn’t you be thoroughly pleased? Newell has been one of our most important players for a number of weeks now. Of course it’s my opinion though, and I’m enjoying watching hibs.

I didn’t enjoy BSC because of the wind and rain, simple. St mirren after a terrible start we were very good for a long spell, an exciting 2-2 draw. I’ve enjoyed far more games than I haven’t enjoyed under Ross, loads of goals, wide open games, excitement and entertainment and pushing for a European space and a potential trip to hampden.

That’s good. We are different though, I guess that’s the challenge for the club - meeting everyone’s expectations. I don’t think my expectations are that unrealistic, we should be establishing ourselves as 3rd/4th most successful club in Scotland. Beating teams with much smaller funds should be easier and more routine beyond the odd shock result. I understand what poses the difficulties in Scotland but we cannot continue to have a clump of average teams outside the OF. Some of that is the OF fault due to greed over TV funds etc. but you could almost map out the Scottish football boom to bust nature. We’re experiencing a bit of a boom but recent news coming out of St Johnstone suggests a bust could be coming. Enjoying a few years of success means nothing really, any team could achieve that, our league proves that. I want Hibs to break free from that trend and I think recent successes may help towards that. However, the club need to show ambition otherwise people will bore. I’m not that old but even I have seen this all before. Patting each other on the back rather than looking to push further.

[inglisavhibs]

You’ve gone from asking whether I expect owner to plough in his own money to saying supporters are making threats about maybe not spending their hard earned cash because they are a bit bored. Ownership comes with responsibility, I have no responsibility to Hibs so making “threats” is stretching it a bit far. If I say to Netflix if you don’t add anything I like then I might end my subscription is not a threat, it’s just stating what you might do with your money. If product is good then someone would take my place in the stands. If rich owner has right to do what he likes with his plentiful supply of dollars then I sure as hell have the right to do the same with mine. If 2m every year from Ron wouldn’t guarantee success I’m sure the “threat” of my £400 not hitting the coffers will have little impact on things (if I do decide to stop my ST this season).

Ron is owner of Hibs, what he does will make managers job easier or difficult. My single ST will do nothing. Community club where people who consider whether they want to renew STs (possibly due to financial reasons alongside enjoyment) are said to be “making threats”. Fans have no right to ask owner to spend money on his own business but club have right to expect fans to renew STs and anybody questioning the renewal are “making threats”...oh to be a millionaire owner rather than a pleb.
Your choice how you spend your money, all I said was that the less income we have the more difficult the managers job is. Ron has already made the mangers job easier by paying off the mortgage releasing around £0.5m per annum for the next six years.

[jacomo]

You say you’d like to know why but when people explain the reasons you tend to ignore those posts and repeat your question again at every opportunity.

Hopefully the AGM and the up to date accounts can put this to bed


Fair point.

This has been done to death.

[oldbutdim]

We need chips...


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There's Catering stock of £6702.

Maybe that's a blue chip investment.

[madhatter]

Your choice how you spend your money, all I said was that the less income we have the more difficult the managers job is. Ron has already made the mangers job easier by paying off the mortgage releasing around £0.5m per annum for the next six years.

Ron has done that so his business can function better. He has earned a charitable status for it, I understand that but why do fans not equally get the same charitable credit? Many people had STs when we were relegated even though it was close to being an ordeal for people. Many contributed to HSL which essentially was money for nothing (donations) but strangely fans are the first to get hit with this “less income” stuff. He is owner, it’s his responsibility to make Hibs a successful business, not the fans. We should be able to enjoy services and the general “ride”, that should aid Ron in his ambitions. It shouldn’t be treated as a Kickstarter project though. Club should ensure income is boosted and STs hold a decent level. Club should also get suitable sponsorships to give more funds and aid global presence.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

They don’t get relegated [emoji6]


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Did they not use a get out of jail free card when Falkirk failed to meet the all-seater criteria?

[hibbysam]

That’s good. We are different though, I guess that’s the challenge for the club - meeting everyone’s expectations. I don’t think my expectations are that unrealistic, we should be establishing ourselves as 3rd/4th most successful club in Scotland. Beating teams with much smaller funds should be easier and more routine beyond the odd shock result. I understand what poses the difficulties in Scotland but we cannot continue to have a clump of average teams outside the OF. Some of that is the OF fault due to greed over TV funds etc. but you could almost map out the Scottish football boom to bust nature. We’re experiencing a bit of a boom but recent news coming out of St Johnstone suggests a bust could be coming. Enjoying a few years of success means nothing really, any team could achieve that, our league proves that. I want Hibs to break free from that trend and I think recent successes may help towards that. However, the club need to show ambition otherwise people will bore. I’m not that old but even I have seen this all before. Patting each other on the back rather than looking to push further.

Are you saying we haven’t been ambitious? I’d say we were very ambitious and have put a lot into the playing squad in recent years. Unfortunately lennon combusted and hecky didn’t live up to expectation. This has resulted in two transitional seasons, but even with that this season we have a good chance of getting into Europe and getting to hampden, even if we have differing expectations, you can surely say two semi finals and/or a European place is a successful season for hibs (we haven’t had many more successful in my time as a fan).

[bigwheel]

Did they not use a get out of jail free card when Falkirk failed to meet the all-seater criteria?

Some Time ago think they did..actually was it not twice ?! Once Via reconstruction??

[danhibees1875]

Some Time ago think they did..actually was it not twice ?! Once Via reconstruction??

Was that not us? In 1990?

[madhatter]

Are you saying we haven’t been ambitious? I’d say we were very ambitious and have put a lot into the playing squad in recent years. Unfortunately lennon combusted and hecky didn’t live up to expectation. This has resulted in two transitional seasons, but even with that this season we have a good chance of getting into Europe and getting to hampden, even if we have differing expectations, you can surely say two semi finals and/or a European place is a successful season for hibs (we haven’t had many more successful in my time as a fan).

Quantifying ambition is difficult especially when you add HSL, can you call a club ambitious for spending donations that fans gave it? Transitional seasons I agree on, transitioning to what though? Transitioning to stand still? Football requires work simply to stand still never mind making progress.

Again on ambition, we ended up without a paying sponsor on our shirts (good community thing) while fans were paying into HSL. Is this club being ambitious? Quantifying the levels of ambition becomes quite difficult.

Qualifying for Europe means nothing unless you build on it and I think the club need to outline the vision to get a buy in from fans.

I agree that qualifying for Europe and a minimum of semi final would be successful season but as my points above indicate I want Hibs to be a successful club rather than a club that had a few successful seasons. Every dog has their day, club need to make sure that this isn’t just a good few years before we descend into the “norm”.

[bigwheel]

Was that not us? In 1990?

Yes, Dons got out of it twice. 95 and 2000 ....

[tamig]

Ron has done that so his business can function better. He has earned a charitable status for it, I understand that but why do fans not equally get the same charitable credit? Many people had STs when we were relegated even though it was close to being an ordeal for people. Many contributed to HSL which essentially was money for nothing (donations) but strangely fans are the first to get hit with this “less income” stuff. He is owner, it’s his responsibility to make Hibs a successful business, not the fans. We should be able to enjoy services and the general “ride”, that should aid Ron in his ambitions. It shouldn’t be treated as a Kickstarter project though. Club should ensure income is boosted and STs hold a decent level. Club should also get suitable sponsorships to give more funds and aid global presence.
Why should the fans not want to be a part of making Hibs a successful business? It’s our club.

[madhatter]

Why should the fans not want to be a part of making Hibs a successful business? It’s our club.

Where did I say that they shouldn’t? You do as you see fit with your money. Outside of an emotional sense it is largely Ron Gordon’s football club. I’m of the opinion club shouldnt ask for donations while we have fresh millionaire owner. Being branded a community club while doing this doesn’t ring true, club would be taking from the community (some avid fans with little cash will make sacrifices for club).

As indicated in the post you replied to - club need to have plan to get fan buy in. I’m hoping Ron’s experience with communities proves invaluable in this as I’m not sure how you get fans to contribute more than the core requirement of STs when they wish to have one. We don’t have a desperate need so the same problem that HSL suffered still exists.

Somethings in life are more important than football and a football club, if Hibs want to get a community to prioritise the club and make financial contributions beyond the norm then they will need a cunning plan. Hence why I hope for big plans as ambitions led by club go a long way.

[Kato]

Was that not us? In 1990?

Nope, we could have been relegated when the news was announced but ended up finishing outwith the relegation zone.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Where did I say that they shouldn’t? You do as you see fit with your money. Outside of an emotional sense it is largely Ron Gordon’s football club. I’m of the opinion club shouldnt ask for donations while we have fresh millionaire owner. Being branded a community club while doing this doesn’t ring true, club would be taking from the community (some avid fans with little cash will make sacrifices for club).

As indicated in the post you replied to - club need to have plan to get fan buy in. I’m hoping Ron’s experience with communities proves invaluable in this as I’m not sure how you get fans to contribute more than the core requirement of STs when they wish to have one. We don’t have a desperate need so the same problem that HSL suffered still exists.

Somethings in life are more important than football and a football club, if Hibs want to get a community to prioritise the club and make financial contributions beyond the norm then they will need a cunning plan. Hence why I hope for big plans as ambitions led by club go a long way.

I tend to agree with this and your other post further up.

Unless a club is fan owned, which by his actions the new owner has made clear isn't part of his grand plan for Hibs, the first thing he did was kill that prospect stone dead, then it is very much up to the people who do own and run it to source the finance to make it successful. If that doesn't include pumping in endless wads of his own cash I expect the owner to at least be savvy enough to be able to attract funding to the club which will enable it to move forward and when he speaks tonight that's what I expect him to acknowledge.

And by that I don't mean treating the fans like a financial lemon that you can squeeze for cash until the pips squeak. There are games in this league where clubs are asking £30 for a ticket which for me is the absolute limit for pricing, go past that and you are totally taking the piss for the standard of football on offer .... don't get me wrong IMO its far from terrible and the last few games at ER have been very entertaining ... but it isn't football played by teams or players its worth £30 to watch.

As fans we should be the last resort when it comes to 'extra' funding, that being that we are the ones who step up to stop the club going to the wall if such a situation arises ... Apart from buying STs or walk up tickets our loyalty should not be exploited beyond the usual stuff fans tolerate like paying £44 for what is in effect a T shirt you could get for £20 in Matalan or £5.20 for a beefy drink and a pie that would cost you around £3 tops in a cafe.

I've said it before. If Ron Gordon hasn't taken over this club with at least an idea of how he can take it forward financially short of sucking the fans dry then what is the point of him? We would have been as well being fan owned with HSL turned into a fan membership scheme asking for ongoing never ending donations to keep the club going, at least then we would be in practically the same position but with the fans being directly connected to the club and more willing to ante up that money on the basis that they actually own it.

Perhaps I'm being too pessimistic, but after 6 months in charge I can't say I'm enthused by the noises, or lack of them, emanating from Easter Road. After 6 months of practically total silence I expect the club in the shape of Ron Gordon to have some extremely encouraging and positive things to say at the AGM .... not aims and goals for the club that I could reel off as my ambitions for it without going to the bother of becoming a multi millionaire, but concrete proposals the fans can understand of how the money required to achieve these aims and goals can be raised that will have us walking away thinking this club has a bright future on and off the park.

Over to you Ron.

[crash]

I tend to agree with this and your other post further up.

Unless a club is fan owned, which by his actions the new owner has made clear isn't part of his grand plan for Hibs, the first thing he did was kill that prospect stone dead, then it is very much up to the people who do own and run it to source the finance to make it successful. If that doesn't include pumping in endless wads of his own cash I expect the owner to at least be savvy enough to be able to attract funding to the club which will enable it to move forward and when he speaks tonight that's what I expect him to acknowledge.

And by that I don't mean treating the fans like a financial lemon that you can squeeze for cash until the pips squeak. There are games in this league where clubs are asking £30 for a ticket which for me is the absolute limit for pricing, go past that and you are totally taking the piss for the standard of football on offer .... don't get me wrong IMO its far from terrible and the last few games at ER have been very entertaining ... but it isn't football played by teams or players its worth £30 to watch.

As fans we should be the last resort when it comes to 'extra' funding, that being that we are the ones who step up to stop the club going to the wall if such a situation arises ... Apart from buying STs or walk up tickets our loyalty should not be exploited beyond the usual stuff fans tolerate like paying £44 for what is in effect a T shirt you could get for £20 in Matalan or £5.20 for a beefy drink and a pie that would cost you around £3 tops in a cafe.

I've said it before. If Ron Gordon hasn't taken over this club with at least an idea of how he can take it forward financially short of sucking the fans dry then what is the point of him? We would have been as well being fan owned with HSL turned into a fan membership scheme asking for ongoing never ending donations to keep the club going, at least then we would be in practically the same position but with the fans being directly connected to the club and more willing to ante up that money on the basis that they actually own it.

Perhaps I'm being too pessimistic, but after 6 months in charge I can't say I'm enthused by the noises, or lack of them, emanating from Easter Road. After 6 months of practically total silence I expect the club in the shape of Ron Gordon to have some extremely encouraging and positive things to say at the AGM .... not aims and goals for the club that I could reel off as my ambitions for it without going to the bother of becoming a multi millionaire, but concrete proposals the fans can understand of how the money required to achieve these aims and goals can be raised that will have us walking away thinking this club has a bright future on and off the park.

Over to you Ron.

Good post, totally agree

[flash]

I was quite upbeat about it all until I started reading this thread.

[CentreLine]

I tend to agree with this and your other post further up.

Unless a club is fan owned, which by his actions the new owner has made clear isn't part of his grand plan for Hibs, the first thing he did was kill that prospect stone dead, then it is very much up to the people who do own and run it to source the finance to make it successful. If that doesn't include pumping in endless wads of his own cash I expect the owner to at least be savvy enough to be able to attract funding to the club which will enable it to move forward and when he speaks tonight that's what I expect him to acknowledge.

And by that I don't mean treating the fans like a financial lemon that you can squeeze for cash until the pips squeak. There are games in this league where clubs are asking £30 for a ticket which for me is the absolute limit for pricing, go past that and you are totally taking the piss for the standard of football on offer .... don't get me wrong IMO its far from terrible and the last few games at ER have been very entertaining ... but it isn't football played by teams or players its worth £30 to watch.

As fans we should be the last resort when it comes to 'extra' funding, that being that we are the ones who step up to stop the club going to the wall if such a situation arises ... Apart from buying STs or walk up tickets our loyalty should not be exploited beyond the usual stuff fans tolerate like paying £44 for what is in effect a T shirt you could get for £20 in Matalan or £5.20 for a beefy drink and a pie that would cost you around £3 tops in a cafe.

I've said it before. If Ron Gordon hasn't taken over this club with at least an idea of how he can take it forward financially short of sucking the fans dry then what is the point of him? We would have been as well being fan owned with HSL turned into a fan membership scheme asking for ongoing never ending donations to keep the club going, at least then we would be in practically the same position but with the fans being directly connected to the club and more willing to ante up that money on the basis that they actually own it.

Perhaps I'm being too pessimistic, but after 6 months in charge I can't say I'm enthused by the noises, or lack of them, emanating from Easter Road. After 6 months of practically total silence I expect the club in the shape of Ron Gordon to have some extremely encouraging and positive things to say at the AGM .... not aims and goals for the club that I could reel off as my ambitions for it without going to the bother of becoming a multi millionaire, but concrete proposals the fans can understand of how the money required to achieve these aims and goals can be raised that will have us walking away thinking this club has a bright future on and off the park.

Over to you Ron.

Thing is that 25% of the club is actually owned by fans, either directly or through HSL. Do we just ignore that when we refer to “the owner” as if he was a single entity. Ron Gordon is “the major shareholder” in HFC but there are many hundreds of other shareholders. That becomes thousands with the HSL contribution. Do these “owners” not have a contribution to make?

[JimBHibees]

Yes, Dons got out of it twice. 95 and 2000 ....

I don't think we were due to go down in 1990. Think only one team went down in those days and we were second bottom. Actually don't think we have ever been saved from relegation by ground criteria of promoted teams or restructuring of the league unlike other clubs, memory might be playing tricks with me but honestly don't think we have.

[JimBHibees]

I was quite upbeat about it all until I started reading this thread.

:greengrin

[madhatter]

Thing is that 25% of the club is actually owned by fans, either directly or through HSL. Do we just ignore that when we refer to “the owner” as if he was a single entity. Ron Gordon is “the major shareholder” in HFC but there are many hundreds of other shareholders. That becomes thousands with the HSL contribution. Do these “owners” not have a contribution to make?

Who can facilitate the sale of the football club? I would assume Ron follows in footsteps of Farmer. Who decides if we erect more buildings? Ron and Hibs board? I'd assume the fans, especially due to the dilution in shares you've pointed out, have very little say on many things.

By the same argument is Jeff Bezos owner of Amazon or are all the shareholders? I'd suggest Bezos is owner with contributors (looking for dividends). We aren't owners, we wont make any profit or loss from sale of club (value of share may fluctuate). We also dont get a say when the club is sold. Very strange notion of ownership when business can be altered and sold without your input.

[CapitalGreen]

Who can facilitate the sale of the football club? I would assume Ron follows in footsteps of Farmer. Who decides if we erect more buildings? Ron and Hibs board? I'd assume the fans, especially due to the dilution in shares you've pointed out, have very little say on many things.

By the same argument is Jeff Bezos owner of Amazon or are all the shareholders? I'd suggest Bezos is owner with contributors (looking for dividends). We aren't owners, we wont make any profit or loss from sale of club (value of share may fluctuate). We also dont get a say when the club is sold. Very strange notion of ownership when business can be altered and sold without your input.

Amazon doesn’t pay a dividend.

[madhatter]

Amazon doesn’t pay a dividend.

Fair enough, think point remains - Ron Gordon could alter and sell Hibs as he wants. Saying fans are owners of the club is pushing it very far. Shareholders fair enough but as I said in previous posts we are pretty much just along for the ride. People buy shares in Chelsea, who owns Chelsea?

[HFC93]

When was the last time we finished above Aberdeen?


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When was the last time Aberdeen won the Scottish Cup?

[CapitalGreen]

Fair enough, think point remains - Ron Gordon could alter and sell Hibs as he wants. Saying fans are owners of the club is pushing it very far. Shareholders fair enough but as I said in previous posts we are pretty much just along for the ride. People buy shares in Chelsea, who owns Chelsea?

I agree I don’t think the fans own the club and have zero interest in fan ownership personally. Give me a Jeff Bezos running the club over some committee of fans in club blazers any day.

[Greenworld]

I was quite upbeat about it all until I started reading this thread.Laughing my head off. It's some thread as you say we've not even heard from Ron Gordon yet and all sorts of comments flying around.

I'm really looking forward to hearing what he has to say and I am hoping it is a kick in the pants to the way everything is normally done .



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[Hibbyradge]

I was quite upbeat about it all until I started reading this thread.

Once it's over, we'll need to start 2 separate AGM threads.

One entitled "AGM - The Messiah is here", with the other called "AGM - Just another Ponzi scheme*.

People can post on the thread which best matches their viewpoint.

I bet I could accurately apportion a lot of names without waiting for the AGM!

[Caversham Green]

I’m just not that convinced that doing your own catering can add £5m to our turnover?


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I don't have Hibs' 2019 accounts yet but to do a proper comparison you need to look at the whole picture not just the top line. Aberdeen's cost of sales was £2.9m, their other operating expenses were £4.2m and they employed 144 staff of which 56 were commercial/administration and 13 were 'maintenance'. Their stock at 30 June 2019 was £653,000. They finished higher up the league and got to the League Cup final and Scottish Cup semi-final with extra games against Celtc, "Rangers" and Hearts along the way. Their operating loss was £1.029m plus interest costs of £44k.

If our 2018 accounts are anything to go by cost of sales will be negligible, commercial staff will be around 20 fewer and operating costs will be substantially lower. Hibs don't disclose their commercial income (nor will Aberdeen from now on) so we can't compare their bottom line with Aberdeen's but on the basis of the above I don't think Aberdeen's additional turnover is particularly attractive - they're just a different operation.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't have Hibs' 2019 accounts yet but to do a proper comparison you need to look at the whole picture not just the top line. Aberdeen's cost of sales was £2.9m, their other operating expenses were £4.2m and they employed 144 staff of which 56 were commercial/administration and 13 were 'maintenance'. Their stock at 30 June 2019 was £653,000. They finished higher up the league and got to the League Cup final and Scottish Cup semi-final with extra games against Celtc, "Rangers" and Hearts along the way. Their operating loss was £1.029m plus interest costs of £44k.

If our 2018 accounts are anything to go by cost of sales will be negligible, commercial staff will be around 20 fewer and operating costs will be substantially lower. Hibs don't disclose their commercial income (nor will Aberdeen from now on) so we can't compare their bottom line with Aberdeen's but on the basis of the above I don't think Aberdeen's additional turnover is particularly attractive - they're just a different operation.

Which is fine but their operation is putting out a team finishing higher up the league (hopefully not this year) and competing in Europe every season. I’m only really interested in different business models in respect of how good a team each one leads to.


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[Keith_M]

Once it's over, we'll need to start 2 separate AGM threads.

One entitled "AGM - The Messiah is here", with the other called "AGM - Just another Ponzi scheme*.

People can post on the thread which best matches their viewpoint.

I bet I could accurately apportion a lot of names without waiting for the AGM!


I'd be posting on both

😉

[Caversham Green]

Which is fine but their operation is putting out a team finishing higher up the league (hopefully not this year) and competing in Europe every season. I’m only really interested in different business models in respect of how good a team each one leads to.


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Maybe it's just their football operation that's doing that - after all Hearts' turnover is a similar level to Aberdeen's and look how their team is doing.

[madhatter]

Once it's over, we'll need to start 2 separate AGM threads.

One entitled "AGM - The Messiah is here", with the other called "AGM - Just another Ponzi scheme*.

People can post on the thread which best matches their viewpoint.

I bet I could accurately apportion a lot of names without waiting for the AGM!

You may get a good hit rate but speaking on behalf of fellow pessimists, we dream as well so dont be sure you'll put us in the right thread. I'd like to think while views are polarised, the dreamers and pessimists need each other for balance. Pessimists keep dreamers feet on the ground, dreamers prevent pessimists descending down a spiral. Realists just watch over shaking their head in disapproval.

Whether views are negative or positive, surely it is a good thing that people care so much about a football club to have the views in the first place? Football is rarely about facts as well, everyone gets their opinion.

AGM will come and go, things will change as Ron will outline. However, fans will remain largely the same - passionate and opinionated. Here's hoping the outcome from AGM will make us more passionate and opinionated.

[Greenbeard]

Anyone sensible going who can post sensible "as live" bullet point highlights on this sensible thread?

[malcolm]

Fair enough, think point remains - Ron Gordon could alter and sell Hibs as he wants. Saying fans are owners of the club is pushing it very far. Shareholders fair enough but as I said in previous posts we are pretty much just along for the ride. People buy shares in Chelsea, who owns Chelsea?

No not really. RG could sell his shareholding in Hibs as a whole or in part - though of course the board would have to change its mind about the transfer embargo in shares :greengrin.

It is a bit weird that there is an expectation that just because you own more shares than the rest you are the only one who should put hands in pockets. In fact the hands in pockets of HSL members is an example of other share owners raising funds. RG has said he is a fan of reciprocal ponying up but I guess he is a good bit ahead in terms of his contributions but continuing HSL payments can only encourage him to keep dipping into his own pocket.

However disregarding the emotional aspect of fan/HSL contributions, that kind of owner funding is not sustainable - I’m more interested in how commercial progress will help and a better product/service (however you define them) will lead to more fans attendance and purchases. I’ll be all ears tonight.

[Jones28]

I was quite upbeat about it all until I started reading this thread.

There’s nothing like a dose of cynicism to bring you crashing back to earth.

So many Hibs fans are skeptics of Gordon and those who lived through the mercer years and all the crap before and after it are quite rightly so. It’s bound to make folk nervous when an unknown quantity takes over a club.

I didn’t see any of that and have only known Hibs as a club that may have had its down on the pitch, but have been well run off it.

[FilipinoHibs]

Laughing my head off. It's some thread as you say we've not even heard from Ron Gordon yet and all sorts of comments flying around.

I'm really looking forward to hearing what he has to say and I am hoping it is a kick in the pants to the way everything is normally done .



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Me to. Looking forward to what he has to say. Good to have someone who has invested in the club and cleared our debt freeing up cash flow. Big focus will be on increasing revenue and the development of the academy which long term is a better investment than transfer fees and big wages.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Thing is that 25% of the club is actually owned by fans, either directly or through HSL. Do we just ignore that when we refer to “the owner” as if he was a single entity. Ron Gordon is “the major shareholder” in HFC but there are many hundreds of other shareholders. That becomes thousands with the HSL contribution. Do these “owners” not have a contribution to make?

Seeing as like me many small shareholders are also contributors to HSL I would say we do contribute to the club. But Ron Gordon by preventing HSL from being able to gain a seat on the board has made it crystal clear that this is his club and he don't want no partners.

On that basis the buck very much stops with him if things go wrong and for the above reason he can have no complaints if failure means flak comes his way. It also means that the fans are quite right in expecting him to deliver the things we want for the club.

[steelendhibs]

Will you be able to get parked in the main car park?

[Power]

Will you be able to get parked in the main car park?

Was busy last night - Albion Place and St.Clair Street are great options.

[Greenworld]

Who's going to video the speech

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[NAE NOOKIE]

Once it's over, we'll need to start 2 separate AGM threads.

One entitled "AGM - The Messiah is here", with the other called "AGM - Just another Ponzi scheme*.

People can post on the thread which best matches their viewpoint.

I bet I could accurately apportion a lot of names without waiting for the AGM!

I haven't heard anybody say the think Ron Gordon is an asset stripper in waiting, I'm 99% sure he isn't.

But what concerns me is the incredibly low key approach he has taken so far. When a new guy takes over I for one want ( expect ) an air of enthusiasm and reinvigoration to surround the club, generated by his own visible enthusiasm ..... up until now that has been far from the case.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blind to some good signs like us allegedly offering £300,000 for a player recently, no doubt facilitated by Ron Gordon wiping out the debt repayments to Tom Farmer, without doubt a huge sum for us and definitely a plus on his side of the balance.

The dream of Ron Gordon's statement tonight would be to hear him say there are feasible plans in place to take the club's funding to a new level, that don't just involve getting the fans to 'pony up' and that the plans for that money are to invest it in the club in the following areas. 1) The team 2) The academy and training ground, including the indoor facility ... and 3) The stadium. I know that's a bone of contention, but it has to be part of his aims ... Easter Road is a fine stadium but it is far from the ground it could and should be, improving it has to be in the plans ... not just the pathetic PA system but having a clear and scheduled plan to fill in the corners, even if that's a fabled 5 year plan. That's what I want to hear from an enthusiastic dedicated and visionary owner.

The impression I get is that tonight what we might hear is a lot of talk about 'community' and how the fans need to contribute more if they want to see a better team on the park and absolutely nothing about plans for the stadium ..... if I leave the west stand tonight after listening to two hours of that then I will be pretty underwhelmed.

[Tyler Durden]

Which is fine but their operation is putting out a team finishing higher up the league (hopefully not this year) and competing in Europe every season. I’m only really interested in different business models in respect of how good a team each one leads to.


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I think you need to make your mind up as you’ve gone on incessantly about Hearts having greater commercial income than Hibs. Despite the fact that Hibs have fielded a better team than Hearts now for the third consecutive season?

Maybe Hibs deserve some credit for reducing the gap to Aberdeen’s wage bill every year since returning to the top flight?

[Ozyhibby]

I think you need to make your mind up as you’ve gone on incessantly about Hearts having greater commercial income than Hibs. Despite the fact that Hibs have fielded a better team than Hearts now for the third consecutive season?

Maybe Hibs deserve some credit for reducing the gap to Aberdeen’s wage bill every year since returning to the top flight?

I think/hope tonight will give a clearer picture of steps Hibs are taking towards improving their commercial income. People are saying it’s not a problem when it appears the club themselves have accepted it is. Looking at some of the recent job adverts the club have made tells you that. Once the club detail some of the changes tonight it will then be accepted that change was needed all along. I hope.[emoji3]


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[Peevemor]

Is anyone planning on posting updates?

[offshorehibby]

Is anyone planning on posting updates?

I hope so. Gutted about missing this one so will be tuned in all night looking for updates all night. I would expect Hibs to release some sort of statement tonight or tomorrow showing the outline of the plans.

[calumhibee1]

Is anyone planning on posting updates?

Updates would be very much appreciated.

[Hibs90]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/84/c3/4684c3eee1c95106488493a18bfa77c6.gif

Have heard a rumour about a big screen

[Hermit Crab]

A few posters usually try to keep us updated. :agree:

[Hermit Crab]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/84/c3/4684c3eee1c95106488493a18bfa77c6.gif

Have heard a rumour about a big screen


Yep. in the corner between the North and East stands so we can introduce VAR.

[660]

I can post updates.

[Ozyhibby]

Yep. in the corner between the North and East stands so we can introduce VAR.

Will barely see that from my seat.[emoji22]


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[CapitalGreen]

I think you need to make your mind up as you’ve gone on incessantly about Hearts having greater commercial income than Hibs. Despite the fact that Hibs have fielded a better team than Hearts now for the third consecutive season?

Maybe Hibs deserve some credit for reducing the gap to Aberdeen’s wage bill every year since returning to the top flight?

*I’d argue that we have fielded a better side for 5 consecutive seasons now.

[Peevemor]

Will barely see that from my seat.[emoji22]


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Just move to the FF lower.

[Caversham Green]

I think/hope tonight will give a clearer picture of steps Hibs are taking towards improving their commercial income. People are saying it’s not a problem when it appears the club themselves have accepted it is. Looking at some of the recent job adverts the club have made tells you that. Once the club detail some of the changes tonight it will then be accepted that change was needed all along. I hope.[emoji3]


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To clarify the point I was making, I don't disagree that the club should be trying to increase commercial income but you seem fixated on the top line which means nothing in itself. On the face of it both Aberdeen and Hearts appear to be spending more on the commercial side than they're bringing in - that's not a model I want Hibs to follow.

As an aside someone has posted that the last time Hibs finished above Aberdeen was 2012-13 which is also the last time Aberdeen changed managers. Maybe that has more to do with the performances of the two clubs than their respective turnovers.

[Barney McGrew]

Is anyone planning on posting updates?

I’ll try to :aok:

[The Count]

Yep. in the corner between the North and East stands so we can introduce VAR.

So much history to our club but apart from The Famous Five our stands having boring names.

[Peevemor]

I can post updates.


I’ll try to :aok:

Good stuff. :aok:

[CentreLine]

I agree I don’t think the fans own the club and have zero interest in fan ownership personally. Give me a Jeff Bezos running the club over some committee of fans in club blazers any day.

That I agree with 100%. Nothing could be worse, in my opinion, than fan ownership. But a little bit of control, as was available if HSL has reached its target, could only have been a good thing.

[Hibbyradge]

Yep. in the corner between the North and East stands so we can introduce VAR.

It'll be between the east and south. We don't need a screen for VAR.

[Hibbyradge]

Just move to the FF lower.

Just push someone in the upper tiers of the West out if their seat.

[California-Hibs]

Im telling you, I'll be over the moon if they announce a giant screen. Certain fans won't understand and will moan 'ah it's not needed, get the product on the pitch' etc.
However, living here in the States, the big screen stuff just works! It truely adds to the experience if you get the content on it right! A kinda 'Fontane of knowledge' type of stuff, training snips, highlights of classic games. Fans will love it instead of just sitting around waiting.

It really does add to the match day experience in a big way, and it's an entertainment business and important for the fans to have the best experience. Im all for it and will be delighted if the rumours of it happening are true. Personally think it should be between the North and East.

[Since452]

Im telling you, I'll be over the moon if they announce a giant screen. Certain fans won't understand and will moan 'ah it's not needed, get the product on the pitch' etc.
However, living here in the States, the big screen stuff just works! It truely adds to the experience if you get the content on it right! A kinda 'Fontane of knowledge' type of stuff, training snips, highlights of classic games. Fans will love it instead of just sitting around waiting.

It really does add to the match day experience in a big way, and it's an entertainment business and important for the fans to have the best experience. Im all for it and will be delighted if the rumours of it happening are true. Personally think it should be between the North and East.

Stuff the big screen. I want cheerleaders and lots of them.

[jacomo]

Stuff the big screen. I want cheerleaders and lots of them.


Why not both?

With weak beer and popcorn to enjoy the half time show.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Stuff the big screen. I want cheerleaders and lots of them.

You have a strange opinion on what needs stuffing...

[bod]

why put a screen in the north end of the ground so the away fans get full use of it ? surely in either south corner would benefit us

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Yep. in the corner between the North and East stands so we can introduce VAR.

So if VAR is introduced, are the clubs expected to splash out on big screens like down south?
Every penny is a prisoner for most clubs and now this comes along, just like the 10,000 seat rule 20 years ago, it would be completely unnecessary.

[Pretty Boy]

why put a screen in the north end of the ground so the away fans get full use of it ? surely in either south corner would benefit us

In 2056 when the singing section complete their tour of the entire stadium the South will be the home end.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So if VAR is introduced, are the clubs expected to splash out on big screens like down south?
Every penny is a prisoner for most clubs and now this comes along, just like the 10,000 seat rule 20 years ago, this is completely unnecessary.

Big adverts can go on a big screen though.

[Pretty Boy]

Big adverts can go on a big screen though.

I noticed there were a couple of new advertising hoardings on Saturday replacing ones which had been in situ for years. There's definitely a couple of signs suggesting we are quietly making moves commercially.

I wonder if part of the recent engagement with current sponsors and partners has been a drive to secure a sponsor to fund a big screen. Perhaps a deal similar to the various deals to sponsor the South over the years or the Crabbies sponsorship of the FF fairly recently.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Just move to the FF lower.

Have a day off. No need in every, single thread.

Cheers to those who are taking the time to post updates. Travelling for work to London, gutted to be missing it. Expect it to the best attended for a number of years.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Just push someone in the upper tiers of the West out if their seat.

You too. Tiresome. 😴

[Peevemor]

Have a day off. No need in every, single thread.

Cheers to those who are taking the time to post updates. Travelling for work to London, gutted to be missing it. Expect it to the best attended for a number of years.Aaaw... lighten up petal.

[California-Hibs]

Times the AGM expected to start?

[Monts]

So if VAR is introduced, are the clubs expected to splash out on big screens like down south?
Every penny is a prisoner for most clubs and now this comes along, just like the 10,000 seat rule 20 years ago, it would be completely unnecessary.
Perhaps it's with an eye to hosting games in competitions that use VAR, and not necessarily involving hibs.

[calumhibee1]

Im telling you, I'll be over the moon if they announce a giant screen. Certain fans won't understand and will moan 'ah it's not needed, get the product on the pitch' etc.
However, living here in the States, the big screen stuff just works! It truely adds to the experience if you get the content on it right! A kinda 'Fontane of knowledge' type of stuff, training snips, highlights of classic games. Fans will love it instead of just sitting around waiting.

It really does add to the match day experience in a big way, and it's an entertainment business and important for the fans to have the best experience. Im all for it and will be delighted if the rumours of it happening are true. Personally think it should be between the North and East.

:agree:

A big screen would be a good investment.

[Hibbyradge]

Im telling you, I'll be over the moon if they announce a giant screen. Certain fans won't understand and will moan 'ah it's not needed, get the product on the pitch' etc.
However, living here in the States, the big screen stuff just works! It truely adds to the experience if you get the content on it right! A kinda 'Fontane of knowledge' type of stuff, training snips, highlights of classic games. Fans will love it instead of just sitting around waiting.

It really does add to the match day experience in a big way, and it's an entertainment business and important for the fans to have the best experience. Im all for it and will be delighted if the rumours of it happening are true. Personally think it should be between the North and East.

More Hibs fans would see it if it was between the East and South, no?

[Hermit Crab]

Just been offered a proxy. Its too late for me to go now.

[Hibbyradge]

So if VAR is introduced, are the clubs expected to splash out on big screens like down south?
Every penny is a prisoner for most clubs and now this comes along, just like the 10,000 seat rule 20 years ago, it would be completely unnecessary.

VAR doesn't require a big screen.

[Hibbyradge]

In 2056 when the singing section complete their tour of the entire stadium the South will be the home end.

:tee hee:

[Hibbyradge]

You too. Tiresome. 😴

Have a wee snooze, buddy. You must be shattered.

It was a joke. Obviously.

[jacomo]

Aaaw... lighten up petal.


This thread shows promising signs of descending into a typical matchday thread flame war and I for one am EXCITED.

[Hibernian Verse]

This thread shows promising signs of descending into a typical matchday thread flame war and I for one am EXCITED.Get a grip mate. There is NOTHING funny about two people having a go at each other via a keyboard/keypad that would normally not say anything derogatory to each other in the street. NOTHING.

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[PatHead]

So what do you want to hear everyone ?

[Danderhall Hibs]

I noticed there were a couple of new advertising hoardings on Saturday replacing ones which had been in situ for years. There's definitely a couple of signs suggesting we are quietly making moves commercially.

I wonder if part of the recent engagement with current sponsors and partners has been a drive to secure a sponsor to fund a big screen. Perhaps a deal similar to the various deals to sponsor the South over the years or the Crabbies sponsorship of the FF fairly recently.

I heard that some of the existing boards are only there cos we’ve not done anything to update them - they were paid for initially but not anymore, yet they remain there in the absence of being updated.

[RyeSloan]

I heard that some of the existing boards are only there cos we’ve not done anything to update them - they were paid for initially but not anymore, yet they remain there in the absence of being updated.

That would not surprise me in the slightest and true for quite a few of them I’d expect.

[RyeSloan]

I noticed there were a couple of new advertising hoardings on Saturday replacing ones which had been in situ for years. There's definitely a couple of signs suggesting we are quietly making moves commercially.

I wonder if part of the recent engagement with current sponsors and partners has been a drive to secure a sponsor to fund a big screen. Perhaps a deal similar to the various deals to sponsor the South over the years or the Crabbies sponsorship of the FF fairly recently.

Yup there is a mini club shop in the East concourse now as well....not very well stocked and ‘cash only’ but hey every little helps I suppose and as you say it’s at least a start on the road to maximising revenue.

[Since452]

So what do you want to hear everyone ?

Increased player budget and injection of cash for next season.

FF lower made singing section

New tannoy system

Famous Five statue

West renamed the Sir Tom Farmer stand

Full size indoor training pitch

A guy can hope 😂

[steelendhibs]

Braw macaroni pies though!! Our very own Leanne holding open the doors at the top of the stairs as well!!!