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MWHIBBIES
01-02-2020, 04:32 PM
Love the guy but I really think he needs a few weeks on the bench. Yes he took his goal very well but struggled otherwise, looks very slow, corners were so poor (especially after 2 goals from corners on Tuesday)

Thoughts?

tamig
01-02-2020, 04:33 PM
Love the guy but I really think he needs a few weeks on the bench. Yes he took his goal very well but struggled otherwise, looks very slow, corners were so poor (especially after 2 goals from corners on Tuesday)

Thoughts?
Thought he was far better today than in his previous three games.

Since452
01-02-2020, 04:34 PM
Thought he was our main man today

Viva_Palmeiras
01-02-2020, 04:35 PM
Love the guy but I really think he needs a few weeks on the bench. Yes he took his goal very well but struggled otherwise, looks very slow, corners were so poor (especially after 2 goals from corners on Tuesday)

Thoughts?

Does that exclude the corner that almost went in direct?
Confused.com

CMurdoch
01-02-2020, 04:36 PM
Once we lost Newell to injury we struggled and Allan's dead ball delivery was nowhere near the same quality.

hibee_girl
01-02-2020, 04:38 PM
He looked shattered today

MWHIBBIES
01-02-2020, 04:41 PM
Does that exclude the corner that almost went in direct?
Confused.com

No, it definitely includes it. Dreadful corner really. There is a long between the top of the bar and scoring. Would it be a good corner if he smashed it in a straight line at the front post?

Robbo6-2
01-02-2020, 04:42 PM
He was horrendous today.

His goal got him out a hole.

Lost count how many times he gave the ball away. It was quite staggering actually

SideBurns
01-02-2020, 04:42 PM
For me, he's struggling. Too often, has neither the strength nor pace to get away from his man, and his passes are regularly short of their target. Corners were poor today too.

However - scored a great goal, and continues to make valuable contributions. He just doesn't look like the same player he used to be.

skyhibs
01-02-2020, 04:43 PM
He was absolutely murder today along with every other hibs player.... no pass marks today... absolutely shocking display and made St Mirren look good

dmc1875
01-02-2020, 04:43 PM
His passing and energy is shot at the moment. He’s been pretty poor for weeks now and clearly needs a rest to reboot

danhibees1875
01-02-2020, 04:45 PM
I thought his corners looked poor, but may have been deliberate given the conditions as the keeper made hard work of them at times. Certainly prefer Newall for delivery regardless.

Otherwise it's really hard to say with a player like Allan. He's the one who tries the things to unlock defences and get us through on goal. It's almost his job to be the man who gives away possession all the time, if that's not something too stupid to say.

Unfortunately today he just didn't get that key pass which makes all the possession loss forgettable. Although he did score a very well taken goal!

I wouldn't be against dropping him for a more defensive and energetic midfielder for the rangers game so he's fresh for an important run of games after that.

Blurhibee
01-02-2020, 04:45 PM
He has been poor for the last 4 to 5 games, he needs a spell on the bench to maybe get his mojo back

Hibeesmad
01-02-2020, 04:46 PM
Who assisted Doidge's goal? Was it Newell?

skyehibee
01-02-2020, 04:46 PM
Needs dropped, looks well off the pace

hibbydad
01-02-2020, 04:48 PM
Who assisted Doidge's goal? Was it Newell?
Omeonga

Keith_M
01-02-2020, 04:49 PM
Scot Allan was decent but eventually ran out of steam.

He wasn't ***** or MOTM.

Despite the extreme claims either way.

Vault Boy
01-02-2020, 04:51 PM
Scot Allan was decent but eventually ran out of steam.

He wasn't ***** or MOTM.

Despite the extreme claims either way.

Spot on

B.H.F.C
01-02-2020, 04:52 PM
Brilliant goal but gave the ball away too much. Doesn’t look sharp.

Hibeesmad
01-02-2020, 04:54 PM
Omeonga

Thanks. Thought he put in a good shift today too.

MrRobot
01-02-2020, 04:56 PM
Thought he was quite poor again today.

bingo70
01-02-2020, 04:57 PM
Brilliant goal but gave the ball away too much. Doesn’t look sharp.

I thought at one point It looked like he was heavier than he’s looked for a while.

I was away up the back of the stand and it was only for a split second I thought that so I may be wrong, I just thought he looked a bit laboured.

Cabbage-Patch
01-02-2020, 04:57 PM
Thought he was our main man today

Took his goal well but I thought he was brutal today. I know he took a knock late on second half after we used all our subs but he looked off the pace and his distribution was poor.

B.H.F.C
01-02-2020, 04:59 PM
I thought at one point It looked like he was heavier than he’s looked for a while.

I was away up the back of the stand and it was only for a split second I thought that so I may be wrong, I just thought he looked a bit laboured.

I’ve thought that since we came back from the winter break.

Hibee Mac
01-02-2020, 05:01 PM
He's been poor for weeks now. Both him and Horgan should never have been in that starting line up as they have been off it since Dec.

I love the guy but he needs dropped asap

wookie70
01-02-2020, 05:01 PM
Thought he was far better today than in his previous three games. He was decent towards the end of the first half but was terrible early doors and looked knackered at the hour mark. Not good when our manager seems to use all his subs by that point. He should have been hooked instead of Newell for me. Allan also looks a bit bulkier to me. He needs a few games on the bench and to work 9n keeping it simpler.

ian cruise
01-02-2020, 05:10 PM
I'd be tempted to just use Allan for 45 mins, either going off at half time or coming on, for a few weeks unless he's having a day when he's unplayable. We've Newell on form and Mallan to come back who can perform very well in there too.

DaveF
01-02-2020, 05:15 PM
A poor game and I agree that he looks like he has put on weight. Unless he had 5 t-shirts on today 🙂

Heisenberg
01-02-2020, 05:17 PM
Hope he’s dropped for midweek. Will be a passenger against Rangers.

Ronniekirk
01-02-2020, 05:19 PM
Clearly not at his best Too easily dispossessed today and needs to learn when to
Play simple ball and not try the impossible
But took goal well

Lago
01-02-2020, 05:22 PM
I'm sure he will come good in the coming weeks, he has had to in a way carry the midfield, but now that we have alternatives he can be rested & revived.

villahibs
01-02-2020, 05:23 PM
He was terrible today. Looks a yard slow and just generally well off it. Still looked like Messi compared to Horgan though....

we are hibs
01-02-2020, 05:24 PM
Thought he was poor until Docherty came on. Seemed to do a bit better after that. He needs to stop dithering on the ball.

500miles
01-02-2020, 05:33 PM
Smothered through the middle, can't play with Doidge, moved out wide and got more space, but didn't have the pace to take advantage.

To get the most out of the team we might have to drop him.

cmcd
01-02-2020, 05:41 PM
I an sure Allan has an illness of some kind and if so is this what is making him look tired ??

Scouse Hibee
01-02-2020, 05:42 PM
Been poor for weeks but gets an easy ride from fans.

MWHIBBIES
01-02-2020, 05:49 PM
Been poor for weeks but gets an easy ride from fans.

He has probably earned the easy ride to an extent though. It's when he gets away with poor games and others get slaughtered that bothers me.

Even this season his actual contribution in terms of goals and assists is excellent.

keep the faith
01-02-2020, 05:52 PM
Been poor for weeks but gets an easy ride from fans.

Ok then! 😂

Not at his best in the last few weeks but involved in set up of both goals at tannadice, penalty in midweek and goal today plus nearly scored from a corner. The day we start giving a wonderful hibs player like scott allan a hard time when his bad weeks look like this, is the day I truly give up.

Scouse Hibee
01-02-2020, 05:56 PM
Ok then! 😂

Not at his best in the last few weeks but involved in set up of both goals at tannadice, penalty in midweek and goal today plus nearly scored from a corner. The day we start giving a wonderful hibs player like scott allan a hard time when his bad weeks look like this, is the day I truly give up.

Thank you, you have provided a perfect example and proved my point wonderfully 😂

EVENTUALLY
01-02-2020, 05:58 PM
Been poor for weeks but gets an easy ride from fans.2 goals in his last two games. Overall for the season he has a great goals and assists ratio .

He is the most tightly marked man in our team, and while he is not blessed with a great build to take the hits and digs that come his way he still takes on opponents despite having no real speed to dribble away from them. We're very lucky to have him. Every player hits bad patches and Scott is having a difficult time at the moment but when he is on song he is a pleasure to watch in the green and white.

Beefster
01-02-2020, 05:58 PM
Man of the Match in the BBC’s report. He wasn’t MOTM for me but he was closer to that than ‘terrible’ or ‘murder’.

emerald green
01-02-2020, 06:00 PM
I thought Hibs passing, throughout the whole team, was generally poor today. It wasn't confined to Scott Allan.

Lewiehas2
01-02-2020, 06:02 PM
Scotty was good today, he’s a number 10 who has the ability to do special things - that means occasionally he’ll give the ball away or it won’t work. When he was through the middle he was the player making a difference

Danderhall Hibs
01-02-2020, 06:19 PM
BBC MOM :dunno:

Hiber-nation
01-02-2020, 06:24 PM
All the assists and goals are cancelled out by the number of times he gives the ball away. He's miles off it at the moment.

Nicho87
01-02-2020, 06:26 PM
Docherty made Allan look like a part timer.

Allan looks slow and no turn of pace.

Docherty looks a real gem.

Benny Brazil
01-02-2020, 06:29 PM
Thought he played better when he was moved out to the left but that wasnt difficult as he had hardly been involved before that

BILLYHIBS
01-02-2020, 06:37 PM
Docherty made Allan look like a part timer.

Allan looks slow and no turn of pace.

Docherty looks a real gem.

This

But don’t tell the Hun

B.H.F.C
01-02-2020, 06:43 PM
Been poor for weeks but gets an easy ride from fans.

Gets an easier ride because he’s got some credit in the bank. And because he still chips in with goals and assists.

Despite being poor he still offers something whereas when others are poor they offer nothing. But I do think a seat on the bench is required.

Weegreenman
01-02-2020, 06:46 PM
Scotty was very poor today but it’s no surprise really having to carry several players on yon shoulders. If we’re talking up **** performances, look no further than Horgan. Headless chicken

Cabbage-Patch
01-02-2020, 06:56 PM
I an sure Allan has an illness of some kind and if so is this what is making him look tired ??


He has type 1 diabetes. I'm sure this must affect his game now and again. He looked really lethargic at times today

Crab apple
01-02-2020, 07:04 PM
He again looked tired but he’s capable of pieces of magic as well as scoring and setting up goals.

B.H.F.C
01-02-2020, 07:13 PM
Scotty was very poor today but it’s no surprise really having to carry several players on yon shoulders. If we’re talking up **** performances, look no further than Horgan. Headless chicken

Horgan the sub is always superb.

Horgan the starter, isn’t.

OstKurve Hibs
01-02-2020, 07:29 PM
I wish he would stop trying to score from corners, keeper caught 4 that I counted, his touch wasnt there either n passing was slow, let's hope he gets back to his usual form soon cos as we all know when hes on his game hes unplayable for the opposition

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 07:30 PM
Is it trendy now to rip Scott Allan, he was comfortably our best player the first 40 mins.

Billy Whizz
01-02-2020, 07:33 PM
You have to remember, crazy as it may seem, this could the most numbers of matches he’s played in the top league in a season
Maybe feeling it a bit, but he’s still got moments of real quality
Pity Mallon’s not fit, take the strain off him

Pretty Boy
01-02-2020, 07:38 PM
I just wish he would keep it simple sometimes. Every ball doesn't have to be spectacular.

He was odd today. Some flashes of quality, some moments he looked like an unfit Sunday league player.

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 07:56 PM
You have to remember, crazy as it may seem, this could the most numbers of matches he’s played in the top league in a season
Maybe feeling it a bit, but he’s still got moments of real quality
Pity Mallon’s not fit, take the strain off him

Again, a tremendous point.

Smartie
01-02-2020, 07:56 PM
I thought he was comfortably our best player during the first half and always looked likely to do something at that point.

For all we've often bemoaned previous managers for not making changes quickly enough, I'm not entirely happy with Ross' tendency to play all his cards so early, especially if it means leaving a tiring Scott Allan on the park for 90 minutes (or David Gray against Hamilton).

He was struggling later in the game, and so were we.

Tambo
01-02-2020, 08:01 PM
I just wish he would keep it simple sometimes. Every ball doesn't have to be spectacular.

He was odd today. Some flashes of quality, some moments he looked like an unfit Sunday league player.

That's how I seen it today also.

MWHIBBIES
01-02-2020, 08:04 PM
Is it trendy now to rip Scott Allan, he was comfortably our best player the first 40 mins.

Oh shut up, nothing trendy about it. people have different opinions. He was poor today and has been in all the games since break.

IncredibleHibee
01-02-2020, 08:04 PM
Lot of people saying about how tired/slow Allan looking - which I don’t disagree with as to me he is usually done after about 70 mins in games. The think to remember, and what I have always put it down to, is the guy has diabetes, which will drastically effect his endurance

Scouse Hibee
01-02-2020, 08:04 PM
Is it trendy now to rip Scott Allan, he was comfortably our best player the first 40 mins.

Here we go again, that’s a nonsense statement if it was trendy to rip Allan he would be ripped when he’s pish. That doesn’t happen.

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 08:07 PM
I thought he was comfortably our best player during the first half and always looked likely to do something at that point.

For all we've often bemoaned previous managers for not making changes quickly enough, I'm not entirely happy with Ross' tendency to play all his cards so early, especially if it means leaving a tiring Scott Allan on the park for 90 minutes (or David Gray against Hamilton).

He was struggling later in the game, and so were we.

I completely agree (again) as for Jack, he has to start working out how to play against specific sides at the start of the games because he clearly has the ability to change things for the best, I get the feeling he’s a loyal kind of guy and doesn’t want to drop players to suit a formation to work against a certain side.

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 08:08 PM
Here we go again, that’s a nonsense statement if it was trendy to rip Allan he would be ripped when he’s pish. That doesn’t happen.

People have said he’s been pish all season.

This is a thread calling for him to be dropped or rested when he was our best, most energetic player in the first half.

Clearly Scouse, it does happen.

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 08:09 PM
Oh shut up, nothing trendy about it. people have different opinions. He was poor today and has been in all the games since break.

He wasn’t poor at all today. I won’t tell you to shut it because I disagree mind you.

Stonewall
01-02-2020, 08:10 PM
Here we go again, that’s a nonsense statement if it was trendy to rip Allan he would be ripped when he’s pish. That doesn’t happen.

Are you seriously advocating we rip into him then? It certainly sounds like it.

Lancs Harp
01-02-2020, 08:19 PM
He doesnt look fit to me and looks like hes carrying a few extra pounds.

JJP
01-02-2020, 08:22 PM
I thought he played well today. Surprised by the number of people who think otherwise.

MWHIBBIES
01-02-2020, 08:25 PM
He wasn’t poor at all today. I won’t tell you to shut it because I disagree mind you.

There is opinions and there is rubbish. Saying its trendy to rip allan is pure rubbish. Read the first 3 words of my opening post.

greenlex
01-02-2020, 08:40 PM
He’s not been at his best since the break. Somethings up.

Carheenlea
01-02-2020, 08:41 PM
You can see what he wants to do, and when it happens it is a joy to behold. Not always going to happen though and passes will not always find the man, but it’s a consequence of his playing style and mindset. Not every club would offer him the chance to play regularly in the way he does with us, but I’m glad we do. I sometimes wonder if the demands of the fans to play a certain way at Hibs is a bit of a myth, because you sense the support at times are too demanding on what we expect from Scott Allan rather than accepting him for what he actually is.

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 08:47 PM
There is opinions and there is rubbish. Saying its trendy to rip allan is pure rubbish. Read the first 3 words of my opening post.

I don’t think it’s rubbish at all. Every week now there seems to be threads saying how poor Allan is or has been. Loads of comments saying he’s been ***** all season and that’s in comparison with calling Newell the new Pirlo.

I’ll admit and apologise about not reading the full OP MHW and it wasn’t specifically aimed at your post but the ongoing criticism of the lad. 👍

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 08:47 PM
He’s not been at his best since the break. Somethings up.

Has anyone?

jeffers
01-02-2020, 08:48 PM
He's not at his best just now, but said this a few times he needs players in front of him making runs, but too often he looks up to see noone doing so. Doidge is doing well but he doesn't make those type of runs, so we are relying on Boyle who wasn't at his best today either.

hibsboy69
01-02-2020, 08:53 PM
He looks a little bit heavy to me

With him having Type 1 diabetes, I'm guessing it may be difficult for him to control his weight ?

Anyway rather than resting him (as some have suggested) I'd be putting him on a specialised fitness plan to help him lose a few pounds and get his sharpness back


GGTTH

FilipinoHibs
01-02-2020, 08:53 PM
Got MOM on the BBC.

Scouse Hibee
01-02-2020, 08:54 PM
Are you seriously advocating we rip into him then? It certainly sounds like it.

Of course not, I don’t advocate ripping into any player that wears the jersey, never been my style and never will be!

Hibeesmad
01-02-2020, 08:55 PM
He looks a little bit heavy to me

With him having Type 1 diabetes, I'm guessing it may be difficult for him to control his weight ?

Anyway rather than resting him (as some have suggested) I'd be putting him on a specialised fitness plan to help him lose a few pounds and get his sharpness back


GGTTH

I was thinking the same thing at the game.

Scouse Hibee
01-02-2020, 08:55 PM
He’s not been at his best since the break. Somethings up.

Ssh you’re not allowed to say that.

ian cruise
01-02-2020, 08:58 PM
I don’t think it’s rubbish at all. Every week now there seems to be threads saying how poor Allan is or has been. Loads of comments saying he’s been ***** all season and that’s in comparison with calling Newell the new Pirlo.

I’ll admit and apologise about not reading the full OP MHW and it wasn’t specifically aimed at your post but the ongoing criticism of the lad. 👍

I just think it's worth using him in a similar way that Celtic use Rogic and play him for 90 mins max, let him burst himself for that time safe in the knowledge he's not got another half hour to play. He's got the ability to do something special and change games but there as days when it just isn't working for him. In his first spell with us we suffered because we just played everything through him, teams knew that and just stopped him playing, which in turn stopped us. We need to be cautious not to fall in to that habit.

greenlex
01-02-2020, 09:02 PM
Has anyone?

You?

PH91
01-02-2020, 09:05 PM
He's not at his best just now, but said this a few times he needs players in front of him making runs, but too often he looks up to see noone doing so. Doidge is doing well but he doesn't make those type of runs, so we are relying on Boyle who wasn't at his best today either.

That's the point. He needs to learn that when there are no good runs happening to play a simple pass rather than try and thread one that was never really on.

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 09:12 PM
You?

I’m well under.

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 09:14 PM
I just think it's worth using him in a similar way that Celtic use Rogic and play him for 90 mins max, let him burst himself for that time safe in the knowledge he's not got another half hour to play. He's got the ability to do something special and change games but there as days when it just isn't working for him. In his first spell with us we suffered because we just played everything through him, teams knew that and just stopped him playing, which in turn stopped us. We need to be cautious not to fall in to that habit.

True. I also feel at times he’s trying too hard. Good point about how Rogic is used.

Mutu
01-02-2020, 09:48 PM
Big Allan fan but I don't think anyone could argue he had a good game today. Someone should do the stats because he gave away the ball a LOT today.

We didn't play to his strengths today - thought we were too direct and Allan wasn't getting good possession. Personally I think he's better playing deeper getting involved with the build up play with two strikers ahead of him rather than playing this advanced forward role.

Keyser Sauzee
01-02-2020, 09:50 PM
How many goals and assists has he got in all comps? He’s having his best season in terms of statistics I would bet but I think he’s looking shattered just now and needs a game or 2 on the side to freshen him up.

JohnM1875
01-02-2020, 10:16 PM
Docherty made Allan look like a part timer.

Allan looks slow and no turn of pace.

Docherty looks a real gem.

Hahaha. **** off?! A part timer? This kind of chat is actually embarrassing.

That would be the same Scott Allan that scored today eh?

The guy has been trying to push us forward as a team all season. I agree he now needs to realise it's not all down to him.

But part timer?! Jesus

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 10:19 PM
Hahaha. **** off?! A part timer? This kind of chat is actually embarrassing.

That would be the same Scott Allan that scored today eh?

The guy has been trying to push us forward as a team all season. I agree he now needs to realise it's not all down to him.

But part timer?! Jesus

100% this. He’s burning himself out trying to be action man when we are down 2-0.

JohnM1875
01-02-2020, 10:26 PM
100% this. He’s burning himself out trying to be action man when we are down 2-0.

I also lost count today, at 0-0 where he's standing in the middle in so much space but no one passed to him.

My word. Allan is the least of our worries!

The 90+2
01-02-2020, 10:33 PM
I also lost count today, at 0-0 where he's standing in the middle in so much space but no one passed to him.

My word. Allan is the least of our worries!

👍

hibs4life
01-02-2020, 10:57 PM
Big Allan fan but I don't think anyone could argue he had a good game today. Someone should do the stats because he gave away the ball a LOT today.

We didn't play to his strengths today - thought we were too direct and Allan wasn't getting good possession. Personally I think he's better playing deeper getting involved with the build up play with two strikers ahead of him rather than playing this advanced forward role.

I agree in part.
I think he did get a significant amount of possession but he lost the ball on numerous occasions and also seemed incapable of beating his man, which has been a bit of a trademark of his when he's on song. Looks like his fitness isn't quite where it's been or needs to be. Hopefully a temporary dip and he'll get his mojo back soon.

CMurdoch
01-02-2020, 11:07 PM
Tell Scott he is playing for 65 minutes and bring Horgan on for the last 25 plus added time.
This would help both players and the team.

Iggy Pope
01-02-2020, 11:09 PM
Tell Scott he is playing for 65 minutes and bring Horgan on for the last 25 plus added time.
This would help both players and the team.

Do you believe that?

Dr_Regal
01-02-2020, 11:18 PM
Thought he was abysmal for most of the game today

CMurdoch
01-02-2020, 11:30 PM
Do you believe that?

I certainly believe that half an hour sub Horgan is much better than starter Horgan.
Not totally sure about the Allan thing but would like Hibs to find a way of keeping him fresher and the best way of doing that is not to push him to the max all the time so 65 minutes a game might be a way of doing that.

Would like to see how things would go with Newell and Omeonga in the 2 as they were in the 1st half today with Allan and Docherty in front of them. Think the dynamism of Docherty next to Allan might help his performance.
The 2nd half after Newell went off was a real dugs dinner.

With the addition of Docherty I think Ross now has the tools to come up with the right midfield mix.

Keyser Sauzee
02-02-2020, 01:22 PM
Seen a post on Hibs Instagram saying he’s scored 9 goals with 9 assists this season, that’s an excellent return for this stage of the season. He’s not at his best the last month but he’s earned a little slack I think. Kamberi’s stats won’t be close to that and he was our best player supposedly by some on here.

MWHIBBIES
02-02-2020, 01:25 PM
Seen a post on Hibs Instagram saying he’s scored 9 goals with 9 assists this season, that’s an excellent return for this stage of the season. He’s not at his best the last month but he’s earned a little slack I think. Kamberi’s stats won’t be close to that and he was our best player supposedly by some on here.

Definitely agree. He has been very important but recently looking a bit leggy and losing the ball more than usual IMO

superfurryhibby
02-02-2020, 01:27 PM
Clearly not at his best Too easily dispossessed today and needs to learn when to
Play simple ball and not try the impossible
But took goal well

Agree on all counts. Allan tried too hard to force the game and make killer passes when they really weren’t on for him. Time for a rest is Ibrox when we need to hold onto the ball and try to match their energy, losing cheap possession like yesterday will see us suffer.

Hibbyradge
02-02-2020, 01:34 PM
Hope he’s dropped for midweek. Will be a passenger against Rangers.

Who for?

wookie70
02-02-2020, 02:49 PM
Who for?Newell gives creativity and some dig. Much better fit for the midfield at Ibrox. Keep him out for the cup game too and he can come back rested for the games ahead. Something seems to have happened with his fitness/illness in the last month as he looks heavier, slower and less likely to do 90 minutes. His workrate which was good early on in the season has also dropped right off imo.

Ronniekirk
02-02-2020, 03:39 PM
Newell gives creativity and some dig. Much better fit for the midfield at Ibrox. Keep him out for the cup game too and he can come back rested for the games ahead. Something seems to have happened with his fitness/illness in the last month as he looks heavier, slower and less likely to do 90 minutes. His workrate which was good early on in the season has also dropped right off imo.

Did Newell not take a knock on sat hence subbed
Doherty won’t be allowed to play v Parent Club and Murray too I experienced So not a lot of choice


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The_Exile
02-02-2020, 03:46 PM
In relation to the diabetes chat, as a type 1 diabetic myself, I can confirm it's all utter bollocks. The medical technology we have now, it's a breeze to keep things under control and it doesn't affect endurance, weight, fitness or anything else.

coldingham hibs
02-02-2020, 04:12 PM
Thought he was abysmal for most of the game today

Yes, no pace and knocked off the ball so easily. Looks like he’s carrying a bit extra weight but only Hibs know if that’s the case. He can make a killer pass and change a game but also restricts our options and can be a man down.

Allant1981
02-02-2020, 04:31 PM
Yes, no pace and knocked off the ball so easily. Looks like he’s carrying a bit extra weight but only Hibs know if that’s the case. He can make a killer pass and change a game but also restricts our options and can be a man down.

Had plenty of pace when running through the pitch for his goal yesterday

MWHIBBIES
02-02-2020, 04:32 PM
In relation to the diabetes chat, as a type 1 diabetic myself, I can confirm it's all utter bollocks. The medical technology we have now, it's a breeze to keep things under control and it doesn't affect endurance, weight, fitness or anything else.

Scott has never once used it as an excuse himself so I've really no idea why everyone else is.

Scouse Hibee
02-02-2020, 05:03 PM
Scott has never once used it as an excuse himself so I've really no idea why everyone else is.

Because it suits the apologists who can see him do no wrong.

Eyrie
02-02-2020, 05:39 PM
Had plenty of pace when running through the pitch for his goal yesterday

Not so sure about plenty of pace rather than decent. Boyle played a through ball for Allan in the second half that would have been a goal the other way round, but Allan was never close to getting on the end of it despite trying his best.

Pace isn't Allan's game though so I'm not worried about that as long as he has the stamina for 90 minutes.

Allant1981
02-02-2020, 05:45 PM
Not so sure about plenty of pace rather than decent. Boyle played a through ball for Allan in the second half that would have been a goal the other way round, but Allan was never close to getting on the end of it despite trying his best.

Pace isn't Allan's game though so I'm not worried about that as long as he has the stamina for 90 minutes.

Aye plenty of pace may have been an exaggeration on my part but he isnt a slouch either, as you say though that's not his game

yerauldda
02-02-2020, 05:46 PM
Not so sure about plenty of pace rather than decent. Boyle played a through ball for Allan in the second half that would have been a goal the other way round, but Allan was never close to getting on the end of it despite trying his best.

Pace isn't Allan's game though so I'm not worried about that as long as he has the stamina for 90 minutes.

He had literally just gone down with an injury about a minute before that and was hobbling around.

He’s the most gifted player at the club and is still contributing hugely without being on form. 9 goals & 9 assists this season is a terrific return for someone in his position. Let’s not take what is an exceptional player at our level for granted.

B.H.F.C
02-02-2020, 06:17 PM
Not so sure about plenty of pace rather than decent. Boyle played a through ball for Allan in the second half that would have been a goal the other way round, but Allan was never close to getting on the end of it despite trying his best.

Pace isn't Allan's game though so I'm not worried about that as long as he has the stamina for 90 minutes.

He’s not got pace, as such, but he’s normally a strong runner with the ball and has that burst to get away from people. Since the break, that just doesn’t look to be there. He’s lost his sharpness.

Mutu
02-02-2020, 06:40 PM
I agree in part.
I think he did get a significant amount of possession but he lost the ball on numerous occasions and also seemed incapable of beating his man, which has been a bit of a trademark of his when he's on song. Looks like his fitness isn't quite where it's been or needs to be. Hopefully a temporary dip and he'll get his mojo back soon.
His fitness is as good as it's ever been I think, he's just not an athlete so does fade as the game goes later.

Hope Ross keeps putting faith in him because he is delivering despite poor performances.

jacomo
02-02-2020, 09:04 PM
Because it suits the apologists who can see him do no wrong.


I don’t think this is fair at all.

Stubbs said when we had him here the first time that the club was helping him to manage his condition. I think this is an undeniable fact, whether or not Scott chooses to speak about it himself.

All of us are speculating on how his diabetes affects his performance, but it is a legitimate subject for discussion, no?

ancient hibee
02-02-2020, 09:58 PM
He’s not got pace, as such, but he’s normally a strong runner with the ball and has that burst to get away from people. Since the break, that just doesn’t look to be there. He’s lost his sharpness.
Think the most important thing about his pace is the lightning pace between his ears.Far too fast for some in the team.

HibsNibs
02-02-2020, 10:17 PM
I wish he would stop trying to score from corners, keeper caught 4 that I counted, his touch wasnt there either n passing was slow, let's hope he gets back to his usual form soon cos as we all know when hes on his game hes unplayable for the opposition

Agreed. I think he needs to vary the corners a bit, maybe chuck in an outswinger now and then.

BILLYHIBS
02-02-2020, 10:29 PM
At 0-2 on Saturday he visibly stepped up a gear and hauled us back into the game with a very good well worked goal

He tired second half and seemed to be persistent in trying his famed reverse pass and unusually for him kept giving the ball away

The sublimely brilliant player of his second spell with us is fast becoming a distant memory

Jack Ross is only just in the door and I am sure he knows what Scott Allan is capable of and what he brings to the team and will endeavour to get the best out of him

MWHIBBIES
02-02-2020, 10:44 PM
At 0-2 on Saturday he visibly stepped up a gear and hauled us back into the game with a very good well worked goal

He tired second half and seemed to be persistent in trying his famed reverse pass and unusually for him kept giving the ball away

The sublimely brilliant player of his second spell with us is fast becoming a distant memory

Jack Ross is only just in the door and I am sure he knows what Scott Allan is capable of and what he brings to the team and will endeavour to get the best out of him

Okay. It's a massive exaggeration to say that the player he was is becoming distant memory. In fact, it's nonsense. He will finish the season well into double figures for goals and assists. Won't be many Hibs players in last 40 years done that.

Jim44
02-02-2020, 10:46 PM
In relation to the diabetes chat, as a type 1 diabetic myself, I can confirm it's all utter bollocks. The medical technology we have now, it's a breeze to keep things under control and it doesn't affect endurance, weight, fitness or anything else.


Scott has never once used it as an excuse himself so I've really no idea why everyone else is.

You’re correct T_E, but I don’t think it quite as straightforward. Here’s some interesting stuff from the Diabetes.co.uk website in which Scott has contributed info about himself.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/sport/football-and-diabetes.html

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2015/02/my-ideal-number-before-playing-would-be-five-mmoll-hibernian-footballer-scott-allan-on-type-one-management/

BILLYHIBS
02-02-2020, 11:01 PM
Okay. It's a massive exaggeration to say that the player he was is becoming distant memory. In fact, it's nonsense. He will finish the season well into double figures for goals and assists. Won't be many Hibs players in last 40 years done that.

Just responding to your OP

“Yes he took his goal very well but struggled otherwise looks very slow corners were so poor”

After all you asked me for my thoughts?

You started it

I think we are both agreed that lately he has not been the player he was and to me he does not look right

I am sure Scott Allan would be the first to agree

Yes he will probably get double figures as he is sitting on nine just now though not sure if “well in” or not

Whatever is ailing him needs to be addressed he needs to get his mojo back

We want the old Scott Allan back!

Oh by the bye I am diabetic and it ain’t pretty

Scott Allan has my total and undying respect

FilipinoHibs
03-02-2020, 12:21 AM
He is defo losing pocession more or being caught in pocession. A few more misplaced passes. Maybe trying to hard or tiring after his first full season with one team. But as others say scoring and making plenty of assists. Also think he is being tightly marked and closed down by the opposition with them puting up to 3 players on him.

BILLYHIBS
03-02-2020, 06:20 AM
[QUOTE=FilipinoHibs;6071466]He is defo losing pocession more or being caught in pocession. A few more misplaced passes. Maybe trying to hard or tiring after his first full season with one team. But as others say scoring and making plenty of assists. Also think he is being tightly marked and closed down by the opposition with them puting up to 3 players on him.[/QUOTE
:agree:

JimBHibees
03-02-2020, 06:28 AM
Also possible he has a knock or strain and not able to train as hard as he would like but can still play. You would have assumed he would be sharper after training week away however he does get booted a lot so possible he is carrying some injury.

BILLYHIBS
03-02-2020, 06:35 AM
Also possible he has a knock or strain and not able to train as hard as he would like but can still play. You would have assumed he would be sharper after training week away however he does get booted a lot so possible he is carrying some injury.

:agree:

Got caught a dull one second half was lying on the touch line by the West Stand down hill end

Scouse Hibee
03-02-2020, 06:36 AM
I don’t think this is fair at all.

Stubbs said when we had him here the first time that the club was helping him to manage his condition. I think this is an undeniable fact, whether or not Scott chooses to speak about it himself.

All of us are speculating on how his diabetes affects his performance, but it is a legitimate subject for discussion, no?

Okay fair point.

FilipinoHibs
03-02-2020, 09:18 AM
:agree:

Got caught a dull one second half was lying on the touch line by the West Stand down hill end

His treatment by oppo players this season has been disgraceful. Kicked to f***k. Must be black and blue. Just gets up and carries. Oppo obviously targeting him with close marking with several players and kicking him. A recognition of hus quality.

Unseen work
03-02-2020, 01:48 PM
What’s that he’s got now? 9 goals and 9 assists? Very impressive for someone in his position to get that by the start of February.

The past couple of weeks he’s not been at his best but has still chipped in with a couple of goals and assists.

I think diabetes whilst needs managed, doesn’t have such a huge impact on him as some fans thinks. He’s had it for a long time and been managing it throughout his career.

This however, is the level he is at and is the longest run he’s had in a team at this level in his career so of course form will dip.

I think when he’s not playing well he then tries to hard to make up for it when sometimes it would be better for him and the team to just keep it simple, regain possession and give everyone a breather. At times it’s very rushed and is asking a lot of his team mates to always make the runs in behind.

He’s a great player though and I’m delighted he’s here.

Him and Mallan whilst both can be frustrating are technically excellent and contribute a hell of a lot of goals and assists. We just need some players to compliment them more and they will excel.

G B Young
03-02-2020, 01:55 PM
What’s that he’s got now? 9 goals and 9 assists? Very impressive for someone in his position to get that by the start of February.

The past couple of weeks he’s not been at his best but has still chipped in with a couple of goals and assists.

I think diabetes whilst needs managed, doesn’t have such a huge impact on him as some fans thinks. He’s had it for a long time and been managing it throughout his career.

This however, is the level he is at and is the longest run he’s had in a team at this level in his career so of course form will dip.

I think when he’s not playing well he then tries to hard to make up for it when sometimes it would be better for him and the team to just keep it simple, regain possession and give everyone a breather. At times it’s very rushed and is asking a lot of his team mates to always make the runs in behind.

He’s a great player though and I’m delighted he’s here.

Him and Mallan whilst both can be frustrating are technically excellent and contribute a hell of a lot of goals and assists. We just need some players to compliment them more and they will excel.

Indeed. I've not been able to get to many games lately but when I watch the highlights he's regularly involved in either setting up or scoring goals (both cup ties v United in particular). And it's little more than a month since he was instrumental in our win at Tynecastle. Obviously highlights don't tell the whole story and I'm happy to accept from those who have been at recent games that he's seemed a little off the boil - and I'd concede that from looking at the TV pictures he appears a fraction heavier than usual. He's too good a player for any perceived dip in form to last long though.

Anthony Soprano
03-02-2020, 02:44 PM
I actually thought some of his corners were decent, and we just wern't quick enough in the box to knock them in when the keeper fumbled them.

There was a poor one that went out of play and the one that hit the bar, but majority were right on top of the keeper and made it very awkward for him, we just weren't quick enough to react for the second ball

The 90+2
03-02-2020, 03:28 PM
He’s working harder also than the other periods he was with us as instructed by Hecky and continued under Ross. He was used a lot more as a luxury player with runners around him previously.

Allant1981
03-02-2020, 03:32 PM
Hopefully as we get Docherty and omeonga settled into the team it means allan is not having to do as much of the dirty work and let him play his natural game, despite him not being at his best recently we are worse off without him in my opinion

Stonewall
03-02-2020, 03:35 PM
I still think that overall he is an asset to the team.

My hope is that with Docherty and Omeonga behind him they will play with a bit more pace, getting the ball forward to him more quickly and allowing him to pick his passes and that McNulty's movement will give him another target to hit.

ancient hibee
03-02-2020, 05:52 PM
Every time I've seen Allan this season he's been kicked.Usually it's the calf or the back of his ankle.Usually it's deliberate as players come right through him.Not surprising he can look weary.However for his goal he had a turn of speed to take the ball,make the pass and take the return while shrugging off the guy trying to lean into him.Takes guts to play like he does.

The 90+2
03-02-2020, 05:54 PM
Hopefully as we get Docherty and omeonga settled into the team it means allan is not having to do as much of the dirty work and let him play his natural game, despite him not being at his best recently we are worse off without him in my opinion

Completely agree 👍

The 90+2
03-02-2020, 05:55 PM
Every time I've seen Allan this season he's been kicked.Usually it's the calf or the back of his ankle.Usually it's deliberate as players come right through him.Not surprising he can look weary.However for his goal he had a turn of speed to take the ball,make the pass and take the return while shrugging off the guy trying to lean into him.Takes guts to play like he does.

It’s because he’s using far more energy than before.

Smartie
03-02-2020, 07:02 PM
It’s because he’s using far more energy than before.

He’s had to complete a few pretty gruelling 90 minutes’ as well without being subbed.

The 90+2
03-02-2020, 07:30 PM
He’s had to complete a few pretty gruelling 90 minutes’ as well without being subbed.

Yep. As said before, if he’s now got legs beside him then hopefully he’s asked now to go back to the ball player he was before. Not that I’m complaining he’s had the determination to add the energy and fitness side to his game, that itself is a positive.

wookie70
03-02-2020, 07:34 PM
I actually thought some of his corners were decent, and we just wern't quick enough in the box to knock them in when the keeper fumbled them.

There was a poor one that went out of play and the one that hit the bar, but majority were right on top of the keeper and made it very awkward for him, we just weren't quick enough to react for the second ball

I was the same. His set pieces are usually very poor just chipped in with little pace. Newells are far better. However, I thought he hit a decent number of good set piece deliveries against the buddies.

Jdawg
03-02-2020, 09:29 PM
Clearly not at his best Too easily dispossessed today and needs to learn when to
Play simple ball and not try the impossible
But took goal well

Got his goal by playing a simple pass to Boyle then good run into the box. Spot on.

He tries reverse passes so often and they are either never on or he passes too softly and that lets teams counter us due to half the team bring out of position.

erin go bragh
04-02-2020, 10:40 PM
Only Hibs player to make it into Sutton’s team of the week . No bad for him being out of form 😉

HH81
03-03-2020, 08:59 PM
Really poor today, where has the flair player gone.

Looks like he has no energy these days.

Dr_Regal
03-03-2020, 09:01 PM
He looks seriously ill to me.

Steve20
03-03-2020, 09:02 PM
Not to worry. He’ll be anonymous for 89 minutes in a game soon but play one through ball and he’ll be a hero.

He’s been awful for a while now.

Springbank
03-03-2020, 09:03 PM
He was hearts motm tonight

Hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard

Needs to really step up if he wants to be in the matchday squad for the semi final

cabbage_88
03-03-2020, 09:03 PM
Needs dropped for a long run of games. His recent performances have been utterly abysmal apart from against championship Inverness

Lee Marvin
03-03-2020, 09:04 PM
As bad an individual performance as you will likely ever see.

Weegreenman
03-03-2020, 09:04 PM
He looked shattered today


He ought to come and do a shift at my workplace, I’ll show him what proper shattered really is.

SeanWilson
03-03-2020, 09:05 PM
He's a player who's outstanding if allowed to play his role for 90 minutes. If he's bullied/the team are bullied... He's useless. Look at Dundee utd game for prime example.

hfc rd
03-03-2020, 09:05 PM
He’s been very poor for a while. Just nothing seems to be going for him.

JohnM1875
03-03-2020, 09:07 PM
It was honestly an embarrassing performance. Absolutely shocking. Definitely needs a wee spell on the bench.

CMurdoch
03-03-2020, 09:07 PM
Great player if given space and time in a game where his team is on top.

SideBurns
03-03-2020, 09:08 PM
Usually, he produces at least one piece of magic (often a goal or assist) which justifies his selection. But I can't recall the last time I really thought he played well, and tonight he was anonymous. Too often these days he gets caught on the ball or gives it away.

Green-Hibee-7
03-03-2020, 09:09 PM
Leave out in the Semi. Like a man down if he’s got people pressing him. Disgraceful tonight but he wasn’t alone. Truly awful performance from Hibs.

Speedway
03-03-2020, 09:09 PM
If he wasn’t SA, the bile towards him tonight would be off the scale on here.

J-C
03-03-2020, 09:10 PM
Really not a game for Allan, we needed more legs in the middle and he just isn't up for a fight like tonight, when he gets time he's outstanding but not in games like this.

Currie Hibee
03-03-2020, 09:10 PM
He was a joke. Passenger and his only contribution was diving.

Swedish hibee
03-03-2020, 09:13 PM
Worst player of the 1st half. And I could have had my pick..

JammyDoidger
03-03-2020, 09:14 PM
Looks fat.

Since452
03-03-2020, 09:16 PM
Waste of a jersey and ****ed it for the pen

Green Badger
03-03-2020, 09:29 PM
If he wasn’t SA, the bile towards him tonight would be off the scale on here.

Agreed, imagine if that performance had been from Slivka....

Nicho87
03-03-2020, 09:45 PM
Loses ball, sprints ten yards to be side stepped.

Repeat

No where near as effective as he has been recently.

Ross should have changed his position as he was a wasted jersey.

calumhibee1
03-03-2020, 09:52 PM
Dreadful. Needs dropped.

hibee_girl
03-03-2020, 09:53 PM
Dreadful. Needs dropped.

He’s been needing dropped for weeks now

Heisenberg
03-03-2020, 09:54 PM
Drop him for Aberdeen and play Whittaker behind Omeonga and Docherty.

Del Boy
03-03-2020, 09:55 PM
Drop him and tell him to get finger out. Hopeless tonight

wookie70
03-03-2020, 10:01 PM
Not really a surprise how poor he was tonight. He has been below average since the break in a team playing quite well and completely out of sorts if under any pressure. He has at least put some effort in during most of the games where he has been poor but his performance tonight should see him dropped immediately. He simply never tried a leg. Steph seems to be getting pelters but for the first hour at least he and Boyle were the only middle to front players that looked remotely interested. Ross must have been watching a different game to let the way we were playing continue without a change for so long. Whittaker must scratch his head at the abuse he has had on here when he sees the way others are treated.

ancient hibee
03-03-2020, 10:04 PM
Allan’s free kicks are a gift to the opposition.He’s totally off his game just now and too often fails to make the simple pass when it’s on.

Sir David Gray
03-03-2020, 10:04 PM
Shocker tonight. Totally anonymous.

The Captain....
03-03-2020, 10:09 PM
Hes looked progressively more jiggered every passing week. It's possible his first full season in years is taking its toll. He was so slow and ponderous tonight..the game completely passed him by.

He looks like he needs a rest to me.

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1620
03-03-2020, 10:15 PM
Shocker tonight. Totally anonymous.

He is a luxury player. When given time he can play his killer passes, which we all love to see. I am pretty sure JR has told him he needs to do more in a game however to justify his position in the team and I think his form has dipped drastically since he has been asked to do more chasing around in order to win back the ball, which he attempts to do now, but at which he is hopeless and a derby game is not his scene where there is more emphasis on the physical aspects of the game.

Hillsidehibby
03-03-2020, 10:19 PM
and you wonder why he couldn't get a game for Celtic, Dundee Utd and the rest.

Had it with him as well

Allez Hibs
03-03-2020, 10:22 PM
Some of the criticism of Scott Allan is ridiculous!

Callum_62
03-03-2020, 10:22 PM
and you wonder why he couldn't get a game for Celtic, Dundee Utd and the rest.

Had it with him as wellHe broke into the utd team as a kid and left after 8 games to go down south

Mind Houston was raging

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tamig
03-03-2020, 10:24 PM
He’s been poor for weeks and it’s a shame Mallan isn’t available yet. Halberg has played further back in his time here so far but is apparently a more forward thinking player. I’d give him a shot there.

jeffers
03-03-2020, 10:24 PM
Some of the criticism of Scott Allan is ridiculous!

Absolutely.

He’s not playing as he can just now and I wouldn’t argue with him being dropped, but let’s not just ignore his goals and assists this season because he is going through a bad spell.

tamig
03-03-2020, 10:25 PM
Some of the criticism of Scott Allan is ridiculous!

Some of it is just wrong. Some crazy comments. However, he has been poor for weeks.

Callum_62
03-03-2020, 10:26 PM
Absolutely.

He’s not playing as he can just now and I wouldn’t argue with him being dropped, but let’s not just ignore his goals and assists this season because he is going through a bad spell.10 goals 10 assists

Not a bad return but definately something not quite right

I'm said it a few times but he seems to have lost some athleticism

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CentreLine
03-03-2020, 10:48 PM
What, in the name of the wee man, was he thinking of when giving away the penalty. If I didn’t know better I’d be checking the players betting slips after that performance.

madhatter
03-03-2020, 10:52 PM
He looks nothing like the Scott Allan we had on loan or first time around. He used to glide around the pitch with his head up but now he is almost falling over the ball and is looking very clumsy. I have absolutely no idea what has happened to him.

I'm Spartacus
03-03-2020, 11:15 PM
Some of the criticism of Scott Allan is ridiculous!

I agree, by that I mean it's too leinient.

He's only Hibs class when he had 2 sensational players beside him.

tamig
03-03-2020, 11:18 PM
I agree, by that I mean it's too leinient.

He's only Hibs class when he had 2 sensational players beside him.

John McGinn wasn’t beside him when he was the top player in the first Championship season. Nonsense.

Unseen work
03-03-2020, 11:19 PM
He came back flying and very fit but seems to have put a bit of weight back on.

He’s certainly improved in scoring more goals but his overall play hasn’t been the best.

Imo he was shutting off a lot of Boyles spaces tonight by running towards the area he would run into.

Allan is really good at delivering something special, but I honestly feel that if he kept it simple sometimes he would go to the next level. Hold it in, be strong and play a 1-2. More give and go’s instead of a eye of the needle every time!

Jdawg
04-03-2020, 12:04 AM
He came back flying and very fit but seems to have put a bit of weight back on.

He’s certainly improved in scoring more goals but his overall play hasn’t been the best.

Imo he was shutting off a lot of Boyles spaces tonight by running towards the area he would run into.

Allan is really good at delivering something special, but I honestly feel that if he kept it simple sometimes he would go to the next level. Hold it in, be strong and play a 1-2. More give and go’s instead of a eye of the needle every time!

Hence why he could barely get a game for Celtic. Christie can do what Allan does but offers far more all round.

When Allan is on song, wow! When he isn’t then he is so poor. Should have been hooked at halftime with McNulty.

jeffers
04-03-2020, 12:10 AM
I agree, by that I mean it's too leinient.

He's only Hibs class when he had 2 sensational players beside him.

Absolute pish. Did you watch him earlier in the season or in his very first season with us ?

Anthony Soprano
04-03-2020, 11:31 AM
John McGinn wasn’t beside him when he was the top player in the first Championship season. Nonsense.

Championship being the key word there.

Easy to look good playing against plumbers

Anthony Soprano
04-03-2020, 11:34 AM
Looks like he's lost a yard of pace and defintely put on some weight.

When he can stand and pick a pass he's brilliant but doesn't cope well under pressure and struggles to get about the pitch.

Definitely needs benched for a couple weeks

tamig
04-03-2020, 08:58 PM
Championship being the key word there.

Easy to look good playing against plumbers

Aye the most competitive Championship ever with the hun and hertz in there.

bawheid
04-03-2020, 09:05 PM
Great player, going through a poor spell. He’ll be back. Realise this isn’t good enough in 2020.

keep the faith
04-03-2020, 09:11 PM
Championship being the key word there.

Easy to look good playing against plumbers

Pretty keen to put the boot into our best player huh?

Itsnoteasy
04-03-2020, 09:24 PM
Really not a game for Allan, we needed more legs in the middle and he just isn't up for a fight like tonight, when he gets time he's outstanding but not in games like this.

Let's just use him against the ICTs of this world 🙄

Shrekko
04-03-2020, 09:33 PM
He had a whole year out last season. He should have been used a bit more sparingly this season I think. When he’s fresh and sharp he produces regularly. I actually think there are games he’d be better used from the bench though.

wallpaperman
05-03-2020, 05:54 AM
Some of the posts on here are incredible, one bad game and you’re history it seems.

I am of the opinion that he could be somewhat fatigued, and with his diabetes it would be no shock if this was the case.

if you look at his wiki page, other than the full season 2014/15 he played with us in the championship (42 games total) , the number of games he has played this season (39), is massively beyond what he is used to, and we are only in early March.

Other than 14/15 and this year, the most games he’s played in a season is 23, not very many.

Scott deserves a bit of slack for one bad game, and some of the comments on here make me wonder.

Smartie
05-03-2020, 06:00 AM
Great player, going through a poor spell. He’ll be back. Realise this isn’t good enough in 2020.

Great post, all parts of it are correct.

Onion
05-03-2020, 06:04 AM
Scott is a decent player but a bit flawed. If he could perform regularly at the high level we’ve seen, he would not be at Hibs. JR needs to work behind the scenes to support him and get him back to his best. Scott is a match winner and more than capable of being the standout performer at Hampden in the Semi.

J-C
05-03-2020, 06:11 AM
Let's just use him against the ICTs of this world 🙄

He's not been great this past few weeks apart from the odd bit of magic here and there, we knew the type of game Hearts were going to make it. I'd have played Whittaker with Docherty and Omeonga who give energy but all hindsight. As others have said he's not played a lot in the past year or so, so maybe tiring a wee bit.

Lago
05-03-2020, 11:23 AM
Great post, all parts of it are correct.
Agree 👍

thebausburst
05-03-2020, 03:15 PM
Allan is a very good player and every pundit, ex player and manager recognise him as such. Whilst he was poor on Tuesday he wasn’t the only one, the midfield balance clearly wasn’t right and Hearts high press worked well and Hibs could not cope with it.

MWHIBBIES
05-03-2020, 03:27 PM
Allan is a very good player and every pundit, ex player and manager recognise him as such. Whilst he was poor on Tuesday he wasn’t the only one, the midfield balance clearly wasn’t right and Hearts high press worked well and Hibs could not cope with it.

I wish Allan was poor on Tuesday. He was absolutely awful and totally ****ed us by giving away a penalty.

Since452
05-03-2020, 03:41 PM
I wish Allan was poor on Tuesday. He was absolutely awful and totally ****ed us by giving away a penalty.

He was painfully poor

Robbo6-2
05-03-2020, 03:48 PM
It isnt just Tuesday.

Hes been poor for weeks

Waxy
05-03-2020, 04:05 PM
I wish Allan was poor on Tuesday. He was absolutely awful and totally ****ed us by giving away a penalty.

It maybe was a pen but no way was it deliberate.

wookie70
05-03-2020, 04:15 PM
Some of the posts on here are incredible, one bad game and you’re history it seems.

I am of the opinion that he could be somewhat fatigued, and with his diabetes it would be no shock if this was the case.

if you look at his wiki page, other than the full season 2014/15 he played with us in the championship (42 games total) , the number of games he has played this season (39), is massively beyond what he is used to, and we are only in early March.

Other than 14/15 and this year, the most games he’s played in a season is 23, not very many.

Scott deserves a bit of slack for one bad game, and some of the comments on here make me wonder.

He has had way more than one bad game and to me he is deteriorating in terms of performance. He started off pretty well even when the team weren't playing well. He should now be playing better given Boyle often draws an extra player and he now has more targets to aim those passes at. For me he has been poor since the break if not slightly before that.

He does still produce but he has been needing dropped for a good while and recently he is looking like the player we first had who sulked when passes never came off and started pointing to where players should have been. His work rate has fallen again and he is now regularly first sub after an hour. No doubt he has great quality but it is only seen very rarely now and for every wonder pass he gives the ball away and it can hurt us. Look at the Livi game where he played a simple pass to Doc and then never burst a gut as Livi went up our end to score. He deserve exactly the same treatment as other players no more and no less and he seems to be beyond criticism for many on here. He was a man short on Tuesday and to me never tried a leg. It surprised me that it took so long to take him off but Ross is probably aware of the hammering Heck took when he played Allan out of position.

Give him a rest for 2 or 3 games and see if Murray, Newell or Docherty do in a similar role.

EVENTUALLY
05-03-2020, 07:33 PM
He has had way more than one bad game and to me he is deteriorating in terms of performance. He started off pretty well even when the team weren't playing well. He should now be playing better given Boyle often draws an extra player and he now has more targets to aim those passes at. For me he has been poor since the break if not slightly before that.

He does still produce but he has been needing dropped for a good while and recently he is looking like the player we first had who sulked when passes never came off and started pointing to where players should have been. His work rate has fallen again and he is now regularly first sub after an hour. No doubt he has great quality but it is only seen very rarely now and for every wonder pass he gives the ball away and it can hurt us. Look at the Livi game where he played a simple pass to Doc and then never burst a gut as Livi went up our end to score. He deserve exactly the same treatment as other players no more and no less and he seems to be beyond criticism for many on here. He was a man short on Tuesday and to me never tried a leg. It surprised me that it took so long to take him off but Ross is probably aware of the hammering Heck took when he played Allan out of position.

Give him a rest for 2 or 3 games and see if Murray, Newell or Docherty do in a similar role.

Scott is IMHO the most tightly marked player in the SPFL right now and often has to deal with a dedicated peripheral marker when he has shaken off or avoided a challenge from his principal opponent. He is a victim of his own success and suffers unwarranted criticism for attempting to create things at the top half of the pitch. I would like to see him right in the middle of the park as part of a dynamic midfield quartet. His ability and range of passing provides him with the opportunity to influence the play from there in a meaningful and enterprising way and with a wee bit more time to increase his success rate to execute killer passes and moves.
He would always be in my team.

wookie70
05-03-2020, 07:57 PM
Scott is IMHO the most tightly marked player in the SPFL right now and often has to deal with a dedicated peripheral marker when he has shaken off or avoided a challenge from his principal opponent. He is a victim of his own success and suffers unwarranted criticism for attempting to create things at the top half of the pitch. I would like to see him right in the middle of the park as part of a dynamic midfield quartet. His ability and range of passing provides him with the opportunity to influence the play from there in a meaningful and enterprising way and with a wee bit more time to increase his success rate to execute killer passes and moves.
He would always be in my team.

He was more tightly marked earlier in the season when he was playing far better. Much less so since Boyle returned. I would argue he gets massive support for trying all those 10/1 balls which often result in giving away good possession but also give us some great goals. I think he has the balance wrong in terms of decision making and he gives up possession too often when the reward isn't worth the risk. Having someone always in your team when they are playing poorly isn't the best idea and he really needs to up his success rate with passes as even the simpler balls are now going astray. I'm sure he will get his form back but he has had 5 or 6 games to play himself into form and he looks as poor or poorer now as he did at the break.