Leigh Griffiths

[jacomo]

That isn't strictly true. Celtic might want too much wages and he'd need to waive some because Hibs couldn't afford it.


Not sure you understand how the loan system works.

[J-C]

That isn't strictly true. Celtic might want too much wages and he'd need to waive some because Hibs couldn't afford it.


This is what happened with Allan, Celtic wanted more money than we were willing to pay and the loan fell through.

[MWHIBBIES]

This is what happened with Allan, Celtic wanted more money than we were willing to pay and the loan fell through.Yeah, indeed. Allan rightfully wasn't willing to give up money he was due, Leigh would be the same.


Not sure you understand how the loan system works.

I understand perfectly well. His full wages have to be payed or he needs to waive them. Why would Celtic loan him to a division rival for 10% of his wages?

[xyz23jc]

Yeah, indeed. Allan rightfully wasn't willing to give up money he was due, Leigh would be the same.



I understand perfectly well. His full wages have to be payed or he needs to waive them. Why would Celtic loan him to a division rival for 10% of his wages?

Hopefully, to f*** The The's! :greengrin

[zitelli62]

Let's bring him home now steph's back this could end up being a very memorable window.

[hibee-boys]

Let's bring him home now steph's back this could end up being a very memorable window.

Too many of us with questionable lifestyles on here for them to announce Griffiths and Steph in one evening.....our hearts couldn't take it😥😂

[Greencore]

What's Saul said about leigh?

[jacomo]

Yeah, indeed. Allan rightfully wasn't willing to give up money he was due, Leigh would be the same.



I understand perfectly well. His full wages have to be payed or he needs to waive them. Why would Celtic loan him to a division rival for 10% of his wages?


Celtc have loaned players to us at a fraction of their wages before.

Name a player who has waived some of their pay to go on loan to another team.

[RoYO!]

Dear Leigh, please sign. Bang double figures goals in. Take Scotland to the Euros.
Many thanks.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Dear Leigh, please sign. Bang double figures goals in. Take Scotland to the Euros.
Many thanks.

Sums it up

[Peevemor]

Celtc have loaned players to us at a fraction of their wages before.

Name a player who has waived some of their pay to go on loan to another team.Naismith at Hearts?

[Gmack7]

Naismith at Hearts?

did he not sit in his house and miss pre season training at hertz to pick up his bonus months payment at Norwich. I'm not sure he made any financial sacrifices

[green day]

did he not sit in his house and miss pre season training at hertz to pick up his bonus months payment at Norwich. I'm not sure he made any financial sacrifices

I think you are right from memory.

And why not, its a job after all?

These guys need to make as much as they can from football as all the fan adulation in the world doesnt feed the family once they have stopped playing.

He may be on a rumoured £19k a week at Celtic, but just how much of that LG sees after tax and paying for his several kids is up for debate. Anyone thinking he might "waive" his contracted salary is nuts.



Actually this got me thinking, with the regular stories of players earning and losing fortunes - does the SPFA do work with players on how to hold on to the cash, dealing with tax and so on? You would hope so, as many of these young guys dont strike me as particularly savvy about what happens after they stop playing.

[jacomo]

Naismith at Hearts?


Nope I don’t think so. He continued to enjoy his full contract from Norwich with Hearts contributing an unspecified %.

[J-C]

No footballer takes a wage hit to go on loan, clubs agre a % of the wage to be paid. We got Allan for free when Ceĺtic wanted Bain but they demanded full wage paid that summer in 2018, Allan knew Celtic were being dicks and was happy to sign the pre contract.

[calumhibee1]

Actually this got me thinking, with the regular stories of players earning and losing fortunes - does the SPFA do work with players on how to hold on to the cash, dealing with tax and so on? You would hope so, as many of these young guys dont strike me as particularly savvy about what happens after they stop playing.

Not sure but ESPN done a documentary called “Broke” about top level American sports stars. Apparently around 80 odd percent of them file for bankruptcy after retirement because they’ve nothing left. A mixture of frivolous spending, leaches and bad investments.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Not sure but ESPN done a documentary called “Broke” about top level American sports stars. Apparently around 80 odd percent of them file for bankruptcy after retirement because they’ve nothing left. A mixture of frivolous spending, leaches and bad investments.

Financial management and Wellbeing should be a fundamental and mandatory course for footballers who can find themselves going from nothing to tens of thousands of pounds per week. It can be easy for people to feel nothing for those that end up bankrupt or going off the rails giving the life changing impact of such contracts.

[Eyrie]

did he not sit in his house and miss pre season training at hertz to pick up his bonus months payment at Norwich. I'm not sure he made any financial sacrifices

I think Whittaker did the same when he left Norwich to come back.

And the story at the time was that Naismith was on £50k per week at Norwich, and took a pay cut of £10k per week to help the loan deal go through.

[Oscar T Grouch]

From BBC gossip

Leigh Griffiths may get the chance to relaunch his Celtic career against Partick Thistle this evening as manager Neil Lennon revealed he is in no rush to see the striker leave the club. (Glasgow Times)

[Keith_M]

:singing:

"He's co-ming home,
He's co-ming home,,
He's co-ming
Sparky's coming home!"

[MWHIBBIES]

Celtc have loaned players to us at a fraction of their wages before.

Name a player who has waived some of their pay to go on loan to another team.

I don't need to name a player to know it can happen. Obviously it can happen. Name a player who hasn't waived part of their pay? You haven't seen any loan contracts, same as me so you've no idea.

[Daydreamer]

From BBC gossip

Leigh Griffiths may get the chance to relaunch his Celtic career against Partick Thistle this evening as manager Neil Lennon revealed he is in no rush to see the striker leave the club. (Glasgow Times)

Spoke to a friend of Leigh's last night and he is definitely playing against Partick tonight. He thinks the only way that Leigh would end up at Hibs would be if Boyle was to go to Celtic as Lennon wants him big time.

[Billy Whizz]

Spoke to a friend of Leigh's last night and he is definitely playing against Partick tonight. He thinks the only way that Leigh would end up at Hibs would be if Boyle was to go to Celtic as Lennon wants him big time.

If he’s cup tied, can’t see him coming to Hibs

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't need to name a player to know it can happen. Obviously it can happen. Name a player who hasn't waived part of their pay? You haven't seen any loan contracts, same as me so you've no idea.

I'm surprised anyone goes out on loan when it appears so complicated.

[chrisski33]

Griffiths isnt going to be going out on loan to us.

[Captain Trips]

If LG went on loan and Celtic failed to win league the support as would most supports look at everything and Lennon would get hounding. IMO they are not letting anyone go that has possabilty to contribute.

Playing LG v Partick lkje it or not makes perfect sense for Celtic.

[Since90+2]

I think it's generally accepted that when players go out on loan they don't take a pay cut.

[jacomo]

I don't need to name a player to know it can happen. Obviously it can happen. Name a player who hasn't waived part of their pay? You haven't seen any loan contracts, same as me so you've no idea.


Oh jeez...

This is the way of the world now eh? Evidence and facts are either whatever you want them to be, or totally irrelevant.

[jacomo]

I think it's generally accepted that when players go out on loan they don't take a pay cut.


Yeah but MWHIBBIES says different, so there.

[Since90+2]

Oh jeez...

This is the way of the world now eh? Evidence and facts are either whatever you want them to be, or totally irrelevant.

Yeah very strange arguement to claim Griffiths would have to take a massive paycut to join us and then a few posts later say nobody has any idea how it works as we don't see contracts. Bit of a contradiction there.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yeah very strange arguement to claim Griffiths would have to take a massive paycut to join us and then a few posts later say nobody has any idea how it works as we don't see contracts. Bit of a contradiction there.

Do you think Hibs can afford his full Celtic wage? Do you think they will let him come here for the max 20% Hibs could afford? I don't.

Mostly likely scenario is us paying a bit and him waiving a bit. Neither is actually likely because nothing other than hibs.net users have actually linked him to us.

[KingPat4]

I think Leigh will be back playing at ER, but not for two or three years.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think it's generally accepted that when players go out on loan they don't take a pay cut.

Yes, many things are generally accepted. Half the world still think it's illegal to drive with the interior lights of a car on or that cracking your knuckles causes arthritis.

It's obviously quite rare but players can and have waived part of their wages to go on loan, especially when international tournaments are happening and they need to play.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'm surprised anyone goes out on loan when it appears so complicated.

Yeah, it's almost as if transfers often take weeks of negotiation.

[jacomo]

Do you think Hibs can afford his full Celtic wage? Do you think they will let him come here for the max 20% Hibs could afford? I don't.

Mostly likely scenario is us paying a bit and him waiving a bit. Neither is actually likely because nothing other than hibs.net users have actually linked him to us.


Least likely scenario is you admitting the limits of your knowledge.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yeah, it's almost as if transfers often take weeks of negotiation.


:agree: like Anthony Stokes and Efe Ambrose.

[Shrekko]

I think I recall when Michael Stewart went on loan to Hearts he waived some of his Man Utd pay so that Hearts could basically get him for free.
Edit: Hearts only paid him £1 a week... which clearly wouldn’t compensate Utd so pretty sure he took a cut.

[MWHIBBIES]

Least likely scenario is you admitting the limits of your knowledge.

Haha, yeah, I'm the one with limited knowledge :faf:

[jacomo]

Haha, yeah, I'm the one with limited knowledge :faf:


Yes you are mate. So am I. Anyone with any smarts would admit the same.

The real morons are the ones who claim superior knowledge even when confronted with evidence to the contrary.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes you are mate. So am I. Anyone with any smarts would admit the same.

The real morons are the ones who claim superior knowledge even when confronted with evidence to the contrary.

Yeah, okay pal. Real insightful but not really relevant is it. What evidence has been presented that no player ever has ever waived a portion of wages to go on loan?

Everyone in the world has limited knowledge, again not really relevant to a player joining on loan is it? :faf:

[hibeerealist]

Yes you are mate. So am I. Anyone with any smarts would admit the same.

The real morons are the ones who claim superior knowledge even when confronted with evidence to the contrary.


I am in your camp Jacomo, all clubs have a legal undertaking to pay a player’s salary in full subject to perhaps a fine levied for a misdemeanour (which would have been agreed by his signature in the contract he signed when joining the club).

Players do not take salary cuts going out on loan, the club continue to pay player’s wages and both clubs involved agree what % of the salary the club taking the player on loan will pay.

Reading some of the posts, player’s will take a wage cut just to get game time or get ready for a major international tournament etc are not realistic, the idea of a loan is for loaning club to get one of their assets playing (when not in the picture at mother club) which may maintain his value (or even increase it) and the player plus club getting the loan look to benefit by way of game time and filling a position they hope will improve their lot.

In summary the club lending player is not doing him a favour nor is player or club getting the loan doing other club a favour, it seen as beneficial to all - result, player sees no reduction in salary.

[The 90+2]

I think it's generally accepted that when players go out on loan they don't take a pay cut.

Generally, yes.

I’m sure Jamie Maclaren took a pay cut to come to us on loan second time around.

In fact he definitely did. 👍

[The 90+2]

Yeah, okay pal. Real insightful but not really relevant is it. What evidence has been presented that no player ever has ever waived a portion of wages to go on loan?

Everyone in the world has limited knowledge, again not really relevant to a player joining on loan is it? :faf:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/jamie-maclaren-looks-back-hibs-career-derby-winner-and-opens-neil-lennon-relationship-641756%3famp

👍

[TimeForHeroes16]

Heard from a reliable source Boyle for Griffiths no fee for Boyle straight swap

[MWHIBBIES]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/jamie-maclaren-looks-back-hibs-career-derby-winner-and-opens-neil-lennon-relationship-641756%3famp

👍
There we go. Literally the player himself confirms he took a paycut in a loan deal. Superior knowledge confirmed as well.

[ancient hibee]

Heard from a reliable source Boyle for Griffiths no fee for Boyle straight swap


HO hum

[jacomo]

Yeah, okay pal. Real insightful but not really relevant is it. What evidence has been presented that no player ever has ever waived a portion of wages to go on loan?

Everyone in the world has limited knowledge, again not really relevant to a player joining on loan is it? :faf:


You are very trying at times, that’s for sure.

Next time, if someone asks you for evidence to back up your argument, try providing it rather than acting all superior. It will help raise the quality of debate on this forum no end.

[The 90+2]

There we go. Literally the player himself confirms he took a paycut in a loan deal. Superior knowledge confirmed as well.

Why thank you :greengrin (kidding)

[MWHIBBIES]

You are very trying at times, that’s for sure.

Next time, if someone asks you for evidence to back up your argument, try providing it rather than acting all superior. It will help raise the quality of debate on this forum no end.
:faf:

You're the one who made it personal and now you look a bit silly.

[Captain Trips]

If LG was loaned to us and started scoring and during that period Celtic had a game or 2 that they failed to score Lennon would lose the Celtic support and likely be punted.

I think the risks are to high for him. If they let a striker go and they fail Lennon is finished.

[MikeyS]

Least likely scenario is you admitting the limits of your knowledge.

😂😂

[shetlandhibee]

If LG was loaned to us and started scoring and during that period Celtic had a game or 2 that they failed to score Lennon would lose the Celtic support and likely be punted.

I think the risks are to high for him. If they let a striker go and they fail Lennon is finished. i would love it to happen .. but this post hits the nail on the head :agree: :top marks

[Keith_M]

So nobody has any concrete evidence that LG moving to Hibs has even been considered* then.




* By Hibs or Celtc.

[Waxy]

So nobody has any concrete evidence that LG moving to Hibs has even been considered* then.




* By Hibs or Celtc.
Would have happened by now. Celtic too small time now to try and buy a top striker for the europa league.

[Weegreenman]

Anyone remember the SJM affair? Or the Neil Lennon, Leeann Dempster debacle ?

Like I’ve already said, this was never going to happen

[The 90+2]

If LG was loaned to us and started scoring and during that period Celtic had a game or 2 that they failed to score Lennon would lose the Celtic support and likely be punted.

I think the risks are to high for him. If they let a striker go and they fail Lennon is finished.

That’s the kind of thing dreams are made of 😁

[The 90+2]

Anyone remember the SJM affair? Or the Neil Lennon, Leeann Dempster debacle ?

Like I’ve already said, this was never going to happen

That was more of a Petrie Lawwell issue.

[jgl07]

Yeah, indeed. Allan rightfully wasn't willing to give up money he was due, Leigh would be the same.

I understand perfectly well. His full wages have to be payed or he needs to waive them. Why would Celtic loan him to a division rival for 10% of his wages?
It happens all the time. Do you think that that Hibs paid the full wages for the likes of Brandon Barker?

There are advantages for Celtic to get a player gametime and establish match fitness. He could then play against all other teams but Celtic.

[Stuart93]

Starting for Celtic tonight

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Captain Trips]

That’s the kind of thing dreams are made of 😁

Nah can't have Sevco winning things.

[The 90+2]

Nah can't have Sevco winning things.

Fair point.

[The 90+2]

Starting for Celtic tonight

Have to go with Doidge in the cup final then 👍

[stoneyburn hibs]

Sparky is starting for Celtic tonight, kin boo.

[Sir David Gray]

Nah can't have Sevco winning things.

It's like choosing between al-Qaeda and ISIS to win in a war.

[Jim44]

Sparky is starting for Celtic tonight, kin boo.

Doesn’t look like he’ll be heading our way. In the same breath I’d say, I hope Boyle doesn’t go up the M8.

[Sir David Gray]

Puts Celtic 1-0 up.

[Captain Trips]

There endeth the deal on any capacity not it was ever on.

[Stuart93]

There endeth the deal on any capacity not it was ever on.

It is/was.

[SteveHFC]

There endeth the deal on any capacity not it was ever on.

I still have hope he will return one day :hyper

[jacomo]

That was more of a Petrie Lawwell issue.


:agree:

I doubt Celtc will let a historic grudge get in the way of business.

Also, if they stop to think for a moment, Hibs were absolutely vindicated in rejecting Celtc's initial offer for SJM. They screwed up the deal, not us.

[MWHIBBIES]

It happens all the time. Do you think that that Hibs paid the full wages for the likes of Brandon Barker?

There are advantages for Celtic to get a player gametime and establish match fitness. He could then play against all other teams but Celtic.
Are Man City a divisional rival? That's totally different.

There really aren't many benefits to Celtic loaning him out, especially because he might struggle to get fit and do well for us.

[Jim44]

Celtic, understandably, will only settle for a deal which suits them 100%. I think they will be content to keep LG at Parkhead and I think his preference would be to stay there and prove a point. Our short term future lies with who we get through the door this window and we have to look elsewhere.

[SHODAN]

That'll be that then.

[monktonharp]

Celtic, understandably, will only settle for a deal which suits them 100%. I think they will be content to keep LG at Parkhead and I think his preference would be to stay there and prove a point. Our short term future lies with who we get through the door this window and we have to look elsewhere.through the door, or through the window....c'mon make yer mind up:wink:

[Jim44]

I’m not fussy about Griffiths staying at Parkhead. I’m more concerned about Boyle going in the opposite direction.

[The Harp Awakes]

There endeth the deal on any capacity not it was ever on.

I have been told by a good friend of a Celtic Director that Sparky is on £22k per week. I prepare to be shot down but I can only say what I have heard.

If true, no chance of him coming here.

[Jim44]

I have been told by a good friend of a Celtic Director that Sparky is on £22k per week. I prepare to be shot down but I can only say what I have heard.

If true, no chance of him coming here.

I’ve heard that as well. Even if we could chip in with, say, 3 or four grand, I’m sure Celtic would prefer him to stay put.

[The Harp Awakes]

I’ve heard that as well. Even if we could chip in with, say, 3 or four grand, I’m sure Celtic would prefer him to stay put.

Celtic have asked Hibs for 50% - £11k per week allegedly.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Jim44]

through the door, or through the window....c'mon make yer mind up:wink:

:greengrin

[Jim44]

Celtic have asked Hibs for 50% - £11k per week allegedly.

Stuff that. £200k for a short term loan? :rolleyes:

[The 90+2]

Stuff that. £200k for a short term loan? :rolleyes:

Basically doing them a favour too.

[BILLYHIBS]

No ta !

Sparky is now cup tied

We will keep Boyle

Thank you very much for your interest

[NAE NOOKIE]

Swap a guy who is probably our best player at the moment for a cup tied striker you might allegedly have to pay 11K per week .... nah :faf:

[nellyedinburgh]

I have been told by a good friend of a Celtic Director that Sparky is on £22k per week. I prepare to be shot down but I can only say what I have heard.

If true, no chance of him coming here.

There is absolutely no chance sparky is on 22k per week try half that believe it or not there is only 2 or 3 players on that at Celtic

[basehibby]

Swap a guy who is probably our best player at the moment for a cup tied striker you might allegedly have to pay 11K per week .... nah :faf:


If Griffiths is now cup tied there would seem little point in any loan deal this season. Catching Aberdeen and/or Motherwell would be a long shot with or without him so the prospect of spending loads of wages on Griffiths would be a bad return if he can't help us towards our only remaining trophy possibility this season (which will hopefully still be there this time tomorrow).

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Stonewall]

I we’ll know the truth of this if we get a series of story’s along the lines of “how dare Hibs deny Boyle his chance to fulfil his lifetimes ambition” planted in the press.

[HibbySpurs]

:hyper

Stop, just not funny anymore.

[green day]

There is absolutely no chance sparky is on 22k per week try half that believe it or not there is only 2 or 3 players on that at Celtic

It was recently reported (BBC) that the average first team salary at Celtic was £895000, which is approx £17000 per week.........................

[J-C]

I have been told by a good friend of a Celtic Director that Sparky is on £22k per week. I prepare to be shot down but I can only say what I have heard.

If true, no chance of him coming here.

Be about right, recently signed a new deal and he was on around £11k before.

[Gmack7]

Stop, just not funny anymore.

never was.when he/she moves to high school they may well find something else amusing

[JimBHibees]

There is absolutely no chance sparky is on 22k per week try half that believe it or not there is only 2 or 3 players on that at Celtic

Why not he was banging the goals in for them until recently so would think he would be on something very decent.

[bigwheel]

There is absolutely no chance sparky is on 22k per week try half that believe it or not there is only 2 or 3 players on that at Celtic

I think you are well underestimating the salaries at parkhead. they have an average salary bill
Of around 850k per week, including their younger players ...not saying Griffiths is on that - don’t know , but a decent number of their top players will be

[Jamesconnolly]

Close the thread it's boring he's not coming

[jacomo]

No ta !

Sparky is now cup tied

We will keep Boyle

Thank you very much for your interest


:agree:

Lennon obviously happier with what he’s got (and Sparky on form is a fine player).

Let’s move on.

[Ronniekirk]

Bit of Psychology from Lennon to see how he responded with the threat of being moved out on Loan It’s worked he is now back scoring with a point to prove so don’t think he will be going anywhere


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[Waxy]

No ta !

Sparky is now cup tied

We will keep Boyle

Thank you very much for your interest
Spot on.

[FilipinoHibs]

Bit of Psychology from Lennon to see how he responded with the threat of being moved out on Loan It’s worked he is now back scoring with a point to prove so don’t think he will be going anywhere


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Think the goal was a tap in. So hardly back to form now.

[Allant1981]

Think the goal was a tap in. So hardly back to form now.

A goal is a goal,doesnt matter how it goes in does it

[SquashedFrogg]

never was.when he/she moves to high school they may well find something else amusing

I'm not sure why you find it so upsetting that you feel the need to come out with the sly 'school' comment?

[Gmack7]

I'm not sure why you find it so upsetting that you feel the need to come out with the sly 'school' comment?

I dont find it upsetting just a tad boring. apologies if i offended you/anyone

[SquashedFrogg]

I dont find it upsetting just a tad boring. apologies if i offended you/anyone

Never offended me mate. No apologies required. All good.

[FilipinoHibs]

A goal is a goal,doesnt matter how it goes in does it

Not true a tap in when you are just where the ball happens to rebound to does not mean you have retained your scoring touch and Mojo.

[Allant1981]

Not true a tap in when you are just where the ball happens to rebound to does not mean you have retained your scoring touch and Mojo.

Still have to be in the right place at the right time as he was yesterday

[Brightside]

I have been told by a good friend of a Celtic Director that Sparky is on £22k per week. I prepare to be shot down but I can only say what I have heard.

If true, no chance of him coming here.

A huge amount of that is kept by Celtic. As part of a debt consolidation. It’s another reason why I can’t see him coming to Hibs. Celtic are doing a lot for LG behind the scenes.

[hibeerealist]

Stuff that. £200k for a short term loan? :rolleyes:

I believe we paid Sevco £100K for Middleton Loan so £200K for super Leigh May turn out to be a bargain. Wanted to believe this one might happen but sure it won’t now and Celtic cup tied him yesterday too.

[Ronniekirk]

A goal is a goal,doesnt matter how it goes in does it

Doidge would agree with that lol


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[nellyedinburgh]

It was recently reported (BBC) that the average first team salary at Celtic was £895000, which is approx £17000 per week.........................


Don't believe what the BBC say there is absolutely no chance of that

[nellyedinburgh]

Why not he was banging the goals in for them until recently so would think he would be on something very decent.

Banging in the goals for a team in scotland dosent get you 22k a week