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FilipinoHibs
23-12-2019, 07:44 AM
Think he has been reading Hibs Net:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/hearts-benefactors-donating-nearly-ps9m-fans-contributing-more-ps9m-wages-ps8m-plus-so-why-are-jambos-bottom-christmas-1347665

Stuart93
23-12-2019, 08:03 AM
They beat us on Boxing Day and they’ll get a big lift.

Important not to hand them the points and keep them down there!

Onion
23-12-2019, 08:18 AM
£18 Million EXTRA over 5 years and what have they got to show for it ? A disgrace of a stadium, an allotment for a pitch, and a team full of duds stuck at the foot of the table :thumbsup: And all that money is sunk, gone, deployed.

A Hibs win on Thurs could lead to a strongly worded open letter :greengrin

Thief
23-12-2019, 08:32 AM
Surprised it’s taken the media so long to start asking questions, as apart from Michael Stewart, they’ve been given an easy time of it.
With all that has gone wrong, you’d be forgiven for thinking someone had placed a curse on the club - maybe they should think about putting a harp on the stand!
In all seriousness, this really comes down to incompetence and mismanagement that is off the scale and it’s about time questions were asked.


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matty_f
23-12-2019, 08:44 AM
£18 Million EXTRA over 5 years and what have they got to show for it ? A disgrace of a stadium, an allotment for a pitch, and a team full of duds stuck at the foot of the table :thumbsup: And all that money is sunk, gone, deployed.

A Hibs win on Thurs could lead to a strongly worded open letter :greengrin

It's staggering how badly they've wasted that money.

Can you imagine how far ahead of us they could have been if they'd spent that money properly?

matty_f
23-12-2019, 08:53 AM
The other thing to take from that article is McLean's assertion that a derby win would be "a massive lift" from them, as if it might trigger a revival of sorts.

This season, the massive lifts they've already had - Levein being sacked, players coming back from injury, an actual derby win, and a new manager - have lifted them to the heady heights of the foot of the table.

I expect Hearts to be up for the derby, but we shouldn't be worried about that - do you think they weren't up for the last three games under their new manager? Saturday's game was more important than the derby - the proverbial six pointer against Hamilton, and they choked. Do we think they've got more in their locker to bring out on Thursday?

If we turn up and play like we can, the derby should be a very enjoyable experience for us.

Hibs4185
23-12-2019, 09:03 AM
Surprised it’s taken the media so long to start asking questions, as apart from Michael Stewart, they’ve been given an easy time of it.
With all that has gone wrong, you’d be forgiven for thinking someone had placed a curse on the club - maybe they should think about putting a harp on the stand!
In all seriousness, this really comes down to incompetence and mismanagement that is off the scale and it’s about time questions were asked.


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Maybe the Lithuanian pensioners that got bumped have placed a curse on them, or the trustees of the Lady Haig Poppy Fund, or any of the people and businesses that got bumped.

Bostonhibby
23-12-2019, 09:06 AM
£18 Million EXTRA over 5 years and what have they got to show for it ? A disgrace of a stadium, an allotment for a pitch, and a team full of duds stuck at the foot of the table [emoji106] And all that money is sunk, gone, deployed.

A Hibs win on Thurs could lead to a strongly worded open letter :greengrinTo be fair on them, they've had to tighten their belts quite a bit from the Romanov days when they were just stealing the money and spending even more than that.

They'd no obligation or intention to repay anything in those days, nor a megastand to build so they're probably in the sort of position that the FOH/Budge/Levein dream combination is capable of achieving for all that money.

I'm not sure we're at the letter stage though. If we've learned anything from their drone like response leading to their administration it's that they'll probably get to the point where they'll consider forming a committee to recommend a draft wording of a possible letter.


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FilipinoHibs
23-12-2019, 09:14 AM
Maybe the Lithuanian pensioners that got bumped have placed a curse on them, or the trustees of the Lady Haig Poppy Fund, or any of the people and businesses that got bumped.

Think it is called karma.

HUTCHYHIBBY
23-12-2019, 09:26 AM
There could be a few serious injuries if they start kicking these about on the plaza!

https://i1.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20140826_140945.jpg?resize=560%2C630&ssl=1

Sammy7nil
23-12-2019, 09:27 AM
£18 Million EXTRA over 5 years and what have they got to show for it ? A disgrace of a stadium, an allotment for a pitch, and a team full of duds stuck at the foot of the table :thumbsup: And all that money is sunk, gone, deployed.

A Hibs win on Thurs could lead to a strongly worded open letter :greengrin

How very dare you don't you know the Hearts model is the way forward for all football clubs in Scotland it has been said countless times on TV, Radio and in the press. It is held up as a magnificent model and the fans own the club don't you know. :wink:

I think the easy part of this model is taking your club to the point of bankruptcy, then refusing to pay your debt but getting let off scot free. I assume all UK clubs are currently working on this magnificent model.

0762
23-12-2019, 09:35 AM
Ann Budge really has made a ar$e of this!
We’re told she’s a very shroud businesswoman but the reality what she knows is IT. Without fans bailing her out they’d be bust yet again.

Add to that the pitiful attempt at completing the pink palace with its exceedingly small pitch and it’s press section which even has a “splash zone”.

But at least they did have a very nice concert at the start of the season to bugger up their pitch. All Hail Queen Ann 😂

0762
23-12-2019, 09:45 AM
They fleece their fans all the time that like lemmings they just keep lining up at the cliff edge to chuck their money at their club.

Imagine however how these mystery benefactors feel. That was a wise investment. 😂😂. The money they’ve chucked in they could have bought the club themselves and surely made a better job if it than the Queen of Hearts has.

FilipinoHibs
23-12-2019, 09:49 AM
They fleece their fans all the time that like lemmings they just keep lining up at the cliff edge to chuck their money at their club.

Imagine however how these mystery benefactors feel. That was a wise investment. 😂😂. The money they’ve chucked in they could have bought the club themselves and surely made a better job if it than the Queen of Hearts has.

That is the question; why did they did not buy the club? They did because the anonymous donator is Queen B.

Keith_M
23-12-2019, 09:50 AM
I refuse to read that rag out of principle.

Could somebody copy and paste the article here please.

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Broken Gnome
23-12-2019, 09:56 AM
The other thing to take from that article is McLean's assertion that a derby win would be "a massive lift" from them, as if it might trigger a revival of sorts.

This season, the massive lifts they've already had - Levein being sacked, players coming back from injury, an actual derby win, and a new manager - have lifted them to the heady heights of the foot of the table.

I expect Hearts to be up for the derby, but we shouldn't be worried about that - do you think they weren't up for the last three games under their new manager? Saturday's game was more important than the derby - the proverbial six pointer against Hamilton, and they choked. Do we think they've got more in their locker to bring out on Thursday?

If we turn up and play like we can, the derby should be a very enjoyable experience for us.

I can see it being a bit like the Horgan derby - we got a bit of a doing in the first half hour there, and Hearts starting games well as being one of two trends (other than losing) that's been apparent in his games do far. We equalised early enough not to let the game get away from us and they became shambolic fairly quickly.

It's pretty much up to Hibs - Hearts had a lot of chances against Hamilton and we always look like conceding, which is the main concern. If Hibs have enough about them though then there's no reason we don't see the same Hearts that have won twice in 26. Play well, deal with any early pressure and we'll get the same fun out of them that everyone else has.

Maybe.

Smartie
23-12-2019, 10:02 AM
I wonder when the “anonymous benefactors” will start to think that a few Gorgie penthouses on the Tynecastle footprint might be better value for money than a football team with Sean Clare playing for it?

Bostonhibby
23-12-2019, 10:05 AM
I wonder when the “anonymous benefactors” will start to think that a few Gorgie penthouses on the Tynecastle footprint might be better value for money than a football team with Sean Clare playing for it?Great idea, cost less than the almost nearly but not quite finished megastand to build as well.

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G B Young
23-12-2019, 10:14 AM
A remarkably hard-hitting piece from Barry.

I know from speaking with a mate who used to work at the Evening News that Hearts under Levein (and Jefferies) could be very prickly to deal with and would all but cut off contact with the paper if they didn't like what was being written, so perhaps the shackles have been loosened and Barry's been able to say what he actually thinks for once!

Deansy
23-12-2019, 10:14 AM
Years and years of pretending to be something they'll never be is at last catching up with them - time to let nature take it's course !

JeMeSouviens
23-12-2019, 10:29 AM
I refuse to read that rag out of principle.

Could somebody copy and paste the article here please.

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Hearts: Benefactors donating nearly £9m, fans contributing more than £9m, wages of £8m-plus, so why are Jambos bottom at Christmas?
Defeat at Hamilton dampens any festive spirit at Tynecastle
By Barry Anderson


Christmas is already ruined at Tynecastle. Hearts sit three points adrift at the foot of the Premiership and are statistically the worst team in the top flight. Striker Steven MacLean wished everyone in the media room a happy festive period as he left Hamilton's Fountain of Youth Stadium on Saturday evening, but it felt almost insulting to return the pleasantries. There is simply no such thing as a Merry Christmas in Gorgie this year.

Hearts travelled to South Lanarkshire at the weekend and lost 2-1 to Hamilton Academical in a proverbial relegation six-pointer. The same Hamilton Academical who failed to win any of their previous 11 matches. They certainly needed this victory. Both teams sat joint-bottom on 12 points at kick-off and the result leaves the Edinburgh club detached on their own.

Despite millions of pounds in investment, fans contributing more than £9million in five years alone, mysterious benefactors chucking in a similar amount since 2016/17, and a wage bill exceeding £8m, Hearts are bottom of Scotland's top division. One may ask how this happened, although Saturday was a fair indication. Hearts began very brightly in their third match under new manager Daniel Stendel and should have been 1-0 ahead, possibly even 2-0, at the interval. They petered out all too quickly, not helped by Steven Naismith's enforced half-time withdrawal, and ended up surrendering rather meekly. In short, they lacked enough character - a familiar story for those who have watched them throughout 2019.



They have won only two of their last 26 league matches, losing to relegation rivals Hamilton and St Johnstone in two of their last three. The picture is bleak and the realisation of what he has inherited has dawned on Stendel. He admitted needing new players in January but those in situ must surely show some resolve. They face Hibs on Boxing Day and Aberdeen three days later - both opportunities for a much-needed fightback.

"It doesn't get any easier," admitted the Hearts defender Craig Halkett. "I don't know what else to say. The boys are hurting and it's not a nice place to be. Only we can change it. Everyone knows it's not good enough but things aren't going our way and it's going to be a hard one to try and get out of.

"Over the last three fixtures against St Johnstone, Celtic and Hamilton, you would have been looking to pick up six of those nine points. These teams [Saints and Accies] have been used to being where we are at the moment so that's a massive advantage they have over us. It's something we will need to deal with and dig deep."

Right now, it is doubtful whether the squad put together by Craig Levein, Stendel's predecessor, has the required spirit to survive. "We know how hard the situation is," said Halkett. "We are all close and we are fighting for each other. I know it doesn't look like that on the park but I can assure you we are. We need to learn as quickly as possible. You don't get a bigger game for Hearts than an Edinburgh derby on Boxing Day, so that's a great one to bounce back from. It would be a massive lift. Everyone needs to go away, look at themselves and really figure out what is going wrong here."


Ironically, Hearts started encouragingly at Hamilton. With Naismith at the apex of a diamond-shaped midfield, they controlled possession in the first half and created several good scoring chances. Naismith's cushioned volley ought to have found the net from Steven MacLean's knockdown and Halkett's header struck the crossbar. Once Naismith was withdrawn with a possible back-related injury at the break, Hearts' momentum dissipated. Hamilton recovered and gradually carved out the victory they craved. They went 2-0 ahead through Mickel Miller and Will Collar before Oliver Bozanic's header halved the deficit.

"We were really good for the majority of the first half," said Halkett. We created chances but they aren't going in. We have to start the next game they way we did on Saturday and just hope one of the chances will go in. We haven't been keeping clean sheets and that puts more pressure on the strikers to score. It's all come together to become one big mess but we are all confident we know what we need to do."

Cataplana
23-12-2019, 10:31 AM
It was all worth it.

Too soon?

Waxy
23-12-2019, 10:47 AM
There is nothing wrong with the jambos. They are in their rightfull place bottom of the league.
It happens regular to teams who live within their means but have no direction at board level.

hibsbollah
23-12-2019, 10:54 AM
I have a sinking feeling about all this 'worst team in history' chatter, banderson joins in, kiwidoug burns his Union Jack pants, Gary Mackay stages a dirty protest outside Stratties, etc etc. Meanwhile, there's a 'us against the world' mentality developing in Gorgie, with the derby in three days, the pitch looks shocking, and we have our problems of our own to deal with in terms of squad selections strategy etc.

I've seen it happen too many times.

matty_f
23-12-2019, 10:56 AM
I have a sinking feeling about all this 'worst team in history' chatter, banderson joins in, kiwidoug burns his Union Jack pants, Gary Mackay stages a dirty protest outside Stratties, etc etc. Meanwhile, there's a 'us against the world' mentality developing at Gorgie, with the derby in three days, the pitch looks shocking, and we have our problems of our own to deal with in terms of squad selections strategy etc.

I've seen it happen too many times.

Ach, even if they win on Thursday (and I do think it's unlikely, they're not in a false position in the league, they are actually dugsh**e) it doesn't change anything.

It'll give them some consolation for their relegation battle but ultimately we've seen already that even a derby win at Easter Road failed to be a catalyst for an upturn in their fortunes.

They *might* win the battle, we'll win the war.

WhileTheChief..
23-12-2019, 11:04 AM
I refuse to read that rag out of principle.

Could somebody copy and paste the article here please.

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Aye you’re a real man of principle when you want to read the article from the rag you refuse to read!!!

JeMeSouviens
23-12-2019, 11:07 AM
I have a sinking feeling about all this 'worst team in history' chatter, banderson joins in, kiwidoug burns his Union Jack pants, Gary Mackay stages a dirty protest outside Stratties, etc etc. Meanwhile, there's a 'us against the world' mentality developing at Gorgie, with the derby in three days, the pitch looks shocking, and we have our problems of our own to deal with in terms of squad selections strategy etc.

I've seen it happen too many times.

We all carry the scars. :agree:

That Hearts team in admin that beat us 1-0 in the league cup before Fenlon quit was truly ******g awful but still managed to spawn it somehow.

FilipinoHibs
23-12-2019, 11:09 AM
We all carry the scars. :agree:

That Hearts team in admin that beat us 1-0 in the league cup before Fenlon quit was truly ******g awful but still managed to spawn it somehow.

Despite our incessant pressure that night.

Stuart93
23-12-2019, 11:09 AM
We all carry the scars. :agree:

That Hearts team in admin that beat us 1-0 in the league cup before Fenlon quit was truly ******g awful but still managed to spawn it somehow.

Correct

I said on another thread it’s written in the stars for them to beat us on Boxing Day

FilipinoHibs
23-12-2019, 11:09 AM
Aye you’re a real man of principle when you want to read the article from the rag you refuse to read!!!

I refuse to post it and contaminate Hibs net.🤪

Peevemor
23-12-2019, 11:10 AM
Despite our incessant pressure that night.

We battered them for the first 30 minutes then did almost nothing thereafter.

FilipinoHibs
23-12-2019, 11:11 AM
Correct

I said on another thread it’s written in the stars for them to beat us on Boxing Day

Please keep these doom laden views coming. I hate it when we are over confident.

makaveli1875
23-12-2019, 11:17 AM
The over confidence and wild score predictions before derbies never ceases to amaze me .
1 thing iv learned supporting hibs is no matter how bad they are or how awful they looked in the previous game we struggle to put them away especially at the bus shelter

hibsbollah
23-12-2019, 11:19 AM
We all carry the scars. :agree:

That Hearts team in admin that beat us 1-0 in the league cup before Fenlon quit was truly ******g awful but still managed to spawn it somehow.

Another specialism they seem to have is emerging with a 0-0 despite being battered by us. The 2013 Leigh free kick that was three yards over the line springs to mind. Keep the #doomngloom coming. A pessimist is never disappointed.

brog
23-12-2019, 11:31 AM
These teams [Saints and Accies] have been used to being where we are at the moment so that's a massive advantage they have over us. It's something we will need to deal with and dig deep."

A great quote from Stevie McLean. Up there with Bobby's one about going to the cinema!!

The Modfather
23-12-2019, 11:36 AM
These teams [Saints and Accies] have been used to being where we are at the moment so that's a massive advantage they have over us. It's something we will need to deal with and dig deep."

A great quote from Stevie McLean. Up there with Bobby's one about going to the cinema!!


Is Steven McLean not a Hibee? Keep up the good work agent McLean!

lapsedhibee
23-12-2019, 11:39 AM
A remarkably hard-hitting piece from Barry.

Couldn't bring himself to say they're the worst team in the league though. Just statistically the worst. :faf:

rotherhamrob
23-12-2019, 11:57 AM
If you look at results from previous seasons it's looking like they'll need at least 8 wins from their last 17 to avoid either the drop or a play off.
Here's hoping that after Thursday they'll need a 50% win rate to survive.

Sammy7nil
23-12-2019, 11:59 AM
I refuse to read that rag out of principle.

Could somebody copy and paste the article here please.

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Oh dear wont click but wants to read :confused:

Onion
23-12-2019, 12:06 PM
Surprised it’s taken the media so long to start asking questions, as apart from Michael Stewart, they’ve been given an easy time of it.
With all that has gone wrong, you’d be forgiven for thinking someone had placed a curse on the club - maybe they should think about putting a harp on the stand!
In all seriousness, this really comes down to incompetence and mismanagement that is off the scale and it’s about time questions were asked.


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Can add arrogance and obsession to that list. Humility, integrity and realism are strangers to Gorgie and it will always be so. No training ground, no players worth any money, no trophies, no European adventures, no songbook, and rooted at the bottom of a crap Prem League is surely the list of achievements that benefactors and deluded Yams need to dig deeper :greengrin A Hibs victory on Thursday will be the cherry on the top. £18 MILLION to be the worst team in Edinburgh :thumbsup:

jacomo
23-12-2019, 12:17 PM
I refuse to read that rag out of principle.

Could somebody copy and paste the article here please.

🖖


I would if the website worked and didn’t crash my browser with a ludicrous number of ads every time I try to load that page.

Gotta feel for Banderson, must be confusing times for him.

“But but... Mrs Budge told me everything was just fine!”

JXM73
23-12-2019, 12:44 PM
If they go down are the pockets deep enough to keep them from administration?

Waxy
23-12-2019, 12:44 PM
We’re only 14 games away from the split already. Dont time fly.
Their new dvd will be called “Time for panic”

Carheenlea
23-12-2019, 12:58 PM
Is Steven McLean not a Hibee? Keep up the good work agent McLean!

Went to games as a kid with his Dad, but not a Hibee in the same vein as us. Never really expressed much support for Hibs once his career developed, which has probably been a consequence of too long a spell at Rangers.

Keith_M
23-12-2019, 02:00 PM
Hearts: Benefactors donating nearly £9m, fans contributing more than £9m, wages of £8m-plus, so why are Jambos bottom at Christmas?
Defeat at Hamilton dampens any festive spirit at Tynecastle
By Barry Anderson



:aok:

Keith_M
23-12-2019, 02:04 PM
Aye you’re a real man of principle when you want to read the article from the rag you refuse to read!!!




I wasn't actually being serious, just repeating a line we've read a number of times on here before.


:fishin:


:greengrin

Lago
23-12-2019, 02:08 PM
I have a sinking feeling about all this 'worst team in history' chatter, banderson joins in, kiwidoug burns his Union Jack pants, Gary Mackay stages a dirty protest outside Stratties, etc etc. Meanwhile, there's a 'us against the world' mentality developing in Gorgie, with the derby in three days, the pitch looks shocking, and we have our problems of our own to deal with in terms of squad selections strategy etc.

I've seen it happen too many times.

Agree should concentrate on getting our own house in order first.

jacomo
23-12-2019, 02:38 PM
Agree should concentrate on getting our own house in order first.


We should always prioritise our own performance.

Which means we can never ever comment on any other club. Even cheering a skied effort from an opposition player distracts from the vital business of focusing on our own team.

TimeForHeroes16
23-12-2019, 02:43 PM
4-0 Hibs on the day of boxing

Hibeesmad
23-12-2019, 02:47 PM
Releasing a documentary of a season they get relegated would be truly wonderful.

Cataplana
23-12-2019, 06:03 PM
We should always prioritise our own performance.

Which means we can never ever comment on any other club. Even cheering a skied effort from an opposition player distracts from the vital business of focusing on our own team.

I don't think we are that important in the scheme of things. The players aren't really looking here for guidance.

Sammy7nil
23-12-2019, 06:14 PM
I wasn't actually being serious, just repeating a line we've read a number of times on here before.


:fishin:


:greengrin

Oh you got me :rolleyes: :greengrin :wink:

Smartie
23-12-2019, 06:18 PM
4-0 Hibs on the day of boxing

Anyone who thinks this is going to be anything other than an ugly 1-0 win for Hearts knows nothing about the Edinburgh derby.

Keith_M
23-12-2019, 06:26 PM
Oh you got me :rolleyes: :greengrin :wink:


Sorry




:greengrin

Keith_M
23-12-2019, 06:30 PM
I know we claim that Hearts only really care about beating Hibs, but for us to beat that lot means an awful lot to us as well.

If there's one message I could give to the players just now, it's this...


If you want to show how much you want to be at Hibs, and how much you care for the support, then go out and beat that lot on Thursday...

....WHATEVER IT TAKES, GET IT DONE!!

G B Young
23-12-2019, 06:55 PM
Please keep these doom laden views coming. I hate it when we are over confident.

I'm thinking of starting a pre-emptive 'derby defeat' thread where we can take out our frustration and fury at a potential defeat BEFORE the game. Hoping it might help folk get rid of all that pent-up pit of the stomach tension which builds up before these games and then, our heads suitably cleared, focus only positive thoughts on the game.

Stuart93
23-12-2019, 06:58 PM
I'm thinking of starting a pre-emptive 'derby defeat' thread where we can take out our frustration and fury at a potential defeat BEFORE the game. Hoping it might help folk get rid of all that pent-up pit of the stomach tension which builds up before these games and then, our heads suitably cleared, focus only positive thoughts on the game.

YES

I have longed for this

TimeForHeroes16
23-12-2019, 10:24 PM
Anyone who thinks this is going to be anything other than an ugly 1-0 win for Hearts knows nothing about the Edinburgh derby.

Baaaaaaaa humbug

jacomo
23-12-2019, 10:34 PM
Anyone who thinks this is going to be anything other than an ugly 1-0 win for Hearts knows nothing about the Edinburgh derby.


I prefer to believe in football’s beautiful and unerring ability to surprise.

Mixu62
23-12-2019, 10:54 PM
I know we claim that Hearts only really care about beating Hibs, but for us to beat that lot means an awful lot to us as well.

If there's one message I could give to the players just now, it's this...


If you want to show how much you want to be at Hibs, and how much you care for the support, then go out and beat that lot on Thursday...

....WHATEVER IT TAKES, GET IT DONE!!


This, with the added caveat that we beat them at football, not wrestling. They will want to drag the game down to their level of hoofing and kicking our players and we don't have a Bartley or Milligan this year. Keep the heid and pass the ball. I hope Ross has seen the St J's win there from a couple of weeks ago, how to get in behind that slow and high defensive line.

cocteautwin
23-12-2019, 10:59 PM
Think he has been reading Hibs Net:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/hearts-benefactors-donating-nearly-ps9m-fans-contributing-more-ps9m-wages-ps8m-plus-so-why-are-jambos-bottom-christmas-1347665

Keep up the good work Hibs.net. If the Scottish media won’t do their job properly the least we can do is to keep highlighting the massive amounts of fans cash wasted by the management team at HMFC. I do think Banderson’s numbers are underestimated though. Extra millions to add to the total are FoH’s boast of £10m contributed not £9m, some sucker has put in £2m+ in the form of STC sponsorship and Budge has put in £4m herself. That takes the total to £25m. There’s also the season ticket money shortfall for season 2019/2020 that will need to be covered but I guess the reporting of that can wait until next years accounts are published. Merry Christmas.

Crazyhorse
25-12-2019, 06:43 PM
Anyone who thinks this is going to be anything other than an ugly 1-0 win for Hearts knows nothing about the Edinburgh derby.

Yes this is unfortunately true. Decades of empirical evidence backs this up!
I used to be dumb enough believe otherwise but then I learned that ‘god hates idiots’ (Blondie, 1864).