Sending off ?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

We're in the opinions are like ********s territory.....

[Sammy7nil]

We're in the opinions are like ********s territory.....

Some have failed to use the toilet role :wink:

[Brightside]

FYI it’s not a red card to go through an opponent.

Eh?

[hibbysam]

Eh?

The poster said he seen it as an opportunity to take everything, ball and man therefore it was a red card. I’m sure he did, however taking the ball and man isn’t a red card offence. How it’s done can be, but simply saying taking both is an automatic red card is wrong.

[Since452]

I'm glad he got sent off as he'd be a liability in the derby. Game was done anyway. Hopefully learn from it

[LaMotta]

Did Bartley not “get away” with a very similar one at Tynecastle last season?

Didn’t even look like a foul at the game, on replay it was exactly the same sort of challenge and interpreted differently by the referee.

:agree: One that could have been a red but got a yellow.

Here' s a couple of others that got away with yellows:

https://twitter.com/Barlosthecat/status/1114531542993395714?s=09

https://twitter.com/daniel_a86/status/955122724036337664?s=09

https://twitter.com/stukscott/status/922962041975001088?s=19

I think its fair to say that Portos and Cosgroves are far better challenges than those and these clips also prove that the 2 challenges over the last 2 days are not neccesarily red cards all day long or a clear red these days, as many have been saying.

[Hibbyradge]

It looks to me like Porteous won the ball fairly then had a rush of blood to the head and went after the player with his left foot.

If that's what the ref saw, he had little option but to show a card.

[Sylar]

:agree: One that could have been a red but got a yellow.

Here' s a couple of others that got away with yellows:

https://twitter.com/Barlosthecat/status/1114531542993395714?s=09

https://twitter.com/daniel_a86/status/955122724036337664?s=09

https://twitter.com/stukscott/status/922962041975001088?s=19

I think its fair to say that Portos and Cosgroves are far better challenges than those and these clips also prove that the 2 challenges over the last 2 days are not neccesarily red cards all day long or a clear red these days, as many have been saying.

I think this is where fans get frustrated - the laws not being applied equally and consistently.

It would be interesting to see how a qualified referee (rather than a partisan supporter) would view those three tackles you've linked: for me, McGregor and Cochrane should have walked but Souttar probably deserved his yellow (as his second foot remains grounded and his leg isn't high).

To me, both Porto and Cosgrove are deserved red cards, but it's clear there's significantly divided opinion on both fronts (and ergo little point getting into the nuance and embroiled in an argument about it). Having said that, there's a second angle of the Porto tackle from BT Sport (from the FF) that made it look completely innocuous...

[overdrive]

I don’t think it is even foul. Barely touches him. The Rangers player’s antics when he got back up suggested he ‘played for it’ as well.

Anyone know why some obese guy in a Rangers tie was dragging Potter up the tunnel after his sending off as well?

[Ozyhibby]

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Guidance for refs. It’s a sending off.


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[greenlex]

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All about interpretation and judgement. At no point is it excessive or endangering the opponent. It’s not eve a foul. It’s not a sending off.

[Hibbyradge]

All about interpretation and judgement. It’s not a sending off.

It's all about the referee's interpretation and judgement.

It's a sending off. :wink:

I also think that Porteous tried to follow through to kick the player.

[greenlex]

It's all about the referee's interpretation and judgement.

It's a sending off. :wink:
Fixed it 🤨 The ****** gave a throw in till the Hun players made a collective meal of it.

[Hibbyradge]

Fixed it 🤨

I saw that. I added a comment too.

[greenlex]

I saw that. I added a comment too.

Momentum. Not the Labour Party one.

[overdrive]

All about interpretation and judgement. At no point is it excessive or endangering the opponent. It’s not eve a foul. It’s not a sending off.

Exactly. The McGregor tackle at Tynecastle on Haring was ‘worse’ and a throw in was awarded there.

[CMurdoch]

:agree: One that could have been a red but got a yellow.

Here' s a couple of others that got away with yellows:

https://twitter.com/Barlosthecat/status/1114531542993395714?s=09

https://twitter.com/daniel_a86/status/955122724036337664?s=09

https://twitter.com/stukscott/status/922962041975001088?s=19

I think its fair to say that Portos and Cosgroves are far better challenges than those and these clips also prove that the 2 challenges over the last 2 days are not neccesarily red cards all day long or a clear red these days, as many have been saying.

IMO only the Daz one of the above examples should have been red as it's reckless.

The other 2 are yellows. Not keen on professional fouls like Cochranes where the player just takes an opponent out to stop them when they are clean away. It is outragous cheating and such 'professional' fouls should result in a red card. Would obviously require a change in the laws of the game but would stop such behaviour.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

In a switch of roles we would have been shouting for a sending off I think. In the absence of VAR I don't think that ref had much option.

[we are hibs]

In a switch of roles we would have been shouting for a sending off I think. In the absence of VAR I don't think that ref had much option.

He had the option to give a throw in to rangers which is what actually happened until he shat his pants when rangers players ran towards him.

[G B Young]

Just watched the footage of the tackle for the first time and I can't see why it was even a foul, let alone a red card.

[hibbysam]

IMO only the Daz one of the above examples should have been red as it's reckless.

The other 2 are yellows. Not keen on professional fouls like Cochranes where the player just takes an opponent out to stop them when they are clean away. It is outragous cheating and such 'professional' fouls should result in a red card. Would obviously require a change in the laws of the game but would stop such behaviour.

That wasn’t a professional foul, the ball was about 20 yards away, it was violent conduct.

[CMurdoch]

Just watched the footage of the tackle for the first time and I can't see why it was even a foul, let alone a red card.

Watching from the middle of the East it looked like Porteous lined the guy up and intentionally took him out.
Appeared he was going to easily clear the ball into touch with his right foot well before the Rangers player could reach the ball. Then decided to make an adjustment and take the ball with his left and take the player out with his right foot in the follow through, both of which he accomplished. Perhaps trying to ingratiate himself to the fans in the East by taking the Rangers player out in front of them given that the game was gone?
I should say most of the camera angles don't give the impression of lining the guy up but from the East that's what it looked like.

[CMurdoch]

That wasn’t a professional foul, the ball was about 20 yards away, it was violent conduct.

Yeah, you could argue that.
His intention was to stop Hibs attack in it's tracks. McGinn was gone and he scythed him down. Move stopped, job done. Law should be changed to make it a red as it's a blatant cheat rather than violent conduct. The violent aspect could be an aggravation given that he could have injured Mcginn.

[hibbysam]

Yeah, you could argue that.
His intention was to stop Hibs attack in it's tracks. McGinn was gone and he scythed him down. Move stopped, job done. Law should be changed to make it a red as it's a blatant cheat rather than violent conduct. The violent aspect could be an aggravation given that he could have injured Mcginn.

He could’ve tripped him up, pulled him back, any to stop play. Booting someone like that with absolutely no intention of playing the ball (not even an argument with how far the ball was away) is as violent as it gets on a football pitch for me.

[CMurdoch]

He could’ve tripped him up, pulled him back, any to stop play. Booting someone like that with absolutely no intention of playing the ball (not even an argument with how far the ball was away) is as violent as it gets on a football pitch for me.

It was a trip. not a very subtle one but a trip none the less.
Whatever it was, we both would have sent him off although mine would be for a law that doesn't exist which would have been tricky :wink:

[LaMotta]

All about interpretation and judgement. At no point is it excessive or endangering the opponent. It’s not eve a foul. It’s not a sending off.

:agree::agree::agree:

[LaMotta]

IMO only the Daz one of the above examples should have been red as it's reckless.

The other 2 are yellows. Not keen on professional fouls like Cochranes where the player just takes an opponent out to stop them when they are clean away. It is outragous cheating and such 'professional' fouls should result in a red card. Would obviously require a change in the laws of the game but would stop such behaviour.


Daz is the only one going for the ball out those three which is why I think the others are worse. You are right they are less reckless, but have far more intent which to me should be more of a red.

All worse than Porteous' tackle though.

[LaMotta]

In a switch of roles we would have been shouting for a sending off I think. In the absence of VAR I don't think that ref had much option.

If a hun had been sent off for the same tackle I'd have been delighted but would have said it was the wrong decision.

And you can gurantee that every single thick hun calling Porteous' tackle a horror tackle would be fawning themselves over it, as they have done for years about Kevin Thomson's tackle on Robbie Keane.

[Real Emerald]

A Rangers or Celtic player would not have been sent off for that taclkle regardless of how rules have changed. He would have clearly won the ball, which he did. It’s always the same unfortunately.

[Callum_62]

A Rangers or Celtic player would not have been sent off for that taclkle regardless of how rules have changed. He would have clearly won the ball, which he did. It’s always the same unfortunately.Didn't Jack get sent off for a follow through on Stevie May up at Pittodrie?

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[1875godsgift]

Didn't Jack get sent off for a follow through on Stevie May up at Pittodrie?

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I've been guilty of a few follow-throughs in my time, and quite frankly that should be a red card offence.

[LaMotta]

Didn't Jack get sent off for a follow through on Stevie May up at Pittodrie?

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He did, but he raked his studs down the sheep players shin.

[Humo]

Never a red

https://twitter.com/Jack187571/status/1208875283509579777?s=09

[Callum_62]

Marv Bartley, Mikey Stewart and Stevie Thomson all call it a red

All also say Cosgrove tackle wasn't

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[Centre Hawf]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/missing-edinbugh-derby-will-cause-hibs-ryan-porteous-reflect-red-card-1347923

Missing Edinbugh derby 'will cause Hibs' Ryan Porteous to reflect on red card

I have to admit I don't really like this from Paul. Regardless if you think it's a red card or not the squad should be rallying round each other and sticking up for their teammates not giving them a row in the media. When the tackle went in there were 4 Rangers players round the referee within seconds and barely a Hibs player went over and just left Porto to it. I would like to see the team fight for each other a bit more than they are at the moment.

I also think the club should have appealed the red card just to make him available for the Hearts game imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/missing-edinbugh-derby-will-cause-hibs-ryan-porteous-reflect-red-card-1347923

Missing Edinbugh derby 'will cause Hibs' Ryan Porteous to reflect on red card

I have to admit I don't really like this from Paul. Regardless if you think it's a red card or not the squad should be rallying round each other and sticking up for their teammates not giving them a row in the media. When the tackle went in there were 4 Rangers players round the referee within seconds and barely a Hibs player went over and just left Porto to it. I would like to see the team fight for each other a bit more than they are at the moment.

I also think the club should have appealed the red card just to make him available for the Hearts game imo.

Maybe the players also think hes a daftie who has let them down?

[Centre Hawf]

Maybe the players also think hes a daftie who has let them down?

His sending off didn't cost us the game. The players let themselves down on Friday and should take responsibility instead of maybe trying to shift it all onto a young laddie to get themselves in the clear?

Even if they were annoyed at him then tell him in person and don't air it in public in my opinion. It's not a good look.

[Sir David Gray]

Never a red

https://twitter.com/Jack187571/status/1208875283509579777?s=09

Every time I watch replays of the tackle, I think the red card is more and more ridiculous.

There's no danger that's a sending off.

[FilipinoHibs]

Every time I watch replays of the tackle, I think the red card is more and more ridiculous.

There's no danger that's a sending off.

Agree

[Brightside]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/missing-edinbugh-derby-will-cause-hibs-ryan-porteous-reflect-red-card-1347923

Missing Edinbugh derby 'will cause Hibs' Ryan Porteous to reflect on red card

I have to admit I don't really like this from Paul. Regardless if you think it's a red card or not the squad should be rallying round each other and sticking up for their teammates not giving them a row in the media. When the tackle went in there were 4 Rangers players round the referee within seconds and barely a Hibs player went over and just left Porto to it. I would like to see the team fight for each other a bit more than they are at the moment.

I also think the club should have appealed the red card just to make him available for the Hearts game imo.
The advice is spot on. Players aren’t very good when they are suspended. We need him playing the majority of games.

[Brightside]

Every time I watch replays of the tackle, I think the red card is more and more ridiculous.

There's no danger that's a sending off.

There is no need for him to even slide in. Stay on your feet. Get a clean tackle in. Stay on the park.

[we are hibs]

Hanlon should concentrate on his own poor form this season.

[Peevemor]

Hanlon should concentrate on his own poor form this season.

Yeah. Especially when sent on media duties by the club! :rolleyes:

[we are hibs]

Yeah. Especially when sent on media duties by the club! :rolleyes:

I dont particularly care if he was or not.

[Brightside]

I dont particularly care if he was or not.

Facts remain alien to you. Keep up the good work.

[McSwanky]

There is no need for him to even slide in. Stay on your feet. Get a clean tackle in. Stay on the park.

I have to agree. It was barely even a tackle, the ball was his. There was absolutely no need for him to go in like that. Whether it was a red card or not, it was a daft move on Porteus' part.

[we are hibs]

Facts remain alien to you. Keep up the good work.

Ironic in the extreme.

[MWHIBBIES]

His sending off didn't cost us the game. The players let themselves down on Friday and should take responsibility instead of maybe trying to shift it all onto a young laddie to get themselves in the clear?

Even if they were annoyed at him then tell him in person and don't air it in public in my opinion. It's not a good look.

He is not a young laddie, he is first team player and an important one at that, he should know better. He is definitely the one who let himself down most on Friday, a poor performance (very lucky not to give away a pen just before their second) and getting himself banned for the derby.

[FilipinoHibs]

Just seen the Cosgrove tackle; he comes in at a rate if knots, takes the player then the ball. Yes a red. Ryan's is not.

[Stuart93]

Just seen the Cosgrove tackle; he comes in at a rate if knots, takes the player then the ball. Yes a red. Ryan's is not.

I’d say cosgrove’s is less of a red than Ryan’s

Neither the two being reds

[Centre Hawf]

He is not a young laddie, he is first team player and an important one at that, he should know better. He is definitely the one who let himself down most on Friday, a poor performance (very lucky not to give away a pen just before their second) and getting himself banned for the derby.

He is a 20 year old centre half. He absolutely is a young laddie in centre half terms.

[matty_f]

Just seen the Cosgrove tackle; he comes in at a rate if knots, takes the player then the ball. Yes a red. Ryan's is not.

I don't think Cosgrove's was a red either, he was fast and first to the ball - is he meant to just not go in for it? Maybe the answer to that is "yes" in the modern game, but it's a shame if that's the case.

There's a clip of Scott Brown fouling Slivka last season doing the rounds on Twitter. That was a worse foul than either Cosgrove's or Ryan's and he got a yellow card for it.

I would definitely be appealing Ryan's, I think the debate about it shows that it's not as cut and dried as either side of the debate are making out, and so it's worth making a case for him.

[MWHIBBIES]

He is a 20 year old centre half. He absolutely is a young laddie in centre half terms.

No, he isn't. He is a first team player with over 70 professional games. I don't care what age he is, he should know better. Hanlon wasn't doing that at 20, neither was Lewis.

[Centre Hawf]

No, he isn't. He is a first team player with over 70 professional games. I don't care what age he is, he should know better. Hanlon wasn't doing that at 20, neither was Lewis.

That's not that much for most positions, let alone centre half. He's still learning and we've put far too much pressure on him, which is evident from this discussion.

[The Modfather]

First time I’ve seen the challenge. While I’d love to defend Porteous, it was a red card IMO. There’s a time and a place for taking the ball and as a secondary bonus, the man. That wasn’t it. He was needlessly aggressive, no real reason to go to ground other than to try and take a bit of the man as well. If it had been the other way round I imagine we’d be unanimous in that it was a red card.

[matty_f]

First time I’ve seen the challenge. While I’d love to defend Porteous, it was a red card IMO. There’s a time and a place for taking the ball and as a secondary bonus, the man. That wasn’t it. He was needlessly aggressive, no real reason to go to ground other than to try and take a bit of the man as well. If it had been the other way round I imagine we’d be unanimous in that it was a red card.

Do we think that, from experience, the ref would have given a red card to a Rangers player making that same tackle against us?

For reference, you can consider the bookings we picked up and the foul that Borasic didn't get booked for.

[The Modfather]

No, he isn't. He is a first team player with over 70 professional games. I don't care what age he is, he should know better. Hanlon wasn't doing that at 20, neither was Lewis.

He’s certainly inexperienced at this level, 36 games in the SPL, 11 in the cup, and 24 in league 2.

I don’t think his red was down to inexperience but a hot headed-ness that he needs to eradicate from his game if he is to reach his potential

[The Modfather]

Do we think that, from experience, the ref would have given a red card to a Rangers player making that same tackle against us?

For reference, you can consider the bookings we picked up and the foul that Borasic didn't get booked for.

I’d like to think so, but it’s a sad fact there appears to be two clubs that are refereed different to the rest. Think that’s a different debate though. I still think it’s a red card for the reasons above and that roles reversed the majority would agree it was a red card.

[B.H.F.C]

Do we think that, from experience, the ref would have given a red card to a Rangers player making that same tackle against us?

For reference, you can consider the bookings we picked up and the foul that Borasic didn't get booked for.

They absolutely wouldn’t have been sent off for it. I think that is where Porteous needs to be a bit more aware though. If we can sit there and see that the ref is being far more lenient on them than he is us (which has been the case for as long as I’ve watched Hibs) then players need to realise it as well and not give the ref the chance. It was the fact he slowed down to ensure he’d get Barasic as well. It was always going to provoke the reaction it did.

I don’t like typing that because, I’m my eyes, it’s not a red card. But I also understand what the game is like, who you’re playing against and the fact that the ref dished out yellow cards earlier in the game when he shouldn’t have.

[FilipinoHibs]

I’d like to think so, but it’s a sad fact there appears to be two clubs that are refereed different to the rest. Think that’s a different debate though. I still think it’s a red card for the reasons above and that roles reversed the majority would agree it was a red card.

Compared to other tackles that did not get a red it is less aggressive. Ultimately it is subjective decision by the ref. His reading of intent to hurt. Fans are split which would indicate a yellow at worst.

[MWHIBBIES]

That's not that much for most positions, let alone centre half. He's still learning and we've put far too much pressure on him, which is evident from this discussion.

We've not put far too much pressure on him. He is a first team player, same as the others and he should act like one. If he doesn't stop this **** now he'll have 270 games and still be doing it and still be at Hibs.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I have to agree. It was barely even a tackle, the ball was his. There was absolutely no need for him to go in like that. Whether it was a red card or not, it was a daft move on Porteus' part.
He has it in his game, feels like he's been booked in most games I've seen him this season. Think it is right to say let this be a wee wake-up call but he is one of those players that plays on the edge.

[Centre Hawf]

We've not put far too much pressure on him. He is a first team player, same as the others and he should act like one. If he doesn't stop this **** now he'll have 270 games and still be doing it and still be at Hibs.

I think there is a pressure on him tbh, albeit the tackle itself is more of a style of play issue. But we've hyped him up and even the club probably go too far with it on Social Media about him. He's a well liked Hibs player and one we're all excited about but I do think we as a club ask too much too soon of our younger players sometimes. Look how quickly Oli Shaw went from hero to zero at the first sign of a drop in confidence/form.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think there is a pressure on him tbh, albeit the tackle itself is more of a style of play issue. But we've hyped him up and even the club probably go too far with it on Social Media about him. He's a well liked Hibs player and one we're all excited about but I do think we as a club ask too much too soon of our younger players sometimes. Look how quickly Oli Shaw went from hero to zero at the first sign of a drop in confidence/form.

Oli never went to zero in my eyes, i think he is a really good young player who Hibs have shafted a bit by not playing more. He isn't even getting 20 minutes in games we're winning or coming on when we need a goal.

If there is pressure on Ryan he needs to embrace it and become better. He shouldn't be diving in like a fanny.

[Gmack7]

i assume we're not appealing the red card?

[superfurryhibby]

Porteous needs to smarten up. Inexperience is all very well but, he does need to be more clever in his approach to the game. Getting sent costs the club and him. Fairly basic stuff going on, he needs to address it and I’m sure he will. FWIW, he wasn’t too clever in the build up to the first Hun goal either. He clearly fouled the Hun running into the box in the build up, unnecessarily.

[LaMotta]

First time I’ve seen the challenge. While I’d love to defend Porteous, it was a red card IMO. There’s a time and a place for taking the ball and as a secondary bonus, the man. That wasn’t it. He was needlessly aggressive, no real reason to go to ground other than to try and take a bit of the man as well. If it had been the other way round I imagine we’d be unanimous in that it was a red card.

No that wouldn't be the case!

[Sir David Gray]

i assume we're not appealing the red card?

Not after our manager publicly agreed with the decision.

[Unseen work]

He’s undoubtedly got a lot of potential and is already a good player.

But something has changed with him recently that I can’t quite put my finger in, I don’t know if is confidence that I liked before has went to a cockiness.

A couple of games lately he has made some really poor mistakes, some have been punished and some not but I think he needs to get back fully concentrating and stop trying to either be the hard man or like he’s Efe Ambrose, just play his own game.

I remember at Pittodrie he put in a brilliant tackle which lead to a corner, before it was taken he was animated and giving it the big one, the resulting corner Cosgrove pinned him and scored

[WeeRussell]

Just seen the Cosgrove tackle; he comes in at a rate if knots, takes the player then the ball. Yes a red. Ryan's is not.

Porteous’ was worse than the Cosgrove tackle. He may have came in at a rate of knots to get there.. but Porteous deliberately slowed down so he could go to ground and leave one on the hun, which he did with a late and high follow through.

I’ve seen worse tackles than them both go without reds, but Aberdeen and Cosgrove have a better case than us.

[superfurryhibby]

Porteous’ was worse than the Cosgrove tackle. He may have came in at a rate of knots to get there.. but Porteous deliberately slowed down so he could go to ground and leave one on the hun, which he did with a late and high follow through.

I’ve seen worse tackles than them both go without reds, but Aberdeen and Cosgrove have a better case than us.

Cosgrove came in at a different angle and never really made contact with the Celtic player, Porteous was square on, so agreed, the two aren't comparable really.

[CMurdoch]

Time to look at the positives in this.
Ryan Porteous is a young guy and will learn from this experience. He tested the limits and came unstuck.
At 3-0 the game was gone when he was sent of.
He didn't injure himself.
Daz will take his place against Hearts so we won't suffer as a result of the suspension.

Compare that with the incident where Kamberi was sent of at Tynecastle after being suckered into reacting.
We probably would have won that game but lost it after Kamberi's foolishness. He cost us 3 points and a derby win.

Accordingly we should cut Ryan some slack, young guy, didn't really cost us anything other than having to watch a deadly last 30 minutes after his exit.

[500miles]

Porteous’ was worse than the Cosgrove tackle. He may have came in at a rate of knots to get there.. but Porteous deliberately slowed down so he could go to ground and leave one on the hun, which he did with a late and high follow through.

I’ve seen worse tackles than them both go without reds, but Aberdeen and Cosgrove have a better case than us.

Cosgrove went in, studs showing, both feet off the deck at 100 miles an hour. He's much more likely to cause a horror injury in those circumstances.

Jack Ross not defending Porteous is a joke and a black mark against his name already as well as a bone of contention with one of our most promising players in years.

[Broken Gnome]

Cosgrove went in, studs showing, both feet off the deck at 100 miles an hour. He's much more likely to cause a horror injury in those circumstances.

Jack Ross not defending Porteous is a joke and a black mark against his name already as well as a bone of contention with one of our most promising players in years.

Jokes and black marks and bones of contention comes across as a bit too desperate to get a rap sheet going for a guy who has been in the door little over a month.

[HoboHarry]

Cosgrove went in, studs showing, both feet off the deck at 100 miles an hour. He's much more likely to cause a horror injury in those circumstances.

Jack Ross not defending Porteous is a joke and a black mark against his name already as well as a bone of contention with one of our most promising players in years.
Behave yourself :faf:

[500miles]

Jokes and black marks and bones of contention comes across as a bit too desperate to get a rap sheet going for a guy who has been in the door little over a month.

I am, of course, famously doom and gloom and quick to criticise the club.

Ross needs to realise he's the Hibs manager, it's his job to defend his players. To shrug his shoulders while a 20 year old is being unfairly accused of setting out to injure an opponent is him not doing his job. He should be challenging that narrative and that decision on every level.

[Broken Gnome]

I am, of course, famously doom and gloom and quick to criticise the club.

Ross needs to realise he's the Hibs manager, it's his job to defend his players. To shrug his shoulders while a 20 year old is being unfairly accused of setting out to injure an opponent is him not doing his job. He should be challenging that narrative and that decision on every level.

Think we can trust Ross has spoken to Porteous a bit more personally than a media interview and that no one's in a huff.

You'd hope anyway.

[MWHIBBIES]

I am, of course, famously doom and gloom and quick to criticise the club.

Ross needs to realise he's the Hibs manager, it's his job to defend his players. To shrug his shoulders while a 20 year old is being unfairly accused of setting out to injure an opponent is him not doing his job. He should be challenging that narrative and that decision on every level.

Ryan needs to grow up and behave himself on the park. Missing another vital game is a black mark against him. Ross is quite right to call him out.

[RossScott1991]

No matter how many times I look at it, I still don’t think it’s a red card. Wish hibs would appeal. He was surrounded by loads of huns on the pitch with no intervention from his teammates and immediately condemned by manager after game.

there was nothing dangerous about his tackle.

https://twitter.com/jack187571/status/1208875283509579777?s=21

best angle of it there.

[greenlex]

Both Porteous’ and Cosgroves challenges were not dangerous in the slightest. Neither even touched there opponents whilst wholeheartedly taking the ball cleanly. If either opponent had the same commitment they might have actually won the ball. The games ****ed. Punished for being committed whilst play acting and rolling about get rewarded. Sickening.

[A Hi-Bee]

I am amazed that this thread is still going, all he done was make a hard tackle and the sevco wimp went down like a bag o tatties, by the way I think the ref gave a throw in did he not.
I would go with 11 players with Porto's heart and fight anyday of the week.

[Vini1875]

I am amazed that this thread is still going, all he done was make a hard tackle and the sevco wimp went down like a bag o tatties, by the way I think the ref gave a throw in did he not.
I would go with 11 players with Porto's heart and fight anyday of the week.

Absolutely.

[ancient hibee]

Porteous was needlessly sent off against Kilmarnock when he could simply have obstructed or jersey pulled the guy at the halfway line.Instead he had a hack and gave the ref a decision to make.Against Rangers he lost control of the ball,not for the first time,and decided to go flying in when their was no need.Clearly he doesn't learn.To say we won't suffer because of his suspension is silly.Instead of having him in the middle of the defence the manager will have to choose between one guy who can't get in the team and another who has played 25 minutes since August.Could well cost us the game.

[LaMotta]

Both Porteous’ and Cosgroves challenges were not dangerous in the slightest. Neither even touched there opponents whilst wholeheartedly taking the ball cleanly. If either opponent had the same commitment they might have actually won the ball. The games ****ed. Punished for being committed whilst play acting and rolling about get rewarded. Sickening.

:top marks

[we are hibs]

Porteous was needlessly sent off against Kilmarnock when he could simply have obstructed or jersey pulled the guy at the halfway line.Instead he had a hack and gave the ref a decision to make.Against Rangers he lost control of the ball,not for the first time,and decided to go flying in when their was no need.Clearly he doesn't learn.To say we won't suffer because of his suspension is silly.Instead of having him in the middle of the defence the manager will have to choose between one guy who can't get in the team and another who has played 25 minutes since August.Could well cost us the game.


His one against killie wasnt a red either.

[ancient hibee]

His one against killie wasnt a red either.

Which is the point I’m making.He’s not learning .

[we are hibs]

Which is the point I’m making.He’s not learning .

Dont get the point you're making. So we both agree the one against killie wasnt a red and he was wrongly sent off but you think he needs to learn from being wrongly sent off? Surely its the referee who should be taking a look at themselves?

[B.H.F.C]

Dont get the point you're making. So we both agree the one against killie wasnt a red and he was wrongly sent off but you think he needs to learn from being wrongly sent off? Surely its the referee who should be taking a look at themselves?

From his perspective, he needs to learn to be more subtle about it.

The one at Killie, at the time, looked like he had just booted the boy but didn’t look as bad when I saw it back. I still maintain the camera showed it completely differently from the angle I had at the game.

The one on Friday, he made it far too obvious that he wanted to hurt the boy the way he set himself. I think it’s a good tackle but you need play to the laws and the way the game is refereed these days.

[Brightside]

If you force the ref to make a decision it really doesn’t matter what people on a forum think. If the ref thinks it’s a red in these cases you’ll be off the field. This isn’t a new rule.

[LaMotta]

If you force the ref to make a decision it really doesn’t matter what people on a forum think. If the ref thinks it’s a red in these cases you’ll be off the field. This isn’t a new rule.

Scott Brown on Slivka. Scott Allan on some hun. Cochrane on McGinn. Souttar on Bartley. Darren McGregor on Haring. Stevie May on Boyle.

All in the last 2 years, all yellows, all worse than Porteous', no doubt.

Certainly seems to be a new "rule".

[Since452]

Remember Morelos took a swipe at an Aberdeen player, got sent off then got the red recinded? Actually now that I've typed that it sounds rediculous. Must have dreamed it.

[Callum_62]

Remember Morelos took a swipe at an Aberdeen player, got sent off then got the red recinded? Actually now that I've typed that it sounds rediculous. Must have dreamed it.It wasn't brutal enough apparently [emoji23][emoji23]

Alan McGregors kick out on Ajer was worse, and the compliance officer done nowt [emoji23][emoji61]

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[FilipinoHibs]

Scott Brown on Slivka. Scott Allan on some hun. Cochrane on McGinn. Souttar on Bartley. Darren McGregor on Haring. Stevie May on Boyle.

All in the last 2 years, all yellows, all worse than Porteous', no doubt.

Certainly seems to be a new "rule".

I think just for Ryan.

[BILLYHIBS]

Dazs tackle on Haring was comedy gold

:greengrin


Never even even got a mention on “ Trial by Sportscene”

What happened to Haring anyway?

[Callum_62]

Dazs tackle on Haring was comedy gold

:greengrin


Never even even got a mention on “ Trial by Sportscene”

What happened to Haring anyway?Haring is just coming back from a very long injury

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[BILLYHIBS]

Haring is just coming back from a very long injury

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:thumbsup:

Good player

[Brooster]

I'm just trying to catch up here. Are Hibs appealing Porto's sending off? I see Aberdeen are appealing Cosgroves and fully expect it to be reversed. Both tackles are very similar.

[Callum_62]

I'm just trying to catch up here. Are Hibs appealing Porto's sending off? I see Aberdeen are appealing Cosgroves and fully expect it to be reversed. Both tackles are very similar.We are not appealing

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[Moulin Yarns]

We are not appealing

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But we are more appealing than our opponents on Thursday :wink:

[Sir David Gray]

I'm just trying to catch up here. Are Hibs appealing Porto's sending off? I see Aberdeen are appealing Cosgroves and fully expect it to be reversed. Both tackles are very similar.

No appeal from Hibs, Jack Ross thought it was a sending off.

[Billy Whizz]

Cosgrove’s hearing is today, should hear soon the outcome
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-fa/football-governance/disciplinary/disciplinary-updates/

[500miles]

Ryan needs to grow up and behave himself on the park. Missing another vital game is a black mark against him. Ross is quite right to call him out.

"Behave himself". He's not going about raising his hands, it's not a dangerous or late challenge. He HAS behaved himself perfectly adequately, and his manager has dropped him in it by not backing him.

[Smartie]

"Behave himself". He's not going about raising his hands, it's not a dangerous or late challenge. He HAS behaved himself perfectly adequately, and his manager has dropped him in it by not backing him.

His manager's job rests on getting his strongest team out every week, and derbies can go a long way towards defining a manager's time at the club.

Obviously we as a support are split on whether or not it was a sending off, but Jack Ross is entitled to his own opinion and entitled to react to the situation as he sees fit.

If he manages to ensure that Porto is available for all of our biggest games in future and if the big man eradicates that bit of rashness that I'm sure we're all agreed he's guilty of from time to time then he'll have dealt with the situation well.

[MWHIBBIES]

"Behave himself". He's not going about raising his hands, it's not a dangerous or late challenge. He HAS behaved himself perfectly adequately, and his manager has dropped him in it by not backing him.

He hasn't behaved himself. He got himself sent off with a reckless tackle. Ross is spot on.

[Moulin Yarns]

I've watched both the Porteous and Cosgrove clips a number of times.

People are saying Ryan could have made the tackle while staying on his feet and didn't need to dive in. I am not sure whether either player would have come out of a full body clash that would have resulted without injury.

Cosgrove ran half the width of the pitch to slide in from behind the Celtc player who wasn't aware of the tackle, the Rangers player was aware of the tackle coming.

I think both players have been made to pay for the referees not being close to the play and I think they were unfortunate to be given straight reds. Yellow cards at most for me.

[Billy Whizz]

Cosgrove hearing starting at 5.30pm on Xmas eve!!!!

[greenlex]

Cosgrove hearing starting at 5.30pm on Xmas eve!!!!

So he can stay banned on Boxing Day.

[BILLYHIBS]

Cosgrove loses red card appeal!

[Billy Whizz]

So he can stay banned on Boxing Day.

2 match ban stands for Cosgrove

[Brightside]

I am amazed that this thread is still going, all he done was make a hard tackle and the sevco wimp went down like a bag o tatties, by the way I think the ref gave a throw in did he not.
I would go with 11 players with Porto's heart and fight anyday of the week.

We’d be lucky to have 4 on the field after 2 months. Either due to suspension or self injury. 😂

[CMurdoch]

2 match ban stands for Cosgrove

Quids in for those of us who rightly called the Porteous (and Cosgrove) red including Jack Ross.
The Porteous tackle was worse than the Cosgrove one which Aberdeen have just wasted a few grand appealing.
Was never going to be successful and neither would a Hibs appeal.
Those who said no reds, get with the programme :wink:.

[FilipinoHibs]

Quids in for those of us who rightly called the Porteous (and Cosgrove) red including Jack Ross.
The Porteous tackle was worse than the Cosgrove one which Aberdeen have just wasted a few grand appealing.
Was never going to be successful and neither would a Hibs appeal.
Those who said no reds, get with the programme :wink:.

Cosgrove far worse than Ryan's. He came in at a rate of knots and hit player from behind.

[MWHIBBIES]

Cosgrove far worse than Ryan's. He came in at a rate of knots and hit player from behind.

Hitting a player from behind isn't really worse. Probably less likely to break their leg actually.

[Hibs07p]

Bottom line is this.

If the The Rangers player had made the tackle on Porteous, and the Celtic player had made the tackle on Cosgrove, neither would have had a foul awarded against them, never mind a yellow or a red card. The commentators would have been applauding a hard but fair well timed tackle and accusing both players of making the most of it and trying to get an opponent sent off.

PS. Merry Xmas to all at Hibs.net

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[we are hibs]

Quids in for those of us who rightly called the Porteous (and Cosgrove) red including Jack Ross.
The Porteous tackle was worse than the Cosgrove one which Aberdeen have just wasted a few grand appealing.
Was never going to be successful and neither would a Hibs appeal.
Those who said no reds, get with the programme :wink:.

That appeals process thats notorious for getting it spot on.

[superfurryhibby]

Quids in for those of us who rightly called the Porteous (and Cosgrove) red including Jack Ross.
The Porteous tackle was worse than the Cosgrove one which Aberdeen have just wasted a few grand appealing.
Was never going to be successful and neither would a Hibs appeal.
Those who said no reds, get with the programme :wink:.

Correct.


Cosgrove far worse than Ryan's. He came in at a rate of knots and hit player from behind.

Aye, smashed him big time right enough, lol.


Bottom line is this.

If the The Rangers player had made the tackle on Porteous, and the Celtic player had made the tackle on Cosgrove, neither would have had a foul awarded against them, never mind a yellow or a red card. The commentators would have been applauding a hard but fair well timed tackle and accusing both players of making the most of it and trying to get an opponent sent off.

PS. Merry Xmas to all at Hibs.net

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

Nah, you’re just havering ***** tbh.

[Since452]

The system is flawed. Cosgrove and Porteous get jail sentences for their tackles but Morelos and the hun keeper are allowed to kick opponents. That's deemed as ok.

[Pretty Boy]

I see Ryan has said in an interview that it was 'probably a red card' and that there was 'no need to make that tackle'.

Leaving aside personal opinion about whether it was or wasn't a sending off it's good to see him show a bit maturity and reflect on his actions.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I see Ryan has said in an interview that it was 'probably a red card' and that there was 'no need to make that tackle'.

Leaving aside personal opinion about whether it was or wasn't a sending off it's good to see him show a bit maturity and reflect on his actions.

But if he'd have said "it was never a red, it was hard but I got the ball" he would probably have faced more action

I agree with the poster above, if that was a rangers/celtic player making the tackle it wouldn't have been a red

It's a harsh lesson for Ryan to learn but he'll come out a better player for the experience

[FilipinoHibs]

But if he'd have said "it was never a red, it was hard but I got the ball" he would probably have faced more action

I agree with the poster above, if that was a rangers/celtic player making the tackle it wouldn't have been a red

It's a harsh lesson for Ryan to learn but he'll come out a better player for the experience

As he said he has made harder tackles and been given a free kick against him. But good to see the lesson learned that at 3-0 down and Hearts coming up next week no need to make it

[BILLYHIBS]

Needs to curb and channel his natural aggression not lose it needs to get cuter

The Kilmarnock Cup game also springs to mind

Needs to win the ball first and foremost and stay on the park

Referees will now be looking for him as if they weren’t already

[Brightside]

I see Ryan has said in an interview that it was 'probably a red card' and that there was 'no need to make that tackle'.

Leaving aside personal opinion about whether it was or wasn't a sending off it's good to see him show a bit maturity and reflect on his actions.

Totally agree - he is potentially a top class player. Just need to work on some of the rough edges.

[Brightside]

Needs to curb and channel his natural aggression not lose it needs to get cuter

The Kilmarnock Cup game also springs to mind

Needs to win the ball first and foremost and stay on the park

Referees will now be looking for him as if they weren’t already

Winning the ball doesnt matter. Fans have to realise that too. He has to play within the rules and they are much tighter than they used to be. Despite them not always being enforced! You can be strong in the tackle without being reckless....thats the bit he needs to work on.

[BILLYHIBS]

Winning the ball doesnt matter. Fans have to realise that too. He has to play within the rules and they are much tighter than they used to be. Despite them not always being enforced! You can be strong in the tackle without being reckless....thats the bit he needs to work on.

Yip needs to make it look as if he is not lining up his challenge to take the man as well when he has plenty time to simply play the ball is what I was trying to say in both incidents

[Jones28]

This will be a turning point for Ryan, he’s got a good head on his shoulders, hopefully this is the wee kick he needed to realise that jumping into to challenges is as a last resort.

[J-C]

Needs to learn from Daz, he always knows just when to leave a wee boot in or use his physical strength to let an opponent know they're in a game.

[WeeRussell]

I see Ryan has said in an interview that it was 'probably a red card' and that there was 'no need to make that tackle'.

Leaving aside personal opinion about whether it was or wasn't a sending off it's good to see him show a bit maturity and reflect on his actions.

I agree.

It's a shame he doesn't post on here, as he's got it spot on in my opinion :wink: