Marvin's brother team talk and Black managers in the game

[JimBHibees]

Saw this on BBC website firstly very interesting short discussion re how few black managers in the game with Mark Bartley who coaches non-league Marlow.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07vjq49

Secondly coverage of a half time team talk he did. Speaks very well in both clips. Some swearing in team talk but very clear instructions. :greengrin

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ollie_Bayliss/status/1203449154686586881

[basehibby]

It is curious - there have been plenty of black players in the British game the last 30 years or so and you would expect to see that reflected in managerial appointments.

Is it a form of subconscious - or not so subconscious racism at work? Or could there perhaps be a cultural/psychological factor at work? Or a bit of both?

[JimBHibees]

It is curious - there have been plenty of black players in the British game the last 30 years or so and you would expect to see that reflected in managerial appointments.

Is it a form of subconscious - or not so subconscious racism at work? Or could there perhaps be a cultural/psychological factor at work? Or a bit of both?

Interesting topic to be honest given the many high profile black players I think you would expect to have seen more. Sol Campbell had to start in lower leagues while Gerrard and Lampard start at much higher level.

It would be interesting to know how many black players put themselves through the coaching badges or whether they have a perception it may not be worth it as they won't get an opportunity. Danny Rose was quite outspoken that he didn't see the point of doing it however the bottom line is results will get you an opportunity though again need to get a chance to start with.

[neil7908]

It is curious - there have been plenty of black players in the British game the last 30 years or so and you would expect to see that reflected in managerial appointments.

Is it a form of subconscious - or not so subconscious racism at work? Or could there perhaps be a cultural/psychological factor at work? Or a bit of both?

It's the same in the NFL. Loads of African American players over decades but hardly any quarter backs or managers.

[Haymaker]

It's the same in the NFL. Loads of African American players over decades but hardly any quarter backs or managers.

It was until recently. The "Rooney Rule" was put in place for coaches and management which has brought more Bame candidates to the fore.

In QB roles the leagues two be QBs this season are African American (Lemar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes) followed by Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kylar Murray, Dwayne Haskins...

Still a long way to go but the change is happening.

[Captain Trips]

It is curious - there have been plenty of black players in the British game the last 30 years or so and you would expect to see that reflected in managerial appointments.

Is it a form of subconscious - or not so subconscious racism at work? Or could there perhaps be a cultural/psychological factor at work? Or a bit of both?

How about for every 1 Black manager that applys for a job 5 or 6 white managers also apply?

These are the statistics that are required before any talk of anything other than best person hired is thought about.