Could Hearts be relegated this season?

[bingo70]

The 5 point gap is significant as well, at the moment it's actually out of Hearts' hands - they need to better Hamilton's results as well as winning their next head to head (assuming that's the match that they do have control over).

They're 5 behind Hamilton, and 6 behind St Mirren with the same games played. They're 7 behind St Johnstone who have 2 games in hand over them.


Hamilton have won 2 from their last 5, St Mirren have won 2 and drawn 2 from their last 5, and Hearts have picked up just the 1 draw from their last 5 games.

Hearts may well be able to spend their way out of trouble, but it's a very risky strategy. St Mirren and Hamilton clearly don't have the financial clout that Hearts do, but that's been the case for the last two transfer windows, and actually there's likely a benefit in not being able to make wholesale changes in January for clubs like St Mirren and Hamilton. They have settled squads who are all in it together.

As I said, Hearts may well dodge the bullet, but it's be no means a foregone conclusion that they'll be safe.

Yes, but Hearts draw with Aberdeen was arguably the greatest draw in world football ever.

[bingo70]

So many people stating it as fact that Hearts definitely won’t go down. How do they know?

I personally think they’re in real bother but of course it’s not too late for them to get out of it. I think it could go either way for them and a lot will depend on their January recruitment as well as how well Hamilton and St Mirren do.

If there was a gun to my head and I had to make a prediction I think they might finish 2nd bottom. The run of fixtures they have coming up will stop them making up too much ground on those above them but the post split fixtures will allow them to Make back some of the deficit.

[Waxy]

What if they spend big (which they cant afford anyway) and STILL go down?
Admin again?

[Sir David Gray]

We're away to Hamilton for the last game before the split.

If we've already sealed a top 6 spot, but are out of the European places, it might be difficult for our players to find the motivation to win that one... :wink:

I'd play the under 17s.

[matty_f]

What if they spend big (which they cant afford anyway) and STILL go down?
Admin again?

Can't see them going into administration again, they're well backed financially, and Budge confirmed that most of the players have relegation clauses.

Interesting point, that - if there's a relegation clause it might be a convenient way for the players to get a move that they might not otherwise get. Would be curious if it's in some players' interests for them to go down...

[Cataplana]

So many people stating it as fact that Hearts definitely won’t go down. How do they know?

I personally think they’re in real bother but of course it’s not too late for them to get out of it. I think it could go either way for them and a lot will depend on their January recruitment as well as how well Hamilton and St Mirren do.

If there was a gun to my head and I had to make a prediction I think they might finish 2nd bottom. The run of fixtures they have coming up will stop them making up too much ground on those above them but the post split fixtures will allow them to Make back some of the deficit.

By the time they get to post split, they are a rabbit in the headlights. Their morale will be shot to bits.

[Ozyhibby]

What if they spend big (which they cant afford anyway) and STILL go down?
Admin again?

Always a possibility.
They are being run like Petrie ran Hibs. Bringing in a new manager and giving him the freedom to change the style of play mid season even when it doesn’t suit the players they already have is madness given the position they are in. They are now going to have to rebuild the team with younger fitter players in January and hope they can bond quickly.
While a manager should have a level of autonomy it should not be complete because the club have to honour long term contracts. Hearts have some fairly old players on long term deals.



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[Ozyhibby]

Can't see them going into administration again, they're well backed financially, and Budge confirmed that most of the players have relegation clauses.

Interesting point, that - if there's a relegation clause it might be a convenient way for the players to get a move that they might not otherwise get. Would be curious if it's in some players' interests for them to go down...

I don’t think so, I think most of their players are on the best deal they will ever get. In fact most would probably be allowed to leave for free this month if they could line up replacements. Very few have any transfer value at all.


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[Bostonhibby]

We're away to Hamilton for the last game before the split.

If we've already sealed a top 6 spot, but are out of the European places, it might be difficult for our players to find the motivation to win that one... :wink:Good point, but to avoid any suggestions of impropriety on our part we could send the same team out with the same attitude and tactics as at Livingston. That should do it.

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[matty_f]

Good point, but to avoid any suggestions of impropriety on our part we could send the same team out with the same attitude and tactics as at Livingston. That should do it.

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I'm on board with this approach. :greengrin

[allezsauzee]

They are in deep toalies. The have a manager who wants to play a pressing game and don't have the personnel to do that. Their big wage earners are either injured past it or in the huff. The partners at Baillie Gifford are really going to have to fork out to dig them out of this.

[Sir David Gray]

Good point, but to avoid any suggestions of impropriety on our part we could send the same team out with the same attitude and tactics as at Livingston. That should do it.

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I may even cheer the Hamilton goals.

[Bostonhibby]

I may even cheer the Hamilton goals.Half and half scarf is as far as I'm prepared to go.

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[Jones28]

Half and half scarf is as far as I'm prepared to go.

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That’s worse IMO

[Col2]

As a reminder the bookies have them 10-11 (so odds on) to finish in bottom two.

They were something like 10-1 when Levein went on back shift.

Given the 5 point margin they will need to win MUST win games v Hamilton and St Mirren. A loss in those games would be catastrophic. There is no certainty that whoever they bring in will be of the right quality, fitness and fight required in a Scottish relegation battle against 2-3 teams who do this every year.

If I had to say relegation or not. I am convinced they will be bottom two as a minimum.

[matty_f]

Pinched from over the road...

This would suggest in average, to avoid automatic relegation a club needs around 35 point. Hearts have 13.

So with 17 games remaining they really need to win minimum 7 and a couple of draws. They still have Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen (A), Hibs (at ER) where they might sneak a point of two at best but in reality it’s 7 wins from 13.

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2019_12/Capture.JPG.5f4beb8b357d7fced295dc4c8cb54c26.JPG

To put some context to this...

Motherwell in 3rd place, have 12 wins from 21 games - 57% win ratio.

Aberdeen have 10 wins from 21 games - 47% win ratio

Hibs and Livi have 6 wins from 21 - 29% win ratio and that makes up the top 6 (outside of the top 2).

For Hearts to get their 7 wins from 13 games, they need a win ratio of 54% - so to pretty much match the form of the current 3rd place team.

From 21 games, Hearts have won 2 - they're currently on a win ratio of 10%.

Daniel Stendel's not won a game in his last 16 (I think).

It's a massive leap to get from where Hearts are now to where they need to get to, especially if their best ever performance in the history of football only earned them a point against Aberdeen.


It took Motherwell 13 games to get to 7 wins this season.
Aberdeen took 14 games to get to 7 wins.

[Jones28]

For all those saying they’ll get out of it/finish easily away from the relegation zone, what convinced them so much?

They have a huge squad that they need to trim to bring guys in, it’s always hard to bring players in when you’re on the downward spiral, the new manager bounce that we had is a new manager collapse for them, hence the contrasting fortunes and they can’t score for love nor money.

[Northernhibee]

They'll be fine as long as they recruit well.

Just as well for them that the people in charge of recruitment now Stendel is in place aren't the people who signed the likes of Wighton, MacLean, Ikpeazu, N'Goo, Martin, Damour etc, isn't it?

[JimBHibees]

Can't see them going into administration again, they're well backed financially, and Budge confirmed that most of the players have relegation clauses.

Interesting point, that - if there's a relegation clause it might be a convenient way for the players to get a move that they might not otherwise get. Would be curious if it's in some players' interests for them to go down...

Interesting point about the motivation of players re relegation, looked like that might have been the case with some Hibs players when we went down.

[B.H.F.C]

They'll be fine as long as they recruit well.


A point, that seems to be getting missed, is that Hamilton and St Mirren might recruit well too.

The assumption is that because Hearts are a bigger club with a better budget they’ll get better players but that hasn’t served them well to date.

Hearts need to come out on top in the head to head games against both those sides or they’re down IMO.

[Springbank]

Tongue in cheek here but should we let hearts win the final derby of the season at ER in March as a thanks to them for gifting us a money spinning replay and a bye to winning the cup in 2016 AND then let us rip their knitting in the 2017 defence of the trophy?

Ann Budge has been very good to us...

[Ozyhibby]

To put some context to this...

Motherwell in 3rd place, have 12 wins from 21 games - 57% win ratio.

Aberdeen have 10 wins from 21 games - 47% win ratio

Hibs and Livi have 6 wins from 21 - 29% win ratio and that makes up the top 6 (outside of the top 2).

For Hearts to get their 7 wins from 13 games, they need a win ratio of 54% - so to pretty much match the form of the current 3rd place team.

From 21 games, Hearts have won 2 - they're currently on a win ratio of 10%.

Daniel Stendel's not won a game in his last 16 (I think).

It's a massive leap to get from where Hearts are now to where they need to get to, especially if their best ever performance in the history of football only earned them a point against Aberdeen.


It took Motherwell 13 games to get to 7 wins this season.
Aberdeen took 14 games to get to 7 wins.

They have 17 games. I know folk are discounting their games against us, dons and old firm but it’s still possible they pick up points in those games.


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[MacGruber]

To put some context to this...

Motherwell in 3rd place, have 12 wins from 21 games - 57% win ratio.

Aberdeen have 10 wins from 21 games - 47% win ratio

Hibs and Livi have 6 wins from 21 - 29% win ratio and that makes up the top 6 (outside of the top 2).

For Hearts to get their 7 wins from 13 games, they need a win ratio of 54% - so to pretty much match the form of the current 3rd place team.

From 21 games, Hearts have won 2 - they're currently on a win ratio of 10%.

Daniel Stendel's not won a game in his last 16 (I think).

It's a massive leap to get from where Hearts are now to where they need to get to, especially if their best ever performance in the history of football only earned them a point against Aberdeen.


It took Motherwell 13 games to get to 7 wins this season.
Aberdeen took 14 games to get to 7 wins.


I like the stats. I just wonder if this season it won't take 35 points to escape - might be closer to 30. Seems a season where there are a few really struggling. Whilst the stats make it sound a big ask, they are 5 points and 6 points off of safety which doesn't sound that insurmountable.
I think the best thing for them/worst for us is Stendel seems to have worked out the dross they have been playing and is bringing in some decent youngsters.

They could get boys back from injury, they could make good signings, they could play better under Stendel. Lots of coulds.

The one definite is whether they get out of trouble or not, as of right now they are right in a terrible place. There is no guarantees for them

[matty_f]

They have 17 games. I know folk are discounting their games against us, dons and old firm but it’s still possible they pick up points in those games.


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Possible- yes, probable- no.

[Sir David Gray]

38 points has been the average points total needed to get to the complete safety of 10th place since the Scottish Premiership started in 2013-14.

To reach that total Hearts need 25 points from the last 51 points available so allowing for a few draws, they probably do need about 6 or 7 wins from their last 17 games to guarantee being safe.

35 points has been the average points total required to get to 11th place, if Hearts fancy their chances against a Championship side in a two-legged play off.

For that total they'll need 22 points from their last 51 points available so probably in the region of 5 or 6 wins from their last 17 games.

I would say they'll probably need 6 wins as a minimum.

[Hibernianinc]

In their next 5 games, they have 3 away (RC, SJ and Sellik) and 2 at home (The rangers & Killie).

Assuming zip from the OF they HAVE to win 2 of those to have any hope of closing the gap.

St M play Hamilton when herts are away at SJ, so there’s points for one if not both teams that day.

For herts to gain momentum and make inroads on the gap they need wins quickly. Otherwise trips to ER and Pittodrie become ‘must-wins’.

I don’t fancy their chances. Especially as they now think everything is fixed following the miracle v the sheep.

Get beat by RC and I reckon they’re toast.

[H18 SFR]

Does anyone really want them to go down? I like the Derby matches too much.

[Vault Boy]

The new manager bounce has them with 1 point from 15.

I'd be *****ing myself if I was a Jambo.

[Hibernianinc]

The new manager bounce has them with 1 point from 15.

I'd be *****ing myself if I was a Jambo.

Agree.

Dec has been a killer. 2 points from 8 games.

Hamilton got 6 from 6. St M 8 from 6.

[Alfred E Newman]

Reading their spin in the papers this morning they seem to feel they have turned the corner by dropping another 2 points at home and falling further adrift at the bottom.
Their unbelievable arrogance will be their downfall.

[Cataplana]

Scottish Gas report a surge in demand as West Edinburgh ovens are fired up to bake all sorts of fancy cakes.

[Stuart93]

Does anyone really want them to go down? I like the Derby matches too much.

Yes. Only for a season. It would be brilliant.

[Waxy]

On current form (1pt from 15) they wouldnt catch Hamilton if Hamilton lost all their remaining games.

[flash]

Does anyone really want them to go down? I like the Derby matches too much.

Oh yes.

[wallpaperman]

Does anyone really want them to go down? I like the Derby matches too much.

I have no major objection whatsoever to them going down.

It’s the same old Hearts, spending way beyond their income, propped up by generous regular fans, and the mystery benefactors. If they lived broadly within their means I might feel differently, but while they continue to pretend to be big time Charlie’s, I have no sympathy.

On the subject of the mystery benefactors, could a financial expert explain how that is even allowed in this day and age? Money laundering rules are extremely tight, I thought transparency with regards to all income would be essential? The club’s auditors must know at the very least?

I’m not suggesting for one minute that this is going on, but seems somewhat shady in this day and age.

[joe t]

At the same time last year, the 2nd and 3rd bottom teams were also Hamilton and st mirren. They had 12 and 14 Pts respectively, finishing on 32 and 33. This year they have 18 and 19 pts. There is a decent argument to suggest hearts may need as many as 38 pts. That’s 25 points in 17 games. That’s some turnaround in win percentage required......

[Pagan Hibernia]

Does anyone really want them to go down? I like the Derby matches too much.

dont worry, it’s a certainty we’ll get them in the Cup if they do

[hibbyfraelibby]

A lot of faith in their survival is being placed by the fans on a number of fancifully rumoured players from Stoke, bringing their loanees back, getting their crocks back and selling Hickey to Man City, with an immediate loan back...and all the high earners and dross being shipped out. All will be hunkey dory as a result and they'll climb the league and finish 4th.

Apart from their inherent delusion there are serious flaws to their logic, a misunderstanding of their financial situation and a failure to appreciate the quality of affordable players in the winter window.

1. The players they are talking of bringing in from Stoke are bench warmers at the moment, not match sharp and would cost an arm and leg they'd have to financally underwrite, directly or through their "benifactors/money laundrers"

2. Their loanees have not been setting the heather on fire in the lower leagues, their game time has been limited or surprise, surprise the have been injured. Not upgrades on current squad more like trading in an old banger for another pre-loved alternative whose MoTs may not pass.

3. Their crocks are fragile, Naismith and Haring in particular and on mega bucks that are funding their upcoming retirement pensions.

4. Hickey is a decent 17 yo prospect but nowhere near the quality Man City would take a risk with for the £1.5m their special relationship the Yam hordes dream about they already have 90 players out on some kind of loan and a mid season acquisition of another one is not credible so the expected bonanza to fund the import of decent signing isnt going to happen.

5. Their high earners and under performers will go nowhere because they are so bad even SPFL 1 teams wont touch them, and down south wont look at unpayable dross on their wages.

6. Putting together a new team in January is like starting the season over without a pre-season and it will take weeks for them to gell.

They might get 11th spot from 5 points back but they assume no-one else will pick up points. They will need a 60% win rate to realistically pull clear.

They are in it up to their noses and can most certainly go down

[wallpaperman]

As a reminder the bookies have them 10-11 (so odds on) to finish in bottom two.

They were something like 10-1 when Levein went on back shift.

Given the 5 point margin they will need to win MUST win games v Hamilton and St Mirren. A loss in those games would be catastrophic. There is no certainty that whoever they bring in will be of the right quality, fitness and fight required in a Scottish relegation battle against 2-3 teams who do this every year.

If I had to say relegation or not. I am convinced they will be bottom two as a minimum.

Those odds are a sobering thought. Bookies are not prone to sentimentality, they will have crunched the numbers that many of you have posted on this thread and come to the same conclusion that even to finish second bottom their chances are essentially 50/50.

[G B Young]

Does anyone really want them to go down? I like the Derby matches too much.

Three consecutive relegations followed by liquidation would be my preference - with us hammering them in a few cup ties along the way.

[Cataplana]

A lot of faith in their survival is being placed by the fans on a number of fancifully rumoured players from Stoke, bringing their loanees back, getting their crocks back and selling Hickey to Man City, with an immediate loan back...and all the high earners and dross being shipped out. All will be hunkey dory as a result and they'll climb the league and finish 4th.

Apart from their inherent delusion there are serious flaws to their logic, a misunderstanding of their financial situation and a failure to appreciate the quality of affordable players in the winter window.



Yes, it's all so easy when you break it down. By my calculation three weeks might not be long enough though.

[Gypsy King]

Unpopular opinion - I hope they don't go down. I enjoy Derbies to much

[Waxy]

Unpopular opinion - I hope they don't go down. I enjoy Derbies to much

It bothers me that someone chucks them chunks of free money. No one else gets this help.

[SHODAN]

Unpopular opinion - I hope they don't go down. I enjoy Derbies to much

They'll come back up and I can deal with missing derbies if they're financially weakened on return.

[KeithTheHibby]

Reading their spin in the papers this morning they seem to feel they have turned the corner by dropping another 2 points at home and falling further adrift at the bottom.
Their unbelievable arrogance will be their downfall.

This. While a point at home against Aberdeen with 10 men is decent they fail to realise that Hamilton picked up an excellent result against Motherwell. Chuck in St Mirren's win and it was overall a bad weekend for the jams.

Teams like Accies and St Mirren start the season knowing they will be involved in a relegation battle. Even when that plum McPhee was taking charge he was still talking about European football! Deluded as. That crap filters through to the players and fans and can lead to them thinking they are better than they are, which in fact, they are not.
They are in the **** big time.

[1van Sprou7e]

It bothers me that someone chucks them chunks of free money. No one else gets this help.

That is true.

I'm not sure I really want them relegated but if it meant they stopped getting millions in free money then I'm all for jt

[B.H.F.C]

They'll come back up and I can deal with missing derbies if they're financially weakened on return.

They’d certainly be weakened financially. It would be horrendous for them. Not like last time when they got a nice clean slate and a year to plan for coming straight back up.

[Waxy]

Even if they win all the games they could win and get back above 11th by the split, they’ll still be one bad defeat from going down.

[JeMeSouviens]

Their current squad would be favourites to go down I think. It's all about how they get on in this window. With any luck, it'll be another shedload of dross. :wink:

[calumhibee1]

Some of these stats are the stuff of wet dreams.

Would anyone be able to put together a statistical counter arguement for them staying up to balance out the stats pointing to them going down?

[matty_f]

Some of these stats are the stuff of wet dreams.

Would anyone be able to put together a statistical counter arguement for them staying up to balance out the stats pointing to them going down?

Was there not a stat about the team who was bottom at Christmas being relegated in something like each of the last eight seasons?

Sorry, that's not balancing anything up but it's a right good stat.

[Pretty Boy]

I can say with absolute certainty that I wouldn't have a single regretful thought if they went down.

There will be plenty derbies in the future. Watching those arrogant, deluded, pompous roasters go down without a single mitigating circumstance would be sheer joy. **** them.

[matty_f]

I can say with absolute certainty that I wouldn't have a single regretful thought if they went down.

There will be plenty derbies in the future. Watching those arrogant, deluded, pompous roasters go down without a single mitigating circumstance would be sheer joy. **** them.
Pretty much where I'm at with it. 100% would miss the derby but out would be hilarious.

[Bostonhibby]

I can say with absolute certainty that I wouldn't have a single regretful thought if they went down.

There will be plenty derbies in the future. Watching those arrogant, deluded, pompous roasters go down without a single mitigating circumstance would be sheer joy. **** them.Yep, agree entirely. Would be even better if they came back up with no secret donations (how dodgy does this sound in any other business?).

Ironically they might actually make a better go of it than the pre and post admin attempts with just normal transparent income.

Or maybe not.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191231/7d3ec368a4fcd36b5823ee4a32c370b8.jpg
Now I’m getting a bit worried about us.[emoji6]


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[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191231/7d3ec368a4fcd36b5823ee4a32c370b8.jpg
Now I’m getting a bit worried about us.[emoji6]


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The bellends favourite bellend. I seem to recall Livingston totally outplaying someone 5-0 not so long ago.

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[04Sauzee]

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Now I’m getting a bit worried about us.[emoji6]


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That boy is nuttier than a squirrels jobbie

[Pretty Boy]

Kiwidoug

The bellends favourite bellend.

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An apt description for a total sadcase of a man. Spent years trolling the EEN comments before finding his way to Kickback. New Zealand must be a disappointment for him because he spends all his time obsessing about Hibs.

[AltheHibby]

That would be the same Kiwidoug who predicted an easy win for their ladies team in the cup this year.

Hibs 7-1 Hearts.

That's me wetting myself now.



With laughter
:flag:

[Cataplana]

Yep, agree entirely. Would be even better if they came back up with no secret donations (how dodgy does this sound in any other business?).

Ironically they might actually make a better go of it than the pre and post admin attempts with just normal transparent income.

Or maybe not.

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We keep coming back to the root of the problem. Why would they manage to do that this time, when they haven't done it for at least 60 years?

[Bostonhibby]

We keep coming back to the root of the problem. Why would they manage to do that this time, when they haven't done it for at least 60 years?Damn, you've sussed me out

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[Bostonhibby]

An apt description for a total sadcase of a man. Spent years trolling the EEN comments before finding his way to Kickback. New Zealand must be a disappointment for him because he spends all his time obsessing about Hibs.That EEN site is where I remember him from. Some real weirdos used to inhabit it. I recall more stable Hearts fans expressing concerns about them on kickback...

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[matty_f]

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Now I’m getting a bit worried about us.[emoji6]


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His last sentence :faf: :faf: :faf:

[1van Sprou7e]

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Now I’m getting a bit worried about us.[emoji6]


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Can someone with an account on there please ask him to demonstrate his last point?? Lol

[Cataplana]

Damn, you've sussed me out

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You need someone to provide reality orientation when you enter into Yamworld.

It is so easy to become disorientated and make the wrong decisions.

[Bostonhibby]

You need someone to provide reality orientation when you enter into Yamworld.

It is so easy to become disorientated and make the wrong decisions.I didn't get to where I am today by becoming disorientated.[emoji6]

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[Jones28]

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Now I’m getting a bit worried about us.[emoji6]


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Straws, so many straws 😂😂

[Deansy]

I just hope that our boys are determined to give us a new 'Most memorable game' before 'Charity Thieves FC' say 'Ta-ta' !

NOW IS THE SEASON TO DO IT !

[matty_f]

Can someone with an account on there please ask him to demonstrate his last point?? Lol

I'd love to see how he can demonstrate it. It would be fascinating.

[greenlex]

I'd love to see how he can demonstrate it. It would be fascinating.
He not clutching at straws. He’s clutching a few dozen bales.

[theonlywayisup]

On current form (1pt from 15) they wouldnt catch Hamilton if Hamilton lost all their remaining games.

If Hamilton lost every game, Hertz would have beaten them twice gaining six points on them thus overtaking them.

[Cataplana]

I didn't get to where I am today by becoming disorientated.[emoji6]

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Super.

[Bostonhibby]

Super.Kiwidug says Hearts have a "demonstrably" better run in?

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[dchibs]

I just hope that our boys are determined to give us a new 'Most memorable game' before 'Charity Thieves FC' say 'Ta-ta' !

NOW IS THE SEASON TO DO IT !

yes a great chance for Leeann Ron and Jack to really rub it in how to run a club.

[Cataplana]

Kiwidug says Hearts have a "demonstrably" better run in?

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It's Disasterville USA.

[Kojock]

His last sentence :faf: :faf: :faf:

They are so busy celebrating a draw that they ignore the fact they went from 3 points to 5 adrift. 😂

[Kojock]

All the evidence you need that there is a strong possibility they will go down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50958324

[BS44]

They're seemingly after Boyce from Burton, which seems peculiar as he is getting a regular game and their bid is less than half of what Burton paid Ross County. Another keeper to Tynecastle, goalie at Barnsley when Stendel was there but now at another club

[wallpaperman]

The problem that I see is that some of the players that were deemed crap a couple of weeks ago, would now get a start for Barcelona according to the Gorgie masses.

The crap goalie from Man Utd is so good at getting the ball out quickly, he is the man.

Fatty Halkett who was getting slated big style was ok against Aberdeen, so he’s back in favour.

Bozanic apparently had no heart for the fight, but he’s now the Gorgie Iniesta.

Jamie Brandon was way down the pecking order,
but is now back in favour.

In short, they are all over the place, and don’t know who they want to punt to bring in the superstars.

[jgl07]

Hearts have collected less points (by some margin) than any other SPL team in 2019.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50958324

[Waxy]

If Hamilton lost every game, Hertz would have beaten them twice gaining six points on them thus overtaking them.

Your right and i’m wrong.

[Waxy]

Alot of pressure now on the players and manager.Now they’ve been elevated to superstar status after the greatest ever draw against The sleepy sheep.

[SingaporeHibs]

Hopefully 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬

[JohnM1875]

Alot of pressure now on the players and manager.Now they’ve been elevated to superstar status after the greatest ever draw against The sleepy sheep.

Totally. All signs point to relegation or at minimum a play off. They are awful!

Regardless of how well they played against Aberdeen they still drew. Of course they'll have games when they play well, like at the weekend there. The worry is when you don't win those games.

[Deansy]

Can anyone work out the earliest the mathematical confirmation for their relegation can be confirmed - end of next month ??

[Sir David Gray]

Can anyone work out the earliest the mathematical confirmation for their relegation can be confirmed - end of next month ??

The very earliest is probably around the middle of March but realistically if they do go down it's likely to be confirmed around the end of April or start of May.

[we are hibs]

I hope they go down and never come back. A double relegation would be nice

[Since452]

A defeat away to Ross County and at home to Rangers will make their historic home draw with Aberdeen feel like a distant memory. Hopefully Ian Murray pumps them out the cup too

[A Hi-Bee]

Naw, they are all well versed in war films and will make a great excape toward the end.

[SHODAN]

I hope they go down and never come back. A double relegation would be nice

I hope they go down and come back weakened.

[Eyrie]

Naw, they are all well versed in war films and will make a great excape toward the end.

I'm fine with that, providing they've got the Gordon Jackson or Steve McQueen role and not that of Charles Bronson.

[Joe6-2]

All the evidence you need that there is a strong possibility they will go down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50958324

Annus horribilis, they are in a hole!

[hibbyfraelibby]

I'm fine with that, providing they've got the Gordon Jackson or Steve McQueen role and not that of Charles Bronson.

Maybes we need to update to a Vietnam war film...would love to see Danny Boy being lifted off the roof of the mega stand on the last helicopter before the Dalrykong take the compound😉

[Keith_M]

Does anyone really want them to go down? I like the Derby matches too much.


Me.

[PatHead]

Me.

And me........

[Bostonhibby]

And me........I could probably live with it.

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[Northernhibee]

I could probably live with it.

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By the time they were promoted I’d just about have stopped laughing so I don’t think I’d have noticed their absence.

[Bostonhibby]

By the time they were promoted I’d just about have stopped laughing so I don’t think I’d have noticed their absence.What if their place was taken by Robbie Neilson's Dundee United?

Oh my sides[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[Cataplana]

A few years of struggling in the bottom six, regularly getting a horsing from us, please. Once they get the cash together for the stand, they will collapse into the lower leagues doing an Airdrie, with a ground that will never be full.

Or, a collective holding up of hands, an admission that they were pampered and fed nonsense for so long, and just didn't see the need to be careful with money.

[AltheHibby]

Or, a collective holding up of hands, an admission that they were pampered and fed nonsense for so long, and just didn't see the need to be careful with money.[/QUOTE]

And on that day a young Jenny Agutter will step out the Tardis and beg me for my body. (And not for medical purposes!)

[Since452]

Unpopular opinion - I hope they don't go down. I enjoy Derbies to much

I hope they go down, slip in to adminstration again, drop in to league one and end up liqidaded, reform as Gorgie United in the lowland league and get routinely pumped by Spartans. Apart from that I wish them well.

[PatHead]

I hope they go down, slip in to adminstration again, drop in to league one and end up liqidaded, reform as Gorgie United in the lowland league and get routinely pumped by Spartans. Apart from that I wish them well.

Agree with that apart from them reforming.

[jacomo]

Hearts have collected less points (by some margin) than any other SPL team in 2019.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50958324


Wow that is awful (and we are pretty bad too).

[The 90+2]

I could probably live with it.

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I’ll have sleepless nights but I’m sure I would get there :greengrin I hope they crumble and Edinburgh City becomes our city rivals. We could even have a Rover Cardigan corner when we complete the 50,000 stadium so we can separate ourselves from them when they come to watch top flight football.

[The 90+2]

I hope they go down, slip in to adminstration again, drop in to league one and end up liqidaded, reform as Gorgie United in the lowland league and get routinely pumped by Spartans. Apart from that I wish them well.

Why would the lowland league let the ****s in?

[Nicho87]

Dropping Berra against Aberdeen is a step in the right direction for them sadly. Michael Nelson-esque

[Hibs4185]

I hope they go down, slip in to adminstration again, drop in to league one and end up liqidaded, reform as Gorgie United in the lowland league and get routinely pumped by Spartans. Apart from that I wish them well.

Couldn’t have put it better myself

[hibbyfraelibby]

Why would the lowland league let the ****s in?

Would they not have to restart in the East of Scotland League now?

[Waxy]

Why would the lowland league let the ****s in?

Show how actual lucky the Rangvars were a few years ago.Any later and they’d have been demoted to the lowland.

[cad]

Would they not have to restart in the East of Scotland League now?


Imagine the 8,000 or however many there are paying £80 for life to play East Of Scotland Football jeez that does appeal ,do you think they pass the debt from father to son as an inheritance " Aye son I pass my Heart Foundation book over to you now I leave it in your safe hands ,but dad I want to save for Ibiza wi the boys ,your going to no Ibiza my lad yer 42 FFS

[Aldo]

I want them beaten every week and as it stands they will have to spend and spend big to try and get out this mess! Now most I know think they will spend and bring in decent players???

All about opinions I suppose!

The draw against the Dandies has similarities to their recent visit to the Scottish Cup Finsl. They didn’t win but tried really hard and played better then don’t other team could do its just like a win......... NO other team would or could have fought or played better...... or so I’m told!!

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[CraigHibee]

i think at the end of the season when the spam farts finish in the lower echelons of the league they should produce a series called

"The Daniel Stendal Mysteries"

[Frankhfc]

Never want to see hibs get beaten but if Hamilton do sneak a result against us it won't be all bad, just saying. :greengrin

[DetroitHibs]

They are the luckiest shower of ***** in the world. They'll get out by the skin of there teeth.

[Eyrie]

Never want to see hibs get beaten but if Hamilton do sneak a result against us it won't be all bad, just saying. :greengrin

If Hearts fluke an upset in Dingwall then a Hibs win would leave them just two points behind.

Ross County are now my second team.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I don’t think they will get relegated but I hope that they do. It’s just hilarious watching them just now and I’m looking forward to the BBC show, it will give us a great deal of learning on how to run a club courtesy of Dr Budge.

[allezsauzee]

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This is sort of wearethebigteamery that should seal their place at the bottom of the table. Excellent! :thumbsup:

[bingo70]

If Hearts fluke an upset in Dingwall then a Hibs win would leave them just two points behind.

Ross County are now my second team.

But then the following week Hamilton are at home to livi and hearts at home to rangers so there’s a good chance it’d be back up to 5 points again. That’s the problem Hearts have.

The more I think about it the more I think the rest of their season could be defined by the Ross County game. If they fail to win that and then the results go as expected in the games I mentioned above there’s a very real chance they could be 8 points behind with a tough run of fixtures ahead for them.

[matty_f]

This is sort of wearethebigteamery that should seal their place at the bottom of the table. Excellent! :thumbsup:

Has anyone asked him to demonstrate how it looks better for them than us?

[B.H.F.C]

But then the following week Hamilton are at home to livi and hearts at home to rangers so there’s a good chance it’d be back up to 5 points again. That’s the problem Hearts have.

The more I think about it the more I think the rest of their season could be defined by the Ross County game. If they fail to win that and then the results go as expected in the games I mentioned above there’s a very real chance they could be 8 points behind with a tough run of fixtures ahead for them.

The Ross County game is massive for them. If they don’t win that (there is no way they beat The Rangers the following week) then that’s another couple of games ticked off and they’ll, potentially, be even further adrift.

They keep thinking that a positive result is just around the corner or that it’ll happen soon. We know from 2014 that’s a dangerous thing to think.

[Ozyhibby]

The Ross County game is massive for them. If they don’t win that (there is no way they beat The Rangers the following week) then that’s another couple of games ticked off and they’ll, potentially, be even further adrift.

They keep thinking that a positive result is just around the corner or that it’ll happen soon. We know from 2014 that’s a dangerous thing to think.

Ross County is probably their biggest game in years. They will likely have new players in and it will set the tone for the rest of their season.


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[Pagan Hibernia]

Has anyone asked him to demonstrate how it looks better for them than us?

whats wrong with you, it’s demonstrative! :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

I for one can't wait for the 'Inside Tynecastle' documentary.

The comedy award at the Scottish Baftas is surely a mere formality.

[matty_f]

I for one can't wait for the 'Inside Tynecastle' documentary.

The comedy award at the Scottish Baftas is surely a mere formality.

In my head, it's going to be exactly like The Office, right down to stealing the exact same opening credits.

[CloudSquall]

I for one can't wait for the 'Inside Tynecastle' documentary.

The comedy award at the Scottish Baftas is surely a mere formality.

The BBC must be doing cartwheels at the material they are being provided for this.

[cocteautwin]

In my head, it's going to be exactly like The Office, right down to stealing the exact same opening credits.

Same awful 1970s office block, same view of Edinburgh Castle (i.e. none)


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[bingo70]

I for one can't wait for the 'Inside Tynecastle' documentary.

The comedy award at the Scottish Baftas is surely a mere formality.

I just don’t get why clubs would provide that sort of access.

Running a football team/club is a very difficult job, adding in a camera crew following you around is only going to add to the strain and make it more difficult for the players to relax.

I know there’ll be a financial benefit but in a game where small margins can be so important it amazes me clubs sign up to give such access to tv companies.

[Since452]

I just don’t get why clubs would provide that sort of access.

Running a football team/club is a very difficult job, adding in a camera crew following you around is only going to add to the strain and make it more difficult for the players to relax.

I know there’ll be a financial benefit but in a game where small margins can be so important it amazes me clubs sign up to give such access to tv companies.

Sure I read Jack Ross tried to get it scrapped at Sunderland but they were contracturaly obliged to continue. He managed to ban the cameras from certain areas though

[Viva_Palmeiras]

In my head, it's going to be exactly like The Office, right down to stealing the exact same opening credits.

Next Time in Trouble at the Big Tip...

Students Sharon and Bob who met on the fields of Oriam get married on the spot he first met her with a full blown Sliding tackle and the first team play on the Hockey pitches...

[Keith_M]

i think at the end of the season when the spam farts finish in the lower echelons of the league they should produce a series called

"The Daniel Stendal Mysteries"


How many times.... it's Stendel, no Stendal !!!


:grr:

[lyonhibs]

I for one can't wait for the 'Inside Tynecastle' documentary.

The comedy award at the Scottish Baftas is surely a mere formality.

The Scottish BAFTAS are decidedly wee team stuff.

It's BAFTAs this year, with all eyes on the Academy Awards in 2021.

[The Spaceman]

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KiwiDoug and the rest of JKB are thick as pig ****.

Are they forgetting the 5-0 loss to Livingston in December 2018, when A) Hearts were better than at present and B) Livingston were marginally worse than present?

[Since452]

KiwiDoug and the rest of JKB are thick as pig ****.

Are they forgetting the 5-0 loss to Livingston in December 2018, when A) Hearts were better than at present and B) Livingston were marginally worse than present?

Like an alcoholic saying they don't have a drink problem while sipping on a Tenents Super at 9am. Denial.

[Ronniekirk]

Will depend who they bring in in the Transfer Window and how quickly they make a difference
Will only take a few wins to get them off the bottom of the start well after the break
But if they don’t win the first couple and other teams stretch the gap then then pressure is on and they will be contenders
But despite their position now I don’t think they will finish bottom



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[bingo70]

Will depend who they bring in in the Transfer Window and how quickly they make a difference
Will only take a few wins to get them off the bottom of the start well after the break
But if they don’t win the first couple and other teams stretch the gap then then pressure is on and they will be contenders
But despite their position now I don’t think they will finish bottom



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They play both Rangers and Celtic in the games quite soon after the break and you’re assuming Hamilton and St Mirren won’t just win a few games as well.

[Waxy]

It’s pretty much going to come down to their games against each other.
No matter what happens if they lose twice in four to Hamilton and St Mirren its bye bye, see yous in 2022 maybe.

[Ronniekirk]

They play both Rangers and Celtic in the games quite soon after the break and you’re assuming Hamilton and St Mirren won’t just win a few games as well.

Not sure I ether will go on a three or four game unbeaten run so don’t think they are defo going to finish last


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[JohnMcM]

Will depend who they bring in in the Transfer Window and how quickly they make a difference
Will only take a few wins to get them off the bottom of the start well after the break
But if they don’t win the first couple and other teams stretch the gap then then pressure is on and they will be contenders
But despite their position now I don’t think they will finish bottom



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I'm in the 'agree with you' camp. Despite how much they are being laughed at on here, there's no getting away from it, they are slowly, very slowly improving.

In in their last 3 games, including against us they played some quick passing football in bursts. If we are honest, we can see they were unlucky not to score at least once against us in the second half.

A striker with a good positional sense in this transfer window, coupled with the return of their injured players may just see the upturn in fortunes that will see them home safely.

:offski::dunno:

[Since452]

They play both Rangers and Celtic in the games quite soon after the break and you’re assuming Hamilton and St Mirren won’t just win a few games as well.

Yup. Ross County away then Rangers at home. I'd be amazed if they got a single point from their first two games back. Then away to St Johnstone who just beat them at Tynecastle

[Cataplana]

Yup. Ross County away then Rangers at home. I'd be amazed if they got a single point from their first two games back. Then away to St Johnstone who just beat them at Tynecastle

Or, if they have turned it round, six points would not be unrealistic.

[blackpoolhibs]

Heartbreaking 😰💔 | BBCnews - A 15 year old boy was at the center of the Edinburgh sheriff courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him. The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulation requiring that family unity be maintained to the highest degree possible. The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried and said that they also beat him. After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him. After two recesses to check legal references and conference with the child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to Heart of Midlothian FC whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone

[Bostonhibby]

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[calumhibee1]

Or, if they have turned it round, six points would not be unrealistic.

Not sure about that. They’re unlikely to get anything from Rangers and I’d even be surprised to see mid table teams winning away to RC and St J back to back, never mind bottom of the league.

I genuinely think they’re likely to go into the St J away game on the back of two more defeats. The pressure will be huge on them at that point.

[Smartie]

3 points for a win means wins are huge.

I don't think they'll get pumped every week but even draws don't get them anywhere. Their first point in ages in their last game was an improvement, yet they still found themselves further adrift.

They might get a point against Sevco, but winning either against Ross County or St Johnstone is essential for them. Even if they draw all 3, they're unlikely to have made progress.

Remember what happened to us when we only needed one more win but couldn't buy one.

Their new manager and this transfer window does give them a massive opportunity for a fresh start. If things don't start to go their way soon though, the natives will be restless and it will be very hard to stop the players' heads from going down early in games.

[Cataplana]

Not sure about that. They’re unlikely to get anything from Rangers and I’d even be surprised to see mid table teams winning away to RC and St J back to back, never mind bottom of the league.

I genuinely think they’re likely to go into the St J away game on the back of two more defeats. The pressure will be huge on them at that point.

I'm not sure of them doing it either. If they are going to stay up, they really have to.

Slip back any further and the penny has to drop with the deluded. Then they will rapidly go into a vicious spiral of poor results, low attendance, poor morale, and perilous finances.

[SJNB Hibby]

3 points for a win means wins are huge.

I don't think they'll get pumped every week but even draws don't get them anywhere. Their first point in ages in their last game was an improvement, yet they still found themselves further adrift.

They might get a point against Sevco, but winning either against Ross County or St Johnstone is essential for them. Even if they draw all 3, they're unlikely to have made progress.

Remember what happened to us when we only needed one more win but couldn't buy one.

Their new manager and this transfer window does give them a massive opportunity for a fresh start. If things don't start to go their way soon though, the natives will be restless and it will be very hard to stop the players' heads from going down early in games.


Sevco are in a serious titrle race for the first time in a decade, and could even be considered favourites----cant see them losing points to anybody other than Smeltic. Gerrard seems to have them well organised

[Smartie]

Sevco are in a serious titrle race for the first time in a decade, and could even be considered favourites----cant see them losing points to anybody other than Smeltic. Gerrard seems to have them well organised

He does have them organised and they have impressed me.

They've made their home ground a fortress, which is essential. But how edgy does Ibrox get if they get to 70, 80 minutes at 0-0 with someone? Do they have what it takes to drag their team over the line? Gerrard hasn't faced a crisis yet - do they have what it takes to over come the inevitable setbacks?

There are also some difficult away grounds where they need to go to pick up wins. Pittodrie, Tynecastle, Easter Road, they should be getting hard games there. There are some horrible wee, empty grounds with plastic pitches that they'll have to deal with.

Celtic are the team with the track record of getting it done. Their players have been there and done that.

[Sammy7nil]

He does have them organised and they have impressed me.

They've made their home ground a fortress, which is essential. But how edgy does Ibrox get if they get to 70, 80 minutes at 0-0 with someone? Do they have what it takes to drag their team over the line? Gerrard hasn't faced a crisis yet - do they have what it takes to over come the inevitable setbacks?

There are also some difficult away grounds where they need to go to pick up wins. Pittodrie, Tynecastle, Easter Road, they should be getting hard games there. There are some horrible wee, empty grounds with plastic pitches that they'll have to deal with.

Celtic are the team with the track record of getting it done. Their players have been there and done that.

Is that you Willie Miller :greengrin

[.Sean.]

Just had a look at their fixtures and I am now convinced they are very much in deep ****. They will finish 10th at very best and that’ll be with a good transfer window

[jacomo]

KiwiDoug and the rest of JKB are thick as pig ****.

Are they forgetting the 5-0 loss to Livingston in December 2018, when A) Hearts were better than at present and B) Livingston were marginally worse than present?


KiwiDoug is gold.

Full of the hubris that brings them down, time and time again.

Long may it continue.

[PH91]

I'm in the 'agree with you' camp. Despite how much they are being laughed at on here, there's no getting away from it, they are slowly, very slowly improving.

In in their last 3 games, including against us they played some quick passing football in bursts. If we are honest, we can see they were unlucky not to score at least once against us in the second half.

A striker with a good positional sense in this transfer window, coupled with the return of their injured players may just see the upturn in fortunes that will see them home safely.

:offski::dunno:

This is where i am. Souttar, haring, washington and naismith back, a new striker in and the fact that the new manager seems to have sussed out that their younger players (meshino, irving, henderson) are better than the middle aged journeyman they have should see them get out of trouble.

Don't get me wrong, i really hope they go down but i think they will just have enough.

[Keith_M]

He does have them organised and they have impressed me.

They've made their home ground a fortress, which is essential. But how edgy does Ibrox get if they get to 70, 80 minutes at 0-0 with someone? Do they have what it takes to drag their team over the line? Gerrard hasn't faced a crisis yet - do they have what it takes to over come the inevitable setbacks?

There are also some difficult away grounds where they need to go to pick up wins. Pittodrie, Tynecastle, Easter Road, they should be getting hard games there. There are some horrible wee, empty grounds with plastic pitches that they'll have to deal with.

Celtic are the team with the track record of getting it done. Their players have been there and done that.


I actually think The Rangers will win the league this year.

In the games I've seen between Hibs and the Ugly Sisters, Der Hun have easily been the most impressive of the two.

[calumhibee1]

I actually think The Rangers will win the league this year.

In the games I've seen between Hibs and the Ugly Sisters, Der Hun have easily been the most impressive of the two.

I reckon rangers at their best are better than Celtic at their best. I’m not sure they’re as consistent though, although then again their results would suggest that they are.

[bingo70]

This is where i am. Souttar, haring, washington and naismith back, a new striker in and the fact that the new manager seems to have sussed out that their younger players (meshino, irving, henderson) are better than the middle aged journeyman they have should see them get out of trouble.

Don't get me wrong, i really hope they go down but i think they will just have enough.

Those players are all crocks though and can’t be relied on. They’ll come back for a bit but the likelihood is they’ll be rushed back and then go out injured again.

I grudgingly admit they probably will win more than they did earlier in the season, I think their problem is Hamilton and St Mirren will also win games.

The Ross County game for them is absolutely huge. If you work on the assumption Hamilton will lose to us (dangerous assumption I know) but then beat Livingston at home (who I think have a poor away record) and then assume Rangers beat Hearts they’d be 8 points behind Hamilton if they lose to Ross County.

I think Hearts are in real bother but if they beat Ross County I might start to agree that they will probably get out of it.

[calumhibee1]

Those players are all crocks though and can’t be relied on. They’ll come back for a bit but the likelihood is they’ll be rushed back and then go out injured again.

I grudgingly admit they probably will win more than they did earlier in the season, I think their problem is Hamilton and St Mirren will also win games.

The Ross County game for them is absolutely huge. If you work on the assumption Hamilton will lose to us (dangerous assumption I know) but then beat Livingston at home (who I think have a poor away record) and then assume Rangers beat Hearts they’d be 8 points behind Hamilton if they lose to Ross County.

I think Hearts are in real bother but if they beat Ross County I might start to agree that they will probably get out of it.

:agree:

The RC game is huge for them. Lose that and I think they’ll be relegated.

[Kaff]

:agree:

The RC game is huge for them. Lose that and I think they’ll be relegated.

Ross Stewart being reported as out with hamstring injury, he will be a big miss for RC.
Lucky Cosgrove was missing for Aberdeen and now this, they've had poor injuries but little bits of good fortune for them too.
Ross County game is big for them, my feeling is that they should pick up a bit of form and escape the drop tbh

[Smartie]

I actually think The Rangers will win the league this year.

In the games I've seen between Hibs and the Ugly Sisters, Der Hun have easily been the most impressive of the two.

Yeah, I thought that last season as well though.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Undefeated this weekend, small mercies.

[Pretty Boy]

Undefeated this weekend, small mercies.

The gap didn't get any bigger this weekend.

That just shows that they have demonstrably improved since last weekend.

[Sir David Gray]

The gap didn't get any bigger this weekend.

That just shows that they have demonstrably improved since last weekend.

Unbeaten in 2020.

Herr Stendel is the man.

[Jones28]

The gap didn't get any bigger this weekend.

That just shows that they have demonstrably improved since last weekend.

As a peg selling Hobo I understand that to be proof positive that they will catch up with us and that the rest of our season is demonstrably more difficult than theirs.

[Springbank]

Quick Quiz Question

"Hello friends and friends.

Here's your Daniel with a question.

Who have been bottom of the Scottish Premiership all this decade?"

💜

[FilipinoHibs]

The gap didn't get any bigger this weekend.

That just shows that they have demonstrably improved since last weekend.

They closed the gap with us last weekend. But we have kept it constant this weekend. They have regressed against us but have improved against the teams above by not getting further behind.

[Eyrie]

They closed the gap with us last weekend. But we have kept it constant this weekend. They have regressed against us but have improved against the teams above by not getting further behind.

They're in better form than us, as that is two weekends they've avoided defeat and two weekends where we haven't won.

Indeed, we haven't won a game since we played the relegation favourites.

[we are hibs]

Hearts in for jack hendry. If they werent stick ons for relegation they will be now. Awful defender.

[Eyrie]

Hearts in for jack hendry. If they werent stick ons for relegation they will be now. Awful defender.

I shake my head when people say we should get him, so that's good news on two counts.

[The 90+2]

Just had a look at their fixtures and I am now convinced they are very much in deep ****. They will finish 10th at very best and that’ll be with a good transfer window

Beautiful, isn’t it 😁😁

[Aldo]

Hearts in for jack hendry. If they werent stick ons for relegation they will be now. Awful defender.

Let’s hope they can pull it off!


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[The 90+2]

Let’s hope they can pull it off!


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Lennon will surely make it happen, he hates them. Hearts in danger of going down, loan a huddy from Celtic. Poetic.

[Aldo]

Lennon will surely make it happen, he hates them. Hearts in danger of going down, loan a huddy from Celtic. Poetic.

Woeful player imho. If they do sign him they will put some spin on him being some world class best in the league defender!


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[The 90+2]

Woeful player imho. If they do sign him they will put some spin on him being some world class best in the league defender!


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:greengrin very true. Celtic wanted to keep him but Lennon and prior to that Brendan Rodgers doesn’t suit his Harlem Globetrotting style of defending.

[Aldo]

:greengrin very true. Celtic wanted to keep him but Lennon and prior to that Brendan Rodgers doesn’t suit his Harlem Globetrotting style of defending.

A defender is suppose to be able to defend so why call him a defender. Over a million pounds for him too. Dundee got a cracking deal


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[The 90+2]

A defender is suppose to be able to defend so why call him a defender. Over a million pounds for him too. Dundee got a cracking deal


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He’s got so many more to his game than just defending though, if you send me a stamp I’ll try and think of some 😉

[The 90+2]

A defender is suppose to be able to defend so why call him a defender. Over a million pounds for him too. Dundee got a cracking deal


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Reading up on him, Scotland actually have capped the guy three times also.

[Ozyhibby]

Reading up on him, Scotland actually have capped the guy three times also.

That’s just the contractually obliged caps that must be given to every old firm signing.


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[The 90+2]

That’s just the contractually obliged caps that must be given to every old firm signing.


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True. Still annoys me that Burchill got in the Scotland squad ahead of Miller until Miller sat on the huns bench.

[jacomo]

As a peg selling Hobo I understand that to be proof positive that they will catch up with us and that the rest of our season is demonstrably more difficult than theirs.


Genius Jambos: they understand that being bottom of the table is likely to give you a kinder fixture list than if you are in the top 6.

[Waxy]

Will they get three home games after the split?
Anyone know what they had last few seasons?

[calumhibee1]

Will they get three home games after the split?
Anyone know what they had last few seasons?

They’ll have had 16 home and 17 away before the split so they should get 3 in theory but it doesn’t always work like that.

Their record at Tynecastle is so bad that it might be a bad thing getting more home than away.

[Sir David Gray]

Will they get three home games after the split?
Anyone know what they had last few seasons?

Assuming the bottom six stays like it is, their post split fixtures should be;

St Mirren (H)
St Johnstone (H)
Hamilton (A)
Ross County (A)
Kilmarnock (A)

I think, where possible, they try and avoid a team playing 20 home games or 20 away games so they'll likely play one of those away games, at home.

[Jones28]

Genius Jambos: they understand that being bottom of the table is likely to give you a kinder fixture list than if you are in the top 6.

Yes that’s exactly how it works. I hope KiwiDoug can tell us more.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Lennon will surely make it happen, he hates them. Hearts in danger of going down, loan a huddy from Celtic. Poetic.

Correct. [regarding my request for him to ensure Hearts don’t triumph in the cup final ] : “that won’t be allowed to happen. I hate Hearts more than you!” Direct Lenny quote. Source me. I was through in the week for a mates bday in the West End.

[Cataplana]

To be fair to Dan, he is doing all the things that need to be done to sort the mess at Hearts. I think he is too late to prevent the drop, but sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards.

What is not right is allowing the previous management to hang around. Every time a player gets upset by the new boss, they will go running to the old boss.

[Since452]

I'm sure he'll get his first win eventually

[Bostonhibby]

To be fair to Dan, he is doing all the things that need to be done to sort the mess at Hearts. I think he is too late to prevent the drop, but sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards.

What is not right is allowing the previous management to hang around. Every time a player gets upset by the new boss, they will go running to the old boss.

You're not really getting what Mrs doctor Budge meant when she enlightened us all with her pronouncements about Hearts revolutionary management structure when Father Dougal was ordained into the role.

All big clubs will eventually do it the Hearts way, you sack an utterly hopeless manager but you swiftly invent a director of football/sporting director role on a part time job sharing basis then appoint said sacked manager. In the months ahead we'll see Desperate Dan working a shift or two with Nanny and Potter.

It's the Hotel California model. You can check out anytime you want but you can never leave. Eventually the FOH guys will be funding more ex managers / part time sporting directors than there are ruts in the pitch.

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[matty_f]

I'm sure he'll get his first win eventually

He's unbeaten this week, so going in the right direction.

[Cataplana]

You're not really getting what Mrs doctor Budge meant when she enlightened us all with her pronouncements about Hearts revolutionary management structure when Father Dougal was ordained into the role.

All big clubs will eventually do it the Hearts way, you sack an utterly hopeless manager but you swiftly invent a director of football/sporting director role on a part time job sharing basis then appoint said sacked manager. In the months ahead we'll see Desperate Dan working a shift or two with Nanny and Potter.

It's the Hotel California model. You can check out anytime you want but you can never leave. Eventually the FOH guys will be funding more ex managers / part time sporting directors than there are ruts in the pitch.

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And real Hearts men like Medals still can't get a look in. Imagine how he feels.

[Bostonhibby]

And real Hearts men like Medals still can't get a look in. Imagine how he feels.Surely he's a Director of football/ sporting director (part time) in the making? They should give hime a go, if only to make up a decent dominoes quartet in the Diggers?

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[weecounty hibby]

You're not really getting what Mrs doctor Budge meant when she enlightened us all with her pronouncements about Hearts revolutionary management structure when Father Dougal was ordained into the role.

All big clubs will eventually do it the Hearts way, you sack an utterly hopeless manager but you swiftly invent a director of football/sporting director role on a part time job sharing basis then appoint said sacked manager. In the months ahead we'll see Desperate Dan working a shift or two with Nanny and Potter.

It's the Hotel California model. You can check out anytime you want but you can never leave. Eventually the FOH guys will be funding more ex managers / part time sporting directors than there are ruts in the pitch.

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I see you missed out the bit about the director of football appointing the aforementioned utterly hopeless manager, sacking him, then taking over the role as utterly hopeless manager as well as utterly hopeless director of football.
He then sacks himself from the role of utterly hopeless manager but retains half of the role off utterly hopeless director of football.
Budge then sacks the utterly useless assistant manager and gives him the other half of the role of utterly useless director of football.
It's the way all clubs will work one day. It makes perfect sense when you see it written down and it's why they are the bigliest club in the world and we are forever in their shadow.

[Bostonhibby]

I see you missed out the bit about the director of football appointing the aforementioned utterly hopeless manager, sacking him, then taking over the role as utterly hopeless manager as well as utterly hopeless director of football.
He then sacks himself from the role of utterly hopeless manager but retains half of the role off utterly hopeless director of football.
Budge then sacks the utterly useless assistant manager and gives him the other half of the role of utterly useless director of football.
It's the way all clubs will work one day. It makes perfect sense when you see it written down and it's why they are the bigliest club in the world and we are forever in their shadow.You're right[emoji16]

But now you've explained it it makes perfect sense.

I think that's what Mrs doctor Budge and Levein were down telling Man City all about when they made their triumphal visit down there.

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[jacomo]

Stendel had a pop at entire Hearts set up for a lack of professionalism.

Berra and Whelan both had a pop at Stendel personally for a lack of professionalism.

If I was in the Hearts squad, I’d look at the manager’s choice of attire and boozer’s nose and think ‘hmm’.

[calumhibee1]

Stendel had a pop at entire Hearts set up for a lack of professionalism.

Berra and Whelan both had a pop at Stendel personally for a lack of professionalism.

If I was in the Hearts squad, I’d look at the manager’s choice of attire and boozer’s nose and think ‘hmm’.

It's a bit bizarre really. He'll have lost the squad within a few weeks and 3 more league defeats in a row.

[Hibeesmad]

Aye

[Hibeesmad]

No chance at all.

£250 to a charity of .net’s choice of it does.

😁

[Hibeesmad]

Hearts will not be relegated.

😁

[Hibeesmad]

Again, the yam will avoid relegation. They will not go down.


They were abysmal today BUT they’re not going down.

Accies will collapse under Rice in the second half of the season

Sorry to pull you up on it, but I am sure you are glad you were proved wrong.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Hearts fans getting excited that stendel is staying. Be interesting to see how long that lasts.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Hearts fans getting excited that stendel is staying. Be interesting to see how long that lasts.

When he took over Hearts weren't even bottom. He actually made them worse than under Levein. Will be funny to see them under Stendel in the Championship going gung-ho and losing 3-2 at home to Alloa.

[MacGruber]

They are relegated just now and deservedly so for both being *****e on and off the park not to mention classless cheatings arholes.
From the start I've believed they will slither out of trouble as they always do and am still braced for reconstruction going through - or not and legal challenge being succesful. Something, even reconstuction and legal challenge failing but we can't get football going and other clubs go bust and they are back in.
We know what they are like when it comes to dodging the punishment. My celebrations are on hold until they actually kick a ball in the pee wee leagues.

[Waxy]

They are relegated just now and deservedly so for both being *****e on and off the park not to mention classless cheatings arholes.
From the start I've believed they will slither out of trouble as they always do and am still braced for reconstruction going through - or not and legal challenge being succesful. Something, even reconstuction and legal challenge failing but we can't get football going and other clubs go bust and they are back in.
We know what they are like when it comes to dodging the punishment. My celebrations are on hold until they actually kick a ball in the pee wee leagues.
They’ll be kicking off in the championship in August.
Leagues are starting again all over Europe now and it wont be that long before crowds are back.

[MacGruber]

They’ll be kicking off in the championship in August.
Leagues are starting again all over Europe now and it wont be that long before crowds are back.

Here's hoping.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

They’ll be kicking off in the championship in August.
Leagues are starting again all over Europe now and it wont be that long before crowds are back.

Yesterday on Sportsound said that the restart would be staggered. So Sept/Oct for championship (provided its an Aug start for Premiership)

[HibbySpurs]

We know what they are like when it comes to dodging the punishment. My celebrations are on hold until they actually kick a ball in the pee wee leagues.

Agree. I have a horrible feeling they will get away with this and the premiership will let them off the hook and we will end up disadvantaged to them.

The press are all over saving them and I fear any club who votes against will be pilliored and for that reason some will bite their lip and support it rather than face the bad PR.

Like you I won’t accept they will be made to take their medicine until the premiership kicks off without them.

Deeply frustrated that the SPFL and media now seem intent on ensuring their survival in the top flight and a growing sense of outrage at how hearts always manage to wriggle out.

[Clarence]

Agree. I have a horrible feeling they will get away with this and the premiership will let them off the hook and we will end up disadvantaged to them.

The press are all over saving them and I fear any club who votes against will be pilliored and for that reason some will bite their lip and support it rather than face the bad PR.

Like you I won’t accept they will be made to take their medicine until the premiership kicks off without them.

Deeply frustrated that the SPFL and media now seem intent on ensuring their survival in the top flight and a growing sense of outrage at how hearts always manage to wriggle out.

The press are only stirring up a feeling of injustice to get more clicks. It won’t change anything. The rest of the world is moving on and so will we be in August / September. They are down and need to get used to that fact.

[mim]

St Johnstone for the straight drop, Hearts will be in the play offs.

Inverness to cuff them up north and finish them off in front of the 400k faithful at Tynie.

Pleasing as some would say.

Apologies for dredging this post up, but it does demonstrate how things can turn round.

[green day]

Agree. I have a horrible feeling they will get away with this and the premiership will let them off the hook and we will end up disadvantaged to them.

The press are all over saving them and I fear any club who votes against will be pilliored and for that reason some will bite their lip and support it rather than face the bad PR.

Like you I won’t accept they will be made to take their medicine until the premiership kicks off without them.

Deeply frustrated that the SPFL and media now seem intent on ensuring their survival in the top flight and a growing sense of outrage at how hearts always manage to wriggle out.

There are plenty of clubs who have already stated their position, St Johnstone, St Mirren among them. I dont think that either of them have a great deal of love for Budge after some of her previous statements.

I suspect that this is replicated throughout the divisions.

One of the bonkers Sportsound ideas yesterday was that Hearts might end up in a top division because there will only be so many clubs that survive.................

Willie Miller did ask why - in those circumstances - wouldnt this "new" league then be open to any club that wanted to play such as Partick or Falkirk, both of whom reckon they will survive?

A good question and a great retort to the Hearts apologists on the Sportsound panel - of which there are lots.

[Ronniekirk]

Sorry to pull you up on it, but I am sure you are glad you were proved wrong.

Thought he no longer had a contract given they have been relegated


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[Spike Mandela]

They’re harder to get rid of than Dominic Cummings.

[Keith_M]

At least DC spent some time going up before going down again


And back up, then down again. (allegedly)

[Eyrie]

And back up, then down again. (allegedly)

And offers less unconvincing reasons for staying up than Hearts.

[Waxy]

And offers less unconvincing reasons for staying up than Hearts.

More crazy reasons from crazy people every day.
Scottish football is crumbling etc etc and then they single out hearts relegation.
Its mental.
The might as well say hearts need to stay up because they have to steal as much prize money as they can.
Why?