NHC Copa Libertadores

[Paloschi]

The final is live on bbc 2 at 8pm and also streaming on iplayer.

Arguably two of the biggest teams in South America in River Plate and Flamengo. Flamengo are the most supported club on the planet apparently.

This should be very exciting. River looking for back to back Libertadores titles but Flamengo look strong, managed by former Benfica boss Jorge Jesus.

River like to build play through defence and regista Enzo Perez and like to pass their way through while the Brazilians untraditionally favour an expansive pressing game. Two different styles, two incredible clubs and two enemy nations - should be a cracker!

[MWHIBBIES]

Should be a good game, definitely the best 2 sides South America have produced in years, genuine quality

[hibsbollah]

It's a rare treat getting this on terrestrial TV.

I was reading Tim Vickery the other day talking about how weak the domestic leagues in South America are in the last few years, the best players are still going to Europe en masse but now even their average players are choosing the MLS over domestic clubs. Particular problem in Argentina where the economy is on its knees with hyperinflation.

It will be interesting to see the quality on the pitch.

[660]

Hope river get skelped

[Lancs Harp]

Is this the first time its being played in a one off final rather than two legs? (Think this match is being played in Lima)

[The 90+2]

Is this the first time its being played in a one off final rather than two legs? (Think this match is being played in Lima)

Yeah. They’ve changed the format.

[bingo70]

The final is live on bbc 2 at 8pm and also streaming on iplayer.

Arguably two of the biggest teams in South America in River Plate and Flamengo. Flamengo are the most supported club on the planet apparently.

This should be very exciting. River looking for back to back Libertadores titles but Flamengo look strong, managed by former Benfica boss Jorge Jesus.

River like to build play through defence and regista Enzo Perez and like to pass their way through while the Brazilians untraditionally favour an expansive pressing game. Two different styles, two incredible clubs and two enemy nations - should be a cracker!

That can’t be true about Flamengo surely?

Barca, Real Madrid and man united are massive global brands and surely got more fans than them?!

[hibsbollah]

That can’t be true about Flamengo surely?

Barca, Real Madrid and man united are massive global brands and surely got more fans than them?!

The methodology behind how you count 'supporters' is very dodgy. Chelsea and Juve both claim to have 'over a million fans' in the Far East market. These figures are made up of online clicks, ie-you are called a supporter of Juve if you entered a competition to get tickets to watch Juve on their preseason tour! A lot of these folk were drawn by the chance to see CR7, the Chinese fan base is generally motivated by the cult of celebrity, not a love of Juve. Same with Man U and Liverpool and the Spanish clubs; the size of their following over there is massively exaggerated.

Anyway, the answer is Hearts as we all know.

[Keith_M]

That can’t be true about Flamengo surely?

Barca, Real Madrid and man united are massive global brands and surely got more fans than them?!


Hearts as well, surely?

[bingo70]

The methodology behind how you count 'supporters' is very dodgy. Chelsea and Juve both claim to have 'over a million fans' in the Far East market. These figures are made up of online clicks, ie-you are called a supporter of Juve if you entered a competition to get tickets to watch Juve on their preseason tour! A lot of these folk were drawn by the chance to see CR7, the Chinese fan base is generally motivated by the cult of celebrity, not a love of Juve. Same with Man U and Liverpool and the Spanish clubs; the size of their following over there is massively exaggerated.

Anyway, the answer is Hearts as we all know.

Yeah, I imagined there was more context to it than just Flamengo had more fans. That’s really what I was looking for, wasn’t meaning to just disagree for the sake of it.

Is it based on number of bodies through the turnstiles or something or just a general point that **** loads of people support them?

[hibsbollah]

Yeah, I imagined there was more context to it than just Flamengo had more fans. That’s really what I was looking for, wasn’t meaning to just disagree for the sake of it.

Is it based on number of bodies through the turnstiles or something or just a general point that **** loads of people support them?

Dunno mate. Some countries club teams get crazy attendances, Egypt and Mexico spring to mind.

[Mon Dieu4]

Dunno mate. Some countries club teams get crazy attendances, Egypt and Mexico spring to mind.

You and your los millonarios river plate pals will be loving this, weirdo, mon the boca

[hibsbollah]

You and your los millonarios river plate pals will be loving this, weirdo, mon the boca

**** the bosteros :greengrin

[Haymaker]

You and your los millonarios river plate pals will be loving this, weirdo, mon the boca

This. Mon the Boca!!

[Mon Dieu4]

**** the bosteros :greengrin

Still can't believe a man of the people like you supports them!!:na na:

[hibsbollah]

This. Mon the Boca!!

**** sake, you like the New England Patriots, Boca and West Ham? Did you do something wrong in a previous life :greengrin

[Lancs Harp]

River plate dumped Boca out in the semi finals. Flamengo beat Gremio a team I must confess I've never heard of in the other semi final.

[hibsbollah]

Still can't believe a man of the people like you supports them!!:na na:

Im just a champagne socialist :faf:

Mrs Bollah was in Buenos Aires in the summer. She loved it. She went on a tour of Boca, down at the docks it was really third world, more like flavellas, folk living in shacks built out of corrugated iron etc but everyone wearing blue and gold, big murals everywhere, and kids out playing football in the street everywhere you looked. Jealous.

[hibsbollah]

Get off ma screen Michael Portillo fannying about in the Great barrier reef

[hibsbollah]

Quintero only on the bench for River. Cheeky bid please Mr Gordon, you're supposed to have contacts in Lima...

[Mon Dieu4]

Quintero only on the bench for River. Cheeky bid please Mr Gordon, you're supposed to have contacts in Lima...

As much as I dislike them, if we sign the main man, I'm done

[Iggy Pope]

Im just a champagne socialist :faf:

Mrs Bollah was in Buenos Aires in the summer. She loved it. She went on a tour of Boca, down at the docks it was really third world, more like flavellas, folk living in shacks built out of corrugated iron etc but everyone wearing blue and gold, big murals everywhere, and kids out playing football in the street everywhere you looked. Jealous.

I was there in September and was lucky enough to take games in at La Bombanera and La Monumental.
River don’t really scratch at the atmosphere in and around Boca.
Something I learned; River initially came from La Boca district and moved uptown.....

[hibsbollah]

I was there in September and was lucky enough to take games in at La Bombanera and La Monumental.
River don’t really scratch at the atmosphere in and around Boca.
Something I learned; River initially came from La Boca district and moved uptown.....

Jealous :aok:

Stormtroopers now.

[Iggy Pope]

Jealous :aok:

Stormtroopers now.

Get yourself there. It is a fine city, lovely folk and never a dull moment.

[The 90+2]

Mon the Brazilians.

[hibsbollah]

Get yourself there. It is a fine city, lovely folk and never a dull moment.

My missus was mad for it. Steak and Malbec.

[Gloucester Hibs]

That’s a funny looking stadium, entire second tier appears to be executive boxes.

[Iggy Pope]

My missus was mad for it. Steak and Malbec.

Big Italian influence too.

[Haymaker]

**** sake, you like the New England Patriots, Boca and West Ham? Did you do something wrong in a previous life :greengrin

Clearly! :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

That’s a funny looking stadium, entire second tier appears to be executive boxes.

That looked odd to me too. :agree:

[hibsbollah]

Yes!!!

1-0.
Poor game so far really.

[RyeSloan]

That’s a funny looking stadium, entire second tier appears to be executive boxes.

I think it’s looks pretty immense!

[StevesFamau5]

I think it’s looks pretty immense!I totally agree. Looks fantastic. Atmosphere seems intense as well.

Scrappy game though

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[Lago]

My missus was mad for it. Steak and Malbec.

Oh the steaks are to die for.

[JeMeSouviens]

River plate dumped Boca out in the semi finals. Flamengo beat Gremio a team I must confess I've never heard of in the other semi final.

Gremio was Ronaldinho’s team before he came to europe.

[The 90+2]

Gremio was Ronaldinho’s team before he came to europe.

So was Jardel that boy who Rangers nearly signing who scored 100s in Portugal because he couldn’t get a work permit here.

[lord bunberry]

Flamengo haven’t turned up yet.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Has there ever been a British player that has made a mark in South American football (out with the early years)?

[danhibees1875]

The 2 softest free kicks have resulted in yellow cards. :confused:

[Haymaker]

So was Jardel that boy who Rangers nearly signing who scored 100s in Portugal because he couldn’t get a work permit here.

If I remember rightly he scored like 99 goals in 98 games for Porto but suddenly just... stopped. Weird that one.

[hibsbollah]

Really enjoying the two centre mids for River. Just winning every 50/50 and dominating.
Flamengo really poor so far.

[The 90+2]

If I remember rightly he scored like 99 goals in 98 games for Porto but suddenly just... stopped. Weird that one.

Hi liked the Ching and done his knee. Ended up at Bolton I think. I can remember him being pictures in a hun top before the work Permit failed and he became a superstar in Portugal and Turkey.

[The 90+2]

Really enjoying the two centre mids for River. Just winning every 50/50 and dominating.
Flamengo really poor so far.

Lots of time for this to change.

[Since452]

Stadium looks class. Everyone standing. Throwback to the past

[Haymaker]

Hi liked the Ching and done his knee. Ended up at Bolton I think. I can remember him being pictures in a hun top before the work Permit failed and he became a superstar in Portugal and Turkey.

Ha, didn't know that! He was a monster of a signing on Champ Man back in the day!

[bingo70]

Who’s generally thought to have the better domestic league, Argentina or Brazil?

[JeMeSouviens]

Not much of a game, is it?

[The 90+2]

Ha, didn't know that! He was a monster of a signing on Champ Man back in the day!

‘ shout :greengrin

What a miss that was.

[Lancs Harp]

Great stat they came up with at halftime. Apparently there is 1 European player in the Argentinian league but 1800 Argentinian players are registered as playing abroad. Must be a constant rebuilding job.

Not the greatest game as a spectacle but at the moment River Plate have Flamengo in their pocket.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Not much of a game, is it?

Nope.

[Pete]

I remember that Diego.

He's made a bit of a difference and it'd be good if Flamengo could score

[Renfrew_Hibby]

The stadium may look odd but it's quite a common design in the neighbouring countries of Colombia, Peru and Ecuador. Some of the major club sides from this region play at grounds like this such as Barcelona Guayaquil who are a massive club in Ecuador, their ground is something else.

In regular polling, approximately 1 in 4 Brazilians follow Flamengo, so that's around 50 million fans for starters!

Some people may not have heard of Gremio but they are one of 2 major clubs from Brazils deep south, they have been a top team in the past and play at a very modern 50,000 seater ground, perhaps the best in all of Brazil but for some reason the older of Porto Alegres' stadiums was chosen as a venue in the 2014 world cup.

[JeMeSouviens]

Totally undeserved.

[The 90+2]

Scenes 😂😂😂 30/1 they where in play with 20 left.

[660]

Haha giruy river

[EdinMike]

Well the last 10 mins were entertaining I had it on in the background.

[Lancs Harp]

Well that was a bit of a turn around. ..... Flamengos badge is is bit too much like the Rangers for me.

[JeMeSouviens]

Even more totally undeserved. It’s like man u v bayern.

[The 90+2]

Even more totally undeserved. It’s like man u v bayern.

It’s about 20 derbies I’ve been to.

[Haymaker]

Where's Bollah?!

[Lancs Harp]

Even more totally undeserved. It’s like man u v bayern.

United Bayern ran through my mind too

[hibsbollah]

Where's Bollah?!

I'm not bothered.
I just like the shirts really.

:greengrin

What total thievery.

[Haymaker]

I'm not bothered.
I just like the shirts really.

:greengrin

What total thievery.

:greengrin right

[The Baldmans Comb]

Tim Vicketys pre and post match analysis is well worth looking out for.

An English guy who has a deep knowledge of South American football but without the condescending and racist observations that seem so common to so many of his contemporarys

[hibsbollah]

Tim Vicketys pre and post match analysis is well worth looking out for.

An English guy who has a deep knowledge of South American football but without the condescending and racist observations that seem so common to so many of his contemporarys

Yep, I referenced him earlier, knowledgeable and passionate about his subject.

[660]

Gabriel barboca

[Paloschi]

not much of a game, is it?

lol

[JeMeSouviens]

Tim Vicketys pre and post match analysis is well worth looking out for.

An English guy who has a deep knowledge of South American football but without the condescending and racist observations that seem so common to so many of his contemporarys

Poor man’s Andrew Downie :wink:

[NAE NOOKIE]

Wow, that was daylight robbery. Flamengo were so bad for 70 minutes I doubt they would have given Hibs much bother, River only have themselves to blame though, to only score once in a game they were strolling was poor.

It was a poor game overall to be honest, not much of an advert for South american football, even with the dramatic finish.