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Diclonius
04-11-2019, 03:46 PM
It's time.

easty
04-11-2019, 03:47 PM
I don't see the appeal.

Dalianwanda
04-11-2019, 03:48 PM
no thanks

Gordy M
04-11-2019, 03:48 PM
Not for me, had a massive budget at Sunderland and couldnt get them up. Fans didnt like him and their critisism was almost identical to the stuff about PH on here. Far too many draws

GreenCastle
04-11-2019, 03:49 PM
What about his assistant ?

James Fowler?

Did he leave Sunderland also?

Would Ross bring Dylan back if he didn't play him down south ?!!

HoboHarry
04-11-2019, 03:49 PM
I'm not sharing the enthusiasm for Jack Ross. I hope he proves me completely wrong but I can't see it.

The Harp Awakes
04-11-2019, 03:50 PM
No thanks. We need an experienced Manager to get us out of this mess. No more experiments.

500miles
04-11-2019, 03:51 PM
I can see why we would, I can see why we wouldn't. I think we need an aggressive, driven character.

hughio
04-11-2019, 03:51 PM
Please no negativity about JR before he starts.

The record, looked at properly, is clear.

He has done well and will do well for us.

GreenCastle
04-11-2019, 03:51 PM
The worrying thing is Ross like Hecky would have to really start to get results to win fans over as several are unsure.

Lennon seemed to have the backing of most but still wasn't fully liked.

Always going to be hard to please everyone.

Hibbyradge
04-11-2019, 03:52 PM
No thanks. We need an experienced Manager to get us out of this mess. No more experiments.

Isn't Jack Ross experienced enough?

Chip shop Joe
04-11-2019, 03:52 PM
Would prefer Steve Robinson to be honest.

Hibs90
04-11-2019, 03:52 PM
It's a no from me.

Jim44
04-11-2019, 03:53 PM
It's time.

Is he not strong bookies’ favourite for Levein’s job, despite the cloud he left under last time they employed him?

Heisenberg
04-11-2019, 03:53 PM
What about his assistant ?

James Fowler?

Did he leave Sunderland also?

Would Ross bring Dylan back if he didn't play him down south ?!!

Boy from capital city press saying Fowler was at the Livi game last week.

RossScott1991
04-11-2019, 03:54 PM
Again thecat has tweeted that he is hearing Jack Ross is already in place and will be new manager. Who knows

HibeeCraig
04-11-2019, 03:54 PM
If he brings Mcgeouch with him I’m all for it

Hibbyradge
04-11-2019, 03:54 PM
Has he got a degree?

CLASS OF 72 -73
04-11-2019, 03:55 PM
Don't get the hype . No

Silversand
04-11-2019, 03:56 PM
Again thecat has tweeted that he is hearing Jack Ross is already in place and will be new manager. Who knowsDylan in January [emoji16]

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Willis1875
04-11-2019, 03:56 PM
The Scottish Heckingbottom... Hope not

BroxburnHibee
04-11-2019, 03:57 PM
Again thecat has tweeted that he is hearing Jack Ross is already in place and will be new manager. Who knows

Don't get why people hang on this guys guesses.

The Harp Awakes
04-11-2019, 03:57 PM
Isn't Jack Ross experienced enough?

Less than 4 years as a HC. Did well enough at Alloa and St Mirren and failed at Sunderland. Not brilliant experience. Could be a good appointment but not earth shattering credentials and I don't think we can afford to take a chance.

Vault Boy
04-11-2019, 03:58 PM
I think I would be happy with Ross

NC1875
04-11-2019, 03:59 PM
Heard at a wedding on Saturday Ross has agreed to take the job.

GreenCastle
04-11-2019, 03:59 PM
Again thecat has tweeted that he is hearing Jack Ross is already in place and will be new manager. Who knows

Ross will be driven considering he failed at Sunderland.

I could see him doing a McInnes type job if he gets off to a good start. (Though saying that I don't rate McInnes - he has been reasonably consistent).

He obviously knows the league and Scottish football.

We aren't going to get a Lennon so would rather him than some other manager looking to use us.

Ozyhibby
04-11-2019, 03:59 PM
Got more points with St. Mirren than Lennon managed with us in the championship. Scored more goals as well. On a much smaller budget.


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JimBHibees
04-11-2019, 03:59 PM
Less than 4 years as a HC. Did well enough at Alloa and St Mirren and failed at Sunderland. Not brilliant experience. Could be a good appointment but not earth shattering credentials and I don't think we can afford to take a chance.

Good Scottish experience and was pretty hot property before he went South. Think he would do well here. No appointment is risk free.

we are hibs
04-11-2019, 04:00 PM
Im not convinced.



Do we continue to go for relatively young managers (stubbs, Hrckingbottom) or someone with more experience but possibly less "hipster". Its a big decision but it quite simply has to be the right one as another heckingbottom could be disasterous

Heisenberg
04-11-2019, 04:01 PM
Did Ross not have a really bad start at St Mirren? He was in the stand arguing with fans kind of bad.

BILLYHIBS
04-11-2019, 04:01 PM
Sorry no more failures

Golden Bear
04-11-2019, 04:02 PM
Jack Ross looks near enough a "done deal."

WeeRussell
04-11-2019, 04:03 PM
Is he not strong bookies’ favourite for Levein’s job, despite the cloud he left under last time they employed him?

Robinson is currently 4/6 with skybet to get the Hearts job. Someone told me Jack Ross won't be considered for the Hearts job for similar reasons as to why some on here tell us that Stubbs wouldn't be returning to Hibs.

Could be nonsense of course.

Captain Trips
04-11-2019, 04:04 PM
Robinson is currently 4/6 with skybet to get the Hearts job. Someone told me Jack Ross won't be considered for the Hearts job for similar reasons as to why some on here tell us that Stubbs wouldn't be returning to Hibs.

Could be nonsense of course.

He ****ged Budge?

supermcginn
04-11-2019, 04:04 PM
Sorry no more failures

What manager hasn't had a failure?

hibbyfraelibby
04-11-2019, 04:04 PM
Robinson is currently 4/6 with skybet to get the Hearts job. Someone told me Jack Ross won't be considered for the Hearts job for similar reasons as to why some on here tell us that Stubbs wouldn't be returning to Hibs.

Could be nonsense of course.

Kittygate?

neil7908
04-11-2019, 04:05 PM
I'd be happy but hope we do our homework and look more widely before offering the role to anyone.

Mowbray and Stubbs have been two of our best appointments in my life time and both have come from left field.

The Harp Awakes
04-11-2019, 04:05 PM
Im not convinced.



Do we continue to go for relatively young managers (stubbs, Hrckingbottom) or someone with more experience but possibly less "hipster". Its a big decision but it quite simply has to be the right one as another heckingbottom could be disasterous

Correct. We need to get this decision right and get a Manager/HC in who hits the ground running and get all the fans on board.

Ozyhibby
04-11-2019, 04:06 PM
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-jack-ross-detailed-look-14685725




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DTS
04-11-2019, 04:06 PM
Jack Ross took St Mirren from almost guaranteed relegation to winning league in a season and a half? His team beat us championship winning team on both occasions. Take him in a heart beat

The Harp Awakes
04-11-2019, 04:07 PM
Did Ross not have a really bad start at St Mirren? He was in the stand arguing with fans kind of bad.

Yes, I think he lost his first 7 or 8 games or so? Then turned it around.

Ozyhibby
04-11-2019, 04:07 PM
Sorry no more failures

Mourinho ruled out already.[emoji849]


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Pretty Boy
04-11-2019, 04:08 PM
I'd take Ross over Robinson.

They seem to be the 2 most prominent names doing the rounds. Neither would get me overly excited but neither scream disaster either.

At our level it's always a case of hoping for a gem with a chance of finding a dud.

Rumble de Thump
04-11-2019, 04:09 PM
Good Scottish experience and was pretty hot property before he went South. Think he would do well here. No appointment is risk free.

Billy Davies, George Burley and Owen Coyle used to be hot property.

we are hibs
04-11-2019, 04:14 PM
Heard Graeme Murty mentioned

21sMay
04-11-2019, 04:19 PM
Heard Graeme Murty mentioned

Fishing ?

davhibby
04-11-2019, 04:20 PM
Jack Ross would fit in with the mentality Hibs used to have that saw us get relegated. Done well with St Mirren in a very poor championship the year they won it. Last year he managed to finish 5th in a 2 horse race then bottled the playoff final against 10 men. Not sure how that constitutes a good record

CMurdoch
04-11-2019, 04:21 PM
Knows the Scottish scene and as a result of his experience at Sunderland will know the players playing between the 2nd and 4th tiers in England.
Has had 4 management jobs and is young and driven.
Importantly he is not Football Manager laptop guy like Hecky or Cathro.

He has an axe to grind with Hearts so where better to to give them a GIRUY than the Hibs job.
Wouldn't be surprised if they have been getting him teed up since the Hamilton game with Livingston match being the signal to light the touch paper.

All things considered I would be happy if Ross is appointed.

Saint Hibee
04-11-2019, 04:21 PM
I'd take Ross over Robinson.

They seem to be the 2 most prominent names doing the rounds. Neither would get me overly excited but neither scream disaster either.

At our level it's always a case of hoping for a gem with a chance of finding a dud.
Yep, not that keen on Ross but would prefer him to Robinson.

Hibbyradge
04-11-2019, 04:28 PM
He ****ged Budge?

I'm actually scared to find out what that means! :paranoid:

The Harp Awakes
04-11-2019, 04:31 PM
I'm actually scared to find out what that means! :paranoid:

Well he did used to be Hearts under 20s coach:rolleyes:

Neily1982
04-11-2019, 04:32 PM
Just passing what I heard before Saturday game, Jack Ross had already been put in place, I never thought much of it at the time.

neil7908
04-11-2019, 04:34 PM
I'd take Ross over Robinson.

They seem to be the 2 most prominent names doing the rounds. Neither would get me overly excited but neither scream disaster either.

At our level it's always a case of hoping for a gem with a chance of finding a dud.

Agreed. Robinson reminds me a bit of Wright at St Johnstone. His name would have been thrown about a year or so ago but look at him now.

Robinson has done well but too early to say if he can sustain things.

Captain Trips
04-11-2019, 04:34 PM
Ronny Deila

calumhibee1
04-11-2019, 04:36 PM
He ****ged Budge?

I can say with a degree of certainty that Stubbsy has better taste than that.

Scouse Hibee
04-11-2019, 04:40 PM
Jack Ross apparently already agreed according to a source.
Will wait and see.

J-C
04-11-2019, 04:43 PM
I've yet to see the appeal of Ross, for me it's a no but if he gets the job he'll get my full support.

easty
04-11-2019, 04:49 PM
I've yet to see the appeal of Ross, for me it's a no but if he gets the job he'll get my full support.

:agree:

mjhibby
04-11-2019, 04:53 PM
Again thecat has tweeted that he is hearing Jack Ross is already in place and will be new manager. Who knows

Ian Murray as assistant. Was lined up a couple of weeks ago. Allegedly of course.

makaveli1875
04-11-2019, 04:59 PM
Id be happy with Ross .

marleyhib
04-11-2019, 05:00 PM
Poor at Sunderland with the biggest budget in League 1. To be fair Sunderland is a tough gig at the moment, a club in free fall.

My main concern would be he's come from failure and how resilient he'd be if things don't start off well.

HibbyAndy
04-11-2019, 05:00 PM
Id be happy with Ross .

Me tae

Cat Stanton
04-11-2019, 05:04 PM
Jack Ross took St Mirren from almost guaranteed relegation to winning league in a season and a half? His team beat us championship winning team on both occasions. Take him in a heart beat

Indeed. I'm no expert, but I don't quite get all the negativity about him on here. I don't follow English football (is that where the negativity stems from?) but up here he seemed to have excelled at Alloa, which is why he got a move to St. Mirren, and he excelled there too.

Hibbyradge
04-11-2019, 05:05 PM
Well he did used to be Hearts under 20s coach:rolleyes:

:hilarious

So it now involves a young player called ged, Jack Ross and Ann Budge?

It just gets more and more sordid at the PBS. :bitchy:

jeffers
04-11-2019, 05:06 PM
Ian Murray as assistant. Was lined up a couple of weeks ago. Allegedly of course.

Not according to his mother when I asked her last Sunday.

Unseen work
04-11-2019, 05:06 PM
ack Ross for me.

Successful with Alloa then took St Mirren from relegation candidates to getting them promoted and winning manager of the year.

Produced/gave a chance to good youth players with St Mirren - Mallan, Magennis, Morgan and Mcallister.

Great knowledge of Scottish football and knows how big a job hibs is and what we expect.

Sunderland was a near impossible challenge with fans still thinking they’re a premiership team. He got them to a cup final and play off final.

Out of 75 games with them he only lost 10.

He would be a massive appointment for us imo and is still young, giving him the motivation and enthusiasm to succeed and prove a point.

CathroMustStay
04-11-2019, 05:08 PM
ack Ross for me.

Successful with Alloa then took St Mirren from relegation candidates to getting them promoted and winning manager of the year.

Produced/gave a chance to good youth players with St Mirren - Mallan, Magennis, Morgan and Mcallister.

Great knowledge of Scottish football and knows how big a job hibs is and what we expect.

Sunderland was a near impossible challenge with fans still thinking they’re a premiership team. He got them to a cup final and play off final.

Out of 75 games with them he only lost 10.

He would be a massive appointment for us imo and is still young, giving him the motivation and enthusiasm to succeed and prove a point.

Ross = beloved at St Mirren.
Stubbs = catastrophic failure at St Mirren

Food for thought.

The Count
04-11-2019, 05:08 PM
Knows the Scottish scene and as a result of his experience at Sunderland will know the players playing between the 2nd and 4th tiers in England.
Has had 4 management jobs and is young and driven.
Importantly he is not Football Manager laptop guy like Hecky or Cathro.

He has an axe to grind with Hearts so where better to to give them a GIRUY than the Hibs job.
Wouldn't be surprised if they have been getting him teed up since the Hamilton game with Livingston match being the signal to light the touch paper.

All things considered I would be happy if Ross is appointed.

I agree with you 100% lets get it done before Saturday.Also remember Lennon failed at Bolton,McInnes at Bristol City.Mind you Levein failed at Leicester😂😂

Jamesconnolly
04-11-2019, 05:10 PM
Not very impressive with Sunderland. Big fat no from me.

RossScott1991
04-11-2019, 05:13 PM
I hear unai emery will be out a job soon...

Cat Stanton
04-11-2019, 05:13 PM
Indeed. I'm no expert, but I don't quite get all the negativity about him on here. I don't follow English football (is that where the negativity stems from?) but up here he seemed to have excelled at Alloa, which is why he got a move to St. Mirren, and he excelled there too.

ps from a St. Mirren fan: "Big fan of his. If you get him, you are onto a winner"

Diclonius
04-11-2019, 05:14 PM
Remember McInnes failed down south.

Lester B
04-11-2019, 05:19 PM
Not according to his mother when I asked her last Sunday.

Maybe he doesn't tell his mum everything. I know I don't :wink:

Bishop Hibee
04-11-2019, 05:21 PM
I’m not keen.

HIBERNIAN-0762
04-11-2019, 05:22 PM
Not for me, has no proven record anywhere.

WoreTheGreen
04-11-2019, 05:23 PM
Kittygate?

Am going to buy my wife dead heat it seems to do the trick

WoreTheGreen
04-11-2019, 05:23 PM
Deap

hibsbollah
04-11-2019, 05:24 PM
Remember McInnes failed down south.

The style of football thing is a concern for me. That seems to be a large part of the reason the Sunderland fans turned against him. Who knows how the gentle souls on here that demand '2 up top' will cope with 'one up top Ross' :greengrin

He'll have my support whatever.

jeffers
04-11-2019, 05:24 PM
Maybe he doesn't tell his mum everything. I know I don't :wink:

That is certainly true. Just can’t see him leaving a job where he is number 1, to become number 2 to a manager who was previously his number 2.

Lester B
04-11-2019, 05:25 PM
That is certainly true. Just can’t see him leaving a job where he is number 1, to become number 2 to a manager who was previously his number 2.

Good point well made :agree:

Cat Stanton
04-11-2019, 05:29 PM
Not for me, has no proven record anywhere.

Alloa and St. Mirren?

Weststandwanab
04-11-2019, 05:31 PM
Has he got a degree?

So have lots of us so what

Sioux
04-11-2019, 05:32 PM
If Jack Ross is as good as it gets, the baw is burst. He’ll be hounded out by the ‘support’ by end of season. We need better than that

easty
04-11-2019, 05:42 PM
If Jack Ross is as good as it gets, the baw is burst. He’ll be hounded out by the ‘support’ by end of season. We need better than that

The “support”?

You suggesting PH has been hounded out rather than found out?

Barney McGrew
04-11-2019, 05:45 PM
Again thecat has tweeted that he is hearing Jack Ross is already in place and will be new manager. Who knows

He takes more punts than your average Hertz central defender.

What was the last rumour he claimed as his own he actually got right again? :faf:

Silky
04-11-2019, 05:46 PM
If Jack Ross is as good as it gets, the baw is burst. He’ll be hounded out by the ‘support’ by end of season. We need better than that

Like who? It seems all the names mentioned are dividing the fans. All the names mentioned have the odd failure on the CV!. Who is there that is better? Do we really know, or is it all based on opinion?

Hibbyradge
04-11-2019, 05:46 PM
Deap

Deep

Hibbyradge
04-11-2019, 05:48 PM
So have lots of us so what

It was a Heckingbottom reference.

It was also a question, not a statement of fact.

Sioux
04-11-2019, 05:48 PM
The “support”?

You suggesting PH has been hounded out rather than found out?

Nope.

Sioux
04-11-2019, 05:50 PM
Like who? It seems all the names mentioned are dividing the fans. All the names mentioned have the odd failure on the CV!. Who is there that is better? Do we really know, or is it all based on opinion?

Are you suggesting that no one is better? than Ross or Robinson?

Since452
04-11-2019, 05:58 PM
I'd be very worried if we appointed Ross

JJP
04-11-2019, 06:18 PM
His St Mirren team were excellent.

Heisenberg
04-11-2019, 06:21 PM
His St Mirren team were excellent.

We’d have a good chance at getting Lewis Morgan in if it was Ross. He signed well at St Mirren but struggled badly before being able to get his own players.

Hibby Bairn
04-11-2019, 07:46 PM
Not for me, has no proven record anywhere.

Apart from winning the Championship with St Mirren and being named Manager of the year.

B.H.F.C
04-11-2019, 07:53 PM
Not totally against us getting Ross but not totally convinced either.

He only got sacked from a big job, for not being very good, a couple of weeks ago so that obviously gives me some doubts.

Cardinal G
04-11-2019, 07:58 PM
ack Ross for me.

Successful with Alloa then took St Mirren from relegation candidates to getting them promoted and winning manager of the year.

Produced/gave a chance to good youth players with St Mirren - Mallan, Magennis, Morgan and Mcallister.

Great knowledge of Scottish football and knows how big a job hibs is and what we expect.

Sunderland was a near impossible challenge with fans still thinking they’re a premiership team. He got them to a cup final and play off final.

Out of 75 games with them he only lost 10.

He would be a massive appointment for us imo and is still young, giving him the motivation and enthusiasm to succeed and prove a point.

As both a Hibs and Sunderland season ticket holder I have mixed views on Jack. Like most fans we wanted him to succeed but expectation coupled with budget put massive pressure on him, just feel that he was sacked not because of results but the manner of our performances under him, started brightly making positive substitions but this faded away and he struggled with ability to change games.

Gloucester Hibs
04-11-2019, 08:27 PM
I’d be happy with Jack Ross. Remember his St Mirren side - bottom of the championship at the time - beating us comfortably when we were top.

Unseen work
04-11-2019, 08:52 PM
I also think Jack would be very good within the current regime of being a head coach and working either the recruitment team. Can see them having very similar ideas of players to come in.

JimBHibees
04-11-2019, 08:53 PM
I think Ross would do well. Something to prove.

HibbyAndy
04-11-2019, 08:53 PM
I'd be well happy with Jack Ross

Sir David Gray
04-11-2019, 08:55 PM
I hope he gets it. I'd be very pleased with that appointment.

Diclonius
04-11-2019, 09:01 PM
If this does happen he'll amazingly be our first Scottish manager since Calderwood left eight years ago.

I was going to ask if he would also be our first manager from Falkirk, but then I remembered Turnbull!

Shrekko
04-11-2019, 09:02 PM
Think the mixed reactions prove it’s going to be impossible to please the majority of Hibs fans whatever appointment is made. There’s no realism about the market we operate in.

Jack Ross really has an excellent track record - Sunderland were an absolute shambles when he went there and there was some decent competition in that league despite all this ‘budgets’ stuff. He was a whisker away from getting them up first time.

Nicho87
04-11-2019, 09:09 PM
I’d be happy enough with Ross.
Happy with stubbs.
Just happy there will be a change really.

Ozyhibby
04-11-2019, 09:09 PM
People say they want experience but not with any sort of failure on their CV. I’m not sure we can afford that?


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Gordy M
04-11-2019, 09:10 PM
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ross-out-brigade.1491711/

Sunderland fans opinions on JR.........not great.

CloudSquall
04-11-2019, 09:12 PM
Sunderland is one of those jobs you shouldn't touch with a barge pole, I'm prepared to look beyond his stint there.

He'll also be motivated to high heavens to prove his time at Sunderland was an outlier in his career, I'm someone that would prefer an out the box "exotic" choice but I'd be happy enough with Ross.

The 90+2
04-11-2019, 09:14 PM
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ross-out-brigade.1491711/

Sunderland fans opinions on JR.........not great.

They will have the same opinion of David Moyes, Sam Allardyce, basically anyone that isn’t Peter Reid and even they wanted him sacked.

I’m sure if you read a Bristol City forum they would say like for like about McInnes, Oldham Steve Robinson, loads of clubs Stevie Clarke.

bingo70
04-11-2019, 09:15 PM
Sunderland is one of those jobs you shouldn't touch with a barge pole, I'm prepared to look beyond his stint there.

He'll also be motivated to high heavens to prove his time at Sunderland was an outlier in his career, I'm someone that would prefer an out the box "exotic" choice but I'd be happy enough with Ross.

Fair points.

The thought of Jack Ross depresses me a bit to be honest but you’re hopefully right about having a point to prove, he’s also presumably learned quite a lot from working there.

The 90+2
04-11-2019, 09:17 PM
Fair points.

The thought of Jack Ross depresses me a bit to be honest but you’re hopefully right about having a point to prove, he’s also presumably learned quite a lot from working there.

I’m not sure why? He had Alloa and then St Mirren absolutely flying. To be completely honest I’ve got in my gut he will go to some other club and do amazing and we will sit wishing we appointed him, a larger scale version of Shankland just now.

With Sunderland I don’t think his recruitment down south was good enough - irony has it we’ve had the mirror image up here with Heckingottom.

Unseen work
04-11-2019, 09:17 PM
People say they want experience but not with any sort of failure on their CV. I’m not sure we can afford that?


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It’s crazy isn’t it. Very few managers haven’t ‘failed’ somewhere.

His record at Sunderland is nowhere near as bad as folk made out and they’re still a bit of a mess imo. Chris McGuire is one of their best players for god sake:greengrin

The 90+2
04-11-2019, 09:19 PM
It’s crazy isn’t it. Very few managers haven’t ‘failed’ somewhere.

His record at Sunderland is nowhere near as bad as folk made out and they’re still a bit of a mess imo. Chris McGuire is one of their best players for god sake:greengrin

He did sign that huddy that scored a worldy against us to play in their defence though.

B.H.F.C
04-11-2019, 09:20 PM
Fair points.

The thought of Jack Ross depresses me a bit to be honest but you’re hopefully right about having a point to prove, he’s also presumably learned quite a lot from working there.

I wouldn’t go as far as to say it depresses me. But it doesn’t excite me.

I can’t put my finger on why, there is just something about it.

Leith Green
04-11-2019, 09:20 PM
He looks about as good as what we can realistically get. Yes Sunderland didnt work out , but he did well up here prior to that. He will get the club , and his knowledge of Scottish football will be excellent. He will probably have learned from his time at sunderland.

Jim44
04-11-2019, 09:20 PM
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ross-out-brigade.1491711/

Sunderland fans opinions on JR.........not great.

Let’s face it, very few managers leave a job with the fans singing their praises.

Gordy M
04-11-2019, 09:21 PM
They will have the same opinion of David Moyes, Sam Allardyce, basically anyone that isn’t Peter Reid and even they wanted him sacked.

I’m sure if you read a Bristol City forum they would say like for like about McInnes, Oldham Steve Robinson, loads of clubs Stevie Clarke.

If Jack Ross is appointed then il happily back him and hope he does a good job, the good thing is we wouldnt have to pay any other club for his services which is a bonus. My worry is, that his style at Sunderland was extremely negative, the exact same as we have been under PH.

IberianHibernian
04-11-2019, 09:21 PM
Not suggesting Danny Lennon would be my choice for new Hibernian manager but he was also successful at St Mirren ( won League Cup ) playing good football ( essential for a Hibs manager ) and is doing well at Clyde and is a Hibs man . Would be disappointed if Ross is appointed unless club really think after an exhaustive recruitment policy and interviewing several candidates there`s no one better .

bingo70
04-11-2019, 09:21 PM
I’m not sure why? He had Alloa and then St Mirren absolutely flying. To be completely honest I’ve got in my gut he will go to some other club and do amazing and we will sit wishing we appointed him, a larger scale version of Shankland just now.

With Sunderland I don’t think his recruitment down south was good enough - irony has it we’ve had the mirror image up here with Heckingottom.

Style of football at Sunderland was meant to be terrible.

I also worry his success at St Mirren happened to coincide with Lewis Morgan coming through, he had an unbelievable season that year IIRC and I wonder if St Mirren we’re so successful because of Ross or Morgan. I do recognise though that Ross deserves credit for getting the most out of Morgan.

Having a good season at Alloa doesn’t really mean anything to me to be honest, don’t think it’ll really bare any resemblance to the job he’d need to do at Hibs.

CRAZYHIBBY
04-11-2019, 09:33 PM
Jack ross will go to hearts then he will continue to go for every player we are linked with

Smartie
04-11-2019, 09:42 PM
Sunderland is one of those jobs you shouldn't touch with a barge pole, I'm prepared to look beyond his stint there.

He'll also be motivated to high heavens to prove his time at Sunderland was an outlier in his career, I'm someone that would prefer an out the box "exotic" choice but I'd be happy enough with Ross.

He had 3 transfer windows to make his mark on the Sunderland squad and they had patience enough to let him start this season.

Wycombe are top of that league, Fleetwood Town, Oxford United and Peterborough are above them.

He didn't do well enough with them and deserved to be sacked.

I'm not writing him off as a manager off the back of that but if we appoint him we can look forward to more of the same that we've had from Heckingbottom in the short term. It remains to be seen whether or not it will get better in the middle to long term.

theonlywayisup
04-11-2019, 09:43 PM
Jeezo! He's not even joined and already the fans opinions are divided.

Is there anyone that can unite the fans?

Smartie
04-11-2019, 09:44 PM
He looks about as good as what we can realistically get. Yes Sunderland didnt work out , but he did well up here prior to that. He will get the club , and his knowledge of Scottish football will be excellent. He will probably have learned from his time at sunderland.

Not to be sniffed at, probably the best reason I can think of for us to appoint him.

Greenworld
04-11-2019, 09:53 PM
Not for me got slaughtered for the teams dire style of play

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EVENTUALLY
04-11-2019, 09:53 PM
Not to be sniffed at, probably the best reason I can think of for us to appoint him.

No Compo will be very appealing to the board.

500miles
04-11-2019, 09:57 PM
If Jack Ross is rubbish for failing at Sunderland, then Dylan McGeouch must be rubbish too?

Winston Ingram
04-11-2019, 10:02 PM
Genuinely astonished people want Steve Robinson.

3 years at Motherwell and never finished in the top 6.

He took them to 2 cup finals but cup finals are a lottery. Craig Levein got to 1 and took them to the brink of 2 others.

The only real positive for him is that he’s had a good start to the season, and their current decent league position is likely influenced by the shambles in Edinburgh.

Squirrel 1875
04-11-2019, 10:04 PM
Would be an excellent appointment. You’d struggle to attract anyone that doesn’t have a black mark on their record. Jack Ross had a tough one at Sunderland, but I’d give him the benefit of the doubt with what appears to be a toxic club.

The work he done at Alloa and St Mirren makes him an excellent candidate. Without doubt I’d back him to get it right on the signing and tactical fronts.

Potty78
04-11-2019, 10:07 PM
If he can bring Dylan and McNulty back then yes from me, not sure about Ross but whoever gets it needs the fans right behind them from the off.

Squirrel 1875
04-11-2019, 10:16 PM
Jeezo! He's not even joined and already the fans opinions are divided.

Is there anyone that can unite the fans?

Unfortunately, I don’t think anyone would. Everyone has their own opinion, it is unfortunate that many choose to state these opinions as facts.

Ross, in my opinion, would do well for hibs. He is the standout candidate. He knows the club, hates Hearts and has a track record.

Smartie
04-11-2019, 10:29 PM
Jeezo! He's not even joined and already the fans opinions are divided.

Is there anyone that can unite the fans?

My own personal opinion is divided.

Can't make my mind up about him.

vuefrom1875
04-11-2019, 10:30 PM
Jack ross will go to hearts then he will continue to go for every player we are linked with

Incorrect....he's a shoe in,unvailed on Thursday. You heard it here first 😎........p.s.burnt his bridges at Tynecastle with his off field activities (know what I mean)😁

Vault Boy
04-11-2019, 10:39 PM
I like Jack Ross, I think he presents himself well and he's clearly got a wealth of knowledge about the Scottish game.

My main concern if we were to go for him would be style of play, but something tells me his approach at St Mirren and Sunderland respectively wouldn't necessarily reflect how he'd want his Hibs side to play.

He's had success with counter-attacking, compact and well organised tactics, I wonder how he'd do with a team whose fans will expect them to dominate most games in terms of possession.

Regardless, he's definitely a strong candidate and I'm sure we'll be looking at him as a serious contender.

Danderhall Hibs
04-11-2019, 11:02 PM
People say they want experience but not with any sort of failure on their CV. I’m not sure we can afford that?


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We couldn’t afford it cos I’m not sure it exists? Maybe Pep?

Irish-Hibee
04-11-2019, 11:11 PM
I don't buy into this "he failed at Sunderland" talk. Everyone has failed at Sunderland since they were relegated from the Premier league. Also there's not many managers around that haven't failed at at least one club. Even Klopp failed at Mainz.

What would be more of a concern is his style of play. Which admittedly only going from what others say, isn't great

hibeejeebies
04-11-2019, 11:14 PM
Has he got a degree?

😂

The Wireless
04-11-2019, 11:17 PM
Jack Ross at Easter Road could be an excellent move for both parties.

The Wireless
04-11-2019, 11:20 PM
Apart from winning the Championship with St Mirren and being named Manager of the year.

Helped progress Dumbarton, Alloa & St Mirren and would have learned an awful lot down at Sunderland.

WellingtonHibby
04-11-2019, 11:22 PM
Incorrect....he's a shoe in,unvailed on Thursday. You heard it here first 😎........p.s.burnt his bridges at Tynecastle with his off field activities (know what I mean)😁

No. Not at all

I'm Spartacus
04-11-2019, 11:25 PM
Jeezo! He's not even joined and already the fans opinions are divided.

Is there anyone that can unite the fans?

Strachan?

DetroitHibs
04-11-2019, 11:52 PM
I'd love to see a list of the players he bought while at St Mirren. Just get an idea of his eye for a player.

CMurdoch
04-11-2019, 11:53 PM
Ian Murray as assistant. Was lined up a couple of weeks ago. Allegedly of course.

Ex Kilmarnock player James Fowler (apparently at the Livingston game) was his assistant at Sunderland so you would expect that to be repeated if Ross signs on at Easter Rd

Squealing pig
04-11-2019, 11:59 PM
Neither for or against the idea of Ross as manager , prefer someone else tbh

Ozyhibby
05-11-2019, 12:20 AM
We couldn’t afford it cos I’m not sure it exists? Maybe Pep?

And Pep’s never far from a cheque book. He’s never not had the biggest budget in the country he’s working in. Maybe at Barca but then he had the best players in the world already there.


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Unseen work
05-11-2019, 01:00 AM
https://youtu.be/5XVFXICJO0w - Part 1

https://youtu.be/StbrXCqXl7Q - part 2

Good interview with him here that gives more of an insight as to what he is like.

Comes across really well imo.

Unseen work
05-11-2019, 01:06 AM
I'd love to see a list of the players he bought while at St Mirren. Just get an idea of his eye for a player.

By the looks of things he is big on signing leaders, a lot of players that have been captains at their previous teams. Couple of signings he got were

Stephen McGinn
Adam Eckersley
Cammy Smith
Gavin Reilly
Stelios Demetriou
Ryan Flynn
Craig Samson
Ian McShane
Darryl Duffy
Danny Mullen

FilipinoHibs
05-11-2019, 01:25 AM
Record at Sunderland not too bad. Had a 52% win ratio losing only 10 in 75. Finished one place outside playoffs and was close again this season.

DetroitHibs
05-11-2019, 04:39 AM
By the looks of things he is big on signing leaders, a lot of players that have been captains at their previous teams. Couple of signings he got were

Stephen McGinn
Adam Eckersley
Cammy Smith
Gavin Reilly
Stelios Demetriou
Ryan Flynn
Craig Samson
Ian McShane
Darryl Duffy
Danny Mullen

Exactly what our team is devoid off, leaders.

gorgie greens
05-11-2019, 06:37 AM
Not for me due to his style of hoofball , then again I do not know who I do want either.
Ron might want someone from over the pond ,but seeing that he is taking a back seat it might not happen but will he trust LD in making the appointment?

Stuart93
05-11-2019, 06:43 AM
Not for me due to his style of hoofball , then again I do not know who I do want either.
Ron might want someone from over the pond ,but seeing that he is taking a back seat it might not happen but will he trust LD in making the appointment?

Is hoofball his style? I remember his st mirren playing some really good stuff against us in our last season in the championship.

Since452
05-11-2019, 06:46 AM
Is hoofball his style? I remember his st mirren playing some really good stuff against us in our last season in the championship.

They played Neil Lennons Hibs off the park at Easter Road on the last day of the season. He didn't seem to take that style to Sunderland where he was slated relentlessly by their fans for the long ball. Wonder if he had the same back room team there.

JimBHibees
05-11-2019, 06:48 AM
They played Neil Lennons Hibs off the park at Easter Road on the last day of the season. He didn't seem to take that style to Sunderland where he was slated relentlessly by their fans for the long ball. Wonder if he had the same back room team there.

Played them off the park is stretching it a bit but they did play well.

s2hart
05-11-2019, 07:37 AM
Just listening to the sportsound podcast from yesterday and the way Michael Stewart was talking about Ross, gave me the impression that it's a goer!

Whoever comes in have a job on their hands to survive until the January window!

Brooster
05-11-2019, 07:41 AM
Jack Ross's time at Sunderland = Paul Higgenbottom's time at Hibs. Been to a few Sunderland games in the last 2 seasons and follow their progress with interest. The tactics, inability to turn leads in to wins, poor game management, fan unrest and post match interviews are all too familiar. Appointing Jack would be a big risk.

FilipinoHibs
05-11-2019, 08:08 AM
Jack Ross's time at Sunderland = Paul Higgenbottom's time at Hibs. Been to a few Sunderland games in the last 2 seasons and follow their progress with interest. The tactics, inability to turn leads in to wins, poor game management, fan unrest and post match interviews are all too familiar. Appointing Jack would be a big risk.

52% win ratio at Sunderland and only 10 losses in 75 games - 5 a season. We would all take that at ER.

KeithTheHibby
05-11-2019, 08:16 AM
Record at Sunderland not too bad. Had a 52% win ratio losing only 10 in 75. Finished one place outside playoffs and was close again this season.

I thought they lost in the play off final?

Allant1981
05-11-2019, 08:16 AM
52% win ratio at Sunderland and only 10 losses in 75 games - 5 a season. We would all take that at ER.

27 draws though, he doesnt have many wins. But you could pick at stats all day long to suit different opinions on who we should get, heckingbottom only lost 9 in 32 games with us and folk were desperate to get rid

Allant1981
05-11-2019, 08:17 AM
I thought they lost in the play off final?

Yip, lost to Charlton I think

jeffers
05-11-2019, 08:28 AM
Pity season two of Sunderland 'Til I Die isn't out yet, be good to see Jack Ross up close on that.

04Sauzee
05-11-2019, 08:34 AM
Played them off the park is stretching it a bit but they did play well.

Think the best thing about that game was the atmosphere, St Mirren fans were really up for it that day. Sure its this game here, and here's the stats.

The Harp Awakes
05-11-2019, 08:38 AM
Jack Ross's time at Sunderland = Paul Higgenbottom's time at Hibs. Been to a few Sunderland games in the last 2 seasons and follow their progress with interest. The tactics, inability to turn leads in to wins, poor game management, fan unrest and post match interviews are all too familiar. Appointing Jack would be a big risk.

Pretty much as I see it. Could be good but don't know enough about him to be confident. Risky appointment with probably a 50/50 chance of being a success. Not sure we should be taking that risk right now. We need a tried and tested manager to hit the ground running.

Strachan, would be a safer option even on a short term contract to the end of the season.

Chefki Kuqi
05-11-2019, 08:39 AM
Pity season two of Sunderland 'Til I Die isn't out yet, be good to see Jack Ross up close on that.

I mean we saw Robbie Stockdale in season 1 and we didn’t gleam anything from that.

Smartie
05-11-2019, 08:40 AM
Record at Sunderland not too bad. Had a 52% win ratio losing only 10 in 75. Finished one place outside playoffs and was close again this season.

Do we want a manager who draws most of his games and then nearly finishes inside the top 6?

Lennon gets grief on here for not winning the championship with enough style but at least he got the job done. He had one job, get promoted, and he succeeded.

Ross had one job, he failed, and looked like he was going to fail again so was deservedly punted.

California-Hibs
05-11-2019, 08:41 AM
Just listening to the sportsound podcast from yesterday and the way Michael Stewart was talking about Ross, gave me the impression that it's a goer!

Whoever comes in have a job on their hands to survive until the January window!

Funny enough I just finished listened to the Sportsound podcast and picked up on the exact same thing. He slips and says 'I think Jack Ross will get the opportunity at one of those clubs. I think he wants to play football the right way, Hibs have a tradition of wanting to play good football and I think Jack is suited to that, but he has to get to January to get some vital positions filled. He needs to get that centre of midfield sorted because Hibs are far too soft to play against.'

Its especially the way he worded the last part. Of course it could be nothing..

FilipinoHibs
05-11-2019, 08:45 AM
Do we want a manager who draws most of his games and then nearly finishes inside the top 6?

Lennon gets grief on here for not winning the championship with enough style but at least he got the job done. He had one job, get promoted, and he succeeded.

Ross had one job, he failed, and looked like he was going to fail again so was deservedly punted.

Lennon had a worse win and loss ratio at Hibs and drew more matches than Ross at Sunderland.

Unseen work
05-11-2019, 08:50 AM
Do we want a manager who draws most of his games and then nearly finishes inside the top 6?

Lennon gets grief on here for not winning the championship with enough style but at least he got the job done. He had one job, get promoted, and he succeeded.

Ross had one job, he failed, and looked like he was going to fail again so was deservedly punted.

What was Lennons job at Bolton? Or his second season in the top flight when we were 8th? Failure?

What was Jack Ross’ job at Alloa and St Mirren? Keep them up and then won the league the following year?

What was Stubbs job here? Promotion? So he failed too?

Honestly this is getting ridiculous now, every manager we will realistically be linked with will have ‘failed” at a team.

People are wanting Moyes and Strachan who haven’t been successful in about 10 years.

GonzoReturns
05-11-2019, 09:00 AM
What was Lennons job at Bolton? Or his second season in the top flight when we were 8th? Failure?

What was Jack Ross’ job at Alloa and St Mirren? Keep them up and then won the league the following year?

What was Stubbs job here? Promotion? So he failed too?

Honestly this is getting ridiculous now, every manager we will realistically be linked with will have ‘failed” at a team.

People are wanting Moyes and Strachan who haven’t been successful in about 10 years.

This 100%

Since452
05-11-2019, 09:11 AM
What was Lennons job at Bolton? Or his second season in the top flight when we were 8th? Failure?

What was Jack Ross’ job at Alloa and St Mirren? Keep them up and then won the league the following year?

What was Stubbs job here? Promotion? So he failed too?

Honestly this is getting ridiculous now, every manager we will realistically be linked with will have ‘failed” at a team.

People are wanting Moyes and Strachan who haven’t been successful in about 10 years.

I agree. You could pick fault in any manager a club of our size are linked with. Anyone linked with Hibs/Hearts will have failed somewhere unless they're an upcoming manager from a small team. The Hibs job moght be too big for Robinson, who knows? He might be a revelation. Unfortunately no-one has a crystal ball. Jack Ross might be a McInness type and have us punching, Roy Keane might galvanize the whole club and have us fearing no-one. They could equally both fall flat on their faces. Whoever we bring in is a gamble.

Brooster
05-11-2019, 09:11 AM
52% win ratio at Sunderland and only 10 losses in 75 games - 5 a season. We would all take that at ER.

He was playing against Southend, Lincoln, Rochdale Gillingham etc. He failed with massive resources and was 7th or so behind the likes of Peterborough when he was sacked. He'd be a risk all right.

s2hart
05-11-2019, 09:13 AM
Funny enough I just finished listened to the Sportsound podcast and picked up on the exact same thing. He slips and says 'I think Jack Ross will get the opportunity at one of those clubs. I think he wants to play football the right way, Hibs have a tradition of wanting to play good football and I think Jack is suited to that, but he has to get to January to get some vital positions filled. He needs to get that centre of midfield sorted because Hibs are far too soft to play against.'

Its especially the way he worded the last part. Of course it could be nothing..

Not just me then that thought it! Yeah could be nothing.

Since452
05-11-2019, 09:15 AM
52% win ratio at Sunderland and only 10 losses in 75 games - 5 a season. We would all take that at ER.

Thats a bit like us being happy with that kind of record against Alloa and Cowdenbeath

Heisenberg
05-11-2019, 09:22 AM
Thats a bit like us being happy with that kind of record against Alloa and Cowdenbeath

Neil Lennon had an identical win % for us in the Scottish Championship up against Raith Rovers and Ayr United. He did ok for us in the top league.

Most managers have poor spells at clubs on their CV. Neil Lennon and Paul Heckingottom certainly did and I’m guessing whoever we get next will have as well.

Lee Marvin
05-11-2019, 09:27 AM
He was playing against Southend, Lincoln, Rochdale Gillingham etc. He failed with massive resources and was 7th or so behind the likes of Peterborough when he was sacked. He'd be a risk all right.

Name one realistic manager who has not failed and would not be a risk?

You cant, they dobt exist at our level

worcesterhibby
05-11-2019, 09:36 AM
https://youtu.be/5XVFXICJO0w - Part 1

https://youtu.be/StbrXCqXl7Q - part 2

Good interview with him here that gives more of an insight as to what he is like.

Comes across really well imo.

Thanks for the links...the second one in particular is very interesting as he is pretty much describibng the situation that he would be in if he came to Hibs as manager now.

Mainstandman
05-11-2019, 09:41 AM
He was playing against Southend, Lincoln, Rochdale Gillingham etc. He failed with massive resources and was 7th or so behind the likes of Peterborough when he was sacked. He'd be a risk all right.

But did he really have massive resources. Yes the club have the biggest wage bill in that league but that was mostly due to legacy contracts, they are paying 2.3M to players who have left. He's had to bring in players on less money to balance the books and been stuck with high wage earners who wouldn't leave.

McKenzie
05-11-2019, 09:51 AM
Name one realistic manager who has not failed and would not be a risk?

You cant, they dobt exist at our level

They don’t exist at any level. Every managerial appointment is a risk. Name one who gives instant good impact at any level?

FilipinoHibs
05-11-2019, 10:04 AM
But did he really have massive resources. Yes the club have the biggest wage bill in that league but that was mostly due to legacy contracts, they are paying 2.3M to players who have left. He's had to bring in players on less money to balance the books and been stuck with high wage earners who wouldn't leave.

I think Lennon's Hibs budget relatively dwarfed Sunderland's when were in the Championship. We only had 9 teams to play against but only secured promotion near the end of the season.

Ozyhibby
05-11-2019, 10:17 AM
He was playing against Southend, Lincoln, Rochdale Gillingham etc. He failed with massive resources and was 7th or so behind the likes of Peterborough when he was sacked. He'd be a risk all right.

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scoopyboy
05-11-2019, 10:27 AM
Is the fascination with Jack Ross purely because he is available and we wouldn't have to pay a compensation fee?

I will give him my support as I'm sure all Hibs fans will if he is appointed but I would rather we got someone else.

If he was still employed at Sunderland we wouldn't be going for him.

Greenworld
05-11-2019, 10:33 AM
Thanks for the links...the second one in particular is very interesting as he is pretty much describibng the situation that he would be in if he came to Hibs as manager now.Yup that's what thought to

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The 90+2
05-11-2019, 10:34 AM
Is the fascination with Jack Ross purely because he is available and we wouldn't have to pay a compensation fee?

I will give him my support as I'm sure all Hibs fans will if he is appointed but I would rather we got someone else.

If he was still employed at Sunderland we wouldn't be going for him. .

If he was still employed by Sunderland we couldn’t afford him. It’s perfect timing.

Smartie
05-11-2019, 10:39 AM
I think Lennon's Hibs budget relatively dwarfed Sunderland's when were in the Championship. We only had 9 teams to play against but only secured promotion near the end of the season.

If only Sunderland has “only” secured promotion near the end of the season.

Or even started this season looking like they were more likely to.

B.H.F.C
05-11-2019, 10:40 AM
If he was still employed by Sunderland we couldn’t afford him. It’s perfect timing.

And if he was as good as is being made out he’d still be employed.

I’m not totally for or against him getting it. There is just something nagging me about us appointing him.

Smartie
05-11-2019, 10:43 AM
And if he was as good as is being made out he’d still be employed.

I’m not totally for or against him getting it. There is just something nagging me about us appointing him.

That’s where I am.

Not totally against the idea but at interview stage I’d be looking for an explanation regarding what went wrong at Sunderland.

And if he considers his time there to be a success then I’d be moving in to the next candidate.

The 90+2
05-11-2019, 10:51 AM
And if he was as good as is being made out he’d still be employed.

I’m not totally for or against him getting it. There is just something nagging me about us appointing him.

Managers do fail at clubs sometimes though. We wouldn’t have gotten Lennon if he didn’t fail at Bolton.

Fair enough, I’m the opposite, there’s something nagging me that if we doing appoint him someone else in our top flight will and he will be a resounding success and unaffordable again in the future.

Jim44
05-11-2019, 10:52 AM
That’s where I am.

Not totally against the idea but at interview stage I’d be looking for an explanation regarding what went wrong at Sunderland.

And if he considers his time there to be a success then I’d be moving in to the next candidate.

:agree: I think that, given that a large proportion of interviewees will have left their last job for lack of success, this would always be one of the questions they would expect and be well equipped and prepared to answer.

FilipinoHibs
05-11-2019, 10:56 AM
If only Sunderland has “only” secured promotion near the end of the season.

Or even started this season looking like they were more likely to.

They were just outside in both situations of being in the play offs in a league twice the size of our championship. I know Sunderland fans and according to them the fan base was split on Ross.

Gordy M
05-11-2019, 10:57 AM
For me the plus points are that we wouldnt have to pay comp to another club, and he knows the Scottish game. The negatives are the style of football at Sunderland and the failure to get them up.

scoopyboy
05-11-2019, 11:03 AM
If he was still employed by Sunderland we couldn’t afford him. It’s perfect timing.

It's only perfect timing because he's been sacked for being incompetent.

In other words if he wasn't unemployed we wouldn't be going for him.

Raking about the buckets again.

bingo70
05-11-2019, 11:05 AM
For me the plus points are that we wouldnt have to pay comp to another club, and he knows the Scottish game. The negatives are the style of football at Sunderland and the failure to get them up.

To me those negatives far outweigh the positives.

If he gets the job then fine, he must have a good reputation for something so hopefully he’d be a success, wouldn’t be a particularly exciting appointment in my book though.

Feels quite a lazy appointment if we go down that route.

Blaster
05-11-2019, 11:08 AM
It's only perfect timing because he's been sacked for being incompetent.

In other words if he wasn't unemployed we wouldn't be going for him.

Raking about the buckets again.

Do you have anyone in mind that’s currently in a job? Robinson is the main one I can think of. Most of the others we’re being linked with are out of a job I think.

I thought butcher was going to be a good appointment so I’m not giving my opinion on who should get it 😂😂

scoopyboy
05-11-2019, 11:16 AM
Do you have anyone in mind that’s currently in a job? Robinson is the main one I can think of. Most of the others we’re being linked with are out of a job I think.

I thought butcher was going to be a good appointment so I’m not giving my opinion on who should get it 😂😂

I thought Butcher was as well.

Picking Ross is an easy appointment but for me Hibs should be looking to appoint a person that they have identified after looking around for a while. In all honesty they should have been looking around for months as they knew this was coming.

It might not be Jack Ross and I may be doing Hibs a disservice, time will tell.

If we had got rid off PH a month ago we wouldn't be discussing JR.

I haven't a clue who I would want, but then again it's not my job. :greengrin

Pretty Boy
05-11-2019, 11:16 AM
Are Hibs ever in a position to employ a manger without question marks against them?

In recent times:

Mowbray - Inexperienced
Collins - Inexperienced
Mixu - Experience limited to the lower leagues and Finnish league
Hughes - Experience with Falkirk, good season and bad seasons
Calderwood - Experienced. Successful at Northampton, early success at Forest before being sacked
Fenlon - Successful in Ireland. Big step up
Butcher - Relative success at ICT, many more failures on his CV
Stubbs - Inexperienced
Lennon - Success at Celtic, faiulure at Bolton. Mitigating circumstances
Heckingbottom - Some success at Barnsley, failure at Leeds. Mitigating cuircumstances?
Ross - Decent at Alloa, success at St Mirren, failure at Sunderland. Mitigating circumstances?

The point is we are unlikely to be in the market for the complete package. Is anyone at our level in the financial pecking order? We are either taking a punt on an inexperienced guy who might be an up and comer or someone who has a questionable record at a club and is looking to rebuild.Apparently Robinson at Motherwell would be 'showing ambition' but he was a flop at Oldham and has failed to get Motherwell into the top 6. Guys like Clarke and Wright have achieved that working at about the same level financially. I'm not saying he would be a bad choice but there is as many question marks there as there is with Ross; paying compensation doesn't alter that fact.

scoopyboy
05-11-2019, 11:36 AM
Are Hibs ever in a position to employ a manger without question marks against them?

In recent times:

Mowbray - Inexperienced
Collins - Inexperienced
Mixu - Experience limited to the lower leagues and Finnish league
Hughes - Experience with Falkirk, good season and bad seasons
Calderwood - Experienced. Successful at Northampton, early success at Forest before being sacked
Fenlon - Successful in Ireland. Big step up
Butcher - Relative success at ICT, many more failures on his CV
Stubbs - Inexperienced
Lennon - Success at Celtic, faiulure at Bolton. Mitigating circumstances
Heckingbottom - Some success at Barnsley, failure at Leeds. Mitigating cuircumstances?
Ross - Decent at Alloa, success at St Mirren, failure at Sunderland. Mitigating circumstances?

The point is we are unlikely to be in the market for the complete package. Is anyone at our level in the financial pecking order? We are either taking a punt on an inexperienced guy who might be an up and comer or someone who has a questionable record at a club and is looking to rebuild.Apparently Robinson at Motherwell would be 'showing ambition' but he was a flop at Oldham and has failed to get Motherwell into the top 6. Guys like Clarke and Wright have achieved that working at about the same level financially. I'm not saying he would be a bad choice but there is as many question marks there as there is with Ross; paying compensation doesn't alter that fact.

Eddie Turnbull :greengrin. Had won the Scottish Cup with Aberdeen when we went in for him. Other than him then I can't come up with another.

It's not an easy task and no guarantee of success.

FilipinoHibs
05-11-2019, 11:41 AM
Eddie Turnbull :greengrin. Had won the Scottish Cup with Aberdeen when we went in for him. Other than him then I can't come up with another.

It's not an easy task and no guarantee of success.

Mcleish had good record at Motherwell

scoopyboy
05-11-2019, 11:44 AM
Mcleish had good record at Motherwell

Agreed, I forgot about him.

04Sauzee
05-11-2019, 12:30 PM
Mcleish had good record at Motherwell

Not really lost 63 games out of the 156 games he was in charge , Robinson has lost 48 games out of the 125 games in charge. Robinson's win ratio is much better.

And that's not me wanting Robinson for the Head coaches roll

FilipinoHibs
05-11-2019, 12:47 PM
Not really lost 63 games out of the 156 games he was in charge , Robinson has lost 48 games out of the 125 games in charge. Robinson's win ratio is much better.

And that's not me wanting Robinson for the Head coaches roll

That is 40% versus 38% loss ratio. Not much difference.

The 90+2
05-11-2019, 12:53 PM
Bobby Williamson done a great job at Killie.

The 90+2
05-11-2019, 12:57 PM
It's only perfect timing because he's been sacked for being incompetent.

In other words if he wasn't unemployed we wouldn't be going for him.

Raking about the buckets again.

I would like to have thought he was in the mind our mind when doing a great job at St Mirren but we couldn’t exactly sack Lennon to bring him in. Then when Lennon left he was already in a job.

I don’t think his appointment would be raking about the buckets - I think it would be an ambitious appointment like McInness was for Aberdeen, Ross has recently been sacked so I don’t think he would want to risk further damaging his reputation at a club of our size if he wasn’t given assurances of some sort that he will be backed sufficiently to climb the table.

Hibiza
05-11-2019, 12:57 PM
Not for me.

Smartie
05-11-2019, 12:57 PM
Are Hibs ever in a position to employ a manger without question marks against them?

In recent times:

Mowbray - Inexperienced
Collins - Inexperienced
Mixu - Experience limited to the lower leagues and Finnish league
Hughes - Experience with Falkirk, good season and bad seasons
Calderwood - Experienced. Successful at Northampton, early success at Forest before being sacked
Fenlon - Successful in Ireland. Big step up
Butcher - Relative success at ICT, many more failures on his CV
Stubbs - Inexperienced
Lennon - Success at Celtic, faiulure at Bolton. Mitigating circumstances
Heckingbottom - Some success at Barnsley, failure at Leeds. Mitigating cuircumstances?
Ross - Decent at Alloa, success at St Mirren, failure at Sunderland. Mitigating circumstances?

The point is we are unlikely to be in the market for the complete package. Is anyone at our level in the financial pecking order? We are either taking a punt on an inexperienced guy who might be an up and comer or someone who has a questionable record at a club and is looking to rebuild.Apparently Robinson at Motherwell would be 'showing ambition' but he was a flop at Oldham and has failed to get Motherwell into the top 6. Guys like Clarke and Wright have achieved that working at about the same level financially. I'm not saying he would be a bad choice but there is as many question marks there as there is with Ross; paying compensation doesn't alter that fact.

Everything there points towards giving it to an "inexperienced" man.

TBH these are my favourite appointments. Served an apprenticeship doing coaching at a big English club, has maybe played in Scotland at some point in the career and is at the right stage to get a job in their own right. They're probably more likely to be happy to fit within our "recruitment" structure and less likely to think they know better due to their lower league experience down South.

blackpoolhibs
05-11-2019, 01:04 PM
I have no idea who we will appoint, but if its Ross, i'm sure we would have been happy with him if he'd been appointed before the Sunderland job.

As others have said, the type of manager we will appoint will probably have some sort of failure on his record.

04Sauzee
05-11-2019, 01:06 PM
That is 40% versus 38% loss ratio. Not much difference.

Win ratio 46.4 vs 30.8 huge difference

Smartie
05-11-2019, 01:07 PM
I have no idea who we will appoint, but if its Ross, i'm sure we would have been happy with him if he'd been appointed before the Sunderland job.

As others have said, the type of manager we will appoint will probably have some sort of failure on his record.

I think I'd rather have a manager who had experienced failure and learned from it than someone who had never known adversity.

I'm Spartacus
05-11-2019, 01:15 PM
Man U can't even get it right and they've spent about a billion pounds!

blackpoolhibs
05-11-2019, 01:19 PM
I think I'd rather have a manager who had experienced failure and learned from it than someone who had never known adversity.

Good point.

ancient hibee
05-11-2019, 05:30 PM
Eddie Turnbull :greengrin. Had won the Scottish Cup with Aberdeen when we went in for him. Other than him then I can't come up with another.

It's not an easy task and no guarantee of success.

Try Jock Stein and Bob Shankly.

scoopyboy
05-11-2019, 06:04 PM
Try Jock Stein and Bob Shankly.

Just before my time, both however beyond argument.

thegaffer12
05-11-2019, 06:26 PM
Neil Lennon failed at Bolton. Surely that's an appropriate comparison?

Brooster
05-11-2019, 06:30 PM
Neil Lennon failed at Bolton. Surely that's an appropriate comparison?

Lennon had no cash. Ross had lots.

Allant1981
05-11-2019, 06:40 PM
Lennon had no cash. Ross had lots.

Why were almost all his signings either free transfers or loans then?

Since452
05-11-2019, 06:41 PM
Ross certainly didn't get the best out of our player of the season McGeouch. Don't think he got the best out many of the Sunderland players

eezyrider
05-11-2019, 07:06 PM
Lennon had no cash. Ross had lots.

Jack Ross didn't have lots of cash -as can be seen from his lack of big money signings. Much of this myth is assumed because Sunderland is such a big club. When he was with Sunderland he had little money and relied on free transfers and loan signings.
Investment was promised but didn't materialise until after he left. He also had to try and replace the likes of Lee Cattermole, Bryan Oviedo and George Honeyman.

Despite that his record at Sunderland was :

Played - 75
Won - 38
Drawn - 27
Lost - 10
Win % - 50.67

EZ

Brooster
05-11-2019, 07:20 PM
Jack Ross didn't have lots of cash -as can be seen from his lack of big money signings. Much of this myth is assumed because Sunderland is such a big club. When he was with Sunderland he had little money and relied on free transfers and loan signings.
Investment was promised but didn't materialise until after he left. He also had to try and replace the likes of Lee Cattermole, Bryan Oviedo and George Honeyman.

Despite that his record at Sunderland was :

Played - 75
Won - 38
Drawn - 27
Lost - 10
Win % - 50.67

EZ

Ok, he did a great job and his players were on £100 a week.

J-C
05-11-2019, 07:26 PM
Jack Ross didn't have lots of cash -as can be seen from his lack of big money signings. Much of this myth is assumed because Sunderland is such a big club. When he was with Sunderland he had little money and relied on free transfers and loan signings.
Investment was promised but didn't materialise until after he left. He also had to try and replace the likes of Lee Cattermole, Bryan Oviedo and George Honeyman.

Despite that his record at Sunderland was :

Played - 75
Won - 38
Drawn - 27
Lost - 10
Win % - 50.67

EZ

Far too many draws for a big club in Div 1.

hibeejeebies
05-11-2019, 09:21 PM
Pity season two of Sunderland 'Til I Die isn't out yet, be good to see Jack Ross up close on that.

Was thinking the same thing myself mate.

Unseen work
05-11-2019, 09:27 PM
Jack Ross didn't have lots of cash -as can be seen from his lack of big money signings. Much of this myth is assumed because Sunderland is such a big club. When he was with Sunderland he had little money and relied on free transfers and loan signings.
Investment was promised but didn't materialise until after he left. He also had to try and replace the likes of Lee Cattermole, Bryan Oviedo and George Honeyman.

Despite that his record at Sunderland was :

Played - 75
Won - 38
Drawn - 27
Lost - 10
Win % - 50.67

EZ

Absolutley, Sunderland are a big club but they have no divine right to walk out of that league. A lot of teams in the league pay good wages and transfer fee’s, Sunderland certainly don’t spend an absolute heap more than others.

He done a reasonable job but ultimately wasn’t enough to get them up.

League 1 is completely different to Scottish football. Many players and managers that have excelled up here and went there and been poor, vice versa some have done well down there then failed coming up here.

Ross knows Scottish football and is a young exciting manager who has a point to prove.

Wonder if the people that don’t want him are the ones that want Stubbs who failed to get us promoted, failed at Rotherham then failed at St Mirren?

I will back whenever is appointmented, but for me he is the man to take us forward and I’d have every confidence in him doing so.

eastmainsmsh
05-11-2019, 09:31 PM
James Fowler been at last two games seemingly must be Ross

ekhibee
05-11-2019, 09:31 PM
Ross certainly didn't get the best out of our player of the season McGeouch. Don't think he got the best out many of the Sunderland players

Neither did Lennon at Celtic. The only manager that seemed to get the best out of McGeouch was Stubbs. That doesn't mean I want him for the Hibs job.

bigwheel
05-11-2019, 09:33 PM
Neither did Lennon at Celtic. The only manager that seemed to get the best out of McGeouch was Stubbs. That doesn't mean I want him for the Hibs job.

Wasnt McGeough our player of the year under Lennon ? In his last season ....

blackpoolhibs
05-11-2019, 09:35 PM
Neither did Lennon at Celtic. The only manager that seemed to get the best out of McGeouch was Stubbs. That doesn't mean I want him for the Hibs job.

McGeouch was superb under Lennon???

JimBHibees
05-11-2019, 09:39 PM
McGeouch was superb under Lennon???

Yes he was

04Sauzee
05-11-2019, 09:41 PM
Neither did Lennon at Celtic. The only manager that seemed to get the best out of McGeouch was Stubbs. That doesn't mean I want him for the Hibs job.

You don't think McGeouch had an excellent season before he left for Sunderland?

Unseen work
05-11-2019, 10:31 PM
https://safcblog.com/jack-ross-new-hibs-manager/

Interesting aswell that Sunderland have now lost 4 out of their last 6 games since he left....

Hibeesmad
05-11-2019, 10:34 PM
I think it will be Ross and I think he will be a good appointment

Sammy7nil
05-11-2019, 10:37 PM
Ok, he did a great job and his players were on £100 a week.

Get him signed up :aok:

RossScott1991
05-11-2019, 10:52 PM
Almost certainty going to be Jack Ross imo. Thought it the moment he became free. All we can do as fans as support him if he is appointed. We are back to square one, many duds on long contracts. We also have an aging defence in gray mcgregor Stevenson etc. The new manager is going to need January then the summer to put his stamp on things.

Hopefully support will be patient , all I want to start with from the new man is for them to strike up an early rapport with the support as that’s something hecky didn’t have. Need someone to really buy into the club. Bonus will be implementing a style fans will like, even if they don’t have the players if it looks like it’s taking shape then fans will buy into it and have that early backing for him.

But personally I think all roads lead to jack ross, and whilst I ain’t jumping around in excitement at it, I can understand if it’s him.

Sir David Gray
05-11-2019, 10:59 PM
Absolutley, Sunderland are a big club but they have no divine right to walk out of that league. A lot of teams in the league pay good wages and transfer fee’s, Sunderland certainly don’t spend an absolute heap more than others.

He done a reasonable job but ultimately wasn’t enough to get them up.

League 1 is completely different to Scottish football. Many players and managers that have excelled up here and went there and been poor, vice versa some have done well down there then failed coming up here.

Ross knows Scottish football and is a young exciting manager who has a point to prove.

Wonder if the people that don’t want him are the ones that want Stubbs who failed to get us promoted, failed at Rotherham then failed at St Mirren?

I will back whenever is appointmented, but for me he is the man to take us forward and I’d have every confidence in him doing so.

Sunderland apparently spent more than £15 million on player salaries last season. I want Jack Ross to be the next manager but I'd say that's significantly more than any other club in League One.

Smartie
05-11-2019, 11:02 PM
https://safcblog.com/jack-ross-new-hibs-manager/

Interesting aswell that Sunderland have now lost 4 out of their last 6 games since he left....

With the squad of players Ross put together.

One of the strongest arguments against sacking PH was that the squad of players is weak and imbalanced and it is debatable whether or not a new man will get more out of them.

BigKev
05-11-2019, 11:06 PM
Sunderland apparently spent more than £15 million on player salaries last season. I want Jack Ross to be the next manager but I'd say that's significantly more than any other club in League One.

Did they not have a few still on PL wages? Rodwell, Cattermole, Oviedo etc? Seem to remember some kind of fall out with a high earner refusing to play.

Sir David Gray
05-11-2019, 11:28 PM
Did they not have a few still on PL wages? Rodwell, Cattermole, Oviedo etc? Seem to remember some kind of fall out with a high earner refusing to play.

Rodwell was on something like £70k a week and refused to move but also didn't want to play in League One but he wasn't there last season as he left Sunderland at the end of the previous season.

Cattermole was probably on a decent wage but it doesn't quite explain the £15 million. There must have been a lot of players on high salaries.

Smartie
06-11-2019, 12:21 AM
Rodwell was on something like £70k a week and refused to move but also didn't want to play in League One but he wasn't there last season as he left Sunderland at the end of the previous season.

Cattermole was probably on a decent wage but it doesn't quite explain the £15 million. There must have been a lot of players on high salaries.

Oviedo and Cattermole were still there and on big bucks.

There were some who were no longer there but still possibly being paid - N’Dong, Kone and Djilobodji.

They’re finally now free of all the silly deals that were signed.

Dashing Bob S
06-11-2019, 02:21 AM
I’d go for Ross on the basis of the points made above. He’s obviously a talented and ambitious guy and smart enough to learn from Blunderland. He’ll come back with a hunger to reestablish himself but also with a new sage awareness which will make Jack Ross 2 a more formidable force in the battleground of Scottish Football than ever before.

I’m working on the video game for rockstar north right now.

Jack Ross 2: Emerald Resurrection

Greenworld
06-11-2019, 08:55 AM
I'm told it's a done deal for Ross same guy who told me Hecky was gone just before it broke.
I've no doubt to doubt him other than why then wait get him in and get cracking before sat.
I've still got a hunch we are considering a foreign manager given the talk of link ups with foreign clubs.
Personally I think it's a game of roulette you need a huge slice of luck for it all to go well and I wouldn't actually like to be the one making the decision.

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Since452
06-11-2019, 09:28 AM
I'm told it's a done deal for Ross same guy who told me Hecky was gone just before it broke.
I've no doubt to doubt him other than why then wait get him in and get cracking before sat.
I've still got a hunch we are considering a foreign manager given the talk of link ups with foreign clubs.
Personally I think it's a game of roulette you need a huge slice of luck for it all to go well and I wouldn't actually like to be the one making the decision.

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Interesting. If he does get the job he'll get my full backing.

Hibby Bairn
06-11-2019, 09:36 AM
Rodwell was on something like £70k a week and refused to move but also didn't want to play in League One but he wasn't there last season as he left Sunderland at the end of the previous season.

Cattermole was probably on a decent wage but it doesn't quite explain the £15 million. There must have been a lot of players on high salaries.

Not really. £15m across say 35 players; over 52 weeks = average £8k per week.

madhatter
06-11-2019, 09:42 AM
I'm told it's a done deal for Ross same guy who told me Hecky was gone just before it broke.
I've no doubt to doubt him other than why then wait get him in and get cracking before sat.
I've still got a hunch we are considering a foreign manager given the talk of link ups with foreign clubs.
Personally I think it's a game of roulette you need a huge slice of luck for it all to go well and I wouldn't actually like to be the one making the decision.

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Certainly requires luck but there is no reason for it to be a huge slice. It becomes a huge slice when you follow the model of new manager = 8+ new players. We required rebuild but I honestly think the club should've been more in control. This "the manager needs his own players" is what creates the vast inconsistency and unreliability. Allow him to bring 1-2 of his own players but ultimately good managers work with any player.

Model should be bringing in a manager to fit the football philosophy of the club. It should also be club identity and, with the managers approval, bring in players that will fit that philosophy also. Not this "I worked with Adam Jackson he's a good lad".

We need a manager, regardless of nationality, that fits our club. Whether right or wrong we expect a certain type of football. Tbh if we are playing well and winning games I wouldn't care if the manager could speak English fluently. It all comes back to the football product.

James70
06-11-2019, 09:48 AM
I think that a foreign manager would be a huge gamble. After our previous manager's ignorance of Scottish football we need someone who knows Scottish football inside out.Not a job for a rookie like Darren Fletcher either but an experienced manager who can work with a limited budget.

Diclonius
06-11-2019, 09:48 AM
I still think he's already got the job.

Just_Jimmy
06-11-2019, 09:56 AM
He lost 10 games at Sunderland and won just over half of his games.

If that's failure then sign me up.

They lost playoff finals or else he's still there. Basket case club that's swallowed more experienced managers than Ross. I can't name you a successful Sunderland manager not named Peter Reid...

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GreenCastle
06-11-2019, 10:00 AM
https://safcblog.com/jack-ross-new-hibs-manager/

Interesting aswell that Sunderland have now lost 4 out of their last 6 games since he left....

Interesting- seems confident Ross will be the next Hibs manager.

I think it’s a safe option to improve us.

He will be hungry to prove he’s a good manager after the Sunderland situation plus I think he will take a hands on approach and improve the youth set up too.

Don’t think he would take much crap and we need someone who will demand hard work as a minimum.

He also knows the Old Firm and obviously may still hold a grudge against Hearts so may not be the worst thing as he would want to beat them.

oneone73
06-11-2019, 10:18 AM
He lost 10 games at Sunderland and won just over half of his games.

If that's failure then sign me up.

They lost playoff finals or else he's still there. Basket case club that's swallowed more experienced managers than Ross. I can't name you a successful Sunderland manager not named Peter Reid...

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Bob Stokoe.

bingo70
06-11-2019, 10:31 AM
I think that a foreign manager would be a huge gamble. After our previous manager's ignorance of Scottish football we need someone who knows Scottish football inside out.Not a job for a rookie like Darren Fletcher either but an experienced manager who can work with a limited budget.

All experienced managers within our reach would have failed somewhere so what’s to say they wouldn’t fail with us as well?

I like the idea of taking a punt on an up and coming manager that might just be brilliant. Fletcher knows Hibs and the expectations with him coming from the area, he seems a sensible guy, he’s got a lot of experience at a top club and I suspect based on his playing style he’ll have an infectious attitude to working hard.

If Rangers and Derby County can take a punt on managers with no experience and achieved success I don’t see why we can’t.

Dazzjw1875
06-11-2019, 10:42 AM
According to the report he is being named today as hibs manager, cany see it myself there will be no rush due to international break. Myself I would love to get in asap and let them work over the 2wks to hit ground running

J-C
06-11-2019, 10:44 AM
I watched the 2nd video clip someone posted earlier and he comes over very well. Spoke of learning at St Mirren, about finding a system to suit the players and then bringing in players with pace and energy in the middle of the park which was missing. He seems ambitious enough and if appointed I'll support him all the way.

J-C
06-11-2019, 10:46 AM
According to the report he is being named today as hibs manager, cany see it myself there will be no rush due to international break. Myself I would love to get in asap and let them work over the 2wks to hit ground running

We don't have many players away on international duty, so earlier the better, get him working asap.

Diclonius
06-11-2019, 10:52 AM
According to the report he is being named today as hibs manager, cany see it myself there will be no rush due to international break. Myself I would love to get in asap and let them work over the 2wks to hit ground running

The Record? I can't see anything.

JimBHibees
06-11-2019, 10:57 AM
Interesting short interview with him

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9DwjrRWEk

Heisenberg
06-11-2019, 11:01 AM
According to the report he is being named today as hibs manager, cany see it myself there will be no rush due to international break. Myself I would love to get in asap and let them work over the 2wks to hit ground running

I’d definitely want someone in as soon as possible. Two weeks over the internationals is an ideal time for a new manager to get in the door and start working.

jacomo
06-11-2019, 11:10 AM
I watched the 2nd video clip someone posted earlier and he comes over very well. Spoke of learning at St Mirren, about finding a system to suit the players and then bringing in players with pace and energy in the middle of the park which was missing. He seems ambitious enough and if appointed I'll support him all the way.


I’d be happy with Jack Ross.

His recruitment came in for criticism at Sunderland so I’d want to see that he has learned from that. Graeme Mathie will have to form a good relationship with the new manager to make sure we get the right players in.