The generic Hearts thread

[surreyhibbie]

They would have to have issued something. If they haven’t or hadn’t I’d be surprised if the SFRS, SAS and Police Scotland allowed events to take place and could object on the grounds of public
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safety certificate issued 31st October 2018 shows a max capacity of 19,852

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/559017/response/1360570/attach/3/22613%20General%20Safety%20Cert%20Tynecastle%2031% 20Oct%202018.pdf

[Peevemor]

safety certificate issued 31st October 2018 shows a max capacity of 19,852

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/559017/response/1360570/attach/3/22613%20General%20Safety%20Cert%20Tynecastle%2031% 20Oct%202018.pdfJust over 20,000, just like Mrs Budge said.

[Bostonhibby]

Just over 20,000, just like Mrs Budge said.You can see the castle from the castle view lounge as well.

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[Joe6-2]

Just over 20,000, just like Mrs Budge said.

Maybe there is a secret room at the top of the stairway to nowhere that holds 149!

[Juniper Greens]

safety certificate issued 31st October 2018 shows a max capacity of 19,852

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/559017/response/1360570/attach/3/22613%20General%20Safety%20Cert%20Tynecastle%2031% 20Oct%202018.pdf

What does our equivalent say?

[Aldo]

safety certificate issued 31st October 2018 shows a max capacity of 19,852

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/559017/response/1360570/attach/3/22613%20General%20Safety%20Cert%20Tynecastle%2031% 20Oct%202018.pdf

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Oft.... there you go. For those looking in all that money spent on the single tiered mega stand for a capacity around 400 less than us with no scope to expand. O and one stand that is already rusting, not even UEFA Compliant and cost more than our whole stadium (or there abouts)




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[Cataplana]

Just over 20,000, just like Mrs Budge said.

When you add in the seats that would have been taken out if they had finished the job it takes the capacity over 20k.

By saving seats that would have been lost they have increase the capacity.

[surreyhibbie]

What does our equivalent say?

will try and find it , busy listening to the Celtc game with Cliff and Co. on Hibs TV now...:greengrin

[WoreTheGreen]

You can see the castle from the castle view lounge as well.

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News flash they have just incorporated a state of the art periscope to view the castle

[wallpaperman]

safety certificate issued 31st October 2018 shows a max capacity of 19,852

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/559017/response/1360570/attach/3/22613%20General%20Safety%20Cert%20Tynecastle%2031% 20Oct%202018.pdf


There we have it, maybe I’m being petty but on no account should they be allowed to ever state they have a 20k capacity stadium.

[Since452]

Just over 20,000, just like Mrs Budge said.

If you add in the deck chairs that the beautiful people sit in and the bar stools in the sky bar and the old piss stained seats in the Robertson lounge you'd maybe break 20k. Do they count?

[Joe6-2]

If you add in the deck chairs that the beautiful people sit in and the bar stools sky bar and the old piss stained seats in the Robertson lounge you'd maybe break 20k. Do they count?

They already count

[Jack Hackett]

News flash they have just incorporated a state of the art periscope to view the castle


If they actually lived in the 21st century, they'd be using drones

[jacomo]

safety certificate issued 31st October 2018 shows a max capacity of 19,852

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/559017/response/1360570/attach/3/22613%20General%20Safety%20Cert%20Tynecastle%2031% 20Oct%202018.pdf



:faf:

Nearly double the original budget, still unfinished, and missed their primary objective of a 20,000 + stadium.

The Duncans like to be known as The Famous but a more apt description would be The Failures.

[GreenCastle]

safety certificate issued 31st October 2018 shows a max capacity of 19,852

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/559017/response/1360570/attach/3/22613%20General%20Safety%20Cert%20Tynecastle%2031% 20Oct%202018.pdf

It a probably even less than that as they took out seats for the TV studio at the back of the stand.

[jacomo]

If you add in the deck chairs that the beautiful people sit in and the bar stools in the sky bar and the old piss stained seats in the Robertson lounge you'd maybe break 20k. Do they count?


Don’t forget the seats in the Fritzl bunker behind one of the goals as well.

[Cataplana]

If they actually lived in the 21st century, they'd be using drones

Periscopes were good enough in the trenches.

[greenlex]

When you add in the seats that would have been taken out if they had finished the job it takes the capacity over 20k.

By saving seats that would have been lost they have increase the capacity.

How very Conservative.

[Cataplana]

How very Conservative.

Thing of the future, fake news. We are already in the shadow of the Yams ground breaking approach.

[Eyrie]

They already count

All the way to twelve without taking their shoes and socks off.

[Northernhibee]

:faf:

Nearly double the original budget, still unfinished, and missed their primary objective of a 20,000 + stadium.

The Duncans like to be known as The Famous but a more apt description would be The Failures.

They've made a right Christophe of that.

[Keith_M]

I honestly think the 20k capacity was calculated on the original design of the new stand, before somebody reminded them that they needed to remove some of the seats for the dugouts, press area, directors' box and TV area.

...oh and the seats behind the roof pillars with no view of the pitch.

[Jack Hackett]

Periscopes were good enough in the trenches.

Good point.

[AlbertK86]

Just over 20,000, just like Mrs Budge said.

She actually looks and lies like Boris Johnston


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[007]

Just over 20,000, just like Mrs Budge said.

She confirmed to them earlier this year it was 20k. Imagine how they'd react if they'd been told it was under 20k so nothing wrong with a wee white lie when it's to stop the fans losing their sh¡t.

Has someone updated Wikipedia now there's an official figure with a source that can be cited?

[wallpaperman]

She confirmed to them earlier this year it was 20k. Imagine how they'd react if they'd been told it was under 20k so nothing wrong with a wee white lie when it's to stop the fans losing their sh¡t.

Has someone updated Wikipedia now there's an official figure with a source that can be cited?

Their wiki page makes reference a couple of times to a capacity of 20,099, with some reference to an article from 2017.

I don’t know how wiki works but surely this can be edited to the correct figure with a link reference to the safety certificate?

Anyone got an account they can use to edit? 😀

[cocteautwin]

Their wiki page makes reference a couple of times to a capacity of 20,099, with some reference to an article from 2017.

I don’t know how wiki works but surely this can be edited to the correct figure with a link reference to the safety certificate?

Anyone got an account they can use to edit? 😀

I see someone has edited it to 19,852 :greengrin

That Wiki figure is guarded more closely than The Black Gate at Mordor. There's 500,000 Orcs defending it. It'll be changed back soon I imagine.

[FilipinoHibs]

I see someone has edited it to 19,852 :greengrin

That Wiki figure is guarded more closely than The Black Gate at Mordor. There's 500,000 Orcs defending it. It'll be changed back soon I imagine.

Another victory for the Hibs

[cabbageandribs1875]

Maybe there is a secret room at the top of the stairway to nowhere that holds 149!


they maybe have some type of secret trapdoor thing that opens like the one behind the away end goals, it's very futuristic 22nd century architecture

[Gmack7]

will they a announce just over 20K as the official attendance on boxing day

[Cataplana]

Their wiki page makes reference a couple of times to a capacity of 20,099, with some reference to an article from 2017.

I don’t know how wiki works but surely this can be edited to the correct figure with a link reference to the safety certificate?

Anyone got an account they can use to edit? 😀

I have tried several times. Stating that no source was available for the figure quoted.

I cited the official attendances in sold out matches.

My entry is usually removed within two hours. Somebody is very protective of that 20,099 figure.

[Bostonhibby]

I have tried several times. Stating that no source was available for the figure quoted.

I cited the official attendances in sold out matches.

My entry is usually removed within two hours. Somebody is very protective of that 20,099 figure.Posted quite a few times that our family yam, who is a bit of a nerd, set out to work out the capacity from their own website and any other sources he could find.

He's been adamant for ages that it's 19250 plus whatever extras they can count from hospitality etc.

Boy's a big teamer but on this occasion he just maintains it's now a better facility than anywhere else.

To comply with their Health & Safety obligations and insurance cover they can't totally kid on about capacity so the 19852 will be right but they can use Wikipedia and old wives tales to subdue the "simple fans".

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[FilipinoHibs]

Posted quite a few times that our family yam, who is a bit of a nerd, set out to work out the capacity from their own website and any other sources he could find.

He's been adamant for ages that it's 19250 plus whatever extras they can count from hospitality etc.

Boy's a big teamer but on this occasion he just maintains it's now a better facility than anywhere else.

To comply with their Health & Safety obligations and insurance cover they can't totally kid on about capacity so the 19852 will be right but they can use Wikipedia and old wives tales to subdue the "simple fans".

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I have posted on fans Facebook page with a link to the evidence. People need to know.

[Bostonhibby]

I have posted on fans Facebook page with a link to the evidence. People need to know.[emoji106]

"There's none so blind as those who will not see"

Served them well in the Romanov era.



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[Carheenlea]

To most observers, two stadiums of circa 20,000 give or take 600 seats would be classed as similarly sized stadiums, with 600 seats in a 20,000 arena not really making a huge difference to stadium size, or meriting any boasting.

Not to Hearts though, who have a rather odd and unhealthy obsession over bigness. Had it been confirmed that they had a few more seats than Easter Road then you can guarantee it would be mentioned on a weekly basis how their ground is the biggest in Edinburgh. Bigger this, biggest that - they really are oddballs.

[Aldo]

To most observers, two stadiums of circa 20,000 give or take 600 seats would be classed as similarly sized stadiums, with 600 seats in a 20,000 arena not really making a huge difference to stadium size, or meriting any boasting.

Not to Hearts though, who have a rather odd and unhealthy obsession over bigness. Had it been confirmed that they had a few more seats than Easter Road then you can guarantee it would be mentioned on a weekly basis how their ground is the biggest in Edinburgh. Bigger this, biggest that - they really are oddballs.

Spot on.

Your last paragraph C is so true.

Not once have they mentioned this and I don’t suspect they ever will. I have however brought this up in conversation with a few yam associates over a drink or 2 and the crap they have spouted about more expansion etc is hilarious.

I asked where could they add more seats and they couldn’t answer and the old 1-5 blankie came out.

Head in the sand when it comes to actual FACT!


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[007]

Spot on.

Your last paragraph C is so true.

Not once have they mentioned this and I don’t suspect they ever will. I have however brought this up in conversation with a few yam associates over a drink or 2 and the crap they have spouted about more expansion etc is hilarious.

I asked where could they add more seats and they couldn’t answer and the old 1-5 blankie came out.

Head in the sand when it comes to actual FACT!


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That should be the target in any conversation with them, if you can get them to bring up 5-1 or 22 in a row then you can declare yourself the victor.

[007]

I have tried several times. Stating that no source was available for the figure quoted.

I cited the official attendances in sold out matches.

My entry is usually removed within two hours. Somebody is very protective of that 20,099 figure.

You could try changing surface from "Hybrid" to "World's most expensive tattie field". They usually like having the "biggest" or the "most" something.

[Aldo]

That should be the target in any conversation with them, if you can get them to bring up 5-1 or 22 in a row then you can declare yourself the victor.

Thing is it’s always the case. As I mentioned they don’t do FACT.

They reckon they have the best of everything, from stadium, pitch and training facilities.

When I point out certain things like

One tiered mega stand isn’t finished and will cost well over £20 million

They don’t have a UEFA compliant stadium and it’s only Silver rated by SFA etc (unlike our Hold Status)

They don’t have their own training facilities... they rent.


Things like that and they come out with our stadium is soulless (what about the night we pumped you out the Scottish cup in 2016)

Just things like that and the blankie comes out.

The best and probably most childish thing I do is raise the creditors list and more importantly the bumping of the Lady Haig Poppy Fund.

O ya boy that touches a nerve and they say it’s a lie. Eh naw... not according to the official creditors list. They don’t like FACT





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[007]

Thing is it’s always the case. As I mentioned they don’t do FACT.

They reckon they have the best of everything, from stadium, pitch and training facilities.

When I point out certain things like

One tiered mega stand isn’t finished and will cost well over £20 million

They don’t have a UEFA compliant stadium and it’s only Silver rated by SFA etc (unlike our Hold Status)

They don’t have their own training facilities... they rent.


Things like that and they come out with our stadium is soulless (what about the night we pumped you out the Scottish cup in 2016)

Just things like that and the blankie comes out.

The best and probably most childish thing I do is raise the creditors list and more importantly the bumping of the Lady Haig Poppy Fund.

O ya boy that touches a nerve and they say it’s a lie. Eh naw... not according to the official creditors list. They don’t like FACT



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:aok:

Another one to add to the list - Next time they call themselves the Famous. Just tell them "So famous the manager hadn't heard of them".

[Aldo]

:aok:

Another one to add to the list - Next time they call themselves the Famous. Just tell them "So famous the manager hadn't heard of them".

I like that. But he had heard of us!!


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[Since452]

I like that. But he had heard of us!!


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I'm not so sure he's even heard of Barnsley 🍻🍺🥃

[Cataplana]

To most observers, two stadiums of circa 20,000 give or take 600 seats would be classed as similarly sized stadiums, with 600 seats in a 20,000 arena not really making a huge difference to stadium size, or meriting any boasting.

Not to Hearts though, who have a rather odd and unhealthy obsession over bigness. Had it been confirmed that they had a few more seats than Easter Road then you can guarantee it would be mentioned on a weekly basis how their ground is the biggest in Edinburgh. Bigger this, biggest that - they really are oddballs.

I've just been comparing capacities, it doesn't bother me one bit that Pittodrie has 400 more seats than us.

[Alan62]

400 more seats in a crumbling stadium though. [emoji2957]


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[Keith_M]

I've just been comparing capacities, it doesn't bother me one bit that Pittodrie has 400 more seats than us.


Even though Pittodrie is past it's best and has a number of downsides (e.g. uncovered seats), Aberdeen fans can rightly be proud that moving to all-seater was a ground breaking change and away ahead of most other stadia.

Hearts, on the other hand, are simply playing catch up and have nothing worth bragging about.

Their stadium is no better, or larger, than ER and that hurts them

[crewetollhibee]

We really should fill even ONE of the corners, that would truly give them the serious nark.

[007]

We really should fill even ONE of the corners, that would truly give them the serious nark.

The corner between the East and the Famous Five and call it the Liam Henderson Corner.

[PatHead]

We really should fill even ONE of the corners, that would truly give them the serious nark.

With the standing section.

[Hibs4185]

Thing is it’s always the case. As I mentioned they don’t do FACT.

They reckon they have the best of everything, from stadium, pitch and training facilities.

When I point out certain things like

One tiered mega stand isn’t finished and will cost well over £20 million

They don’t have a UEFA compliant stadium and it’s only Silver rated by SFA etc (unlike our Hold Status)

They don’t have their own training facilities... they rent.


Things like that and they come out with our stadium is soulless (what about the night we pumped you out the Scottish cup in 2016)

Just things like that and the blankie comes out.

The best and probably most childish thing I do is raise the creditors list and more importantly the bumping of the Lady Haig Poppy Fund.

O ya boy that touches a nerve and they say it’s a lie. Eh naw... not according to the official creditors list. They don’t like FACT





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The best bit about the Lady Haig Poppy Fund is that not one of their mysterious benefactors some forward to pay it, nor did budge or any other fan. It was our very own STF that paid it.

[jacomo]

That should be the target in any conversation with them, if you can get them to bring up 5-1 or 22 in a row then you can declare yourself the victor.


Jambo Bingo!

[jacomo]

:aok:

Another one to add to the list - Next time they call themselves the Famous. Just tell them "So famous the manager hadn't heard of them".


The Failures is more apt.

The most amusing thing about their stand is that Budge stated many times that it would create a 20k + seat stadium (and we all know why that target was important to them).

[cocteautwin]

I notice it’s AGM day over at Tynecastle.

I wonder if anyone will be asking about:

- £21m spent on the new stand when the budget was £12m
- £25m spent of money donated since Admin
- the shortage of cash at year end after taking £5m of early season ticket money
- what level of funding the “donor” will be providing to see them through to end of season
- the recent revision downwards of the stadium capacity to 19,852
- the lofty league position of 11th soon to be 12th

It’s all a good laugh isn’t it?

[Scott Allan Key]

Rosebery House, surely.

I know where she lives and she's doing a grand job.

[FilipinoHibs]

I notice it’s AGM day over at Tynecastle.

I wonder if anyone will be asking about:

- £21m spent on the new stand when the budget was £12m
- £25m spent of money donated since Admin
- the shortage of cash at year end after taking £5m of early season ticket money
- what level of funding the “donor” will be providing to see them through to end of season
- the recent revision downwards of the stadium capacity to 19,852
- the lofty league position of 11th soon to be 12th

It’s all a good laugh isn’t it?

The AGM should be cracking. Can't wait for the EEN report.

[cocteautwin]

The AGM should be cracking. Can't wait for the EEN report.

I'm pretty sure it will be unquestioning support and acceptance of the great situation that Budge will tell the fans she's leaving them with. Must be true, she's said it herself.

[Gmack7]

Will Levain take his seat at the top table or will he be filling up the tea/coffee jugs

[Waxy]

Will Levain take his seat at the top table or will he be filling up the tea/coffee jugs

With Plug and Daly going around with a plate of french fancies?

[Springbank]

At the airplane banner company offices:

Lads, I've just received an order for a banner to be flown over Tynecastle during the hearts agm.

It's from a Daniel Stendel. He wants it to say:

"No style, no bottle, Stendel Out"

He says its urgent...

[FilipinoHibs]

I'm pretty sure it will be unquestioning support and acceptance of the great situation that Budge will tell the fans she's leaving them with. Must be true, she's said it herself.

Yes the whitewash job which we will have dismantling.

[Aldo]

I notice it’s AGM day over at Tynecastle.

I wonder if anyone will be asking about:

- £21m spent on the new stand when the budget was £12m
- £25m spent of money donated since Admin
- the shortage of cash at year end after taking £5m of early season ticket money
- what level of funding the “donor” will be providing to see them through to end of season
- the recent revision downwards of the stadium capacity to 19,852
- the lofty league position of 11th soon to be 12th

It’s all a good laugh isn’t it?

What you have written is FACT so in a nutshell no one will mention any of the above, especially the capacity.

The EEN will print what they are told and will confirm to the norm when it comes to them!


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[Smartie]

At the airplane banner company offices:

Lads, I've just received an order for a banner to be flown over Tynecastle during the hearts agm.

It's from a Daniel Stendel. He wants it to say:

"No style, no bottle, Stendel Out"

He says its urgent...

Say what you like about Stendel, he’s got plenty of bottles.

[Treadstone]

I'm really surprised allisbarry tweeted on Saturday that Stendel needed new players and time. Only eighteen months he was tweeting on the new signings and it was looking rosy.

https://twitter.com/BarryAnderson_/status/1014558206373318656?s=19

[where'stheslope]

Just love the fact that if they lose to Celtic on Wednesday by more than 4 goals, they go BOTTOM of the league!!!!!!
The way Celtic are playing just now it could easily be 10!!!!

[cocteautwin]

Just love the fact that if they lose to Celtic on Wednesday by more than 4 goals, they go BOTTOM of the league!!!!!!
The way Celtic are playing just now it could easily be 10!!!!

Just need to lose 3-0 and they go bottom don’t they? Or is my maths wrong?


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[PatHead]

Just need to lose 3-0 and they go bottom don’t they? Or is my maths wrong?


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They would go bottom on alphabetical order.

[cocteautwin]

They would go bottom on alphabetical order.

That’ll do. Just for the screenshot and the WhatsApp group message on Thursday morning ;-)


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[Aldo]

They would go bottom on alphabetical order.

Do goals scored not count in all this??


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[04Sauzee]

Do goals scored not count in all this??


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They would.

Both teams should Hearts not score tonight have a Goals For Of 16.

16 Goals in what will be 18 games for Hearts, they scored 5 of them against St Mirren in 1 game!!

[Kato]

They would go bottom on alphabetical order.Can they be relegated on alphabetical order?

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[Smartie]

Can they be relegated on alphabetical order?

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Oooft.

How funny would that be?

[Aldo]

They would.

Both teams should Hearts not score tonight have a Goals For Of 16.

16 Goals in what will be 18 games for Hearts, they scored 5 of them against St Mirren in 1 game!!

Cheers!


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[Hibbyradge]

They would.

Both teams should Hearts not score tonight have a Goals For Of 16.

16 Goals in what will be 18 games for Hearts, they scored 5 of them against St Mirren in 1 game!!

I don't know why you're worrying about Hearts, Celtic won't score tonight.

[Steve88]

AGM. AB quoting their new manager as saying "isn't overly impressed with the squad"..

Any shred of confidence/morale in the playing squad has all but gone

[04Sauzee]

This is actually very funny some of the stuff coming out of the AGM

Empty your blader before clicking the link 😂
https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/186322-agm-on-tuesday/page/7/#comments

[Not In The Know]

Another £1.5m required to complete the stand.

which really means £3m

[Since452]

Budge confirms that Levein doesn't come near the club now... In the mornings.

Shambolic

[Steve88]

Austin MacPhee ( whos contract expires in May) sat at home in charge of player recruitment...

Probably scouting players via football manager 2020

[Waxy]

AGM. AB quoting their new manager as saying "isn't overly impressed with the squad"..

Any shred of confidence/morale in the playing squad has all but gone

Wouldnt be surprised if the playing squad downed tools. Sod playing for that ungrateful lot.

[HoboHarry]

All of this should add to the cheery atmosphere in Gorgie...... :faf:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50826082

[Col2]

The AGM thread is priceless.

Two gems amongst many are:-

1. Stand needs another £1.5m to complete and they don’t have the cash but should have it next year. How many years is it now? And it must be over £20m now surely?

2. The reason given for the bad pitch despite it being the most advanced and monitored in world football is “unexpected amount is shade in recent months”. Well knock me over with a weather but isn’t the amount of shade determined by the rotation of the that thing they call Earth???

[Coco Bryce]

Levein got an absolute roasting from the angry mob at the AGM earlier.

Pleasing :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

The AGM thread is priceless.

Two gems amongst many are:-

1. Stand needs another £1.5m to complete and they don’t have the cash but should have it next year. How many years is it now? And it must be over £20m now surely?

2. The reason given for the bad pitch despite it being the most advanced and monitored in world football is “unexpected amount is shade in recent months”. Well knock me over with a weather but isn’t the amount of shade determined by the rotation of the that thing they call Earth???
Maybe the plans were drawn in Saudi Arabia and they forgot......

[matty_f]

I never read Kickback, but I might be tempted to read the thread - assuming that the posts above aren't a wind-up?

[monarch]

Wouldnt be surprised if the playing squad downed tools. Sod playing for that ungrateful lot.
This reminds me of the Terry Butcher school of diplomacy. Remind me, how did that end 😂

[Steve88]

I never read Kickback, but I might be tempted to read the thread - assuming that the posts above aren't a wind-up?

Knock yourself out, or perhaps save reading the thread on kickback until Wednesday evening when they're getting pumped on their state of the art pitch... undone by nothing more than the lack of sunlight

[Waxy]

This reminds me of the Terry Butcher school of diplomacy. Remind me, how did that end 😂

Well its exactly what happened to us. Players turned on the fans and manager and sent us down on purpose.

[Springbank]

My favourite part of the Jambo Kickback thread:

Jambo 1 - way more than 5 managers were interviewed, Stendel showed the most passion [my edit: really? what does that say for the others?] and Hearts have not paid Barnsley or heard back from Barnsley about payment, so it is now assumed Stendel has arrived for free

Jambo 2 - when can Hearts bring in Stendel's 2 assistants then, if theyve all been sacked?

Jambo 1 - ahh, his assistants might not have been sacked but put on gardening leave

[and no-one at all on JKB thinks for a minute that there might be a follow-up question..."ehm, so are ya SURE that Stendel was sacked & not put on gardening leave too?"]

I suspect there's further fun for us to be had on that story...just a hunch...

[Since452]

Sounds like they're in a spot of financial difficulty. If they are in fact due Barnsley money then their rich benefactor had better pony up again

[JeMeSouviens]

My favourite part of the Jambo Kickback thread:

Jambo 1 - way more than 5 managers were interviewed, Stendel showed the most passion [my edit: really? what does that say for the others?] and Hearts have not paid Barnsley or heard back from Barnsley about payment, so it is now assumed Stendel has arrived for free

Jambo 2 - when can Hearts bring in Stendel's 2 assistants then, if theyve all been sacked?

Jambo 1 - ahh, his assistants might not have been sacked but put on gardening leave

[and no-one at all on JKB thinks for a minute that there might be a follow-up question..."ehm, so are ya SURE that Stendel was sacked & not put on gardening leave too?"]

I suspect there's further fun for us to be had on that story...just a hunch...

I like the bit where he got the job because he's "tough" and shows "zero tolerance to players who won't change". If you were looking for an identikit to get them relegated that's what I'd go for. :wink:

[mjh]

This reminds me of the Terry Butcher school of diplomacy. Remind me, how did that end 😂
This - my memory is that Butcher(at the same stage in the season) told a bunch of players that they should fInd other clubs - it was all downhill from there!

[RyeSloan]

Loved the bit about Austin ‘working from home’...clearly spending a lot of time in detailed discussions with their new manager on what players to recruit then!

So much comedy gold from their AGM today!

[Kato]

So much comedy gold from their AGM today!

Their deep seated sense of pomposity prevents them from seeing that. An upbeat article in tomorrow's EEN will have them shouting from the rooftops about brave experiments and untapped potential.

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[Since452]

They seem an utter basket case of a club. The Scottish Sunderland

[Not In The Know]

Loved the bit about Austin ‘working from home’...clearly spending a lot of time in detailed discussions with their new manager on what players to recruit then!

So much comedy gold from their AGM today!


"Levein only comes in Afternoons"! what a shambles of a club.

[HoboHarry]

"Levein only comes in Afternoons"! what a shambles of a club.
And McPhee not at all :faf:

[WoreTheGreen]

Loved the bit about Austin ‘working from home’...clearly spending a lot of time in detailed discussions with their new manager on what players to recruit then!

So much comedy gold from their AGM today!

Looks like the grounds man works from home to

[Since452]

"Levein only comes in Afternoons"! what a shambles of a club.

Reminds me of a song by James

[Hibernia&Alba]

Reminds me of a song by James

:greengrin :top marks

[RyeSloan]

Looks like the grounds man works from home to

Only when there is excessive shade....which it appears is way more often than you would believe could be possible in ever sunny Scotland.

[Aldo]

So they’ve spent £21.6 million on a single tiered rust bucket and still need to find a minimum of £1.5 million to complete it but it’s now in the back burner because they’ve hit no money.

They have a £400,000 deficit in terms of budget for the year..... o ya boy. Another anonymous benefactor donation required.

So reading between the lines

1. They don’t have any cash to finish the mega rust stand

2. They are running a £400,000 deficit

3. The new manager wants new players - but they’ve no cash and he will have to move players on to get quality players in???

So it looks like (we already know this) they are living outwith their means again and they’d be millions in debt if it hadn’t been for donations.

For those looking in.... what a basket case your club is.

Pleasing, all very pleasing!


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[Springbank]

They seem an utter basket case of a club. The Scottish Sunderland

I believe they are also doing a fly on the wall documentary of their season this season over in Gorgie (not a joke, I heard this was the case)

Assuming it's not a wind-up, then what a fantastic season to pick to follow the Duncans around!

The "MacPhee effect" and "negotiations with Barnsley" episodes will be ones to enjoy

[Billy Whizz]

So they’ve spent £21.6 million on a single tiered rust bucket and still need to find a minimum of £1.5 million to complete it but it’s now in the back burner because they’ve hit no money.

They have a £400,000 deficit in terms of budget for the year..... o ya boy. Another anonymous benefactor donation required.

So reading between the lines

1. They don’t have any cash to finish the mega rust stand

2. They are running a £400,000 deficit

3. The new manager wants new players - but they’ve no cash and he will have to move players on to get quality players in???

So it looks like (we already know this) they are living outwith their means again and they’d be millions in debt if it hadn’t been for donations.

For those looking in.... what a basket case your club is.

Pleasing, all very pleasing!


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You don’t like them Aldo, do you😜

[Aldo]

You don’t like them Aldo, do you[emoji12]

What makes you say that Billy??


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[Billy Whizz]

Levein got an absolute roasting from the angry mob at the AGM earlier.

Pleasing :greengrin

Surprised he was at it, he’s not a Director anymore
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC005863/filing-history

[Kojock]

All of this should add to the cheery atmosphere in Gorgie...... :faf:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50826082

This bit got me 😂

Levein, who was also director of football, was sacked on 31 October but will continue to help with the academy and medical setup.

A manager who assembled the most injury prone squad in history is helping with the medical set up. It’s comedy gold.

[Iggy Pope]

Reminds me of a song by James

He also likes a sit down as we know.

[Smartie]

I believe they are also doing a fly on the wall documentary of their season this season over in Gorgie (not a joke, I heard this was the case)

Assuming it's not a wind-up, then what a fantastic season to pick to follow the Duncans around!

The "MacPhee effect" and "negotiations with Barnsley" episodes will be ones to enjoy

The final episode "Levein back in the dugout as caretaker manager to finish the season" will be the best though.

[Kato]

You don’t like them Aldo, do you[emoji12]I think Aldo has a healthy regard for the Jambos, no hate, no bitterness -- just sees right through their special brand of bull.

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[Aldo]

I think Aldo has a healthy regard for the Jambos, no hate, no bitterness -- just sees right through their special brand of bull.

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[emoji106]
Indeed like most of us do. Unlike the head in the sand brigade down Tiny way who hang on Budgies every word, even though she constantly contradicts herself! (For those looking in that us FACT and I have proof) and gulp it right doon.








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[SteveHFC]

Levein doesn't work in the mornings.

MacPhee works from home.

They can't afford to finish their wonderful main stand.

:faf:

[Since452]

One million quid pitch not working because of the clouds.
Can't afford to finish the stand they started building years ago until next Julember.
Sacked ex manager and director of football Craig Levein working backshift.
McPhee working from home.

Was this a professional football clubs AGM or one of Daniel Stendel's drunken dreams?

[Springbank]

Here's a gem: apparently budge told the agm that 'as a rule' hearts dont pay signing on fees.

Helps explain why bottom of league dross and knackered old pros is what they can attract

[Phil MaGlass]

It really is a hoot over there, they are in the crap and cannae get oot, really had me laughing that thread, started reading from page 5 :greengrin:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

All that money, and this is what they've done with it, fantastic stuff from Mrs doctor Budge and doctor football.

Great to see their money management issues continue in a post Romanov world.



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Whats the deal with Naismith? Injured again?

That 4 year deal looking like a great piece of business now if he can't keep himself fit more than a couple of games at a time. I know a couple of jambos at work starting to get a bit frustrated with it.

[Aldo]

Whats the deal with Naismith? Injured again?

That 4 year deal looking like a great piece of business now if he can't keep himself fit more than a couple of games at a time. I know a couple of jambos at work starting to get a bit frustrated with it.

Who knows but regardless will be fit (even if not fit) for the Derby.


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[Jack Hackett]

All that money, and this is what they've done with it, fantastic stuff from Mrs doctor Budge and doctor football.

Great to see their money management issues continue in a post Romanov world.



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But, but, but... she's a canny businesswoman doncha know. Knows FA about football, but canny enough to sell the 'Believers' a 70's office facade as a 'Glass Curtain', and to suspend their payments to buy her out to get them to pay for it.

F****** Clowns to a man... and woman!

:jamboclow:jamboclow:jamboclow

:lolyam:

[Aldo]

But, but, but... she's a canny businesswoman doncha know. Knows FA about football, but canny enough to sell the 'Believers' a 70's office facade as a 'Glass Curtain', and to suspend their payments to buy her out to get them to pay for it.

F****** Clowns to a man... and woman!

:jamboclow:jamboclow:jamboclow

:lolyam:

Love it!

What makes it even funnier is that lot are gullible as and don’t see what we can all see. £21.5 million on a single tiered rust bucket that still isn’t finished and will cost millions to finish.... but she’s says it’s got the best facilities and most modern in Scottish Football (try telling the media that when it’s pissing down) so they beLIEve it.

They will beLIEve anything.

Alarm bells should be tuning that they have a £400,000 deficit in the budget and that’s after millions of donations from benefactors. £8 million plus on wage bill [emoji23][emoji23]

Long may it continue imho and I cannot wait for fan ownership!


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[green day]

But, but, but... she's a canny businesswoman doncha know. Knows FA about football, but canny enough to sell the 'Believers' a 70's office facade as a 'Glass Curtain', and to suspend their payments to buy her out to get them to pay for it.

F****** Clowns to a man... and woman!

:jamboclow:jamboclow:jamboclow

:lolyam:

Just listening to her being asked very simple questions by Brian McLaughlin, she is a slaver - apparently spoke for 43 minutes before taking questions - and sounds (after 5 years in charge and a "stellar business career") clueless.

I dont imagine Hearts fans will be happy - spoke to my Hearts ST holder neighbour the other day, he said they are rank, the new stand is unfinished, and they have "*****ed money" on crap players.

Sounds about right based on everything we have heard.

[Since452]

None of this would be as funny if they didn't continuously bang on about being the big team etc

[Bostonhibby]

Love it!

What makes it even funnier is that lot are gullible as and don’t see what we can all see. £21.5 million on a single tiered rust bucket that still isn’t finished and will cost millions to finish.... but she’s says it’s got the best facilities and most modern in Scottish Football (try telling the media that when it’s pissing down) so they beLIEve it.

They will beLIEve anything.

Alarm bells should be tuning that they have a £400,000 deficit in the budget and that’s after millions of donations from benefactors. £8 million plus on wage bill [emoji23][emoji23]

Long may it continue imho and I cannot wait for fan ownership!


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[HoboHarry]

If I was at the AGM and or an investor in any business with these numbers the first question I'd be asking is can the directors give me a breakdown of where the millions went across the various parts of the business and in relation to the stand and pitch I'd want to know how they decided they were getting best value and paying the right price.

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You'd get shouted down by the half-a-heids......

[Bostonhibby]

You'd get shouted down by the half-a-heids......That's happened before[emoji6]

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[green day]

Hilarious - Medals Mackay (who calls it Heart of Midlothian Football Club) is now agreeing with radges at the AGM who have demanded that Gary Locke does the dressing room "gee up" ahead of the derby :faf:

[Aldo]

If I was at the AGM and or an investor in any business with these numbers the first question I'd be asking is can the directors give me a breakdown of where the millions went across the various parts of the business and in relation to the stand and pitch I'd want to know how they decided they were getting best value and paying the right price.

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You would think but I bet no one asked!

The majority have been brought up with this financial filing and they are at it again. This is FACT (they don’t do this) and mentioning the £400,000 deficit prices this.

Berra, ratboy, whelan snd I’m sure many others will be in upwards of £5k a week (I’m not itk on this). £8 million wage bill would possibly back this up.

They only know one way and they will continue but there will come a time when the donations will stop!


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[Aldo]

Hilarious - Medals Mackay (who calls it Heart of Midlothian Football Club) is now agreeing with radges at the AGM who have demanded that Gary Locke does the dressing room "gee up" ahead of the derby :faf:

Glad you said Gee and not P........ well you know! [emoji23]


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[Alan62]

Hilarious - Medals Mackay (who calls it Heart of Midlothian Football Club) is now agreeing with radges at the AGM who have demanded that Gary Locke does the dressing room "gee up" ahead of the derby :faf:

What a great listen that was. Think I have used up a lifetime’s schadenfreude this last week or so.


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[Bostonhibby]

Hilarious - Medals Mackay (who calls it Heart of Midlothian Football Club) is now agreeing with radges at the AGM who have demanded that Gary Locke does the dressing room "gee up" ahead of the derby :faf:It's a great idea, they could get big Trudi to come back to help Lockey, naturally he'd charge them for his appearance again but since money's still no object.... .

He could pull a couple of pints for the manager afterwards as well.

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[G B Young]

MacPhee and Levein are sharing the director of football role. One works from home and the other doesn't come in until the afternoon when training's over?!

Budge is clearly out of her depth here if she expects anyone to see that as anything but a crackpot way to run a football club.

As for the 'new' stand...still at least £1.5 million away from completion so the entire second floor apparetnly lies unused for the foreseeable future. This is a structure that was originally supposed to cost £12 million (which even at that price seemed steep for a single tier stand). What has the price risen to since then? Almost double that??

As discussed before, you have to ask what Budge's reputation as a 'businesswoman' is based on.

[Col2]

Levein doesn't work in the mornings.

MacPhee works from home.

They can't afford to finish their wonderful main stand.

:faf:

Sums its up perfectly. I thought the fun had ended after the Romanov days but the Budge and Levein combination is the gift that keeps giving 👍

[Coco Bryce]

Hilarious - Medals Mackay (who calls it Heart of Midlothian Football Club) is now agreeing with radges at the AGM who have demanded that Gary Locke does the dressing room "gee up" ahead of the derby :faf:

Aye. Let's bring in another ex manager into the fold. Why not really go for it and bring back Burley as a drinking partner for Stein-del.

[007]

Hilarious - Medals Mackay (who calls it Heart of Midlothian Football Club) is now agreeing with radges at the AGM who have demanded that Gary Locke does the dressing room "gee up" ahead of the derby :faf:

I hope they do. Players would surely lose respect for Stendel if he can't gee them up himself.

[Joe6-2]

Looks like the grounds man works from home to

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Kato]

You'd get shouted down by the half-a-heids......I take it the half-a-heid they've got includes the part with their chip-holes?

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[007]

Looks like the grounds man works from home to

:faf:

ER pitch is in good nick. Maybe we should invite them round to show them how it is done. Show Stendel a bit of Christmas spirit.

[matty_f]

The other thing to note from this was that despite making a big song and dance about how their stand would be income generating with offices let out, they've said they can't do it because it costs too much with too little return.

They are genuinely an absolute shambles.

[007]

MacPhee and Levein are sharing the director of football role. One works from home and the other doesn't come in until the afternoon when training's over?!

Budge is clearly out of her depth here if she expects anyone to see that as anything but a crackpot way to run a football club.

As for the 'new' stand...still at least £1.5 million away from completion so the entire second floor apparetnly lies unused for the foreseeable future. This is a structure that was originally supposed to cost £12 million (which even at that price seemed steep for a single tier stand). What has the price risen to since then? Almost double that??

As discussed before, you have to ask what Budge's reputation as a 'businesswoman' is based on.

It was on special offer, 1 for the price of 2.

[HoboHarry]

:faf:

ER pitch is in good nick. Maybe we should invite them round to show them how it is done. Show Stendel a bit of Christmas spirit.
By the state of him in the first interview, he's no stranger to spirits......

[grunt]

As discussed before, you have to ask what Budge's reputation as a 'businesswoman' is based on.

That's actually quite a simple question. She and her business partner built their software company up from scratch and sold it for millions to a French company.

[Hibeesmad]

The fact they have made the people who brought in the players that sees them fighting relegation as the ones overseeing further transfer recruitment gives me more hope they will at minimum be in the play offs at the end of the season. I think Stendel will walk by February/March.

[Bostonhibby]

The other thing to note from this was that despite making a big song and dance about how their stand would be income generating with offices let out, they've said they can't do it because it costs too much with too little return.

They are genuinely an absolute shambles.I'm sure I heard they were miles ahead on this one [emoji23][emoji23]

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[PatHead]

You would think but I bet no one asked!

The majority have been brought up with this financial filing and they are at it again. This is FACT (they don’t do this) and mentioning the £400,000 deficit prices this.

Berra, ratboy, whelan snd I’m sure many others will be in upwards of £5k a week (I’m not itk on this). £8 million wage bill would possibly back this up.

They only know one way and they will continue but there will come a time when the donations will stop!


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Saw the news tonight and some genius shareholder said there were a few concerns but at least the financial figures were good.

What planet is that spam from?

[Joe6-2]

Hilarious - Medals Mackay (who calls it Heart of Midlothian Football Club) is now agreeing with radges at the AGM who have demanded that Gary Locke does the dressing room "gee up" ahead of the derby :faf:

Desperation and fear!

[Bostonhibby]

Saw the news tonight and some genius shareholder said there were a few concerns but at least the financial figures were good.

What planet is that spam from?Maybe he meant everyone on Hibs.net thought they were good. I know I do.

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[green day]

The other thing to note from this was that despite making a big song and dance about how their stand would be income generating with offices let out, they've said they can't do it because it costs too much with too little return.

They are genuinely an absolute shambles.

Yes, and the other "income generating" news was the fall off in hospitality bookings, which "genius Budge" put down to "lower crowds"..........

There was acknowledgement by her that - without the donators, their cashflow was up **** creek and that the money had been used to pay (these !!) players wages.

The guys in the studio were scathing about the chances of them offloading in January due to the mental salaries they are paying.

And - it has to be said - fair play to Brian McG for posing the questions, recording the answers and putting them out tonight.

I suspect there might be a few of the radges starting to understand - if it was us I would be worried :na na:

Funny as ****, mind :greengrin:greengrin

[Barney McGrew]

Given that those accounts are only up to the end of June and they won’t include what they are now paying for the likes of Whelan and Naismith on his permanent deal, I would suspect their position now is even more shaky.

Those donations from the mystery benefactors won’t keep rolling in forever, and with the team they’ve got now there’s no danger they’ll get to another Scottish Cup final to boost their coffers.

I believe the phrase “tick tick” might need dusted off again soon......

[Aldo]

Saw the news tonight and some genius shareholder said there were a few concerns but at least the financial figures were good.

What planet is that spam from?

Few concerns OMG it’s laughable. They have a 400k budget deficit and it’s only December. The new manager wants new players and his coaches but neither can come in because they cannot afford to.

I really do wonder what their finances would actually be like without the donations??

Throwing big wages at ageing players has got them where???? An £8 million pound wage bill.

It will never ever sink in with them and the generations of them used to this see no wrong!

I’ve just had a thought (dangerous I know) say they had 15,000 ST and they cost say 500 a piece. That’s only £7 million quid! There wage bill is £8 million FFS they are in the ****


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[Kato]

Few concerns OMG it’s laughable. They have a 400k budget deficit and it’s only December. The new manager wants new players and his coaches but neither can come in because they cannot afford to.

I really do wonder what their finances would actually be like without the donations??

Throwing big wages at ageing players has got them where???? An £8 million pound wage bill.

It will never ever sink in with them and the generations of them used to this see no wrong!

I’ve just had a thought (dangerous I know) say they had 15,000 ST and they cost say 500 a piece. That’s only £7 million quid! There wage bill is £8 million FFS they are in the ****


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[Aldo]

Erm, 5-1 .

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Funnily enough!!!!!!

I’ve seen plenty of those in last few days. But you missed the jealous peg selling spoon burning hobo!


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[Phil MaGlass]

She´s a canny business woman awrite,
canny finish the stand
canny afford tae pay oaf Levein and McPhee
canny get us a view ay the castle
canny have a decent working pitch,
canny stop Hobos laughin at us :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

canny, canny, canny last long.

[RyeSloan]

The other thing to note from this was that despite making a big song and dance about how their stand would be income generating with offices let out, they've said they can't do it because it costs too much with too little return.

They are genuinely an absolute shambles.

Is there a link to this comedy?

[Hibeesmad]

All those millions wasted just to finish above us and they are 10 points behind in a season where we have been pish. They be dead this time next year.

[Phil MaGlass]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...ge/7/#comments

[Waxy]

She actually looks totally stressed and probably needs to retire.

[Joe6-2]

All those millions wasted just to finish above us and they are 10 points behind in a season where we have been pish. They be dead this time next year.

Don’t you dare get my hopes up!

[HibbyAndy]

Just been on Kickback for the 1st time in about 10 years when i used to wind them up !!

They get it , They realize they are genuinely in a relegation battle , ****ing pleasing :cb:cb

[Kato]

canny finish the stand

This post on gitback asking the pertinent questions......

John mcCartney***

[https://www]

Posted*1 hour ago

**1 hour ago, luckydug said:

I take it you didn't make it along to the AGM to put that point.*
It's easier to bellyache and*make libellous insinuations on JKB though.*
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*
Apologies for above post,was distracted when writing at some point and made a James Hunt of it.
Utter nonsense to say libellous and it aint a bellyache.Im seriously concerned with*the amount of dough heading to JB,I couldnt have made a contribution to question time today as Im not a shareholder anyway.
In short I reckon the bloke has had*a blank cheque issued to him.Any job thats went to cost double in the end should have an investigation into the matter done.All the extras as well,what were the extras exactly ???
Is there any indication of overtime rates being introduced to have the job finished asap*? if so,I suppose that goes a small way to explaining the spiralled costs.

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He doesn't seem to realise that the construction phase lacked an architect and a professional site manager, so the whole thing was a complete ferrago. A money pit.

Saying that an expensive investigation, where all the linen, clean or dirty, gets dragged out for all to see seems right. Would be especially interested in the evidence for the "Castle View" farce and the "Right Gaffer, that's us ready to install the seats. Where are they by the way?" bit. Also maybe ask why it seems so rusty already.

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[Waxy]

The other three stands were only meant to last 25 years. Cant remember when they built them.

[Pretty Boy]

There must be £1.5M in 2p coins in that big cow by now.

What a ****ing shambles of a club.

[jacomo]

With Alessio being emptied at Killie today, just wondering if Stendel is looking at other clubs in the division with brighter prospects than the one he is at?

Allegedly he’s got form for that sort of thing.

[Jones28]

The other three stands were only meant to last 25 years. Cant remember when they built them.
Are the not older than the famous five and south stands?

[we are hibs]

Whats the deal with Naismith? Injured again?

That 4 year deal looking like a great piece of business now if he can't keep himself fit more than a couple of games at a time. I know a couple of jambos at work starting to get a bit frustrated with it.

Hes back training for them.

[04Sauzee]

Are the not older than the famous five and south stands?

Built between 94 and 97

[jacomo]

The other three stands were only meant to last 25 years. Cant remember when they built them.


Mid 1990s.

To be fair, loads of built structures with a 25 year life span remain in use for much longer. But still... hardly reassuring for them is it?

[Since452]

Stendel will turn this around. We'll just ignore Saturday and St Johnstone's first away win in 500 years after being sussed out by Tommy Wright. We'll just also ignore his horrendous record this season at his previous club. He'll turn it around. FTH

[jgl07]

The Wheatfield Stand was built in 1994, the same time as the North and South Stands at Hibs.

The Roseburn Stand was built in 1995 and the Gorgie Road Stand in 1997. I seem to recall Tynecastle having an ‘Open Air’ seated area at the Gorgie Road end for the ‘Gordon Hunter’ derby with the Roseburn end a demolition site.

The three stands constructed in the 1990s were all very cheap and nasty. Certainly when compared to Easter Road. The thumbprints of Wallace Mercer were all over the whole 1990s development even though he sold the club long before it was complete. Corners were cut everywhere

[FilipinoHibs]

That's actually quite a simple question. She and her business partner built their software company up from scratch and sold it for millions to a French company.

Very different creating a disrupting IT business that is sold for millions to running a football club which is multifaceted. Look at the number of successful IT start ups that are sold for a fortune and eventually the founders are disposed off because they do not have the business acumen to run a larger maturing company.

[hibbyfraelibby]

That's actually quite a simple question. She and her business partner built their software company up from scratch and sold it for millions to a French company.

Budge was the minority partner. Alison Newell was the real brains and her devision to retire and take a wadge of Euros forced Granny Queen Doctor Mrs Budge's hand

[PatHead]

She´s a canny business woman awrite,
canny finish the stand
canny afford tae pay oaf Levein and McPhee
canny get us a view ay the castle
canny have a decent working pitch,
canny stop Hobos laughin at us :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

canny, canny, canny last long.

Love it.

You could add.....
Canny stop spending the Federation's money
Canny stop Hearts falling to equal bottom of the league

[TheGreenMan]

A song for the Derby to sum up the agm 😂

(tune of Warburton song)

The pitch it is a shambles
Ann Budge she blames the shade
The stand still isn't finished
Cos Budge still hasn't paid
So lets all laugh at jambos, listen to them moan
Cos Levein's on the backshift
And Macphee works from home

😂

[FilipinoHibs]

This post on gitback asking the pertinent questions......

John mcCartney***

[https://www]

Posted*1 hour ago

**1 hour ago, luckydug said:

I take it you didn't make it along to the AGM to put that point.*
It's easier to bellyache and*make libellous insinuations on JKB though.*
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*
Apologies for above post,was distracted when writing at some point and made a James Hunt of it.
Utter nonsense to say libellous and it aint a bellyache.Im seriously concerned with*the amount of dough heading to JB,I couldnt have made a contribution to question time today as Im not a shareholder anyway.
In short I reckon the bloke has had*a blank cheque issued to him.Any job thats went to cost double in the end should have an investigation into the matter done.All the extras as well,what were the extras exactly ???
Is there any indication of overtime rates being introduced to have the job finished asap*? if so,I suppose that goes a small way to explaining the spiralled costs.

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He doesn't seem to realise that the construction phase lacked an architect and a professional site manager, so the whole thing was a complete ferrago. A money pit.

Saying that an expensive investigation, where all the linen, clean or dirty, gets dragged out for all to see seems right. Would be especially interested in the evidence for the "Castle View" farce and the "Right Gaffer, that's us ready to install the seats. Where are they by the way?" bit. Also maybe ask why it seems so rusty already.

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JB being Jim Brydon her brother who owns JB Contracting. Suggested on another post that he was the mysterious donator. His company has £1 million in assets of which £700,000 is outstanding debt for work that has been completed. Probably, Hearts are the debtor.

[jacomo]

JB being Jim Brydon her brother who owns JB Contracting. Suggested on another post that he was the mysterious donator. His company has £1 million in assets of which £700,000 is outstanding debt for work that has been completed. Probably, Hearts are the debtor.


You’d think they’d be asking more questions about that. Budge gets her brother to do the stand, it’s a massive screw up and twice over budget, but it’s ok because some magnificent mysterious backers have got it covered.

It’s a story, no?

[Mikey]

Alarm bells should be tuning that they have a £400,000 deficit in the budget......

Surely all they have to do is chuck in a quid each :dunno:

[Joe6-2]

A song for the Derby to sum up the agm 😂

(tune of Warburton song)

The pitch it is a shambles
Ann Budge she blames the shade
The stand still isn't finished
Cos Budge still hasn't paid
So lets all laugh at jambos, listen to them moan
Cos Levein's on the backshift
And Macphee works from home

😂

👍

[Joe6-2]

You’d think they’d be asking more questions about that. Budge gets her brother to do the stand, it’s a massive screw up and twice over budget, but it’s ok because some magnificent mysterious backers have got it covered.

It’s a story, no?

He’s a Hibby

[Peevemor]

You’d think they’d be asking more questions about that. Budge gets her brother to do the stand, it’s a massive screw up and twice over budget, but it’s ok because some magnificent mysterious backers have got it covered.

It’s a story, no?Knowing the guy and the company in question of old, being essentially joiners, I'd imagine they were only involved in the internal fit-outs, probably being paid on a time and materials basis due to the design changing from day to day.

Jim's a good guy and always struck me as being very honest. I'd be very surprised if he was pocketing squillions from the Tynie project.

[Deansy]

There must be £1.5M in 2p coins in that big cow by now.

What a ****ing shambles of a club.


Nah - gets emptied at the end of every day to avoid temptation !

[1875godsgift]

Nah - gets emptied at the end of every day to avoid temptation !

Ah, so that's why Levein only works in the afternoon....

[FitbaFolkKen]

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[FilipinoHibs]

You’d think they’d be asking more questions about that. Budge gets her brother to do the stand, it’s a massive screw up and twice over budget, but it’s ok because some magnificent mysterious backers have got it covered.

It’s a story, no?

Yes but news ignoring. Think when Budge is gone it will come out in the wash. Part of the £1.5 million to finish stand is probably some the money her brother's company is owed. Maybe why she us staying on a year beyond when she is supposed to be paid back so that she sees he gets is money.

[FilipinoHibs]

Knowing the guy and the company in question of old, being essentially joiners, I'd imagine they were only involved in the internal fit-outs, probably being paid on a time and materials basis due to the design changing from day to day.

Jim's a good guy and always struck me as being very honest. I'd be very surprised if he was pocketing squillions from the Tynie project.

Agree and he still appears to be owed a considerable amount for work that his company completed. 70% of his assets according to company house.

[SMAXXA]

There must be £1.5M in 2p coins in that big cow by now.

What a ****ing shambles of a club.

That’s no a very nice way to refer to Dr Budge

[Coco Bryce]

JB being Jim Brydon her brother who owns JB Contracting. Suggested on another post that he was the mysterious donator. His company has £1 million in assets of which £700,000 is outstanding debt for work that has been completed. Probably, Hearts are the debtor.

The fact he's a Hibby makes this all so much sweeter :agree:

[Aldo]

The fact he's a Hibby makes this all so much sweeter :agree:

[emoji23]

So they owe him 700k, they have a £400k deficit and £1.5 million (minimum) to finish the Megastand.... pleasing.

We all know what happens when they owe folk money don’t we?


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[Col2]

I don’t get it.

Chic Young and Derek Ferguson and Billy Dodds etc on sportsound said Budge could be the next SPFL CEO a few years back. She was in the job 5 mins and they were claiming that we had some sort of visionary on our hands...

More recently the pundits and journos were saying she lacked football knowledge but was still a brilliant business woman, “look at what she has done off the park”....

Yet today she has been responsible for a one tier stand that is 90% over budget and contracted to her brother in law 👀 , a £1m hibrid pitch which looks like the meadows, a £9m player cost for a bloated bunch of total wasters and a club that relies on benefactors and fan donations to make ends meet. The club could in theory go bust AGAIN if they are relegated before she even hands the shares over to the gorgie cardigan wearing bowling club committee..

Wow a true genius.

[Hibs4185]

I don’t get it.

Chic Young and Derek Ferguson and Billy Dodds etc on sportsound said Budge could be the next SPFL CEO a few years back. She was in the job 5 mins and they were claiming that we had some sort of visionary on our hands...

More recently the pundits and journos were saying she lacked football knowledge but was still a brilliant business woman, “look at what she has done off the park”....

Yet today she has been responsible for a one tier stand that is 90% over budget and contracted to her brother in law 👀 , a £1m hibrid pitch which looks like the meadows and a £9m player cost for a bloated bunch of total wasters.

Wow a true genius.

That’s a bit unfair to the meadows! The grass is far better at the meadows.

[Since452]

[emoji23]

So they owe him 700k, they have a £400k deficit and £1.5 million (minimum) to finish the Megastand.... pleasing.

We all know what happens when they owe folk money don’t we?


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They owe it to themselves. It's like when I spend £100 on my credit card. It's my credit card therefore I owe it to myself not the provider. Might pay myself back might not doesn't matter because it's owed to me. Same rules apply with with the giant glass curtain world wonder megastand or anything else Homfc do.

[Barney McGrew]

At this rate of ploughing through money again, they’ll have next years seasons on sale by February to plug the gap

[greenginger]

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/hearts-could-be-in-fans-hands-by-february/

Budge has said she may complete the handover by February. What a great situation for the biggest fan owned club in the country to kick off with.

[Bostonhibby]

At this rate of ploughing through money again, they’ll have next years seasons on sale by February to plug the gapThey could always have another share issue to the Duncans, you know, like that savvy businessman Romanov did.

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[FilipinoHibs]

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/hearts-could-be-in-fans-hands-by-february/

Budge has said she may complete the handover by February. What a great situation for the biggest fan owned club in the country to kick off with.

On course and could be February or March. She keeps the donators up to date on how Hearts are wasting their money. They don't want any say over how it is spent. Can you believe any of that. Particularly, has she had to make a further lian if £2 million to Hearts. Why did the donators not stump then
I still think it us Queen B herself.

[Treadstone]

Have I dreamt this or is she still going to be chief executive after the handover?

[Bostonhibby]

Have I dreamt this or is she still going to be chief executive after the handover?I have the same dream, we really need more of the same. If anything I'm hoping she can convince Levein to stay indefinitely, but only coming in between 2am and 245am on the last Wednesday of the month to turn all the pictures in Stehndal's office upside down.

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[FilipinoHibs]

Have I dreamt this or is she still going to be chief executive after the handover?

She said when results were announced she would stay on for another year to smooth the transition (try and get as much of her money back as possible).

Sometimes dreams do come true.

[Kato]

JB being Jim Brydon her brother who owns JB Contracting. Suggested on another post that he was the mysterious donator. His company has £1 million in assets of which £700,000 is outstanding debt for work that has been completed. Probably, Hearts are the debtor.At one point her brother was only charged with fitting and arranging the building works for the temporary changing rooms and tunnel. I don't think he was anything to do with the New old looking stand. Maybe that changed in time. The new stand was built by the guy who built the bus shelter parts of the ground.

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[Bostonhibby]

She said when results were announced she would stay on for another year to smooth the transition (try and get as much if her money back as possible).

Sometimes dreams do come true.Aw man........https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191218/6edea3460a460c4808a28db1a404a37c.gif

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[Carheenlea]

Might not be long before the Jumble Sales are being set up again down Gorgie Road

[Peevemor]

At one point her brother was only charged with fitting and arranging the building works for the temporary changing rooms and tunnel. I don't think he was anything to do with the New old looking stand. Maybe that changed in time. The new stand was built by the guy who built the bus shelter parts of the ground.

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In the first instance JB did the changing rooms etc. in the Wheatfield. They have since done fitting out work in the new stand.

As for the guy who did the rest of the ground, I don't know if you're speaking about the kid-on architect but he was sacked during the construction of the main stand.

[FilipinoHibs]

At one point her brother was only charged with fitting and arranging the building works for the temporary changing rooms and tunnel. I don't think he was anything to do with the New old looking stand. Maybe that changed in time. The new stand was built by the guy who built the bus shelter parts of the ground.

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Difficult to tell exactly how involved he became. But unpaid debts went from £450k at end March 2018 to £730k at end March 2019. For a company of 9 people that is considerable. Maybe explains the JB Contractor advertising at Tinycastle. Thrown in free while he waits to get paid.

[Smartie]

Might not be long before the Jumble Sales are being set up again down Gorgie Road

The National Grid reported a bizarre power surge as 400,000 ovens were simultaneously started up in the Edinburgh area.

[jacomo]

Have I dreamt this or is she still going to be chief executive after the handover?


Yes but possibly working from home (just the mornings or all day)?

:wink:

[FilipinoHibs]

This thread is such a hoot and they are playing Celtic tonight. There is going to be so much more material by midnight.

[Springbank]

Interesting fact, but the Finance Director at Hearts is called Jacqui Duncan

#Allisbarry

[Since452]

This thread is such a hoot and they are playing Celtic tonight. There is going to be so much more material by midnight.

I think that Ping-pong boy will destroy them. Looks some talent

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/hearts-could-be-in-fans-hands-by-february/

Budge has said she may complete the handover by February. What a great situation for the biggest fan owned club in the country to kick off with.What a photo on that page.

Looks like Yoda with a wig on!

[007]

What a photo on that page.

Looks like Yoda with a wig on!

"Relegated we will be."

[Treadstone]

What a photo on that page.

Looks like Yoda with a wig on!

She always puts me in mind of this.

https://youtu.be/8SGtO2MsJ8Y

[Waxy]

What a photo on that page.

Looks like Yoda with a wig on!
Rust our stand will.

[matty_f]

I can't believe the FoH aren't up in arms at what amounts to gross mis-management of their club (or soon-to-be their club).

Can you imagine how different their fortunes would be if that additional £12m or so had been put into players rather than a stand which isn't going to deliver anywhere near what they hoped for. They'd be out of reach of us, and most of the rest of the league. The fact that they still need to find funds to finish it AND repay her is incredible.

If you actually step back and look at their situation, it's staggeringly bad. It's hilarious, but from their point of view, horrendous.

If there aren't already massive alarm bells ringing in their support, there should be. Everything they touch at the moment turns to keech. We joke about laughing stocks etc, but they actually are a laughing stock at the moment. The only crumb of comfort they've had in 12 months is a relatively flukey win at Easter Road. That's the sum of it. And it cost them millions and millions of pounds.

[Smartie]

Rust our stand will.

Locked in the toilet he is.

[Kato]

I can't believe the FoH aren't up in arms at what amounts to gross mis-management of their club (or soon-to-be their club).



Only a few would admit that openly as it's a massive loss of face. Those who live in the real world will be shouted down by the "Big Team" flump-zoomers.

[matty_f]

Only a few would admit that openly as it's a massive loss of face. Those who live in the real world will be shouted down by the "Big Team" flump-zoomers.

You'd think the FoH directors would be up in arms about it - this is essentially their investment and asset that's getting mucked about with.

[Kato]

You'd think the FoH directors would be up in arms about it - this is essentially their investment and asset that's getting mucked about with.

As someone above said, maybe time to dust down the old adage -- - "tick tock".

[Treadstone]

You'd think the FoH directors would be up in arms about it - this is essentially their investment and asset that's getting mucked about with.

That Stuart guy who is now on the board I think seems to be above scrutiny. Some gig.

[Hibby70]

What a photo on that page.

Looks like Yoda with a wig on!

Fear of losing the first goal leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

[green day]

That Stuart guy who is now on the board I think seems to be above scrutiny. Some gig.

Think he is an Investment Banker?

Actually, when you use rhyming slang, all of them are :greengrin

[bringbackbenny]

Locked in the toilet he is.

Knowledge of the Crapper he has.

[Waxy]

Knowledge of the Crapper he has.

Tracing paper toilet roll we must use.

[matty_f]

As someone above said, maybe time to dust down the old adage -- - "tick tock".

I don't think they're in any financial danger, but they're going to have a reality check when the time comes to cut the cloth to what the business can sustain.

I suppose in theory that the extra money going in could continue indefinitely, but I don't think that's really a)likely or b) sustainable for planning.

[JeMeSouviens]

What a photo on that page.

Looks like Yoda with a wig on!

Tangential - but here's Gordon Strachan recruiting for the Celtc dark side - "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hoops ..."

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article21104067.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_JS201403336.jpg

[JohnMcM]

Interesting fact, but the Finance Director at Hearts is called Jacqui Duncan

#Allisbarry

No!
Stop it!
Stop it now!!!!
I'm busting another few inches of gut again, and I've got hardly any left after reading this thread.

:lolyam::faf::faf:

[Bostonhibby]

No!
Stop it!
Stop it now!!!!
I'm busting another few inches of gut again, and I've got hardly any left after reading this thread.

[emoji38]yam::faf::faf:Her sister's called Duncan Duncan.

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[StevesFamau5]

Interesting fact, but the Finance Director at Hearts is called Jacqui Duncan

#AllisbarryDoes she drive a claret Rover?

A maroon Lexus would be just as funny though [emoji1787]

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[marleyhib]

Tangential - but here's Gordon Strachan recruiting for the Celtc dark side - "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hoops ..."



Loving that Idles reference

[Springbank]

Does she drive a claret Rover?

A maroon Lexus would be just as funny though [emoji1787]

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Not sure, but I do hope she hits Ann Budge with an old joke every so often

Duncan: Knock Knock

Budge: Who's there

Duncan: Duncan

Budge: Duncan Who?

Duncan make yer million pound pitch look a bit less shan if you spread it evenly across the surface, Queen Ann:na na:

[cocteautwin]

Budge states that they are £400k behind budget.

This £400k figure is a red herring to deflect the severity of HMFC financial issues. This BUDGEt is nothing but an internal financial plan which will never be made public. It’s not some minor (and manageable) £400k they need to find to get them through to seasons end. This £400k number is merely a statement to show they are only a little behind their own internal budget. The fact they are £400k behind budget is meaningless information without us knowing what that BUDGEt might have been in the first place.

The true figure for what they need to see them through to the end of the season can be deduced from their latest accounts to 30 June which show an already spent £4-5m of early season ticket money. If HMFC don’t get to the Scottish cup final again, then here’s a gap of c£500k compared to last year. On top of this, they’ll probably get through close to £500k extra on the recruitment of a new management team and perhaps severance payments for dead wood hanging around Tynecastle. The increased wage bill compared to last season is going to hurt them also. The extra cash needed for the year to 30 June 2020 probably will be over £5m.

To say that they are only £400k behind is disingenuous and deflects from the true financial position. The question the HMFC fans should have been asking was “How much cash is needed to see us through to end of the season?”

Without knowing how deep the pockets of the donors are, it’s impossible to say how close HMFC are to financial ruin but as the additional cash spent by HMFC since Admin approaches £30m it’s difficult not to stand back and look on in astonishment at the total of the amounts being burnt through.

One does wonder if the faint rhythmic pattern in the background (that for now only those with Hibee hearing might notice), is the start of the tick and the tock of the countdown clock that regularly looms over those of our country’s football clubs who are unable to operate within the narrow financial parameters to which football in Scotland restricts us.

[Col2]

Wallace as FoH chairman is by all accounts a very passive individual.

What the Hearts fans need or needed (as too late now) was a healthy tension but productive relationship between FoH and Budge. Instead the only public commentary from Wallace appears to be asking Queen Ann when she wants the cash and where to send it.

The governance model which is ultimately key to how fan involvement will work in the future has been diluted to the point that even the happy clappers in kickback more recently started to question the changes. In simple terms There will be two directors representing the fans on the future board but ALL day to day decisions will be through CEO and overall board. Budge may well be handing over the club to the fans but don’t expect a jot of difference while Budge is still in charge. It will always be her club, her toy and her ego trip.

As others have reflected in 5.5 years what have they achieved and what resources have they wasted? They have won a championship trophy. They has played in Europe once and were humiliated. They are bottom of the league and facing amongst other things a 3rd year in a row behind ourselves.

They have overspent c£10m on a one tier stand. They have taken in £9m from FoH and they have received c£6m from mystery benefactors. Even if you deduct the amount needed to pay for shares £2.5m and make allowances for post admin club working capital and financing they have STILL MANAGED TO WASTE £15m+ on zero success, terrible football, a dreadful bloated overpaid squad, an academy that produced little if anything and an army of shocking coaches.

Quite astonishing and I can guarantee when Budge goes the benefactors will disappear and the FoH direct debits will dry up.

[Joe6-2]

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/hearts-could-be-in-fans-hands-by-february/

Budge has said she may complete the handover by February. What a great situation for the biggest fan owned club in the country to kick off with.

She obviously wants out!

[greenginger]

Think he is an Investment Banker?

Actually, when you use rhyming slang, all of them are :greengrin


According to the directors entry on Foundation of Hearts Companies House list , Stuart Wallace is a director with PWC LLP. He’s an accountant.

[Speedway]

I don't think they're in any financial danger, but they're going to have a reality check when the time comes to cut the cloth to what the business can sustain.

I suppose in theory that the extra money going in could continue indefinitely, but I don't think that's really a)likely or b) sustainable for planning.


To be fair Matty, we’ve heard the ‘this spending can’t be sustained’ since the pieman days and we were all on here with the Cala homes ‘tick tock’ chat.

Yet their ability to fall into **** and emerge smelling of jam is unparalleled in Scottish football.

[04Sauzee]

The team Hearts have announced tonight is utter jobbies.

Stendel either trying to work his ticket out of there already or trying to make the point he needs funds in January.

[Aldo]

The team Hearts have announced tonight is utter jobbies.

Stendel either trying to work his ticket out of there already or trying to make the point he needs funds in January.

That is a team to do things imho..... shut up shop and to protect Berra


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[Since452]

The team Hearts have announced tonight is utter jobbies.

Stendel either trying to work his ticket out of there already or trying to make the point he needs funds in January.

Seriously bad.

[Smartie]

It’s games like this that make me want to start gambling again.

[jgl07]

To be fair Matty, we’ve heard the ‘this spending can’t be sustained’ since the pieman days and we were all on here with the Cala homes ‘tick tock’ chat.

Yet their ability to fall into **** and emerge smelling of jam is unparalleled in Scottish football.

After a major insolvency event!

[Joe6-2]

Is there any chance, however small, that lot could come away with anything tonight?!

[Jack Hackett]

Is there any chance, however small, that lot could come away with anything tonight?!

Boris Johnson is Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Donald Trump is President of the United States. :wink:

[Rocky]

Is there any chance, however small, that lot could come away with anything tonight?!

Well I'm hoping they come away with a 5-1 humping to bring my coupon up.

[Joe6-2]

Well I'm hoping they come away with a 5-1 humping to bring my coupon up.

😂😂

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Stendel's a slaver.

[Scottie]

Stendel's a slaver.
:agree: He reminds me of the 'Rev I AM Jolly'

[04Sauzee]

Stole this of Twitter

Hearts new groundsmen revealed 😂

[Sammy7nil]

After a major insolvency event!

That had no impact on them what so ever other than access to credit .

[O'Rourke3]

I can't believe the FoH aren't up in arms at what amounts to gross mis-management of their club (or soon-to-be their club).

Can you imagine how different their fortunes would be if that additional £12m or so had been put into players rather than a stand which isn't going to deliver anywhere near what they hoped for. They'd be out of reach of us, and most of the rest of the league. The fact that they still need to find funds to finish it AND repay her is incredible.

If you actually step back and look at their situation, it's staggeringly bad. It's hilarious, but from their point of view, horrendous.

If there aren't already massive alarm bells ringing in their support, there should be. Everything they touch at the moment turns to keech. We joke about laughing stocks etc, but they actually are a laughing stock at the moment. The only crumb of comfort they've had in 12 months is a relatively flukey win at Easter Road. That's the sum of it. And it cost them millions and millions of pounds.Matty, great post except you forget they would not have a main stand as it was going to be shut down. The funding would be great but even Hearts could not survvive the red neck of a condemmed main stand (or an unusable listed building). The "we can do this in 6 months" was an hilarious slapstick comedy. That threadneeds a quick bump.

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[Speedway]

After a major insolvency event!

Which they escaped.

[FilipinoHibs]

I don't think they're in any financial danger, but they're going to have a reality check when the time comes to cut the cloth to what the business can sustain.

I suppose in theory that the extra money going in could continue indefinitely, but I don't think that's really a)likely or b) sustainable for planning.

Yes I think that is the real issue. Once Budge gone the anonymous donations will mysteriously stop. FOH will see most DDs stop too. They will be left on the real income of season ticket sales and some TV money plus merchandising and match day entertainment. They will be left with an unfinished stand and having to cut the playing staff and off loading high earners - some will be difficult to shift such as Naismith and Berra. They will have no access to credit and still have to pay back the second loan to Budge (£2 million). The standard of squad will not only drop in size but in standard as well. They look to be a bottom 6 side at best for some time.

[Since452]

Worst new manager bounce in history?

[Treadstone]

Worst new manager bounce in history?

Just read the EEN reports and reaction. Plenty are happy with that. They're in bigger trouble than I thought.

[Diclonius]

Calderwood lost his first four games, the fourth being a home derby against Hearts.

I still think we're going to have the pull all the stops to get a win at Tynecastle. They will up their game against us no matter who the manager is. How many times have we seen this before?

[Not In The Know]

She obviously wants out!

Let’s be honest here between mystery benefactors and FoH they have received 18m quid more than any team out the old firm.

That’s incredible!

What’s more incredible is that they have *****ed it all. Are running at a loss. Need new players and can’t afford any. Their pitch is crap. Shan stand that is unfinished and 10mill over budget. Bottom of the league. 5 senior coaches on gardening leave that they can’t afford to payoff.

Budgie should be getting marched out the door. The Duncan’s are once again hiding their head in the sand clinging onto the idea they are the big club.

Hilarious and long may it continue.