The generic Hearts thread

[FilipinoHibs]

Very interesting, and even more so to hear they’ve already had approaches from various potential investors.

Who the hell would invest them? You are guaranteed to loose money and never get rid if your shares.

[cocteautwin]

They havent played on a level playing field for decades.The day will come when they’ll have no choice.

I think this is the whole point of the change in the clause that makes it easier for the fans to give up ownership. If someone comes along and flashes a bit of cash they can continue the overspending model that they've been following for the last 30 or so years (including these few years under the current owners).

[cocteautwin]

Who the hell would invest in them? You are guaranteed to loose money and never get rid if your shares.

That's a question that should be asked of anyone buying a football club. You've got to have some level of crazy inside you to want to be a football club owner.

[FilipinoHibs]

£6.5m is the figure spent on connected party services (with JB Contracts) during the construction to date of the stand. I'm so sad I counted back to make sure. :greengrin

Probably just incompetent planning of the construction of the stand. Although if I had put in £10m and watched £6m+ disappear to the family of a board member, I'd certainly be questioning the whole thing. Unless the donor and the donee belonged to the same family . . . . . . . .

Thanks for that. Looks like they still owe JB some money. So the bulk of the anonymous donations have flown through to JB Contractors. A total of £6.5 million. But JB is showing only £0.25 million cash in their annual accounts and still owed £0 75 million. A return of £1 million for a £7.25 million contract looks not too bad. But bulk of profit still owed.

[Hibs4185]

Very interesting, and even more so to hear they’ve already had approaches from various potential investors.

You have to take everything they say with a pinch of salt. I’m sure they said Old budgey took a call from RG before he bought us. It’s like everything they come out with. Best atmosphere, best hospitality in Scotland, most managed pitch in the world, RG and Leeann visiting their fully booked facilities, blah blah blah.

It’s all absolute garbage to keep the masses on side when in reality it’s just a *hit show.

[cocteautwin]

Thanks for that. Looks like they still owe JB some money. So the bulk of the anonymous donations have flown through to JB Contractors. A total of £6.5 million. But JB is showing only £0.25 million cash in their annual accounts and still owed £0 75 million. A return of £1 million for a £7.25 million contract looks not too bad. But bulk of profit still owed.

There's not enough information in the JB Contracts accounts to know how profitable their work with HMFC was. No P&L account is published due to the Company being exempt under the Small Companies Act and also no audit is needed.

If they wanted to push a load of cash though JB Contracts they could pay in the amounts from HMFC each year and then pay out to Directors as dividends in the same financial year, before the year end, so the cash doesn't appear in the balance sheet at the year end. As long as turnover remains below £10m, assets below £5.1m and employees below 50 (3 conditions that exist in JBC) then there's no need to publish a P&L account which would give details of profitability. Although after receiving cash of £6m plus from HMFC the net assets of JBC remain low at just a few hundred £000 except for in 2019 when the balance due from, presumably, HMFC was high. So, either the contracts with HMFC were low in profitability or someone's taken a chunk of dividends each year before year end so the cash doesn't appear in the balance sheet. The weird thing is, employee numbers haven't increased significantly, so these 7 employees must have been working their butts off like blue a$rsed flies for their £6m.

I'm not saying this is what happened though, it would be scandalous to suggest such a thing.

[ancient hibee]

Why,having gone through hoops and poured in millions of pounds to own the club,do FOH officials want to make it easier for someone else to buy it?

[Peevemor]

This JB Contracts thing is growing arms and legs.

Either JB's standing (because he wouldn't be able to sit) with £6m+ in his back pocket or maybe, just maybe, he had to play sub-contractors, suppliers, agencies and his own staff in connection with the work at Tynie.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I think this is the whole point of the change in the clause that makes it easier for the fans to give up ownership. If someone comes along and flashes a bit of cash they can continue the overspending model that they've been following for the last 30 or so years (including these few years under the current owners).

You have to wonder if Budge is behind all this.

1. She is staying on the board (as Chair?)
2. She is remaining CEO
3. Her family is owed £squillions
4. "Mystery" benefactors keeping them afloat.
5. Squad restructring cost beyong FOH resources
6. Her ego wants her to keep the club
7. Ron Gordon buying us has spooked them/her

[Jones28]

Who the hell would invest them? You are guaranteed to loose money and never get rid if your shares.

Exactly.

I smell *****.

[Jones28]

You have to take everything they say with a pinch of salt. I’m sure they said Old budgey took a call from RG before he bought us. It’s like everything they come out with. Best atmosphere, best hospitality in Scotland, most managed pitch in the world, RG and Leeann visiting their fully booked facilities, blah blah blah.

It’s all absolute garbage to keep the masses on side when in reality it’s just a *hit show.

Exactly.

It’s like she’s trying to inflate the interest before shorting them.

[FilipinoHibs]

You have to wonder if Budge is behind all this.

1. She is staying on the board (as Chair?)
2. She is remaining CEO
3. Her family is owed £squillions
4. "Mystery" benefactors keeping them afloat.
5. Squad restructring cost beyong FOH resources
6. Her ego wants her to keep the club
7. Ron Gordon buying us has spooked them/her

Yes there is something very fishy going on. Like the Romanov shenanigans it will eventually all come out in the wash.

[Hibs4185]

You have to wonder if Budge is behind all this.

1. She is staying on the board (as Chair?)
2. She is remaining CEO
3. Her family is owed £squillions
4. "Mystery" benefactors keeping them afloat.
5. Squad restructring cost beyong FOH resources
6. Her ego wants her to keep the club
7. Ron Gordon buying us has spooked them/her

Nobody had heard of Anne budge before she saved hearts. Now she’s getting all these awards and quite well known in the Edinburgh professional scene. Even a Dr nowadays. No chance she is giving up her involvement in them, it keeps her relevant in affluent circles.

[Cataplana]

Why,having gone through hoops and poured in millions of pounds to own the club,do FOH officials want to make it easier for someone else to buy it?

Makes more sense when you realise they are only buying it from themselves.

[cocteautwin]

Yes there is something very fishy going on. Like the Romanov shenanigans it will eventually all come out in the wash.

I’m not convinced there’s anything untoward happening apart from some people with money trying to hide their embarrassment at how much they’ve wasted on their vanity project. Which will be somewhere between £28-30m by seasons end if anyone is interested.

[Since452]

Stendel coming out saying he's going to attack Celtic on Wednesday. Popcorn at the ready

[Smartie]

Stendel coming out saying he's going to attack Celtic on Wednesday. Popcorn at the ready

The charge of the dug***** brigade.

[Hibeesmad]

Hamilton win tonight will put severe pressure on Hearts going into Saturday's game, especially if they lose tomorrow.

[calumhibee1]

Hamilton win tonight will put severe pressure on Hearts going into Saturday's game, especially if they lose tomorrow.

I'm absolutely praying for a Hamilton win, mainly for us to have any chance of catching Aberdeen, but also for the hilarity it would cause seeing Hearts be more than one win away from safety again.

[Since452]

I'm absolutely praying for a Hamilton win, mainly for us to have any chance of catching Aberdeen, but also for the hilarity it would cause seeing Hearts be more than one win away from safety again.

Reading that Aberdeen haven't won in five but a win tonight puts them third. Shows how inconsistent teams are. If we can just get a wee run going!

[bingo70]

Fancy Hamilton to get something tonight.

[FilipinoHibs]

The charge of the dug***** brigade.

With Celtics pace and Hearts high press attack, Hearts are on a hiding.

[04Sauzee]

I am feeling quite envious that Aberdeen have Main playing up front for them this evening.

[Since452]

Very cute over on kickback. Remember when they outgrew Hibs and their main rivals became Celtic? Fast forward a few years and they're now all fawning over Aberdeen hoping they'll take points from their new main rivals Hamilton Accies. Know your place Jambos. Karma

[Squealing pig]

Fancy Hamilton to get something tonight.

🤞

[Tyler Durden]

Tonight is the sort of game that Aberdeen typically win 1-0 with a header from Considine or McKenna. Garbage to watch but effective over the years

[Sprouleflyer]

Fancy Hamilton to get something tonight.

Hope you fancy Ross County tomorrow night :wink:

[matty_f]

Fancy Hamilton to get something tonight.

They’re murder.

[bingo70]

They’re murder.

They’ve done ok recently, think their performances have been better than the results they got against the old firm sides, should have beaten st Mirren and nearly got something from the game against us.

Thought they might have been due a win, hopefully that comes at the weekend though 😉

[Hibeesmad]

Hamilton are not very good but they faced a team with a lot more quality tonight. Saturday will be a game more to their level. I'm calling a score draw this weekend.

[007]

Not necessarily - this is what the FoH letter says; Paragraph 5.3 is quite interesting (for Hearts as well as other fan owned clubs like Well).



Dear Member

We have decided to revisit an important aspect of our future governance arrangements, and we would like your views. We attach a short Q&A with this email, the background to which is set out below.

1. What’s this all about?
Our future governance arrangements contain a restriction on any disposal of the Foundation’s shares in the Club acquired from Bidco. Before such a disposal to a third party can proceed, it must be put to a vote of Foundation members (including Affiliate Members) and sanctioned by a majority of not less than 90% of the votes cast.
The issue is: Is this 90% requirement too high? Should the requirement be reduced to 75%?

2. Why is the board re-opening this topic now?
The review is prompted by two factors. Firstly, feedback at the AGM in December. At that meeting, we were urged to look again at the issue, with views being expressed that 90% was too high. Secondly, awareness of investment trends in Scottish football (see 5.3 below).

We have a window in which to address the topic. At present, if we decide to change the majority requirement, we need a 75% vote in favour at a general meeting of members. However, once the ownership of the Club passes to the Foundation (an event scheduled for April), we would need a 90% vote in favour at a general meeting and the logistics of organising that meeting become more complicated. It therefore makes sense to review the issue over the next few weeks.

3. Was the 90% requirement discussed in the governance consultation?
Yes. The 90% requirement was part of our governance proposals throughout the consultation process which ran from April 2017 to November 2018. At that time, this particular point generated little, if any, comment.
At the end of the consultation period, the members overwhelmingly approved the final proposals. This approval related to the proposals in their totality, and there were no separate votes on any constituent elements of the proposals. The request raised at the AGM is effectively that the 90% requirement should now be considered separately.

4. What are the arguments in favour of a 90% requirement?
[Note: the discussion in 4 and 5 below is framed in terms of the Foundation transferring majority ownership to a new owner. An alternative scenario of the Foundation transferring a minority interest is, however, also possible. The 90% approval requirement would extend to that latter scenario.]

4.1 Transferring majority ownership of the Club to a new owner would undoubtedly be the biggest collective decision the Foundation members would ever take.
We would be deciding who the new owner should be, with all the responsibility that places on us. We would have to decide - are they the right people to own the Club? Will they have the best interests of the Club at heart, and do they have the financial backing to sustain the Club financially?
A decision of this importance should only be taken with the support of a substantial majority of the voting members.

4.2 A meeting to consider a proposed transfer would be organised so as to maximise the voter turnout. Early voting (electronically or by mail) would be possible, as well as voting at the meeting in person or by proxy. A good turnout of members would reduce the risk of a small unrepresentative group of dissident members being able to block the sale. See 5.1 below.

5. What are the arguments against a 90% requirement?
5.1 A 90% majority requirement increases the risk of a small and unrepresentative minority being able to block a sale which might be supported by a large majority of members. Depending on the overall size of the Foundation membership at the time and the proportion of that membership which participates in the vote, the fate of the Club could be decided by a small number of people. This risk would be reduced if the majority requirement was 75%.

5.2 Football regulation has mechanisms to protect clubs against unscrupulous or untrustworthy individuals acquiring ownership. A prospective owner or director must be a fit and proper person, and financial regulations are designed to stop clubs careering into financial turmoil. It is an exaggeration, therefore, to say that a supermajority is required to provide this protection.

[Note: Having said this, it has been suggested at times that the regulatory protections are insufficient in practice, in that prospective owners are not effectively vetted by the football authorities, while financial regulations are subject to numerous caveats and are not strictly enforced. The shortcomings were highlighted by Bury FC, which was expelled from the English Football League in 2019 as a direct result of poor ownership and longstanding financial problems.]

5.3 The Scottish football scene has changed in the past 12-18 months. There has been an increase in external investment into our clubs. A lot of this investment has come from overseas, particularly the US. Scottish clubs are currently seen as viable assets to attract long-term investment. The Scottish Premiership is a very competitive league and the pressure on owners to maintain investment and keep pace with their rivals is intense. If a need for unplanned capital expenditure arises at a club, the fan ownership model is generally not regarded as well-suited to deliver funding.
Approaches to the Club by potential investors have already been made (through Bidco). If this current climate in Scottish football continues, it is possible that such approaches might start to arrive with even greater frequency.
Against that background, it is arguable that a 75% majority requirement would be more appropriate and more in keeping with normal business practice. It provides greater flexibility and room for manoeuvre, while nevertheless still requiring a substantial majority in favour of a sale.

6. How will the views of members on this issue be sought?
We are going to conduct an online survey of our members over a one-week period. Members will be asked to indicate which majority requirement – 90% or 75% - they favour. There is also space in the survey to tell us about any comments, questions or concerns you may have. We will anonymise the identities of respondents.

Don't think much of the argument in favour of the 90% (no. 4). There is nothing in there that is an argument in favour of it and it doesn't appear to be a very balanced piece of writing. Thought the whole point was to prevent a Romanov type character killing the club but there's no reference to the risk of that possible scenario.

[The 90+2]

Tomorrow Stendel will be bottom with his current club and the team he built and was sacked from this season may also be bottom. Yet for some reason both set of fans both love the guy. Imagine Jack had done as poorly as the guy? It’s absolute madness.

[Hibeesmad]

Tomorrow Stendel will be bottom with his current club and the team he built and was sacked from this season may also be bottom. Yet for some reason both set of fans both love the guy. Imagine Jack had done as poorly as the guy? It’s absolute madness.

Am I right thinking that they are still bottom of the form table since his arrival?

[Haymaker]

Am I right thinking that they are still bottom of the form table since his arrival?

Heroic draw against the sheep and a fluke win against the Huns. Doesn't matter the rest.

[Hibeesmad]

Heroic draw against the sheep and a fluke win against the Huns. Doesn't matter the rest.

Stendel is a diamond.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Righteous Individual?

Rabid inbred??

[Since452]

Tomorrow Stendel will be bottom with his current club and the team he built and was sacked from this season may also be bottom. Yet for some reason both set of fans both love the guy. Imagine Jack had done as poorly as the guy? It’s absolute madness.

Two small clubs just happy to be in the league they're in

[Waxy]

Hamilton are not very good but they faced a team with a lot more quality tonight. Saturday will be a game more to their level. I'm calling a score draw this weekend.

Hamilton look pretty rotten. The battle of the rottens this weekend though.

[green day]

Don't think much of the argument in favour of the 90% (no. 4). There is nothing in there that is an argument in favour of it and it doesn't appear to be a very balanced piece of writing. Thought the whole point was to prevent a Romanov type character killing the club but there's no reference to the risk of that possible scenario.

Its an odd one, isnt it?

It shouldnt really be a surprise to them that raising capital as (a) a club recently in admin and (b) fan owned, was always going to be a challenge.

Hearts fans were correctly told that owning 90% of the club means a Romanov II situation is impossible.

On the cusp of fan ownership they are being asked if they want to "move the goalposts a bit". I have no idea the reaction over there, but it would be meltdown on here if the tables were turned.

n.b. This is exactly the same problem that will face Motherwell, debt free or not.

I saw a post from a Motherwell fan elsewhere saying that, although their administration was 20 years ago, they were told at the AGM that they will still find raising money from traditional sources almost impossible (no idea if thats 100% true).

[jacomo]

I believe FOH have received an email from a Nigerian prince who is experiencing a few short term difficulties but is keen to invest much of their £200m fortune into Hearts.

They don’t want any voting technicalities getting in the way.

[Jack]

So if there was a change of ownership, like what happened at Hibs, the new majority shareholder would pay bidco/foh?

Who would get that money? bidco/foh? Would there be a pay out to the members?

How much have they collected? ... and paid in so far?

[Not In The Know]

Its an odd one, isnt it?

It shouldnt really be a surprise to them that raising capital as (a) a club recently in admin and (b) fan owned, was always going to be a challenge.

Hearts fans were correctly told that owning 90% of the club means a Romanov II situation is impossible.

On the cusp of fan ownership they are being asked if they want to "move the goalposts a bit". I have no idea the reaction over there, but it would be meltdown on here if the tables were turned.

n.b. This is exactly the same problem that will face Motherwell, debt free or not.

I saw a post from a Motherwell fan elsewhere saying that, although their administration was 20 years ago, they were told at the AGM that they will still find raising money from traditional sources almost impossible (no idea if thats 100% true).

They’ll go for it. All this self righteous crap about fan ownership was a necessity. They don’t give a dam if they went through another Romanov scenario. Just as long as they had 10 years of overspending (two doped cups) and a few charities robbed, councils and students all thrown in for good measure.

[green day]

So if there was a change of ownership, like what happened at Hibs, the new majority shareholder would pay bidco/foh?

Who would get that money? bidco/foh? Would there be a pay out to the members?

How much have they collected? ... and paid in so far?

Again, this is one of the grey areas of "fan / community ownership" that those fans of it dont mention.

Bidco have an agreement to sell to FoH, that is about to happen.

If a transfer of ownership were to happen, FoH would need a membership vote on it, and clearly the "who gets the cash" question will be front and centre.........not the same but similar to the HSL question about buying up nominee shares currently not in the hands of Ron Gordon.

Their current poll on % of votes cast to dispose of shares will seem like a walk in the park compared to any bunfight if there was a serious bid for Hearts.

As things stand, Hearts cant source outside income, but they have raised £9m from FoH and god knows how much from anonymous people.

They would be right down the crapper without these.............

[FilipinoHibs]

Its an odd one, isnt it?

It shouldnt really be a surprise to them that raising capital as (a) a club recently in admin and (b) fan owned, was always going to be a challenge.

Hearts fans were correctly told that owning 90% of the club means a Romanov II situation is impossible.

On the cusp of fan ownership they are being asked if they want to "move the goalposts a bit". I have no idea the reaction over there, but it would be meltdown on here if the tables were turned.

n.b. This is exactly the same problem that will face Motherwell, debt free or not.

I saw a post from a Motherwell fan elsewhere saying that, although their administration was 20 years ago, they were told at the AGM that they will still find raising money from traditional sources almost impossible (no idea if thats 100% true).

For 30 years Hearts ran their football club by ever mounting overdrafts to banks. That avenue is firmly closed as they essentially defaulted on £70+ million of debt, bankrupting one bank in the process. Since then they have been unable to live within their normal football income. They have relied on monthly contributions from fans; loans from budge and "mysterious" donations. All are likely to dry up. At the same time they have miss managed badly: 100%+ on a new stand; millions wasted on relaying their pitch; poor team manager appointment;: and a bloated squad of over paid mediocre talent. No bank or investor will touch them. They are truly a basket case.

[Greenworld]

So if there was a change of ownership, like what happened at Hibs, the new majority shareholder would pay bidco/foh?

Who would get that money? bidco/foh? Would there be a pay out to the members?

How much have they collected? ... and paid in so far?I'm not 100% on this but I dont think any monies would got to the fans I think a bit similar to Hibs a few million would be put aside for further refurbishment of the stadiam act.
Remember the three old stands are in very poor condition done on the cheap .

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[007]

So if there was a change of ownership, like what happened at Hibs, the new majority shareholder would pay bidco/foh?

Who would get that money? bidco/foh? Would there be a pay out to the members?

How much have they collected? ... and paid in so far?

Good question. Does foh divvy the money up between the 8000 "donators"? Jambos I know make out they're philanthropists of Bill Gates proportions so surely the "donators" aren't expecting anything back.

Newspaper articles from 2014 say Bidco acquired 78.97% and are now saying 75.1% is transferring to the fans.
Is that Budge retaining a 3.87% shareholding for herself? If that is the case then selling the club for £5m would net her approx. £200k which on top of the interest on £2.5m at (6%?) is a tidy sum, even if she has waived interest for a year or 2.

Wonder if it is Budge that is trying to push this change through. It seems to be at very short notice which is a classic scam artist technique i.e. you need to decide now or it is too late. Who brought it up at the agm in December, a Budge stooge perhaps?

[FilipinoHibs]

Good question. Does foh divvy the money up between the 8000 "donators"? Jambos I know make out they're philanthropists of Bill Gates proportions so surely the "donators" aren't expecting anything back.

Newspaper articles from 2014 say Bidco acquired 78.97% and are now saying 75.1% is transferring to the fans.
Is that Budge retaining a 3.87% shareholding for herself? If that is the case then selling the club for £5m would net her approx. £200k which on top of the interest on £2.5m at (6%?) is a tidy sum, even if she has waived interest for a year or 2.

Wonder if it is Budge that is trying to push this change through. It seems to be at very short notice which is a classic scam artist technique i.e. you need to decide now or it is too late. Who brought it up at the agm in December, a Budge stooge perhaps?

Any takeover would have to buy out FOH's 75% stake. FOH maybe through an AGM would decide what to do with money. Players pool or refurbish one of the stands.

[Cataplana]

Any takeover would have to buy out FOH's 75% stake. FOH maybe through an AGM would decide what to do with money. Players pool or refurbish one of the stands.

More likely they would spend it on a big shiny thing which would confirm their world status.

[WhileTheChief..]

An awful lot of wishful thinking here that Budge is trying to scam them.

[Steven79]

An awful lot of wishful thinking here that Budge is trying to scam them.

She already has if they think that stand really cost around £20 million...

[Bostonhibby]

An awful lot of wishful thinking here that Budge is trying to scam them.I agree, She's not, it just that the mismanagement of all that extra cash we keep hearing about is a real hoot, long may it continue. Look where it's got them so far.

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[jacomo]

She already has if they think that stand really cost around £20 million...


:agree:

[007]

An awful lot of wishful thinking here that Budge is trying to scam them.

Maybe scammed them by accident rather than by design. Hired Levein to waste their money on dud players. Paid double for a new stand.

Leave the deliberate scamming to the next owner.

[jacomo]

Maybe scammed them by accident rather than by design. Hired Levein to waste their money on dud players. Paid double for a new stand.

Leave the deliberate scamming to the next owner.


It’s a great defence... if the heat gets too much, Budgie will just fall back on her ‘stupid old biddy’ defence.

“Me, funnelling cash to my brother? Och no I just forgot to order the seats, measure the dressing rooms or have any plan whatsoever for the rooms behind the glass curtain. All these wee things add up. Now, where did I put my keys?”

[cocteautwin]

I agree, She's not, it just that the mismanagement of all that extra cash we keep hearing about is a real hoot, long may it continue. Look where it's got them so far.

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Yup, just incompetence as far as I’m concerned. It’s just fun to keep score on how much they’ve thrown at their Bottom Of The League project. Might be £30m by the end of the season.

[Jack]

Any takeover would have to buy out FOH's 75% stake. FOH maybe through an AGM would decide what to do with money. Players pool or refurbish one of the stands.

That was my original thought but it would mean the new majority shareholder would in fact only pay for half the club as what (s)he's paid to FoH is (immediately) reinvested into the club thereby increasing it's value.

New owner pays £5m for the club. FoH receive the money then reinvest it in the club. The jambos are now worth around £10m.

We've seen from Ron Gordon majority shareholders are keen to have a controlling interest so as a by product FoH basically become toothless.

To be honest I know they were gullible enough to pay Mad Vlad a million for non-existent shares but I doubt even they'd be daft enough to get bitten again.

[AltheHibby]

I see they have started a thread on our finances. It appears that they know as much about finance as I do about brain surgery.

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187481-hibs-profit-or-loss/ :rolleyes:

[Since452]

I see they have started a thread on our finances. It appears that they know as much about finance as I do about brain surgery.

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187481-hibs-profit-or-loss/ :rolleyes:

Hearts fans dissecting Hibs finances. Hibs fans dissecting Hearts finances. It's all the same. The reality is both Hibs and Hearts are looking pretty healthy financially. Especially Hibs.

[Hibeesmad]

How's the table looking?

[Since452]

When will they stop blaming Levein and the keeper and realise Stendel is a donkey?

[jacomo]

When will they stop blaming Levein and the keeper and realise Stendel is a donkey?


May.

[Hibernian Verse]

May.May 2021 when they fail to get promoted.

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[wallpaperman]

When will they stop blaming Levein and the keeper and realise Stendel is a donkey?

Going by kickback, I think quite a lot of them are realising that he isn’t the second coming of Jurgen Klopp, and may in fact be a dud.

[Jack Hackett]

When will they stop blaming Levein and the keeper and realise Stendel is a donkey?

Probably about the same time they get a 20k crowd and a castle view

[California-Hibs]

The natives are restless, I repeat, the natives are restless!! 😂😂😂😂😂 (FIVE laughys there)

What has happened to the super-duper massively huge big team?!

15 points behind, less goals scored than us, more conceded, rock bottom of the league practically all season!

And to top it off they have their own Zibby now.

Let's cut to the chase...FU** the Hearts, I hope you rot! We are miles infront of you all over the shop and you'll be lucky to escape Easter Road with it being less than 5!

What's the word? ...PLEASING!

Edit: I guess their Zibby keeper is Swiss? Regardless, the guys humpty!

[Aldo]

Probably about the same time they get a 20k crowd and a castle view

Aye but their capacity is over 20K.........no wait its no because its no. I say this because if it was we would know all about it.

[California-Hibs]

Aye but their capacity is over 20K.........no wait its no because its no. I say this because if it was we would know all about it.

Is it true their stand isn't even complete yet?? 😂

[CloudSquall]

They are all convinced now that the keeper is getting picked week in week out due to the rumoured clause with Man U that he has to play or they have to pay his wages.

[Jack Hackett]

Aye but their capacity is over 20K.........no wait its no because its no. I say this because if it was we would know all about it.

We know it's true because it's on Wikipedia... Isn't it astonishing they haven't managed to break the 20k barrier when they have 400k supporters?

[Diclonius]

They are all convinced now that the keeper is getting picked week in week out due to the rumoured clause with Man U that he has to pay or they have to pay his wages.

What a ridiculous clause.

[Jack Hackett]

What a ridiculous clause.

Cannae beat a good conspiracy theory when you're clutching at straws :wink:

[bingo70]

Could next week be one of the biggest in their history?

I know that seems a bit dramatic however I wonder what the financial implications are for them with fan ownership kicking in from next year along with the shortfall in finances they already have.

Being relegated would always be bad but I wonder if the stakes are even higher this season?

[ian cruise]

They are all convinced now that the keeper is getting picked week in week out due to the rumoured clause with Man U that he has to play or they have to pay his wages.

Sure that rumour started on this very thread!

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Superb post on Keechback where a boy is getting it tight for suggesting that Harse's average show is 14K. Like following out about how fast the Titanic could go.

[Danderhall Hibs]

What a ridiculous clause.

It’s got to be either that or Man U asked for a clause that says he’ll play if fit or for a %age of games.

He’s murder. My Hearts mate says he’s the worst he’s ever seen - he calls him the ghost cos the ball just goes right through him.

[IberianHibernian]

The natives are restless, I repeat, the natives are restless!! 😂😂😂😂😂 (FIVE laughys there)

What has happened to the super-duper massively huge big team?!

15 points behind, less goals scored than us, more conceded, rock bottom of the league practically all season!

And to top it off they have their own Zibby now.

Let's cut to the chase...FU** the Hearts, I hope you rot! We are miles infront of you all over the shop and you'll be lucky to escape Easter Road with it being less than 5!

What's the word? ...PLEASING!

Edit: I guess their Zibby keeper is Swiss? Regardless, the guys humpty!Didn`t know their first goalie was Swiss , thoughtb he was Portuguese / Brasilian . Their second goalie is from Czech Republic but played briefly in Spain - only a few games but enough to be known as " Un payaso " ( A clown ) .

[CloudSquall]

Sure that rumour started on this very thread!

Haha! Outstanding effort from .net given it is now a kickback fact :greengrin

[Vault Boy]

Didn`t know their first goalie was Swiss , thoughtb he was Portuguese / Brasilian . Their second goalie is from Czech Republic but played briefly in Spain - only a few games but enough to be known as " Un payaso " ( A clown ) .

He's Swiss-Portuguese. Played for both nation's youth setups. Won't be making any appearances for the first teams though...

[The 90+2]

Tomorrow Stendel will be bottom with his current club and the team he built and was sacked from this season may also be bottom. Yet for some reason both set of fans both love the guy. Imagine Jack had done as poorly as the guy? It’s absolute madness.

Good old James Collins 😂😂

Makes zero sense at all.

[Thief]

Hats off to the common denominator in all this, who came up with this gem a week ago.

"I've said repeatedly that fan ownership does not mean fans running the club. We can't have that. If that happens, I genuinely believe it would be a disaster and it would undermine everything that we've done."
Ann Budge.

If ever a quote was going to jump up and bite you on the erse!


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[CloudSquall]

Qute from over the road that has to be a Hibee due to the truth on show,

"I said at the time I felt DS made a mistake taking the job and that it would damage his career. It never felt like he actually wanted it, Ann couldn't explain why she wanted to give him it at the press conference and he couldn't really explain why he took it."

[percy veer]

listening to the radio tonight billy doods referred to the killie keeper as having a "touch of the Pereira's" Pleasing.

[cocteautwin]

listening to the radio tonight billy doods referred to the killie keeper as having a "touch of the Pereira's" Pleasing.

Hands made of popadoms?

[Peevemor]

Hands made of popadoms?

Cat flaps!

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Hibs and Hamilton double looking a good prospect at 18/1 on Bet365.

[Since90+2]

They really are a laughing stock. Wee team with a wee stadium and a wee points total.

[Springbank]

Hibs and Hamilton double looking a good prospect at 18/1 on Bet365.

I reckon both games will be draws.

Suits us, and gently increases pressure on hearts (all of the points, are fading away.. )

[LancsHibs]

What a MASSIVE game it is on Saturday for the flumps against the Accies. A proper relegation 6 pointer. ‘Mon the Accies😁

[Since452]

Are they still talking German to each other on kickback or has that stopped?

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I reckon both games will be draws.

Suits us, and gently increases pressure on hearts (all of the points, are fading away.. )

13/1 currently

[sean04]

If Hamilton are capable of going there and winning. If they score 1st then hearts are in serious trouble 😂😂

[Col2]

Next two game for Hearts are critical.

They should win at home to Hamilton but you never know. Away to St Mirren? Not sure.

If they lose both they are odds on to go down.

Have they got the bottle?

[Waxy]

Even if they win both, they’re still in bother.

[weecounty hibby]

Driving through to the game last night listening to the radio and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Richard Gordon said that since Jerry Butcher came in that hearts results had been a bit up and down but nobody could deny that they had improved. Even some of the media had bought into the myth. Good to hear after the game they were totally ripping him and hearts to bits.

[green day]

Driving through to the game last night listening to the radio and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Richard Gordon said that since Jerry Butcher came in that hearts results had been a bit up and down but nobody could deny that they had improved. Even some of the media had bought into the myth. Good to hear after the game they were totally ripping him and hearts to bits.

I thought I had misheard that bit too, complete fabrication, like listening to a blether in the pub.

Another example of where - if he is ever allowed back - someone like Michael Stewart would have chipped in and told him their results have been crap.

That nobody else did so demonstrates the quality vacuum when MS and Tom English are missing.

[Ronniekirk]

Hamilton look pretty rotten. The battle of the rottens this weekend though.

Think this is the year Hamilton could go down They have ridden thier luck for so long people expect them to avoid relegation
But to do that they need to beat Hearts at the weekend and they are now picking up injuries




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[Ronniekirk]

For 30 years Hearts ran their football club by ever mounting overdrafts to banks. That avenue is firmly closed as they essentially defaulted on £70+ million of debt, bankrupting one bank in the process. Since then they have been unable to live within their normal football income. They have relied on monthly contributions from fans; loans from budge and "mysterious" donations. All are likely to dry up. At the same time they have miss managed badly: 100%+ on a new stand; millions wasted on relaying their pitch; poor team manager appointment;: and a bloated squad of over paid mediocre talent. No bank or investor will touch them. They are truly a basket case.

Why would the money dry up I hear this argument about The Rangers as well and they just keep going
Fans won’t stop putting money in imo
If hearts were to get relegated the club would appeal to fans to continue putting money in to ensure they come back up in one season


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[Since452]

They've got Souttar at the back, Boycie in attack

[calumhibee1]

They've got Souttar at the back, Boycie in attack

Make no bones about it, Stendels got them playing, Hearts are back.

Btw, I still can’t get over how bad Souttar is. To think he gets hyped up is crazy.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

The advantage Hamilton have is they’ve been here before, they’ve came through relegation dogfights. Can’t say the same for the gorgie shower.

[calumhibee1]

The advantage Hamilton have is they’ve been here before, they’ve came through relegation dogfights. Can’t say the same for the gorgie shower.

My only concern is that Hamilton look to have totally collapsed. If it wasn’t for that then I’d be fairly certain Hearts were going down.

[Waxy]

They've got Souttar at the back, Boycie in attack

I’m actually hoping we get another All Edinburgh Scottish cup final again.It will happen eventually so why not now.They’re probably too mince to even fluke their way to the final.

[sean04]

The fans hounded Berra out the club and now there conceding goals from corner kicks every game. Souter is having a nightmare 😂😂

[mcohibs]

My only concern is that Hamilton look to have totally collapsed. If it wasn’t for that then I’d be fairly certain Hearts were going down.

Since Stendel was appointed (10 games ago), Hamilton have scored more goals than Hearts, conceded less goals than Hearts, won more games and have a higher points tally in the last 10 games than Hearts. In terms of form they are the better side.

They've also beaten Hearts already this season and have experience in fighting (successfully) to stay up for seasons. Hearts are in a relegation dog fight no doubt about it - the game at the weekend is huge.

[calumhibee1]

Since Stendel was appointed (10 games ago), Hamilton have scored more goals than Hearts, conceded less goals than Hearts, won more games and have a higher points tally in the last 10 games than Hearts. In terms of form they are the better side.

They've also beaten Hearts already this season and have experience in fighting (successfully) to stay up for seasons. Hearts are in a relegation dog fight no doubt about it - the game at the weekend is huge.

I’m more optimistic again :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

Incidentally, Donis Avdijaj. Once the saviour of Hearts and the greatest footballer in the world, was once seen fainting at the sign of a football and hasn’t been seen since. Anyone seen him?

[calumhibee1]

Incidentally, Donis Avdijaj. Once the saviour of Hearts and the greatest footballer in the world, was once seen fainting at the sign of a football and hasn’t been seen since. Anyone seen him?

Surely not another striker like that Czech boy who is hyped up and turns out to be so far out his depth that he gets bombed out after 2 or 3 games?

[Springbank]

Since Stendel was appointed (10 games ago), Hamilton have scored more goals than Hearts, conceded less goals than Hearts, won more games and have a higher points tally in the last 10 games than Hearts. In terms of form they are the better side.

They've also beaten Hearts already this season and have experience in fighting (successfully) to stay up for seasons. Hearts are in a relegation dog fight no doubt about it - the game at the weekend is huge.

Hamilton without a shadow of a doubt have 3 players in the spine of their team that would walk into the Hearts team -
Gogic, Ogkmpoe up front, and the goalie (mind you, any goalie is better than the Hearts keeper)

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Incidentally, Donis Avdijaj. Once the saviour of Hearts and the greatest footballer in the world, was once seen fainting at the sign of a football and hasn’t been seen since. Anyone seen him?

He’s on a tour of all Scottish towns and cities. A goal in each a day for the remainder of his contract. Lads earning that extension

[blackpoolhibs]

Hopefully once Pereira has thrown another in against us in the derby, 3 stands sing in unison, are you zibby in disguise.

It's about time they had a clown in goals for them.

:greengrin

[calumhibee1]

Hopefully once Pereira has thrown another in against us in the derby, 3 stands sing in unison, are you zibby in disguise.

It's about time they had a clown in goals for them.

:greengrin

If he’s in goals for the derby then our crowd should be on him from the first whistle. Sadly, I don’t think he can survive until then surely.

[Bostonhibby]

Surely not another striker like that Czech boy who is hyped up and turns out to be so far out his depth that he gets bombed out after 2 or 3 games?To be fair to Vanacek he thought Hearts were a basketball team and Hearts thought he was a very tall footballer of the type they prefer, after a couple of matches Levein recognised this unfortunate misunderstanding and signed another non scoring striker to add to the very long list.

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[Hibbyradge]

What a ridiculous clause.

It's a ridiculous idea. Utter nonsense made up to excuse their idiot manager's team selections.

[Hibs4185]

If he’s in goals for the derby then our crowd should be on him from the first whistle. Sadly, I don’t think he can survive until then surely.

Stevie mallan needs to come back in for that game if fit. Immediate should on site policy. Could be comical if el ghost is in goals

[mjhibby]

Could next week be one of the biggest in their history?

I know that seems a bit dramatic however I wonder what the financial implications are for them with fan ownership kicking in from next year along with the shortfall in finances they already have.

Being relegated would always be bad but I wonder if the stakes are even higher this season?

Fan ownership in name only. Budge has made it quite clear that she's the boss for the foreseeable future.

[mjhibby]

The fans hounded Berra out the club and now there conceding goals from corner kicks every game. Souter is having a nightmare 😂😂

Probably the the most pleasing and yet most ridiculous aspect of the messiahs reign. They binned Berra because he couldn't play the system of the green press. They were losing the odd silly goal and they blamed it on Berra. Now souttar and halkett are there they have conceded 11 in three games. Guess it wasn't berra who was the problem. Imagine it's Dundee and Hertz in the relegation play off. Would be the most wonderful irony if mcpake,foster and of course Berra could relegate them. They may well win on Saturday but they have a tough after the split fixture list. It's going to be squeeky bum time very soon. For the first time the jambos I know are going very quiet and are now just st hoping they stay up. The Killie defeat has totally eroded any confidence they had. Last night was on most people's radar if Celtic were clinical. Goosed their gd and that could be crucial come the end of may. Hibs in the cup final and Hertz in the relegation play off. Nice thought.

[Since452]

I’m actually hoping we get another All Edinburgh Scottish cup final again.It will happen eventually so why not now.They’re probably too mince to even fluke their way to the final.

Funnily enough there are striking similarities to 2012 but the opposite way around. Only difference is we are living within our means

[Northernhibee]

I do think that this is another case of what ditching Fenlon to hire Butcher did for us. I don't know but I think Levein may have just - and only just - done enough to get Hearts off the bottom of the table and kept them safe.

If we'd kept Fenlon to the end of the 13/14 season we'd have finished eighth or ninth IMO but rebuilt in the summer with a new manager.

As it is, they've hired a swaggering (or staggering), overconfident bellend who has alienated the dressing room, brought in less players than he needed who were not of the required standard(kind of like what Butcher did with Haynes and Boateng) and began to sink like a stone.

The similarities are uncanny.

[Since452]

Canny wait for this documentary. Is there any way to pre order it?

[FilipinoHibs]

I am not religious but I am praying every night for a Hamilton win. Two ex Hibbies in charge. They know what is required.

[660]

The fireworks if they lost to Hamilton and St Mirren would be delicious

[Cataplana]

The fireworks if they lost to Hamilton and St Mirren would be delicious

What is Phil Anderton up to these days?

[Keith_M]

I’m actually hoping we get another All Edinburgh Scottish cup final again.It will happen eventually so why not now.They’re probably too mince to even fluke their way to the final.



Are Edinburgh City still in the Cup?


:dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

Why would the money dry up I hear this argument about The Rangers as well and they just keep going
Fans won’t stop putting money in imo
If hearts were to get relegated the club would appeal to fans to continue putting money in to ensure they come back up in one season


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Were you saying the same in 2011 or 2013 before the last admins? It happens. If teams consistantly spend more than they earn they end up in trouble. Personally don’t think Hearts are there yet but they will have to tighten their belt soon and a relegation could make that situation a lot worse. Sevco are a lot closer to an admin event I think. Neither club can access finance from traditional sources and they are both almost tapped out.


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[sean04]

Think a problem hearts have is stendal seems set in his ways on how there going to play. Looks like he doesn’t have the players to pull it off so will mean another squad overhaul. Not cheap to keep doing that every summer

[Peevemor]

Were you saying the same in 2011 or 2013 before the last admins? It happens. If teams consistantly spend more than they earn they end up in trouble. Personally don’t think Hearts are there yet but they will have to tighten their belt soon and a relegation could make that situation a lot worse. Sevco are a lot closer to an admin event I think. Neither club can access finance from traditional sources and they are both almost tapped out.


Hearts will really have to tighten their belt once Budge is away. The supporters and other benefactors got behind her as they recognised what she herself had done for the club. Once she's been replaced by some low profile FOH appointee, factions will form and the DDs and anonymous donations will start to dry up.


Think a problem hearts have is stendal seems set in his ways on how there going to play. Looks like he doesn’t have the players to pull it off so will mean another squad overhaul. Not cheap to keep doing that every summer

It can only work if you have a pool (6-7) of very good defenders to choose from. The quality they'll need costs a lot of money.

[Jack]

Hearts will really have to tighten their belt once Budge is away. The supporters and other benefactors got behind her as they recognised what she herself had done for the club. Once she's been replaced by some low profile FOH appointee, factions will form and the DDs and anonymous donations will start to dry up.



It can only work if you have a pool (6-7) of very good defenders to choose from. The quality they'll need costs a lot of money.

I don't think the DDs will dry up to any great extent. The ones I know have no intention of doing so despite a couple of them not renewing their season tickets this season.

[CapitalGreen]

Hearts will really have to tighten their belt once Budge is away. The supporters and other benefactors got behind her as they recognised what she herself had done for the club. Once she's been replaced by some low profile FOH appointee, factions will form and the DDs and anonymous donations will start to dry up.


The benefactor is an acquaintance of Stuart Wallace of FOH not Ann Budge so not sure that will be the case.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The benefactor is an acquaintance of Stuart Wallace of FOH not Ann Budge so not sure that will be the case.

Are you going to tell us who it is?

[oldbutdim]

Are you going to tell us who it is?

I doubt it.

[Ronniekirk]

Were you saying the same in 2011 or 2013 before the last admins? It happens. If teams consistantly spend more than they earn they end up in trouble. Personally don’t think Hearts are there yet but they will have to tighten their belt soon and a relegation could make that situation a lot worse. Sevco are a lot closer to an admin event I think. Neither club can access finance from traditional sources and they are both almost tapped out.


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I wasn’t referring to back in 2013 you could see that coming
But the Secvo thread always has people commenting about yet another admin and it has t happened yet and are they not about to get new owners with King stepping aside
What was noticeable in the January window was that The Rangers weren’t able to pump in yet more money to try snd stop Celtic winning nine in a row
The Kamberi loan deal o found astonishing
I have assumed without any inside info that new owners are coming in with a view to investing to stop 10 in a row But until we know who they are and what thier plans are I will keep an open mind But do t think the Mutant hordes would accept new owners putting them immediately into Admin Incurring loss of points and handing the title to Celtic before a ball is kicked
Agree Hearts aren’t there yet hence my comments in original post But Relegation ,and getting stuck in Championship fir a few seasons would be an interesting prospect to watch them navigate through


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[FilipinoHibs]

The benefactor is an acquaintance of Stuart Wallace of FOH not Ann Budge so not sure that will be the case.
I thought you said it was more than one person. If the person so close to FOH and put £9 million in why did they not save Hearts instead of letting FOH borrow the money off Budge.

[Springbank]

I thought you said it was more than one person. If the person so close to FOH and put £9 million in why did they not save Hearts instead of letting FOH borrow the money off Budge.

Indeed

His wife could have just said "expelliamus" to UBIG

[oldbutdim]

Indeed

His wife could have just said "expelliamus" to UBIG

:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

I wasn’t referring to back in 2013 you could see that coming
But the Secvo thread always has people commenting about yet another admin and it has t happened yet and are they not about to get new owners with King stepping aside
What was noticeable in the January window was that The Rangers weren’t able to pump in yet more money to try snd stop Celtic winning nine in a row
The Kamberi loan deal o found astonishing
I have assumed without any inside info that new owners are coming in with a view to investing to stop 10 in a row But until we know who they are and what thier plans are I will keep an open mind But do t think the Mutant hordes would accept new owners putting them immediately into Admin Incurring loss of points and handing the title to Celtic before a ball is kicked
Agree Hearts aren’t there yet hence my comments in original post But Relegation ,and getting stuck in Championship fir a few seasons would be an interesting prospect to watch them navigate through


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There is no sign of any new owners coming in at Ibrox. King is only stepping down because he has to because of the cold shoulder. They can’t source finance with him involved.


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[Ronniekirk]

There is no sign of any new owners coming in at Ibrox. King is only stepping down because he has to because of the cold shoulder. They can’t source finance with him involved.


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Ah So if he steps down they can source new finance ?


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[Ozyhibby]

Ah So if he steps down they can source new finance ?


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Possibly but at what price?


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[HoboHarry]

Ah So if he steps down they can source new finance ?


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David King isn't going anywhere without recovering the cash he's put in thus far and I'm not sure who is going to pony up for that.....

[Col2]

To be fair to Vanacek he thought Hearts were a basketball team and Hearts thought he was a very tall footballer of the type they prefer, after a couple of matches Levein recognised this unfortunate misunderstanding and signed another non scoring striker to add to the very long list.

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😂😂😂👍

[Spike Mandela]

The fireworks if they lost to Hamilton and St Mirren would be delicious

I think Hearts will beat Hamilton and St Mirren. Sorry, I feel dirty now.😳

[jacomo]

Think a problem hearts have is stendal seems set in his ways on how there going to play. Looks like he doesn’t have the players to pull it off so will mean another squad overhaul. Not cheap to keep doing that every summer


Cheaper in the championship though.

[KingPat4]

I miss the old days when you could turn up for almost any game and pay at the gate for any part of the ground. With that in mind I checked out ticket prices for Hamilton fans for the game on Saturday.

£29. That's twenty nine pounds.

Makes me wonder what they will charge the mass hordes from Alloa, Arbroath and QOS next season?



:dunno:

[Jim44]

Pereira - is he underestimated? If you believe Mourinho :

“A popular player with bags of talent and determination, former Reds boss Jose Mourinho has predicted his compatriot will become the outstanding Portuguese goalkeeper of his generation." :rolleyes:

[Kato]

Pereira - is he underestimated? If you believe Mourinho :

“A popular player with bags of talent and determination, former Reds boss Jose Mourinho has predicted his compatriot will become the outstanding Portuguese goalkeeper of his generation." :rolleyes:

....at Ice Hockey...

[jacomo]

Pereira - is he underestimated? If you believe Mourinho :

“A popular player with bags of talent and determination, former Reds boss Jose Mourinho has predicted his compatriot will become the outstanding Portuguese goalkeeper of his generation." :rolleyes:


Some of us - ahem - thought Yves Ma-Kalamby would be a good keeper.

Even the best of us get it wrong sometimes. And so does Jose Mourinho.

[O'Rourke3]

Some of us - ahem - thought Yves Ma-Kalamby would be a good keeper.

Even the best of us get it wrong sometimes. And so does Jose Mourinho.Was Jose not at Chelski when we got Yves? Beginning to see a pattern

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[Springbank]

I see Boyce is injured already & expected to miss hearts biggest game of the season today

[Since452]

I see Boyce is injured already & expected to miss hearts biggest game of the season today

Mind games against Hamilton. Wow

[Gloucester Hibs]

Mind games against Hamilton. Wow

Robertson also a doubt

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Hearts will really have to tighten their belt once Budge is away. The supporters and other benefactors got behind her as they recognised what she herself had done for the club. Once she's been replaced by some low profile FOH appointee, factions will form and the DDs and anonymous donations will start to dry up.



It can only work if you have a pool (6-7) of very good defenders to choose from. The quality they'll need costs a lot of money.

I recall the factions fighting for control before they realised unchecked they were going down the pan - wonder post Budge if they will reappear for a slice of the action. Hope so.

[bingo70]

I see Boyce is injured already & expected to miss hearts biggest game of the season today

Think Naismith has played 3 or 4 games in a row so he must be due some time off soon as well.

[Bostonhibby]

Robertson also a doubtLooks like Berra really isn't going to make it this time but they'll still have him as "doubtful" as they've always seen it as a tactical innovation.

Hamilton will have their fingers crossed that Uche, Damour, poppadum hands, Halkett, Souttar and the rest are able to play.

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[Springbank]

Think Naismith has played 3 or 4 games in a row so he must be due some time off soon as well.

He'll enjoy & benefit from a good rest before the Israel game (from what you hear)

[greenginger]

Very heavy rain and strong S.W. wind forecast for this afternoon at Tynie Park.

Should show the Budge folly at its best. :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Very heavy rain and strong S.W. wind forecast for this afternoon at Tynie Park.

Should show the Budge folly at its best. :greengrinWonder how the coverage from the press "box" will go today.

Or do they call it a media suite now?

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[fat freddy]

Wonder how the coverage from the press "box" will go today.

Or do they call it a media suite now?

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I noticed they have fixed perspex screens to the journalists desks to protect their laptops ect from the elements, it still doesn't address the issue of electrical sockets getting wet but it's a start.

Only Hearts could build a west facing main stand and position the media at the very front so they can take the full brunt of any inclement weather.

Storm Dennis should provide a few laughs today

[Waxy]

If catflap hands is their best keeper, imagine how bad their other keepers must be. Big pressure if they change the goalie today.

[Bostonhibby]

I noticed they have fixed perspex screens to the journalists desks to protect their laptops ect from the elements, it still doesn't address the issue of electrical sockets getting wet but it's a start.

Only Hearts could build a west facing main stand and position the media at the very front so they can take the full brunt of any inclement weather.

Storm Dennis should provide a few laughs todayIt's a bit amateurish that's for sure but maybe they'll get away with it if they call the cheap perspex bits glass media curtains?

I'm guessing someone will have certified all the structure and electrics as safe but they've certainly made a pigs ear of the design.

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[Since452]

Very heavy rain and strong S.W. wind forecast for this afternoon at Tynie Park.

Should show the Budge folly at its best. :greengrin

Do you think the meccano stands will cope?

[Cataplana]

They really are a bunch of hootenannies.

'Our castle we defend it against hamilton"

Sleepwalking to relegation and obscurity through grandiose dreams of relevance.

[Hibs4185]

It's a bit amateurish that's for sure but maybe they'll get away with it if they call the cheap perspex bits glass media curtains?

I'm guessing someone will have certified all the structure and electrics as safe but they've certainly made a pigs ear of the design.

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Not just any glass media Curtains, the biggest, best, most advanced Perspex curtain in the most atmospheric stand in the world.

[AltheHibby]

I was just reading this https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibee-history-storming-comeback-sees-aberdeen-1556360
And realised why Hertz were so pleased to draw with Aberdeen. It's because the Don's once had a heroic draw with the mighty Bayern Munich. No doubt they now share a special relationship as they have both drawn with Aberdeen!

[007]

I see Boyce is injured already & expected to miss hearts biggest game of the season today

Think it was Billy Dodds that actually said something sensible i.e. they should have subbed off Naismith once the game against Celtic was gone to protect him for today's game. Sounds now like it is Boyce they should have done it with. Levein in charge of the medical side will work his magic and have him back fit pronto.

[Aldo]

Think it was Billy Dodds that actually said something sensible i.e. they should have subbed off Naismith once the game against Celtic was gone to protect him for today's game. Sounds now like it is Boyce they should have done it with. Levein in charge of the medical side will work his magic and have him back fit pronto.

Not seen it anywhere so I reckon Boyce will start today! Mind games down tiny way imho


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[Northernhibee]

Interestingly, Cathro averaged .26 more points a game than Jurgen Flopp. He needs a big turnaround.

[jacomo]

Not just any glass media Curtains, the biggest, best, most advanced Perspex curtain in the most atmospheric stand in the world.


Magnificent, Famous and Big!

Forever in their shadow, that’s for sure.

[Deansy]

From 'Throw-back' -


'
I am finished for the season couldn't make it today so will not be back'




Ah, the fickleness of a support spawned by the 'money years' - the 'mystery benefactor' will need bottomless pockets to sustain 'loyalty' levels .......................

[CapitalGreen]

Sounds like their Kosovan wing wizard with a history of unprofessional behaviour has not been acting very professionally - quelle surprise!


“This lad’s football ability remains to be seen however as a professional and someone who wears the shirt of this club he is a disgrace. To clarify, he was seen today running across the concourse at the back of the main stand coming up to 1.30pm [match day remember] have been dropped off by a mate in a yellow Ford Mustang.
Hardly ideal preparation for the biggest game the club has had seen this season. I was in the ground FFS before him. Not good enough in IMHO and why oh why was he not as a 1st team squad member with the other players bonding relaxing and talking through the day ahead. I really hope Stendal deals with this and brings him to task. I can just about put up with a sh7’#ty performance however lack of professionalism and pride in the job no way.”

[04Sauzee]

Sounds like their Kosovan wing wizard with a history of unprofessional behaviour has not been acting very professionally - quelle surprise!


“This lad’s football ability remains to be seen however as a professional and someone who wears the shirt of this club he is a disgrace. To clarify, he was seen today running across the concourse at the back of the main stand coming up to 1.30pm [match day remember] have been dropped off by a mate in a yellow Ford Mustang.
Hardly ideal preparation for the biggest game the club has had seen this season. I was in the ground FFS before him. Not good enough in IMHO and why oh why was he not as a 1st team squad member with the other players bonding relaxing and talking through the day ahead. I really hope Stendal deals with this and brings him to task. I can just about put up with a sh7’#ty performance however lack of professionalism and pride in the job no way.”
Wonder what time their turnstiles open

[WoreTheGreen]

Yellow wow like his spine

[Nicho87]

Mikey 1974 still thinks they’ll go on a 5/6 winning streak. What planet they living on

[Hibs4185]

Sounds like their Kosovan wing wizard with a history of unprofessional behaviour has not been acting very professionally - quelle surprise!


“This lad’s football ability remains to be seen however as a professional and someone who wears the shirt of this club he is a disgrace. To clarify, he was seen today running across the concourse at the back of the main stand coming up to 1.30pm [match day remember] have been dropped off by a mate in a yellow Ford Mustang.
Hardly ideal preparation for the biggest game the club has had seen this season. I was in the ground FFS before him. Not good enough in IMHO and why oh why was he not as a 1st team squad member with the other players bonding relaxing and talking through the day ahead. I really hope Stendal deals with this and brings him to task. I can just about put up with a sh7’#ty performance however lack of professionalism and pride in the job no way.”

This is the club that had bake sales to survive. Maybe the benefactor hasn’t coughed up this time and they are charging the players entry fees to get into the changing rooms??

[Kato]

This is the club that had bake sales to survive.

I thought they had bake-sales so they could get enough cash together for a fake share offer but which actually filled Vlad's suitcases before he scarperred?

[zitelli62]

Anyone know where to get highlights could do with a laugh.

[The 90+2]

Why do none of the commentators or reporters ever go on about the atrocious conditions they have to work in when reporting on hearts in their best stand in the world? Today they must have got absolutely hammered with the rain in comparison to the fantastic facilities we have for the media yet nobody every says a thing.

[Ozyhibby]

Why do none of the commentators or reporters ever go on about the atrocious conditions they have to work in when reporting on hearts in their best stand in the world? Today they must have got absolutely hammered with the rain in comparison to the fantastic facilities we have for the media yet nobody every says a thing.

Radio Scotland reporters never shut up about it to be fair.


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[The 90+2]

Radio Scotland reporters never shut up about it to be fair.


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Preston laughed earlier he was soaking but it’s never explained why, especially when they are bashing on about an amazing new stadium (not just a **** stand)

[Hibeesmad]

Overheard a couple of jambos talking in the pub after the game and one of them said it was a must win, the other said "not really". I dont think they understand how much trouble they are actually in.

[dar]

One of the BBC Radio Scotland commentators mentioned yesterday that his phone had stopped working due to water when they were talking about the location of the press area.

[Since452]

Overheard a couple of jambos talking in the pub after the game and one of them said it was a must win, the other said "not really". I dont think they understand how much trouble they are actually in.

Worst team in the league over the last year and a bit. They are in serious trouble a lot of their fans stil have their heads burried in the sand.

[CentreLine]

One of the BBC Radio Scotland commentators mentioned yesterday that his phone had stopped working due to water when they were talking about the location of the press area.

Commentating yesterday they were getting drowned out by the noise of the rain at one point and laughing about the conditions they were working in. Then made the suggestion that they hoped the Sportscene cameras would pick up pictures of one reported who had donned a bin bag in an attempt to protect himself and his equipment. I don’t think the BBC are missing the opportunity to rip in to working conditions at Tynecastle, they regularly criticise them and I have never once heard them bugging up the stand.

[Carheenlea]

https://twitter.com/eilidhbarbour/status/1228733274429759489?s=21

Did the state-of-the-art press box in the £20M include provision for brollys, or were they anther extra?

(The rain in her video there can’t surely make for a safe working environment with electrical equipment in their joke stand)




https://i.postimg.cc/5tPpgPgB/58-E6-FD2-B-263-D-484-F-8655-F4984-AD62-BB9.jpg (https://postimg.cc/2qZ487Py)


State of the art press facilities.

[Treadstone]

Commentating yesterday they were getting drowned out by the noise of the rain at one point and laughing about the conditions they were working in. Then made the suggestion that they hoped the Sportscene cameras would pick up pictures of one reported who had donned a bin bag in an attempt to protect himself and his equipment

That 'reporter' they were talking about was the odious yam MC Scott Wilson. Should change his let's make some noise to let's make some binbag coats.

[greenginger]

Here’s a solution to their problems.

Move the press facilities , directors box etc over to the east facing Wheatfield Stand. Open the temp facilities under that stand for the players changing .

That would make the glass curtained Budge structure redundant and it could then be sold to Edinburgh Council social work dept. to clear the debts.

I seem to remember it worked quite well last time. :greengrin

[CentreLine]

That 'reporter' they were talking about was the odious yam MC Scott Wilson. Should change his let's make some noise to let's make some binbag coats.

That was it, yep 👍🏻
Well thought it, well planned stand and facilities right enough. There has to be a case for not reporting from Tynecastle in rainy weather. We do not need a Les Harvey situation with all that cabling about.

[Peanut Shaz]

Unfortunately some of my family are Hearts Supporters and I was with them last night. They certainly seemed resigned to going down and certainly didn't try and defend Stendel or his tactics. Seems there may be a couple of sensible souls amongst their support after all.

[Hibs4185]

Unfortunately some of my family are Hearts Supporters and I was with them last night. They certainly seemed resigned to going down and certainly didn't try and defend Stendel or his tactics. Seems there may be a couple of sensible souls amongst their support after all.

There is a gif with Jurgen Klinsmann, Jurgen Klopp and Jurgen Doon. I sent it to about 10 family members and a few mates and not one has replied! Usually I would get dogs abuse back.

Not even the 5-1 comfort blanket came out.

Doomed

[Crab apple]

They have 11 games to save themselves. Based on form in the first 27 games they at best would get 1 win and 4 draws from these remaining games. There’s obvioulsy the split and the argument that they will be playing easier teams post split but on yesterday’s performance against Hamilton that’s not a given. Interesting times ahead down Gorgie way.

[Walter]

There is a gif with Jurgen Klinsmann, Jurgen Klopp and Jurgen Doon. I sent it to about 10 family members and a few mates and not one has replied! Usually I would get dogs abuse back.

Not even the 5-1 comfort blanket came out.

Doomed

Please do us the honour of sharing said gif

[Barman Stanton]

Kickback is an absolute hoot. For many the penny has finally dropped that they have a dud in charge. Others are sticking up for him to save face since they have hyped him up so much. The in fighting is real and only going to get worse.

[Leith Green]

They have 11 games to save themselves. Based on form in the first 27 games they at best would get 1 win and 4 draws from these remaining games. There’s obvioulsy the split and the argument that they will be playing easier teams post split but on yesterday’s performance against Hamilton that’s not a given. Interesting times ahead down Gorgie way.


What cannot be overlooked is that Hamilton are a club used to the fight in the final round of fixtures , they regularly leave it late and seem to win the fight. Hearts are in serious trouble here , they really needed to beat Hamilton yesterday but couldn’t manage that.

[Phil MaGlass]

https://www.hibs.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=22992&d=1581781649

[JohnM1875]

Annoyingly they'll scrape out of it by a point or so. They'll get their usual lucky result along the way. Like that 'red card' for the Hamilton boy yesterday.

Obviously I hope as much as anyone else that they don't and go down!

:lolyam:

[Barman Stanton]

Annoyingly they'll scrape out of it by a point or so. They'll get their usual lucky result along the way. Like that 'red card' for the Hamilton boy yesterday.

Obviously I hope as much as anyone else that they don't and go down!

:lolyam:

They have 3 wins all season, 2 of which were won with deflections. I fail to see where this confidence comes from some on here that they will stay up? They are brutal. And possibly worse than Hamilton and St Mirren.

[degenerated]

They have 3 wins all season, 2 of which were won with deflections. I fail to see where this confidence comes from some on here that they will stay up? They are brutal. And possibly worse than Hamilton and St Mirren.

No possibly about it, factually and demonstrably they are worse than Hamilton and St Mirren.

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[Hibby Kay-Yay]

They have 3 wins all season, 2 of which were won with deflections. I fail to see where this confidence comes from some on here that they will stay up? They are brutal. And possibly worse than Hamilton and St Mirren.

Actually worse as evidenced by the league table.

[Hibs4185]

https://www.hibs.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=22992&d=1581781649

Thanks! I couldn’t fathom how to do an attachment!

[AltheHibby]

From their relegation thread:

"We've been saying plenty points to play for for months now!! Time is fast running out. Not beating our nearest rivals on our home patch when they have lots of injuries makes you wonder exactly where we will pick up points."

Yes, you read that right. Hamilton are their "nearest rivals ":greengrin

[Springbank]

From their relegation thread:

"We've been saying plenty points to play for for months now!! Time is fast running out. Not beating our nearest rivals on our home patch when they have lots of injuries makes you wonder exactly where we will pick up points."

Yes, you read that right. Hamilton are their "nearest rivals ":greengrin

Cause all of the points
Are fading away
Dont worry your Daniel
You'll wiiiin someday

But we'll beat you at home
And we beat you away
So stop crying your Daniel

[Barman Stanton]

No possibly about it, factually and demonstrably they are worse than Hamilton and St Mirren.

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Well yeah, I was being kind to our troubled neighbours.

[Since452]

From their relegation thread:

"We've been saying plenty points to play for for months now!! Time is fast running out. Not beating our nearest rivals on our home patch when they have lots of injuries makes you wonder exactly where we will pick up points."

Yes, you read that right. Hamilton are their "nearest rivals ":greengrin

All the talk before their relegation double header was six points minimum. Be lucky to get one.

[JohnM1875]

They have 3 wins all season, 2 of which were won with deflections. I fail to see where this confidence comes from some on here that they will stay up? They are brutal. And possibly worse than Hamilton and St Mirren.

It's nothing to do with being confident they'll stay up. I hope as much as anyone they go down.

It's due to in my 30 years supporting Hibs, Hearts have been one of the spawniest teams I've ever known. So can see another spawny escape from them.

[Pretty Boy]

It really does feel like Hibs and Butcher. For weeks and weeks we kept saying 'we just need one win' and 'there's no way we'll go another 6,7, 8 games without a win'. Then it was the last game of the season v Killie and we still needed one win......

There seems to be no real logic to the arguments of Hibs and Hearts fans who think they will stay up. 'We are Hearts and we're big' on one side and 'they are Hearts and they are lucky' on the other. By this stage of the season the league table doesn't lie.

[bingo70]

It really does feel like Hibs and Butcher. For weeks and weeks we kept saying 'we just need one win' and 'there's no way we'll go another 6,7, 8 games without a win'. Then it was the last game of the season v Killie and we still needed one win......

There seems to be no real logic to the arguments of Hibs and Hearts fans who think they will stay up. 'We are Hearts and we're big' on one side and 'they are Hearts and they are lucky' on the other. By this stage of the season the league table doesn't lie.

I think a lot of the confidence from the Hearts side came because they had big players coming back from injury and they had these 2 fixtures they would just win and all would be good again.

Now, their big players are back and it’s made no difference and they’re one game into their 2 biggest games of the season and only managed a draw. They are still scoring some goals but Naismith is due to get injured again soon.

I think if they don’t beat St Mirren on Friday even the more confident yam will start to panic.

[Barman Stanton]

It's nothing to do with being confident they'll stay up. I hope as much as anyone they go down.

It's due to in my 30 years supporting Hibs, Hearts have been one of the spawniest teams I've ever known. So can see another spawny escape from them.

I get that. But in most of that time they have been spending money they didn’t have so have always had an advantage on most other teams. Couldn’t spend there way out of it this time. All funds went to one striker, ignoring the shambles of the rest of the team. They are in big trouble.

[Onceinawhile]

They have 11 games to save themselves. Based on form in the first 27 games they at best would get 1 win and 4 draws from these remaining games. There’s obvioulsy the split and the argument that they will be playing easier teams post split but on yesterday’s performance against Hamilton that’s not a given. Interesting times ahead down Gorgie way.

They've got 3 wins this season. 2 of them came against top 6 teams. The bottom 6 know how to play them easily.

[JohnM1875]

I get that. But in most of that time they have been spending money they didn’t have so have always had an advantage on most other teams. Couldn’t spend there way out of it this time. All funds went to one striker, ignoring the shambles of the rest of the team. They are in big trouble.

Let's hope so! 🤞 haha

[Phil MaGlass]

It's nothing to do with being confident they'll stay up. I hope as much as anyone they go down.

It's due to in my 30 years supporting Hibs, Hearts have been one of the spawniest teams I've ever known. So can see another spawny escape from them.

They did manage to go down quite recently?:thumbsup:

[Eyrie]

They did manage to go down quite recently?:thumbsup:

And floated straight back up like the turd that won't flush.

[Hibernianinc]

They’re in big trouble.

They got lucky with the red yesterday, but unlucky with Hamilton’s first which was offside. Draws are not enough.

If they do not beat St Mirren the best they can hope for will be 11th, IMO.

We most certainly need to give them a very serious kicking on the 3rd. It may be some time before we see them again....

[Kojock]

They’re in big trouble.

They got lucky with the red yesterday, but unlucky with Hamilton’s first which was offside. Draws are not enough.

If they do not beat St Mirren the best they can hope for will be 11th, IMO.

We most certainly need to give them a very serious kicking on the 3rd. It may be some time before we see them again....

If we lose to Killie this afternoon we will drop into the bottom six. We may be playing at Tynie before the season ends.

[SaulGoodman]

If we lose to Killie this afternoon we will drop into the bottom six. We may be playing at Tynie before the season ends.

Good job we won’t.

[Waxy]

If St Mirren beat them that’ll be them in the playoff at best.Games are running out fast. They’ve just wasted there best chance.

[Hibs4185]

If we lose to Killie this afternoon we will drop into the bottom six. We may be playing at Tynie before the season ends.

Not such a bad thing. Pump the Jambo’s again and once we age 100% safe play the development team against their relegation rivals for some ‘experience’

[jacomo]

Not such a bad thing. Pump the Jambo’s again and once we age 100% safe play the development team against their relegation rivals for some ‘experience’


Silver lining I suppose, but not for me.

Laughing at Hearts is fun but they are a side show. We are going to struggle to finish higher than 5th but I want to see us give it a right good go.

[Hibs4185]

Silver lining I suppose, but not for me.

Laughing at Hearts is fun but they are a side show. We are going to struggle to finish higher than 5th but I want to see us give it a right good go.

I’m actually an optimist and I think a win today, coupled with an Aberdeen loss and we are in the hint for 4th.

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

I’m actually an optimist and I think a win today, coupled with an Aberdeen loss and we are in the hint for 4th.


Well if we’re in the hunt for 4th then we’d also be in the hunt for 3rd, given they’d be on the same points. I guess we want the huns to be beat Livi too, which I feel slightly dirty saying.

[jacomo]

I’m actually an optimist and I think a win today, coupled with an Aberdeen loss and we are in the hint for 4th.


:thumbsup:

I love it.

[Hibs4185]

Well if we’re in the hunt for 4th then we’d also be in the hunt for 3rd, given they’d be on the same points. I guess we want the huns to be beat Livi too, which I feel slightly dirty saying.

I was going to say 3rd but didn’t want to get shot down! 12 games to
Go, 36 points to play for. Third and fourth and are def achievable but I do feel we have to win today to keep the momentum going.

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

I was going to say 3rd but didn’t want to get shot down! 12 games to
Go, 36 points to play for. Third and fourth and are def achievable but I do feel we have to win today to keep the momentum going.

Absolutely.

[Cataplana]

Well if we’re in the hunt for 4th then we’d also be in the hunt for 3rd, given they’d be on the same points. I guess we want the huns to be beat Livi too, which I feel slightly dirty saying.

I suppose it's too late to think about the league title?

[Keith_M]

We have a very poor record at Rugby Park recently, the weather today is going to be a nightmare for the players and Killie seem to be coming back onto form. I wouldn't be surprised if we lose today and drop out of the top six.

As long as we're in the top six at the split, then that's what matters. If I had to choose between that and playing Hearts for a fourth time, then it would be top six for me.

[Jack Hackett]

I suppose it's too late to think about the league title?

Sadly, mathematically impossible...



... 2nd's still up for grabs though :greengrin

[Cataplana]

Sadly, mathematically impossible...



... 2nd's still up for grabs though :greengrin

Damn if only we'd gone for JR earlier. Still always next year.

[Since452]

Tears and snotters on kickback. 17 points you pink tramps

[Jack Hackett]

Tears and snotters on kickback. 17 points you pink tramps

How is that even possible? I'm pretty sure they were guaranteed to shoot past us up the leaderboard after their famous draw against Aberdeen.

[660]

I know a jambo who put a bet on them to finish top 6 after the hun win. Money well spent...

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Have a look over on neverpayback, the garbage about us and Jack Ross is verging on hysteria 🤣🤣🤣

[truehibernian]

Tears and snotters on kickback. 17 points you pink tramps

Over £100,000 a month spent on Naiscoring, Washedupington, Boyce, and the Kosovan Messi :aok:

Bernie Madoff invested more wisely :greengrin

[Cataplana]

Have a look over on neverpayback, the garbage about us and Jack Ross is verging on hysteria 🤣🤣🤣

I bet that they wish JR had been their first choice target now.

[Since452]

How is that even possible? I'm pretty sure they were guaranteed to shoot past us up the leaderboard after their famous draw against Aberdeen.

Yup. We were also about to be sucked in to their relegation battle

[Borderhibbie76]

I bet that they wish JR had been their first choice target now.

Now u mention it 🤣🤣🤣

[Northernhibee]

I bet that they wish JR had been their first choice target now.

Yeah, but on the plus side a team managed by Stendel finished with more points than a team managed by Jack Ross once so all is barry.

[Gmack7]

They'll need the Hubble telescope to see us shortly

[Since452]

Have a look over on neverpayback, the garbage about us and Jack Ross is verging on hysteria 🤣🤣🤣

We'll regret appointing him in the long run is the best post 😂

[660]

“17 points now. Makes me feel utterly sick”

Hahahah good hope you spew up on yer best cardigan u fud!

[Keith_M]

We have a very poor record at Rugby Park recently, the weather today is going to be a nightmare for the players and Killie seem to be coming back onto form. I wouldn't be surprised if we lose today and drop out of the top six.

As long as we're in the top six at the split, then that's what matters. If I had to choose between that and playing Hearts for a fourth time, then it would be top six for me.


Happy to be proved wrong

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

We'll regret appointing him in the long run is the best post 😂

According to one flump Ross seen that Potter was still there and said nah

I thank the gods my family had the sense not to mention the yam word in my house 🤣💚

[SouthMoroccoStu]

According to one flump Ross seen that Potter was still there and said nah

I thank the gods my family had the sense not to mention the yam word in my house 🤣💚

I could understand that

Director of Football Levien sitting over you, second guessing every match day, training and transfer decisions you make

[04Sauzee]

They'll need the Hubble telescope to see us shortly

That's made me laugh 😅

[04Sauzee]

A bit early for them to start crapping it

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187590-easter-road/

[hibbie02]

A bit early for them to start crapping it

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187590-easter-road/

Looks like a long overdue bout of reality on there for once....


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[Jones28]

A bit early for them to start crapping it

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187590-easter-road/

They are justifiably ****ting it. If Stendal plays high line and Ross goes for a high press we will absolutely hammer them.

[Iggy Pope]

A bit early for them to start crapping it

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187590-easter-road/

Austin McGlee. Jeezo.

[Peevemor]

I like this one.

"Surely by now he has realised*it is not working and a new approach to Fridays game is needed"

Erm, does their Daniel know any other tactics?

[whiskyhibby]

Austin McGlee. Jeezo.


There is no ****** quite like a Jambo ******........

[Diclonius]

No, no, no. We've seen this countless times before. I will NEVER be confident in the lead up to a derby.

[Since452]

I'll be expecting a win but I'll take any kind of win to be honest. If it's a pumping then that's an added bonus

[SMAXXA]

I like this one.

"Surely by now he has realised*it is not working and a new approach to Fridays game is needed"

Erm, does their Daniel know any other tactics?

Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results

[Joe6-2]

‘We create loads of chances and someone is due a doing’
‘Make it so Daniel’

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂