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Diclonius
10-10-2019, 06:42 PM
Here

SMAXXA
10-10-2019, 06:44 PM
Should be a busy positive thread 😂, couldn’t care less about the game zero interest (different if there was a Hibs player in the team I’d suffer the game for that)

One Day Soon
10-10-2019, 06:47 PM
I think the expression is 'Brace, brace'.

Itsnoteasy
10-10-2019, 06:49 PM
Should be a busy positive thread 😂, couldn’t care less about the game zero interest (different if there was a Hibs player in the team I’d suffer the game for that)

Your no cheering for SJM

Hermit Crab
10-10-2019, 06:51 PM
Your no cheering for SJM

He's no a Hibs player.

we are hibs
10-10-2019, 06:52 PM
Didnt even know this was on till i seen this thread

Diclonius
10-10-2019, 06:57 PM
Honestly, would have just started Shankland.

SMAXXA
10-10-2019, 07:01 PM
Honestly, would have just started Shankland.

Probably would have been unfair to him as won’t get much chances I’d think and am no sure how much he actually offers ‘other’ than goals when your no going to have the ball much. Defo would give him game time tho

SMAXXA
10-10-2019, 07:02 PM
Your no cheering for SJM

Honestly I’d rather watch him for villa as bad as that sounds

Stuart93
10-10-2019, 07:04 PM
How’s snodgrass still getting a game for scotland? He’s absolutely murder

Hermit Crab
10-10-2019, 07:05 PM
Snodgrass is murder.

Diclonius
10-10-2019, 07:08 PM
How’s snodgrass still getting a game for scotland? He’s absolutely murder

The latest in a long line of failures that are inexplicably picked by successive managers.

Stuart93
10-10-2019, 07:09 PM
Oli Burke’s pish anaw. Gets the ball and puts his head down, doesn’t look up and try get a pass away or nout. Loses it every single time

Stuart93
10-10-2019, 07:10 PM
The latest in a long line of failures that are inexplicably picked by successive managers.

I don’t understand it. It’s the same suspects every single time

Helensburghhibs
10-10-2019, 07:10 PM
Snodgrass has had a nightmare start to the season at club level, and devlin plays in an Aberdeen side that is really poor defensively.

stoneyburn hibs
10-10-2019, 07:12 PM
We'll get punished soon, far too narrow.

blackpoolhibs
10-10-2019, 07:12 PM
Genuinely thought the game was tomorrow night?????

bingo70
10-10-2019, 07:14 PM
We'll get punished soon, far too narrow.

Think that’s the plan and it’s not a bad one imo.

They’re not going to score from the touch line so protect the goals.

SMAXXA
10-10-2019, 07:15 PM
Think that’s the plan and it’s not a bad one imo.

They’re not going to score from the touch line so protect the goals.

It’s an effective way to defend force then down the channels and defend the crosses

J-C
10-10-2019, 07:16 PM
Snodgrass murder, too many injuries have caught up with him, Fraser is far better coming off the left, Burke is just pish, we look devoid of any creativity, like watching Hibs.

SMAXXA
10-10-2019, 07:16 PM
Oli Burke’s pish anaw. Gets the ball and puts his head down, doesn’t look up and try get a pass away or nout. Loses it every single time

Totally agree no idea how he’s anywhere near a squad never mind a starting line up

heretoday
10-10-2019, 07:21 PM
Soft free kick.

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 07:23 PM
This ref is horrendous

Robbo6-2
10-10-2019, 07:24 PM
Burke is having a great first half

Tyler Durden
10-10-2019, 07:24 PM
Oli Burke’s pish anaw. Gets the ball and puts his head down, doesn’t look up and try get a pass away or nout. Loses it every single time

He’s an enigma but he does have the attributes to become a top player. He’s got the ability and the pace and physique. Needs to find a club to get games consistently and find some consistency

Worth persisting with when we have so few options

heretoday
10-10-2019, 07:26 PM
Rocky is playing for Israel. They're one up on Austria.

Victor
10-10-2019, 07:27 PM
Burke is having a great first half

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Brightside
10-10-2019, 07:28 PM
Fleck is brutal too. Did he not play for Rangers in the 90s?

Billy Whizz
10-10-2019, 07:28 PM
Fleck is brutal too. Did he not play for Rangers in the 90s?

Ha ha, think that was his uncle, Robert

Diclonius
10-10-2019, 07:28 PM
Fleck is brutal too. Did he not play for Rangers in the 90s?

Based on the Daily Record headlines when he broke through he's supposed to be on his 100th cap by now.

Brightside
10-10-2019, 07:29 PM
Ha ha, think that was his uncle, Robert

They look the same.

Danderhall Hibs
10-10-2019, 07:29 PM
Based on the Daily Record headlines when he broke through he's supposed to be on his 100th cap by now.

The Scottish Wayne Rooney?

Sir David Gray
10-10-2019, 07:29 PM
Fleck is brutal too. Did he not play for Rangers in the 90s?

Robert Fleck who played for Rangers in the 80s is John Fleck's uncle.

J-C
10-10-2019, 07:29 PM
Burke just got the ball and put his head down and ran into about 4 defenders without any realisation what he was doing, just brutal.

hibsbollah
10-10-2019, 07:30 PM
He’s an enigma but he does have the attributes to become a top player. He’s got the ability and the pace and physique. Needs to find a club to get games consistently and find some consistency

Worth persisting with when we have so few options

His coach at Leipzig said he had good attributes but was lacking 'between the ears'. Probably a euphemism for bad decision making.

heretoday
10-10-2019, 07:30 PM
Fleck could only be a Hun with a face like that.

Onion
10-10-2019, 07:31 PM
Burke just got the ball and put his head down and ran into about 4 defenders without any realisation what he was doing, just brutal.

Looked decent when younger, now simply brutal.

Overall, Scotland doing well.

blackpoolhibs
10-10-2019, 07:33 PM
Looked decent when younger, now simply brutal.

Overall, Scotland doing well.

Awwww FFS why did you say that?

Sylar
10-10-2019, 07:34 PM
Looked decent when younger, now simply brutal.

Overall, Scotland doing well.

Is the benchmark of "doing well" not being behind?

Because we've been utterly abysmal. Not a single bit of quality on the park so far and not even a sneeze in the direction of goal.

It's pitiful.

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 07:35 PM
Considering our past defensive performances, we’ve parked the bus pretty well.

Offensively, nothing new.

Robbo6-2
10-10-2019, 07:40 PM
Burke's having a good first half, apart from the bit he should of passed hes done really well.

Anyone saying otherwise is being negative without actually watching the game

CMurdoch
10-10-2019, 07:40 PM
A good bit of grafting from Scotland.

Burke is a big strong fast guy but as before he just does not make any attempt to get the head up when he is on the ball.

Not In The Know
10-10-2019, 07:41 PM
Disappointing result for them with a great chance to position us well in the group. But what bright spark at the SFA decided to play the game on the smallest pitch in the top flight against a team that will put 10 men behind the ball. 0-0 shock!!

pontius pilate
10-10-2019, 07:41 PM
Who were the call offs from the squad for this game does anybody know? I know Liam cooper has but who else. Upfront it's as clear as day that we need sparky back asap. I do believe if the net was cast far and wide there would be a more than decent squad. So far doing well though

Carheenlea
10-10-2019, 07:43 PM
Not seen first half, but got a stream up to view second half but the first half stats that came up there looked awful to read.

CloudSquall
10-10-2019, 07:45 PM
Just noticed Cyprus beath Kazakhstan 2-1 away from home, we'll be struggling to finish above them at this rate..

DJ HIBBY
10-10-2019, 07:47 PM
Is the benchmark of "doing well" not being behind?

Because we've been utterly abysmal. Not a single bit of quality on the park so far and not even a sneeze in the direction of goal.

It's pitiful.

Folk have been praising us for performances like this recently too. Low standards

davhibby
10-10-2019, 07:47 PM
Get Forrest on for Snodgrass and Christie on for Burke. We’ve had a few decent looking breaks but not having any quality in the final third has cost us. These two have a bit of something that could nick a goal

CMurdoch
10-10-2019, 07:47 PM
Who were the call offs from the squad for this game does anybody know? I know Liam cooper has but who else. Upfront it's as clear as day that we need sparky back asap. I do believe if the net was cast far and wide there would be a more than decent squad. So far doing well though

Arsenal asked for Tierney not to be involved.
Fans favourite McBurnie called off with an injury.

Not In The Know
10-10-2019, 07:48 PM
Disappointing result for them with a great chance to position us well in the group. But what bright spark at the SFA decided to play the game on the smallest pitch in the top flight against a team that will put 10 men behind the ball. 0-0 shock!!

bingo70
10-10-2019, 07:48 PM
Get Forrest on for Snodgrass and Christie on for Burke. We’ve had a few decent looking breaks but not having any quality in the final third has cost us. These two have a bit of something that could nick a goal

Play with no striker?

pontius pilate
10-10-2019, 07:48 PM
Arsenal asked for Tierney not to be involved.
Fans favourite McBurnie called off with an injury.

Cheers

BoomtownHibees
10-10-2019, 07:49 PM
Burke's having a good first half, apart from the bit he should of passed hes done really well.

Anyone saying otherwise is being negative without actually watching the game

I’m watching it and trying not to be negative but I think he’s been pish. When he gets the ball it’s just head down and run in a straight line. What makes you think he’s had a good 1st half?

David_D
10-10-2019, 07:50 PM
Shankland on for Burke.

davhibby
10-10-2019, 07:50 PM
Play with no striker?

He played with no striker in the first half. Christie could play the role Burke played easily. Interesting to see how Shankland manages now though

Helensburghhibs
10-10-2019, 07:51 PM
Fleck could only be a Hun with a face like that.

That is an issue with the current squad as well. This "he's a hun" pish has to stop. Guys like Jack etc should be welcomed in the squads. The tartan army slating these guys is a case of biting your nose off to spite your face.

BoomtownHibees
10-10-2019, 07:51 PM
That is an issue with the current squad as well. This "he's a hun" pish has to stop. Guys like Jack etc should be welcomed in the squads. The tartan army slating these guys is a case of biting your nose off to spite your face.

He is a Hun tho is he not?

Brightside
10-10-2019, 07:51 PM
Shankland up top on his own isn’t great for him.

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 07:53 PM
Just noticed Cyprus beath Kazakhstan 2-1 away from home, we'll be struggling to finish above them at this rate..


Don’t think it’ll matter where we finish in this group. It’s all about the playoffs now and that ain’t going to be easy!

Helensburghhibs
10-10-2019, 07:54 PM
He is a Hun tho is he not?

No these guys are Scotland players to me. Slagging them off, booing them, wishing them to fail is classless

Pretty Boy
10-10-2019, 07:57 PM
Had the rest of the campaign not been such a disaster a draw in Russia would be a very good result. The losses to Kazakhstan and Russia at home have made it pretty much worthless though.

BoomtownHibees
10-10-2019, 07:57 PM
No these guys are Scotland players to me. Slagging them off, booing them, wishing them to fail is classless

Surely you can be both a Hun and a Scotland player?

Paul1642
10-10-2019, 08:01 PM
1-0 Russia :(

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:02 PM
1-0 Russia

Was coming

Brightside
10-10-2019, 08:02 PM
Charlie defending wrong side.

Hermit Crab
10-10-2019, 08:03 PM
Mulgrew. lol

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:03 PM
that's the game lost, 56 minutes without conceding was pretty decent

B.H.F.C
10-10-2019, 08:03 PM
1-0 Russia

Was coming

Wouldn’t say that. We were doing all right

Sylar
10-10-2019, 08:04 PM
FFS :rolleyes:

BoomtownHibees
10-10-2019, 08:04 PM
1-0 Russia

Was coming

It was our best spell up until that point

SlickShoes
10-10-2019, 08:04 PM
Mulgrew has always been awful at CH he should never be anywhere near the team

CMurdoch
10-10-2019, 08:05 PM
Great finish by The Wardrobe

SteveHFC
10-10-2019, 08:05 PM
Some goal.

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:05 PM
2-0

Fantastic strike

CMurdoch
10-10-2019, 08:06 PM
It was our best spell up until that point

isn't that always the way

Smartie
10-10-2019, 08:06 PM
What a f*****g strike that was.

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:06 PM
fs

heretoday
10-10-2019, 08:07 PM
A brilliant shot.

J-C
10-10-2019, 08:08 PM
2-0 cracking strike, all over now, another very poor performance from some very very average players, feel sorry for the quality guys like Robertson and McGinn having to play with that lot.

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:08 PM
Wouldn’t say that. We were doing all right


It’s been one way attack since kick off. Attack vs defence. We’ve done nothing in the final 3rd when we’ve had the ball. Can’t remember their GK and defenders being under any sort of pressure.

CMurdoch
10-10-2019, 08:08 PM
Qualitat

Stuart93
10-10-2019, 08:08 PM
What happens to managers when they get in charge of the national team? Tactics game plan everything turns to *****

I don’t think we’ve actually got that bad a squad of players

hibee-boys
10-10-2019, 08:09 PM
Devlin....palmer? Never heard of them. Fraser, Mcginn, Robertson - individuals who are on top form at club level but never seem to have the same influence for Scotland.

Helensburghhibs
10-10-2019, 08:09 PM
Good strike but Mulgrew at fault for both for me. The players we have blooded are doing alright but it's the usual culprits we persist with that mean we end up with the same pish in the end

Robbo6-2
10-10-2019, 08:09 PM
Andy Robertson is having 1.
Think the captain's arm band is not helping him

Helensburghhibs
10-10-2019, 08:10 PM
Andy Robertson is having 1.
Think the captain's arm band is not helping him

He struggles big time when he spends long spells defending and has to stay narrow. I think Tierney will end up a better shout in there

Sylar
10-10-2019, 08:10 PM
Just **** off Scotland :rolleyes:

There's no redemption here - not a single person in blue tonight gets pass marks. Not a single bit of quality.

How the **** does Callum McGregor keep getting in this team?! He's utterly, utterly *****. Snodgrass has left Robertson exposed the entire night, Mulgrew is a horrible CH, Palmer keeps giving the ball away down the right, Fraser has been an enigma, McGinn has hardly touched the ball, Fleck is chasing shadows....

San Marino will give this shower of cowards a run for their money on Sunday - hopefully it occurs in front of an empty Hampden and the SFA finally get their fingers out their ***** and do something!

Smartie
10-10-2019, 08:11 PM
I've not watched all this game but the little I've seen I've been quite impressed by Palmer.

He looks miles better than O'Donnell.

If we can go some way towards solving one of our problem positions tonight, it's probably not that bad an outcome.

J-C
10-10-2019, 08:11 PM
Andy Robertson is having 1.
Think the captain's arm band is not helping him


Really not a lot he can do when he's surrounded by pish, can't do it all himself, for Liverpool he's got the confidence to attack knowing his position is covered but Mulgrew Devlin??

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:12 PM
still time for another couple of goals

Fife-Hibee
10-10-2019, 08:13 PM
They score, defence implodes, they score again right after, then nearly score another 2 or 3 straight after that. Same old boring story.

Torto7
10-10-2019, 08:15 PM
This isn't really competitive sport is it? Did we have any plan beyond try to keep the score down. Grim.

CloudSquall
10-10-2019, 08:15 PM
I'm struggling to think of a worse qualifying campaign, no matter how ***** it has got since 98 we've always (I think) had something to play for in the penultimate game at worst, FFS even Burley had us in contention in the last game.

Tyler Durden
10-10-2019, 08:15 PM
We need to be harder to beat, get the basics right and then be a bigger threat ourselves from set pieces.

The guys who are considered our top players, Robertson, McGinn, Fraser, Forrest for example very rarely produce a big moment or reproduce club form for Scotland.

People can slag off Mulgrew or other individuals but our squad are typically playing at a higher level than many teams who regularly outperform us at international level.

That third goal is an embarrassment

hibbie02
10-10-2019, 08:15 PM
He struggles big time when he spends long spells defending and has to stay narrow. I think Tierney will end up a better shout in there

It would help if he played in his proper position but appears to be trying to several positions at the back as our defence has looked sh*te. We never see him attacking for Scotland but that might have something to do with cr@p around him. Capitulation time.

Sir David Gray
10-10-2019, 08:15 PM
3-0

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:16 PM
Wish we had a striker like Dzuyba. Knows where the target is and gives the opposition CB problems.

Russia 3-0

Hermit Crab
10-10-2019, 08:16 PM
Comedy stuff. Embarrassing.

SteveHFC
10-10-2019, 08:16 PM
And I have a ticket for Sunday’s game :faf:

Hermit Crab
10-10-2019, 08:17 PM
Devlin/Mulgrew. Utter *****

J-C
10-10-2019, 08:17 PM
That was just sunday league defending, it's really embarrassing how bad a team we've become.

Sylar
10-10-2019, 08:17 PM
And I have a ticket for Sunday’s game :faf:

I'd say "sell it", but no **** in their right mind will buy it.

Worst Scotland team I've ever had the displeasure of watching. Players don't look like they give a **** either.

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:17 PM
And I have a ticket for Sunday’s game :faf:


You are mad at even buying a ticket for that game in the 1st place 😂

Tyler Durden
10-10-2019, 08:18 PM
McGinn to blame for that 3rd goal, he’s been woeful again

heretoday
10-10-2019, 08:18 PM
It's after you Cyril, no after you Claude at the back.

Helensburghhibs
10-10-2019, 08:18 PM
It would help if he played in his proper position but appears to be trying to several positions at the back as our defence has looked sh*te. We never see him attacking for Scotland but that might have something to do with cr@p around him. Capitulation time.

Yeah that's what I was implying mate. He needs to play either further forward or with more freedom. He is almost like a left centre back here

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:19 PM
liam cooper ? liam cooper is injured you eejit provan

Ringothedog
10-10-2019, 08:19 PM
This will end up 5-0, our manager is poor and has to take the blame for this debacle.Strachan was hounded out for this clueless muppet

David_D
10-10-2019, 08:19 PM
Northern Ireland beating the Dutch 1-0. Shows what a team that will do anything for each other can achieve.

Hiber-nation
10-10-2019, 08:19 PM
You could say we don't have the players but look at that N Ireland line up. Smith of Hearts and Lafferty. Ok they've got a good central defence but that's about it.

vercol36
10-10-2019, 08:20 PM
Christ. At least my wife’s Northern Irish... I can pretend to support them. 1 up against Netherlands

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:20 PM
What game is Provan watching?

Liam Cooper isn’t even in the squad!

Torto7
10-10-2019, 08:21 PM
Scotland should try a back three. Porteous called up. Tierney can play LCB and whoever else from the woeful options we have.

Porteous/Whoever/Tiernay
Fraser Mctominay McGinn Robertson
Christie/Gilmour
Forest Fletcher??

Golden Bear
10-10-2019, 08:21 PM
Gordon Strachan's comment about genetics springs to mind tonight. These Russian guys look bigger, more athletic and definitely more skilful. We ain't got the players right now and that's a fact.

roo62
10-10-2019, 08:21 PM
Just got to be patient and wait for Porteous McKenna and Halkett next year then we might have a decent defence :-)

J-C
10-10-2019, 08:21 PM
Would you like the Scotland job, you've been doing fairly well at club level...another terrible Scotland manager suddenly appears, why does this job turn decent managers into complete pap.

CloudSquall
10-10-2019, 08:22 PM
Northern Ireland beating the Dutch 1-0. Shows what a team that will do anything for each other can achieve.

Looking at their squad it astounds me how they perform, FFS they are mixing it up with the Dutch and Germans while we are getting pounded by an injury ravaged Russia and looking to be finishing behind 'kin Cyprus in the group.

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:22 PM
Scotland 61 Russia 2

Golden Bear
10-10-2019, 08:22 PM
What game is Provan watching?

Liam Cooper isn’t even in the squad!

Glad I'm not the only one who was wondering! 😁

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:22 PM
You could say we don't have the players but look at that N Ireland line up. Smith of Hearts and Lafferty. Ok they've got a good central defence but that's about it.


It’s crazy that on paper Scotland have a better squad than Northern Ireland but Northern Ireland have come on leaps and bounds under O’Neill and play some lovely stuff.

hibee-boys
10-10-2019, 08:23 PM
McGinn to blame for that 3rd goal, he’s been woeful again

Love the guy but never seen him have a good game for Scotland.

Hulk1875
10-10-2019, 08:24 PM
Surely we have enough quality players Robertson McGinn possibly couple more to build a squad around with ok players and challenge look at Northern Ireland we have more superstars than them wtf is going on

xyz23jc
10-10-2019, 08:24 PM
it’s crazy that on paper scotland have a better squad than northern ireland but northern ireland have come on leaps and bounds under o’neill and play some lovely stuff.

better manager?

Brightside
10-10-2019, 08:24 PM
Announce Hanlon.

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:25 PM
Just got to be patient and wait for Porteous McKenna and Halkett next year then we might have a decent defence :-)


McKenna won’t make a difference. Another brutal defender.

HoboHarry
10-10-2019, 08:26 PM
better manager?

What was his record in his first 15 games?

roo62
10-10-2019, 08:26 PM
McKenna won’t make a difference. Another brutal defender.

He is far better than Mulgrew and Devlin that's for sure

Hibby Bairn
10-10-2019, 08:26 PM
Gordon Strachan's comment about genetics springs to mind tonight. These Russian guys look bigger, more athletic and definitely more skilful. We ain't got the players right now and that's a fact.

How come we beat them at rugby then?

we are hibs
10-10-2019, 08:26 PM
Our squad is *****. People can claim differently but how many managers do we need to go through before people realise its the players? We are international minnows these days. Expect nothing and you wont be let down. One day we might have a half decent competent team again but its miles away at the minute

Fife-Hibee
10-10-2019, 08:27 PM
It’s crazy that on paper Scotland have a better squad than Northern Ireland but Northern Ireland have come on leaps and bounds under O’Neill and play some lovely stuff.

It's not crazy at all. It makes perfect sense. For reasons that neither Scotland or Hibs can seem to grasp.

HoboHarry
10-10-2019, 08:27 PM
Our squad is *****. People can claim differently but how many managers do we need to go through before people realise its the players? We are international minnows these days. Expect nothing and you wont be let down. One day we might have a half decent competent team again but its miles away at the minute
Exactly.

Sylar
10-10-2019, 08:29 PM
Our squad is *****. People can claim differently but how many managers do we need to go through before people realise its the players? We are international minnows these days. Expect nothing and you wont be let down. One day we might have a half decent competent team again but its miles away at the minute

I didn't like the announcement of Clarke at the time - he had one good year at Killie and was pronounced as some kind of Messiah.

But you're absolutely correct. Guardiola couldn't get a winning side from what we have available to us.

Ozyhibby
10-10-2019, 08:29 PM
Your all looking at it wrong. Think of the money Scotland saved by not paying what they needed to pay to get Michael O’Neil. Much cheaper to go with McLeish. That’s what it’s all about.


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heretoday
10-10-2019, 08:29 PM
How come we beat them at rugby then?

The rugby boys are better fed.

Hiber-nation
10-10-2019, 08:30 PM
Our squad is *****. People can claim differently but how many managers do we need to go through before people realise its the players? We are international minnows these days. Expect nothing and you wont be let down. One day we might have a half decent competent team again but its miles away at the minute

I wonder how Northern Ireland manage it then. Their squad is worse than ours.

Golden Bear
10-10-2019, 08:30 PM
Scotland 61 Russia 2

61-4. They're getting there.

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:31 PM
told yi...another two goals



and that concludes the scoring for tonight

Sylar
10-10-2019, 08:31 PM
How many players did Dzubya bounce off? How easily did they squeeze the ball to players past our absolutely hapless defenders?!

The SFA should be reimbursing every single person who spent their money to go and watch this utter farce.

I'm done with the national team - they don't give a ****, so neither will I.

J-C
10-10-2019, 08:31 PM
4-0 just so poor.

Torto7
10-10-2019, 08:31 PM
He is far better than Mulgrew and Devlin that's for sure

That's not saying much though is it. McKenna is brutal, as is Hanley and Cooper.

xyz23jc
10-10-2019, 08:31 PM
What was his record in his first 15 games?

Do you agree? Are you happy with Scotland's performances so far? If so, fair enough! Personally speaking, Clarke is out of his depth, that's my view! Bertie Vogts and McLeish were hounded out for far less! Time for change!

Helensburghhibs
10-10-2019, 08:32 PM
Scotland should try a back three. Porteous called up. Tierney can play LCB and whoever else from the woeful options we have.

Porteous/Whoever/Tiernay
Fraser Mctominay McGinn Robertson
Christie/Gilmour
Forest Fletcher??

Soutar mckenna porteus
Get a team built around these boys

Hiber-nation
10-10-2019, 08:32 PM
And it's time the captaincy was given to someone else as Andy Robertson can't cope with it. Who though??!?

theonlywayisup
10-10-2019, 08:32 PM
Do you think we'll beat San Marino?

neil7908
10-10-2019, 08:32 PM
Exactly.

But is it worse than Northern Ireland, Iceland or Albania? All of whom made the last Euros.

I don't think we are a brilliant team but take a look at that Northern Ireland squad and tell me honestly if you think they have better players than us.

we are hibs
10-10-2019, 08:33 PM
I wonder how Northern Ireland manage it then. Their squad is worse than ours.

Considering they consistently get better results than us im not sure thats true. They may be playing at lower levels at clubs but as a country they are undoubtedly better and have been for a few years

Ozyhibby
10-10-2019, 08:33 PM
I wonder how Northern Ireland manage it then. Their squad is worse than ours.

The whole culture of the NI FA is about winning and doing the absolute best they can. They spent a fortune to keep O’Neil but they think it’s worth it.
Ours is about saving a few quid here and there and now we are moving into property development with Hampden park.
We know Petrie’s MO, this will not come as a surprise to many.


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cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:33 PM
Do you think we'll beat San Marino?



yes, Belgium have softened them up for us tonight 8-0

CMac1988
10-10-2019, 08:33 PM
I wonder how Northern Ireland manage it then. Their squad is worse than ours.

Hard work and pride. Something that 90% of Scotland players lack.

hfc rd
10-10-2019, 08:33 PM
Our squad is *****. People can claim differently but how many managers do we need to go through before people realise its the players? We are international minnows these days. Expect nothing and you wont be let down. One day we might have a half decent competent team again but its miles away at the minute


I’m not going to blame the manager but have you seen the Northern Ireland team that is presently drawing with Holland on their own back yard? We’ve got guys like Robertson, McGinn, Fraser etc that are playing regularly in the EPL and doing really well too. Northern Ireland have players like Michael Smith from Hearts and Kyle Lafferty who got emptied by Rangers and now playing for some random Norwegian team.

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:34 PM
uno-uno netherlands

HoboHarry
10-10-2019, 08:35 PM
But is it worse than Northern Ireland, Iceland or Albania? All of whom made the last Euros.

I don't think we are a brilliant team but take a look at that Northern Ireland squad and tell me honestly if you think they have better players than us.
I don't but Michael O'Neil took time before he got it right. I asked earlier, what was his record like to start with?

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:35 PM
make that 9-0 belgium....like russia did

Torto7
10-10-2019, 08:36 PM
How come we beat them at rugby then?

Because its an excuse. Scotland is a small country but we still produce decent athletes in other sports. Murray and Josh Taylor, Eilidh Doyle and Laura Muir. Stuart Hogg etc.

The SFA are inept and not fit for purpose.

brog
10-10-2019, 08:36 PM
After the game against Germany, 3 years or so ago when Mulgrew ran back on to the line like a kid in the playground, I assumed that would be him finished. Here he is, 33 years old now & a complete embarrassment. Absolutely abject for 3 of the goals. Not his fault he's hopeless, should be nowhere near a Scotland squad.

bingo70
10-10-2019, 08:36 PM
How many players did Dzubya bounce off? How easily did they squeeze the ball to players past our absolutely hapless defenders?!

The SFA should be reimbursing every single person who spent their money to go and watch this utter farce.

I'm done with the national team - they don't give a ****, so neither will I.

Calm down 😂

The big boy up front for them wrestles bears for a laugh, it’s nothing to do with the players not caring.

Hermit Crab
10-10-2019, 08:36 PM
If San Marino get one on Sunday Scotland will crumble.

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:38 PM
2-1 netherlands

Sylar
10-10-2019, 08:38 PM
Calm down 😂

The big boy up front for them wrestles bears for a laugh, it’s nothing to do with the players not caring.

Ach, I'm just pissed off. All I've ever known from Scotland is mediocrity and I'm sick of it.

The players are strolling around, not looking like they give a **** - it's been that way most of the game.

Onion
10-10-2019, 08:39 PM
Annoying thing is you can't blame the manager. We've got such a poor set of players who are physically unable to compete, technically poor and now lack the passion that was at the heart of past national sides. Zero national pride.

theonlywayisup
10-10-2019, 08:39 PM
The two minnows of the group shipping 13 goals tonight.

weecounty hibby
10-10-2019, 08:39 PM
The rugby boys are better fed.
And also seem a bit more committed and interested in actually playing for heir country!

Hiber-nation
10-10-2019, 08:39 PM
If San Marino get one on Sunday Scotland will crumble.

Trust you. We are awful but San Marino are in a different league altogether.

Hermit Crab
10-10-2019, 08:39 PM
2-1 netherlands


3-1

Hermit Crab
10-10-2019, 08:40 PM
Trust you. We are awful but San Marino are in a different league altogether.


:tee hee:

Both teams to score then?

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:40 PM
1,000 tartan army bravehearts


hope they at least got cheap vodka :(

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:41 PM
7 games, 5 goals

Brightside
10-10-2019, 08:42 PM
:tee hee:

Both teams to score then?

That’s a proper bet btw.

xyz23jc
10-10-2019, 08:42 PM
annoying thing is you can't blame the manager. We've got such a poor set of players who are physically unable to compete, technically poor and now lack the passion that was at the heart of past national sides. Zero national pride.


wrong! It's the manager who is to blame, he manages the side. Bereft of ideas, out of his depth as a national manager.

HIBERNIAN-0762
10-10-2019, 08:43 PM
Never mind, at least the SFA fat cats will have enjoyed their 5 star jolly 🤗

Hibeesmad
10-10-2019, 08:43 PM
Steve Clarke at the wheel

erin go bragh
10-10-2019, 08:44 PM
Love the guy but never seen him have a good game for Scotland.

Man of the match in his first two caps . Get the young hungry players in now . Charlie Mulgrew and Snodgrass . Only watched the first 15m of the second half but as soon as Russia scored it was over .

theonlywayisup
10-10-2019, 08:45 PM
7 games, 5 goals

And conceded 17. Minus 12 goals.

We are becoming one of the whipping boys.

Sylar
10-10-2019, 08:45 PM
wrong! It's the manager who is to blame, he manages the side. Bereft of ideas, out of his depth as a national manager.

He can only piss with the cock he's got, and the current crop of national players are abysmal. There are some positions we just don't have any quality - RB, CH, LM, ST...plus, he clearly has his favourites and they don't belong on the park. McGregor is a perfect example. He's yet to have a decent game in a Scotland shirt.

Hibbyradge
10-10-2019, 08:45 PM
Your all looking at it wrong. Think of the money Scotland saved by not paying what they needed to pay to get Michael O’Neil. Much cheaper to go with McLeish. That’s what it’s all about.


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Eh?

Scotland tried to spend money on O'Neil.

Ozyhibby
10-10-2019, 08:48 PM
Eh?

Scotland tried to spend money on O'Neil.

Not enough though or he would be here.


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The 90+2
10-10-2019, 08:52 PM
Eh?

Scotland tried to spend money on O'Neil.

They didn’t offer as much as his new contract at NI. Thought he would come anyway.

cabbageandribs1875
10-10-2019, 08:53 PM
stats from the Holland v N'orn oirland game


possession
77% v 23%

Shots
23 v 2

on target
7 v 1

bingo70
10-10-2019, 08:58 PM
The thing that annoyed me about tonight is that it was all so bloody pointless.

We were never winning tonight, bring a few under 21’s in to the squad and start planning for the future.

Porteous, Gilmour and possibly Hornby wouldn’t have done any worse than what was out there tonight but they would have learned from it.

Start building a proper team and stop throwing random players in there hoping for a different result.

we are hibs
10-10-2019, 08:59 PM
Maybe a part of the problem is the fact we have quite a few players that arent actually scottish and only turn up so they can add "International footballer" to their C.V.

Stuart93
10-10-2019, 09:00 PM
The thing that annoyed me about tonight is that it was all so bloody pointless.

We were never winning tonight, bring a few under 21’s in to the squad and start planning for the future.

Porteous, Gilmour and possibly Hornby wouldn’t have done any worse than what was out there tonight but they would have learned from it.

Start building a proper team and stop throwing random players in there hoping for a different result.

Just go with 2 up top and have a go. **** all this one upfront pish it doesn’t work. For club and country in our case!!!

one day maybe...
10-10-2019, 09:03 PM
Rip it up and start again.. said no one ever at the SFA

Since452
10-10-2019, 09:03 PM
Abolish the national team

Gordy M
10-10-2019, 09:04 PM
They didn’t offer as much as his new contract at NI. Thought he would come anyway.

MON won one of his first 18 games in charge of Norn Ire. 1 in 18!?!?

Hibeesmad
10-10-2019, 09:06 PM
The thing that annoyed me about tonight is that it was all so bloody pointless.

We were never winning tonight, bring a few under 21’s in to the squad and start planning for the future.

Porteous, Gilmour and possibly Hornby wouldn’t have done any worse than what was out there tonight but they would have learned from it.

Start building a proper team and stop throwing random players in there hoping for a different result.

Under 21's were also playing tonight who are trying to qualify for the Euro 21's so I doubt they would have wanted to weaken their team to allow a few youngsters get their ***** spanked in Russia

Gmack7
10-10-2019, 09:08 PM
And conceded 17. Minus 12 goals.

We are becoming one of the whipping boys.

no we're not as apparently there's no easy games in international football

HoboHarry
10-10-2019, 09:09 PM
MON won one of his first 18 games in charge of Norn Ire. 1 in 18!?!?

That's what I was getting at earlier in the thread. As usual the sack Clarke brigade won't acknowledge the O'Neil stats.....

H18 SFR
10-10-2019, 09:09 PM
Had Russia -3. 💯💯💯

Ozyhibby
10-10-2019, 09:16 PM
That's what I was getting at earlier in the thread. As usual the sack Clarke brigade won't acknowledge the O'Neil stats.....

I’m not in the sack Clarke brigade. Doubt it will make any difference. Nothing will change until the SFA is changed.


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HoboHarry
10-10-2019, 09:17 PM
I’m not in the sack Clarke brigade. Doubt it will make any difference. Nothing will change until the SFA is changed.


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I've been saying exactly that for years.

Gordy M
10-10-2019, 09:20 PM
I’m not in the sack Clarke brigade. Doubt it will make any difference. Nothing will change until the SFA is changed.


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Ive seen this written a few times. Im genuinely interested in what changes can be made to improve the national team? Do you mean youth development?

CMurdoch
10-10-2019, 09:29 PM
After the San Marino game it must be goodbye and good luck to 33 and a half year old Charlie Mulgrew.
Championship Blackburn have already done this because Tony Mowbray recognised that his deficiencies now outweigh his positives. He is a midfielder playing at centre half. Good on the ball and good passer but not a winner of the ball on the ground or in the air.

He does his best but we need robust central defenders for nights like tonight.

Centre Halves available are in ascending order:
Down South
Cooper
Hanley

Up Here
McKenna
Soutter
Porteous

We might even be better playing 3 centre halves AFTER the San Marino game

Porteous is the only one i would confidently critique because i don't see enough of the rest to give an informed opinion
He is undoubtably a tough tackler
In the air - not bad but the likes of the goal he conceded against Cosgrove at the weekend was poor and the big wardrobe who played up front for Russia tonight is far better and stronger than Sam C so could be exposed.
On the ball - reliable but basic.
I think he will be in the full Scotland squad by the start of next season if he can keep clear of injuries and get another 30 games in.

Personally i would play McKenna, Porteous and Soutter with Robertson & Tierney covering back and moving forward either side of the back 3.
Couldn't be weaker than what we presently have.

bingo70
10-10-2019, 09:39 PM
Under 21's were also playing tonight who are trying to qualify for the Euro 21's so I doubt they would have wanted to weaken their team to allow a few youngsters get their ***** spanked in Russia

The under 21‘s qualifying for anything means nothing in the bigger picture I’m afraid, well imo anyway.

The best under 21’s throughout the world are playing for their senior side so any under 21’s doing well is basically the best of the second best under 21’s.

The under 21’s could get pumped 10 nil but if the best young players have a pathway to the first team then it’s a job done.

The fact we see the under 21’s as a competitive tournament rather than a way of progressing players to the first team is part of the problem.

The 90+2
10-10-2019, 09:42 PM
MON won one of his first 18 games in charge of Norn Ire. 1 in 18!?!?

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?

HoboHarry
10-10-2019, 09:45 PM
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?

That he was given time to turn things around, unlike those who would be all for dismissing Steve Clarke already.....

CMurdoch
10-10-2019, 09:51 PM
The thing that annoyed me about tonight is that it was all so bloody pointless.

We were never winning tonight, bring a few under 21’s in to the squad and start planning for the future.

Porteous, Gilmour and possibly Hornby wouldn’t have done any worse than what was out there tonight but they would have learned from it.

Start building a proper team and stop throwing random players in there hoping for a different result.

Porteous has the best chance because their is so little quality in his position
Gilmour - good player but no need to dump him in that Scotland team given there are decent players in his position
Hornby - plays like an under 21 player and has struggled to make an impact in the U21 games i have watched including this evening.

I certainly agree it was pointless playing Mulgrew tonight

Brightside
11-10-2019, 07:50 AM
Porteous has the best chance because their is so little quality in his position
Gilmour - good player but no need to dump him in that Scotland team given there are decent players in his position
Hornby - plays like an under 21 player and has struggled to make an impact in the U21 games i have watched including this evening.

I certainly agree it was pointless playing Mulgrew tonight

What about Hanlon.

Hiber-nation
11-10-2019, 08:08 AM
What about Hanlon.

2 years ago almost everyone on here (including me) was screaming for him to be included. Even you must admit his form's gone downhill and he has to somehow get back to that form before he can be considered.

Diclonius
11-10-2019, 08:11 AM
That he was given time to turn things around, unlike those who would be all for dismissing Steve Clarke already.....

I've been saying for years that the manager isn't the problem with Scotland. The players we have and the failure of the SFA to get a good youth system up and running is.

They'll be delighted the fans always lambast the manager, and they'll be really ****ing relieved that FIFA suspends you if your government, say, wants to rip you up and start again. :aok:

Brightside
11-10-2019, 08:14 AM
2 years ago almost everyone on here (including me) was screaming for him to be included. Even you must admit his form's gone downhill and he has to somehow get back to that form before he can be considered.

Best CH in the league for the last 3 games. Bang in form. 😂

Dav1986
11-10-2019, 01:19 PM
Surely this should be part of the non-Hibs games thread? Otherwise, what is the point in that thread?

Would also mean that I'm not reminded of last nights result if it was when I come on here :greengrin

Walter
11-10-2019, 01:40 PM
Clarke needs to be given years to sort this out.

Diclonius
11-10-2019, 01:57 PM
Clarke needs to be given years to sort this out.

Yup. Give him all the time he wants, he's the man for the job.

worcesterhibby
11-10-2019, 02:04 PM
I've been saying for years that the manager isn't the problem with Scotland. The players we have and the failure of the SFA to get a good youth system up and running is.

They'll be delighted the fans always lambast the manager, and they'll be really ****ing relieved that FIFA suspends you if your government, say, wants to rip you up and start again. :aok:

That's true and I am certainly not in favour of laying the blame at Clarke's door or calling for his head...but we have definitely gone backwards since Strachan. By the end of his tenure we were competitive and well drilled with a bit of passion as well. We seem to have lost all of this and gone backwards.

JimBHibees
13-10-2019, 07:03 AM
What about Hanlon.

Should be concentrating on keeping his place in the Hibs team.:greengrin

JimBHibees
13-10-2019, 07:06 AM
That's true and I am certainly not in favour of laying the blame at Clarke's door or calling for his head...but we have definitely gone backwards since Strachan. By the end of his tenure we were competitive and well drilled with a bit of passion as well. We seem to have lost all of this and gone backwards.

Agree totally we were pretty good near the end of Strachans campaign. Only should have got rid if better was signed and sealed. The Michael O'Neill approach was shambolic and to then bring McLeish in dear oh dear.

JimBHibees
13-10-2019, 07:09 AM
Yup. Give him all the time he wants, he's the man for the job.

Definitely needs time however all performances since he has taken over have been very poor. Maybe more suited to club management which allows you to drill a team defensively day after day. He obviously done an amazing job at Killie however his teams were functional and quite defensive rather than good to watch. First thing I would do would be to take captaincy from Robertson as think he is carrying the weight of that a bit and affecting his performances.

Phil MaGlass
13-10-2019, 07:15 AM
I've been saying for years that the manager isn't the problem with Scotland. The players we have and the failure of the SFA to get a good youth system up and running is.

They'll be delighted the fans always lambast the manager, and they'll be really ****ing relieved that FIFA suspends you if your government, say, wants to rip you up and start again. :aok:

This, Govt should step in anyway. As there´s no way in the near future this sad state of affairs is going to change who gives a **** about being suspended, bring it on.

GreenOnions
13-10-2019, 08:31 AM
Personally i would play McKenna, Porteous and Soutter with Robertson & Tierney covering back and moving forward either side of the back 3.
Couldn't be weaker than what we presently have.

I see where you're coming from with this. However - when a team's playing poorly there's always that trade-off between bolstering areas in which you're weak and making the most of your strengths.

I would worry that playing the formation you suggest would imply playing fewer of our better players further up the pitch in midfield and wide areas.

You would obviously want both Tierney and Robertson in the side but three central defenders would mean one fewer in midfield and probably no other wide players.

Midfield is probably our strongest area. Our best options include McGinn, McGregor, McTominay, Christie and Armstrong whilst we have Forrest and Fraser in wide areas.

You'd want to include as many of those as you can wouldn't you?