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cabbageandribs1875
07-10-2019, 01:12 AM
this is the diplomats wife that crashed in to the young laddie on his motorbike down south, Harry Dunn, she admitted her fault straight away when questioned by police after the accident and at the time said she had no plans to leave the country, that changed when the laddie died, then she fled back to the US on advice of some unknown ******* in america, ******* coward of a human being, she has two children herself, lets see if Trump steps in


https://usbreakingnews.net/2019/10/06/anne-sacoolas-5-fast-facts-you-need-to-know/



Anne Sacoolas is the U.S. diplomat’s wife who fled from the United Kingdom (https://heavy.com/tag/united-kingdom/) to America after a crash that killed 19-year-old British motorcyclist Harry Dunn in Northamptonshire, Sky News reports (https://news.sky.com/story/anne-sacoolas-identity-revealed-of-diplomats-wife-who-fatally-hit-british-teen-and-claimed-immunity-11829478?awc=11005_1570399136_b35ff9b45dfc2e572700 76c949a35b1d&dcmp=afc-101248-na-na-longtail&dclid=CjgKEAjwoebsBRDSt7jevoTW_FcSJAAXN77XSw4CQnAO KBs4E2qv9wG8sdyefU6wF2mB62AvIIB1CvD_BwE). She has claimed diplomatic immunity.

Cataplana
07-10-2019, 08:13 AM
this is the diplomats wife that crashed in to the young laddie on his motorbike down south, Harry Dunn, she admitted her fault straight away when questioned by police after the accident and at the time said she had no plans to leave the country, that changed when the laddie died, then she fled back to the US on advice of some unknown ******* in america, ******* coward of a human being, she has two children herself, lets see if Trump steps in


https://usbreakingnews.net/2019/10/06/anne-sacoolas-5-fast-facts-you-need-to-know/



Anne Sacoolas is the U.S. diplomat’s wife who fled from the United Kingdom (https://heavy.com/tag/united-kingdom/) to America after a crash that killed 19-year-old British motorcyclist Harry Dunn in Northamptonshire, Sky News reports (https://news.sky.com/story/anne-sacoolas-identity-revealed-of-diplomats-wife-who-fatally-hit-british-teen-and-claimed-immunity-11829478?awc=11005_1570399136_b35ff9b45dfc2e572700 76c949a35b1d&dcmp=afc-101248-na-na-longtail&dclid=CjgKEAjwoebsBRDSt7jevoTW_FcSJAAXN77XSw4CQnAO KBs4E2qv9wG8sdyefU6wF2mB62AvIIB1CvD_BwE). She has claimed diplomatic immunity.

These things happen all the time. Unfortunately for her, last week USA put a 25% tariff on single malt.

You wouldn't be hearing about this otherwise.

Moulin Yarns
07-10-2019, 08:21 AM
These things happen all the time. Unfortunately for her, last week USA put a 25% tariff on single malt.

You wouldn't be hearing about this otherwise.

Ronnie Biggs was chased down after the great train robbery. I don't remember anything about a tariff on whisky back then. 😉

cabbageandribs1875
07-10-2019, 09:18 AM
These things happen all the time. Unfortunately for her, last week USA put a 25% tariff on single malt.

You wouldn't be hearing about this otherwise.


seriously ? :confused: the incident was in the news before any tariffs were disclosed, as for these events happening all the time we're not talking about some privileged diplomats wife parking on double yellow lines, a human being is dead because of her actions, she's not fled the country because of dodged parking tickets, diplomats/diplomats spouses kill people all the time ? i'm quite sure we would hear about those events with or without news of tariffs.

Cataplana
07-10-2019, 10:26 AM
seriously ? :confused: the incident was in the news before any tariffs were disclosed, as for these events happening all the time we're not talking about some privileged diplomats wife parking on double yellow lines, a human being is dead because of her actions, she's not fled the country because of dodged parking tickets, diplomats/diplomats spouses kill people all the time ? i'm quite sure we would hear about those events with or without news of tariffs.

Must be a complete coincidence it's in the news thus week then.

Edit: as you say, the story is old, yet this is the week it makes it to the top of news bulletins.

Also, diplomats get off with all sorts of serious crimes, and don't face prosecution.

Hiber-nation
07-10-2019, 10:40 AM
These things happen all the time. Unfortunately for her, last week USA put a 25% tariff on single malt.

You wouldn't be hearing about this otherwise.

Aye, foreign Diplomats regularly kill British citizens. Behave.

Cataplana
07-10-2019, 11:26 AM
Aye, foreign Diplomats regularly kill British citizens. Behave.

Well, getting back to the original post. I think the woman should be sent back. It isn't right,and I'm sure USA will agree.

Just_Jimmy
07-10-2019, 12:42 PM
USA won't wave her immunity. We have no negotiating power either. It's a ridiculously outdated concept regardless and should only ever extend to cover issues that are directly related to the role or testifying under oath etc when it may compromise something or someone else directly related to the role.

It should never ever cover causing death by dangerous or death by careless driving.

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Future17
07-10-2019, 03:10 PM
this is the diplomats wife that crashed in to the young laddie on his motorbike down south, Harry Dunn, she admitted her fault straight away when questioned by police after the accident and at the time said she had no plans to leave the country, that changed when the laddie died, then she fled back to the US on advice of some unknown ******* in america, ******* coward of a human being, she has two children herself, lets see if Trump steps in


https://usbreakingnews.net/2019/10/06/anne-sacoolas-5-fast-facts-you-need-to-know/



Anne Sacoolas is the U.S. diplomat’s wife who fled from the United Kingdom (https://heavy.com/tag/united-kingdom/) to America after a crash that killed 19-year-old British motorcyclist Harry Dunn in Northamptonshire, Sky News reports (https://news.sky.com/story/anne-sacoolas-identity-revealed-of-diplomats-wife-who-fatally-hit-british-teen-and-claimed-immunity-11829478?awc=11005_1570399136_b35ff9b45dfc2e572700 76c949a35b1d&dcmp=afc-101248-na-na-longtail&dclid=CjgKEAjwoebsBRDSt7jevoTW_FcSJAAXN77XSw4CQnAO KBs4E2qv9wG8sdyefU6wF2mB62AvIIB1CvD_BwE). She has claimed diplomatic immunity.

I hadn't heard she had admitted fault...where did you read that?

Peevemor
07-10-2019, 03:31 PM
USA won't wave her immunity. We have no negotiating power either. It's a ridiculously outdated concept regardless and should only ever extend to cover issues that are directly related to the role or testifying under oath etc when it may compromise something or someone else directly related to the role.

It should never ever cover causing death by dangerous or death by careless driving.

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My wife worked at the French Consulate in Edinburgh for a couple of years. The staff was about 2/3 diplomatic service (who had diplomatic immunity) and 1/3 people employed locally, my wife included, who didn't.

With 2 or 3 exceptions, the diplomatic service staff were fairly low ranking admin types who dealt with visa applications and suchlike, yet they could park wherever they wanted at any time with no risk of a ticket or getting towed. The same went for speed cameras, etc.

This was regardless of whether it was the consulate employees or their spouses who were driving, as long as the (often privately owned) car had diplomatic plates.

The Modfather
07-10-2019, 04:39 PM
My wife worked at the French Consulate in Edinburgh for a couple of years. The staff was about 2/3 diplomatic service (who had diplomatic immunity) and 1/3 people employed locally, my wife included, who didn't.

With 2 or 3 exceptions, the diplomatic service staff were fairly low ranking admin types who dealt with visa applications and suchlike, yet they could park wherever they wanted at any time with no risk of a ticket or getting towed. The same went for speed cameras, etc.

This was regardless of whether it was the consulate employees or their spouses who were driving, as long as the (often privately owned) car had diplomatic plates.

https://youtu.be/kwC_IaY3BmY

pollution
07-10-2019, 05:00 PM
If she doesn't come back her life will be in ruins. She has a son of her own and looking at her photo seems a typical down to earth mom.

Ostracised for ever by her fellow countrymen let alone her family and friends. It will eat into her every day for the rest of her rotting life.

Having said that I think she will return with a deal in the offing: a guilty plea with a suspended sentence.

I feel for the boys' family.

Bostonhibby
07-10-2019, 05:23 PM
If she doesn't come back her life will be in ruins. She has a son of her own and looking at her photo seems a typical down to earth mom.

Ostracised for ever by her fellow countrymen let alone her family and friends. It will eat into her every day for the rest of her rotting life.

Having said that I think she will return with a deal in the offing: a guilty plea with a suspended sentence.

I feel for the boys' family.A fudge might be created by two morally bankrupt governments that might, just might make her come back to face what she deliberately ran away from. What amazes me is she gets the choice.

She could just sway enough opinion at home, now that she's sneaked back there, by saying she was only in the UK making America great again. Might shift enough public opinion her way to make the original crime she ran away from a sideshow.

Horrible people.

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Cataplana
07-10-2019, 05:27 PM
Ronnie Biggs was chased down after the great train robbery. I don't remember anything about a tariff on whisky back then. ��

Ronnie Biggs was a British citizen. I'm not sure it's possible to have a trade war with yourself. ��



My wife worked at the French Consulate in Edinburgh for a couple of years. The staff was about 2/3 diplomatic service (who had diplomatic immunity) and 1/3 people employed locally, my wife included, who didn't.

With 2 or 3 exceptions, the diplomatic service staff were fairly low ranking admin types who dealt with visa applications and suchlike, yet they could park wherever they wanted at any time with no risk of a ticket or getting towed. The same went for speed cameras, etc.

This was regardless of whether it was the consulate employees or their spouses who were driving, as long as the (often privately owned) car had diplomatic plates.

I suppose the most extreme example is the case of PC Yvonne Fletcher, who was shot by someone inside the Libyan Embassy. No one ever stood trial, or was charged for that, as those inside were able to leave the country under diplomatic immunity.

cabbageandribs1875
07-10-2019, 07:31 PM
I hadn't heard she had admitted fault...where did you read that?



i honestly can't find one of the links i was reading that said she was aware it was her fault, after a quick google this is the nearest to it,for now


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/07/harry-dunn-crash-pm-to-raise-anne-sacoolas-case-with-white-house


Police said the suspect “engaged fully” with them at the time and confirmed “that she had no plans to leave the country in the near future”.
Northamptonshire police disclosed only on Saturday that Sacoolas had left the UK despite previously telling officers she intended to remain in the UK


you don't flee if you've done nothing wrong, imo

lapsedhibee
07-10-2019, 07:39 PM
I hadn't heard she had admitted fault...where did you read that?

Not a confession, but polis don't think there's any mystery about the accident:
"Police told Sky News that initial findings showed Harry was on the correct side of the road, but that a woman who pulled out of the base onto the wrong side hit him head-on."

Colr
07-10-2019, 07:45 PM
Not a confession, but polis don't think there's any mystery about the accident:
"Police told Sky News that initial findings showed Harry was on the correct side of the road, but that a woman who pulled out of the base onto the wrong side hit him head-on."

First Prince Phillip and now her!!

cabbageandribs1875
07-10-2019, 07:52 PM
wonder if Mr Assange is panicking incase he's used in a swap deal :hmmm: or his expected extradition date gets delayed, and delayed, and..

NORTHERNHIBBY
07-10-2019, 08:32 PM
Chance for our Prime Minister to show that he stands up for the UK and isn't Donald's lackey.

Smartie
07-10-2019, 08:38 PM
Why TF would anyone want to be a friend of America in the modern world?

They are a disgrace.

Cataplana
08-10-2019, 08:28 AM
Chance for our Prime Minister to show that he stands up for the UK and isn't Donald's lackey.

Its almost as if they've deliberately pushed the story to make Bojo look like his own man.

Bristolhibby
08-10-2019, 03:43 PM
This sorry tale gets more and more interesting. If he is doing what the article says he’s doing, no way she’s coming back.

Sneaky *******s spying on us!

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/jonathan-sacoolas-is-not-and-has-never-been-a-diplomat/

Jonathan Sacoolas Is Not, and Has Never Been, a Diplomat

8 Oct, 2019

There is no Jonathan Sacoolas on the official Diplomatic list. Neither Sacoolas nor his wife has any right to claim diplomatic immunity under the Vienna Convention.

Article 31 of the Vienna Convention states that:

A diplomatic agent shall enjoy immunity from the criminal jurisdiction of the receiving state
Article 37 extends this privilege to family members living in his household. A “diplomatic agent” is defined in article 2(d).

The “members of the diplomatic staff” are the members of the staff of the mission having diplomatic rank;
Jonathan Sacoolas does not hold, and has never held, a diplomatic rank. He has never been a member of staff of a diplomatic mission. (All those with diplomatic rank appear in the diplomatic list, see above link. That list also includes some attaches who do not have diplomatic rank (depending on the type of attache), but there is nobody with diplomatic rank not in the list).

Jonathan Sacoolas does not have, and has never had, any entitlement to diplomatic immunity in international law. Sacoolas works as an NSA technical officer at the communications interceptions post at “RAF Croughton”. His role is support to the interception of communications from British citizens. As I explained in Murder in Samarkand, the NSA and GCHQ share all intelligence reports, but each faces legal constraints on mass spying on its own citizens. So the NSA has staff here fronting the spying on British citizens, while GCHQ has staff in the US fronting the spying on US citizens, and the polite fiction is that the results are transmitted back over the Atlantic to the US or UK respectively, before being “shared” with the partner intelligence agency.

None of which has anything to do with diplomacy, and Sacoolas must be the subject of a DSMA notice given that all mainstream media are referring to him constantly as a “diplomat”, when they all know that is not true. The irony is of course that if Sacoolas actually was a real diplomat, the US would very probably have waived the diplomatic immunity of his wife, as the issues around his presence and function would be much less sensitive.

The UK has no Vienna Convention obligation to acknowledge the “immunity” of Sacoolas’ wife, contrary to all reporting to date. What does apparently exist between the UK and US is a secret, bilateral agreement to treat GCHQ and NSA staff as if they had diplomatic immunity. That is not at all the same thing as Vienna Convention protection under international law. I cannot conceive the grief of Harry Dunn’s parents, but I do hope that they are not deceived by the pretence at intervention in this case by Johnson and Raab.

I am not at all convinced, as a matter of law, that the government has the power to grant, by bilateral treaty or otherwise, immunity from criminal prosecution to foreign nationals, plainly outside the provisions of the Vienna Convention. This should be tested by the courts.

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Sir David Gray
08-10-2019, 05:46 PM
It's disgraceful that there's a law in place that can allow someone to get away with committing a criminal offence like this or basically any offence involving the death of someone. It surely can't be the case that the law was set up for cases like that.

I have heard our Government make statements asking the US to reconsider their position regarding the immunity but it all seems quite mild mannered.

I can't help but think that if this was the wife of an Iranian or Russian diplomat who was responsible for this boy's death it might be a different story.

I hope this family gets justice.

Bristolhibby
08-10-2019, 08:32 PM
It's disgraceful that there's a law in place that can allow someone to get away with committing a criminal offence like this or basically any offence involving the death of someone. It surely can't be the case that the law was set up for cases like that.

I have heard our Government make statements asking the US to reconsider their position regarding the immunity but it all seems quite mild mannered.

I can't help but think that if this was the wife of an Iranian or Russian diplomat who was responsible for this boy's death it might be a different story.

I hope this family gets justice.

And if it were a Russian we would never see them. Russians do not extradite their citizens.

J

Killiehibbie
08-10-2019, 09:36 PM
Hiding behind the Vienna Convention is an affront to decency. Cases like this are not what it was designed for. These people and their families should not be able to claim any kind of immunity unless they are on official duties even then i'd hand her over for being glaiket.

Hibrandenburg
08-10-2019, 09:48 PM
If she doesn't come back her life will be in ruins. She has a son of her own and looking at her photo seems a typical down to earth mom.

Ostracised for ever by her fellow countrymen let alone her family and friends. It will eat into her every day for the rest of her rotting life.

Having said that I think she will return with a deal in the offing: a guilty plea with a suspended sentence.

I feel for the boys' family.

This is a golden opportunity for Trump to promote America and Americans first. There's no way she will be forced to come back and the US government will persuade her to stay put. His fan base will love this.

Sir David Gray
08-10-2019, 11:08 PM
And if it were a Russian we would never see them. Russians do not extradite their citizens.

J

True but I would expect the UK government to take a completely different approach if it had been a Russian responsible.

I'm quite sure there have been some high level talks between the UK and US governments recently but I'm not sure how much pressure is actually being placed on the Americans to waive this woman's immunity and get her extradited to the UK to face charges.

It seems the "special relationship" only works one way.

Mibbes Aye
08-10-2019, 11:21 PM
As much as she should face justice I can’t see how it happens. As bristolhibby posted and as is being posted in the media, she is the wife of an NSA officer. They are gone, they won’t be back, he might end up posted somewhere else in the world or stay in the USA but the US govt won’t likely leave an intelligence officer’s wife at the mercy of a foreign justice system, even when it is as close an ally as the U.K.

It is rubbish and flies in the face of justice for the victim’s family but I am astonished anyone would expect any different outcome.

JeMeSouviens
09-10-2019, 10:15 AM
As much as she should face justice I can’t see how it happens. As bristolhibby posted and as is being posted in the media, she is the wife of an NSA officer. They are gone, they won’t be back, he might end up posted somewhere else in the world or stay in the USA but the US govt won’t likely leave an intelligence officer’s wife at the mercy of a foreign justice system, even when it is as close an ally as the U.K.

It is rubbish and flies in the face of justice for the victim’s family but I am astonished anyone would expect any different outcome.

Yep, pretty sure that any UK->US requests around this case will be on a "nod and a wink" basis.

Anyway, mostly in these situations the "justice" the family want is the driver banged up as if they were a murderer. It must be awful losing your child in these circumstances but even if the woman went on trial it would most likely be a "death by careless driving" and possibly even a non-custodial sentence. Nobody would really get any satisfaction from it. It's a tragic accident caused by a moment of carelessness with terrible consequences.

I've done a lot of driving on the "other" side of the road and made mistakes a couple of times. Thankfully none as bad as this or that impacted on anyone else, but it's easily done. Accounts seem to suggest this woman co-operated with the police but has subsequently been advised (most likely more or less ordered) to get back to the US pronto.

Cataplana
09-10-2019, 10:29 AM
Yep, pretty sure that any UK->US requests around this case will be on a "nod and a wink" basis.

Anyway, mostly in these situations the "justice" the family want is the driver banged up as if they were a murderer. It must be awful losing your child in these circumstances but even if the woman went on trial it would most likely be a "death by careless driving" and possibly even a non-custodial sentence. Nobody would really get any satisfaction from it. It's a tragic accident caused by a moment of carelessness with terrible consequences.

I've done a lot of driving on the "other" side of the road and made mistakes a couple of times. Thankfully none as bad as this or that impacted on anyone else, but it's easily done. Accounts seem to suggest this woman co-operated with the police but has subsequently been advised (most likely more or less ordered) to get back to the US pronto.

Article in the Evening News this morning, about a very similar accident in East Lothian, the driver did not get a custodial sentence.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/american-woman-who-killed-north-berwick-pensioner-after-driving-wrong-side-road-spared-jail-sentence-649336

Moulin Yarns
09-10-2019, 10:45 AM
I see incidents of tourists driving on the wrong side of the road 3 or 4 times a year. Living in perthshire it is a frequent occurrence as tourists leave their hotel, visitor attractions and car parks they automatically turn the way they would at home. It happened this morning in Pitlochry. All hire cars should have prominent signs on the dashboard in main languages.

Peevemor
09-10-2019, 11:02 AM
I see incidents of tourists driving on the wrong side of the road 3 or 4 times a year. Living in perthshire it is a frequent occurrence as tourists leave their hotel, visitor attractions and car parks they automatically turn the way they would at home. It happened this morning in Pitlochry. All hire cars should have prominent signs on the dashboard in main languages.

I'd been living (and driving) in France for a month before my elder daughter was born. After the birth (and a long labour) I left the hospital at just before 6.00am - there wasn't another car on the road and I automatically headed off driving on the left instead of the right. It was only when I got to a roundabout 4-500yds up the road that I realised my mistake. When there are other cars about it's easy to go with the flow, it's when the roads are empty that you have to think twice.

in saying that, I opened the passenger door for myself nearly every morning during my first couple of years here, only to see that the steering whell was at the other side.

I also almost had a head on collision with a guy a couple of weeks ago. There are loads of roadworks in the town where I work and I was driving along a long one way street which, for the duration of the work, has had it's sense of direction changed. The guy I nearly hit lives on the street and, coming out his drive, set off as he's been doing for the past 15 years that he's lived there. It's easily done.

I

Just_Jimmy
09-10-2019, 12:05 PM
Yep, pretty sure that any UK->US requests around this case will be on a "nod and a wink" basis.

Anyway, mostly in these situations the "justice" the family want is the driver banged up as if they were a murderer. It must be awful losing your child in these circumstances but even if the woman went on trial it would most likely be a "death by careless driving" and possibly even a non-custodial sentence. Nobody would really get any satisfaction from it. It's a tragic accident caused by a moment of carelessness with terrible consequences.

I've done a lot of driving on the "other" side of the road and made mistakes a couple of times. Thankfully none as bad as this or that impacted on anyone else, but it's easily done. Accounts seem to suggest this woman co-operated with the police but has subsequently been advised (most likely more or less ordered) to get back to the US pronto.It'll 100% be death by careless.

RTA 1988. S2.B

Carries 6 months and or level 5 fine when tried summarily. If it's tried on indictment max is 5 years.

Points to prove is only driving fell below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver.

Even if she comes back, and she should, she won't get anywhere near the max.

I work with it every day and very often our justice system just flat out sucks. I feel for the family.

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ekhibee
09-10-2019, 12:51 PM
Whilst my first sympathies are obviously with the family of the deceased, and Mrs Sarcoolis should definitely be extradited if possible, at the same time it wasn't as if she buggered off to the US right after it happened, it was fully 2 weeks after. Are the police so incompetent that they didn't charge/arrest her within that 2 weeks? Somebody else can maybe enlighten me. If somebody is a foreign national and commits a crime in this country such as manslaughter I would of thought they would do a whole lot more than 'ask her not to leave the country.' Just my opinion, I have no idea regarding the legality of the situation.

Future17
09-10-2019, 01:26 PM
Whilst my first sympathies are obviously with the family of the deceased, and Mrs Sarcoolis should definitely be extradited if possible, at the same time it wasn't as if she buggered off to the US right after it happened, it was fully 2 weeks after. Are the police so incompetent that they didn't charge/arrest her within that 2 weeks? Somebody else can maybe enlighten me. If somebody is a foreign national and commits a crime in this country such as manslaughter I would of thought they would do a whole lot more than 'ask her not to leave the country.' Just my opinion, I have no idea regarding the legality of the situation.

I think the "leaving the country" aspect is a bit of a red herring; if she has diplomatic immunity, it's almost irrelevant where she is located with regard to being able to prosecute her (although the police would potentially have been able to question her further). The decision to remove her from the country would be more for her husband's benefit than hers.

From the police perspective, there are certain protocols which must be followed when seeking to charge someone who has diplomatic immunity, which is likely why she was not charged sooner.

Just_Jimmy
09-10-2019, 01:52 PM
Whilst my first sympathies are obviously with the family of the deceased, and Mrs Sarcoolis should definitely be extradited if possible, at the same time it wasn't as if she buggered off to the US right after it happened, it was fully 2 weeks after. Are the police so incompetent that they didn't charge/arrest her within that 2 weeks? Somebody else can maybe enlighten me. If somebody is a foreign national and commits a crime in this country such as manslaughter I would of thought they would do a whole lot more than 'ask her not to leave the country.' Just my opinion, I have no idea regarding the legality of the situation.

It's a driving offence. Not manslaughter.

The police don't charge for Death by Careless driving. It's a CPS charge and there's no way the CPS would charge if she has diplomatic immunity.

Even if she had been arrested her detention would have been refused as she'd have shown up as Diplomatic immunity. Regardless as soon as they had run her details at the road side it would have come back.

This isn't a police issue. It's a political issue.

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JimBHibees
09-10-2019, 03:41 PM
It'll 100% be death by careless.

RTA 1988. S2.B

Carries 6 months and or level 5 fine when tried summarily. If it's tried on indictment max is 5 years.

Points to prove is only driving fell below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver.

Even if she comes back, and she should, she won't get anywhere near the max.

I work with it every day and very often our justice system just flat out sucks. I feel for the family.

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Would it not be death by dangerous driving? Can't think of much more dangerous than driving down the wrong side of the road. Johnson will prove himself he is made of stern stuff by telling Trump he will be in trouble if this ever happens again.

Since90+2
09-10-2019, 04:44 PM
Out of interest does diplomatic immunity cover all crimes? For instance could a diplomat shoot someone dead in the middle of a busy street and just be allowed to leave the country in full view of authorities?

Just_Jimmy
09-10-2019, 04:52 PM
Would it not be death by dangerous driving? Can't think of much more dangerous than driving down the wrong side of the road. Johnson will prove himself he is made of stern stuff by telling Trump he will be in trouble if this ever happens again.For D by Dangerous you have to prove standard falls WAY below. It's harder to prove and the wrong side of the road could be argued at court that it was a lapse in consentration as she's used to driving in the USA and caused due to a mitigating factor such as tiredness or stress.

I would imagine CPS would charge D by Dangerous and hope for a guilty plea to D by careless which would guarantee a convinction. That's how they work.

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Just_Jimmy
09-10-2019, 04:54 PM
Would it not be death by dangerous driving? Can't think of much more dangerous than driving down the wrong side of the road. Johnson will prove himself he is made of stern stuff by telling Trump he will be in trouble if this ever happens again.I've seen some of the worst driving you could imagine only be charged as careless. Dangerous is pretty difficult to get a charge on.

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Moulin Yarns
09-10-2019, 04:56 PM
Out of interest does diplomatic immunity cover all crimes? For instance could a diplomat shoot someone dead in the middle of a busy street and just be allowed to leave the country in full view of authorities?
The closest example is probably the shooting of PC fletcher



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Yvonne_Fletcher

Killiehibbie
09-10-2019, 05:03 PM
The closest example is probably the shooting of PC fletcher



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Yvonne_Fletcher


The weapon probably left the country in the diplomatic 'bag' which is only supposed to contain documents or other items used by the state.
Diplomatic status must great if the so called diplomat wishes to smuggle things around the world.