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mjhibby
13-09-2019, 10:13 AM
Just thought id pay my tribute at the most unlikely hero of our times. Bercow as a youngster was as right wing as you could get but once he became speaker has imho being a massive voice of reason and holding the tory govts to account. Has he maybe overstepped the mark,definetely but we owe him a great debt for ensuring we maintain parliamentary democracy. If we had a different speaker we could be facing a no deal brexit and all the ensuing chaos and probably a large tory majority inflicting their extreme right wing agenda on the public. Thanks for everything john and of course for making bbc parliament fantastic viewing and actually getting folk interested in politics again.
His put downs have been legendary and has actually controled a febrile commons superbly.
Whoever follows has one hard act to follow. Will greatly miss him bellowing orrrrder,orrrder. Im sure we havent heard the last of him.

Cataplana
13-09-2019, 10:29 AM
I think Bercow was great box office. A preening narcissist who really enjoyed being centre stage, but he was great at tearing a strip off politicians on all sides.

JeMeSouviens
13-09-2019, 10:32 AM
I actually think he has been quite consistent in sticking up for parliamentary sovereignty and the majority view of MPs prevailing no matter what it is.

He's tailor made for the reality circuit, the only question is whether we see him on Strictly or I'm a Celeb first.

UNLOCK!

Hibernia&Alba
13-09-2019, 10:40 AM
He made quite a journey in his adult life from Monday Club (imperialist and racist) to appointing the first black female chaplain to the Commons. He was courageous enough to challenge himself and to change, which I think is always a sign of intelligence. I remember the great speech he made when paying tribute to Tony Benn, upon Benn's retirement. It won't be the same in parliament without the wee man.

Mibbes Aye
13-09-2019, 05:12 PM
I think being appointed to a role like Speaker changes you, and if you were an ideologue, you surrender that to what the office requires.

I also think that you can’t fail to fulfill the duties of the office, meaning you will undoubtedly upset those in the party you came from, when you make decisions that go against their views.

I have liked him and as has been posted, he has been a reforming Speaker.

At very certain points, the Speaker is absolutely critical in how this country is governed. I hope his replacement is robust, honest and free-minded, whilst understanding the strange panoply that we call a constitution.

Jack Hackett
13-09-2019, 06:14 PM
Top bloke :aok:

Hope we see a lot more of him before the end of October... starting next week when he presides over the re-opened House again.

Northernhibee
13-09-2019, 07:05 PM
#flyingflamingo

stoneyburn hibs
13-09-2019, 11:35 PM
Praise for a Tory, no thanks.

Hero, top bloke.

Sorry guys,not having it. He's clever, I'll give him that. Wee Nazi prick to a loveable reformist.

lord bunberry
13-09-2019, 11:40 PM
He’s like a proper man only smaller.

heretoday
14-09-2019, 06:07 PM
Odd figure but he's been a hero over this crisis.
His wife was a Labour MP I think.

Fife-Hibee
14-09-2019, 07:37 PM
I don't like the guy. But there's no doubting the commitment he put into his role. Hopefully he chooses a respectable replacement before dictator Boris tries to plonk his own arse in the seat.

Moulin Yarns
14-09-2019, 09:34 PM
I don't like the guy. But there's no doubting the commitment he put into his role. Hopefully he chooses a respectable replacement before dictator Boris tries to plonk his own arse in the seat.

He doesn't choose!!! There is a vote in the commons to appoint a speaker. Each party puts forward a nomination, your party will put forward Pete wishart.

Fife-Hibee
14-09-2019, 11:21 PM
He doesn't choose!!! There is a vote in the commons to appoint a speaker. Each party puts forward a nomination, your party will put forward Pete wishart.

I know the rules and laws. I also know Boris isn't a follower of them.

Future17
14-09-2019, 11:36 PM
I know the rules and laws. I also know Boris isn't a follower of them.

But you said you hoped Bercow chooses a respectable replacement...how is he supposed to do that? :confused:

Fife-Hibee
14-09-2019, 11:51 PM
But you said you hoped Bercow chooses a respectable replacement...how is he supposed to do that? :confused:

Bad wording on my part. He doesn't choose the speaker directly, but by stepping down when he did he ensured he had an element of control over who would be choosing the next speaker.

Moulin Yarns
15-09-2019, 07:27 AM
Bad wording on my part. He doesn't choose the speaker directly, but by stepping down when he did he ensured he had an element of control over who would be choosing the next speaker.

How? The MPs vote.

Allant1981
15-09-2019, 07:30 AM
Bad wording on my part. He doesn't choose the speaker directly, but by stepping down when he did he ensured he had an element of control over who would be choosing the next speaker.

He has no control at all regarding the next speaker

Future17
15-09-2019, 07:34 AM
Bad wording on my part. He doesn't choose the speaker directly, but by stepping down when he did he ensured he had an element of control over who would be choosing the next speaker.

You mean it's the current batch of MPs who will be choosing rather than the set elected after the next general election.

Gotcha. :aok:

NORTHERNHIBBY
15-09-2019, 02:01 PM
No one says order like he does. Sounds almost like oohdah. Not that he will play up to that either.....He has been terrific though. At times he has been more effective than the official opposition.

Weegreenman
15-09-2019, 03:14 PM
He absolutely loves himself. Can’t stand the bloke and the fact he’s a Tory only confirms my suspicions that they are all snobby up their own arse Etonian ****ers!!!!

Allant1981
15-09-2019, 04:54 PM
He absolutely loves himself. Can’t stand the bloke and the fact he’s a Tory only confirms my suspicions that they are all snobby up their own arse Etonian ****ers!!!!

That would be a valid point if he had went to eton

Weegreenman
15-09-2019, 06:57 PM
That would be a valid point if he had went to eton

He’s in their club, that’s good enough for me.

Northernhibee
16-09-2019, 09:36 AM
Praise for a Tory, no thanks.

Hero, top bloke.

Sorry guys,not having it. He's clever, I'll give him that. Wee Nazi prick to a loveable reformist.

No respect for the opinion of anybody who throws that word about.

If anything he's held back the far right of the Tory party in the face of humungous pressure.

Hibrandenburg
16-09-2019, 10:09 AM
No respect for the opinion of anybody who throws that word about.

If anything he's held back the far right of the Tory party in the face of humungous pressure.

I've no problem using the word Nazi, if it talks and acts like one then it normally is one. However Bercow is the exact opposite, he's been a stalwart of our democratic system by putting aside party allegiances and upholding a neutral stance when making rulings in the house. Proof of this is the fact that his largest critics come from inside his own party.

cabbageandribs1875
16-09-2019, 12:17 PM
Lindsay Hoyle 1/2 Fav

Harriet Harman 2/1

Chris Bryant 14/1

Rosie Winterton 25/1

Jacob Rees-Mogg 50/1

Jack Hackett
17-09-2019, 11:46 AM
I've no problem using the word Nazi, if it talks and acts like one then it normally is one. However Bercow is the exact opposite, he's been a stalwart of our democratic system by putting aside party allegiances and upholding a neutral stance when making rulings in the house. Proof of this is the fact that his largest critics come from inside his own party.

The use of emotive, insulting and misplaced language is trending atm. The 'Leave' campaign and Trump are masters in its use. People have become way too free with derogatory phraseology when they want to belittle anyone whose views are contrary to their own

SkintHibby
24-09-2019, 08:08 PM
I speak as a staunch SNP supporter and I have to say I think John Bercow has been a brilliant speaker and has done a sterling job protecting parliamentary democracy.

Brilliant John, can't believe I'm saying this about a Tory, but you'll be missed!

mjhibby
25-09-2019, 09:16 AM
No respect for the opinion of anybody who throws that word about.

If anything he's held back the far right of the Tory party in the face of humungous pressure.

If bercow hadn't been there god knows what Johnson would have tried. He was a test in his younger years but has more than made up for that imho.

Bangkok Hibby
25-09-2019, 01:20 PM
I speak as a staunch SNP supporter and I have to say I think John Bercow has been a brilliant speaker and has done a sterling job protecting parliamentary democracy.

Brilliant John, can't believe I'm saying this about a Tory, but you'll be missed!


Can't wait to read his no doubt upcoming autobiography

Sylar
25-09-2019, 01:41 PM
Bercow is an incredibly principled gentleman in the chamber and he will absolutely be missed. He has a control and management of the House that's completely lacking on deputy days when he's not present.

I would imagine the Conservatives might be nervous about having a speaker appointed - they've already lost their Parliamentary majority, so another one to the chair would result in the loss of another vote.

To read posters on here calling him a Nazi, an Etonian, and showing a flagrant ignorance for how the role is appointed tells me all I need to know about the political knowledge of many posters on this forum.

Hibbyradge
25-09-2019, 02:41 PM
Bercow is an incredibly principled gentleman in the chamber and he will absolutely be missed. He has a control and management of the House that's completely lacking on deputy days when he's not present.

I would imagine the Conservatives might be nervous about having a speaker appointed - they've already lost their Parliamentary majority, so another one to the chair would result in the loss of another vote.

To read posters on here calling him a Nazi, an Etonian, and showing a flagrant ignorance for how the role is appointed tells me all I need to know about the political knowledge of many posters on this forum.

I think it's the opposition's turn to appoint the next speaker. In any case, there are deputies which balance out the loss in voting fodder. I think.

stoneyburn hibs
25-09-2019, 02:55 PM
Bercow is an incredibly principled gentleman in the chamber and he will absolutely be missed. He has a control and management of the House that's completely lacking on deputy days when he's not present.

I would imagine the Conservatives might be nervous about having a speaker appointed - they've already lost their Parliamentary majority, so another one to the chair would result in the loss of another vote.

To read posters on here calling him a Nazi, an Etonian, and showing a flagrant ignorance for how the role is appointed tells me all I need to know about the political knowledge of many posters on this forum.

I called him a nazi and I was merely pointing out where he'd been politically before.
If that makes me flagrantly ignorant in your eyes, then so be it.

Scouse Hibee
25-09-2019, 03:18 PM
I’ll admit my poilitical knowledge or indeed interest is weak however Bercow is one of the few who I like listening to.

Sylar
25-09-2019, 03:35 PM
I called him a nazi and I was merely pointing out where he'd been politically before.
If that makes me flagrantly ignorant in your eyes, then so be it.

You'll note, if you read my post again, that the "flagrantly ignorant" comment was with respect to those that clearly have no clue how the speaker is appointed. It was a separate remark to those who have (incorrectly) labelled him a Nazi or Etonian.

stoneyburn hibs
25-09-2019, 04:29 PM
You'll note, if you read my post again, that the "flagrantly ignorant" comment was with respect to those that clearly have no clue how the speaker is appointed. It was a separate remark to those who have (incorrectly) labelled him a Nazi or Etonian.

Np

jonty
26-09-2019, 05:26 AM
twitter.com/BercowSweary Is funny in a childish way :greengrin

https://twitter.com/bercowsweary/status/1176912023042625538?s=21

ORDERRRRRRRRR! STATEMENT: THE **** SCARECROW.

Hibernia&Alba
21-10-2019, 03:14 PM
Gaun yersel wee man :greengrin

Jack Hackett
21-10-2019, 06:06 PM
Gaun yersel wee man :greengrin

Dealt with snidey Jenkins admirably. Gaun yersel indeed :aok: