Scotland v Belgium

[One Day Soon]

I just cannot endorse any Scotland player wearing a head/hair band at any time. Unacceptable.

[Sylar]

On the whole, with the occasional exception, Scotland can’t develop players.

Discuss.

Not much to discuss. It’s factually accurate!

[JimBHibees]

What an embarrassing dive from O’Donnell. He’s a ***** enough player without drawing any additional attention to himself.

:faf: :greengrin

[mayo hibee]

Bizarre question on a Hibs forum.

You've seen us lately, right?

If anything the international break should have been welcome respite from the crap we've been serving up.

[hfc rd]

Embarrassing dive from mertens


Looks like he was showing Stephen O’Donnell how it’s properly done

[Aldo]

In a Celtc shirt, so do i. He’s great at what he does. But I’ve yet to see him have a decent game in a Scotland shirt. Probably due to said surrounding players!

Would agree.

You cannot do your own job for doing the job of others!

We are so so poor


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[SquashedFrogg]

Biggest mistake Steve Clarke.

Fixed.

[One Day Soon]

McTominey forgot what legs do there.

[The 90+2]

Feel sorry for the poor guys that are there watching that ****. Meanwhile Russia stepped off the gas big time against the Borats. (Naughty naughty)

[The 90+2]

Fixed.

Any other suggestions?

[Diclonius]

We need organised, sustained protest against the SFA and a boycott of national team matches. But the problem is that it's the OF first and Scotland second and too many national team fans also subscribe to that policy.

[madhatter]

Fine, but look at Holland, its not like titles are shared out in that country either and they produce players, so whats the difference? Is the issue with us playing too many competitive matches as teenagers or something?

No. I think most football associations don’t pander to 1-2 teams as much as ours does. It’s not about sharing titles, it’s about making decisions that are best for national football rather than 2 teams. We’ve got a voting system but most teams won’t vote for something that has a financial cost to their own team’s ambitions. Goes back to TV money and, whether correct or not, teams outside the Old Firm should get a fairer share of raised money. That and grassroots.

[mayo hibee]

Russia currently 0-0 at home to Kazakhstan. Scotland made them look a lot better than they are at the weekend.

[JimBHibees]

I just cannot endorse any Scotland player wearing a head/hair band at any time. Unacceptable.

Who is? Mulgrew

[JimBHibees]

Russia currently 0-0 at home to Kazakhstan. Scotland made them look a lot better than they are at the weekend.

Definitely agree

[heretoday]

Scots getting the measure of Belgium now, I feel.

[SquashedFrogg]

You've seen us lately, right?

If anything the international break should have been welcome respite from the crap we've been serving up.

Yes, lot's. And I've seen us for years, thanks. And I'm looking forward to watching us next week. Appreciate you're not which is fair enough.

[green day]

Jonny Russell :cb

[Speedway]

Scots getting the measure of Belgium now, I feel.

Yep, they’re too big for us.

[One Day Soon]

We look much more comfortable for the 0-3 now.

[hfc rd]

Russia currently 0-0 at home to Kazakhstan. Scotland made them look a lot better than they are at the weekend.


Don’t think it makes much difference if they do drop 2 points tonight. They pretty much have automatic qualification wrapped up.

[SquashedFrogg]

Jonny Russell :cb

Can we not use 'unacceptable carbon footprint' as a legitimate excuse for him?

[Biggie]

Davie provan must have been some player in his day....what a slaver

[One Day Soon]

Provan there, claiming the Belgian could have volleyed the header. This when the ball reached him at waist height not on goal side. What a ****ing huge tit.

[JimBHibees]

Davie provan must have been some player in his day....what a slaver

He must have something on one of the sky bosses as he talks utter nonsense.

[hfc rd]

4-0

De Bruyne

[Sylar]

0-4...

Cracking finish.

[green day]

0-4...

Cracking finish.

Indeed

Although it was nice of O'Donnell to leave him all by himself though........................

[B.H.F.C]

Great finish but again it was just a token effort to try and block the shot.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i don't understand why we didn't refuse to come out for the 2nd 45, is it in the rules we have to

[OxoHibby]

Looks like damage limitation for the last 6 mins😀

[mayo hibee]

Russia score in the 89th minute.

[green day]

WTF are these radges on about with Ryan Christie?

[Bristolhibby]

Russia score in the 89th minute.

*******s

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm a part-time lip reader, i just saw de bruyne say to lukaku that this has been p@ss easy for an international

[Zazu62]

How bad is the atmosphere? The whole game has been like a training match

[madhatter]

WTF are these radges on about with Ryan Christie?

He’s rubbish. Runs about getting dragged out of position. If he wasn’t at Celtic he would be nowhere near getting called up, never mind being in starting line up.

[madhatter]

How bad is the atmosphere? The whole game has been like a training match

We’ve done Belgium a disservice then. Such a poor training match for them.

[Swedish hibee]

Is it a hunger thing with your players? No pride wearing the shirt? What is it?

[heretoday]

God I'm so pissed off with Scottish football.

[JohnMcM]

Aye, well, they Belginians might have a crap football team, but they have good beer.

[madhatter]

This will be when our best players stop turning up for Scotland - rejecting call ups is just round the corner.

Why we don’t just play our u21s I’ll never know. Why play Russell, Snodgrass and Mulgrew etc.? They’re finished.

[cabbageandribs1875]

joint heaviest defeat on home soil after losing by the same scoreline in 1973

[JimBHibees]

WTF are these radges on about with Ryan Christie?

Ran about a lot couple of nice touches that is about it. Similar to McGregor. Horrific defensive display. Don't think mctominay tracked a midfield runner in either game.

[mayo hibee]

On the whole, with the occasional exception, Scotland can’t develop players.

Discuss.

A smaller pool of players than in England so young players are not playing against as high a standard of player at their age level.

A development league that half the teams don't want to take part in.

A lopsided premier division where two teams hoover up most of the better players but then don't give them sufficient game time to develop.

Having said all that other countries face similar issues and still seem to consistently produce better players.

[JimBHibees]

joint heaviest defeat on home soil after losing by the same scoreline in 1973

Think we lost 5 0 to England in 73.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Think we lost 5 0 to England in 73.



blame the beeb :)




Posted at 21:2821:28
Post update

Scotland 0-4 Belgium

Scotland are heading for their joint heaviest defeat on home soil in a competitive match. The last time they lost by four goals in a competitive match at Hampden was in 1973.

[Hibbyradge]

Belgium -2 @ 16/5.

Easiest cash I ever made. Betting wise, anyway. 😄

[CorrieHibs]

Now losing 1-0

Would still rather have their defence and work ethic.

[JimBHibees]

blame the beeb :)




Posted at 21:2821:28
Post update

Scotland 0-4 Belgium

Scotland are heading for their joint heaviest defeat on home soil in a competitive match. The last time they lost by four goals in a competitive match at Hampden was in 1973.



They may be right for the first time the England game was a friendly for Scotland centenary.

[Feed McGraw]

joint heaviest defeat on home soil after losing by the same scoreline in 1973 Beaten 5-0 by England in centenary match in 1973 at Hampden is that the one you`re thinking of ?

[cabbageandribs1875]

They may be right for the first time the England game was a friendly for Scotland centenary.



well they weren't very friendly

[cabbageandribs1875]

Beaten 5-0 by England in centenary match in 1973 at Hampden is that the one you`re thinking of ?


it's the one jim was thinking of :)

[bingo70]

Absolutely loving what Kris Boyd is saying in the post match analysis.

Football in Scotland is a middle class game and it’s too passive. Absolutely spot on.

[mayo hibee]

Kris Boyd going on a fair old rant on Sky just now

[Hiber-nation]

He’s rubbish. Runs about getting dragged out of position. If he wasn’t at Celtic he would be nowhere near getting called up, never mind being in starting line up.

Absolute nonsense. He's been the best player in the league this season and was the only one to get pass marks tonight.

[The 90+2]

Belgium -2 @ 16/5.

Easiest cash I ever made. Betting wise, anyway. 😄

Hell yeah 👍

[JimBHibees]

well they weren't very friendly

:greengrin

[bingo70]

Kris Boyd going on a fair old rant on Sky just now

It’s brilliant.

[cabbageandribs1875]

boydy right, it's only going to get worse....

[hfc rd]

Gutted I missed that rant by Kris Boyd.

Anyone got a link to it?

[lord bunberry]

Gutted I missed that rant by Kris Boyd.

Anyone got a link to it?
He’s not finished yet.

[One Day Soon]

It's a quality contribution from Boyd.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i've turned over, don't want to watch the 30 mins highlights of all the goals getting repeated 8 times

[WeeRussell]

Absolutely loving what Kris Boyd is saying in the post match analysis.

Football in Scotland is a middle class game and it’s too passive. Absolutely spot on.

You don’t have to be working class to be aggressive. However I think Boyd had a couple of decent points to make, he’s just not great at getting them across amongst all the slavering.

[Feed McGraw]

it's the one jim was thinking of :) Horrible match that one - for the centenary too ! "Competitive "the key word missing from the post I quoted :wink:. Wonder who, if anyone, beat us 4-0 in a competitive match at home that year ? Never trust the beeb with stuff like that. :greengrin

[The Harp Awakes]

How bad is the atmosphere? The whole game has been like a training match

A masterclass by the SFA continuing with Hampden. Hard to think of a decision they have got right in 20 years.

[lord bunberry]

You don’t have to be working class to be aggressive. However I think Boyd had a couple of decent points to make, he’s just not great at getting them across amongst all the slavering.
I agree, he’s trying to make a very important point that it’s far too expensive for young kids to be able to play at boys club level. People who struggle to make ends meet aren’t going to be able to afford the £40-£50 a month to send their child to a boys club to play football. When you add in the cost of boots, strips and everything else that goes with it, it means a section of our society who may have the talent are being missed out on.

[ancient hibee]

Horrible match that one - for the centenary too ! "Competitive "the key word missing from the post I quoted :wink:. Wonder who, if anyone, beat us 4-0 in a competitive match at home that year ? Never trust the beeb with stuff like that. :greengrin

And it was Willie Ormond’s first as manager and he got pelters and it didn’t stop us going to the World Cup the following year with an excellent team unlucky not to go further.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Horrible match that one - for the centenary too ! "Competitive "the key word missing from the post I quoted :wink:. Wonder who, if anyone, beat us 4-0 in a competitive match at home that year ? Never trust the beeb with stuff like that. :greengrin


i did a quick google earlier and didn't see any hammerings at home in a competitive game that year

[WeeRussell]

I agree, he’s trying to make a very important point that it’s far too expensive for young kids to be able to play at boys club level. People who struggle to make ends meet aren’t going to be able to afford the £40-£50 a month to send their child to a boys club to play football. When you add in the cost of boots, strips and everything else that goes with it, it means a section of our society who may have the talent are being missed out on.

You put it much better 👍

[green day]

A masterclass by the SFA continuing with Hampden. Hard to think of a decision they have got right in 20 years.

They took the bribe from that stupid weegie that owns a refrigeration company because he "couldn't stand to see Scotland play in Edinburgh".

When, in fact we should play in Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Dundee, wherever is appropriate. And yes, sometimes Hampden.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Horrible match that one - for the centenary too ! "Competitive "the key word missing from the post I quoted <img src="images/smilies/winky.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" smilieid="270" class="inlineimg">. Wonder who, if anyone, beat us 4-0 in a competitive match at home that year ? Never trust the beeb with stuff like that. <img src="images/smilies/greengrin2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="greengrin" smilieid="121" class="inlineimg"><br><br><br>i did a quick google earlier and didn't see any hammerings at home in a competitive game that year<br>
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[Feed McGraw]

i did a quick google earlier and didn't see any hammerings at home in a competitive game that year Yeah, didn`t think so, as I said the beeb causing confusion as usual. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Horrible match that one - for the centenary too ! "Competitive "the key word missing from the post I quoted :wink:. Wonder who, if anyone, beat us 4-0 in a competitive match at home that year ? Never trust the beeb with stuff like that. :greengrin





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we did manage to lose at home to norn ireland though

[truehibernian]

We've not had any decent centre backs since the 80's and early 90's and it's a position that is crucial at any level but certainly at international (top) level. Coaches do not pinpoint this area in Scotland at younger age groups (early enough) and we should be doing our utmost to do so - I've been banging on about it for years. We don't identify them and coach the position into them.

The days of when we had McQueen, Miller, McLeish, Gillespie, Hansen, Narey, Hegarty, Levein (ssshhhhhh), and Hendry are a sad sad thing of the past. We are playing full backs in this area - at international level - which is laughable. Mind you, so is playing Robert Snodgrass who runs like he is in quicksand and has done for years !!

[Feed McGraw]

And it was Willie Ormond’s first as manager and he got pelters and it didn’t stop us going to the World Cup the following year with an excellent team unlucky not to go further. It was a freak result really. Scotland were an excellent team. An amazing night later in the year against the Czechs.

[ancient hibee]

It was a freak result really. Scotland were an excellent team. An amazing night later in the year against the Czechs.

It certainly was.

[lord bunberry]

‘
We've not had any decent centre backs since the 80's and early 90's and it's a position that is crucial at any level but certainly at international (top) level. Coaches do not pinpoint this area in Scotland at younger age groups (early enough) and we should be doing our utmost to do so - I've been banging on about it for years. We don't identify them and coach the position into them.

The days of when we had McQueen, Miller, McLeish, Gillespie, Hansen, Narey, Hegarty, Levein (ssshhhhhh), and Hendry are a sad sad thing of the past. We are playing full backs in this area - at international level - which is laughable. Mind you, so is playing Robert Snodgrass who runs like he is in quicksand and has done for years !!
Boyd was saying very much the same there. We don’t produce defenders that are defenders first and foremost. There’s more to the game than defending if you’re a defender, but that has to be you’re strongest asset. I know he’s not Scottish, but Tavernier at the hun is a prime example of this, great going forward, pretty weak in defence. That’s fine at spfl level, but when you need to make the step up, you’ll be found out because you’ll be under far more scrutiny defensively. A while back I remember people being critical that our defenders couldn’t play football the way continental defenders could. We seem to have trained our defenders to be more versatile, forgetting that these continental defenders were also great at just defending.

[hibsbollah]

Amazing how Lukaku never gets credit for anything beyond strength and power. Exquisite hold up play and intelligent passing never mentioned by the commentary team.

[Diclonius]

So the big question now is: can we beat Bulgaria at Hampden, and then one of Norway or Serbia?

[Iain G]

So the big question now is: can we beat Bulgaria at Hampden, and then one of Norway or Serbia?

I think you know the answer to those questions!!

[Iain G]

Time to drop the older players and use the rest of this campaign to bed in the younger players. We have the makings of a good midfield and really need a fit Leigh Griffiths up front. Not sure how he fixes the problem at the back though...

[Bishop Hibee]

Lukaku, Mertens and De Bruyne gave a masterclass against an admittedly weak defence barring Robertson. No lack of effort from Scotland but the lack in quality was shocking. I watched Scotland through the 70s and went to my first game in 1981. This is the worst team in terms of comparative quality against their group rivals that I have ever seen. Abject failure by the SFA to implement the changes needed to keep up. Depressing.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I didn't bother watching, the result being a formality. We are nowhere near being competitive in qualification.

[Gloucester Hibs]

So the big question now is: can we beat Bulgaria at Hampden, and then one of Norway or Serbia?

Norway finished above Bulgaria in their nations league group. But I’ve seem them quoted as being potential opponents a few times. How does that work? Thought it’d be between Finland, Norway, and Serbia.

[Sir David Gray]

Norway finished above Bulgaria in their nations league group. But I’ve seem them quoted as being potential opponents a few times. How does that work? Thought it’d be between Finland, Norway, and Serbia.

Finland are possibly going to qualify automatically through the normal route so no need for them to be in the play offs.

[chippy]

Time to drop the older players and use the rest of this campaign to bed in the younger players. We have the makings of a good midfield and really need a fit Leigh Griffiths up front. Not sure how he fixes the problem at the back though...

Porteous

[Gloucester Hibs]

Finland are possibly going to qualify automatically through the normal route so no need for them to be in the play offs.

Cheers, hadn’t realised that.

[G B Young]

I bet if Clarke could turn the clock back he'd have stayed with Killie and kept himself very much in the frame for a more prestigious job down south. He must wonder what he was thinking of taking on the Scotland job as it's going to put a big blot on his CV.

There was a lot of clamour for Clarke to get the job but all it's proved is that it doesn't matter who the manager is when the quality of players at their disposal is light years behind the better teams.

[Liam6270]

100 quid on Belgium -2, easy money!

[madhatter]

Absolute nonsense. He's been the best player in the league this season and was the only one to get pass marks tonight.

Ryan Christie is not good enough. Best player in the league based on what? Goals? Didn't realise that playing in a squad that vastly overpowers virtually everything else in the league and scoring goals makes you best player in league. Think you need to show more than Christie does. De Bruyne shows what a best player in league type player needs to do - influence matches. Not score the 4th in a rout.

Dont even get me started on his first touch...

[B.H.F.C]

Lukaku, Mertens and De Bruyne gave a masterclass against an admittedly weak defence barring Robertson. No lack of effort from Scotland but the lack in quality was shocking. I watched Scotland through the 70s and went to my first game in 1981. This is the worst team in terms of comparative quality against their group rivals that I have ever seen. Abject failure by the SFA to implement the changes needed to keep up. Depressing.

I thought there was a lack of effort. Don’t know if it stems from lack of belief but nobody wanted to do the dirty side of the game.

Give De Bruyne time and his quality is obviously amazing but it was just a token effort to stop his cross for the second. Same with his shot for the fourth.

Watching De Bruyne, that’s proper effort. After the ball from the first minute to the last when it would be so easy for him to just stroll through the game if he wanted.

[dangermouse]

Put your money on a Scotland win. Its Argentina '78 all over again!

Oops! Hope nobody took my advice :rolleyes:

[Hibernia&Alba]

So the big question now is: can we beat Bulgaria at Hampden, and then one of Norway or Serbia?

Naw

[JimBHibees]

Finland are possibly going to qualify automatically through the normal route so no need for them to be in the play offs.

Dont think Norway are miles away from qualifying either probably should have beat Sweden away at the weekend 1-1 but had a number of chances to win.

[JimBHibees]

I thought there was a lack of effort. Don’t know if it stems from lack of belief but nobody wanted to do the dirty side of the game.

Give De Bruyne time and his quality is obviously amazing but it was just a token effort to stop his cross for the second. Same with his shot for the fourth.

Watching De Bruyne, that’s proper effort. After the ball from the first minute to the last when it would be so easy for him to just stroll through the game if he wanted.

Definite lack of competitiveness and passion, chasing shadows at times and bit like Hibs midfielders just let players run off them creating huge issues for the defence. Agree about the De Bruyne point every man knows he can deliver world class crosses and passes the time we gave him was criminal at times.

[Smartie]

I think you know the answer to those questions!!

The answer is "of course we can".

We need to fix some pretty awful parts of our team and build on the positives we already have. The good news is that some of our consistent failures will be running out of opportunities.

It's not been a good few days, but we're only a few wins away from qualifying for our first tournament in 22 years.

[Sir David Gray]

Dont think Norway are miles away from qualifying either probably should have beat Sweden away at the weekend 1-1 but had a number of chances to win.

They're still in with a shout but I think they'll miss out. They're currently 4th and still have Spain to play.

[Iain G]

The answer is "of course we can".

We need to fix some pretty awful parts of our team and build on the positives we already have. The good news is that some of our consistent failures will be running out of opportunities.

It's not been a good few days, but we're only a few wins away from qualifying for our first tournament in 22 years.

Steve Clarke quoted as saying he won't experiment when this is a chance to get the good younger players bedded in during competitive fixtures.

[ancient hibee]

Porteous

Kidding.