Hong Kong protests

[lord bunberry]

I fear we’re heading for another Tiananamen square style massacre. We think things are bad here for us, but the things we take for granted aren’t a given in places like China.

[Fife-Hibee]

I fear we’re heading for another Tiananamen square style massacre. We think things are bad here for us, but the things we take for granted aren’t a given in places like China.

If things keep going the way they are here. It's not going to look too dissimilar to Hong Kong here with soldiers on the streets.

[Sylar]

If things keep going the way they are here. It's not going to look too dissimilar to Hong Kong here with soldiers on the streets.

Clearly, I disagree with a lot of your posts on other topics, but I agree wholeheartedly with you here.

Come October, I think we could genuinely see civil unrest like we've not seen in quite some time in the UK. Especially when the reality of no-deal emerges.

Horrible time for Hong Kong and her citizens - I've got a friend who's supposed to be flying out to HK in 3 weeks. Safe to say he's already looking at other options.

[lord bunberry]

If things keep going the way they are here. It's not going to look too dissimilar to Hong Kong here with soldiers on the streets.
Possibly but the soldiers here won’t open fire and drive tanks over protesters. It’s tragic to me that people in other countries can’t even rely on basic human rights. I have very strong ideas on the direction this country should take, but I fully accept the views of others that disagree with my position. These people protesting in Hong Kong sadly have absolutely no chance of success as China will never allow its authority to be undermined.

[Fife-Hibee]

Possibly but the soldiers here won’t open fire and drive tanks over protesters. It’s tragic to me that people in other countries can’t even rely on basic human rights. I have very strong ideas on the direction this country should take, but I fully accept the views of others that disagree with my position. These people protesting in Hong Kong sadly have absolutely no chance of success as China will never allow its authority to be undermined.

I hope you're right. But soldiers will only do whatever they're ordered to do and we're living through bizarre times where complete crackpots are worming their way into powerful positions.

[lord bunberry]

I hope you're right. But soldiers will only do whatever they're ordered to do and we're living through bizarre times where complete crackpots are worming their way into powerful positions.
True but we’re miles away from soldiers shooting protesters in this country.

[Hibrandenburg]

True but we’re miles away from soldiers shooting protesters in this country.

You'd be surprised.

[Fife-Hibee]

True but we’re miles away from soldiers shooting protesters in this country.

True, but only several years ago we were miles away from a Trump president, a Boris PM and a hard brexit. :wink:

[Haymaker]

Clearly, I disagree with a lot of your posts on other topics, but I agree wholeheartedly with you here.

Come October, I think we could genuinely see civil unrest like we've not seen in quite some time in the UK. Especially when the reality of no-deal emerges.

Horrible time for Hong Kong and her citizens - I've got a friend who's supposed to be flying out to HK in 3 weeks. Safe to say he's already looking at other options.

This.

I also dread November 2020 in this country.

[Haymaker]

You'd be surprised.

I'm thinking miners strike, poll tax riots...

No gun shots but...

[CloudSquall]

I'd be surprised if we get anything more than people having a moan and some upper middle class "hoorah Henry" type students having a protest in the aftermath of Brexit.

I was shocked by the videos coming out of Hong Kong a couple of weeks ago showing gangs of men (supposedly triads) kicking the crap out of people in the metro stations and on the streets and the police just locked themselves into their stations.

Military vehicles now lining up on the border with HK ready to move in if needed.

Kicked off a bit yesterday as protesters in the airport "seized" a man who was a report for the mainland state newspaper, getting more violent as each day passes.

[lapsedhibee]

I also dread November 2020 in this country.

Why? Anniversary celebrations, dangerous bonfires made of pallets stacked too high? :dunno:

[Hibee87]

Why? Anniversary celebrations, dangerous bonfires made of pallets stacked too high? :dunno:

Does that poster not live in America, and is that not when the next election for president is?

[lapsedhibee]

Does that poster not live in America, and is that not when the next election for president is?

Ah, of course. Trouble if Trump doesn't get re-elected, or if he does?

[Smartie]

True but we’re miles away from soldiers shooting protesters in this country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

My biggest concern regarding Brexit is what it might have in store for Northern Ireland.

It has become apparent in recent years just how much of an achievement the good Friday agreement was and great credit must go to all of those who managed to get themselves from firmly entrenched positions into one where this agreement was possible.

It is tragic that it might be torn up off the back of an act of myopic English Nationalism.

[Cataplana]

I'm thinking miners strike, poll tax riots...

No gun shots but...

Sunday, bloody Sunday?

[Hibbyradge]

I'd be surprised if we get anything more than people having a moan and some upper middle class "hoorah Henry" type students having a protest in the aftermath of Brexit.


Did you ever see the footage of the fights over the last cheap TV on Black Friday?

And that's an isolated incident over a luxury item.

Do you remember the "London riots" in 2011?

More extensive civil disobedience, but again, mainly restricted to one specific demographic.

Imagine what empty shelves in supermarkets across the UK will do to usually ordinary, peaceful people, particularly when group think and mass hysteria starts to set in.

I think we'll be very lucky not to see deaths

[CloudSquall]

Did you ever see the footage of the fights over the last cheap TV on Black Friday?

And that's an isolated incident over a luxury item.

Do you remember the "London riots" in 2011?

More extensive civil disobedience, but again, mainly restricted to one specific demographic.

Imagine what empty shelves in supermarkets across the UK will do to usually ordinary, peaceful people, particularly when group think and mass hysteria starts to set in.

I think we'll be very lucky not to see deaths

Spare me the dramatics, it's not 28 Days later.

[RyeSloan]

Did you ever see the footage of the fights over the last cheap TV on Black Friday?

And that's an isolated incident over a luxury item.

Do you remember the "London riots" in 2011?

More extensive civil disobedience, but again, mainly restricted to one specific demographic.

Imagine what empty shelves in supermarkets across the UK will do to usually ordinary, peaceful people, particularly when group think and mass hysteria starts to set in.

I think we'll be very lucky not to see deaths

A HK thread that’s turned into a Brexit thread!

Anyway I suppose it all depends on just how likely empty supermarket shelves are going to be on 1 November...

[lapsedhibee]

Anyway I suppose it all depends on just how likely empty supermarket shelves are going to be on 1 November...

If there's no bread on the shelves Widdecombe'll be on the front page of the Telegraph suggesting we eat cake. That didn't really work for the French a couple centuries back but only because they didn't have Bulldog Spirit.

[Hibbyradge]

Spare me the dramatics, it's not 28 Days later.

Dramatics?

Retailers have been warning about empty shelves for months.

The government is preparing the army for the aftermath of no deal. They expect civil unrest.

You and I may just shrug our shoulders and put up with it, but folk who are already on the bread line and using food banks etc, may not react in such a civilised manner.

Add to that the groups in this country who are desperate for civil disobedience and you've got all the ingredients for something spectacular.

[Hibbyradge]

If there's no bread on the shelves Widdecombe'll be on the front page of the Telegraph suggesting we eat cake. That didn't really work for the French a couple centuries back but only because they didn't have Bulldog Spirit.

Or Chernobyl Vodka.

[Fife-Hibee]

Dramatics?

Retailers have been warning about empty shelves for months.

The government is preparing the army for the aftermath of no deal. They expect civil unrest.

You and I may just shrug our shoulders and put up with it, but folk who are already on the bread line and using food banks etc, may not react in such a civilised manner.

Add to that the groups in this country who are desperate for civil disobedience and you've got all the ingredients for something spectacular.

What's going on? I actually agree with you for once. :paranoid:

[Hibbyradge]

What's going on? I actually agree with you for once. :paranoid:

No you don't. You disagree completely.

Prove me wrong.

[Fife-Hibee]

No you don't. You disagree completely.

Prove me wrong.

Don't need to. Your validation isn't necessary. :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

Don't need to. Your validation isn't necessary. :aok:

Yes it is.

This is fun. Now I understand why you post such drivel. :thumbsup:

[Pretty Boy]

Is there not an ongoing campaign, led by members of the British public, to keep a British soldier accused of opening fire on British civilians out of the courtroom? A campaign supported by another ex soldier who has previous for shooting a civilian, who had their back turned, in the spine.

There was certainly evidence of said campaign at Ibrox on Sunday.

[Fife-Hibee]

Is there not an ongoing campaign, led by members of the British public, to keep a British soldier accused of opening fire on British civilians out of the courtroom? A campaign supported by another ex soldier who has previous for shooting a civilian, who had their back turned, in the spine.

There was certainly evidence of said campaign at Ibrox on Sunday.

All of my British unionist/nationalist friends are adamant that he was "just following orders" and shouldn't be prosecuted. Those same friends however were calling for blood when a former Nazi was taken to court to answer for war crimes.

[Haymaker]

Ah, of course. Trouble if Trump doesn't get re-elected, or if he does?

If he doesn't get reelected there will be unrest. I'm convinced of that.

Same if he were to be impeached.

His base won't accept/believe the results.

[Haymaker]

Sunday, bloody Sunday?

Of course, how could I forget that.

[Cataplana]

Of course, how could I forget that.

Don't worry mate, I've been trying to forget U2 for years. Think of it as a blessing.

[GreenLake]

Hotting up a bit. (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29624/usaf-mc-130j-spec-ops-transport-flies-through-taiwan-strait-with-u-s-spy-plane-near-by)